MLB Exhibition Games 2013 Thread

[Hanso Amore]

Aramis Ramirez last Year

.300 .360 .540

27 HR 105 RBI

171 Runs scored

And his defensive metrics are similar.

COME ON, you.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't think Aramis Ramirez scored 171 runs last year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't really have anything else to add to this conversation.

I do like David Wright though and would love to have him on my team.

[Droford]

I don't think Aramis Ramirez scored 171 runs last year.

Had 172 last two seasons combined..

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah I totally was looking at hits. 92 runs scored.

I was fucking blown away at first. Then the reality of my retardation set it.

[Hanso Amore]

The columns are so thin! its hard to tell it all apart.

[Hanso Amore]

I don't really have anything else to add to this conversation.

I do like David Wright though and would love to have him on my team.

Sure, so would I. Not at 20 million per for 7 years.

Mets should have dealt him at the deadline and they could have really got the rebuilding process going. Now they are going to overpay him to play on shitty teams and by the time they have a chance to contend again he will well past his prime.

[Evil Vito]

Hanso: only person in the world who would rather have Martin Prado and Will Middlebrooks over David Wright.

[Evil Vito]

As for the HOF, I think Bagwell finally get in. He should have been a first ballot guy, but at least he'll go in with Biggio (who is a lock).

Really hoping Piazza is a first ballot guy too...that being said if Bagwell had to wait 2 years I think Piazza will too. Any steroid era player will pay the price even if they've never been outright implicated.

[The Condor]

Bagwell gets the shaft, I believe, due to the glut of good first baseman over the past 20 years. Hell, Mark Grace had more hits than anyone else in the 90's and he's maybe 15th best over that span. The position is, and always has been stacked and Bagwell is just a victim of that, but should be held in higher esteem because others (Palmeiro, McGwire) proved themselves to be frauds.

[Hanso Amore]

Bagwell is almost guilty by association. Its like the voters look at anyone from that period, guilty or not, with that same disdain. Since he played with Cammaniti, and during the Juice era, surely he was juicing.

Bagwell was one of my favorites as a kid, really hope he will go in.

[Hanso Amore]

As for the HOF, I think Bagwell finally get in. He should have been a first ballot guy, but at least he'll go in with Biggio (who is a lock).

Really hoping Piazza is a first ballot guy too...that being said if Bagwell had to wait 2 years I think Piazza will too. Any steroid era player will pay the price even if they've never been outright implicated.

I would rather have Martin Prado and 15 Million dollars than Wright.

Or Middlebrooks and 20 million.

[Hanso Amore]

Vito: The only guy in the world who breaks down statistics on the 3rd Catcher on a last place team.

[The Condor]

It really is bizarre to consider that Clemens, Bonds and Sosa will be shut out but Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza and Morris will go in over them. They were all excellent players, but watching baseball from the early nineties through mid-2000's you had a sense that Bonds and Clemens were the best position player and pitcher since at least 1970. But the others (insofar as we know) did it the "right" way.

[Damian Rey]

Wright is as good as any of the game's best third baseman. He ranked at the top in defensive runs and uzr. 20 hr and 40 doubles. There isn't one third baseman who is miles better than him. The best at the position are making $16 mil. Wright's offensive numbers are up there with the best , he should paid like them. How can he not be considered elite when his numbers rank with the best third baseman in the game?

[Hanso Amore]

Because I said so.

[The Condor]

Because I said so.

Thats good enough for me.

[Damian Rey]

Well then...

[Evil Vito]

Aaaaaand Hanso realizes he's wrong. Great success.

[Hanso Amore]

I have nearly two pages of my explanation that he is not elite. I dont feel the need to post them again. read the thread. I stand by it.

Wright is a better than average 3B. he isnt top 5 at this point in his career. His best years have gone by. He is on a shitty team. He is not a franchise player, and should not be paid like one.

This will be just another inept move by the mets.

[Hanso Amore]

David Freese is superior to Wright in every way right now.

He isnt going to make 140 million. And if he did people would laugh at it. Its team and market that created this David Wright monster.

[The Condor]

Market is a big deal when it comes to a players exposure and fans perception of him. For example, National League Edgar Renteria vs. Boston savior-turned-immediate goat Edgar Renteria. A good player with a resume has a subpar year in a major market that becomes a huge story and they release him. He later becomes an All-Star in Atlanta and becomes 2010 World Series MVP.

[ClockShot]

Andy Pettitte is offically back with the Yankees. 1-year, $12 mil. Eli Whiteside got DFA'd to make room.

Braves sign B.J. Upton. 5-year deal, dollar amount hasn't been disclosed yet.

Mariners offically release Chone Figgins today.

Angels sign Ryan Madson. 1-year, $3.5 mil.

[Damian Rey]

Freese
.293/.372/.467-2012
.296/.363/.446-career

Wright
.306/.391/.492-2012
.301/.381/.506-career

Both are 29. How is Freese better here? Youre entitled to have your opinion, Hanso. But you're offered zero proof to back up your statements.

Clubhouse Confidential is breaking Wright down beautifully right now.

[Emperor Smeat]

It really is bizarre to consider that Clemens, Bonds and Sosa will be shut out but Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza and Morris will go in over them. They were all excellent players, but watching baseball from the early nineties through mid-2000's you had a sense that Bonds and Clemens were the best position player and pitcher since at least 1970. But the others (insofar as we know) did it the "right" way.

I think out of all the juicers or supposed juicers, Bonds would have the best shot although after getting "punished" for a few years by the voters.

His stats and career before the supposed juicing years (2000-2002?) was already Hall of Fame potential and most believe his juicing was due to jealousy from all the attention McGwire and Sosa got from their HR race.

[Damian Rey]

Bonds, imo, was a legit HOF'r before the juice. He was a 5 tool player in his pre juice days.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Damian Rey again.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Braves sign BJ Upton. 5 years, somewhere between $70-75 million. Official details not out yet.</font>

[Damian Rey]

Vito, you sweet man, you.

[screech]

David Freese is superior to Wright in every way right now.


Lol

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Angels sign Ryan Madson. 1-year, $3.5 mil.


UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH

fuck that's cheap

[screech]

<font color=goldenrod>Braves sign BJ Upton. 5 years, somewhere between $70-75 million. Official details not out yet.</font>

So where does Bourn go now?

[Damian Rey]

I'm going to say Philly. I know the Nats are interested in Bourne, but I don't think they're going to get into a bidding war and the Phillies are in need of some upgrades.

[ClockShot]

UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH

fuck that's cheap

He had Tommy John surgery. That was the factor.

[ClockShot]

Royals are "calling everyone" to try find takers for Bruce Chen and Luke Hochevar. I guess Dayton Moore wants rotation help now and is trying to free up cash.

Any *coughsuckerscough* takers? Anyone?

[Damian Rey]

This is what happens when you give.contacts to mediocre players. The contract that's hurting them is the Francouer deal. That guy sucks.

[Hanso Amore]

Freese
.293/.372/.467-2012
.296/.363/.446-career

Wright
.306/.391/.492-2012
.301/.381/.506-career

Both are 29. How is Freese better here? Youre entitled to have your opinion, Hanso. But you're offered zero proof to back up your statements.

Clubhouse Confidential is breaking Wright down beautifully right now.

Are those the only stats that matter friend? Why don't you post the other important stats that freeze wins in.

[Damian Rey]

Those three stats are the most telling of any offensive numbers. What's there to argue? Wright collects base his at higher percentage, makes less outs, and hits for far more power. To say Freese is better "in every way" is an asinine statement based solely on an uninformed opinion rather than fact.

Why don't you post "more important" stats. I'm not the one pulling claims out of my ass without bothering to do a little research. And before you do, don't even bother throwing RBI at me. Context dependant stat that cannot be influenced by the hitter himself.

[DaveWadding]

David Freese wills his teammates to get on base in front of him. David Wright cant do that because the Mets suck.

[Damian Rey]

Lol

[Droford]

Just realized how ironic Danny Valencia playing for the orioles will be when they wear their orange jerseys

[Ermaximus]

So where does Bourn go now?

Washington. :(

[RoXer]

Mariners offically release Chone Figgins today.


:)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He had Tommy John surgery. That was the factor.

I KNOW THAT ALREADY HE WAS ON THE REDS AND NEVER PITCHED FOR THEM WHICH IS WHY I'M FRUSTRATED!!!!!!¡!

[ClockShot]

<TABLE id=wp-table-reloaded-id-38-no-1 class="wp-table-reloaded wp-table-reloaded-id-38"><THEAD><TR class="row-1 odd"><TH class=column-1>Name</TH><TH class=column-2>2012
votes

</TH><TH class=column-3>Percent</TH><TH class=column-4>Yrs on
ballot

</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="row-2 even"><TD class=column-1>Sandy Alomar Jr.</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-3 odd"><TD class=column-1>Jeff Bagwell</TD><TD class=column-2>321</TD><TD class=column-3>56.0%</TD><TD class=column-4>2</TD></TR><TR class="row-4 even"><TD class=column-1>Craig Biggio</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-5 odd"><TD class=column-1>Barry Bonds</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-6 even"><TD class=column-1>Jeff Cirillo</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-7 odd"><TD class=column-1>Royce Clayton</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-8 even"><TD class=column-1>Roger Clemens</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-9 odd"><TD class=column-1>Jeff Conine</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-10 even"><TD class=column-1>Steve Finley</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-11 odd"><TD class=column-1>Julio Franco</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-12 even"><TD class=column-1>Shawn Green</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-13 odd"><TD class=column-1>Roberto Hernandez</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-14 even"><TD class=column-1>Ryan Klesko</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-15 odd"><TD class=column-1>Kenny Lofton</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-16 even"><TD class=column-1>Edgar Martinez</TD><TD class=column-2>209</TD><TD class=column-3>36.5%</TD><TD class=column-4>3</TD></TR><TR class="row-17 odd"><TD class=column-1>Don Mattingly</TD><TD class=column-2>102</TD><TD class=column-3>17.8%</TD><TD class=column-4>12</TD></TR><TR class="row-18 even"><TD class=column-1>Fred McGriff</TD><TD class=column-2>137</TD><TD class=column-3>23.9%</TD><TD class=column-4>3</TD></TR><TR class="row-19 odd"><TD class=column-1>Mark McGwire</TD><TD class=column-2>112</TD><TD class=column-3>19.5%</TD><TD class=column-4>6</TD></TR><TR class="row-20 even"><TD class=column-1>Jose Mesa</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-21 odd"><TD class=column-1>Jack Morris</TD><TD class=column-2>382</TD><TD class=column-3>66.7%</TD><TD class=column-4>13</TD></TR><TR class="row-22 even"><TD class=column-1>Dale Murphy</TD><TD class=column-2>83</TD><TD class=column-3>14.5%</TD><TD class=column-4>14</TD></TR><TR class="row-23 odd"><TD class=column-1>Rafael Palmeiro</TD><TD class=column-2>72</TD><TD class=column-3>12.6%</TD><TD class=column-4>2</TD></TR><TR class="row-24 even"><TD class=column-1>Mike Piazza</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-25 odd"><TD class=column-1>Tim Raines</TD><TD class=column-2>279</TD><TD class=column-3>48.7%</TD><TD class=column-4>5</TD></TR><TR class="row-26 even"><TD class=column-1>Reggie Sanders</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-27 odd"><TD class=column-1>Curt Schilling</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-28 even"><TD class=column-1>Aaron Sele</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-29 odd"><TD class=column-1>Lee Smith</TD><TD class=column-2>290</TD><TD class=column-3>50.6%</TD><TD class=column-4>10</TD></TR><TR class="row-30 even"><TD class=column-1>Sammy Sosa</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-31 odd"><TD class=column-1>Mike Stanton</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-32 even"><TD class=column-1>Alan Trammell</TD><TD class=column-2>211</TD><TD class=column-3>36.8%</TD><TD class=column-4>11</TD></TR><TR class="row-33 odd"><TD class=column-1>Larry Walker</TD><TD class=column-2>131</TD><TD class=column-3>22.9%</TD><TD class=column-4>2</TD></TR><TR class="row-34 even"><TD class=column-1>Todd Walker</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-35 odd"><TD class=column-1>David Wells</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-36 even"><TD class=column-1>Rondell White</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-37 odd"><TD class=column-1>Bernie Williams</TD><TD class=column-2>55</TD><TD class=column-3>9.6%</TD><TD class=column-4>1</TD></TR><TR class="row-38 even"><TD class=column-1>Woody Williams</TD><TD class=column-2></TD><TD class=column-3></TD><TD class=column-4></TD></TR><TR class="row-39 odd"><TD class="column-1 colspan-4" colSpan=4><CENTER>Note: 75% required for enshrinement.
Results announced Jan. 9, 2013.</CENTER>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Here's the ballot for this year's Hall of Fame voting. As stated on the bottom you need 75% of the vote to get in. But you also got 15 years/tries to get in. Dale Murphy and Jack Morris' time is running out, I think they might make it in on this.

Any other thoughts?

[Triple Naitch]

No way Dale Murphy goes from 15 to 75 percent.

[RP]

The Cubs need to make a move for a SP. Going into next season with Scott Feldman and Travis Wood in the rotation, is not acceptable.

[The Condor]

I know DH's are frowned upon by purists, but Paul Molitor is in and because of that I am all in for Edgar Martinez to get in, porbably not for a few years, but he was one of the greatest hitters I've ever seen. He was Griffey and A-Rod's protection, and an RBI machine.

[Damian Rey]

Edgar was a monster. It should be noted he was held down in the minors longer than he should have been.

How Fred McGriff isn't in yet is mind boggling. One of the best first baseman in his era. Just shy of 500 homeruns. If Bagwell gets in, Crime Dog should, too.

[Damian Rey]

MLBTR is reporting the Royals and Mets have discussed RA Dickey. If Myers is involved, I doubt we don't Sandy and co don't pull the trigger.

[Evil Vito]

Royals right now are saying they won't trade Salvador Perez or Wil Myers (backtracking on what was reported last week). But it's probably just posturing.

I'd hate to trade Dickey, but Myers is too good to pass up.

[Innovator]

Yankees will offer Hughes and a Jeter gift basket for Dickey

[Damian Rey]

If the Mets include somebody, I don't know who, and maybe take on a crappy contract/player (Francouer, Hochevar, Chen, etc.), and throw money the Royals' way, the deal could get done. The Mets have the leverage here because the Royals have been painted as desperate.

[DaveWadding]

Wright/Dickey for Myers, Perez, Moustakas and Odorizzi

[Splaya]

Royals are "calling everyone" to try find takers for Bruce Chen and Luke Hochevar. I guess Dayton Moore wants rotation help now and is trying to free up cash.

Any *coughsuckerscough* takers? Anyone?


Good. Send Chen to the National League. Guy was a Tiger Killer this season

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Twins trade OF Denard Span to the Nationals for RHP Alex Meyer.</font>

[Evil Vito]

If the Mets include somebody, I don't know who, and maybe take on a crappy contract/player (Francouer, Hochevar, Chen, etc.), and throw money the Royals' way, the deal could get done. The Mets have the leverage here because the Royals have been painted as desperate.

<font color=goldenrod>I could deal with taking on Chen for a year. Only making $4.5 million this year, still less than what Dickey is making. Johan-Harvey-Niese-Chen-Gee is a pretty good rotation. A step down from Dickey-Johan-Harvey-Niese-Gee, but still pretty good. Not to mention Zack Wheeler probably up at some point during the summer.

But Myers is exactly the kind of player the Mets should be jumping at. Young, under team control for 6 years at a low salary, and 30 HR potential.

I have my doubts the Royals end up pulling the trigger. Getting rid of Myers would be stupid.</font>

[The Condor]

Speaking of the Mets and young players, what ever happened to Fernando Martinez? He was supposed to be the shit before he face planted in CF. come to think of it Lastings Milledge was supposed to be the shit too.

[ClockShot]

Mariano is back with the Yankees. 1-year, $10 mil.

I'm happy. Cashman gettin' it done this week.

[Innovator]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexiiiiiiiiiiiiiit liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[ClockShot]

Russell Martin to the Pirates. 2-years, $17 mil.

Fuck. So either Romine is gonna get put on a rocket to the big leagues or we're going bargain bin hunting for a catcher. I wonder if Rod Barajas still got something in the tank?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Luckily you got that Montero kid stirring in the minors. He's gonna be huge.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

:'(

[Triple Naitch]

Ole Jorge will get a call tomorrow.

[The Condor]

I really like Cervelli, scrappy guy who just has intangibles and a good brain behind the plate. However, his lack of power will not endear him to the NYY brass and he will be relegated to AAA purgatory.

[Skippord]

http://deadspin.com/5964521/report-david-wright-mets-reach-agreement-on-largest-contract-in-team-history

David Wright shall be a Met until the end of time, poor son of a bitch

[Damian Rey]

$17 mil/year on the deal, too. No need for a no trade clause since his 10/5 rights kick in soon. This must have Vito doing back flips. He'll be 37 at the end of the deal. So, assuming he stays healthy and puts in at least 140 games/year, and his career slash line status in tact, the only rough years will be age 36 &37. The Mets did good here, imo.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

So ecstatic. Love Wright so much. I fully expected the front office to cock this up, but I'm glad they had the sense to lock up the best everyday player in their history for basically the rest of his career.

I've never gotten a Mets jersey (only player shirts), and Wright seemed like the easy choice. I was holding off on getting one until a deal was done to ensure he wasn't going to walk. Looks like my mind is made up now.</font> :cool:

[Innovator]

Lose our catcher to FA, brb, gotta rappel down a building in Stamford.

[RP]

For the love of God, please dont tender Ian Stewart. Cut the rope! CUT THAT ROPE!

[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

So ecstatic. Love Wright so much. I fully expected the front office to cock this up, but I'm glad they had the sense to lock up the best everyday player in their history for basically the rest of his career.

I've never gotten a Mets jersey (only player shirts), and Wright seemed like the easy choice. I was holding off on getting one until a deal was done to ensure he wasn't going to walk. Looks like my mind is made up now.</font> :cool:

I would be thrilled too, if my shitty loser team signed big money to a guy that will be on the downside of his career by the time they can contend. Meanwhile they continue to make shitty moves that have relegated them to a joke of a major market team.

DIfference between the Mets and Pirates? David Wright

[Hanso Amore]

I really like Cervelli, scrappy guy who just has intangibles and a good brain behind the plate. However, his lack of power will not endear him to the NYY brass and he will be relegated to AAA purgatory.

I really liked him 3 years ago. Feel like the Bronx can lose a few dingers from the C position and be OK. I think he has yet to peak, is a solid Defensive catcher and could be a 270 average guy batting 8th or 9th.

[Triple Naitch]

Hanso, who would you rather have? David Wright until he's 37 or A-Rod for eternity?

[Frank Drebin]

Damn.....at least the pirates have young talent.

[Hanso Amore]

Hanso, who would you rather have? David Wright until he's 37 or A-Rod for eternity?

Answer - None of the above.

A Rod is possibly the worst contract ever signed. He will retire after this year, I hope.

[Hanso Amore]

Damn.....at least the pirates have young talent.

For now. MicCutchen will be in a major market within 3 years

[The Condor]

I think Cutch signed a deal with the Pirates longer than 3 years left. Could be wrong,

[Frank Drebin]

6 years/$51.5M (2012-17), plus 2018 club option

[Hanso Amore]

Oh he did. But they will trade him within 3 years. Mark it. It is their cycle. See Kendall, Bay etc.

They will trade Cutch for a bounty.

[Triple Naitch]

And Kendall and Bay have been so terrific since they left. Maybe the Pirates were making smart trades?

[Hanso Amore]

Did I say it would be a bad move? they will hopefully get value.

Either way, didnt lead to success. Dont be so defensive.

[Innovator]

Cervelli doesn't hit for power, but he had a streak a couple years ago where he was an RBI machine. If a guy was in scoring position, Cervelli would get a hit. Yankees need guys who aren't home run happy.

[Triple Naitch]

Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden. Hot damn.

[Dragon]

Maybe I'm missing something but that seems like a terrible trade for the Braves.

[Triple Naitch]

Hanson has regressed over the past couple of years, but I think he can get back somewhat to what he was.

[Dragon]

Yeah, even with his diminished stuff I would have thought he could get a better return than a reliever. Especially considering bullpen help seems to be the last thing the Braves need.

[RP]

Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden. Hot damn.

wow. Pulling the plug on Tommy Hanson early??

[RP]

Where the fuck is Theo right now? Hey Theo you fucking bum. How about you go get Tommy Hanson? What the fuck already. I swear to fuck if he resigns Ian Stewart, I'm going to shit in my own mouth.

[Adder]

That Hanson trade makes me think the Angels are getting nervous about not being able to sign Greinke

[ClockShot]

That Hanson trade makes me think the Angels are getting nervous about not being able to sign Greinke

This. Or they're trying to give Greinke a reason to stay in Angelville instead of running across town to Dodgerland.

[Frank Drebin]

Oh he did. But they will trade him within 3 years. Mark it. It is their cycle. See Kendall, Bay etc.

They will trade Cutch for a bounty.
Don't forget Nate mcclouth. Thought it was hilarious when the town went up in arms over thatch trade. Too bad the didn't get shit for him.

[Skippord]

That Hanson trade makes me think the Angels are getting nervous about not being able to sign Greinke
needed a replacement for Haren/Santana anyway

[Frank Drebin]

Hanson has regressed over the past couple of years, but I think he can get back somewhat to what he was.

So now they have haren and Hanson? Which one is which they both sucked last year.?

[Frank Drebin]

For the love of God, please dont tender Ian Stewart. Cut the rope! CUT THAT ROPE!

They don't have to. It's not like they are competing for anything.

[Frank Drebin]

Where the fuck is Theo right now? Hey Theo you fucking bum. How about you go get Tommy Hanson? What the fuck already. I swear to fuck if he resigns Ian Stewart, I'm going to shit in my own mouth.
If he pulled the plug on Dan haren, he sure as Hell wasn't going to say yes to Hanson.

[Frank Drebin]

Cubs arent making any splashes unless someone is willing to take a risk on Garza, offer the world for Castro, or deal for Marmol. That's about all they have left to trade and making a big FA signing at this stage in the rebuilding process is dumb.....and I just gave them a few thousand for my season tix.

[Adder]

needed a replacement for Haren/Santana anyway

Has Haren signed anywhere yet?

[Frank Drebin]

Has Haren signed anywhere yet?

Nope. If he wants a multi year deal he's gonna have go wait for the market to.shake out starting with greinke.

[Damian Rey]

I think the Dodgers could have the inside track to Greinke for the sole fact that they are more than willing to overpay.

[Boomer]

As TPWW's friendly neighborhood Braves fan, I will say I'm happy Tommy Hanson is gone. His mechanics are awful, and he lost a good 7-8 MPH last year on all his pitches. He may be the easiest pitcher to steal a base against in the majors. And he is basically a bullpen's worst nightmare, he usually can only go five innings. And the Braves are apparently gearing up to spend some more cash, I'd imagine, so not a bad cost-cutting measure with the backlog (as much as you can call it that) that they have with starting pitching.

As for the Braves' bullpen, it honestly can't get much better at this point. Need a decent innings eater, maybe.

[Frank Drebin]

Mike Remlinger is out there....

[DaveWadding]

Fuck Mike Remlinger.

[Nicky Fives]

Hansen for Walden makes sense for both teams in my eyes.....Angels get a solid 3-4 starter and Braves get another arm for an already stacked bullpen to help ease the load on the arms of Venters, Kimbrel, etc.

[The Condor]

The Angels are losing Grienke to Texas, this seems like a harbinger.

[Innovator]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/186xh8sg4c397jpg/original.jpg

Sanchez must be spiking Jeter's meals to get him off the backpage

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants choose not to tender a contract to Brian Wilson. Early indication is that Wilson will not return to SF because SF doesn't want to offer him much guaranteed money.

Hope he keeps the beard wherever he goes. I want to see how much longer it can get before MLB claims it causes a distraction to hitters or something.</font>

[RP]

Cubs are talking to Bourne? DO IT I FUCKING DARE YOU THEOBALD DO IT!

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants choose not to tender a contract to Brian Wilson. Early indication is that Wilson will not return to SF because SF doesn't want to offer him much guaranteed money.

Hope he keeps the beard wherever he goes. I want to see how much longer it can get before MLB claims it causes a distraction to hitters or something.</font>

Can't blame them considering Wilson's injury problems (missed last year and a half for them) and Romo doing a great job as his replacement for the closer spot.

[Frank Drebin]

Cubs are talking to Bourne? DO IT I FUCKING DARE YOU THEOBALD DO IT!

Talking to him like they talked to Fielder last year. If he wants to sign on their terms they'd do it, but they ain't getting into a bidding war. Prob just trying to drive up the price if anything.

[Frank Drebin]

Wonder how the new Japanese guy will do. Surprised he didn't go to the angels. Good deal too.

[The Condor]

Derek Eater was too damn easy but it made me smile. Of course he can't walk yet Due to his injury so some pounds were inevitable.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Mets have fielded calls from 6 or 7 teams who want to meet at the Winter Meetings to discuss a Dickey trade.

Shit just got real. I think they'll spend the first day or two gauging interest and fielding trade offers, and if they don't like any of them they'll finally offer Dickey the contract he wants.

Rangers are said to be interested. They weren't willing to trade Andrus or Profar for Justin Upton, so obviously they won't trade either of those guys for Dickey. But they still have a loaded minor league system. If Mike Olt knows how to play the outfield, he'd be a nice addition.</font>

[ClockShot]

Ichiro is tired of waiting for the Yankees and is now hearing offers from other clubs.

Ok.

[YOUR Hero]

Cubs got the best reliever in all of (japanesse) baseball today

[ClockShot]

'Twas the night before Winter Meetings and all through TPWW.......

[YOUR Hero]

Think Justin Upton gets traded this year?

[RoXer]

not yet

[Frank Drebin]

Think Justin Upton gets traded this year?

They talked with the cubs about an upton/Castro deal so anything is possible. Mike stanton is another name to keep an eye on.

[Damian Rey]

Stanton won't be moved until he's eligible for arbitration. St least that's what I'm thinking. He's ridiculously affordable right now, so the Marlins aren't pressured to move him. Once he's in line for substantial raises, he will be dealt.

[ClockShot]

Brad Lidge retires.

[screech]

Stanton won't be moved until he's eligible for arbitration. St least that's what I'm thinking. He's ridiculously affordable right now, so the Marlins aren't pressured to move him. Once he's in line for substantial raises, he will be dealt.

I think he needs to be moved sooner because he was so furious about the trade - and probably still is. Marlins shouldn't want a guy like that, and if it escalates during the year no team will want him.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>A-Rod's getting another hip surgery done in January. It's expected that he's going to miss a large chunk of the season.

That contract keeps getting better.</font>

[ClockShot]

A-Rod's getting another hip surgery done in January. It's expected that he's going to miss a large chunk of the season.

That contract keeps getting better.


Yeah. Frontloaded. He gets cheaper by the year. :lol: :'(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Napoli to the Red Sox</font>

[The Condor]

Napoli is good power-wise, but his average has never been good. The Monster will probably help out with that a little. As for the Justin Upton trade, I just don't understand how a young talented player on a decent team (won the division last year) can be on the block. Do they not have enough money to pay him, or is he becoming a diva?

[Hanso Amore]

Napoli is good power-wise, but his average has never been good. The Monster will probably help out with that a little. As for the Justin Upton trade, I just don't understand how a young talented player on a decent team (won the division last year) can be on the block. Do they not have enough money to pay him, or is he becoming a diva?

At some point they need to think about the big picture. Sure they can win their weak division, but if they ever want to contend for a World Series again, they might need to restock the shelves and start over. Upton could land them 3 Everyday Players.

[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>A-Rod's getting another hip surgery done in January. It's expected that he's going to miss a large chunk of the season.

That contract keeps getting better.</font>

So does that 2009 championship.

At least the yanks got a title out of their mismanaged spending.

[The Condor]

I understand that, but the DBacks are young already with Miley, Kennedy, Upton, Goldschmidt, and Chris Young. They went to the playoffs last year. I think adding another piece or two will actually increase their chances of doing it sooner and maybe holding onto those guys longer.

[Innovator]

Awesome. Good thing he's planning for the surgery in January and not in October when the season ended.

[The Condor]

As for the 2009 title, it is a miracle that it happened with AJ Burnett in the rotation and I'm very happy with it.

[Frank Drebin]

I think he needs to be moved sooner because he was so furious about the trade - and probably still is. Marlins shouldn't want a guy like that, and if it escalates during the year no team will want him.

This. Plus if they are serious about rebuilding (prolly not but you never know) this is where his value is at its highest.

[Frank Drebin]

Awesome. Good thing he's planning for the surgery in January and not in October when the season ended.

Yanks and white sox seem like great AL candidates to fall flat on their faces this year. Both are getting old fast.

[The Condor]

The Stanton trade seems like an awesome idea in theory, however I can't imagine a contending team putting together a Hershal Walker-esque trade for the Marlins to get him. Of course I've been wrong before and the Dodgers are still in existence.

[Skippord]

Stanton is incredible and young, someone would trade everything for him if he was available

[The Condor]

He would go to NEw York for the Scranton RailRiders and immediately tear his ACL.

[Adder]

This. Plus if they are serious about rebuilding (prolly not but you never know) this is where his value is at its highest.
Didn't Selig stop a potential deal involving Stanton and the Red Sox?

[Adder]

Awesome. Good thing he's planning for the surgery in January and not in October when the season ended.

I read today that he had to do some rehabbing first (called it pre-hab) before doing the surgery and that is why the surgery is only happening now.

[The Condor]

I think it's simply a genetic imperative for ARod to be hated.

[screech]

Didn't Selig stop a potential deal involving Stanton and the Red Sox?

Hadn't heard that but Selig is monitoring the Marlins' moves/money, which is probably why no deal has been done.

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Napoli to the Red Sox</font>

Going to end up being their full time 1B for next season. Won't have to worry about the wear-and-tear catchers deal with during a season while benefiting a lot from Fenway being his best hitting and scoring park.


It was only rumored the Stanton deal fell apart because of Selig but mainly because he and the Players Union are monitoring everything the Marlins do in terms of money now for the rest of the offseason.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Fuck you Selig. We need Ginacarlo Mike Stanton. Whatever he wants to be called.

WTF Selig you don't try to stop them spending tons of cash indiscriminately but you will stop them trying to sell it off? Double standard :n:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Aroid might be out until June. Hip surgery!

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121203&content_id=40498100&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

[Triple Naitch]

Napoli is good power-wise, but his average has never been good. The Monster will probably help out with that a little.

Guy hit .320 in 2011, brah.

[The Condor]

Career-wise was the implication.

[The Condor]

.228- 2006
.247- 2007
.273- 2008
.272- 2009
.238- 2010
.320- 2011
.227- 2012

[Triple Naitch]

You said never. It was once good.

[The Condor]

Touché.

[DaveWadding]

I understand that, but the DBacks are young already with Miley, Kennedy, Upton, Goldschmidt, and Chris Young. They went to the playoffs last year. I think adding another piece or two will actually increase their chances of doing it sooner and maybe holding onto those guys longer.

They traded Chris Young to Oakland (in a 3 way trade for Cliff Pennington & Heath Bell from Miami) because he sucks. But point taken.

They really need to upgrade at 3rd and short. Scott Rolen is a free agent. I think they should really look at him on a 2 year deal . I guess Pennington would cut it at short, but I really dont see anything special in Chris Johnson.

[The Condor]

Rolen wouldn't be worth it, too injury prone. And I forgot Chris Young was part of the Stephen Drew trade. Aaron Hill is also a good piece on that team.

[Evil Vito]

Rolen retired IIRC.

[Damian Rey]

Drew is a free agent. Pennington was the ss they dealt.

I think Rolen might be done. He's been hurt a lot and being only able to play third probably limits his options. The guy I'd take a flyer on is Youkilis. He will probably take a one year deal, and, despite a .230 average, still got on base/slugged at a better than .330/.400 clip.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mets currently have 7 teams willing to trade for Dickey.

If its the Red Sox, they want SS prospect Xander Boegarts (#1 ranked Sox prospect) and OF prospect Jackie Bradley Jr (#2 ranked Sox prospect). If its the Rangers, they want their top rated outfield prospect and prospect catcher. Every other team is roughly the same for prospect value the Mets are looking for.


Rays willing to trade James Shield but not as steep of a trading price that would be needed if it was David Price instead.


Greinke to Dodgers and Hamilton back with Rangers are the leading teams for either player's "sweepstakes"

[YOUR Hero]

Soria to Rangers?

[YOUR Hero]

closer or starter

[Triple Naitch]

Neither

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Rolen retired IIRC.

not officially

[ClockShot]

Ricky Nolasco wants out of Miami, according to his agent. The official request to the Marlins front office is unknown.

[ClockShot]

Former Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day, and catcher Deacon all got elected into the Hall of Fame from the Pre-Intergation Committee, which if I was reading correctly, is a spin-off from the Veteran's Committee.

[ClockShot]

Nats sign Dan Haren. 1-year, $13 mil.

[Evil Vito]

Mets are trying to get Vinnie Pestano from the Indians. Would love that move. Young, great sinker, and under team control for four more years. No idea why the Indians would even trade him.

[Adder]

Nats sign Dan Haren. 1-year, $13 mil.

arrg!

this would have been a great type of deal/gamble for the Jays

[The Condor]

Great signing for Nats. Postseason rotation of Strasbourg, Gonzalez, Haren could be money next year and erase the bad taste from this years first round collapse.

[Triple Naitch]

Red Sox are signing Victorino for 3 years. They wouldn't give Cody Ross 3, but they do for Shane? Feel like I'm gonna hate this deal.

[ClockShot]

I got a feeling this deal is gonna backfire just like the Crawford deal.

I'm with ya, Naitchx3.

[Triple Naitch]

It's still 4 years and $103 million cheaper though. :cool:

[Frank Drebin]

Red Sox are doing very curious things. Not the good kind of curious.

[ClockShot]

Giants exercise Bruce Bochy and Brian Sabean's options for 2014.

Didn't know Sabean is MLB's longest tenured GM. Got the job back in '96.

[Emperor Smeat]

Red Sox are signing Victorino for 3 years. They wouldn't give Cody Ross 3, but they do for Shane? Feel like I'm gonna hate this deal.

Supposedly the Yankees are interested in Ross but want to see his medical file since they have worries about his durability.

The deal is pretty odd but I guess the deciding factor was Victorino has played more games than Ross the last 2 years or so and his career average is better than Ross. Probably a better fielder than Ross which is what they need a lot along with depth.

[The Condor]

I swear Bochy is one of the few functioning alcoholics to manage a WS winning team.

[Triple Naitch]

Billy Martin puts Bochy to shame.

[The Condor]

No doubt. But Bochy has 2 rings and possibly more to come if his liver can hold up.

[ClockShot]

Rumor mill is working overtime right now. Probably a safe bet something good goes down either late tonight or overnight.

[YOUR Hero]

what are some of the rumours?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's looking like a Dickey trade won't be happening now. The Royals have publicly said talks are dead if Wil Myers is the asking price. The Mets have been asking for any team's top OF prospect and everybody has balked. Not entirely surprising given Dickey's age.

I don't blame Sandy for taking a hard line approach with this. Trading the reigning Cy Young Award winner who also happens to be one of the most popular players on the team for spare parts would be disappointing.</font>

[Skippord]

Rockies are about to acquire Wilton Lopez

http://gifs.alphacoders.com/images/154/154.gif

[ClockShot]

Marco Scutaro stays with the Giants. 3-years, $20 mil.

Rays aquire Yunel Escobar from the Marlins for Derek Dietrich.

[Gertner]

<font color=goldenrod>It's looking like a Dickey trade won't be happening now. The Royals have publicly said talks are dead if Wil Myers is the asking price. The Mets have been asking for any team's top OF prospect and everybody has balked. Not entirely surprising given Dickey's age.

I don't blame Sandy for taking a hard line approach with this. Trading the reigning Cy Young Award winner who also happens to be one of the most popular players on the team for spare parts would be disappointing.</font>

I just can't see the logic of giving up top prospects for a pitcher in his late 30's who only had one good year.

[Frank Drebin]

True but he's a knuckleballa. They pitch longer than others so the dickey is like 31 in knuckle years.

[Frank Drebin]

Not saying I would give up my top two prospects to get him, but he was the real deal last year. If I were a gm I would kick the tires in case the mets thought last year was a fluke and/or the price comes down.

[Gertner]

They do pitch longer but having his coming out party so late is scary. My Jays fan friends want him but not if that means losing D'arnaud and Synndergarrd

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Dickey's had three good years in a row, too. Well, two good years followed by one fabulous year. Been money since he came to the Mets. His 2011 season is often overlooked because of the 8-13 record, proof that wins and losses just aren't good metrics to use. Might be the best signing Omar Minaya made during his entire tenure.

One rumor floating around was Dickey for Arencibia and Gose. That would be an awful trade for the Mets. They have about 5 million lefty-hitting outfielders already. And Arencibia has some nice pop but can't be counted on to hit for a decent average or reach base consistently. Basically he'd be a righty Luca Duda.

Sounds like Greinke and Sanchez have to sign before teams might panic and offer more for Dickey than they already have. So it's unlikely to happen before the Winter Meetings are done.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Sandy's been shopping around Niese too - might be more attractive to teams than Dickey because he's young, good, left-handed, and has a team-friendly contract. Again interest sounds low until the Greinke and Sanchez dominos fall.</font>

[Splaya]

Sanchez is no way worth what he is commanding. I feel like the Scutaro deal is way under the money he could have got

[The Condor]

A 37 year old journeyman ShortStop with little power and 1 great post season? He played the Giants like a fiddle, I think.

[DaveWadding]

The Giants are being stupid this offseason. 60 mill for Pagan and Scutaro? LOL

[Frank Drebin]

The Giants are being stupid this offseason. 60 mill for Pagan and Scutaro? LOL

Sabean is simply the luckiest GM I have ever seen. None of his moves make any sense but something else happens and he rides it to a title. I do like Pagan though, and getting him for andres torres was a great deal.

Was very pissed when the cubs got rid of him. "A switch hiring OF who can play all three positions, has a little power and can steal bases? Nah....."

[Adder]

Nothing else out there to replace Scutaro with.

[ClockShot]

White Sox sign Jeff Keppinger. 3-years, $12 mil.

O's resign Nate McClouth. 1-year, $2 mil. with 500k in incentives.

Jason Bay to Seattle. 1-year, <$1mil.

D-Backs sign Eric Chavez. 1-year, $3 mil.

Cardinals sign Randy Choate. 3-years, $7.5 mil.

and finally

Angels sign Sean Burnett. 2 years, $9.5 mil.


Busy afternoon.

[Emperor Smeat]

Red Sox current rumors involve them willing to listen to offers for Lester and Ellsbury but the asking price for both are really high. One of the conditions include eating up most of what's left on ether's current contract.

[Frank Drebin]

Love how infield reed Johnson costs 12 mil.

My only question is if he will be more like mark kotsay or mark teahan?

[Frank Drebin]

Can't wait till the white sox implode right after they promoted kenny williams and all his shitty trades which destroyed the farm, his sweetheart deals to old broken players, and terrible spending to supplant average teams to keep the illusion of sustained competitiveness come back to bite the team. Sincerely hope they start the year with guys like tyler flowers in the lineup so it gets as bad as it can.

It may be hard to believe, but this franchise is 1-2 years behind the Cubs at this point.

[Triple Naitch]

Why such hate on the White Sox? Maybe because they won a World Series before the Cubs did?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If I were a betting man I'd say it was because the White Sox won a World Series before the Cubs did.

[ClockShot]

Angels sign Joe Blanton. 2-years, $15 mil.

Arte is really, REALLY trying to convince Greinke to stay in L.A.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>MLB Network tonight proposed a trade of Dickey for Granderson. They've gone batshit crazy.</font>

[Frank Drebin]

Why such hate on the White Sox? Maybe because they won a World Series before the Cubs did?

No, too easy.

I really like the way reisnsdorf runs his club. Shows a lot of loyalty all the way to the bottom. I just hate the love for kenny williams and how sox fan are so proud of themselves for no reason.

Kenny is the AL Brian sabean. He wins in spite of himself. All the moves he does go against normal thought. Hes escaped blame because the team is always "in it" even if they suck balls. They are about to face plant this year something fierce, and since he has deceimated their farm, and left the big league club with its best players being ready to fall off a cliff due to old age, or major injury risks, he has nothing left to trade to get a rebuilding project underway.

Sox fan are always so proud of their team, yet they have shit attendance and couldn't be bothered to show up even when the team is "in it" and the team treats its season ticket holders like gods while ticket reps at wrigley could care less if you live or die. They still think Tom gamboa getting beat up is funny.

[ClockShot]

Cubs sign Nick Schierholtz. 1-year, $2.25 mil. with 500k in incentives.

That's 3 guys Cashman lost to free agency today.

[Frank Drebin]

Also, despite being a Cub fan, management on the business side thinks their shit don't stink. Ought to be fun to see what they try to do after selling out every game from 04-11 now that the team was bad, is bad, and is going to be bad for the next couple of seasons at least.

I'm an objective baseball fan who happens to be a cub fan who has been telling all his sox fan friends for the last 2 years that this is the season the Sox turn into the Houston Astros while providing the logic for my conclusion. The only response I get is "Sox R in it this year!" That's where the hate comes from. Cheers.

[Triple Naitch]

So you're saying that you hate Kenny Williams because he makes unconventional moves that pay off in his team having a winning record? Do you hate Billy Beane too?

[Frank Drebin]

So you're saying that you hate Kenny Williams because he makes unconventional moves that pay off in his team having a winning record? Do you hate Billy Beane too?

No and yes.

Kennys moves are not unconventional, they are extremely short sighted and pay off in very moderate ways. see Youk, liriano trades, and he gets credit here for doing the unthinkable when in this this case...no one wanted those guys.

Bean is different. He made a huge discovery and he used it to gain an advantage over other teams. Now that other teams have added his philosophyto their repetouir, he is once again limited by his budget. His model used in its purest form gets you the Seattle Mariners. What has he won as a gm if he is so great? He's had lots of opportunity to gm in a city with a larger budget but he is content where he is. Which menas he isn't a winner.

[Frank Drebin]

Seattle was meant as an example of a team with a larger budget, BTW.

[Droford]

The o's took a minor league flyer on Connor Jackson, who I'd totally forgotten about. .271 hitter over 7 years..last I remembered a couple years ago he hit a grand slam with the red sox over the monster vs the o's..but apparently he's been bouncing around since getting valley fever in 09 while with the d-backs.

He was also born 18 days before I was..

Could see him playing 1b if he has a strong spring training since 1b is pretty wide open.

[Frank Drebin]

Was Chris Davis really that bad at 1B? I thought he was supposed to be fine defensively.

[SammyG]

GIVE US GREINKEEEEE

[Frank Drebin]

Love how infield reed Johnson costs 12 mil.

My only question is if he will be more like mark kotsay or mark teahan?

How silly of me. Mark Teahen got signed to a 3 year 14 mil extension, so Keppinger is the second coming of Teahen.

[Innovator]

If the Yankees sign Youkilis, I will punch someone in the face. Probably an infant.

[ClockShot]

Rule 5 draft is going down right now, signaling the end of the Winter Meetings.

[Frank Drebin]

What happened to Josh Fields? Everyone thought he was going to be the Mariners closer by now back in the day.

[The Condor]

If the Yankees sign Youkilis, I will punch someone in the face. Probably an infant.

As if A-Rod at the hot corner wasn't bad enough.

[The Condor]

Also, rather than an infant I might punch a pregnant woman in the stomach.

[Droford]

Was Chris Davis really that bad at 1B? I thought he was supposed to be fine defensively.

they put reynolds at first and gave nick johnson starts as well. davis actually filled in ok in rf..but hes seen as a dh.

[The Condor]

Davis is prototypical Big Bang/big bust player and fits in with the O's. I like him, personally, and only wish the K's could be curbed a bit.

[screech]

YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUK

[Innovator]

I feel sick.

[Frank Drebin]

Cubs bring back Ian Stewert. Is it RP that was against this?

[Frank Drebin]

Oh and a very credible source who overheard a board of directors meeting says that the yanks will sign youk for 3 years and $50 mil.

[Triple Naitch]

Sounds like a terrible source.

[Frank Drebin]

Sounds like a terrible source.

Been waiting all bloody day for triple naitch to respond to my kenny williams/billy bean post and that's all I get? :-\

[The Condor]

Sad about the situation at 3rd base in New York and sick of hearing about the hole at catcher that can easily be filled by Cisco Cervelli. Youk at third base while A-Rod rehabs and bathes in money is enough to make fans vomit.

[Frank Drebin]

Look, if you can get youk on a one year deal at a low price (dunno if 12 mil would be low but whatevs) while a rod works his way back why not?

He can still hit lefties, and will probably hit well enough at home to be passable. Not like tex is what he used to be either. So he's a 1b/3b/dh who can be traded at the deadline if everyone is healthy and going strong, if not he makes for a decent backup plan if someone goes down. Youl probably deal for him if something happens to a rod or tex anyway.

Not many other FA options unless you like mark Reynolds.

[ClockShot]

I guess Brian Cashman had his balls cut off. Was just reading a piece that all deals had to get approval from the front office. Which sucks because he's supposed to be his own boss to a degree.

Times like this I wish George was around.

[The Condor]

I'll take Reynolds and trade the K's for my personal Youk dislike. Better power in Yankees Stadium too.

[ClockShot]

Evening update:

Phillies close out the Winter Meetings by aquiring Ben Revere from the Twins for Vance Worley and Trevor May.

Braves sign Reed Johnson

James Loney signs with the Rays. 1-year, $2 mil. + $1 mil. in incentives.

Boston keeps spending away. Koji Uehara signs for 1-year, $4.25 mil.

That's the major news for the time being. Stay tuned to see if FackYouk goes home or goes to the enemy, Zack Greinke gets anxiety meds included in his deal, and if this 4-team super trade has a pulse and can top the Great Boston Bailout.

[The Condor]

Greinke on any LA team is the only way he could pitch in a major market. As The Dude opined about Smokey, he's fragile, he's very fragile.

[Emperor Smeat]

Think its possible he could play in a Chicago market although probably only as a White Sox player. Cubs media would probably rip him to shreds.

Only reason LA has worked out for him is due to the Angels only being an LA team in name only and not as an actual big market team. Would have been a lot different had gone to the Dodgers first.


Evening update:
Boston keeps spending away. Koji Uehara signs for 1-year, $4.25 mil.


Anything that helps out the dreadful bullpen of the last 2 years is always great. He'd replace Aceves as the main setup man while Aceves either gets traded is kept for depth.

[Frank Drebin]

No and yes.

Kennys moves are not unconventional, they are extremely short sighted and pay off in very moderate ways. see Youk, liriano trades, and he gets credit here for doing the unthinkable when in this this case...no one wanted those guys.

Bean is different. He made a huge discovery and he used it to gain an advantage over other teams. Now that other teams have added his philosophyto their repetouir, he is once again limited by his budget. His model used in its purest form gets you the Seattle Mariners. What has he won as a gm if he is so great? He's had lots of opportunity to gm in a city with a larger budget but he is content where he is. Which menas he isn't a winner.

Really dissapointed that no one followed up on my post.

*cracks knuckles*

Reds suck and so does the state of Ohio in general. I don't know who tripple naitch roots for but I'm guessing they suck as well.

[Triple Naitch]

No need to fish for arguments. You are entitled to your opinion.

[Frank Drebin]

It's not am argument, its a discussion. I want to know what you think. You have an opinion on my opinion I'm sure, and I want to know what it is.

I always leave open the possibility I might be wrong when it comes to my own thoughts and beliefs and I enjoy other trains of thought as long as proper logic can be provided to support it.

Not to mention its fun to debate. That's one of two reasons why Baseball is the greatest sport.

[Frank Drebin]

Or we could just have the thread be boring updates that everyone else can see at mlbtraderumors with the occasional random reply.

[Frank Drebin]

Before I get back to the snark, my 1,000th post will be the other reason why Baseball is the greatest sport:

Baseball is everyday.

[Frank Drebin]

Red Sox aquire Graham Godfrey.

[Frank Drebin]

Wow! The Red Sox could really use Graham Godfr......zzzzzzzzzz.

[The Condor]

I feel that Hamilton going to NYY, while I would support it, would be a publicized human experiment to test Hamiltons will power and discipline.

[Hanso Amore]

Evening update:

Phillies close out the Winter Meetings by aquiring Ben Revere from the Twins for Vance Worley and Trevor May.

Braves sign Reed Johnson

James Loney signs with the Rays. 1-year, $2 mil. + $1 mil. in incentives.

Boston keeps spending away. Koji Uehara signs for 1-year, $4.25 mil.

That's the major news for the time being. Stay tuned to see if FackYouk goes home or goes to the enemy, Zack Greinke gets anxiety meds included in his deal, and if this 4-team super trade has a pulse and can top the Great Boston Bailout.

4 years ago I thought James Loney was a building block type player. Not a ton of power but just an all around baller.

Sad to see he fell off :( Really thouight out of the Kemp, Loney, Ethier class of young dodgers that he would be the best.

[Frank Drebin]

While I never thought loney would be better than the other two, I did think he had the chance to be a john olerud/wally joyner/mark grace type. In other words, a very under valued guy.

[Frank Drebin]

It does give me hope that the rays signed him. I always think they know something the rest of the league dosent. Then again I thought the same about another 1B, Brandon Allen.

[Hanso Amore]

They salvaged Pena into a major threat, maybe this is good for Loney.

would love to see him have a good year and earn a new deal.

[Hanso Amore]

They salvaged Pena into a major threat, maybe this is good for Loney.

would love to see him have a good year and earn a new deal.

[Frank Drebin]

I wouldn't say they made him into a major threat last year. His whole deal is Adam Dunn light (Fewer homers, slightly worse obp, but great glove, historically speaking anyway) and he had his worst season in quite some time last year. The 330 obp dosent cut it unless you hit 40 bombs. Like Dunn, he's got old slow man skills which means he likely washes out sooner than later. I wouldn't be surprised if he's done, but someone should take a flyer on him.

[Hanso Amore]

I didnt mean just least year.

Pena was on his way out of the majors until he took off in Tampa 5 or so years ago.

[Frank Drebin]

Ah I see what you mean.

Always found it funny that in the Moneyball movie they make a huge deal out of dealing Pena when it turns out he's a moneyball type player anyway.

[Hanso Amore]

Speaking of Dunn, IF he can hang in the majors for 3-4 more years he can easily hit 500 homers....Wow.

[Hanso Amore]

Ah I see what you mean.

Always found it funny that in the Moneyball movie they make a huge deal out of dealing Pena when it turns out he's a moneyball type player anyway.

I was thinking the same thing. Though as a prospect he wasnt a moneyball guy, he was the high money high talent top pick guy.

Then He flames out and ends up driving Tampa to the top for no money.

[Frank Drebin]

Speaking of Dunn, IF he can hang in the majors for 3-4 more years he can easily hit 500 homers....Wow.

Hmmm. Didn't realize that but not surprised since he seemed to hit 40 routinely for so long there. Not a hall of famer by any stretch though.

[RoXer]

Brandon McCarthy

[RoXer]

I can't remember which of my favorite team's players are on which team.

It's a big blur.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Speaking of Dunn, IF he can hang in the majors for 3-4 more years he can easily hit 500 homers....Wow.

And he's still never been in a home run derby

[The Condor]

That is something I've always wanted to see, because he can crank them with the best. I remember a shot he had to dead center in Cincinnatti that was about 500ft. and it was pretty damn cool. The Big Donkey is definitely country strong.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ryan Ludwick staying with the Reds for another 2 years, $15 million deal.

Ryan Dempster rejects a 2 year, $25 million offer from the Red Sox and a 2 year, $26 million offer from the Royals. He wants 3 years as a minimum with the Cubs and Brewers willing to give him it.

Phillies rejected a trade with the Red Sox which would have sent Jacoby Ellsbury to the Phillies in return for Cliff Lee to the Red Sox.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Making the rounds that Michael Young has agreed to waive his no-trade clause to go to Philadelphia. Financial details still being worked out but a deal looks likely now.</font>