MLB Exhibition Games 2013 Thread

[The Condor]

That's a nice pick up for the Phil's if its going to happen. Ludwick sticking with the Reds is also an underrated signing. He's very good for them.

[Frank Drebin]

That's a nice pick up for the Phil's if its going to happen. Ludwick sticking with the Reds is also an underrated signing. He's very good for them.

I guess. Not a fan of Young, but again, there are so few 3B out there right now. I don't like the idea that you are basically hoping that his BAIBP goes back up to provide the value with the bat. Not a HR threat, not a speed guy, and a poor defender.....he makes contact, but needs to get lucky. Not a bad deal, but like I said, not big on the guy.

[YOUR Hero]

Michael Young agrees to trade to Phillies

After 13 seasons and more than 1,800 games – the entirety of his big-league career – in a single organization, Michael Young agreed Saturday to waive his no-trade rights and leave the Texas Rangers for the Philadelphia Phillies.

With his permission, Young has been traded to the Phillies for reliever Josh Lindblom and minor-league right-hander Lisalverto Bonilla, and become their primary third baseman. The Rangers are expected to pay as much as $10 million of Young’s $16 million salary for 2013.

[....] http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/michael-young-agrees-to-trade-to-phillies-195813165.html
Young will receive an extra $1.2 million to cover the difference in state income tax.

[Frank Drebin]

I'm sure Dempster will find someone to give him a three year deal at some point but he's gonna have to wait for the dominos to fall. He left the cubs in such a shit way. He can shove that clown suit up his ass.

[Frank Drebin]

Supposed to be a nice guy though.

[Damian Rey]

Agree with Frank on the Young trade. He's also 36, and his best years are behind him. I don't get this move at all. Good move for Texas, though, as it frees up some payroll and possibly gives Olt a shot on the 25 man.

[ClockShot]

Hyun-Jin Ryu and the Dodgers are far apart in trade talks and the 30 day negotiation window closes at 5 ET tomorrow. At the same time, they're supposedly close to signing Greinke.

Let's play "How much money does Hyun-Jin Ryu want?"

I'm gonna say 5-years, $77.5 mil. C.J. Wilson money.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Dodgers' offer to Greinke is 6 years, $145 million.

$24 million a year. A guy like King Felix will probably get like $30 million a year at this point.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Dodgers over splurged for Greinke considering his new per year salary would almost be doubled what he got last year.

Really makes it seems like those rumors of them not having to worry about normal revenue sharing and a huge secret stash of cash would actually be true.

[screech]

Really makes it seems like those rumors of them not having to worry about normal revenue sharing and a huge secret stash of cash are actually true.

Lol what? Have never heard this.

[The Condor]

If that deal is for real, the market for pitchers is going to be completely skewed. He's good but not THAT good and certainly doesn't deserve that contract. Dodgers are becoming like Al Davis.

[screech]

<font color=goldenrod>The Dodgers' offer to Greinke is 6 years, $145 million.

$24 million a year. A guy like King Felix will probably get like $30 million a year at this point.</font>

Felix would deserve a contract like that moreso than Greinke, IMO

[ClockShot]

King Felix would get CC money, if not more.

Probably gonna sign Ryu on the cheap now or he's on the red eye home tomorrow.

[Frank Drebin]

Me neither but it dosent mean its false. It actually seemes highly plausible. Just look at the marlins. Then there is this great quote:

"I can take a $4 million dollar profit, make it look like a $2 million loss and get ever major accounting firm to agree with me."
-Toronto Blue Jays President Paul Beaston.

Edit: this refers to screetch and smelly meatballs posts.

[screech]

Me neither but it dosent mean its false. It actually seemes highly plausible. Just look at the marlins. Then there is this great quote:

"I can take a $4 million dollar profit, make it look like a $2 million loss and get ever major accounting firm to agree with me."
-Toronto Blue Jays President Paul Beaston.

Edit: this refers to screetch and smelly meatballs posts.

Wasn't "lol-ing" out of disbelief, for the record. Would be hilarious if it's true.

[Triple Naitch]

I like the trade for the Phillies. The Rangers are paying most of his salary and the Phillies get a 3B better than anything on the market. Philly is going to love Michael Young. He's right handed, fills their void until Cody Asche is ready, and a good clubhouse presence.

Dunno how Greinke is going to work out. The guy is a great pitcher, but isn't worth $24 million a year.

[Frank Drebin]

I like the trade for the Phillies. The Rangers are paying most of his salary and the Phillies get a 3B better than anything on the market. Philly is going to love Michael Young. He's right handed, fills their void until Cody Asche is ready, and a good clubhouse presence.

Dunno how Greinke is going to work out. The guy is a great pitcher, but isn't worth $24 million a year.

Boring. Still waiting for your thoughts on kenny williams and billy bean.

[Triple Naitch]

Oh now you're just trolling.

[Frank Drebin]

So you have no thoughts on if they are good GMs?

[screech]

Let it go.

[screech]

Hilarious that some people would rather have Galvis//Fransden than a "washed up" Michael Young.

6 million for him is great. Looking forward to seeing him live and in color.

[SammyG]

KERSHAW GREINKE BECKETT YEE AIN'T KNOW

[ClockShot]

Shohei Otani has reversed his decision on coming to the States to play in the MLB and instead will stay in Japan and play for the Nippon Ham Fighters.

[The Condor]

The Young deal isn't bad, honestly. The man has multiple 200 hit seasons, and sure not many left but it's better than Polanco and he's isn't an inept old man. He's been an All-Star at 3 different positions and I think that increases his value further, especially since they are only paying a portion of the contract. He'll have a fine season in Philly.

[ClockShot]

Details on the Greinke contract. There isn't a no-trade clause attached to a deal, but he can opt-out out of the 3rd year.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>There is a huge drop-off in the starting pitching free agent market after Greinke. I think the Mets could wind up getting a much better offer for Dickey than they were getting in the winter meetings.

It's said that the Rangers would part with Mike Olt for Dickey. Olt would need to play LF everyday though...he's played LF a bit in the minors but the Mets have had many infield prospects have to move to the OF and ultimately fail.</font>

[Frank Drebin]

Let it go.

*sigh*

Look, I'm just trying to get some sort of conversation going about Baseball strategy and philosophy. Ill talk about it all bloody day.

I just get bored of the random news update followed by one "seems like a good move" post. I can read the same articles, I want to know what people think.

[Frank Drebin]

Hilarious that some people would rather have Galvis//Fransden than a "washed up" Michael Young.

6 million for him is great. Looking forward to seeing him live and in color.

He will be 1 to 2 war player. 6 mil is fine. Dont expect an all star

[Triple Naitch]

WAR is retarded. There's a discussion for you.

[Droford]

KERSHAW GREINKE BECKETT YEE AIN'T KNOW

7 to 1 in Vegas to win the WS..suckers lol

[Frank Drebin]

WAR is retarded. There's a discussion for you.

Great question, TN!

Its very hard to quantify so many items into one all encompassing stat, but WAR comes close, though it has its flaws. While it is the one stat that is used to combine both offense and defense, the real fun comes in that WAR is context, league, and park neutral which means it can be used to compare players from different teams, leagues, and even across eras.

Is it everything? Nope, not even close. I have issues with it in that it does not take into account "styles" of players such as number of pitches per at bat. If player A and B are the same in every way, but player A sees 3 PPAB, while player B sees 6, you take player B everytime. WAR does not take things like that or other things like pickoff moves into account. This limits it in my mind as an omni tool.

When it comes to SABR stats, they need to be used and incorporated because they are valuable tools, but they are not the be all end all as the Moneyball movie would make it seem, but rather only 1/6th of how to go about constructing a Baseball organization.

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[Frank Drebin]

Details on the Greinke contract. There isn't a no-trade clause attached to a deal, but he can opt-out out of the 3rd year.

ClockShot, you provide many news updates, but I still have no idea what your team is. What is it, and can you please explain why?

[Triple Naitch]

Clockshot is a Yankees fan. He enjoys posting news updates.

[The Condor]

Well, Frank, my philosophy is more or less from the Scioscia school more so than the typical AL style. As a Yankees fan I admit that watching the games can be torturous and monotonous due to the fact that they take every pitch and games last over 3 hours. I'm more of an old school Pete Rose Ty Cobb, fire in the belly type of player. Guys like that- Cervelli, Paul O'Neil, Bubba Crosby for example- always appealed to me more than the big money guys like A-Rod. Aside from Jeter and a handful of others they just don't seem to have the passion I enjoy from the y

[The Condor]

Well, Frank, my philosophy is more or less from the Scioscia school more so than the typical AL style. As a Yankees fan I admit that watching the games can be torturous and monotonous due to the fact that they take every pitch and games last over 3 hours. I'm more of an old school Pete Rose-Ty Cobb, fire in the belly type of player . Guys like that- Cervelli, Paul O'Neil, Bubba Crosby for example- always appealed to me more than the big money guys like A-Rod. Aside from Jeter and a handful of others they just don't seem to have the passion I enjoy from the young and hungry baseball players who go out on the field to make a point through the "dirty" work aspects of the game.

[ClockShot]

Clockshot is a Yankees fan. He enjoys posting news updates.

Correct on both. Baseball offseason is a season in itself, the money and trades going down, the big signing to the baseball club nobody knew was in the mix. It's all exciting, imo.

[The Condor]

Totally agree.

[Frank Drebin]

Well, Frank, my philosophy is more or less from the Scioscia school more so than the typical AL style. As a Yankees fan I admit that watching the games can be torturous and monotonous due to the fact that they take every pitch and games last over 3 hours. I'm more of an old school Pete Rose-Ty Cobb, fire in the belly type of player . Guys like that- Cervelli, Paul O'Neil, Bubba Crosby for example- always appealed to me more than the big money guys like A-Rod. Aside from Jeter and a handful of others they just don't seem to have the passion I enjoy from the young and hungry baseball players who go out on the field to make a point through the "dirty" work aspects of the game.

Thats what happens when you make your first couple million i guess.

The guys who want it the most constantly make adjustments to get to The Show while some of them think that they can continue to do what has gotten them to high A ball and they will make it eventually. The Cubs had Bryan Lahair last year, who always was making adjustments until it finally worked well enough that he got his moment in the sun and a few million bucks to play in Japan if nothing else, while someone like Felix Pie never wanted to fix his loopy swing (I call it a poor impression of Jim Edmonds).

Some guys have the fight in them, but once they get set for life, that fight gets dialed down because, lets face it: its about the cash and whatever else comes after can be taken or left. Thats why we root for the Juan Pierres (where is Mr. Pierre?) of the world because they always show up early to do shit like bunting drills.

Grinder ball only gets you so far though. You still need that natural talent.

[Frank Drebin]

Correct on both. Baseball offseason is a season in itself, the money and trades going down, the big signing to the baseball club nobody knew was in the mix. It's all exciting, imo.

YES! Baseball is every f'n day.

Its the only sport that is always in motion during the offseason. The other sports' offseasons are limited by things like roster size and overall number of moves to be made (NBA) or because everything happens in a short period of time (NFL).

[The Condor]

No doubt, I refer more to the mentality and ambition than raw ability. Jeter has the drive and does the grinder stuff even though he is the shit of baseball. A guy can have A-Rods talent but I want the mentality and the little "extra", so to speak. Just a personal preference.

[Frank Drebin]

Those type of players are so hard to find. The quintessential team captain.

People who watch Jeter play probably dont get all the hate for the guy because you see what he does in every aspect of the game on a day-to-day basis. Championship teams need guys like that to rally around. Just know that he is indeed one of the most overrated defenders in history. Its true. Its true.

[The Condor]

His defense is good but not great. He's no slouch but he's not a gold glover either. Just safe and solid. But the play he made in The ALCS when he broke his ankle is what I'm talking about. Dude gives his all on every play even if he's not as acrobatically gifted as Ozzie Smith or as sure handed as Omar Vizquel.

[screech]

*sigh*

Look, I'm just trying to get some sort of conversation going about Baseball strategy and philosophy. Ill talk about it all bloody day.

I just get bored of the random news update followed by one "seems like a good move" post. I can read the same articles, I want to know what people think.

He didn't want to answer your question. There is no point in asking it four more times. Move on to something else.

[screech]

We discuss the big moves here. If no one wants to comment on one, it gets glossed over and we move forward. Not a hard concept.

[screech]

He will be 1 to 2 war player. 6 mil is fine. Dont expect an all star

I don't give a damn about WAR. He is way better than the platoon most are suggesting and better than Polanco.

I do wish they hadn't whiffed on getting him years ago when Texas wanted Utley, though.

[YOUR Hero]

So Greinke to Dodgers.

I'd worry about him struggling, and not recovering, given his past anxiety issues. Guys struggle with big contracs, he just seems the type that *might* have a tough time over coming.

[Frank Drebin]

He didn't want to answer your question. There is no point in asking it four more times. Move on to something else.

If you dont want to answer questions, dont ask any yourself.

We discuss the big moves here. If no one wants to comment on one, it gets glossed over and we move forward. Not a hard concept.

Oh ok, didnt realize responding to his....wait why am I talking to you again?

I don't give a damn about WAR. He is way better than the platoon most are suggesting and better than Polanco.

Why dont you like WAR? Did it ask you a question once?

[Frank Drebin]

His defense is good but not great. He's no slouch but he's not a gold glover either. Just safe and solid. But the play he made in The ALCS when he broke his ankle is what I'm talking about. Dude gives his all on every play even if he's not as acrobatically gifted as Ozzie Smith or as sure handed as Omar Vizquel.

Was thinking about his contract negotiations before the 2011 season. Who was being more of a dick about it? The player or the team? Just remember a pissing contest through the media for a while.

[screech]

Love how you told me not to ask questions while quoting a post in which I did not ask a question.

You pestered triple naitch for half a page about answering you, then got pissy when I told you to move forward. Not sure where the rest of your bitching is coming from, though.

[screech]

So Greinke to Dodgers.

I'd worry about him struggling, and not recovering, given his past anxiety issues. Guys struggle with big contracs, he just seems the type that *might* have a tough time over coming.

It's possible, but LA could be "his spot." I know the Angels aren't exactly in LA, but he was still in a bigger market than MIL and did well.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So Greinke to Dodgers.

I'd worry about him struggling, and not recovering, given his past anxiety issues. Guys struggle with big contracs, he just seems the type that *might* have a tough time over coming.

Ya I just don't understand how you can give the second largest pitcher contract EVER to a guy with not just a HUGE red flag, but also pretty average career numbers and one unbelievable season 4 years ago.

Seems kind of insane to me. But what do I know?

[Frank Drebin]

Love how you told me not to ask questions while quoting a post in which I did not ask a question.

You pestered triple naitch for half a page about answering you, then got pissy when I told you to move forward. Not sure where the rest of your bitching is coming from, though.

Talking about him, not you. :roll:

Still have no idea who you are or why you are trying to thump your chest. Stay out of White Sox business.

[Skippord]

more than Ned Colletti

[Skippord]

@SupremeTheDream

[Frank Drebin]

Ya I just don't understand how you can give the second largest pitcher contract EVER to a guy with not just a HUGE red flag, but also pretty average career numbers and one unbelievable season 4 years ago.

Seems kind of insane to me. But what do I know?

Not for giving pitchers more than 3 or 4 years unless they are built like dumptrucks (Felix, CC) or soft tossers (the Tom Glavine type).

Dodgers are spending recklessly. This is insane.

[screech]

Talking about him, not you. :roll:

Still have no idea who you are or why you are trying to thump your chest. Stay out of White Sox business.

lol then why did you quote three of my posts and start bitching at me?

[screech]

Dodgers are spending recklessly. This is insane.

They are in it to win it now.

Or implode mid-season. Whichever.

[screech]

What's Manny up to these days? Could lure him back to really shake it up out there.

[Frank Drebin]

lol then why did you quote three of my posts and start bitching at me?

Well, you jumped in to defend your boy.

Shake on it and call it a day?

[Frank Drebin]

They are in it to win it now.

Or implode mid-season. Whichever.

This never works out. Its like a movie with a super cast. Its like they didnt learn from the Marlins, or even the red sox.

[SammyG]

lol @ our rotation. We have too many starting pitchers, might have to trade a couple. Kershaw, Greinke, Beckett, Capuano, Billingsley is seriously dirty. And that's not even including Ryu, which we got today. Still got Lilly and Harang too.

[Frank Drebin]

Can never have too much starting pitching. Half those guys are injury risks anyway. These things have a way of sorting themselves out by April.

I used to think Billingsly was going to be a stud. What went wrong and what are your thoughts on him?

[ClockShot]

As SammyG noted above, Dodgers and Hyun-Jin Ryu get a deal done in the 11th hour. 6-years, $36 mil. He got an opt-out clause at 5 years if he hits the 750 innings pitched mark.

Indians sign Mark Reynolds. 1-year, $6 mil. + incentives.

Hmmmm? What does Youk do now?

[Triple Naitch]

Fuck. Feeling really nervous that Youk is gonna go to the Yankees. :'(

[SammyG]

Can never have too much starting pitching. Half those guys are injury risks anyway. These things have a way of sorting themselves out by April.

I used to think Billingsly was going to be a stud. What went wrong and what are your thoughts on him?
What went wrong is injuries. Guy can't stay healthy. Some of those injuries changed his mechanics and since then, it's been downhill. He still has some of those performances where you wonder how amazing he'd be if he was consistent, but yeah. If he is our 4th-5th starter, that just shows that we have crazy deep depth in our rotation.

[Skippord]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Source: <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Rays">#Rays</a> will send James Shields and Wade Davis to <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Royals">#Royals</a> for Wil Myers and other prospects.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/277982667985809408" data-datetime="2012-12-10T03:46:47+00:00">December 10, 2012</a></blockquote>

[Innovator]

Fuck. Feeling really nervous that Youk is gonna go to the Yankees. :'(

Me too. Hold me.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol the Royals are such idiots</font>

[Skippord]

good lord the Royals were traderaped

Will Myers and Jake Odorizzi

[Triple Naitch]

And Mike Montgomery.

[Skippord]

and some other dude who I have not heard of

[Triple Naitch]

Who knows? Maybe Wil Myers will be a bust. :-\

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Kinda thought Myers would be the new George Brett torchbearer type for the Royals franchise. Oh well.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So would you rather give up $147 million or your top prospect for pretty much the exact same pitcher?

[Triple Naitch]

I'd actually take James Shields over Zack Greinke. Plus Alcides Escobar.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm just scratching my head. Shields is fantastic, no doubt. But their rotation still sucks outside of Shields and they just gave up 6 years of team control of the best hitting prospect in baseball for him.

It's an indefensibly bad trade for the Royals.</font>

[Frank Drebin]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm just scratching my head. Shields is fantastic, no doubt. But their rotation still sucks outside of Shields and they just gave up 6 years of team control of the best hitting prospect in baseball for him.

It's an indefensibly bad trade for the Royals.</font>

That's my first impression as well.

[ClockShot]

I think the real question is, the Royals couldn't get David Price?

Rays come out of this trade the winners. And good riddance James Shields, always gave the Yankees problems.

[Innovator]

"Big Game" James would either give up 4 in 4IP, or one hit the Yankees over 8.2

[Triple Naitch]

Just remember that for every Bryce Harper and Justin Upton, there's a Brandon Wood and Dallas McPherson in the minor leagues. Kudos to the Royals for taking the chance.

[YOUR Hero]

Just remember that for every Bryce Harper and Justin Upton, there's a Brandon Wood and Dallas McPherson in the minor leagues. Kudos to the Royals for taking the chance.

yeah,

they hink they can tak a run at things right now. So kudos to them, for taking the steps to try. Time will tell.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Myers would have been a key cog in their lineup for years. Sure, he CAN end up being a bust, but I think it's highly unlikely. He seems to be as close to a can't miss prospect as it gets.

Even with Shields, the Tigers have a far better roster. The Tigers' window DOES appear to be closing soon, 2014 is when Verlander, V-Mart, Hunter, etc. hit free agency plus Cabrera and Fielder will be north of 30. Instead, they mortgaged their future for a guy who will also be leaving after 2014.

Letting Myers get a couple of years of experience (plus Moustakas and Hosmer getting a couple of more seaons under their belts, they have potential but just aren't there yet) would have put them in a great position to compete in 2015 and beyond. I know they've been shit for a long time, but it's a really short-sighted decision.</font>

[Triple Naitch]

They've thought long term for the past ten years and it hasn't paid off. They had to make a move and they did.

What makes Myers such a can't miss prospect?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>He has natural power and excellent bat speed. Could see him regularly getting 25-30 long balls as he is now, with potential to get even stronger as he develops further. He has the range to play CF right away as well, which works out nicely for a Rays team that has just lost BJ Upton. Could he flake out? Sure. But the talent is clearly there and I'd be rather surprised if he's not a very productive hitter in the Trop.

Don't get me wrong - I hope this does pay off for the Royals. They've waited a long ass time to see their team be competitive. But if they don't make the playoffs within the next 2 seasons, Dayton Moore will be fired and the franchise might be set back another several years.</font>

[The Condor]

This talk of prospects and potential makes me realize that Peter Gammons used to blow loads over a young player named Bobby Crosby from the A's. Remember him? Gammons said he was can't miss and would win an MVP award or more. He barely hit .240 and after a few years was a utility player in PBurgh. Potential is intoxicating but it's just potential and not proven yet. I'm not going to pass a verdict on this trade but it could go either way.

[Adder]

Alex Gordon was the second coming of George Brett a few years ago. It took four years for him to produce anything. The Royals needed to make this trade since they believe they have a shot at post season play now.

[Triple Naitch]

<font color=goldenrod>He has natural power and excellent bat speed. Could see him regularly getting 25-30 long balls as he is now, with potential to get even stronger as he develops further. He has the range to play CF right away as well, which works out nicely for a Rays team that has just lost BJ Upton. Could he flake out? Sure. But the talent is clearly there and I'd be rather surprised if he's not a very productive hitter in the Trop.

Don't get me wrong - I hope this does pay off for the Royals. They've waited a long ass time to see their team be competitive. But if they don't make the playoffs within the next 2 seasons, Dayton Moore will be fired and the franchise might be set back another several years.</font>

Brandon Wood had that same bat speed and power. If a guy hits 43 homers in one season at 3 minor league levels, you have to assume it will translate to the majors. But not in that case.

The Royals have not been able to develop a major league ace in decades. Something in their farm system is off. The best way to get a major league ace for them is to use their surplus to get that guy. James Shields is a poor man's Roy Halladay. He is legit.

[Hanso Amore]

Just remember that for every Bryce Harper and Justin Upton, there's a Brandon Wood and Dallas McPherson in the minor leagues. Kudos to the Royals for taking the chance.

Wow, forgot about Dallas. What a sad bust

[Frank Drebin]

This talk of prospects and potential makes me realize that Peter Gammons used to blow loads over a young player named Bobby Crosby from the A's. Remember him? Gammons said he was can't miss and would win an MVP award or more. He barely hit .240 and after a few years was a utility player in PBurgh. Potential is intoxicating but it's just potential and not proven yet. I'm not going to pass a verdict on this trade but it could go either way.

The national reporters have problems at the micro level. A lot of their info comes from what others have told them and not what they have seen themselves. They are paid to be talking heads, not evaluate talent on thier own necessarily.

[The Condor]

Sure, but if the scouts pass this information off they must believe it and be wrong as well. There is almost no "can't miss" guy in baseball but maybe 1 in a generation such as Bo Jackson, Griffey, Jeter, King Felix.

[The Condor]

Just realized Jeter and Griffey are same generation. Oops.

[Damian Rey]

The problem I'm seeing here with the Royals is they're making such a dire move to get pitching, but the reality is, they weren't even a mediocre team to start with.

I get what they're trying to accomplish. Trade a few top prospects too get you over the hump and take.advantage of a window of opportunity. The Jays have done that. They were a solid team with some upside that went out and near instantly added at least 5 wins to their season by trading some of their prospects for legit major league talent.

The difference is, you can see why the Jays jumped on the chance. They deepen an already solid starting rotation, and upgrade at a league wide weak position with a premier player.

The Royals are not in the same situation. They were a 70-75 win team before the trade and now, maybe they're a 75-80 win team, tops. I'd love to see it work out, but they're essentially relying on a career#2 starter to be an ace, a bounce back year from Santana, and a mediocre starter in Davis to add 15-20 wins and try and compete with a team that's still miles better than they are.

This move is incredibly short sided. Meanwhile, the Rays get a huge to protect Longoria in the long run.

[Hanso Amore]

Just realized Jeter and Griffey are same generation. Oops.

Depends on how long you consider a Generation and when they start and stop. Griffey was already a household name and future hall of famer by the time Jeter made it to the bigs. If you consider then the same generation then you have to consider Pujols in Jeter's generation, erc etc until everyone bleeds together.

[The Condor]

True. I'd say once every 6-7 years or so. And if we have Trout, Strasbourg, Harper, Profar, Myers, this guy and that guy then every team would have outstanding, amazing players. Baseball is the hardest sport to master and to say any guy, before he accomplishes a good deal in 3-4 full seasons, is a cant miss, franchise player is absolutely wrongheaded.

[Droford]

"Big Game" James would either give up 4 in 4IP, or one hit the Yankees over 8.2

The article i read mentioned the 9 IP 1h 1er 15k loss vs the orioles in the last series of the season. Personally I won't miss shields and hope the prospects don't pan out. Prospects are really suspects until proven otherwise, a wise man by the name of Ben maller has said numerous times..

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd go longer and say every 10-12 years since that is around the length the greats usually have. Average pro career length is around 4-5 in most sports so 6-7 might be too short.

Would mean Griffey's generation catches everyone from 89 till 99-01/02.

[Evil Vito]

The problem I'm seeing here with the Royals is they're making such a dire move to get pitching, but the reality is, they weren't even a mediocre team to start with.

I get what they're trying to accomplish. Trade a few top prospects too get you over the hump and take.advantage of a window of opportunity. The Jays have done that. They were a solid team with some upside that went out and near instantly added at least 5 wins to their season by trading some of their prospects for legit major league talent.

The difference is, you can see why the Jays jumped on the chance. They deepen an already solid starting rotation, and upgrade at a league wide weak position with a premier player.

The Royals are not in the same situation. They were a 70-75 win team before the trade and now, maybe they're a 75-80 win team, tops. I'd love to see it work out, but they're essentially relying on a career#2 starter to be an ace, a bounce back year from Santana, and a mediocre starter in Davis to add 15-20 wins and try and compete with a team that's still miles better than they are.

This move is incredibly short sided. Meanwhile, the Rays get a huge to protect Longoria in the long run.

<font color=goldenrod>Pretty much what I've been trying to say. If Shields was the last piece of the puzzle, then go for it by all means. But he's far from it. They just look like a mediocre team across the board.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Mets have told the Rangers they'd trade them Dickey for Mike Olt and Leonys Martin.

I wouldn't have wanted to lose Dickey for Olt straight up, but I'd be hard pressed to say no if Martin were included too. That'd be 2/3rds of the Mets' Opening Day outfield right there.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Dodger's deal with Grienke ended making them leapfrog the Yankees for #1 team salary next year and break the MLB record for biggest team salary for a season. Was around $190+ million before the Greinke signing.

Also became the 2nd team ever to break $200 million for a year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://b68389.medialib.glogster.com/media/e3d4598233559b40af63f4b3ef93c66d57554b6b2c44e8ab094408d4af9c23bd/steve-holt-7.jpg

Mike Olt!

[YOUR Hero]

with 2 wild cards and hat os considered a weak division this year, I see what the Royals are thinking. I hope they make it.

[YOUR Hero]

Also,

I hopr the Jays aren't done yet. I would love to see them pick up another starter. Capuano might be available now that the Dodgers have 27 starters

[Frank Drebin]

Wonder what the price tag would be on Capuano, Lilly (hows he doing health wise?) or even Harang.

[YOUR Hero]

hopefully a catcher named arencibia

[ClockShot]

Dayton Moore and KLaw are gonna go at it the next time they're in the same building, it seems.

Other news:

Jason Grilli, who was supposed to make his announcement on where he's gonna sign at the winter meetings, made it a week late today. Staying with the Pirates, 2-years, $6.75 mil.

Kevin Youkilis is seriously considering signing with the Yankees. Rangers are in the mix, too.

Finally, looks like Suzuki Ichiro will be staying with the Yankees another season. They're hammering out the details and a deal should be done in a matter of days.

[Frank Drebin]

Dayton Moore and KLaw are gonna go at it the next time they're in the same building, it seems.

why?

[ClockShot]

KLaw wrote after the trade that the Rays won this deal big time and that it was the final nail in Dayton Moore's tenure as GM in Kansas City. Moore quotes it was "very, very, insulting"

Everyone's got an opinion.

[Frank Drebin]

Ha! Celebrity Death Match ahoy.

[YOUR Hero]

if the Royals make the playoffs, they win the trade... from their point of view.

[The Condor]

First playoff berth in 20+ years? Yeah that would be a win for them, in some respect.

[ClockShot]

Andruw Jones is going to Japan. Signed a deal with the Rakuten Eagles. 1-year, $3.5 mil.

[Hanso Amore]

Andruw Jones is going to Japan. Signed a deal with the Rakuten Eagles. 1-year, $3.5 mil.

Local Restaurateurs Rejoice!

[ClockShot]

Bit of chatter going on right now between in-state neighbors Cincinnati and Cleveland with the Reds looking to get Shin-Soo Choo and possibly a 2nd player. The Reds would send Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorius to the Tribe. But now Arizona is in the mix somehow making this a 3-team trade.

More as it develops.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dickey gives another ultimatum-like message to the Mets to either get a extension done or he's walking after the next season. Mets gave a new offer but hint a trade might end up occurring very soon.

Sources told ESPN.com early Tueday morning that the Mets are prepared to offer Dickey two years at $20 million on top of the $5 million owed in 2013. Dickey seeks a combined $26 million to $28 million for 2014 and '15, sources added.

[The Condor]

Bit of chatter going on right now between in-state neighbors Cincinnati and Cleveland with the Reds looking to get Shin-Soo Choo and possibly a 2nd player. The Reds would send Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorius to the Tribe. But now Arizona is in the mix somehow making this a 3-team trade.

More as it develops.

Hot fucking stove. But the Choo-Stubbs deal seems like a wash. The Indians get youth and Reds get a consistent veteran. 2 clubs in different positions trading essentially the same player sans age. It probably isn't but that's how it seems on the surface.

[Triple Naitch]

Youk to the Yankees.

My heart hurts. :'(

[The Condor]

Fuck fuck fuck fuuuuuuckkk

[Damian Rey]

Unless the Indians get a haul for Cabrera, I don't see the reason for selling so low on Cho. Iud the Diamondbacks are involved in Cabrera talks, I'd try and flip him for Upton, then flip Upton to Texas for some pitching and maybe Mike Olt.

Not too unreasonable. Dbacks want a shortstop, Cabrera furs the bill. Indians would either get a short term upgrade over Choo, or more top shelf prospects for flipping him to add on the rumored.Gregorious addition being bandied about.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Love Choo. Would love him on the Reds even though it leaves the without a true CF. But goddamn Stubbs is awful and I'd be so excited to see him gone.

[Triple Naitch]

But Choo is only signed through 2013. Is it worth the gamble?

[Innovator]

God dammit.

[Wehttam]

shin sue chew is the goods

[ClockShot]

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK!

Oh, and, "Bye, bye Youk's beard. Bye, bye Youk's beard. Bye, bye Youk's beard. We love to see it go."

[ClockShot]

Update to the D-Backs, Indians, Reds trade:

The D-Backs want Didi Gregorius. They have zero interest in Asdrubal Cabrera. They're willing to send some young pitching to Cleveland to make it happen.

Brandon McCarthy to the D-Backs. 2-years, $15.5 mil.

[Triple Naitch]

This will suffice.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/927/310/uspw_6579162_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Brandon McCarthy to the D-Backs. 2-years, $15.5 mil.

How convenient for Joseph RoXer

[Supreme Olajuwon]

But Choo is only signed through 2013. Is it worth the gamble?

I think so. Stubbs is a negative commodity IMO so I don't have any desire to see him stay. I love Didi and the many ways to play on his last name but they've got Cozart.

It fixes their main problem which was leadoff hitter so why the eff not.

Plus they got Billy Hamilton coming in 2014 if Choo leaves.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://blog.deconcept.com/images/2005/02/choo.jpg

[Triple Naitch]

I bent my wookie. :'(

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Shincinnati Reds!

[RoXer]

How convenient for Joseph RoXer

I can't remember which of my favorite team's players are on which team.

It's a big blur.

[Triple Naitch]

Wait, doesn't Peter Frampton live outside of Cincinnati?

"I want Chooooooooo show me the way. Everyday."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah he comes into this place where my friend works all the time. Allegedly he's an amazing tipper.

[Triple Naitch]

They gotta use him this summer.

[The Condor]

We have to wait one more year for Billy Hamilton? Damn, I want to see what he can do in the big leagues.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He's switching positions this offseason and hasn't played at AAA yet.

[The Condor]

He was an SS, right?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ya, but not a very good one. So they're moving him to CF where he doesn't have to make offbalanced throws to 1st and he should probably be nasty.

[The Condor]

I look forward to it, he ought to be able to cover a shit load of ground.

[Damian Rey]

Choo if definitely worth moving some pieces for. The Reds have a window to legitimately win a world title. They'll have Hamilton ready to step in the following year. Worth the gamble, imo.

[YOUR Hero]

I loves me some Shin-Choo

[Damian Rey]

Shit just got real. Choo to the Reds, Gregarious or whatever his name is to the Dbacks, and Bauer and Stubbs to the tribe.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Kevin Towers is fucking nuts for giving up Bauer.</font>

[Damian Rey]

Big time. I like the ss he got, but Bauer is a huge get for Cleveland.

[Frank Drebin]

We have to wait one more year for Billy Hamilton? Damn, I want to see what he can do in the big leagues.

Its called a Tony Campana if you call him up right now

[The Condor]

Tribe will remain mired in mediocrity and perpetuating nothing more than their current state of blah. That's honestly how I feel about this trade. Awesome for the Reds though.

[Frank Drebin]

Wanted to say im so happy that all the yankee fans have taken to youk so quickly.

Had no idea Lars Anderson was still around. Thought he went on to dead prospect island with other indians like Andy Marte and Matt Laporta.

[The Condor]

Its called a Tony Campana if you call him up right now

For some reason Joey Gathright came to mind.

[Dragon]

Tribe will remain mired in mediocrity and perpetuating nothing more than their current state of blah. That's honestly how I feel about this trade. Awesome for the Reds though.

They just got one of the best pitching prospects in baseball for a guy that had one year left on his contract. This seems like a great trade for the Indians considering Choo was probably gone after next year.

[Frank Drebin]

For some reason Joey Gathright came to mind.

Him too. Was looking for an active player.

[The Condor]

Key word: prospect

[screech]

Wanted to say im so happy that all the yankee fans have taken to youk so quickly.

Had no idea Lars Anderson was still around. Thought he went on to dead prospect island with other indians like Andy Marte and Matt Laporta.

Matt Laporta. I remember his crazy hype

[Frank Drebin]

Matt Laporta. I remember his crazy hype

I was all like, woah....brewers just gave up the next Todd Helton for half a year of CC. Turns out it was just Russell Branyan or Jack Cust.

[RoXer]

Didi Gregorius

[RoXer]

That's a name that's bound for failure

[RoXer]

Right next to Rubby De La Rosa

[Frank Drebin]

Yanks should just gang rape youk the first day of training camp and send the pics to espnboston.com

[Triple Naitch]

Batting 8th for your Arizona Diamondbacks....

http://members.tripod.com/~baker_ryann/images/didi.jpg

[Skippord]

glad the D'Backs did that since I like Trevor Bauer and am legally obligated to hate the D'Backs

[Frank Drebin]

Didi Gregorius

I yearn for the days of Tim Spooneybarger or Jung Bong.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Gregorious D.I.D.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I.

[DaveWadding]

Batting 8th for your Arizona Diamondbacks....

http://members.tripod.com/~baker_ryann/images/didi.jpg

This is exactly what I thought of...:'( :lol:

[weather vane]

Fuck you Youkillis.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Youk is a very good player, but I can't say I blame Yankee fans for the outrage. This is the equivalent of fucking Shane Victorino signing with the Mets or something.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Or the equivalent of Johnny Damon signing with the Yankees

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble

[weather vane]

Fuck Yankee fans.

[Emperor Smeat]

Surprised Youkilis didn't even bother to see if the Reds would be interested considering he's mentioned a few times before his goal is to play for them before he retires (childhood team).

Only reason the Reds dropped out of trade talks during the season was because they didn't want to give up anything for him when his value was really low.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

plus they kinda got a 1st and 3rd baseman lined up for the foreseeable future

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Still see Youk's dad on tv every day cause he owns one of those gold coin shops

[YOUR Hero]

Kevin Towers is fucking nuts for giving up Bauer.

what I've read is he was stubborn and found himself in the doghouse (petting Upton)

[YOUR Hero]

so a move may have been in order

[Evil Vito]

Dickey gives another ultimatum-like message to the Mets to either get a extension done or he's walking after the next season. Mets gave a new offer but hint a trade might end up occurring very soon.

<font color=goldenrod>Dickey's asking price is still well below market value. I don't blame him at all for being pissed off.

At the same time, nobody is offering what the Mets want in trade. So I honestly see Dickey simply starting the year as a Met and then either being traded at the deadline (assuming they fall out of it) or leaving at the end of the year.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Alderson actually was just quoted as saying that the bulk of the teams' offseason acquisitions are finished and that what they have now will probably be their Opening Day roster.

:| But Sandy...you haven't acquired anybody! They've made, like, 5 moves this offseason and all of them were for minor league depth.

I'm wondering if Alderson has any actual power in the Mets organization. It seems like he's just a talking head for the Wilpons. The only move he's made during his tenure was the Wheeler trade, which every GM in baseball would have done in the same position. Fans are hoping they'll make some big investments once Johan, Bay, etc. come off the books this year. But what about last offseason when Beltran, Perez, K-Rod, Castillo etc. came off the books? The Wilpons simply pocketed the extra money rather than spend it.

If Selig weren't friends with the Wilpons, he'd have forced him out by now just like he forced McCourt out of LA.</font>

[Evil Vito]

what I've read is he was stubborn and found himself in the doghouse (petting Upton)

<font color=goldenrod>Trading Upton would have been a huge mistake for them.</font>

[Damian Rey]

I also think the whole "dog house" thing with Upton is absurd. The guy is a legitimate stud. The Dbacks seeming obsession to deal him is mind boggling to me. I'd take Upton over anyone on the Padres.

With that said, I'm glad to see Towers got what he was looking for because now I don't have to watch Bauer carve through the Padres.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>"The Mets, meanwhile, have mounting concerns whether all of Dickey’s off-the-field endeavors could impact his on-field results or his standing in the clubhouse if the perception is that he has become too absorbed with his new celebrity."

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/sports/2012/12/6846099/too-absorbed-his-new-celebrity-sliming-ra-dickey

R.A. Dickey, you are clearly a terrible person for visiting sick children and climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro for sex trafficking awareness. Now sign the Mets' lowball offer or else!

Seriously, fuck this franchise.</font>

[Damian Rey]

Clubhouse Confidential estimated.Dickey could legit get $15-$16 mil a year. Mets should just pony up the dough. I doubt they what they're looking for in a trade.

[ClockShot]

Indians are going after Nick Swisher now that Shin-Soo Choo got traded.

I'll bet they overpay for him, big time.

[Damian Rey]

What would you consider as over paid? Swish does a little of everything, especially offensively. Solid average, draws walks, hits for power. $12-$15 mil seems reasonable to me.

[Frank Drebin]

Red flag on swish is his attitude. Got himself run out of Chicago and new York for pouting.

[Damian Rey]

I've never heard of Swish having attitude. I couldn't care less about attitude. He's not getting paid to be a nice guy. He gets paid to hit, and he does that more than well enough.

[Innovator]

Red flag on swish is his attitude. Got himself run out of Chicago and new York for pouting.
You can't go public in New York saying the fans were mean to you.

[YOUR Hero]

Why is Ryan Dempster still unsigned?

Did I miss something about him being hurt or suddenly awful

[ClockShot]

Swisher said he wants Jayson Werth money. Let's face it, he's a great guy, but he ain't worth that much.

[ClockShot]

Why is Ryan Dempster still unsigned?

Did I miss something about him being hurt or suddenly awful

He wants 3 years. BoSox offered him 2/$25 mil. and he rejected it. They're still in talks last time I heard.

[Triple Naitch]

Swisher said he wants Jayson Werth money. Let's face it, he's a great guy, but he ain't worth that much.

Neither is Werth. That's why he feels entitled to it.

[ClockShot]

That's what happens when Scott Boras is your agent.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It makes sense for the Indians to go after Swisher since their first round pick is protected next year. I can't see a scenario in which Swisher is worth forfeiting a first round pick otherwise.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

would be funny if Boras' hardballing backfires and Swisher has to take a cheap 1 year deal like Madson had to do last year

[Damian Rey]

Edwin Jackson had to do the same, also.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Boras is massively overrated. He gets plenty of megadeals for his clients, but he also screws a bunch of them over.</font>

[Frank Drebin]

You can't go public in New York saying the fans were mean to you.

Bingo. Inno knows.

[The Fraze]

Torres is back...awesome!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Glad somebody else took Torres. The Mets were rumored to be considering bringing him back, which baffled me as he was nothing short of useless.

I hope Sandy takes his thumb out of his ass and gets an outfielder...because if the season started today, the Opening Day outfield would features Lucas Duda, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, and Mike Baxter. YEAHHHHHHHHHH WORLD SERIES WOOOOO!<?font>

[screech]

Just read that Ichiro turned down two years/$14 million from the Phillies.

Would have been cool to have him.

[screech]

Hilarious to read the comments on these updates from locals.

"We don't need another outfielder who has no power."

Had similar comments about the revere trade.

I guess that's the only way teams score runs.

[Frank Drebin]

Screech....in your opinion are phillies fans as bad as they are perceived? Seems like its always a bad Apple or two spoils the basket.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Josh Hamilton signs with the Angels. Whoa.</font>

[Hanso Amore]

WHAT THE FUCK ANGELS

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Offer Trumbo for Dickey. Offer Trumbo for Dickey. Please for the love of god Angels, offer Trumbo for Dickey.</font>

:shifty:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Angels have apparently already said Trumbo will not be moved. :(

All of the writers are now linking Dickey to Bourjos. Really? Bourjos? He's a great fielder...but he literally sucks at everything else. The Mets actually need to get back some sort of offense in a trade for Dickey.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Hamilton's deal is 5 years, $125 million. Good lord.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Ryan Dempster signs with the Red Sox. 2 years, $26.5 million deal.

[The Condor]

Hot fucking stove!

[The Condor]

5 years isn't perfect but it's better than 7 for the Angels.

[Frank Drebin]

Wonder if we get one move move before bed time tonight.

Both LA teams just going balls out here.

Demp never got his 3 year deal. Thought he was gonna hold out for one.

[Innovator]

HOT FUCKING STOVE BABY WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>Angels have apparently already said Trumbo will not be moved. :(

All of the writers are now linking Dickey to Bourjos. Really? Bourjos? He's a great fielder...but he literally sucks at everything else. The Mets actually need to get back some sort of offense in a trade for Dickey.</font>

Hes 38. On a short contract.

Hes not going to get you much of anything. Bourjos and a mid level prospect is about the best you can hope for.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's expected that any team acquiring Dickey would want an exclusive window to negotiate an extension. The Mets are trying to give him a 2 year extension and the buzz around baseball is that Dickey would get similar contract from any team in baseball. Because he's a knuckler, nobody really is afraid of locking him up through 2015. Even if he regresses a bit, he's expected to be durable.

But the Mets would be better served hammering out an extension and making Dickey a part of the long-term solution than selling him for a guy who, at best, would be a lateral move. They already have Captain Kirk in the Majors plus Matt dek Dekker in the minors who are exactly the same kind of player as Bourjos.</font>

[Adder]

Read that there may be a Trumbo for Dickey deal in the works. Be surprised if the Angels gave up Trumbo, but them again, they now have a guy by the name of Hamilton playing for them, and they do need pitching.

Just had a thought.
Wonder if the Rays are still looking to move a pitcher for ?? a guy like Trumbo.

[Hanso Amore]

Doubt the Rays move any more pitching after Shield/Davis.

[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>It's expected that any team acquiring Dickey would want an exclusive window to negotiate an extension. The Mets are trying to give him a 2 year extension and the buzz around baseball is that Dickey would get similar contract from any team in baseball. Because he's a knuckler, nobody really is afraid of locking him up through 2015. Even if he regresses a bit, he's expected to be durable.

But the Mets would be better served hammering out an extension and making Dickey a part of the long-term solution than selling him for a guy who, at best, would be a lateral move. They already have Captain Kirk in the Majors plus Matt dek Dekker in the minors who are exactly the same kind of player as Bourjos.</font>

Making Dickey at 38 any kind of "LONG TERM" solution would be t he worst thing for the Mets.

Though I doubt they can get much right now in return for Dickey (nothing top notch) they could deal him at the deadline for a nice return.

The Mets are 3 years away from competing for a Wild Card. They need to focus on that window. And I know Dickey is a knuckleballer. But he would be going on 42.

Just not going to do it for them.

Dealing him to the Angels makes perfect sense. But they will have to accept that they wont get a bounty.

[The Condor]

I know it won't happen but I wish we could dump Phil Hughes for Trumbo. Need a young bat and Phil Hughes is an abortion. And throw Joba in the deal too.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I agree. I wish my team could trade away bad players and get good ones back.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Oh wait they just did that!

CHOO CHOOOOOOO

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I don't think the Mets are 3 years away. I think they have enough young talent to make a Wild Card push in 2014 assuming Wheeler gets some big league seasoning in 2013 (as many are expecting he will). They'll have Dickey as the veteran stabilizer and then Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, and Gee behind him.

Not to mention other young arms (Familia, Mejia, etc.) firmly entrenched in the bullpen. Plus I think Duda and Captain Kirk have a shitload of potential. The problem the Mets have is they are notorious for stunting development of their young players by yo-yo'ing them between the Majors and Minors constantly. But they never seem to be able to fully commit to tanking a season for the sake of letting the kids play. They've contradicted themselves to many times as to what their plan is going forward. Just let this crop of young guys spend 2013 in The Show.

They'll have plenty of payroll space available for 2014 as well with contracts coming off the books, so they can actually go out and get a free agent or two to help supplement the promising young guys that they have. My only concern is that the Wilpons might end up pussying out and pocketing all the extra cash they'll have.</font>

[screech]

Screech....in your opinion are phillies fans as bad as they are perceived? Seems like its always a bad Apple or two spoils the basket.

The minority is that group you always hear about: throwing snowballs at Santa, cheering opponent injuries, throwing mustard packets at manager's grandkids (08 WS), stuff like that.

For the most part, though, it's not that bad. The smallest, most idiotic group speaks loudest, however.

[Frank Drebin]

Wonder if we get one more move before bed time tonight.

Yup. Cubs welcome Anibal Sanchez. 5 yrs / $75 mil

[ClockShot]

Angels and Dodgers are the new Jones' of the MLB. They're gonna try to out-do each other for years to come.

Mark Walter: "Hey Arte! We just signed Zack Greinke! WE RULE THIS TOWN!"

Arte Moreno: "Oh yeah? Well, we just signed Josh Hamilton! We stuck it you AND Texas. WHATCHA THINK ABOUT THAT?!"

Mark: "Hmmmm. NED! WHO'S LEFT ON THE MARKET WE CAN SIGN?!"

[ClockShot]

Yankees retain Ichiro. 2-years, between $12-$13 mil.

Meh. 1 year too many. But what's done is done.

[Frank Drebin]

uh oh....Sanchez deal isnt done. Another Haren/Marmol fuck up?

[Hanso Amore]

Yankees retain Ichiro. 2-years, between $12-$13 mil.

Meh. 1 year too many. But what's done is done.


PER YEAR or TOTAL?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Love Ichiro so much. If the Yankees win a title in the next 2 seasons, I can at least take solace that Ichiro won a ring.</font>

[ClockShot]

PER YEAR or TOTAL?

Always total.

[Hanso Amore]

thank god. I was about say say 13 million a year for Ichiros corpse would be crazy

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Prom Night Dempster Babies

[Frank Drebin]

Latest is Cubs are now out on Sanchez with the Tigers getting him back sometime today.

Was surprised at the move to begin with, but this is starting a bizarre trend where they have a deal, then it breaks down super fast. Wondering "WTF?"

[ClockShot]

Tigers keep Anibal Sanchez. 5-years, $80 mil. Theo Epstein offered him $77 mil., but Sanchez gave the Tigers a chance to match it.

Royals sign Xavier Nady to a minor league deal.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Dickey may be getting moved very soon. The Mets say the Blue Jays have made an offer they will accept if a better offer doesn't come through.

Rangers, Angels, and Orioles have put in offers.</font>

[Innovator]

Blue Jays. Stop it.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>If it's the Jays, pleeeeeease let it be d'Arnaud.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Apparently it's Arencibia and Gose......


Thanks for giving up our Cy Young Award winner for spare parts, Sandy</font> :y:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Trade talks are stalling cause the Jays want Dickey to sign an extension immediately. Dickey doesn't want to do it.

Stick to your guns, Dickey. You're welcome on my team any day.</font>

[Damian Rey]

Gose has legit upside. Far from a spare part.

[ClockShot]

Francesa should be fun to listen to on Sunday Morning Football is this goes down.

[ClockShot]

We got hit with the luxury tax.......again. $18.9 mil. payable to MLB.

Boston just missed it by $47k. The Boston Bailout saved their ass.

[Droford]

<font color=goldenrod>Dickey may be getting moved very soon. The Mets say the Blue Jays have made an offer they will accept if a better offer doesn't come through.

Rangers, Angels, and Orioles have put in offers.</font>
The only players the o's have with any trade value are machado and Bundy and if the O's are dumb enough to trade either for one year of a over the hill knuckleballer then I might just quit watching baseball. If they can get dickey for anyone else then they should do it, but I can't see the Mets making a deal that doesn't include Bundy or machado.

[The Condor]

Dickey is good, but anyone who trades an A prospect for him is wrongheaded. It won't be worth it, and I don't really believe in the entire "prospect (insert name here) can be the next big thing" philosophy.

[Droford]

Dylan Bundy will be in the o's rotation by the all star break. He's about as much of the real deal as the o's have had in a pitching prospect in forever..

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Red Sox sign Cum Dumpster... hooray :-\

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Now they're saying D'Arnaud IS involved, but it won't be completed tonight.

D'Arnaud is one of the few guys I'd be happy trading Dickey for. He's gonna be a stud.</font>

[The Condor]

I hope Dumpster turns out to be a newer, less lengthy train wreck like Lackey.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

We got hit with the luxury tax.......again. $18.9 mil. payable to MLB.

Boston just missed it by $47k. The Boston Bailout saved their ass.

Haw-haw. Oh wait you don't have to pay that. So, who gives a fuck?

[YOUR Hero]

If Dickey won't sign an extension immediately. Screw him. Jays don't need to give into him. FFS

Not against Dickey by any means, but I hate seeing these legit prospects going for a huge gamble. I'd love to see the Jays swing a deal with the Dodgers and thier surplus.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think the BJ's can get Dickey extended if enough money changes hands.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Seriously though, his agent is now saying he's totally open to getting a 2 year extension with any team.</font>

[The Condor]

BJ's are really going balls to the wall here, and I can respect that from a team that hasn't made the playoffs in two decades. They've been decent for those 20 years, if they were in any other division they probably would have some playoff berths under their belts. Good for them and their fanbase.

[Bad News Gertner]

<font color=goldenrod>Apparently it's Arencibia and Gose......


Thanks for giving up our Cy Young Award winner for spare parts, Sandy</font> :y:

Enjoy Joey Gathright and Rod Barajas.

[Innovator]

Dickey should just come to the Yankees. 39 is close to the average age.