Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

[slik]

Announced for the summer of 2015 at ComicCon, will be the official sequel to 'Man of Steel'.


http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18uhbkmo0j3bhjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/official-superman-sequel-will-feature-batman/

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Oh. This could very well end up being the first piece of Superman media I've ever seen. Damn you Hollywood.

[Kane Knight]

Emo Superman Returns

[Kalyx triaD]

JKDFNJE KGV QEK'RM K'OWNM'IOF x2

[Lock Jaw]

Hopefully it is better than Man of Steel.

[Frank Drebin]

Pfftt, only me and Kalyx know which issue JKDFNJE KGV QEK'RM K'OWNM'IOF x2 appeared in. All other opinions are worthless and will not be considered.

[Kalyx triaD]

Agreed.

[Lock Jaw]

I was kind of hoping for another solo Superman movie, though. I mean, I am not disappointed by this news or anything.... but yeah.... I had hopes that the Man of Steel sequel could be a great Superman movie now that they have "set the scene".

[Lock Jaw]

Pfftt, only me and Kalyx know which issue JKDFNJE KGV QEK'RM K'OWNM'IOF x2 appeared in. All other opinions are worthless and will not be considered.

Is he related to Mr. Mxyzptlk?

[VSG]

OH MY!

[XCaliber]

Not sure I like the idea of this being a direct sequel but regardless it will be interesting to see who is cast as The Batman and btw I prefer the following logo even though it was intended to be Routh's Supeman.

http://www.cinemaspy.com/img/user/batman-vs-superman_250.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

I was kind of hoping for another solo Superman movie, though. I mean, I am not disappointed by this news or anything.... but yeah.... I had hopes that the Man of Steel sequel could be a great Superman movie now that they have "set the scene".

Might still be possible for the next film to arrive before Batman/Superman since Warner Bros original or current plans were to speed up the filming process for the Superman reboot set and not follow the slower process from the Dark Knight set.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Skippord]

Jack Huston 4 Batman

[DaveWadding]

Will wait and see about this. Superman sucks and I loved Christian Bale's Batman in the most homosexual way possible.

[Nowhere Man]

This has the potential to be incredible. I mean, the way that Man of Steel ended--what with the catastrophic fight and half the city being destroyed--does kind of open an opportunity for a smarter, more strategically minded hero to try and smack some sense into him, as sort of a "come on, you know better" sort of way. Considering all of the critics kept bitching and moaning about how Man of Steel was too destructive and that Superman was reckless and violent, this could be an effective way to to an in-character retcon, basically forcing Superman to fight with his smarts as well as his power and get better at the whole "being the world's most powerful superhero" thing. And then presumably the two of them would team up to take on, say, Brainiac or a properly-done Lex Luthor (or preferably both).

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm annoyed at the whole destruction thing since a) that kind of destruction happened in a great many Superman comics, b) he's just barely 'Superman' at that point and his Pro-Life Code and classic battle strategy of a seasoned hero can't be expected of a guy's first day on the job.

[Nowhere Man]

I agree--and two other points on that: first off, the vast majority of the destruction that everyone's been whining about was from the World Engine, not from the fight itself--and secondly, after going back and watching it again, most (not all, but far and away the majority) of the building-smashing and whatnot was Zod, with Superman on the receiving end of the damage.

Unfortunately, common perception tends to have more weight than what actually happens in the movie, so the general consensus was that Superman just clumsily smashes buildings and kills everyone without a care in the world.

[Kalyx triaD]

Another thing that grinds my gears about the destruction argument is how in the event Superman and the General would have failed it would be complete and utter destruction and more than likely genocide from a deranged and pissed off alien.

So they can keep showing those cute infographs about how much the battle cost and how many people died, since I'm sure Krypton would love to suffer those stats.

[Kane Knight]

This has the potential to be incredible. I mean, the way that Man of Steel ended--what with the catastrophic fight and half the city being destroyed--does kind of open an opportunity for a smarter, more strategically minded hero to try and smack some sense into him, as sort of a "come on, you know better" sort of way. Considering all of the critics kept bitching and moaning about how Man of Steel was too destructive and that Superman was reckless and violent, this could be an effective way to to an in-character retcon, basically forcing Superman to fight with his smarts as well as his power and get better at the whole "being the world's most powerful superhero" thing. And then presumably the two of them would team up to take on, say, Brainiac or a properly-done Lex Luthor (or preferably both).

I like the Batmentor thing. Plus, he's Batman, so he can probably educate Clark on what it means to be a Kryptonian and how to best use his powers.

[alvarado52]

So, how close do you think they get to Dark Knight Returns territory?

[Nowhere Man]

I figure they'll say a line or two from it when Batman inevitably beats Superman since A) he's the fan favorite and B) generally speaking it's more satisfying to see the clever underdog beat the super-powerful demigod. My guess, though, is that the Superman/Batman fight won't be the finale--it'll probably be the end of the second act, after which they'll team up to fight the bigger villain in the end.

[Blitz]

Emo Superman Returns

Hopefully it is better than Man of Steel.
Terrible posts.

Ready for this.

[dronepool]

Man of Steel was the best Superman movie so I hope this comes out good and not cheesy or rushed.

[parkmania]

Gotta say, I'd love to see a Crisis-type event with Dean Cain and Tom Welling playing other realities' Supermen, and any number of the movie Batmen reprising their roles also.

[Lock Jaw]

Gotta say, I'd love to see a Crisis-type event with Dean Cain and Tom Welling playing other realities' Supermen, and any number of the movie Batmen reprising their roles also.

That would be pretty f'n amazing, but would never happen.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'd die of a heart attack. A similar 'never happening' event would be the MCU getting Fox's X-men cast and Sony's new Spidey. Also live-action Marvel vs DC with all the current actors, from Mark Ruffulo to Steven Amell.

[Nowhere Man]

I like the Batmentor thing. Plus, he's Batman, so he can probably educate Clark on what it means to be a Kryptonian and how to best use his powers.

I don't necessarily think Batman would be in a 'mentor' role, so much as a rival that would force Clark to step up his game via competition. Any education Bruce would give Superman would be the hard way.

[Kane Knight]

Terrible posts.


Emo Blitz.

[Kane Knight]

Though thinking about that, it sounds rather redundant.

[Blitz]

Calling one of your posts terrible isn't emo. It's a rather joyous thing, really.

[Fignuts]

lol blitz is pretty far from emo last I checked.

[Kane Knight]

Calling one of your posts terrible isn't emo. It's a rather joyous thing, really.

Cheer up, kitten.

[mitchables]

he's not even a little bit sad, what is wrong with you

[Kane Knight]

That is for a panel of qualified therapists to decide.

[Damian Rey]

Not excited for this, at all. A sequel two years later is a little quick, and it's really quick to be rebooting Batman, which just came out a year ago. Add to that I didn't care much at all for the Man of Steel effort, and I'm feeling really underwhelmed about this.

[Kalyx triaD]

You should probably avoid it then, because they're totally doing it.

[Damian Rey]

Lol, I'll keep an open, of course. Just feel like Supes deserves a real sequel, not a team up, and a new Batman deserves his own film to build him and his new world up before they rush him into an obvious cash move.

[mitchables]

the problem dc faces with this whole "wider universe" thing is that they're well, well behind where marvel is presently, so if they wait any longer, they're going to well and truly miss the wave of interest that they need to buoy such a venture, but rushing it is an equally treacherous position. arguably they're already trailing so far behind that they may as well wait 10-15 years before trying it at all.

and as much as i love batman and superman, i'm so tired of those two being the only people they ever really make films about. they have a world of great characters and they just don't put the faith in their back-up players (or even the female member of the trinity) that marvel did, much to their detriment.


they're just like "oh, green lantern didn't do so well, so screw wonder woman/the flash/martian manhunter/aquaman/hawkgirl/anyone else that isn't batman or superman", and it seems like a huge misstep and a waste.

[Damian Rey]

It is huge. From what I'm told from a friend at work who is a much bigger comic aficionado than I, Iron Man wasn't particularly popular the way he is now before the first film came out. Marvel took a chance on the film and it paid off, largely because they invested in the character and everything else came second. WB seems to miss that point, outside of Batman, which I think they got extremely lucky with, since they have yet to replicate any semblance of the success that the DK trilogy had.

Which sucks, because their animated films show that Green Lantern can be ood and fun, and Flash and WW are filled with potential.

[mitchables]

exactly. the animated wonder woman film is fantastic. if they could replicate that even a little bit in a live-action setting, they would have a hell of a property on their hands. but they're so caught up in making their live-action world "gritty" and "realistic" that we'd never see it. but so many of their characters are otherworldly and powered in ways that just don't fit inside a "realistic" universe. marvel, meanwhile, have themselves a norse god and just went to town with it. i know a lot of people don't really rate the thor movie, but i actually think, as far as capturing a "comic book" feel without being overly schmucky about it, they did pretty damn well. and then he fit in really well with the rest of the avengers.

aquaman, especially since the launch of the new 52, is rife with potential for a truly kick-ass movie. the flash could be amazing, getting into the speed force and the black racer and even zoom. i dunno, they just seem to be missing the point of everything that could be great about their characters.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Should have been a Green Lantern/Superman team-up. That Green Lantern film was fantastic.

:nono:

[Kalyx triaD]

lol

[Lock Jaw]

A Green Lantern/Superman film could have actually worked aces. Superman "exiles" himself into space for killing General Zod, like he did in the comic books. There he encounters Warworld/Mongul and then since it is in space, Green Lantern shows up and they team up to take it on.

[Kane Knight]

Honestly, this gets both the Superman sequel and the obligatory introduction of a new Batman out of the way in one piece rather than two, possibly expanding exposure and maybe even introducing other characters and possibly even promoting a further expanded universe. I don't see it as a problem and I certainly don't see the combination as being done instead of whatever other fanwank people want to see before a JLA movie.

I mean, unless you actually dislike the franchises. Then fuck that shit.

[slik]

exactly. the animated wonder woman film is fantastic. if they could replicate that even a little bit in a live-action setting, they would have a hell of a property on their hands. but they're so caught up in making their live-action world "gritty" and "realistic" that we'd never see it. but so many of their characters are otherworldly and powered in ways that just don't fit inside a "realistic" universe. marvel, meanwhile, have themselves a norse god and just went to town with it. i know a lot of people don't really rate the thor movie, but i actually think, as far as capturing a "comic book" feel without being overly schmucky about it, they did pretty damn well. and then he fit in really well with the rest of the avengers.

aquaman, especially since the launch of the new 52, is rife with potential for a truly kick-ass movie. the flash could be amazing, getting into the speed force and the black racer and even zoom. i dunno, they just seem to be missing the point of everything that could be great about their characters.



The Wonder Woman animated film is really good, way better than I thought it would be.

Aquaman has been given a big boost in the comics the last few years, he comes across as a legit bad ass, as does Mera.


When I was watching Flashpoint the other day (also a thumbs up) I was thinking about how it would be interesting if DC started their Justice League movie like that, in an alternate reality where the heroes were fighting, rather than the traditional, we meet, we bond, we fight team origin.


It would be a different take.

[dronepool]

introduction of a new Batman

Technically Batman doesn't need an introduction. He should just show up. Just get a guy to play a good Bruce and have Bats be smart and ready for anything... except death metal vocals.

[Kane Knight]

Technically Batman doesn't need an introduction. He should just show up. Just get a guy to play a good Bruce and have Bats be smart and ready for anything... except death metal vocals.

They are effectively introducing him, no matter what they do. That's what I was referencing.

However, since they plan on taking him in "new, exciting directions" or whatever, they probably do need the kind of introduction you're talking about.

[McLegend]

Who will have existed first in the terms of this universe? Batman or Superman?


Probably Superman...

[Kalyx triaD]

Thinking Batman.

[Kalyx triaD]

I mean, you don't think they're gonna do his origin in Superman's sequel? He's gonna appear already established.

[McLegend]

I would think, but you don't need an origin story for Batman anymore.

[Kalyx triaD]

And when the new sets off to the new Bat-movies I'm thinking it'll most likely have the rest of the Gotham Knights. Joker will be the main villain for part 3 instead the first or second. And it will be 20% lighter with more attempts at humor (mostly from Robin or Batgirl). Stephen Amell will cameo at some point.

[McLegend]

Are you serious about the Stephen Amell?

[Kalyx triaD]

No. :(

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/110/012/original/Superman-Batman-movie-hi-res-logo.jpg?1374525254

[slik]

Not crazy about the Bat logo, not sure why.

It will likely evolve though, like a WM logo tends to, as time goes on.

[Kalyx triaD]

You kidding? That's Frank Miller's logo. It was very deliberate.

[Lock Jaw]

Really hope that they don't have Batman beating up Superman in the movie. Had enough of that, and it only fuels people who think Superman is stupid and lame.

[Kalyx triaD]

Only silly people. Batman humbling Superman has been done to death but it's gonna be what the new Batman needs to make a statement going into his own franchise. Since they're going for an older Bruce, we'll be getting an experienced Batman, I suppose.

People who think Superman is stupid and lame will never be sated and I say fuck em. You can't make movies to the whims those kinds of people. Superman Returns; too boring. Man of Steel; too much action/destruction. You just can't get some people.

[JimmyMess]

Definitely digging this potential Frank Miller-style Batman

[Fignuts]

They're definitely going to have a moment of batman getting one over on supes, if only to show he's in the same league despite having no powers

[Fignuts]

Only silly people. Batman humbling Superman has been done to death but it's gonna be what the new Batman needs to make a statement going into his own franchise. Since they're going for an older Bruce, we'll be getting an experienced Batman, I suppose.

People who think Superman is stupid and lame will never be sated and I say fuck em. You can't make movies to the whims those kinds of people. Superman Returns; too boring. Man of Steel; too much action/destruction. You just can't get some people.

Superman has never been a favorite, but that's because he is hard to write for, and a lot of stuff I've read just didn't do it for me.

That said, there have been stories I've really enjoyed. All Star, Kingdom Come, and Brainiac for example. They're just few and far between for me.

[Kalyx triaD]

I know this.

[Lock Jaw]

They can have Batman one-up Superman with his brain or whatever, but I have zero desire to see him physically beat up Superman.

[Lock Jaw]

Also,

Since they're going for an older Bruce, we'll be getting an experienced Batman, I suppose.

Where have you seen that they are going for an older Bruce?

[Kalyx triaD]

They can have Batman one-up Superman with his brain or whatever, but I have zero desire to see him physically beat up Superman.

What makes you think that's possible outside of a certain green rock? What are you referring to for this idea?

And the current casting rumors say WB's looking for a late 30s/early 40s chap.

[Lock Jaw]

I am referring to the many times in comic books where they have Batman beat up Superman so he can look "badass".

[Kalyx triaD]

Often using something. He doesn't just waltz up and kick his ass like you're making it sound. I am well aware of the trend of humbling Clark, just spoke about it at length actually, but he's not the pinata to Bruce like that.

[Kalyx triaD]

In fact, peep the first issue of the 2000's Superman/Batman where Kingdom Come Superman makes a kinda sorta cameo. He has some commentary of that very status quo that should make you feel better.

[Lock Jaw]

Often using something. He doesn't just waltz up and kick his ass like you're making it sound.

Wasn't trying to make it sound like that. Obviously he's got to use something.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well in that case why is it a problem? It's a handicapped Superman. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[Lock Jaw]

It is for us die-hard Superman fans who have been living for years under the torment of "Superman sucks. Batman is way better. Batman can kick his ass. Superman is Superlame"

[Kalyx triaD]

Let it go. We know what his values are, why care what others think?

[Lock Jaw]

I don't, but it doesn't mean I can't state my own personal wishes.

[Raven Reaper]

When I first saw those overlapping logos, I thought they could make a new Justice League movie despite those 2 are at the front row seats of the roster..

[JimmyMess]

Also,



Where have you seen that they are going for an older Bruce?

IGN posted a story the other day about casting rumors. Apparently the filmmakers are seeking someone in their 40's or older to play Batman.

[parkmania]

I would like to see a Batman that really plays his martial arts skills to the fullest. It scares me to say it, but if they're looking for an older actor for Bruce, what would people think of Mister Four Initials?

JCVD, if I'm too cryptic.

[Nark Order]

Superman isn't a relatable character and I don't think he'll ever be to me.

[KIRA]

I was in the "Superman sucks" camp,the whole unrelatable, boring hero argument then All-Star Superman came along and made me really appreciate him.

[McLegend]

What about Tom Hardy playing Batman? Sure he's younger then the rumors are saying, but that would be pretty cool.

[Damian Rey]

Not digging the idea of a 40 year old Batman.

[RoXer]

what if Bruce Wayne play batman

[slik]

Ian McKellen should play Batman.

Judi Dench should play Alfred.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I've got it lads. Danny DeVito plays him at the beginning when he's retired and chilling on a beach with Alfred sipping on some mojito's. Then some nasty little critter causes havoc, his red bat-phone goes off to ask for his help. We then get a 5-10 minute montage of him training to get back in shape, and at the end, out walks Arnold Schwarzenegger with the bat mask in hand.

[parkmania]

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[Corporate CockSnogger]

Another solid idea right there. A puppet Batman could be very innovative.

[DaveBrawl]

I would like to see a Batman that really plays his martial arts skills to the fullest. It scares me to say it, but if they're looking for an older actor for Bruce, what would people think of Mister Four Initials?

JCVD, if I'm too cryptic.
I would die a happy man, possibly in the theatre.

[Rammsteinmad]

I would also die a happy man, but probably not until the DVD release.

[Kalyx triaD]

JCVD as Batman would be terrible. Stop that.

[DaveBrawl]

Never, let me dream.

[Kalyx triaD]

That's cool, too.

[Curtis Anderson]

Umm, Christian Bale is in his late 40s anyway. He's a dead cert to play The Batman one more time. Mark my words Christian Bale will be in this movie, you can put your house on it.

[Lock Jaw]

Umm, Christian Bale is in his late 40s anyway. He's a dead cert to play The Batman one more time. Mark my words Christian Bale will be in this movie, you can put your house on it.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7782/nochance.jpg

[XCaliber]

Umm, Christian Bale is in his late 40s anyway. He's a dead cert to play The Batman one more time. Mark my words Christian Bale will be in this movie, you can put your house on it.

Bale is only 39 dude anyways I wouldn't mind seeing Jim Caviezel in the role.

[VSG]

For some reason that quote in Lock Jaw's post did not show up instantly and I thought he was suggesting Vinny Mac play Batman :|

[Lock Jaw]

Vinny Mac would make a great "older" Batman

[mitchables]

according to some newsy things i've seen, some of the front runners are ryan gosling, josh brolin, richard armitage, max martini and matthew goode

not really loving any of those names

[mitchables]

actually, because i am fickle and this picture is pretty sweet, i could get behind the idea of josh brolin if i really had to

http://31.media.tumblr.com/09630c6d27ea6053094e42da779a322e/tumblr_mr4x68xuM91rg2j3ko1_500.jpg

[Fignuts]

I could definitely get behind that.

[Skippord]

fag

anyway I am a big fan of Josh Brolin, Gosling, and Matthew Goode but I don't like any of them for Batman

Matthew Goode would be a cool Aquaman or something though

[McLegend]

I don't like the Josh Brolin rumors.

Mind you I wouldn't know who to pick, but I wouldn't go with him.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Adam West

[McLegend]

He would be an older Batman.

[Blitz]

Matthew Goode could play up the psycho saviour side of Batman, no prob.

[Skippord]

I think he's already done that

[Skippord]

I want it to be Joe Manganiello

he's the best

[Swiss Ultimate]

Robert Downey Jr. as Batman.

[VSG]

Damn right

[Skippord]

boooo

[Heisenberg]

I want it to be Joe Manganiello

he's the best

True Blood Alumni, good choice, I approve

[parkmania]

Just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks:

Would anyone want to see Jean Paul Valley in the movies?

[DaveBrawl]

Yes, but I am a fan of many things awful.

[Kalyx triaD]

In some capacity, sure. Just not a transplant of the Knightfall thing.

[parkmania]

So, Batman yes - Azbat no?

[Kalyx triaD]

Not even as Batman at all, perhaps out the gate as Azreal.

[Damian Rey]

I'd like to see them wait on all the additional characters. I really want an established but still somewhat young (early 30s) Batman adopting Dick Grayson and dealing with the aspects of being a father figure and allowing a young but skilled child like Dick joining his war on crime.

[Sixx]

according to some newsy things i've seen, some of the front runners are ryan gosling, josh brolin, richard armitage, max martini and matthew goode

not really loving any of those names

Ryan Gosling?

The fuck?

[Nark Order]

Ryan Gosling could definitely be Batman, IMO.

[Damian Rey]

I think, in terms of overall chops, Gosling is the strongest choice. I'd prefer someone with a bigger build, maybe a better voice, and darker hair, but two of those things can be remedied. So I guess his voice may be the only if for me.

But I'd be stoked to see the role go from an esteemed actor in Bale to another esteemed actor in Gosling. Brings a bit of prestige to the role.

[Sixx]

So, supposedly they offered Bale $50 million to star in this.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a506175/christian-bale-offered-usd50-million-to-return-for-superman-vs-batman.html

The worst part of this article:

Orlando Bloom has emerged as a potential "hot favourite" to take over the Batman role from Bale.

[Kalyx triaD]

The Orlando Bloom thing is horse shit. Possibly every rumor we heard so far is horse shit, except for Mark Strong as Lex.

[Sixx]

The Orlando Bloom thing is horse shit. Possibly every rumor we heard so far is horse shit, except for Mark Strong as Lex.

And how do we know this particular rumor is not horse shit?

I love Mark Strong.

[Kalyx triaD]

It flies in the face of the consistent rumors (an older Batman). And then there's my gut that's correct more often than not. And the way it's worded too - "Hot favorite". Orlando Bloom? Really?

[Sixx]

It flies in the face of the consistent rumors (an older Batman). And then there's my gut that's correct more often than not. And the way it's worded too - "Hot favorite". Orlando Bloom? Really?

I was asking how do we know the rumor about Mark Strong being Lex is not horse shit?

[Kalyx triaD]

He had a most interesting tweet in reaction to the rumors.

[slik]

I would be upset if Orlando Bloom was playing Bruce Wayne.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

They should cast a black man as batman. Or a woman.

[Sixx]

They should cast a black man as batman. Or a woman.

He/she should be gay, too.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Raven Seymone Thinner Waist + Boob Fondle = DAMN just came out as a lesbian I think.

We have our Batman ladies and gents.

[Kalyx triaD]

That was actually horrible news to me.

[Miotch]

If they're going for old bat man just give it to Jack Black and move on.

[Kalyx triaD]

I am vengeance... I am the night.... I... am ROCK AND ROOOOOOOLL

[Juan]

Fan art, but still cool

http://24.media.tumblr.com/0c99cdfdeb91dedca4f04f726b0f1b87/tumblr_mrll6ob9DK1rg2j3ko1_500.jpg

[Blitz]

So, supposedly they offered Bale $50 million to star in this.
Nonsense.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/08/14/christian-bale-batman-50-million/

[Asmo]

Can i just say that i hate this Batman + Superman logo combine? The Batman logo makes me think that the Batman has become an obese motherfucker.

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/images/fat-batman.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

That's how Frank Miller had it. Has a nice nook to it, personally.

[Reavant]

eh not really

[Kalyx triaD]

I didn't really like it personally?

[Boondock Saint]

Ben Affleck will be Batman

http://www.deadline.com/2013/08/ben-affeck-to-play-batman-in-warner-bros-batman-superman-pic/

[slik]

I don't know if I like that.

[Juan]

Applesauce, bitch!

[mitchables]

ben affleck, really?

i don't know if i can get behind that. worry that he will suffer from the same problem clooney had in the role. like awful movie aside, batman and robin was never going to work because i just couldn't believe clooney was being anyone other than clooney. it's all part of a wider objection to casting renowned actors in these roles. i want to look at the screen and see batman, not ben affleck in a batman suit.

[McLegend]

Interesting

[Blitz]

The faster people realize that this is not going to be Chris Nolan's Batverse, the better off we'll be. Already I've seen an inordinate (even for the internet) amount of bitching about this. I've never understood why Affleck gets the shit he does. He's a good actor who's turned in some excellent performances. I'm fine with this.

[Sixx]

Oh, come on.

I gotta say, he recently grew on me (mainly as a director, but his acting is also good, especially comparing it to the earlier shit like Gigli or say, Daredevil) but the fuck is this? He's got this cute, charming guy shit going on in his face, boyish smile or whatever. That is fucking gay.

[RoXer]

I thought Bruce Waynes was Batman

[Sixx]

I thought Bruce Waynes was Batman

Wayans even.

[mitchables]

The faster people realize that this is not going to be Chris Nolan's Batverse, the better off we'll be. Already I've seen an inordinate (even for the internet) amount of bitching about this. I've never understood why Affleck gets the shit he does. He's a good actor who's turned in some excellent performances. I'm fine with this.

all true, but he's not suited to this kind of movie. i maintain that his recognisability will adversely affect the immersiveness of the film, regardless of the tone they pursue with it. :-\

[loopydate]

I respect Affleck as an actor. He's cultivated an excellent career. However, I saw Daredevil.

[dronepool]

It's just a movie I like Batman a lot and I don't care, I'll see the trailer and if it sucks I'll do what I always do, smoke some pot and move on. But I do LOVE seeing fanboys all upset.

[McLegend]

I think Daredevil isn't bad. It's get's a lot of unnecessary shit. I like it.

However it still wasn't that good... So I agree Loopy.

[Blitz]

all true, but he's not suited to this kind of movie. i maintain that his recognisability will adversely affect the immersiveness of the film, regardless of the tone they pursue with it. :-\
So you're saying he's too famous and you won't be able to suspend disbelief, or what?

[Sixx]

Now let's hope Nicholas Cage pulls the strings to finally realise his dream of playing Superman.

http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/nicolas-cage-superman-lives.jpg

Cast Cedric the Entertainer as Alfred, too, because why the fuck not?

[Lock Jaw]

Looking through his IMDB, the only movies I have ever seen Ben Affleck in are Armageddon (which I don't remember at all) and Daredevil.

[slik]

Christian Bale comes across as someone who could punch you and you'd be down for the count. Mark Wahlberg (I wouldn't cast Mark Wahlberg as Batman) comes across as someone who could punch you and you'd be down for the count. Ben Affleck seems to me like someone who could punch you and you'd be like 'Aight, bitch, that's all you've got'. I just feel like Batman should be someone who won't leave me feeling 'Aight, bitch that's all you got'.

[slik]

Ben Affleck is going to have to punch me. This is probably the only way for me to determine if he is a good choice.

[Kane Knight]

The faster people realize that this is not going to be Chris Nolan's Batverse, the better off we'll be. Already I've seen an inordinate (even for the internet) amount of bitching about this. I've never understood why Affleck gets the shit he does. He's a good actor who's turned in some excellent performances. I'm fine with this.

Maybe they remember his last superhero movie.

I don't know, just saying maybe pttern recognition actually accounts for something.

[Kane Knight]

For the record, I don't care. If he's good, he's good. If he's bad, then comedy gold.

[Blitz]

Maybe they remember his last superhero movie.

I don't know, just saying maybe pttern recognition actually accounts for something.
Ideally, they could remember that a shitty 10 year old superhero movie is not the be all, end all. Perhaps they could look at the good films he's been a part of. Pattern recognition, and all.

[Kalyx triaD]

Gonna wait and see. Interesting news.

[Skippord]

Ben Affleck isn't even the best actor with the last name Affleck

seems like a wonderfully nice guy and a good director, but I do not like this, Sam I Am.

[slik]

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[Skippord]

I even like Daredevil(for some reason) and hate the idea of Ben Affleck playing Batman

Colin Farrell would be better

[Kane Knight]

Ideally, they could remember that a shitty 10 year old superhero movie is not the be all, end all. Perhaps they could look at the good films he's been a part of. Pattern recognition, and all.

I'm sure you can name several that are actually similar in possible style and scope to a superhero movie, but I can't. Pattern recognition requires, you know, a pattern.

Sorry to get you all upset and all.

seems like a wonderfully nice guy and a good director


Indeed.

[Kane Knight]

I even like Daredevil(for some reason) and hate the idea of Ben Affleck playing Batman

Colin Farrell would be better

Especially if Baatman kills people with paperclips and peanuts.

[Blitz]

I'm sure you can name several that are actually similar in possible style and scope to a superhero movie, but I can't. Pattern recognition requires, you know, a pattern.
Of course, it stands to reason that if an actor is bad in one film in a genre, there's no way that they could ever be good in another film in that genre. Never mind the fact that today's superhero film is pretty far removed from where they were a decade ago.

Lot of available pattern recognition off of that singular superhero film he did.

[mitchables]

So you're saying he's too famous and you won't be able to suspend disbelief, or what?

short answer yes with an if, long answer no with a but

[slik]

Battfleck

[Skippord]

Joe Manganiello would've been so much better and taller and more handsome

and with a huge dick probably...I've said too much

[Malfeitor]

I read that they wanted an "older" actor to play Batman and that the front runner was Josh Brolin. That would've been awesome.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Who would be better to play older Batman than Michael Keaton? Missed opportunity.

[Kalyx triaD]

That would cause all manner of confusion.

[Tazz Dan]

Hey remember when EVERYONE got upset because Heath Ledger was cast to play The Joker, because there's no way he'd never be as good as Nicholson?

[parkmania]

If they wanted A) an older Batman with B) name recognition, why not Bruce Willis?


Oh, and by the way, don't forget it could always have been worse. We could have gotten Matt Damon:

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[Rammsteinmad]

Love it DC! Finally doing any kind of crossover movie, and it doesn't even get the actors who established themselves as the characters.

Personally, I love Affleck, but if they really wanted a crossover/team-up appeal, it should be Christian Bale.

[Skippord]

Hey remember when EVERYONE got upset because Heath Ledger was cast to play The Joker, because there's no way he'd never be as good as Nicholson?
did people really get that upset? and it's different because Heath Ledger was a good actor. who wasn't in Pearl Harbor.

[Skippord]

really hoping Jason Lee plays Lex Luthor or something now.

[Skippord]

speaking of Jason Lee, he is not looking great

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTgwOTk2MTMwN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTE3MDUyNw@@._V1._SX214_CR0,0,214,314_.jpg

[VSG]

The way I see it is, it isn't Adam Sandler. So it won't be a comedy movie and thus I will remain optimistic.

[Skippord]

Looking at Ben Affleck's imdb page did not help any of my negative feelings toward this casting.

[Skippord]

It did however make me want them to cast Jon Hamm. So now I'm double mad.

[Tommy Gunn]

+1 for Josh Brolin, fuck Affleck

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Hope he plays him in the style of Adam West. Could put him right at the top of the list of Batmen.

[Mr Burns]

http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/5/22/the-internets-reaction-to-heath-ledger-being-cast-as-the-jok.html#KpJBiuJFVUqSyRyA.01

This is gold.

[Sixx]

http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/5/22/the-internets-reaction-to-heath-ledger-being-cast-as-the-jok.html#KpJBiuJFVUqSyRyA.01

This is gold.

I like the comment where the dude says Mark Hamill would be a great choice because "the voice of the Joker is by far his best role and the one he was born to play".

Following that logic, this is the best choice for Batman:

http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kevin-conroy.jpg

[Skippord]

I've read sooooo many comments saying Kevin Conroy should be Batman

probably would be better than Ben Affleck, but still

[The Rogerer]

Kevin Conroy plays a cheesy Batman that didn't work in the Arkham games. It is clearly a voice acting performance that would look stupid coming from an actual human, and he looks like Rolf Harris.

[Kane Knight]

Of course, it stands to reason that if an actor is bad in one film in a genre, there's no way that they could ever be good in another film in that genre. Never mind the fact that today's superhero film is pretty far removed from where they were a decade ago.

Lot of available pattern recognition off of that singular superhero film he did.

Love the histrionics.

It does stand to reason that stepping outside the element for which he's known and accomplished in order to do a movie in a genre both out of his comfort zone and in which he's done poorly once before might be at issue.

Now. Do I need to get Fangerl to spoon you and whisper in your ear how awesome Ben Affleck is to soothe the bruised feelings, or....?

[Kane Knight]

Hope he plays him in the style of Adam West. Could put him right at the top of the list of Batmen.

That would backfire. It would only serve to remind us of how awesome West was and how much better we'd be watching his Batman movie.

I like the comment where the dude says Mark Hamill would be a great choice because "the voice of the Joker is by far his best role and the one he was born to play".

Following that logic, this is the best choice for Batman:

http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kevin-conroy.jpg

Kevin Conroy is Batman. No, really. That's what's so awesome. He seems unassuming until he puts on the tights and starts jumping around the city with a grappling hook.

[DaveBrawl]

I was one of the 4 people that liked the Daredevil movie, so I have good feelings about this.

[Emperor Smeat]

Leaning towards meh on Affleck as Batman. He probably won't be bad in the role but some of the other names rumored or speculated would have been a better choice.

[Kalyx triaD]

The ineffectiveness of the Heath Ledger/Micheal Keaton examples make me wanna avoid any debates on sight. How many times did something teach us to Wait & See and how many times to people still spazz out on the internet.

[Rammsteinmad]

I was one of the 4 people that liked the Daredevil movie, so I have good feelings about this.

I loved the Daredevil movie. I even have a DD movie t-shirt. :D

[The Destroyer]

Going to give Affleck a chance, I guess.

[Innovator]

Joe Manganiello would've been so much better and taller and more handsome

and with a huge dick probably...I've said too much
Joe Manganiello is my spirit animal

[loopydate]

The ineffectiveness of the Heath Ledger/Micheal Keaton examples make me wanna avoid any debates on sight. How many times did something teach us to Wait & See and how many times to people still spazz out on the internet.

If either of those had previously failed in a comparable movie, this would be a valid argument. But, unless I'm remembering incorrectly and "Mr. Mom" was actually about a man who was bitten by a radioactive mother and became the masked vigilante Mr. Mom, it's not.

[Kalyx triaD]

You're gonna sit here and say A Knight's Tale was quality? And Keaton's backlog was before my interest in him but I'm certain everything he did was not a hit.

[McLegend]

Brokeback Moutain

[McLegend]

This is way more negative then Heath Ledge's casting. It's not close.


This has gotten DC a lot of publicity. I don't know how many other names would have done that... Like to this extent.

[Fignuts]

I think most peoples qualms come from what Sixx was saying. The guy has a very babyfaced look about him. Acting ability doesnt factor into it.

[loopydate]

You're gonna sit here and say A Knight's Tale was quality? And Keaton's backlog was before my interest in him but I'm certain everything he did was not a hit.

Not my point. Although, yes, A Knight's Tale was incredibly entertaining.

My point was that people judged those actors being cast in superhero movies based on previous work that was not superhero movies. My point is that Ben Affleck has made a terrible superhero movie, so it's a little more fair to judge this bit of casting than it was to judge Ledger and Keaton.

[McLegend]

It's definitely about his acting. He's been in a lot of bad movies, and he was bad in them. On the other side of the coin he's been in good movies which he also acted very well in... I don't know.

Gun to my head I would rather have him directing the movie then being Batman.

[loopydate]

^ Agreed. An Affleck-helmed Batman would be much better than Affleck as Batman.

[McLegend]

He was asked to direct Man of Steel.

[Sixx]

Gun to my head I would rather have him directing the movie then being Batman.

Yes.

I would be all for an Aflfleck-directed Batman, but fuck no, he is not Batman.

Direct it, mate, but stay the fuck away from the cast.

[Kalyx triaD]

DD being bad (although the director's cut was an improvement) had little to do with Ben's acting, so much as the writing, theatrical cut, and Fox's insistence on make it their version of 'cool' (the Bring Me To Life montage, though I like Evanescence, was cringe-worthy).

We don't even need to go back that far for an example on waiting to see results - Chris Evans also stared in bad superhero movies before he did good ones. We can go back right now in this forum and take a look at reactions to him getting the Cap part.

[Kalyx triaD]

Errr, Cobbie Smulders as Maria Hill would most definetely not work.

What's the overall opinon of Chris Evans being Captain America? Favorable? unfavorable?

I don't think I like it.

I have no problem with Chris Evans. I do like him as an actor. He does always play that cocky guy, and he is good at playing that type of character. I just have trouble seeing him as Captain America.

I don't think he has it. I hope I am wrong.

How is Chris Evans in the running? I've only ever seen him play douchebags. He would have made a great Human Torch, had the FF movie not been a total abortion in the first place.

Happy for Evans but... I don't know. At least that mystery's done with.

[McLegend]

So you have no problems with Ben Affleck as Batman then?

[Kalyx triaD]

Nope. I am utterly neutral about it, leaning toward optimism at best.

My point is going the other route after being surprised and proven wrong in the past is starting to look silly. And I added my own quote about my softest of doubts with Chris Evans to be Fair and Balanced.

[Kane Knight]

If either of those had previously failed in a comparable movie, this would be a valid argument. But, unless I'm remembering incorrectly and "Mr. Mom" was actually about a man who was bitten by a radioactive mother and became the masked vigilante Mr. Mom, it's not.

Uh-oh.

You're gonna sit here and say A Knight's Tale was quality? And Keaton's backlog was before my interest in him but I'm certain everything he did was not a hit.

Do note "comparable," though.

Additionally, A Knight's Tale was hardly brilliant, but Ledger didn't exactly do horrible in it, especially given the constraints of what it was.

Daredevil was mocked even by the standards of what it was (no superhero movie is really going to be put up next to The Godfather, but come on) and even given its contemporaries.

As a Power Rangers fan, I'm surprised you're using what is essentially a niche film as an example of a Ledger flick. It's ridonkulous, it's bombastic, it's over-the-top. Kind of like five guys in spandex running around to shitty power metal licks.

DD didn't even have that, except maybe for a few moments of Colin Farrell being ridiculous. It was, by all evidence, intended to be a dramatic film with the gravity of something much closer to Batman Begins. And it was terrible at it.

It probably would have been better if it had gone full on ridiculous, a la Batman Forever or whatever. I think people would get behind stupid and corny over stupid, corny, and Twilight.

Unless that's your expectation of this movie.

In which case....Well played, I guess.....

[Kalyx triaD]

I wouldn't hold PR and mainstream film on the same standards.

[DaveBrawl]

All this Michael Keaton downplaying is hurting my soul.

Gonna go watch Batman again, love that movie so much.

[Kane Knight]

DD being bad (although the director's cut was an improvement) had little to do with Ben's acting, so much as the writing, theatrical cut, and Fox's insistence on make it their version of 'cool' (the Bring Me To Life montage, though I like Evanescence, was cringe-worthy).

We don't even need to go back that far for an example on waiting to see results - Chris Evans also stared in bad superhero movies before he did good ones. We can go back right now in this forum and take a look at reactions to him getting the Cap part.

Affleck's acting was kind of a problem in that he really wasn't playing Daredevil.

Also, go ahead and bookmark this post. If, when I see the movie, I find Affleck to be decent in the role, revisit this and I will say I was wrong.

I doubt I will. I had faith in Ledger (I think I even said so on here) and don't think I ever had an opinion on Evans. I don't think there's a radical change on either front.

Also, the odds of me watching this in theaters are almost nil, so don't expect a confessional three hours after the midnight screening or something.

Time will, of course, tell. However, all we're doing is talking based on what we've got so far. And based on current info, I will go on record as saying I think this is a bad idea. I enjoy Affleck, but he seems to have a pretty limited range of roles he's good at. This is part of why I didn't want to sound off on Evans--I'd seen him in exactly one role before. I grew up with Affleck.

And honestly? If he's good, he's good, like I said before.

[Kane Knight]

I wouldn't hold PR and mainstream film on the same standards.

Obviously.

[Fignuts]

The thing with Evans is that most people had only seen him as Jhonny Storm, so they had trouble picturing a cocky douchebag as Cap. But Evans at least looked the role.

[DaveBrawl]

Why wouldn't Affleck look the part? It won't be hard to make him look old and bitter as Bruce and when you throw the rubber suit on him, he'll look like Batman just like Iceman, Betelgeuse, Dr. Doug Ross and Trevor Reznik did. Now will the movie be good or not? No way to tell, but the look can be easy to overcome.

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly the deal that got Affleck the role of Batman also includes a role for the upcoming Justice League film and any future films spawning from Batman vs Superman. Also could end up being the director or help direct the Justice League film.

Ben Affleck was the first choice candidate for the role but Josh Brolin and Ryan Gosling were also contacted as possibilities. Gosling rejected the offer due to him not liking to act in sequels of movies.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-ben-affleck-said-yes-613658

[Blitz]

Love the histrionics.
I apologize. Clearly I flew off the handle there.

[Sixx]

Nope. I am utterly neutral about it, leaning toward optimism at best.

My point is going the other route after being surprised and proven wrong in the past is starting to look silly. And I added my own quote about my softest of doubts with Chris Evans to be Fair and Balanced.

Well, I still don't think Smulders is a good Maria Hill. In Avengers she was just a secondary character named Maria Hill.

[Skippord]

Why wouldn't Affleck look the part? It won't be hard to make him look old and bitter as Bruce and when you throw the rubber suit on him, he'll look like Batman just like Iceman, Betelgeuse, Dr. Doug Ross and Trevor Reznik did. Now will the movie be good or not? No way to tell, but the look can be easy to overcome.
in fairness 3 of those 4 guys looked and acted nothing like Batman

h8 all Batman that aren't Christian Bale. :heart: u for going Trevor Reznik instead of Patrick Bateman or kid from Newsies

[DaveBrawl]

No doubt they acted nothing like Batman (except Keaton, love that movie), but to me that's on the script and director of those more so than the actors playing it (except Clooney he was just terrible). But the costume had them all looking like Batman (until that silver thing they put Clooney in made him into one of those special suit action figures you see in the toy aisle).


I've never even heard of Newsies, and the Machinist may be the only Bale movie I've seen that didn't have Batman in it. Have to keep it fresh.

[DaveBrawl]

Well after looking at his wiki list I guess I've also seen: 3:10 to Yuma, Shaft, Public Enemies, the Fighter and maybe the Prestige.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

If you haven't seen The Prestige, you def should. Love that film.

[Skippord]

ooooh The Prestige is the best

it has like 9 places that it could end

[Skippord]

No doubt they acted nothing like Batman (except Keaton, love that movie), but to me that's on the script and director of those more so than the actors playing it (except Clooney he was just terrible). But the costume had them all looking like Batman (until that silver thing they put Clooney in made him into one of those special suit action figures you see in the toy aisle).


I've never even heard of Newsies, and the Machinist may be the only Bale movie I've seen that didn't have Batman in it. Have to keep it fresh.
That's fair. I believe Newsies is like his 2nd movie. I have a massive crush on Christian Bale.

I meant to say that I feel like Ben Affleck is basically just George Clooney again and it bums me out to no end.

[DaveBrawl]

I hope not, I don't think my heart could take that again.

[Skippord]

My grassroots campaign to get Jack Huston from Boardwalk Empire more famous is not going well.

admittedly it's just me being like "hey this superhero should be played by Jack Huston, from Boardwalk Empire" to people who do not watch Boardwalk Empire

[DaveBrawl]

Well he is from the UK, so that should slot him in well with DC since Bale and Cavill both hail from there so start with that point and aim for Flash, Aquaman or Martian Manhunter.

I still want to see Mark Wahlberg as the Green Lantern though, good or not it'll be hilarious.

[Skippord]

that would be pretty hilarious

I'm gonna root for him to be The Flash because I do not like Aquaman and Martian Manhunter has such a deep voice

[DaveBrawl]

If you haven't seen The Prestige, you def should. Love that film.
There were 2 movies about magicians that came out within a couple weeks of each other. One was The Prestige and I forget what the other was. I saw one of them, but I'm not sure which one.

[DaveBrawl]

The Illusionist was the other. No idea which I saw though.

[DaveBrawl]

I'm gonna root for him to be The Flash
Well Flash is getting his own series, so that would be more Jack Huston for you.

[Lock Jaw]

I watched The Illusionist on TV thinking that I was watching The Prestige and was disappointed. I later actually did watch The Prestige and was blown away by it being a great movie.

[McLegend]

I'm assuming Batman would be in the Justice league movie. So then I assume Ben Affleck would also be starring in the Justice League movie.

As anyone ever starred and directed in a big time action movie before? I think that's a huge task to take on.

[Emperor Smeat]

Stallone?

Think he directed and stared in the last Rambo film and The Expendables series for recent stuff.

[McLegend]

Rambo was good.

I've never seen the Expendables so I don't know about them.

[Tazz Dan]

did people really get that upset? and it's different because Heath Ledger was a good actor. who wasn't in Pearl Harbor.

They did. Let me find a link to a blog I read and I'll get back to you.

[Tazz Dan]

http://m.au.ign.com/articles/2013/08/23/this-batmanben-affleck-backlash-sounds-familiar

[Tazz Dan]

Now given that is only a small example, but I remember reading so much similar shit at the time.

[Tom Guycott]

I also take the "wait and see" approach. Almost any argument I have to support this has already be weighed by others. People hate on the Ben Affleck decision because it's cool to hate on Ben Affleck.

I think he was decent as Daredevil in spite of it being a pretty shitty film in much the same way Halle Berry was on point in Monster's Ball (judgment not swayed by her repeated nudity)... she acted her ASS OFF in a very, very, VERY stupid movie, but she sucked ass in one of the biggest franchises ever in X-Men. In-universe, Brandon "who-the-hell-is-this-guy" Routh's Superman was pretty indistinguishable from the now iconic performance by Christopher Reeves, and that Kevin Spacy can even phone in a top-notch Lex Luthor... didn't stop Superman Returns itself from being sub-par.

Yeah, Ben's turned in some pretty hammy bullshit, but he's also done some grade A acting in his career as well.

Besides, sight unseen, he is ALREADY a better Bruce Wayne than Val Kilmer was. We'll see if he can hit anywhere near that that magical "Keaton balance" donning the cape and cowl. As long as he doesn't try and duplicate Bale's gravel gargling, I think he'll be okay.

[parkmania]

Reportedly, Bryan Cranston is signed to be Lex Luthor.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/24/bryan-cranston-confirmed-to-play-lex-luthor-in-batmanman-of-steel-3936111/

[Lock Jaw]

Dunno about the truth of that. Seems too perfect/typecast for them to do. Though maybe they are doing it in hopes that internet nerd people will forget about Affleck being cast and stop raging.

[Innovator]

I can't wait for blue kryptonite that is 99.1% pure.

[XCaliber]

Think Cranston is a little too old for the role it should be someone who's around the same ago range as the heroes so with that said I still believe it should be this guy he so looks the part.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdzMFjiqFVMnk9Rc0DBztarRZ_00fJknodh4ga8dlu7nFoXY_4

[The Destroyer]

Reportedly, Bryan Cranston is signed to be Lex Luthor.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/24/bryan-cranston-confirmed-to-play-lex-luthor-in-batmanman-of-steel-3936111/
Complete speculation that isn't even true, apparently.

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/movies/blogs/post--keep-your-hair-on-bryan-cranston-is-not-lex-luthor

[Sixx]

Complete speculation that isn't even true, apparently.

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/movies/blogs/post--keep-your-hair-on-bryan-cranston-is-not-lex-luthor

The fan-made trailer in this article is pretty neat I gotta say.

[slik]

Detroit will stand in (along with some CGI) for both Gotham City and Metropolis.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/08/warner-bros-man-of-steel-sequel-scores-35m-michigan-film-incentive/

[McLegend]

I feel as though Detroit would make for a good Gotham City..