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Ruien
04-09-2016, 06:54 PM
Also, first time ever saying this, bu t Alfred was terrible.

Damian Rey 2.0
04-11-2016, 10:45 PM
What? Felt like he was one of the better parts. Him and Affleck def have chemistry there.

I've had a need to watch it a second time. But I refuse to pay for it. Can't find a decent stream for my mobile or ps3 either.

In other news, rumors are floating around that WB wants to do a limited release of the R version cut.

#MoneyGrab

McLegend
04-11-2016, 11:13 PM
And I would fall for it, because I would go see the R-Rated version.

Damian Rey 2.0
04-12-2016, 02:16 PM
I'd rather wait for the video release. Gonna cost the same to own it and watch it as often as I please as it would to see it once in a theater.

Fignuts
04-12-2016, 07:52 PM
And I would fall for it, because I would go see the R-Rated version.

From what I've read it's only rated R because the fights are longer, not more violent.

Certainly not worth another ticket.

Damian Rey 2.0
04-12-2016, 11:36 PM
WB exec confirmed they're planning and working on a solo Batfleck film.

slik
04-13-2016, 08:43 AM
I wonder if it will be based on "Revenge of the Red Hood" and have Jason Todd/Joker as villains

Ruien
04-13-2016, 08:44 PM
Hope it is against the Penguin! Loved that villain in the super old movie.

Damian Rey 2.0
04-13-2016, 10:02 PM
Red Hood would be great. It's new and fresh. Wonder if a streamlined Hush film would work.

JimmyMess
04-16-2016, 07:59 AM
I finally saw this. And I loved it. It felt like a comic book, which was super neat. It also reminded me of how DC animated films are organized, and I love watching those. Whether or not people agree with that being a good thing doesn't really matter to me.

I left the theater wanting more movie, which is a good thing in my books!

Kalyx triaD
05-17-2016, 10:35 PM
Watched this a second time.

No... No, this just doesn't suffice. Especially in a post-Civil War context. I have even more bullet points on the matter now.

drave
05-18-2016, 07:05 AM
BINDERS FULL OF BULLET POINTS!

Simple Fan
05-18-2016, 09:46 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/warner-bros-responding-fans-critics-033103032.html

Really feel they are going screw things up and make movies more like Marvel. Dont think they need to change the tone of their movies.

Destor
05-18-2016, 12:23 PM
Blockbusters dont make their revenue on opening weekend, they do it from repeat views. A movie like this 6-8 good weeks. Word of mouth selling tickets etc.

They havent made near enough to have this steep of a drop off. Expect big changes from the studio going forward if this 2nd weekend isnt a fluke.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/warner-bros-responding-fans-critics-033103032.html

Really feel they are going screw things up and make movies more like Marvel. Dont think they need to change the tone of their movies.Chsanges are needed, I just hope they dont overcorrect.

Simple Fan
05-18-2016, 12:47 PM
I know some changes are needed but I feel they are going to make their movies funnier to please to fans that have been brainwashed by Marvels way of making a comic book movie. Like I and others have said this felt like a comic book on the big screen and I hope they keep it that way. I'm not saying Marvel is wrong in their ways I just enjoyed something that was different.

Destor
05-18-2016, 01:05 PM
I know some changes are needed but I feel they are going to make their movies funnier to please to fans that have been brainwashed by Marvels way of making a comic book movie. Like I and others have said this felt like a comic book on the big screen and I hope they keep it that way. I'm not saying Marvel is wrong in their ways I just enjoyed something that was different.
While I have no bias against humor their movies need to become enjoyable and that doesnt mean laughter as a rule.

Damian Rey 2.0
05-18-2016, 01:11 PM
The films lack structure and vision. Both Man Of Steel and BvS are meandering films with nice ideas but no payoff. They just loiter around for 2 hours and are built around set pieces instead of the other way around.

Hopefully with Affleck now being executive producer of JL and Johns being brought in to oversee everything, these issues change.

Rammsteinmad
05-18-2016, 06:27 PM
I'm just bored of Batman and Superman. The fact it's taken them this long just to get the two to appear in a movie together has just made it less interesting for me.

I didn't mind Dawn of Justice, and I liked Man of Steel. But by God Marvel is just so far ahead in the movies that I couldn't care less about DC's attempt at it. Especially as Batman and Superman are pretty much the only two characters to really get hyped about.

Kalyx triaD
05-18-2016, 06:49 PM
The part where Bruce is texting Diana like 'omg u so old lol',

He was on that roof waiting for Clark.

Just imagine; The Batman waiting for the fight of his life and he's like, "...Kinda bored. *Yo Wondy, wyd?*"

Jesus.

Destor
05-18-2016, 07:19 PM
The part where Bruce is texting Diana like 'omg u so old lol',

He was on that roof waiting for Clark.

Just imagine; The Batman waiting for the fight of his life and he's like, "...Kinda bored. *Yo Wondy, wyd?*"

Jesus.

Hey gurl, u up?

drave
05-18-2016, 08:26 PM
#HeelBatman.

Both above suggestions sound funny af.

Kalyx triaD
05-19-2016, 11:59 AM
I mean... Did he pull out a Batphone? From that armor? What if Clark came early he'd be like, "Hold on, man, I am baking cakes here."

"Dude listen my mother-"

"Wait wait, I gotta CAPS this you would not believe this chick's age."

"Lex is going to kill my mother, Martha."

Wonder Woman's screen:

Batman: HE JUST SAID MARTHA OMG :(

Who? : Diana

Batman: Nothing we're cool now. Come fight this thing with us. Clark needs help with a spear.

Spear? I'm so down hold on. : Diana

Kalyx triaD
05-19-2016, 12:00 PM
Fucking Snyder.

drave
05-26-2016, 06:46 PM
I mean... Did he pull out a Batphone? From that armor? What if Clark came early he'd be like, "Hold on, man, I am baking cakes here."

"Dude listen my mother-"

"Wait wait, I gotta CAPS this you would not believe this chick's age."

"Lex is going to kill my mother, Martha."

Wonder Woman's screen:

Batman: HE JUST SAID MARTHA OMG :(




Who? : Diana

Batman: Nothing we're cool now. Come fight this thing with us. Clark needs help with a spear.

Spear? I'm so down hold on. : Diana

Batphone..... you know by now he doesn't need any actual peripheral devices, that shit is just built in.

Kalyx triaD
05-27-2016, 03:46 PM
Oh.

Sixx
05-27-2016, 04:38 PM
Same way Iron Man can take a leak in his armor.

Well, maybe it's not the same, but yeah.

Kalyx triaD
05-29-2016, 11:09 AM
You realize the batphone is not an important part of my point.

Sixx
05-29-2016, 11:45 AM
No, I do not.

Destor
05-29-2016, 12:32 PM
No, I do not.

Check it: he's about to fight a god, and he's texting wondy. This isnt the type of thing you multitask. Not only does it thematically take away from the tension it's also undermining the films entire premise. If bats thinks sups is the greatest threat the world has ever and could ever hope to see than him devoting anything less than 100% of his energy to battle this threat is ludicrous.

drave
05-31-2016, 01:16 PM
Bats gotta get some poon too. Too many titties, not enough time.

Perfectly feasible that he is getting sexy time while fighting

Destor
09-19-2018, 01:04 PM
This movie sucked and anyone who argued differently has bad taste

Fignuts
09-19-2018, 06:49 PM
Still pisses me off that they revealed wonder woman in the trailers. At tbr very least I would have come out of the theater marking out over that scene.

Lock Jaw
09-19-2018, 06:54 PM
To be fair, they revealed the entire plot of the movie in the trailers.

Simple Fan
09-19-2018, 07:01 PM
This movie sucked and anyone who argued differently has bad taste

I liked it but its been established that you think I have bad taste. There were olenty of things wrong with it but the fight between Batman and Superman was great. Of course I looked at the fight like a wrestling match and think they told a great story with it. Now Justice League sucked ass and I regret going to theater to see it.

Lock Jaw
09-19-2018, 07:03 PM
I enjoyed Justice League.

Hated this one. The fight between Batman and Superman was horrible. (As was the majority of the rest of the film)

Sixx
09-19-2018, 07:29 PM
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Destor
09-19-2018, 07:37 PM
I enjoyed Justice League.

Hated this one. The fight between Batman and Superman was horrible. (As was the majority of the rest of the film)

Justice league was a considerable improvement

Simple Fan
09-19-2018, 08:06 PM
Justice League is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. Just awful, when you can tell where one director leaves and another picks up its pretty bad. Plus they went with alot of cheeky jokes that I thought didn't fit.

Simple Fan
09-19-2018, 08:15 PM
Take that back, its the 2nd worst movie I've ever seen.

Destor
09-19-2018, 08:18 PM
Justice league was horrendous i cant disagree

Lock Jaw
09-19-2018, 10:21 PM
As I said, I enjoyed Justice Leaague. I'd rank it higher than the second Avengers in my like list.

Lock Jaw
09-19-2018, 10:22 PM
I'm not saying it was great, and it does have a lot of issues.

Frank Drebin
09-19-2018, 10:25 PM
Wow. Ultron wasn't the bees knees but to say it was worse than any DC movie other than maybe WW......

Sixx
09-19-2018, 10:28 PM
Yeah, LJ, what the fuck?

Frank Drebin
09-19-2018, 10:38 PM
I mean, Lock Jaw intentionally breaks things in his apartment so that the construction crew can come over and have their way with him (truth) so I'm not sure his opinions are valid to begin with.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-19-2018, 10:49 PM
Justice League was way easier to get thru than BvS. BvS is a boring, dumb, loud slog that crams way too many would interesting plot lines in a movie that should've been a slam dunk, and blows a great performance from an aesthetically perfect Affleck Batman by turning him into a murdering psychopath who wasn't smart enough to figure out Superman is a good guy who's a reporter during the day.

Let us not forget Superman saying "there's no hope". Christ. The only thing this movie for right was the Batman fight scene. That was incredible. But that was it.

Lock Jaw
09-19-2018, 10:57 PM
Remember that I am also slightly biased because I am a DC guy, so those are the characters that I get excited to see on the big screen (and then usually disappointed by).

Simple Fan
09-19-2018, 11:42 PM
I'm a DC guy as well but Age of Ultron was way better than Justice League.

Lock Jaw
09-19-2018, 11:55 PM
It very well could be "objectively better", but if I had the choice, I'd watch Justice League.

Sixx
09-20-2018, 12:13 AM
To each their own.

Lock Jaw
09-20-2018, 12:23 AM
Exactly.

Except in the case of Batman vs. Superman, which sucked.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-20-2018, 12:30 AM
I'm extremely bias towardsBatman. I didn't know jack shit about Marvel beyond Spider-Man and the X-Men. But Marvel movies are far and away better, except for the Dark Knight trilogy. That's the only thing DC has pumped out that's been worth a lick.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-20-2018, 12:30 AM
Oh, and Wonder Woman.

Sixx
09-20-2018, 12:34 AM
Exactly.

Except in the case of Batman vs. Superman, which sucked.

That's the thing, I didn't even mind BvS that much because I'm not a DC guy. It just wasn't great to me, but I don't hate it. A comic book movie that I truly hate is that first solo Wolverine one, the one with mouthless Deadpool. I won't even bother looking up what it was called.

Lock Jaw
09-20-2018, 12:37 AM
I liked that one in general more than his second solo movie.

Sixx
09-20-2018, 12:52 AM
I liked that one in general more than his second solo movie.

I hate the fuck of that first movie. Everything about it.

And as much as I love Liev Schreiber who the fuck thought it was a good idea to cast him as Sabretooth? That's like Jim Belushi as Hercules.

Simple Fan
09-20-2018, 12:07 PM
Oh, and Wonder Woman.

I felt Wonder Woman was too similar to Man of Steel. They told pretty much the same story just from Wonder Woman's perspective with the exception that she actually chose to be a hero.

Destor
09-20-2018, 12:08 PM
Wondy was Captain America 1 with boobs and I loved it.

Seanny One Ball
09-20-2018, 12:18 PM
Liev Schreiber was one of the few highlights in that hunk of shit Origins movie. Not that he was used very well but I think had they focused entirely on him vs Wolverine and their history it could have been so much better.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-20-2018, 12:47 PM
I felt Wonder Woman was too similar to Man of Steel. They told pretty much the same story just from Wonder Woman's perspective with the exception that she actually chose to be a hero.

Not even close.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-20-2018, 12:48 PM
Wonder Woman is easily the best recent DC movie. By a mile.

Simple Fan
09-20-2018, 01:07 PM
Wonder Woman is easily the best recent DC movie. By a mile.

They're the same movie pretty much and don't see how no one else sees that. Both start as kids not knowing their true origins. They both have the parents who somewhat hide or lie about who they really are as they grow up. They both find out who they are mid way through and the villian in both was someone from their origin. There are alot more but I dont want to be at this all day. Only real difference in my opinion is Wonder Woman makes that choice on the battlefield to be a hero and Superman is just forced into it.

Seanny One Ball
09-20-2018, 03:53 PM
Deadpool 2 has vital plot points in common with Looper the awesome Sci-Fi film. Doesn't make it the same movie.

Plus origin stories largely are similar. It involves growing up and making choices. There is discovery and loss, always.

You could be describing Brigsby Bear to be honest.

Simple Fan
09-20-2018, 04:12 PM
I didn't think of Looper when I seen Deadpool 2. First thing I thought after seeing Wonder Woman was, that was just Man of Steel with a woman. I just thought it was too similar and don't get how people can say Wonder Woman was so good but not like Man of Steel when they're essentially the same movie.

Sixx
09-20-2018, 05:02 PM
Liev Schreiber was one of the few highlights in that hunk of shit Origins movie. Not that he was used very well but I think had they focused entirely on him vs Wolverine and their history it could have been so much better.

Yes, yes, what you're saying plus not being so stubborn to call him Sabretooth.

Seanny One Ball
09-20-2018, 05:06 PM
I don't literally see Looper when I see Deadpool 2 either but it was recently pointed out to me and it's true that if you look at the bare bones of it they are both stories about men who attempt to kill a child in the past to prevent his ascent to super villain status. The main difference is that in Looper the man in the past who tries to stop the assassination is the assassin himself as a younger man.

I just mean that films can have a lot in common but I didn't see a great deal of similarity in the way Superman and Wonder Woman were presented. Just basic similarities that most superheroes share.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-20-2018, 07:08 PM
They're the same movie pretty much and don't see how no one else sees that. Both start as kids not knowing their true origins. They both have the parents who somewhat hide or lie about who they really are as they grow up. They both find out who they are mid way through and the villian in both was someone from their origin. There are alot more but I dont want to be at this all day. Only real difference in my opinion is Wonder Woman makes that choice on the battlefield to be a hero and Superman is just forced into it.

One is wandering aimlessly doing nothing with his life, stumbles onto his origin and decides to do nothing with it until he reacts to a threat and is obligated to help.

The other grows up with a strong sense of ideals and morals, strives to excel and live for a higher purpose, and jumps at the chance to fight a war the isn't hers not because she has to, but because it is the right thing to do and because she can.

Not even close to the same movie other than "chosen one origin movie". By your logic Batman Begins and Man of Steel are the same. Even though they're clearly not.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-20-2018, 07:12 PM
I don't literally see Looper when I see Deadpool 2 either but it was recently pointed out to me and it's true that if you look at the bare bones of it they are both stories about men who attempt to kill a child in the past to prevent his ascent to super villain status. The main difference is that in Looper the man in the past who tries to stop the assassination is the assassin himself as a younger man.

I just mean that films can have a lot in common but I didn't see a great deal of similarity in the way Superman and Wonder Woman were presented. Just basic similarities that most superheroes share.

The basic outline of any superhero movie is virtually the same. The first is the basis of the hero's origin and beginning, and the following ones up the ante and put the character in ever growing compromising positions.

Man of Steel was a loud, confusing, inspired dump of a Superman movie. Wonder Woman was an inspired, driven, fun and sensible movie.

Simple Fan
09-20-2018, 09:47 PM
One is wandering aimlessly doing nothing with his life, stumbles onto his origin and decides to do nothing with it until he reacts to a threat and is obligated to help.

The other grows up with a strong sense of ideals and morals, strives to excel and live for a higher purpose, and jumps at the chance to fight a war the isn't hers not because she has to, but because it is the right thing to do and because she can.

Not even close to the same movie other than "chosen one origin movie". By your logic Batman Begins and Man of Steel are the same. Even though they're clearly not.

That's basically what I said was the only difference in the two movies. Everything else matches up preety much exact to the other. It's not the main characters but the supporting characters and the story told which is the same.

I don't see Batman Begins even lining up with the two as I feel it told a way different story.

Simple Fan
09-20-2018, 09:58 PM
I don't literally see Looper when I see Deadpool 2 either but it was recently pointed out to me and it's true that if you look at the bare bones of it they are both stories about men who attempt to kill a child in the past to prevent his ascent to super villain status. The main difference is that in Looper the man in the past who tries to stop the assassination is the assassin himself as a younger man.

I just mean that films can have a lot in common but I didn't see a great deal of similarity in the way Superman and Wonder Woman were presented. Just basic similarities that most superheroes share.

Think I need to watch Deadpool 2 again.

Yeah the characters were presented differently and I've acknowledged that but everything around them was so similar that I couldn't help but recognize it. The biggest complaint I've heard about Man of Steel was his presentation but as a guy who's not real big on Superman I seen it as a pretty good representation of a realistic Superman in this day and time.

Lock Jaw
09-20-2018, 10:12 PM
I've been down this road with you before, but I still don't see how Wonder Woman and Man of Steel are similar at all really. (Aside from being superhero stories where the hero leaves home, finds out about themselves, and fights a bad guy.... which happens in a lot of superhero movies.)

Destor
09-20-2018, 10:24 PM
Doesnt just happen in a lot of superhero movies it happens in a lot of movies.

There arent that many plots to begin with once you strip them down to their bare bones

Simple Fan
09-20-2018, 10:28 PM
I don't really see that in alot of superheroe movies though. Not every origin story is that on point with most aspects like these two were. Destor said it was Captain America with boobs but the only similarities in the two to me was that they were both war pieces, the story told was way different.

Sixx
09-20-2018, 11:08 PM
Still haven't seen Wonder Woman. Somehow can't get to it. Probably because it's about a girl and girls have cooties.

Destor
09-20-2018, 11:24 PM
Still haven't seen Wonder Woman. Somehow can't get to it. Probably because it's about a girl and girls have cooties.

You should see it tho. Its very good.

Sixx
09-20-2018, 11:26 PM
It's been sitting on my HD for ages.

So has the last Star Wars flick.

Sixx
09-20-2018, 11:27 PM
Well, as much as I don't give a shit about the WW character, I'll still take it over Star Wars.

Lock Jaw
09-20-2018, 11:32 PM
The last Star Wars flick was also not very good

Destor
09-21-2018, 12:41 AM
If youre in the target demo ep8 was good. If youre outside of that it was bad.


The choice to make long time fans anything other than your target demo might be a mistake. We'll have to see what the 8 year old audience theyre after thinks in 15 years.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-21-2018, 02:32 AM
That's basically what I said was the only difference in the two movies. Everything else matches up preety much exact to the other. It's not the main characters but the supporting characters and the story told which is the same.

Wonder Woman told a story of a young girl who strived to do more and has a sense of purpose and undying desire to do the right thing. Her supporting cast both admires and believes in her cause and willingly put their lives at risk for her, with one sacrificing himself so she can save the day, as he explicitly said.

Superman told the story of a man who stumbled thru life with no purpose or desire to do anything, who happens to figure out what he is, and questions what he should do and only acts because he feels obligated to. Those around him waver on there feelings for him and intentions, since he doesn't make them very clear as he plods along.

The only thing they have in common is they are origin movies for super powered beings. The actual story they tell are not the same. Like Destor and others have said, strip it down to the bolts and movie plots don't differ much.

Sixx
09-21-2018, 08:18 AM
So is it worth what I assume is 3 hours of my time?

I'm not a Star Wars fan. I thought The Force Awakens was pretty cool but it was just random sci-fi stuff to me.

Destor
09-21-2018, 08:37 AM
So is it worth what I assume is 3 hours of my time?

I'm not a Star Wars fan. I thought The Force Awakens was pretty cool but it was just random sci-fi stuff to me.

No, honestly. If you werent feeling ep7 this one wont change your mind

El Vaquero de Infierno
09-21-2018, 08:38 AM
If there is one thing we can all agree on, it is that Suicide Squad was a giant turd and two hours of your life that you would prefer to have back.

If you doubt me...

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Sixx
09-21-2018, 08:54 AM
No, honestly. If you werent feeling ep7 this one wont change your mind

It was ok. So was Rogue One.

That Solo flick looks hilarious, though. Hilarious as in ridiculous. That guy looks like a baby.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-21-2018, 02:15 PM
If there is one thing we can all agree on, it is that Suicide Squad was a giant turd and two hours of your life that you would prefer to have back.

If you doubt me...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NXvoeN79uIk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Easily their worst movie. What a pile of steaming shit that was

Fignuts
09-21-2018, 03:36 PM
If youre in the target demo ep8 was good. If youre outside of that it was bad.


The choice to make long time fans anything other than your target demo might be a mistake. We'll have to see what the 8 year old audience theyre after thinks in 15 years.

I think the numbers for Solo speak well enough on that.

Destor
09-21-2018, 04:03 PM
I think the numbers for Solo speak well enough on that.

I dont. I think solo shows that alienating the die hards and then making nostalgia films doesnt work. You have to commit. Going all in this new cannon could still work.

The portion of the audience that has accepted the new stuff are as fanatical as the old gaurd; i wouldnt write it off just yet.

Im skeptical though.

Destor
09-21-2018, 04:04 PM
Ep9 will be very telling

Sixx
09-21-2018, 04:07 PM
Ep12 will.

Destor
09-21-2018, 04:12 PM
I think youre saying that glibbly but it really will be. Where the franchise is in...5 years? That to me me very telling. What does a trilogy look like once theyve ran through the nostalgia acts?

McLegend
09-21-2018, 05:20 PM
I just saw Solo, and it was way better then I thought it was going to be. I’d rather watch Solo again then Last Jedi.

Destor
09-21-2018, 05:38 PM
Solo could be the greatest film of all time it wouldnt change the fact it bombed

Kalyx triaD
09-21-2018, 05:47 PM
Solo could be the greatest film of all time it wouldnt change the fact it bombed

If it was that good it likely wouldn't bomb. But it's not as bad as they claim either. Collateral damage.

Simple Fan
09-21-2018, 08:24 PM
Wonder Woman told a story of a young girl who strived to do more and has a sense of purpose and undying desire to do the right thing. Her supporting cast both admires and believes in her cause and willingly put their lives at risk for her, with one sacrificing himself so she can save the day, as he explicitly said.

Superman told the story of a man who stumbled thru life with no purpose or desire to do anything, who happens to figure out what he is, and questions what he should do and only acts because he feels obligated to. Those around him waver on there feelings for him and intentions, since he doesn't make them very clear as he plods along.

The only thing they have in common is they are origin movies for super powered beings. The actual story they tell are not the same. Like Destor and others have said, strip it down to the bolts and movie plots don't differ much.

I'll have to disagree but I understand what you are saying. The two characters act completely different but the story told is pretty much the same. Take gender and their personality out of it and its a story of a child who's an outcast and has to figure out who they really are by themselves as they grow up, find love, and face an enemy from their past. It may be a typical origin story but of all these superheroe movies these two tell are the most similar as any. I haven't seen another one that was that on point with all most every aspect of the story.

I liked Suicide Squad as well, wasn't big on the main villian and thought it should have been Joker but I thought it was decent.

Simple Fan
09-21-2018, 08:25 PM
Hated Episode 8 and thought Solo was good.

Lock Jaw
09-21-2018, 09:32 PM
Diana wasn't an outcast, she was beloved by literally her whole society.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-21-2018, 10:38 PM
I loved Episode 8, and I liked Solo. Solo definitely deserved a better box office run. But I'm not a diehard and I'm always open for a different or risky take.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-21-2018, 10:45 PM
I'll have to disagree but I understand what you are saying. The two characters act completely different but the story told is pretty much the same. Take gender and their personality out of it and its a story of a child who's an outcast and has to figure out who they really are by themselves as they grow up, find love, and face an enemy from their past. It may be a typical origin story but of all these superheroe movies these two tell are the most similar as any. I haven't seen another one that was that on point with all most every aspect of the story.

I liked Suicide Squad as well, wasn't big on the main villian and thought it should have been Joker but I thought it was decent.

In no way was Diana an outcast. She was universally loved by not only her own people, but the people she meets as she embarks on her journey. It's like, at what point does Superman go looking for trouble or stand up and declare himself a powerful being who wants to help because he can and its the right thing to do? The story they told for each character isn't remotely the same beyond superpower being comes out to the world to save it. That's it. The rest of it isn't at all alike.

And Suicide Squad was an absolute turd. It was horrible. BvS at least had some great standalone scenes. Suicide Squad was a steaming pile of shit with a few cute lines from Margot Robbie.

Lock Jaw
09-21-2018, 10:58 PM
I liked Suicide Squad more than BvS. Still was not a great movie at all, and had terrible editing/story-telling.... but even with that, it still beat BvS for me.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-22-2018, 12:34 AM
Liking a movie and acknowledging its bad are two different things.

Like I've said, BvS is a guilty pleasure of mine. But I know what I'm watching is trash.

Destor
09-22-2018, 01:00 AM
I can think of a lot of really awful movies that i love

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:33 AM
Diana wasn't an outcast, she was beloved by literally her whole society.

She was the only child on the island, she was on outcast.

Lock Jaw
09-22-2018, 01:35 AM
Whatever you say, dude

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:44 AM
In no way was Diana an outcast. She was universally loved by not only her own people, but the people she meets as she embarks on her journey. It's like, at what point does Superman go looking for trouble or stand up and declare himself a powerful being who wants to help because he can and its the right thing to do? The story they told for each character isn't remotely the same beyond superpower being comes out to the world to save it. That's it. The rest of it isn't at all alike.

And Suicide Squad was an absolute turd. It was horrible. BvS at least had some great standalone scenes. Suicide Squad was a steaming pile of shit with a few cute lines from Margot Robbie.

No, her own mother didn't want her to become Wonder Woman. She hid it from her same as the Kent's did from Superman. You're still breaking down the characters and not the basic strory told, their journey isn't even all that different once you look at it. They take different paths I'll agree but that doesn't stop the story from being the same.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:45 AM
Whatever you say, dude

Would you not feel like an outcast as the only child on an island?

Lock Jaw
09-22-2018, 01:54 AM
Would you not feel like an outcast as the only child on an island?

Not if I was raised on an island where everybody loved me, and the very ideals of the society was so different that probably even the concept of "outcast" wouldn't occur to me.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 02:00 AM
Not if I was raised on an island where everybody loved me, and the very ideals of the society was so different that probably even the concept of "outcast" wouldn't occur to me.

I mean we seen the movie differently then because she was an outcast to me being the only child on the island. She even showed that it bothered her a bit being the only child. Also being the only child on the island made her universally loved but I don't see that being any different than the love the Kent's had for Clark. Both knew they were something special but didn't really know what that special was and took a cautious approach to raising them.

Destor
09-22-2018, 02:15 AM
Being an only child does not make you an outcast. Thats reaching

Sixx
09-22-2018, 02:30 AM
An outcast usually means someone who's not wanted by anyone and that's clearly not the case with WW.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:19 AM
Andre 3000 could play Wonder Woman and she still wouldn't qualify as outcast.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:52 AM
She's more of a black sheep

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 11:45 AM
Being an only child does not make you an outcast. Thats reaching

Not being an only child, she was the only child. No other kids to play with at all. How's is that not an outcast? She and Superman were different than everyone around them, they were outcast.

Lock Jaw
09-22-2018, 11:54 AM
Being different doesn't necessarily make you an outcast.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 12:11 PM
Black sheep.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 12:47 PM
Looked up the term black sheep as I've never really heard it and I don't see Wonder Woman being one. She was loved by her family and wasn't seen as a disgrace at all.

Sixx
09-22-2018, 12:49 PM
Looked up the term black sheep as I've never really heard it and I don't see Wonder Woman being one. She was loved by her family and wasn't seen as a disgrace at all.

You have honestly never heard the term "black sheep"?

Color me impressed.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 12:51 PM
Maybe on WWE with the Wyatt Family or something but not in that context.

Destor
09-22-2018, 12:53 PM
Not being an only child, she was the only child. No other kids to play with at all. How's is that not an outcast? She and Superman were different than everyone around them, they were outcast.

No one cast her out. She was lovingly embraced by all. Not having kids to play with =/= outcast

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:07 PM
Being loved has nothing to with being an outcast in her situation. I've agreed she was loved that's not what I'm saying. She different than everyone around her, maybe outcast isn't the right word but it makes sense to me.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 01:13 PM
Looked up the term black sheep as I've never really heard it and I don't see Wonder Woman being one. She was loved by her family and wasn't seen as a disgrace at all.



"Black sheep" means "odd one out" too.
I have rarely heard it used to describe someone who is a disgrace to their family because that seems at odds with the origin of the phrase. It's more about people who are unusual or don't take after their families. Different traits etc. It's a phrase born from recessive genes in sheep.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 01:17 PM
maybe outcast isn't the right word but it makes sense to me.


She's the odd one out then. They love her but she's different and she knows it deep down.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:18 PM
I'd consider being unusual as an outcast but maybe I'm wrong. I don't think there's much of a difference between the two with your definition.

Destor
09-22-2018, 01:30 PM
Being loved has nothing to with being an outcast in her situation. I've agreed she was loved that's not what I'm saying. She different than everyone around her, maybe outcast isn't the right word but it makes sense to me.

out·cast
ˈoutˌkast/Submit
noun
1.
a person who has been rejected by society or a social group

Destor
09-22-2018, 01:30 PM
Outcast is not the right word

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:33 PM
An outcast is also someone who doesn't fit in.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 01:35 PM
Well "outcast" comes from the literal "to cast out" so unless historically all unusual people were cast out then it isn't the same.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:41 PM
You guys are too literal for me. She wasnt cast out or anything like that but she's an outcast for not having anyone else to relate to. In my opinion that made her feel like an outcast in her own mind.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 01:43 PM
There are better words for that situation. Stop trying to make "outcast" work. There's poetic license and then there's plain misuse of words.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:46 PM
I don't see it as a misuse of the word at all. I think you guys seen the character in a different light than I did.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 01:53 PM
It's 2001 all over again.

Just say it was poetic license, neg reps full of bigotry and then wild accusations about people's educational progress.

Don't forget to hold it against us forever.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 01:57 PM
What? You lost me on that one.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-22-2018, 02:01 PM
I like that simple fam is arguing a literal definition of a word. She's not, by definition, an outcast.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 02:03 PM
The 2001 Standard - "When confronted by your own vulgar hyperbole either deflect, deny or refer to the misconception of 'poetic license'(a concept misappropriated by argumentative losers as a Hail Mary against literal sense) and stand firm."

It's a good one. You should give it a go.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 02:10 PM
She doesn't have to be an outcast to you guys but she was to me. I don't think it's about the definition of the word at this point and its just the difference in how we seen the character. A piece of art can be interpreted differently by many people.

A.J.K
09-22-2018, 02:14 PM
Currently Re-watching Wonder Woman. I would say That and Captain America are basically the same movie, just with different characters and the DC/Marvel seperation.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 02:17 PM
The 2001 Standard - "When confronted by your own vulgar hyperbole either deflect, deny or refer to the misconception of 'poetic license'(a concept misappropriated by argumentative losers as a Hail Mary against literal sense) and stand firm."

It's a good one. You should give it a go.

I don't know, feel like I've stood pretty firm on my point. It may be a "misconception of poetic license" as I wasn't using the literal definition of outcast so to speak but I feel like people should have been able to get my point.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 02:20 PM
She doesn't have to be an outcast to you guys but she was to me. I don't think it's about the definition of the word at this point and its just the difference in how we seen the character. A piece of art can be interpreted differently by many people.



While I appreciate this sentiment philosophically(and it has given me further opportunity to pick at the delicious scab of 2001) - I cannot condone it's application in a semantic argument. Words have definitions for a reason so if you're going to re-assign them then you may as well speak gibberish.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 02:21 PM
Currently Re-watching Wonder Woman. I would say That and Captain America are basically the same movie, just with different characters and the DC/Marvel seperation.

See I don't get this at all. Steve's journey is way different than Wonder Woman's and the only real thing they have in common is they are war pieces. Would love for someone to explain how these two are the same.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 02:25 PM
While I appreciate this sentiment philosophically(and it has given me further opportunity to pick at the delicious scab of 2001) - I cannot condone it's application in a semantic argument. Words have definitions for a reason so if you're going to re-assign them then you may as well speak gibberish.

Outcast is commonly used to describe some who doesn't fit in. I don't think I've reassigned the definition of outcast at all.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 02:45 PM
I actually agree with you about her not entirely fitting in but I think the word "outcast" could be better dressed if that is truly how you believe her to be. Perhaps a couple of inverted commas wouldn't go amiss but I still think it's too narrow a definition to use for a woman as well positioned in her society.

It's not exactly the story of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer is it?

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 02:54 PM
Wonder Woman is similar to Black Panther in my mind. Maybe it's the expansive scenery and kickass action sequences but also the idea of a beloved figurehead with secrets yet to discover who then saves their civilisation/the world is fairly common. Thor also fits that description.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 03:01 PM
I'm only speaking about her as a child. Once she grows up she's like everyone else on the island. Now once she leaves the island and goes out into normal society she's kind of back in that outcast type figure again but quickly conforms to it.

I'll admit she's not a typical outcast like a Rudolph but there are some aspects it in her.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 03:04 PM
Wonder Woman is similar to Black Panther in my mind. Maybe it's the expansive scenery and kickass action sequences but also the idea of a beloved figurehead with secrets yet to discover who then saves their civilisation/the world is fairly common. Thor also fits that description.

Haven't seen Black Panther so I'm not real sure but I can see it. Thor matches up good as well but in my opinion the progression of his story doesn't match up as much as Superman's does in Man of Steel.

XL
09-22-2018, 05:02 PM
The real question is “Is Black Panther an outcast?”

Destor
09-22-2018, 05:09 PM
The real question is “Is Black Panther an outcast?”

Well of course he was. He didnt have any other princes to play with.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 05:13 PM
As I said havent seen Black Panther or read any of his books so I don't know him real well but I'd assume he wouldn't be an outcast being a king and all.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 05:16 PM
Well of course he was. He didnt have any other princes to play with.

How you take that as what I mean as Wonder Woman being an outcast I don't understand. I guarntee you'd feel like an outcast if you'd never met another kid in your childhood. Being a prince or what ever Black Panther is wouldn't be the same.

Sixx
09-22-2018, 05:24 PM
Black Panther was an outcast cause he was black.

There, I said it.

Fignuts
09-22-2018, 06:02 PM
The definition of outcast is not "open to interpretation" ffs. She's practically the opposite of an outcast.

Fignuts
09-22-2018, 06:08 PM
How you take that as what I mean as Wonder Woman being an outcast I don't understand. I guarntee you'd feel like an outcast if you'd never met another kid in your childhood. Being a prince or what ever Black Panther is wouldn't be the same.

You're confusing personal loneliness with being an outcast. One is internal the other is external. How a character feels has literally nothing to do with being an outcast.

Kalyx triaD
09-22-2018, 06:24 PM
The definition of outcast is not "open to interpretation" ffs. She's practically the opposite of an outcast.

Yeah I can't believe you guys are talking about this.

Kalyx triaD
09-22-2018, 08:22 PM
I would like to confirm that on second viewing I like Justice League about 35% better than initial viewing. While Flash was too tryhard and the tonal shift was still more alarming than I would have done at worst I can call it an okay MCU movie. Which is still fine.

My BvS review, however, stands.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 08:52 PM
Yeah I can't believe you guys are talking about this.


Everybody is telling him the same thing. There is no discussion you berk.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 09:04 PM
You're confusing personal loneliness with being an outcast. One is internal the other is external. How a character feels has literally nothing to do with being an outcast.

Im not confusing anything, I undrstand your point but I feel one's feelings has alot to do with being an outcast. What was shown of her externally I interpreted as her internal feelings.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 09:08 PM
Everybody is telling him the same thing. There is no discussion you berk.

I'm just amazed people can't see the similarities in these two movies and the one that thing everyone is hung up on is me calling her an outcast. If you can't see how being the only child on an island full of adults would make you feel like an outcast I don't know what would.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:08 PM
This is how I'm going to die. I was hoping I'd get shot by a jealous husband but no it's going to be incredulity that stops my heart.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:11 PM
I'm just amazed people can't see the similarities in these two movies and the one that thing everyone is hung up on is me calling her an outcast. If you can't see how being the only child on an island full of adults would make you feel like an outcast I don't know what would.



Being cast out, probably.

A good prolonged bout of shunning would also do the trick.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:13 PM
Raising me up inside their adult society and taking me under their wing would make me feel all lovely and accepted.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 09:15 PM
Raising me up inside their adult society and taking me under their wing would make me feel all lovely and accepted.

That's not what was shown of young Diana though.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 09:20 PM
Being cast out, probably.

A good prolonged bout of shunning would also do the trick.

Ironic the people are hung up on the "simple" meaning of the word while I'm using it in a broader meaning. Words have more than one use and I don't see outcast being that far out in her situation.

Not sure what you mean there but I'm not one the shun anything.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:21 PM
There are so many words you could have used too.
Now we're stuck here like this forever, you trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and me rewording the same fact over and over again until someone gives up or dies.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 09:23 PM
Funny no one has given another word I could have used though. Credit to you though with the black sheep tjing but I feel that is pretty similar to being an outcast anyway.

R.I.P

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:23 PM
Some words do have more than one use. "Outcast" is not one of them.

Have you looked it up yet? There are numbers next to the definitions in most dictionaries for each differing use of a word.

I'll wait here while you go count how many uses "outcast" has in there.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 09:24 PM
Black Sheep like a boss

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 09:30 PM
I don't own a dictionary but after googling outcast, once I got past a band named Outcast it says: An outcast is someone who is rejected or 'cast out', as from home or society,[1] or in some way excluded, looked down upon, or ignored. In common English speech an outcast may be anyone who does not fit in with normal society, which can contribute to a sense of isolation.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 10:03 PM
Where did you get that from? I think that's a very misleading definition and the word "outcast" isn't used that way anywhere that I know of.

In fact looking at every major dictionary of worth(Oxford, Cambridge, Collins, Merriam Webster, Dictionary.com...) I can't find any back up to the assertion that the definition becomes purely figurative in "common English speech".

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 10:05 PM
Look at the synonyms. Pariah, exile, outlaw

Destor
09-22-2018, 10:07 PM
Funny no one has given another word I could have used though. Credit to you though with the black sheep tjing but I feel that is pretty similar to being an outcast anyway.

R.I.P

There isnt a word for lonely other than lonely

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 10:34 PM
There isnt a word for lonely other than lonely


Love Story 2: The Millenial Years

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 10:35 PM
Eskimos only have one word for snow too.

It's all bullshit.

Blonde Moment
09-22-2018, 10:39 PM
Perhaps you could argue that Diana's mother made her feel like an Outcast at times being so protective of her but every one else spoiled her to the point of defying their own queen because they loved the child so much

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 10:40 PM
Where did you get that from? I think that's a very misleading definition and the word "outcast" isn't used that way anywhere that I know of.

In fact looking at every major dictionary of worth(Oxford, Cambridge, Collins, Merriam Webster, Dictionary.com...) I can't find any back up to the assertion that the definition becomes purely figurative in "common English speech".

I told you I got it off Google. I don't know what Google uses for their definitions.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 10:42 PM
Perhaps you could argue that Diana's mother made her feel like an Outcast at times being so protective of her but every one else spoiled her to the point of defying their own queen because they loved the child so much

That's what I've been saying, same as Clark's parents did with him.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 10:47 PM
There isnt a word for lonely other than lonely

She was the only child but in no way was she lonely.

Destor
09-22-2018, 10:47 PM
She was such an outcast people commited treason for her

Destor
09-22-2018, 10:47 PM
:?:

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 10:50 PM
She was such an outcast people commited treason for her

Is that not part of the story? Someone who's different than everyone around her but inspires them to do what's right.

Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 11:09 PM
She was the only child but in no way was she lonely.



So if she wasn't lonely and she was accepted by her society how in any way could she be considered an outcast?

Your best shot at this was for somebody to notice that "outcast" is erroneously listed as a potential synonym of "lonely" in some dictionaries/thesaurus'.
I find it questionable at best but I'd have given it to you. Now you're back to saying she isn't lonely, just feels like she doesn't fit in and therefore feels "outcast".

That is misuse of the word. Anyone using the word "outcast" to describe their feelings in a society that accepts them is a melodramatic teenager.

She's Wonder Woman dawg, not the ghost girl from 13 Reasons.

I wonder if people got this confused the first time someone said "bad" to mean something really cool or great. I doubt it but then it obviously predates internet forums.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 11:18 PM
I never said or intended to imply that she was lonely. Being the only child makes her feel ostracized by her society whether they spoil her or not and therefore she's an outcast.

Simple Fan
09-22-2018, 11:26 PM
Here you go rejected, on the outside doing her own thing, and being told she's not ready to be a warrior on an island full of them. She's an outcast if I ever seen one.

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Seanny One Ball
09-22-2018, 11:54 PM
So when you were too young to go to the pub or join the army or vote you considered yourself an outcast?
The only thing you're relating the term to is the notion that she is socially isolated in some way due to her age. She wasn't banned from participating in everything.

Feeling left out doesn't make you an outcast. Feeling outcast doesn't make you an outcast.

I struggle to see "outcast" as anything more than exaggeration in this situation.

I'm not a little girl in the DC universe though so what do I know. Little girls are known for their overreactions so perhaps Wonder Tot really did feel pushed aside just because they wouldn't let her train.

Seanny One Ball
09-23-2018, 12:05 AM
They should have made the whole movie about this by the way. Two hours of a woman who feels like she's something she's not and whether that now means she is... because of politics and things.

Caitlyn Jenner could have been in it.

Destor
09-23-2018, 12:37 AM
Is that not part of the story? Someone who's different than everyone around her but inspires them to do what's right.

Being different doesnt make you and outcast being rejected makes you an outcast...

You keep using that word...i dont think it means what you think it means

Fignuts
09-23-2018, 01:17 AM
Im not confusing anything, I undrstand your point but I feel one's feelings has alot to do with being an outcast. What was shown of her externally I interpreted as her internal feelings.

You can "feel" that a forklift is a 7 foot bipedal lizard in a funny hat. You'd still be wrong.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-23-2018, 01:18 AM
Simple Fan is being taken to task yet he still persists. He's committed of nothing else.

Lock Jaw
09-23-2018, 01:45 AM
Simple Fan's opinions making him an outcast.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 02:11 AM
I've been an outcast on the forum since I started. I openly admit to being a redneck and have way different opinions on most things, this is nothing new.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 02:16 AM
Being different doesnt make you and outcast being rejected makes you an outcast...

You keep using that word...i dont think it means what you think it means

Was Diana not rejected training?

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 02:21 AM
Simple Fan is being taken to task yet he still persists. He's committed of nothing else.

I've gotten one person to at least see a fraction of outcast in Wonder Woman so I'll take that as a win. I'm not coming off my opinion though because she clearly showed some aspects of being an outcast.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 02:27 AM
So when you were too young to go to the pub or join the army or vote you considered yourself an outcast?
The only thing you're relating the term to is the notion that she is socially isolated in some way due to her age. She wasn't banned from participating in everything.

Feeling left out doesn't make you an outcast. Feeling outcast doesn't make you an outcast.

I struggle to see "outcast" as anything more than exaggeration in this situation.

I'm not a little girl in the DC universe though so what do I know. Little girls are known for their overreactions so perhaps Wonder Tot really did feel pushed aside just because they wouldn't let her train.

No because I had others around me that had those same limitations. She was the only one not allowed to do the things she wanted.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-23-2018, 03:09 AM
Except her aunt convinced her mom to allow her to not only join in the training she so badly wanted to be apart of, but to be pushed harder than the rest of her people. By the literal definition of the word, she wasn't an outcast. Regardless of how you get to get the word to fit your view of the movie.

Fignuts
09-23-2018, 04:05 AM
In my opinion the Buffalo Bills have won every Superbowl since it's inception and I was the Quarterback for every single one.

Everyone congratulate me.

Seanny One Ball
09-23-2018, 08:40 AM
Congratulations Caitlyn!

Theo Dious
09-23-2018, 08:50 AM
In my opinion the Buffalo Bills have won every Superbowl since it's inception and I was the Quarterback for every single one.

Everyone congratulate me.

Holy shit can I have your autograph???

Destor
09-23-2018, 10:22 AM
Was Diana not rejected training?

You have a terrible vocabulary

Destor
09-23-2018, 10:23 AM
:nono:

Sixx
09-23-2018, 10:26 AM
Did he mean "denied training" or "rejected during training"?

Cause I haven't seen WW.

Destor
09-23-2018, 10:32 AM
She was denied training yes lol

Seanny One Ball
09-23-2018, 10:33 AM
Denied then allowed but not rejected.

Sixx
09-23-2018, 10:33 AM
Damn, why lol? Did I say something equally retarded?

Kalyx triaD
09-23-2018, 01:28 PM
Was Diana not rejected training?

By her mom for several layered reasons. Her trainer was down with it.

The only scene even close to painting her as an outcast was the first time she used her gauntlet shock wave, and everybody was a little freaked out. Even then they got over it fairly quickly. Nobody gave her the Marvel mutant treatment.

Destor
09-23-2018, 01:38 PM
Im really glad i bumped this

Seanny One Ball
09-23-2018, 01:51 PM
This all started with a comparison to Superman.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 04:11 PM
Damn right it did, Man of Steel and Wonder Woman are the same damn movie.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 04:19 PM
You have a terrible vocabulary

I don't claim to have a great one either. Was rejected the wrong word there aswell? Sounds right to me.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-23-2018, 04:49 PM
Damn right it did, Man of Steel and Wonder Woman are the same damn movie.

Except, as it's been greatly highlighted, they are not beyond a general sense.

Seanny One Ball
09-23-2018, 05:20 PM
Superman was outcast from Krypton.

It's true, it's damned true.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 05:30 PM
Except, as it's been greatly highlighted, they are not beyond a general sense.

I haven't seen one post that has told me how the two are all that much different. Everyone was hung up on me calling Wonder Woman an outcast. At their core they're the same movie with pretty much identical progression.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-23-2018, 05:48 PM
Its been stated multiple times how their stories and characters are different. Your inability to actually comprehend that is beyond everybody else in the thread, apparently.

Sixx
09-23-2018, 05:50 PM
I don't claim to have a great one either. Was rejected the wrong word there aswell? Sounds right to me.

Seriously?

Man, I'm Polish and even my eyes bleed reading this.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 07:25 PM
Its been stated multiple times how their stories and characters are different. Your inability to actually comprehend that is beyond everybody else in the thread, apparently.

I've agreed the characters are different from the beginning but that doesn't stop the story from being the same. The two's journey throughout the films don't differ all that much.

Simple Fan
09-23-2018, 07:32 PM
Seriously?

Man, I'm Polish and even my eyes bleed reading this.

I mean I dont see much difference in Diana was rejected training and Diana was denied training. Both get the point across and say the same thing.

Seanny One Ball
09-23-2018, 08:09 PM
You may as well be saying Wonder Woman was a flibbledy flee for all it matters now.

Sixx
09-23-2018, 10:41 PM
I mean I dont see much difference in Diana was rejected training and Diana was denied training. Both get the point across and say the same thing.

DIANA NO TRAINING

Lock Jaw
09-24-2018, 01:16 AM
They are similar in that they both left home and fought villains from their culture's past. I'll give you that much. Everything else is widely different.

Simple Fan
09-24-2018, 01:28 PM
I'll take that but there is still more similarities in the two once you break it down.

Damian Rey 2.0
09-24-2018, 02:30 PM
There really isn't. It's been broken down for you for a few pages now but you are staunch in your opinion that they're similar. They're not. Completely different character arcs, traits and stories.

Simple Fan
09-24-2018, 11:22 PM
There really isn't. It's been broken down for you for a few pages now but you are staunch in your opinion that they're similar. They're not. Completely different character arcs, traits and stories.

No it hasn't, no one has told me how they're different other than the characters which I've agreed about. They still progress through the film almost step for step. As I've said if you take away the gender and the personality of the two they do the same thing. I'll agree Wonder Woman tells a more inspiring story than Man of Steel but the story board doesn't differ all that much.

Destor
09-24-2018, 11:34 PM
Most stories dont differ very much. Theres 4 major stort structures and 7 major archetypes. This shit aint complicated

Seanny One Ball
09-25-2018, 03:51 AM
But there's only one word for lonely

Destor
09-25-2018, 09:25 AM
I actually looked up the dictionaries synonyms for lonely and theyre all pretty terrible.

"synonyms: deserted, uninhabited, unfrequented, unpopulated, desolate, isolated, remote,"

Ive been really unpopulated lately

Seanny One Ball
09-25-2018, 10:12 AM
Lonesome, friendless, isolated

Sixx
09-25-2018, 01:01 PM
I actually looked up the dictionaries synonyms for lonely and theyre all pretty terrible.

"synonyms: deserted, uninhabited, unfrequented, unpopulated, desolate, isolated, remote,"

Ive been really unpopulated lately

"I've been unfrequented" is something a prostitute might say.

Destor
09-25-2018, 01:02 PM
:lol:

Destor
09-25-2018, 01:03 PM
that made guffaw pretty obnoxiously

Seanny One Ball
09-26-2018, 04:05 AM
Owner of an unfrequented heart

Sixx
09-26-2018, 04:08 AM
Andy Samberg and the Uninhabited Island are funny.

That actually makes sense.