Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

[Rammsteinmad]

It's not even the fact that they're launching their universe in one movie like this.

The whole thing will pretty much be Batman and Superman. Even if they have a full Justice League roster on their hands, nobody gives a fuck about Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern etc.

And before any nerds get sand in their vaginas, I mean, "everyone" as in, the casual moviegoer, and no, I'm not an expert and I don't have quotes or sources or anything to validate my claims. But DC have always been shit at handling their characters outside of their main two. And yes, Batman and Superman are pretty much the two greatest comic book heroes of all time... but other than that... Aquaman? Who gives a shit.

Marvel has always been better at handling and taking risks with their characters. I mean, fucking hell we had a Guardians of the Galaxy film (which was a huge hit) before we even saw Wonder Woman on the big screen.

I like DC, it's just... DC sucks.

[slik]

I like Aquaman lol.

He's actually pretty cool.

[slik]

I think this will surprise people. I think DC took their time to carefully craft all of this while not paying attention to Marvel tbh (and I love Marvel too, I think both DC and Marvel are great).

[slik]

All that said, I really want to see a Batman film set in a different time period for some reason...like a Batman film set in the 40s, 50s, 70s or 80s for some reason.

[Rammsteinmad]

Nope. You're wrong. :p

[Blonde Moment]

I like DC, it's just... DC sucks.

They are better off trying to stick with TV because at least their failures will cost them less. Aside from Batman, Superman and at one time the Teen Titians their superhero comics sucked on a continuous basis and it seemed like their Vertigo line was the only thing keeping them afloat, until they fucked that up.

[GD]

I am keeping my expectations low since it is directed by Zack mothertuckin' Snyder.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

A wise approach.

[McLegend]

Batman V Superman is going to be 151 minutes long.

That's about 2.5 hours.

[Ruien]

It's not even the fact that they're launching their universe in one movie like this.

The whole thing will pretty much be Batman and Superman. Even if they have a full Justice League roster on their hands, nobody gives a fuck about Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern etc.

And before any nerds get sand in their vaginas, I mean, "everyone" as in, the casual moviegoer, and no, I'm not an expert and I don't have quotes or sources or anything to validate my claims. But DC have always been shit at handling their characters outside of their main two. And yes, Batman and Superman are pretty much the two greatest comic book heroes of all time... but other than that... Aquaman? Who gives a shit.

Marvel has always been better at handling and taking risks with their characters. I mean, fucking hell we had a Guardians of the Galaxy film (which was a huge hit) before we even saw Wonder Woman on the big screen.

I like DC, it's just... DC sucks.

Flash was always popular though. Or was he not part of the Justice League?

[Rammsteinmad]

Flash was always popular though. Or was he not part of the Justice League?

Honest question, how many people outside of comic fans know/care about the Flash?

You think Mike Someone down the road gives a flying fuck about Barry Allen? Or whoever's the Flash these days. Not saying he's not a good character or anything, just saying, DC is basically Batman and Superman. Everyone else is like todays WWE roster to John Cena and Triple H.

[slik]

Flash is well known from being in a lot of cartoons over the years and his TV show does well.

[JimmyMess]

yeah flashpoint is one of my favourite animated features

[Wishbone]

Honest question, how many people outside of comic fans know/care about the Flash?

You think Mike Someone down the road gives a flying fuck about Barry Allen? Or whoever's the Flash these days. Not saying he's not a good character or anything, just saying, DC is basically Batman and Superman. Everyone else is like todays WWE roster to John Cena and Triple H.

Dude, Flash is a very big deal. Outside the big three (Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman) he is probably the biggest hero in the mainstream public. I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't know the Flash. They often don't know his secret identity or any of his villains, but people do recognize the Flash himself. Also with the current TV show doing as well as it is he's definitely got an even bigger presence now. Your comparison of Batman and Superman to Cena and Triple H doesn't really work. I'd say Batman is Macho Man, Superman is Hulk Hogan, and Wonder Woman is Andre the Giant. And if that's the case then I'd say Flash is probably Roddy Pipper in this equation.

[Lock Jaw]

Which rassler is Green Lantern

[Rammsteinmad]

Dude, Flash is a very big deal. Outside the big three (Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman) he is probably the biggest hero in the mainstream public. I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't know the Flash. They often don't know his secret identity or any of his villains, but people do recognize the Flash himself. Also with the current TV show doing as well as it is he's definitely got an even bigger presence now. Your comparison of Batman and Superman to Cena and Triple H doesn't really work. I'd say Batman is Macho Man, Superman is Hulk Hogan, and Wonder Woman is Andre the Giant. And if that's the case then I'd say Flash is probably Roddy Pipper in this equation.

When you say "biggest hero in the mainstream public", you're sticking to DC characters, right?

That may be the case, and I'm not saying aren't familiar with "The Flash", but come on... I could name drop Wonder Woman to somebody, they'd know what I'm referring to, but would have no idea of her real name, powers, villains... pretty much anything other than the name itself and that she's a comic book superhero.

[Ruien]

I would have had no idea who or what Green Arrow was before the TV series (Well, Smallville technically). Same thing with people like Black Panther from Marvel. But I have never met anyone that didn't know who Flash is.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I'd say The Flash is pretty common knowledge.

Not sure about Green Lantern. Think a lot of people have probably heard about him, but have no idea who he is, what he looks like, or what his powers are. The Flash they would probably know "he runs fast".

[Kalyx triaD]

I think his point is when Superman and Batman is mentioned to some easy going casual they will know the secret identity, the origin, key villains, personality, etc. Guys like Flash, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman are still getting to that Santa Claus level of recognition.

I mean, sure my mom know of the Flash. But she doesn't know him like she knows Superman and Batman and Spider-Man. They transcend their own universes. People know Peter Parker the icon and can't even tell you if he's marvel or DC. He's bigger than that. These guys are fucking modern mythology.

THAT is what he means. It's not just that people know who the Flash is, it's that Superman and Batman are literally on par with Jesus in recognition of character and lore to the common person. Just like John Cena, Rock, and Hogan are known by non wrestling fans.

[Reavant]

Ive heard people who are not comic fans in the least say phrases like "run like the flash" or "like the flash" regarding something fast. When your character permeates to the subconscious of society then you are a pretty big deal.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm sure normal people know Undertaker's 'the zombie guy' too.

[Kalyx triaD]

And I've never heard anybody but people in the know reference the Flash when making a speed analogy. My mom would never say 'that boy is fast like the Flash'. She would totally say 'he's strong like superman' or 'sneaky like batman'.

*Using my mother as a hypothetical non-nerd person. Though she's more in the know than most for real.

[Wishbone]

When you say "biggest hero in the mainstream public", you're sticking to DC characters, right?

That may be the case, and I'm not saying aren't familiar with "The Flash", but come on... I could name drop Wonder Woman to somebody, they'd know what I'm referring to, but would have no idea of her real name, powers, villains... pretty much anything other than the name itself and that she's a comic book superhero.

Yes, when I said biggest hero in the mainstream public I was in fact referring to DC properties only. If we're including all heroes you could add Spider-Man and probably Wolverine to that list, though Wolverine would likely be more in the Flash camp of "slightly lesser known."

That said knowing villains, backstory, etc doesn't really matter here. Hell, I'd argue that there are just as many people that don't know that much about Batman or Superman as you're implying. Yeah, their origins and secret identities are really well known, but outside Lex Luthor and the Joker I doubt the average Joe could name many other villains that the two have. Hell, I'm a comic geek for the most part and I can really only name a few Superman exclusive villains. Brainiac, Lex, Doomsday, and... Yeah, I think that's all I can name off the top of my head.

Fact is Flash is very cemented in the popular culture of today. The fact that the name "the Flash" is known at all by people outside the comic book fandom shows that. He has transcended comics. Maybe not to the same level as Batman and Superman, but then again who has? Outside of Spider-Man I honestly can't think of anyone with that kind of exposure. Those three are on a whole different level. We've made the comparisons to wrestlers here, well, I'd say that Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man are like Hulk Hogan or the Rock. The ones who basically everyone knows no matter what. However, there are plenty of wrestlers that have a ton of name recognition outside that as well. Macho Man, Andre, Stone Cold, etc all fall into this category. I'd argue that Wonder Woman, Flash, and Wolverine fall here. Pretty much everyone knows the name and at least a little about them.

[Wishbone]

Which rassler is Green Lantern

Hurricane obviously :shifty:

[Wishbone]

I think his point is when Superman and Batman is mentioned to some easy going casual they will know the secret identity, the origin, key villains, personality, etc. Guys like Flash, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman are still getting to that Santa Claus level of recognition.

I mean, sure my mom know of the Flash. But she doesn't know him like she knows Superman and Batman and Spider-Man. They transcend their own universes. People know Peter Parker the icon and can't even tell you if he's marvel or DC. He's bigger than that. These guys are fucking modern mythology.

THAT is what he means. It's not just that people know who the Flash is, it's that Superman and Batman are literally on par with Jesus in recognition of character and lore to the common person. Just like John Cena, Rock, and Hogan are known by non wrestling fans.

Like I said in my other reply. Knowing someone's villains isn't really that big a deal. I don't even know very many villains of heroes I don't personally follow like Superman. Plus name recognition and knowledge of powers and look are really more than enough to say that character has transcended their medium. Most people probably don't know all that much about Mickey Mouse, but I guarantee you almost anyone would know who you're talking about even if all you did was draw that dumb silhouette of his head.

Also that is LOL worthy how you mentioned Cena there. If Flash isn't considered mainstream then Cena certianly isn't. I've never met anyone outside of wrestling fans that knew anything about Cena other than his name and that he was "that wrestler guy," and even that is rare. I've seen more people that don't have a clue about Cena than I have ones that did.

[Lock Jaw]

Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.

[slik]

Green Lantern is BO DALLAS except in the upper mid-card. To be a Green Lantern you have to BOlieve in yourself real strong @lockjaw_83

[KIRA]

Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.

Batman alone not at all

Superman in the mix yea

[The Rogerer]

He gets his cock out

[Sixx]

fucks jimmy olsen

[drave]

Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.


Doesn't seem like it. Wasn't there a storyline where Superman basically equivocated himself to God and decided to be a giant douche? Isn't that (very loosely) what this movie touches on?

I've not followed anything about it.

[VSG]

Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.

Featuring a Pornhub porn spoof as a DVD extra.

[Emperor Smeat]

Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.

Easily done with some swears and/or extra violence like longer and brutal fight scenes to make that possible.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

And blood. Blood and some f bombs would do the trick.

[mitchables]

Yeah, I'd say The Flash is pretty common knowledge.

Not sure about Green Lantern. Think a lot of people have probably heard about him, but have no idea who he is, what he looks like, or what his powers are. The Flash they would probably know "he runs fast".

movie world decided that green lantern was well known enough to deserve his own ROLLER COASTER

BEHOLD

http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa419/CheetahHunt/GWL/IMG_2411_zpsa5e39392.jpg

pretty sure it broke down recently with a bunch of people stuck on it

[Fignuts]

Please tell me they were upside down when it broke

[mitchables]

nah but the back wheels of the cart had come off the rails at a corner up the top

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/cc24a8833a2b4dca65478986996e00f3?width=650

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/according-to-rescuers-gold-coast-movie-worlds-green-lantern-breakdown-was-a-catastrophic-failure/news-story/e7db25d195fe4a36d2686f396323ae63

[Reavant]

thats terrifying

[slik]

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman rated R.


No, there is plenty of R-Rated material in the Comics. Some of the best known are probably The Killing Joke and Year One - but there are plenty others. Bats can get a tad on the dark side.

[Malfeitor]

I got my advanced screening pass.

STOKED.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Brother bought us tickets to a lovely 1015am screening, California time. That way if it sucks trying to get out after it's over won't be such a task.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the film's producer, the home version of the film was confirmed to be R-rated and due to the fight scenes going on longer than allowed for a PG-13 rating.

The extended scenes themselves won't be any different than the theatrical version, just them lasting longer is what triggered the ratings change.

Producer Charles Roven says these scenes will not be gratuitous. In fact, he explains that the "intensity" of the violence in the extended cut matches what you'll see in theaters. An R-rating was imposed, then, because the scenes go on longer, thus, in theory at least, dialing up the potency even further.

"There's not a lot of blood in our movies," he said. "The ratings board also judges their PG-13 and R ratings by what they consider to be a level of intensity and how much that intensity goes throughout the entire movie. There are some pretty intense scenes in Batman v Superman, and if they went on longer and had that same level of intensity, that might cause the ratings board to shift their rating."
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/batman-v-superman-r-rated-version-confirmed-heres-/1100-6435365/

[Wishbone]

Lol at that news on the R-rated version. :lol:

[JimmyMess]

the plot preview on the website for a local cinema has Russell Crowe in the cast... I'm assuming that is a mistake?

[Disturbed316]

Flashback to Jor El maybe?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Got my hands on a leaked copy of the score. Thought it was fucking brilliant.

[Kalyx triaD]

How's the new Batman theme?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I like it. It's not overbearing.

[McLegend]

I don't know what it is, but....

Warner Brothers has warned people of a major spoiler that's made its way online.


Also makes me think of any rumor ever heard about this movie is true... Maybe I'm wrong.

[Sixx]

wonder what the spoiler is

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I haven't seen it myself but... apparently it's a photo of Supes laying flat on his back with S symbol burnt through, looking dead as a doorknob

[Sixx]

oh... well I just read some different kind of spoilers. nothing really shocking, though.

[Reavant]

I saw a spoiler from a lego set for the movie

[JimmyMess]

R-Rated version of BvsS is over 3 hours... I love comic book movies, so I can never get enough! a Lord of the Rings length Batman/Supes movie? I'm in. Full tits!

[Rammsteinmad]

Will that be the version that is released in cinemas?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Pg13

[Wishbone]

Just won some pre-screening tickets to this from a local radio station. Showing is on Tuesday apparently. Guess I'll let y'all know if it turns out to be "meh" like I predicted, or if it pulls something out of its ass and ends up being decent.

[GD]

Going to watch the damn show in glorious IMAX 3D format on Friday. I have extremely low expectations.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Early Twitter reactions have been positive. Because I dgaf about spoilers I've read some leaks and honestly, if true, the story sounds far better than Man of Steel. However, that's just words on a message board, so who know how it's actually going to come across.

Tomorrow at 6pm pst will be judgement day, as WB will lift the critic and fan embargo, and reviews will flood in. So we will actually see how if at all it is an improvement over Man of Steel.

[slik]

Reading some very positive tweets about B vs S

People really seem to like Wonder Woman & Batman

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I've read the same. It is fan reaction though, which could be misleading. I'm eager to see the critical takes hit Rotten Tomatoes tomorrow.

[Rammsteinmad]

Yeah, I went onto IMDB to see if it had any ratings yet. With about 4,000 votes, it had 9.5. However, I then read some of the reviews and most of the ones I read were people rating it 9/10 without even seeing the film. Their reviews full of terms like "apparently it will have Wonder Woman in it which will be awesome...".

So yeah.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Don't worry, I'll try to be first to post reviews here. I will say that I love the score and felt that part was nailed. But I liked the last score and it ended up being better than the movie.

[Crimson]

One cannot go to IMDB to gauge a movie. Every single movie has at least one "omg worst movie ever" thread in it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

You should see the Superhero Hype boards. They're the shit stain of message boards. Overreaction, bickering, fighting, fan boy arguments. It's the fucking worst.

A negative review of a movie and the world is ending, or a critic gives a movie they love a bad review, that critic is bias, has it out for the director/character/genre.

[Kalyx triaD]

Can't be worse than neogaf.

[mitch_h]

There are some thoughtful fan reviews on letterboxd

https://letterboxd.com/film/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/

[slik]

If Batman vs Superman came out in 1995

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

Haha that was good.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Two Spanish reviewers posted negative listings on Rotten tomatoes, breaking the embargo. Nothing else has surfaced from any other critics on RT.

About 40 minutes away from said embargo lifting and seeing if Zack Snyder made a universally well received film or of it's another divisive effort typical of Snyder's resume.

[Malfeitor]

I loved it. It didn't feel congested to me like some reviews claimed. I was invested all of the way through. Seeing it again on Thursday.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It was getting slaughtered to start. 3% to start now in the low b40s. Man of Steel landed at at 56%. Granted it's still early, but the same issues Snyder failed on in MoS seemingly are still presently active in BvS, except it's bigger and louder.

[Wishbone]

Just got back from this, and I've got a little bit of a review. No spoilers for plot either so read on if you're interested in my opinion.

I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, and I was definitely wrong about this movie... mostly. It improves from Man of Steel in pretty much every way. It didn't feel like a cluster fuck either which was one of my biggest concerns. Ben Affleck as Batman was also really great. I feel like he did a million times better than I ever expected him to, and Henry Cavill or whatever his name is was much better as Superman in this IMHO. Michael Cera was also amazing in his role in the movie. Total surprise from him. The fight scenes were also really good. The way they shot them it actually felt like something straight out of the comics, especially the final fight which was just awesome.

However, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. There was still a lot wrong with the movie. For starters the casting on many characters is still shit. Wonder Woman was waaaay too tiny, and no I don't care if that's a "nitpick," I refuse to accept it, especially when Batman and Superman look so accurate to the comics. Her acting was also pretty meh IMO, and her accent bugged me for some reason. Flash also looks like a greasy little weasel that I just want to punch in the ball sack. I was also right when I said Batman was waaay too brutal and violent in the trailers. There were times in this movie that I felt like I was watching the Punisher instead of Batman. [tiny spoiler, but nothing plot related] I mean Batman kills like literally dozens of people in this without even batting an eye, and he does so with guns galore. GUNS! WTF, Batman, you're breaking both of your biggest rules like they mean nothing?! Of course I'm hoping they explain this in a future movie. Maybe it'll turn out that Robin died and it pushed him over the edge? IDK, Alfred does say "things HAVE changed" to him at one point so yeah... [/end of spoilers]

Overall this was a pleasant surprise of a movie. I'd say it deserves like an 7.5/10. Not perfect, but far from the abomination I was expecting, and leagues better than Man of Steel.

[drave]

Re: Your minor Batman spoilers...


WTF?!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

So, the critical reception is worse than Man of Steel so far. I wonder if it doesn't turn around if WB will delay justice league and find a new front man. They've thrown an awful lot of money at Snyder and for him to turn around and deliver back to back turds with their marquee characters isn't good.

Even if the movie makes money, you can't bank on a franchise that's not producing quality films. Especially when the first two involve your two most recognizable properties.

[Heisenberg]

if the virgin, loser critics hate it then it's good to go

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Never understood why critics are bad people. Find it juvenile to think that they're these awful beings. The trolls who think there's bias towards marvel fail to mention the TDK series is critically acclaimed and that if Snyder actually made good movies they'd call them such.

[Wishbone]

Re: Your minor Batman spoilers...


WTF?!

Lol I know right?

[GD]

I don't care about the R rating for the home release unless I get to see Gal Gadot / Wonder Woman naked or Ben Fleck's dick.

[GD]

Don't tell me about Ben's prosthetic penis in Gone Girl.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6CUh52CAAEvG2j.jpg:large

[Crimson]

Yea I never liked Gadot as wonder woman. Instead of a busty body we get some bony jabroni

[Fox]

My thoughts, spoilers ahead...

Just got back from seeing this. Can't really describe how disappointing I found the whole film. Everything was so untrue to the characters. The plot was incredibly contrived. Batman murdering people left and right, using his main weapon of the movie: guns. Superman just a big, smug, grimacing tool throughout. The weak intro of Wonder Woman. Eisenbergs over the top performance. And that ending... I could go on and on.

Just bad.

[GD]

Charlotte has the Amazonian physique required for Wonder Woman.

[Rammsteinmad]

What was Doomsday like? That's pretty much the only thing I'm excited about. (Don't worry about spoiling anything for me, I'm not fussed).

[Shisen Kopf]

If you liked this movie you are Affleck sheep,,,,,,

[Simple Fan]

Yea I never liked Gadot as wonder woman. Instead of a busty body we get some bony jabroni

I think she looks fine. Wonder Women doesn't have to be ripped, I think it was a good casting.

[slik]

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[Optimus Bone 69]

That was worth the 30 odd year wait, loved it

[Wishbone]

What was Doomsday like? That's pretty much the only thing I'm excited about. (Don't worry about spoiling anything for me, I'm not fussed).

[spoiler warning for those that don't want it spoiled] Doomsday was alright. He looks kinda like a troll from Lord of the Rings though. However, he did his job well enough. Still weirded out by the fact that in this he's the unholy lovechild of Lex and Zod though, but other than that he's pretty much what you'd expect. He even gets some of the little bony spike things from the comics after they kick his ass the first time and he sheds his skin away.

[Emperor Smeat]

Film managed to break the all-time box office record for Easter week Thursday debuts. Ended up being $3-4 million short of doubling the previous record.

All-time Thursday record belongs to the recent Star Wars film which Bats vs Sups came nowhere close to touching.

Despite a lukewarm critical reception, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice enjoyed a strong showing for its Thursday night opening. The movie brought in $27.7 million domestically, setting a new record for a Thursday night before Easter, eclipsing Furious 7, which made $15.8 million on the same night in 2015.

Furious 7 went on to make $67.4 million on Good Friday last year and $147.2 million for the full weekend.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/batman-v-superman-has-record-breaking-thursday-ope/1100-6436024/

[Fignuts]

Probably would have enjoyed this more if the trailers hadn't given so much away. Feel like I had seen all the action scenes already, minus the end of the final battle. It's a common problem these days, but it's especially bad with this film. Doomsday, Wonder Woman, the dream sequence, Batman's fight at the warehouse, it all should have been saved for the actual film. Yeah, you could say "well don't watch the trailers online", but I go to the movies enough where I'm probably going to see it anyway, so that doesn't help.

Eisenberg was good as the villain, but he may as well have been a brand new character, because his performance is a complete 180 from how the character is portrayed everywhere else. The closest interpretation to this movie's Lex would be All-Star Superman, but even that's a stretch.

Movie seemed weirdly paced as well.

On the bright side, I loved Affleck as Batman. Just great all around, as Bruce and Bats. Alfred was also a highlight, and the two have good chemistry onscreen.

Hard to judge Wonder Woman, since she's only in a small part of the film, but I like Gal Gadow so far

Score is god damn excellent, as is expected from Hans Zimmer. The opening scene, and Wonder Woman's theme being standouts.

So yeah. I liked it, but it didn't blow me away.

[GD]

The movie had a lot of potential.

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[Fignuts]

Wonder Woman theme

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Scene had almost no impact, even with this badass track, because the whole thing was in the trailer, and I knew it was coming. Would have marked out crazy at that point otherwise.

Fucking trailers.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I saw it. It's not very good. Ridiculously bad pacing and editing. No establishing shots and the narrative, or lack thereof, is all over the place. It's 2.5 hours of characters doing things without any real explanation as to why. Luthor especially. His motives are non existent.

I will say, the cast did a tremendous job with what they were given, but I'm tired of mopey woe is me Superman. The guy should be a beacon of hope, not questioning his purpose in life for 2 straight films.

Batman is also really unlikable in the movie. He's increasingly irrational, and makes decisions that aren't entirely thought through until the end. And even then, his third act 180 on Superman after hating the guy for 2 hours is completely out of nowhere. It's literally "arrrrg I hate you and you need to die. Oh wait. Nevermind. My bad. Now we're buds".

I hated that he killed all fucking wily nilly. The knightmare scene is one thing, but he had an otherwise pretty neat car chase scene that saw him just slaughter guys. Then he saves Martha Kent and blows KG Beast up using a gun. Blows a bunch of guys up using the Batwing as well. It was infuriating to watch. Especially because I feel like it was only done to show how "extreme" and "brutal" and "edgy" this new Batman was, and because Snyder is an idiot who doesn't get you can accomplish all of those things without sacrificing a key character trait that was hammered the fuck home in the last trilogy. It's like he is incapable of setting his version of the characters he writes apart without taking it to unnecessary extremes

Wonder Woman was cool. I actually enjoyed her screen time however she was largely underdeveloped. The cramming of the Justice League roster was completely useless. And incredibly forced. They could've been left out of the film and it would not have hurt it one bit.

Eisenberg did well with what he was given and I liked him, but he's another character that had no clear motive as to why he was doing the things he was, which is a shame seeing as he could've been a definitive villain.

The ending was drawn out. A lot. And it felt really cheap. Superman "dies", and, just like the last one, after an entire film of "is he good or bad for us" Superman is magically heralded once more as a hero despite there being no development of this throughout the film.

Overall, the movie isn't as bad as the rotten tomatoes meter would lead you to believe. But it's an absolute mess from a story telling standpoint and all the issues from Man of Steel are back and just as bad if not worse. There are very few establishing shots and the first hour plus jumps all over the fucking place. And it jumps from one half assed storyline to the next without any real, fully developed outcome for any of them. I read one critic's take that said it felt like 4 or 5 really good movies crammed into one, and that's spot on. It's like Snyder had all these really great ideas, but was too shit a filmmaker to actually realize he can only fully develop a few of them fully over 2.5 hours and said "fuck it, I don't wanna leave anything out".

To think he got this massive budget and excessive run time only to churn out a half assed film that didn't have one completely fleshed out idea, that was, to top it off, completely mismanaged in terms of time and pacing, in top of not having one likeable character or memorable scene, just solidifies to me that Snyder is no good at filmmaking and is only good at making pretty pictures that move.

I liken him as a director to a kid getting a model car kit. If the kit is already made to order, with the pieces cut, painted, and sanded, and all you have to is glue out together, the kid's gonna do a decent job just by reading the directions. But if you have him have to actually paint, sand, and build the kit with zero direction or nothing already in place and outlined for him, the process is messy and while the end result is still the model car the path to getting there was sloppy, muddled, and directionless and your end result is a model car that isn't awful but also isn't very good, but is a model car nonetheless.

This is Snyder in film to me. 300, watchmen, Dawn of the Dead, all pre-existing works that were already written for him and in turn done in his end as decent or better endeavours. Man of Steel, Sucker Punch, BvS? All movies that get to its endgame but are highly lacking on cohesiveness, purpose and structure and all suffer from the same issues of a director who seemingly needs directions on how to make a decent film.


One last thing before I wrap up, Snyder made sure to go out of his fucking way to point out that all the wanton destruction occurring at the end of the film was in abandoned areas. From the "Stryker's island is abandoned" line, to the news stating that heroes point (ground zero from the previous Zod fight and mass destruction) was pretty much empty because people were off of work, to Batman stating the port where he beat the fuck out of Superman and lured Doomsday was abandoned, Snyder really tried to throw it in his critics faces that tons of innocent people didn't die in this one. It was actually a bit pathetic and childish.

I will say that I enjoyed this film much more than MoS, even though it's not if at all much better. I take issues with how Batman was portrayed but overall it's not an awful film, it's just not very good beyond the surface.


If this is what we have to look forward to in this new, force fed universe, it's gonna be a long and semi enjoyable but not really ride.

6/10

[Fignuts]

I'm not upset with the more violent Batman, because it could be a great story depending on where the following movies go with it.

Like, maybe the Joker pushed him over the edge, and that's why he's so brutal now. And a subplot of the standalone Batman film or in Justice League could be him realizing he's gone too far, and trying to go back to his more honorable methods.

But if this is just how Batman is now, and it's not going anywhere, then yeah, this is stupid.

[Kalyx triaD]

The entire scene where Diana goes thru the metahuman files should have been a post credits thing.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, that whole scene had the subtlety of a brick to the head, and reeked of desperation to catch up to Marvel.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The entire mentioning of the Justice League, including Barry talking to Bruce through the screen about saving Lois, even though that was never expanded on and ultimately a waste , was a big waste and brought nothing to the film.

This was my initial gripe when they mentioned this film would lead into Justice League. None of these characters are developed and now we get a murderous Batman who magically has changed his ways and a Wonder Woman who spent much of the time she had in the film just staring and pondering.

It's a mess and everything I feared about rushing to JL is actually happening.

[Lock Jaw]

Just got back from it. Went in with low expectations.... and it couldn't even live up to my low expectations.

Just felt like everything was "shoehorned" in.... Batman, Wonder Woman, Justice League references, the whole Batman vs. Superman conflict....

In the end it seems like they really should have just made a solo Superman movie. Just felt like everything but the Superman plot was shoehorned in, and that if they removed all that stuff, and just gave more time to developing Superman and Lex Luthor, it could have maybe even been a good movie.

I also laughed at Snyder continually pointing out that the areas were abandoned/empty at the final battle, though. Although, the news was all "Thankfully downtown is mostly empty because the workday is over"...... I don't think Snyder knows how downtown areas work in major cities.... there would still be tons of people.

Also found it "weird" how Gotham City is right across the bay from Metropolis. Seems like two cities that were that close, would pretty much have the same "feel" to them, and one would not be a vile cesspool of crime and corruption.

[Lock Jaw]

Just read that apparently the CIA guy/photographer who gets killed near the beginning of the movie was Jimmy Olsen......

"We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don't have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?" Snyder said of Jimmy's part. On the R-rated edition of the film, the scene will be extended, so that Jimmy can introduce himself.

Not a happy camper about this development.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, apparently Maggie from Walking Dead played Bruce Wayne's mother.... didn't notice.... and Negan from Walking Dead (upcoming) played his father....

[Rammsteinmad]

I'm excited to see this film (low expectations and all), but I'm not gonna deny, the Marvel Guy in me is happy with all the shitty reviews this film is getting.

[Simple Fan]

I was also right when I said Batman was waaay too brutal and violent in the trailers. There were times in this movie that I felt like I was watching the Punisher instead of Batman. [tiny spoiler, but nothing plot related] I mean Batman kills like literally dozens of people in this without even batting an eye, and he does so with guns galore. GUNS! WTF, Batman, you're breaking both of your biggest rules like they mean nothing?! Of course I'm hoping they explain this in a future movie. Maybe it'll turn out that Robin died and it pushed him over the edge? IDK, Alfred does say "things HAVE changed" to him at one point so yeah... [/end of spoilers].

You need to re watch, Batman never uses a gun in real life only in his dreams.

[Shisen Kopf]

3.5/7

[Simple Fan]

I liked the movie and thought it was a good introduction to Batman. Would have been a lot better had they not spoiled a lot of it in trailers. Looking forward to Suicide Squad.

[Simple Fan]

Really think a few of you need to watch the movie again. Have read a lot of reviews hating on Batman shooting guns and killing people. Batman never kills anyone and never uses a gun except in his dreams. Really think that was the best Batman since Micheal Keatons Batman.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Ugh no more of that please. I've seen enough marvel v dc malarkey via social media.

[Lock Jaw]

Really think a few of you need to watch the movie again. Have read a lot of reviews hating on Batman shooting guns and killing people. Batman never kills anyone and never uses a gun except in his dreams. Really think that was the best Batman since Micheal Keatons Batman.

He def at least blew up some people.

Christian Bale blew up a whole lot of people, though, and people love him.

[slik]

I liked it!

It started a little slow but I thought it was great once it got going. Ben Affleck is probably my favorite Batman after Christian Bale.

I also enjoyed


Lois Lane
Wonder Woman

and the hints of DARKSEID and The Flash



I don't get the hate at all, it's a good movie IMO.

[Simple Fan]

Also found it "weird" how Gotham City is right across the bay from Metropolis. Seems like two cities that were that close, would pretty much have the same "feel" to them, and one would not be a vile cesspool of crime and corruption.

Thought that was weird to but then I thought about San Francisco and Oakland.

[Lock Jaw]

Is it the same situation there? Are they two vastly different cities....

[Fignuts]

Really think a few of you need to watch the movie again. Have read a lot of reviews hating on Batman shooting guns and killing people. Batman never kills anyone and never uses a gun except in his dreams. Really think that was the best Batman since Micheal Keatons Batman.

lol what are you talking about? He's got guns on the batplane and uses them to blow everyone outside the warehouse up. And there's no way some of those dudes in the batmobile chase lived. They are dead as doornails.

He also shoots KGBeast's flamethrower with that guy's gun.

Like I sid, I don't really have a problem with it, as it could lead to some great storys down the road, but come on dude. He clearly kills people.

[Fignuts]

Is it the same situation there? Are they two vastly different cities....

I know that between a couple city blocks you can go from decadant town homes to crumbling sidewalks and projects, so two very different cities across tne bay isn't that much of a stretch, imo.

[Lock Jaw]

Ok, I retract my statement on being weird, and change it to just being "unexpected", I guess.

[Shisen Kopf]

Aquaman is gonna fuck shit up in the next movie. He's got rubber gloves.

[Fignuts]

And beautiful flowing locks. Maybe it's Maybalene.

[Kalyx triaD]

KGBeast left him no choice and it's the only real direct kill he did. Mileage may vary but I kinda get Snyder's 'shooting explosive barrels' loophole with Batman. And remember, this is a post-Jason Todd Batman who seems generally fed up with shit.

Aside from the that I agree the movie was oddly paced and felt like binge watching a show.

Bruce is all 'lets team up' with Diana way too easily. His expression at her old pic was the perfect set up for his anti-metahuman contingencies that could have been DCCU's Civil War in terms of an event. Imagine the shitstorm when they'd discover he studied their weaknesses just for Luthor to get those plans.

On Luthor:

- So... He knows Bruce and Clark's secret, right? They just gonna trust he'll stay quiet about that?
- He had no escape plan after he had major opportunity during the last fight? He waited to be arrested?
- Was he a tech guy, scientist, etc? What does Lexcorp actually do?
- Lex broke all manner of laws and scientific ethics and committed mass murder even killing Mercy but he needed the govt to approve a shipment.
- His reasoning for hating Superman was fascinating and should have been a focal point of the movie.
- Did he... call Darkseid? After likely learning about him from the archives wouldn't even Lex know not to do that? At all? He just killed millions.

Generals:
- DCCU is clearly not ready for a Darkseid/cosmic movie. The other JL cameos just don't fit yet even in this new film series. MCU introduced us to cosmic stuff very carefully, until we accepted a talking racoon.
- Diana's disguise is worse than Clark's.
- Should have went with Wally West for Flash. They still can.
- Calling it; Cyborg is gonna be bad. Maybe belief breaking. His portion of the cameo train was the most cringe inducing.
- Batman emailing Wonder Woman is hilarious. He used all caps and shit.
- Being that it was Zods body Doomsday should have had a bone hair goatee, which would reference Zod AND be comic accurate.
- Doomsday didn't need to be 20ft tall.
- Death of Superman, huh? Okay; should have been its own movie tho.

[KIRA]

KGBeast left him no choice and it's the only real direct kill he did. Mileage may vary but I kinda get Snyder's 'shooting explosive barrels' loophole with Batman. And remember, this is a post-Jason Todd Batman who seems generally fed up with shit.

Aside from the that I agree the movie was oddly paced and felt like binge watching a show.

Bruce is all 'lets team up' with Diana way too easily. His expression at her old pic was the perfect set up for his anti-metahuman contingencies that could have been DCCU's Civil War in terms of an event. Imagine the shitstorm when they'd discover he studied their weaknesses just for Luthor to get those plans.

On Luthor:

- So... He knows Bruce and Clark's secret, right? They just gonna trust he'll stay quiet about that?
- He had no escape plan after he had major opportunity during the last fight? He waited to be arrested?
- Was he a tech guy, scientist, etc? What does Lexcorp actually do?
- Lex broke all manner of laws and scientific ethics and committed mass murder even killing Mercy but he needed the govt to approve a shipment.
- His reasoning for hating Superman was fascinating and should have been a focal point of the movie.
- Did he... call Darkseid? After likely learning about him from the archives wouldn't even Lex know not to do that? At all? He just killed millions.

Generals:
- DCCU is clearly not ready for a Darkseid/cosmic movie. The other JL cameos just don't fit yet even in this new film series. MCU introduced us to cosmic stuff very carefully, until we accepted a talking racoon.
- Diana's disguise is worse than Clark's.
- Should have went with Wally West for Flash. They still can.
- Calling it; Cyborg is gonna be bad. Maybe belief breaking. His portion of the cameo train was the most cringe inducing.
- Batman emailing Wonder Woman is hilarious. He used all caps and shit.
- Being that it was Zods body Doomsday should have had a bone hair goatee, which would reference Zod AND be comic accurate.
- Doomsday didn't need to be 20ft tall.
- Death of Superman, huh? Okay; should have been its own movie tho.

Just on Wonder Woman's disguise being worse than Clark's normally I'd agree but Henry Cavill just proved a week ago that yea people really are that stupid/unobservant IRL.

[GD]

What was Doomsday like? That's pretty much the only thing I'm excited about. (Don't worry about spoiling anything for me, I'm not fussed).

Horseshit.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He could've taken out KG Beast another way. And let's be honest here, there's no blowing up loophole. He blew those mooks the fuck up, no if, ands or buts. And he killed to cars worth of people.

That being said, I loved Affleck and he's definitely "best Batman" potential but he needs a solo film with a better story and characterization.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Also, Kalyx did a great job of bullet pointing all the issues of this film, which lead me to remember that they pushed this film back damn near a year and still swung and missed. Amazing.

[GD]

I also laughed at Snyder continually pointing out that the areas were abandoned/empty at the final battle, though. Although, the news was all "Thankfully downtown is mostly empty because the workday is over"...... I don't think Snyder knows how downtown areas work in major cities.... there would still be tons of people.

Also found it "weird" how Gotham City is right across the bay from Metropolis. Seems like two cities that were that close, would pretty much have the same "feel" to them, and one would not be a vile cesspool of crime and corruption.

My thoughts exactly.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I honestly couldn't tell the difference between one city from the other. They did a shit job of establishing anything remotely unique about each city. Establishing shots would've done wonders in that department but apparently they were not found to be useful and instead were let out of the film.

[Kalyx triaD]

Misc:

- No way in hell in a let's split scenario would Superman go after Luthor instead of immediately going for his mother. Doomsday wasn't in anybody's mind so why wouldn't Bats go beat up the nerd guy while Superman tosses out the thugs? Cool beat down tho.
- Batman doesn't brand the worst person on the planet. He brands mooks.
- Clark; give the spear to woman who looks like she can throw it expertly and wouldn't have any ill effect holding it.
- More Amy Adams in a tub please. Add Diana.
- Jon Kent giving advice (really Clark imagining what he'd say) was a good kind of nonsensical.
- I honestly never noticed Bruce and Clark's mothers had the same name. I checked and yes they did.
- Da fuck happened to Wayne Manor? Anything? No? Okay we'll roll with it. I guess.
- Perry is having so much fun pretending he doesn't know Clark is Superman. And also pretending people rather read sports than about Batman.
- Oh... Bruce, you don't seem to object to the hot metahuman the way you do the dude who saved the world.

[Lock Jaw]

Nerd nitpick:

- In the big Batman v Superman showdown, I can understand Superman getting caught by the Kryptonite gas bomb once.... but the second time he pretty much just stood there and let it happen. I get that he didn't really want to be fighting Batman at all, but he could have easily just seen/heard Batman loading the gun and just grabbed/smashed it at super speed.

[Lock Jaw]

- I honestly never noticed Bruce and Clark's mothers had the same name. I checked and yes they did.

For some reason I had never put two and two together before this movie.... which you would think I would, because it is quite obvious now that it has been pointed out.

[Fignuts]

lol was going to bring up the whole "just give the spear to diana" thing.

Also, am I missing something, or did the news report clearing superman immediately after the bombing make the whole scene pointless? Like when it happened, I was like "oh shit, so this is what is going to spur batman to take him down!" 2 seconds later "well shit"

But then Batman tries to kill him anyway because reasons.

[Fignuts]

The more I talk and think about the movie, the less I like it.

[Lock Jaw]

Well the thing with the bombing was it was still "Superman's fault" in that he was "the reason"/"the target".

And yeah, I for sure thought the spear was gonna go to Diana.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, but it wasn't like it really changed anything. At least not noticably. Plenty of people hated him before that.

[slik]

People are wayyyyyy too harsh on DC. I say that as someone who likes both Marvel and DC. But it's like people have very, very narrow versions of characters in their mind when it comes to DC on film and no matter what DC does people will complain online. They seem to get a pass for tv series and animated films, but live-action for some reason people get real wacky about.


This movie felt like a comic book to me . I could picture it as a 8 issue mini-series 'event' series. First time a comic book film has come across that way to me. Every superhero in every superhero film has let characters die before, including Batman in the 1989 Batman film. Don't the Avengers members try to kill their adversary in each film (groups and solo films)? If Batman sometimes kills the bad guys/uses a gun, it doesn't bother me. It's unrealistic to expect the character not to change over time. He used a gun in the comics in his early days (among other fatalities for bad guys) and occasionally has used one in recent time (Shooting Darkseid in Final Crisis for example). People go overboard w/ the DC hate sometimes, it's really silly (IMO).

[Rammsteinmad]

If it means anything, I liked Man of Steel.

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't approach this as a Marvel or DC guy, and I liked the movie, there's just general gaffs in the story telling that goes beyond characters doing things they wouldn't do.

- Bruce uses guns. His classic aversion to guns was his response to his parents getting killed by a gun. Now; we can reason that this Batman was reborn after losing a Robin and that changed him, but we never explore that. For all we know he always fired at explosive barrels and has a huge kill count, but then his issues with Superman make him a hypocrite. The only guy Superman killed directly was an evil krytonian who'd kill us all. Bruce, for all his brutality, is on record as letting each member of the Suicide Squad live plus Joker.

This Bruce has glaring inconsistencies.

- We spoke about this a year or so ago and it came to pass - the JL stuff was and rushed. That's not saying Marvel is better, it just seemed rushed in general.

- Batman can't possibly be so angry that he never opts to just talk to Superman and ask him to leave or just get to know him.

- Who was that chick in Bruce's bed? Zack knew he wasn't actually a playboy, right?

- How do you NOT do the 'Remember who beat you' line? This Batman is the biggest shit talking version we seen on screen and he doesn't say it.

I can go all day but only because I wanted a movie where Batman meets/fights Superman to be Avengers amazing. But it's just Iron Man 2 good. For similar reasons even.

[Simple Fan]

Agree with Siik, thought it was a great comic book movie. Used a lot from the Dark Knight Returns and even had some exact scenes from it. The more I think k and talk about the movie the more I like it. I think they did great with Batman and loved his character development. Don't think a lot of you understood the story they told with Batman, he was struggling at the beginning with becoming that monster that kills and It's foreshadowed through his nightmare of what he may become. At the end through Superman he realizes he was about to far and sees the human side of Superman. Superman giving the spear to Wonder Women wouldn't have worked as Superman sacrifices himself for mankind which is why the world like Superman again. Just seems like to me people made their minds up that this was going to suck and that just them they can nitpick. I though it was a great comic book movie that followed it source material pretty close.

[Lock Jaw]

Forgot about this part, but at the beginning when they have Bruce Wayne running the streets during Man of Steel's climax, there is an old man in the Wayne building and Bruce sounds like he is yelling "DAD" as he runs towards the building/him. Is he actually yelling "DAD", or was it "DAN" or something like that? Was that old man Bruce's father, who survived the shooting, but Bruce became Batman anyways, and then his dad died in the Man of Steel battle?

[Fignuts]

I think it was "Jack"

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He said Jack. And all the comic book referencing and end credits ass kissing doesn't skew the fact that this ended up being a poorly cut, constructed and executed story will a billion questions unanswered due to all the shit that was going down.

Bruce not trying to vet Superman at all is odd. I can understand him trying to prepare for battle under the premise of what if but he's hell bent on a killing a guy that really hasn't done anything wrong. Even a jaded Batman would know everything he could about his enemies.

This version of Batman was very short sided.

[Lock Jaw]

Because if there's even a 1 percent chance that he can turn bad he has to take it as a 100 percent certainty

[Simple Fan]

Short sided? I just don't see it. It was an excellent Batman/Bruce Wayne combo and told a great story.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

How is Batman automatically labeling Superman a threat in need of being destroyed without finding out anything about him, at all, a great Batman/Bruce Wayne combo? When has Batman ever jumped to such a blind and uninformed conclusion that made zero sense given Supes hadn't even done anything wrong to that point?

It would've made more sense if he went after Supes AFTER he had the knightmare. That would've made more sense.

[Lock Jaw]

What is the deal with Batman's dreams anyhow... felt like he was Wesley Dodds or something....

Though I guess Superman got in on the daydreaming/hallucinating too when he had that conversation with his father.

[Simple Fan]

I mean Superman was an alien that had just been responsible for an alien invasion. Batman being Batman had to do what he does and investigate. Don't see any problem with Batman going after Superman. Add to the point that Superman was being setup makes even more sense.

[Simple Fan]

What is the deal with Batman's dreams anyhow... felt like he was Wesley Dodds or something....

Though I guess Superman got in on the daydreaming/hallucinating to when he had that conversation with his father.

I think Batmans dreams were foreshadowing future events. In the Batman gun dream its foreshadowing Darkseid and Apokolisp. The Flash dream was pretty cool and not sure what it means but I bet it gets revisited.

[Lock Jaw]

I know it was foreshadowing future events.... that's why I said it seemed like he was Wesley Dodds or something.... Far as I know Batman never had vaguely prophetic dreams...

Maybe they will tie the upcoming Sandman movie into the DC Movie Universe and that is why Joseph Gordon-Levitt left-it....

[Damian Rey 2.0]

What exactly did he investigate? It sure as shit wasn't superman as he didn't know jack shit about him.

[Fignuts]

The dreams were DC's awkwardly shoehorning in a bunch of foreshawdowing in a desperate attempt at catching up to marvel's CU.

They don't want to slowly build anything, they want Avengers money now.

[Simple Fan]

I don't really know what you mean. What did you want him to do? He knew he was alien and how to stop him how much more do you need. Superman is the one that has a problem with Batman and that's what puts Batman in the I need to kill this guy mindset.

[Simple Fan]

The dreams were DC's awkwardly shoehorning in a bunch of foreshawdowing in a desperate attempt at catching up to marvel's CU.

They don't want to slowly build anything, they want Avengers money now.

I don't think they need a slow build. I thought the dreams were great and the only thing that I had a problem with was that it was only Justice League members on the metahuman database. Could have had some villians in there and it would have felt as forced. Other than that I thought it was great.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

You said Batman had to investigate and I'm asking what did he investigate about Supes in the movie, exactly? He was more concerned with apprehending the shipment of kryptonite and acquiring Lex's intel than anything else. He didn't investigate Superman at all. Lex knew more about Superman than Bruce did, which is really odd considering Bruce is supposed to the world's greatest detective.

These are one of the why's I mentioned in my review. Other than the city getting thrashed and his employees dying because of the battle with Zod, a battle Zod had more to do with than Supes, Bruce hates Superman and never bothers to further look into. Just jumped to a conclusion on him for no other purpose than to serve the story.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The Justice League stuff didn't anything of merit for the film. They were forced in for no reason other than to get them in there, served no purpose to the plot and even I the dream Barry gave Bruce wrong info, rendering that useless, as if Lois dying was a plotline they ever explored anyways.

The film's just all over the place with a bunch of threads that didn't need to be there, random unnamed JL members included.

[Simple Fan]

I just don't see anymore reason that Batman would need to go after Superman. Especially after Superman threatens Batman . I'd say Supermans not the easiest guy to investigate hands oon, but once he found out how to stop him that was his main focus. His looking in to Superman led him to the kryptonite which led him to Luthor. Lex is a super genius so I'm sure he can put some things together and find out their identities. Just don't see what more you want Batman to do.

Like I said if they would have had more than Justice League members in the metahuman database it wouldn't have felt as forced but it did serve a purpose, Batman now knows he has to form a team. Also was told by the Flash in his dream to find them. The info Flash gave Bruce could be for another time as Flash said he'd come back to far.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

If he's so hard to investigate how did Luthor, who's not anywhere near the level of a detective as Batman, find out Clark's true identity, that he dates Lois and that Martha Kent is his mom? See how this makes no sense?

None of it adds up. The Justice League references added nothing to the film. Nothing. Didn't advance the plot. Didn't give the characters anything to do, and what Flash did tell Bruce ended up being moot as it was wrong anyhow. They never followed up on any of it.

Batman knows he has to form a team why? He only knew that after Luthor told him he rang a bell. Beyond that he had no pre-existing reason to think rounding up all these meta humans was a good idea or even an idea at all.

I'd like Batman to act logically and know who and what exactly he's up against. To be informed on all angles and have the clear strategic advantage. He doesn't have that here, as he knows jack shit about Superman and didn't investigate him, just investigated how to stop him. Superman is supposedly this big threat but outside of collateral damage in a fight Superman didn't want or start, he's given Bruce zero reasons to think he'd go rogue, and Bruce being completely blinded to the point of not even listening to Clark was just a poor way to present what is supposed to be the human peak of physical and mental skill.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I wanna put it out there that I'm not hating in anyone who liked or loved the movie. I enjoyed it, even though I've ripped it since I've seen it, and I very much liked Affleck. I'm just perplexed at how anyone could miss all these glaring holes presented.

[Lock Jaw]

If he's so hard to investigate how did Luthor, who's not anywhere near the level of a detective as Batman, find out Clark's true identity, that he dates Lois and that Martha Kent is his mom? See how this makes no sense?

Well, in Man of Steel Lois proved that one could seemingly quite easily just follow a pattern of "strange events" all the way back to Smallville and find out from IHOP Manager Pete Ross.

[Simple Fan]

I didn't go into the movie looking for holes. I can get what your saying but I just don't see what more Batman needed to do. Got to remember this is also a Batman that has been out of the game for a while and feels threatened by the existence of Superman. Seems like your looking for to many answers in a introduction movie. Batman says he doesn't know why they need a team he just has some feeling.

[Swiss Ultimate]

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[McLegend]

I liked it overall. I'd give it a 7.5/10. A lot of complaints have been fair.

A complaint that's been said a little... They didn't build Batman up enough. I would have loved one Batman story from some character summarizing how badass and awesome he is. Also wasn't enough focus on Gotham and what tha state of that city is.

Also Batman did drop some bodies, which Is fine with me, because that's what Frank Milller's Batman does.

[Kalyx triaD]

Simple Fan you're willfully ignoring filmic issues to the point where you would be doing no favors to DC/WB if they asked you what you thought.

I want the DCCU to work. I want it awesome. And it can do that without emulating MCU's tone. But we have to honestly assess what they did so far, two movies in, so they know how to improve.

We're not looking for holes they're chasing us.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah that's a pretty dumb statement. I didn't go in looking for holes. They found me. You ask what more Batman needed to do. Well, other than finding out about kryptonite he didn't do anything. He was literally ignorant as fuck about Superman. Regardless if it's an introduction movie it still begs the question why. How did Lois Lane figure all this shit out while Batman had two years and knew nothing?

And there was no point in the film that suggested he was out of the game. He didn't seem even semi retired at any point.

If he felt so threatened why didn't he find out everything there is to know about him? That makes no sense.

You liked the movie. Great. Stop pretending there weren't glaring issues. The film was massacred by critics for a reason and logical character motivation was a big one.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

And again, Batman saw Lex BEFORE the funeral. At least that's what they made it seem like via choppy editing. He'd have no other reason to believe they may need to team up had Luthor not informed him of ringing a bell. His team up line makes no sense otherwise.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Frank Miller has gone on record saying his Batman doesn't kill. And he hasn't. The "I believe you" line Snyder ripped from DKR didn't end in the mutant he was speaking to dying.

Snyder pretending he actually read that just makes him look really dumb, because if you have read it, you know Snyder is pulling answers out of his ass.

[Simple Fan]

The issues you have are silly and nitpicky. If he finds out who he is it ruins the moment Bruce stops from killing him. Don't see why Batman would need to talk to Superman, he's prepared to fight and he going to fight. Your questioning Batmans motive but not the Government's or any of the citizens that are against Superman. As for the "know who beat you" line I was hoping to hear it to but if he was intent on killing him then it would have made no sense.

[Simple Fan]

And again, Batman saw Lex BEFORE the funeral. At least that's what they made it seem like via choppy editing. He'd have no other reason to believe they may need to team up had Luthor not informed him of ringing a bell. His team up line makes no sense otherwise.

His dreams. Those were not normal dreams. Im sure he remembers them and the fact he sees the Flash befor knowing about him has to be in his mind. He has a feeling something big is coming and feels like they're going to need a team to beat it without Superman now.

[Kalyx triaD]

The issues you have are silly and nitpicky. If he finds out who he is it ruins the moment Bruce stops from killing him. Don't see why Batman would need to talk to Superman, he's prepared to fight and he going to fight. Your questioning Batmans motive but not the Government's or any of the citizens that are against Superman. As for the "know who beat you" line I was hoping to hear it to but if he was intent on killing him then it would have made no sense.

You don't see why Batman should talk to Superman? You don't really? 'He's prepared to fight and going to fight'? You're not even talking about Batman at this point, he sounds like a jock bully.

Batman wanting to kill Superman off nothing but fear and 'dreams' is absurd. As a direct comparison Superman and the govt were willing to talk to Zod at least.

And BTW:

Did Bruce not see the same message Zod sent to everybody on Earth? Did he not see news footage of Superman clearly fighting two psychos in black while saving soldiers?

Batman's motivation makes no sense. It's only really glaring because WB sets out to make the realistic comic universe. That is documented, their goal.

I could write a better reason Batman and Supes brawl.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

His dream had everything to do with Superman going rogue for losing the woman he loved. Nothing to do with Darkseid. Like, 91at all. I'm not being nitpicky. I'm pointing out logical errors that make no sense in the context of the movie and you're dancing around it because you enjoyed the film and seem to want to ignore all the issues that came along with it.

Like, how did anything in the knightmare sequence indicate a team up? The only message that was made was not to let Lois die. That was it. Had Luthor not said anything, Bruce would no reason to feel the need to team up since his dream was about rogue Superman, not Darkseid.

The motives in the entire film are nonexistent. Lots of why's in this movies. Superman didn't gun down anyone so how is it these college educated politicians are dumb enough to believe the massacre was his fault? How would anyone believe that a guy who can shoot lasers is His fault for people being shot? More nonsense.

Their whole fight makes no sense. Bruce wants Superman dead because he might go rogue even though his dream said keep Lois alive and they'll be fine, and because he blamed Superman for things that aren't his fault and blindly goes to battle with someone he doesn't know.

Superman thinks Batman is brutal and above the law, yet killed a terrorist by putting him through concrete walls.

Brilliant reasoning on the writing team's behalf.

I'm still trying to figure out how Bruce would think teaming up is good based on his bad dreams about Supes rather than Luthor flat out telling him something is coming.

[Simple Fan]

Your forgetting all about Flash telling him to find them. Not sure really what more you want Batman to do that wouldn't ruin the story. I'm not ignroing any issues just don't have any issues with Batman and Superman fighting. They both have big egos and both think they are doing the right thing. Superman threatens Batman. It's not hard to see why Batman would want to kill Superman. Yeah I enjoyed the film and thought it felt like a comic book on the big screen. Really looking good forward to the home release. I understand your issues but I don't see them as glaring issues that hurt the film. No its not a cinematic masterpiece but it was a damn good comic book adaptation.

[Swiss Ultimate]

It would have been better if Batman was told by a wizard that Superman was going to destroy the world if he didn't fight him.

[Kalyx triaD]

We're talking about the movie on two different levels so we'll leave it at that.

[McLegend]

So that was definitely Flash in that "dream sequence?"

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Apparently, yes.

[Simple Fan]

So that was definitely Flash in that "dream sequence?"

Yeah that was one of my favorite parts of the movie and really gets me interested in what the Flash brings to the table.

[slik]

Character (Steppenwolf?) from deleted scene w/ Lex

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/56f9646d1711077fa4d980ce/1459184773204/?format=1000w

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/s-MUzvASr8s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Wishbone]

The issues you have are silly and nitpicky. If he finds out who he is it ruins the moment Bruce stops from killing him. Don't see why Batman would need to talk to Superman, he's prepared to fight and he going to fight. Your questioning Batmans motive but not the Government's or any of the citizens that are against Superman. As for the "know who beat you" line I was hoping to hear it to but if he was intent on killing him then it would have made no sense.

Dude, I enjoyed the movie myself, hell I gave it a 7.5/10 I think, but come on now. Everything that they've been saying in this thread is totally valid. The movie was all over the place, and it was just not well put together at all. Quit trying to justify liking the movie by trying to make it seem better than it was. The movie wasn't bad in my own opinion, but even I will admit that there was a LOT wrong with it. Something doesn't have to be good for you to like it. I like Florida/Georgia Line, but you don't see me trying to convince people that they're not shit because frankly they kinda are. They're just my kind of shit, and I can see past the shit to the little bit of good that's in there. This movie is no different. There IS good in it, but that good is buried under a massive layer of dried, caked on shit that most people aren't willing to dig through.

[Wishbone]

Also if any of the other deleted scenes are like that one I'm beginning to think that this movie would have been much more coherent if they hadn't cut them out... Meh, maybe the R-rated extended cut will fix some of the issues.

[McLegend]

I'm going to make a big statement here...

If making Batman vs Superman(or any other DC movie) a great movie would mean I would have to wait another 2 years or more for each movie then I'm fine with them being just ok.

I'm not getting any younger so I will embrace mediocrity if it means more Justice League movies. In other quantity>quality .

I think very few people would agree with me on that statement. That's ok though.

[McLegend]

Also I got the Darkseid vibe from what Luthor was saying in the jail cell. Did I miss any other Darkseid forshadowing?

[Kalyx triaD]

Snyder confirms that the tech used on Cyborg was indeed a Mother Box, which is kinda sorta cool but raises a ton more questions.

[Lock Jaw]

Also I got the Darkseid vibe from what Luthor was saying in the jail cell. Did I miss any other Darkseid forshadowing?

Parademons and giant Omega symbol burned into ground in Batman's nightmare

[Lock Jaw]

Snyder confirms that the tech used on Cyborg was indeed a Mother Box, which is kinda sorta cool but raises a ton more questions.

Think I read somewhere that is his origin in the comics now... not sure where/how they got a Mother Box from in the comics, though, haven't read it....

[McLegend]

Parademons and giant Omega symbol burned into ground in Batman's nightmare

Oh shit those definitely were parademons! I should have recognized them.

I thought that whole dream sequence was an alternative reality that would have happened if Batman didn't help Superman save his Mom... Or Lois

Now I understand things more.

[McLegend]

Think I read somewhere that is his origin in the comics now... not sure where/how they got a Mother Box from in the comics, though, haven't read it....

That's his origin in Justice Legue WAR movie.

[Lock Jaw]

As a totally unrelated aside: Totally hate how Cyborg has supplanted Martian Manhunter's "spot" on the Justice League in all comics, animation, and movies.....

[McLegend]

I know it's based of if of The Dark Knight Returns, and I know it was called Batman vs Superman. So Batman is clearly going to be the main star throughout this whole DC thing.

With that said I'm still surprised Batman won that fight. I thought it was going to end in a draw. I was thinking they were going to build Superman up. I was wrong on that. That was a pretty clear cut win.

[McLegend]

As a totally unrelated aside: Totally hate how Cyborg has supplanted Martian Manhunter's "spot" on the Justice League in all comics, animation, and movies.....

I agree. I've never been big on Cyborg.

[Kalyx triaD]

Snyder doesn't understand selling a character.

[Fignuts]

I know it's based of if of The Dark Knight Returns, and I know it was called Batman vs Superman. So Batman is clearly going to be the main star throughout this whole DC thing.

With that said I'm still surprised Batman won that fight. I thought it was going to end in a draw. I was thinking they were going to build Superman up. I was wrong on that. That was a pretty clear cut win.

I'm glad they had the balls to pick a winner. Having a draw in a hero fight is uch a cliche at this point.

[McLegend]

Also can we all agree that even though Batman won that fight he was pretty beaten up in it

Then 5 minutes later he kicked the hell of everyone in the warehouse, and for the most part was fine.

I did like the warehouse fight. and I thought it was a good Batman scene. I just thought that no-selling of that Superman fight was funny.

[McLegend]

I'm glad they had the balls to pick a winner. Having a draw in a hero fight is uch a cliche at this point.

That's a good point, and I didn't think they do it.

[McLegend]

One more post...

I'm going to believe every rumor I hear from this point about any DC movie, because every rumor was true about this movie.

So that Jason Todd theory/rumor that's out there? I now believe it.

[Wishbone]

As a totally unrelated aside: Totally hate how Cyborg has supplanted Martian Manhunter's "spot" on the Justice League in all comics, animation, and movies.....

Cyborg was much better in the old continuity. He belongs with the Titans, not the Justice League. And, yes, I'm aware that he was on the Justice League even in the old continuity, but he always stayed a Titan, and now he's just been wiped from the Titans' history for no good reason just so the Justice League can have a token black guy.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Really think they could've spit this film into to effective parts. Part one being Bruce investigating Luthor, Supes and other metahumans, discussing Diana the same way he did in BvS but also matching wits with Luthor.

MoS2 could've dug into the "Do we need a Superman" question the whole film, with Luthor pulling strings to turn the public despite Supes' heroics. Lois' subplot of looking into the Lex Corp manufactured bullets, and Lex tapping into Zod's ship could've been better developed as well.

Third film is basically an expanded version of the third act we got, but with more time for Bruce and Clark to build their relationship, so they when Clark goes, it carries more weight.

[Lock Jaw]

Superman pretty much let Batman win the fight, though..... literally just stood around and waited to get hit by that second K-gas bomb....


Supes could literally have just stripped Batman entirely naked in a split second. Maybe that it what happens in the Rated R version.

[Reavant]

Also found it "weird" how Gotham City is right across the bay from Metropolis. Seems like two cities that were that close, would pretty much have the same "feel" to them, and one would not be a vile cesspool of crime and corruption.

Camden NJ is across the river from Phili

[Reavant]

I honestly feel like this movie was trying to set up a movie version of Injustice.

[Wishbone]

Honestly an Injustice live action movie would probably be better than this, and it'd be something people had never seen before. Evil Superman could be a really cool thing to see on-screen. Of course Zack Snyder would probably have fucked that up too though...

[Lock Jaw]

His evil Superman would be a jovial friendly dude

[Rammsteinmad]

Gonna see this tomorrow. I hope I enjoy it. It's so weird for me, as a Marvel guy I'm kinda glad this film has been getting criticism, however, with that said I do still like DC and I enjoyed Man of Steel. Kinda weird that I'd be willing to pay money to watch a film, hoping that it's rubbish. Except I don't want it to be rubbish.

[Reavant]

Honestly an Injustice live action movie would probably be better than this, and it'd be something people had never seen before. Evil Superman could be a really cool thing to see on-screen. Of course Zack Snyder would probably have fucked that up too though...

I wonder if they did that whether it would be through this timeline or play with the multiverse like they did with injustice

[Rammsteinmad]

Saw it this morning. Went in with pretty much no interest and zero expectations, and gotta say I thought this movie was brilliant!

The gun thing didn't bother me, knowing in advance all the hints of "abandoned areas" made them funnier, and Doomsday was kinda cool but I feel could have been more, but all-in-all it was nice to finally see Superman up against a non-humanoid opponent. I thought the actual fight between the two heroes was a bit bland as well. But whatever.

Cavill is so right for Superman. I liked Man of Steel, and he's got such a good look/nobility about him that suits the character. And Affleck did a great job as Batman. I enjoyed the more social/political themed stuff in the film though, the idea of if Superman is doing the right thing etc. It's kinda similar to Marvel's Civil War.

Didn't really care much for Wonder Woman though, nor the other cameos. The whole laying of the foundations for the Justice League kinda made this film seem like the LOLTNA to Marvel's WWE. But overall I'm easily entertained with my films and I'd give this a solid 3.5/5.

It'll be interesting to see if DC can follow up with the other characters well enough. Pretty much all of DC's roster lives in the shadow of Batman and Superman, so it'll be good for DC to focus on their individual movies without trying to implement to much Batman or Superman into them.

[Emperor Smeat]

Film's made over $500 million since its release and likely going to do well till mid-April due to lack of competition.

Already broke a few all-time Warner Bros studios records so far.

Batman v Superman made $170.1 million Thursday-Sunday domestically last week, representing a new all-time record for Warner Bros, passing Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 ($169.1 million). It also eclipsed The Hunger Games ($152.5 million) for the best March opening of all time and soared above Furious 7 ($147.2 million) for the best Easter weekend opening in history. Additionally, it exceeded The Dark Knight Rises ($160.9 million) to become the best debut for a DC Comics movie.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/batman-v-superman-passes-500-million-globally/1100-6436144/


Ben Affleck also teased recently he's currently working on a script for a new Batman film not part of the two Batman-related films already announced.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ben-affleck-has-really-cool-script-for-new-batman-/1100-6436151/

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Thought I read it was confirmed the script he and Geoff Johns were working is in fact a solo Batman outing. I'd love something similar in tone to The Town.

Glad to hear he may be on board for a solo adventure as, despite having a bad characterization, I found Affleck to have done pretty well in his Batman debut.

[Emperor Smeat]

Think he's been doing it as a side project but right now Warner Bros only has him guaranteed for Bats vs Sups film and both Justice League films. Doubt they are going to reject his script offer unless both Justice League films tank badly.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'd think they'd be more hell bent on pushing the script through if JL did bomb based on both Affleck being universally praised for his performance and the fact that his personal projects have been stellar of late.

[Simple Fan]

I'd like to see them play with the multivariate. If superman was to go bad and they had to go to another universe and get another Superman. Could use the Superman from Supergirl since his face hasn't been on the show. Probably just wishful thinking though.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah I doubt they ever go multi verse on us.

[Simple Fan]

I could see it being referenced in a Flash movie or something but as far as TV Flash showing up on the movie screen I can't see that. Would be cool though.

[Sixx]

I could see it being referenced in a Flash movie or something but as far as TV Flash showing up on the movie screen I can't see that. Would be cool though.

You know they already got another actor for Flash in the movies, right?

He was even in this movie for a few seconds.

[Simple Fan]

Yeah that's why I said I could see TV Flash being referenced but not appearing.

[Sixx]

Yeah that's why I said I could see TV Flash being referenced but not appearing.

What?

Why in the world would they reference him?

[Simple Fan]

It's the Flash, dude can run through different universes, it not out of the realm of possibilities that he mentions seeing another Flash or something like that. They exist together in the multiverse.

[Wishbone]

Yeah I doubt they ever go multi verse on us.

DC's chief creative officer said that the multi-verse is a thing. That they look at the TV shows, movies, etc as all existing in the multi-verse alongside one another. I wouldn't be surprised to see DC try dipping their toes in it at some point, especially since they seem to want to differentiate themselves from Marvel. Besides we've already seen multi-verse stuff in the TV shows. If they were willing to do it there I don't see why they wouldn't be willing in the movies.

[Lock Jaw]

I want Tom Welling to show up as Superman via multiverse shenanigans in some TV show....

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Tom Welling, Brandon Routh and Henry Cavill team up to take on rogue Dean Cain Superman.

[Destor]

Had I not seen the trailers I would have like it. But I did see them, and I didnt like it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Tom Welling, Brandon Routh and Henry Cavill team up to take on rogue Dean Cain Superman.

I will write the fucking script.

[Disturbed316]

Just got back from seeing this, I really enjoyed it but feel they tried to cram far too much into the two and a half hours. Affleck was a decent Batman but no where near the best (Bale is IMO). Wonder Woman didn't do much for me other than provide eye candy, wouldn't have missed her if she wasn't in it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Twas very stuffed indeed.

On the multi verse stuff, I think that's just lip service to the fans. They've gone out of their way to dismiss Green Arrow, who fits well enough into this darker, more brooding D.C. universe, and Flash, who's fun and likeable.

They'll probably play with that stuff in animation but mine and Kalyx's dream of three supermen going after rogue Dean Cain is likely just that.

Twas also confirmed via Affleck's agent I believe that he has indeed penned and finished a "really cool" Batman script. Kevin Smith claims Affleck avoided all of the pitfalls of BvS and took reviews to heart.

If true, I'd imagine WB will give Affleck the Nolan treatment and auto green light any passion project Affleck wants to do if it means he'll poor his heart and sole into Batman.

[Sixx]

Say what you will, but Affleck is a really good writer and director. I'd like to see his take on Batman.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

Going to watch it tomorrow; I get the impression that if I go in with low expectations, I will enjoy the film.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

You will. Thanks to rotten tomatoes that's how I went in and I did enjoy myself.

I don't think anyone will deny Affleck is a strong film maker.

[Crimson]

Didn't like this. Too boring in the beginning. They didn't make it an epic moment when Superman and Batman first cross paths. The fact that they tried cramming too much in the first half made it not interesting to the point where stuff wasn't making sense.

Did Lex luthor have the Jokers mannerisms in the comics? He reminded me of the Joker with the hair and all.

Gal did better than I thought, she has that perfect face for wonder woman so no problem there.

[KIRA]

Saw it yesterday. Beginning is slow build (understandable) I did enjoy Affleck's Batman but there are a lot of things that that felt rushed or squeezed in.

Overall I liked it ok I didn't have a huge problem with Batman ditching his one rule.

Luthor was....interesting not really like the joker IMO and he does have unsettling moments in his quirkiness. Its actually a really dour film while I like that but I can understand why other people want levity in their Superhero films.

If we could just splice Nolan and Snyder.

[Destor]

Ticket sales dropped over 71% this weekend...

[Kalyx triaD]

Because people already seen it and it doesn't much re-watch value.

[Destor]

Because people already seen it and it doesn't much re-watch value.

Blockbusters dont make their revenue on opening weekend, they do it from repeat views. A movie like this 6-8 good weeks. Word of mouth selling tickets etc.

They havent made near enough to have this steep of a drop off. Expect big changes from the studio going forward if this 2nd weekend isnt a fluke.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Made less that $60 mil over the weekend, US box office. Set a record for one of the largest percentage drops. Also had a near record opening weekend drop from Friday- Sunday.

It had zero competition this weekend.

[Disturbed316]

Was talking to people at work about the film and we all agreed that there is no reason to see this film again after seeing it the first time, which seems to be the general feeling.

[drave]

Blockbusters dont make their revenue on opening weekend, they do it from repeat views. A movie like this 6-8 good weeks.

Blockbuster shut down man. Repeat views WITHOUT PAYING the late fees is why we can't have Blockbuster. Bee Kind, Please Rewind (for Shisen's sake).

[Ruien]

Okay, is this worth seeing for 5 dollars at 11:00am on Saturday?

[Destor]

Okay, is this worth seeing for 5 dollars at 11:00am on Saturday?
$5 sounds fair

[Mercenary]

All I can say after seeing it. Wasn't bad. Wasn't good either. It was just there

[Destor]

All I can say after seeing it. Wasn't bad. Wasn't good either. It was just there
Out of all the movies ive seen i can say, for a fact, it was the most recent.

[Ruien]

So going to regret giving this 2 hours of my life tomorrow. Want to go to the movies though and nothing else is out.

[Destor]

Honestly i think your expectations are so low you might be able to enjoy it.

[Destor]

BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE

[Wishbone]

Yeah, Destor is right. I went in expecting to hate the movie and came out with one of the most positive views on it on this entire forum. If you set your expectations as low as humanly possible you'll have fun... That sounds so fucked up that you can say that about a Batman vs Superman movie. :(

[Ruien]

Hell ya, movie popcorn here I come.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently a deleted scene for the film would have made Superman seem more darker as a character since it would imply he's very selective on who gets saved from danger and he needs to be in the mood to do so.

Zack Synder tried to imply Superman would probably be dealing with mental breakdowns if he was always in a life saving mood.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/zack-snyder-cut-a-scene-from-batman-v-superman-for-being-too-dark-760

[Kalyx triaD]

One of the few ideas of Zack I agree with. Clark can't literally save everyone but he could very much hear any emergency in Metropolis. The only logical end is he does choose based on whatever criteria he feels is a 'Code Superman'.

And if anybody wants to rip the scene; Bryan Singer filmed exactly this in 'Returns.

[Destor]

Returns...the same movie that had superman be a deadbeat dad

[Ruien]

So far this is a bust. Went to the 10 showing but that is a kid friendly showing or something. Waiting for the 10 30 showing now. And there are people at the fucking show. I thought everyone quit coming to this movie. And it's 10 30 in the morning. Assholes will make it so I can't whack my cock to Superwoman.

[Ruien]

Popcorn was 7 dollars too. Never again. My 15 dollar gift card is all gone. Popcorn is more than the fucking movie.

[Ruien]

Black people decided to sit on the handicap spots. Some things never change.

[Ruien]

Some dad just brought 4 fucking kids with hin to the movies and sat right behind me. Moved a few seats down and feel bad that he knows he disturbed me.

[drave]

You shouldn't feel bad, and you should shush him and his bastard kids very loudly when they start waffling.

[Ruien]

Movie was good. Hope they give Flash a haircut. Like this movie better than Iron Man, Hulk, and Captain America when they were building up the Avengers.

Felt like Gotham and Metapolis were to close together though. Maybe that is normal but my expertise while watching Smallville says that is not the case.

[Simple Fan]

Yeah Flash needs a haircut. His casting is the only one that I had a problem with.

[Mercenary]

Movie was good. Hope they give Flash a haircut. Like this movie better than Iron Man, Hulk, and Captain America when they were building up the Avengers.

Felt like Gotham and Metapolis were to close together though. Maybe that is normal but my expertise while watching Smallville says that is not the case.


The distance between the two cities has varied greatly over the years, ranging from being hundreds of miles apart to Gotham and Metropolis being twin cities on opposite sides of Delaware Bay, with Gotham City in the location of Cape May Point, New Jersey and Metropolis in the location of Lewes, Delaware.

[Simple Fan]

Here's a Google maps of where key DC cities are located.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zJ_c3RYhsp7U.k1ngmUkYBmng