Star Wars - SPOILERS INSIDE

[Kris P Lettus]

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Today we've got good news for anyone who's been slightly apprehensive about the progress of Star Wars: Episode VII.In the last few weeks we've been hearing more and more about the script-writing woes going on behind the scenes of J.J. Abrams' Star Wars sequel. Luckily, it now seems like a script has finally been cobbled together for Episode VII.Abrams told The Wrap that the new script, written by himself and Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi scribe Lawrence Kasdan, is complete and ready to begin filming.The early months of Star Wars: Episode VII certainly haven't been without a measure of controversy. Firstly, Toy Story 3 and Little Miss Sunshine writer Michael Arndt was kicked off the project when his approach for Episode VII failed to impress Abrams. It seemed the two creatives just couldn't come to an agreement about the direction of the next addition in the Star Wars saga. Reportedly, Arndt preferred a new chapter of the franchise which placed Han, Leia and Luke's kids at the forefront, while Abrams wanted the original trio to have one last hurrah on the big screen.However, even before Arndt left the movie, the team were already having trouble sticking to Disney's 2015 release deadline. Originally, Abrams and the writers petitioned Disney to push back the release of Star Wars: Episode VII to 2016. Although Disney ultimately refused, they did agree to postpone release until mid-December as opposed to the originally stated May 2015 release.So what does this all mean? Well, obviously Star Wars: Episode VII is too strong a beast to ever be in any kind of critical danger. It certainly will be delivered at some point. Having said that, the production does sound rather disorganized and volatile. While Disney's insistence for a 2015 release (despite the pleas of the actual director) doesn't exactly sound like a working environment conducive to movie-making gold.What do you think? Has the news of the Star Wars: Episode VII's pre-production got you concerned, or do you have faith in Abrams and co?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It was pretty dumb of Disney to say an unwritten movie would be done and in theaters by May 2015. Glad to see they are finished with the script and moving forward with filming soon. Really glad they are going to give the trio a big sendoff and then focus on the next generation. Really hope JJ can bring back a sense of realism to the movies. All that fake CGI really took me out of the movie experience. They need to use models and blow em up again.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Rammsteinmad]

Fucking nice! If that is in any way connected to or going to be used in the upcoming films, then that's got me excited.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's a just a fan short, but a badass one. There's tons of fan choreographed lightsaber duels on YT; some not as cool, and others should be in a movie. It helps that saber effects have gotten easier for techies.

[Kalyx triaD]

That new Rebels cartoon looks like it's gonna work out. I'm getting excited, and at least they allowed Clone Wars to finish.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I'd like one that doesn't look all cgi. Plus where is Detours? Come on.

[Kalyx triaD]

Detours is more than likely dead, dude.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Then fuck Disney up the ass with a double sided lightsaber. I will not watch Rebels until Detous is given a release date.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Adam Fucking Driver FTMFW.

[Fignuts]

lol

[parkmania]

Peter Mayhew, who played the Wookiee Chewbacca in Star Wars: Episodes III – VI, will reprise the role for Star Wars: Episode VII, according to Hollywood Reporter.

Rumors of the casting circulated recently when Mayhew cancelled a planned appearance at Texas’ Comicpalooza “due to filming.” The convention takes place May 23 – 26, and coincides with the recent announcement by Disney Studios chairman Alan Horn that Episode VII is already filming (see “'Star Wars VII' Shooting”). Mayhew has made a career of appearing as the iconic character in TV appearances and making convention appearances, though he also voiced Susha for Dragon Ball GT: A Hero’s Legacy.

Wookiees, according to the the Wookieepedia, The Star Wars Wiki, can live for several centuries. Chewbacca, played by Mayhew, had a brief appearance in Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith in the Battle of Kashyyyk, alongside Tarfful and Yoda, and helped Yoda escape the planet. Later he joined up with Han Solo as copilot and smuggler for Star Wars: Episodes IV – VI.

[Kalyx triaD]

So he's back with the Big Three, likely in passive roles.

When do we get to hear who starring in this new trilogy, me wonder.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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Cast meeting photo.

[The Destroyer]

So he's back with the Big Three, likely in passive roles.

When do we get to hear who starring in this new trilogy, me wonder.
That'd be today.

Can't get the page on Starwars.com to load, but the announcement was this:

The Star Wars team is thrilled to announce the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII.

Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.

[road doggy dogg]

lots of hoodies

[Fignuts]

Max Von Sydow and Andy Serkis are cool. No idea who the rest of them are.

[ClockShot]

Max Von Sydow and Andy Serkis are cool. No idea who the rest of them are.

Same thing I was thinking.

[mitch_h]

Uh-OH Adam Driver and Oscaar Isaac back together in OUTER...SPACE

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I like Domhnall Gleeson. No idea on most of them.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

That one with the long hair and wonky face better be playing an alien creature of some sort.

[The Destroyer]

I like Domhnall Gleeson. No idea on most of them.

I really hope you know Max von Sydow.

[Kalyx triaD]

Lots of little-knowns. That's very good.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Was there a rumor around that Force ghost Obi-Won might be in it or the sequels but played by McGreggor?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Lots of little-knowns. That's very good.

Yeah Ford was the only somewhat known of the main cast from the original movies except for James Earl Jones and Sir Alec Guiness.

Good formula that worked for the first movies. Most of the known cast were older people like Grand Moff Tarken.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

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[Nowhere Man]

Oooh, nice!

[Kalyx triaD]

Very hype. The Empire lives.

[Lock Jaw]

I wonder if their aim will get any better....

[Tom Guycott]

Let's hope not. Piss poor aiming is a hallmark of any Imperial Stormtrooper. Unless they're slaughtering Jawas in a big, slow moving vehicle, of course.

Besides, if they upped their standards, their numbers would dwindle.

[Lock Jaw]

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DEAL WITH IT

[XL]

There's a trailer doing the rounds on social media. Is it a fake?

[loopydate]

It is. It's spliced together from video game clips and fan films. It's very impressive and I'll admit to bring fooled up front, but it's been debunked.

They are releasing the new trailer online tomorrow, though, to combat people pirating it in-theater.

[JimmyMess]

nice!

[Clerk]

Haha, First he knows nothing about MMA now hes a nerd watching Star Wars. What a loser

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Haha, First he knows nothing about MMA now hes a nerd watching Star Wars. What a loser

Clerkclerk Binks

[JimmyMess]

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[Kris P Lettus]

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[Rammsteinmad]

Seems weird seeing the Millennium Falcon all CGI and fancy, after pretty much my entire life as knowing the practical/model version they used when filming the original trilogy. Such a weird observation.

[road doggy dogg]

looks fuckin sweet, so stoked

[JimmyMess]

The Falcon looks EPIC though.

[Simple Fan]

Haha, First he knows nothing about MMA now hes a nerd watching Star Wars. What a loser

Star Wars is cool he is not a loser.

[Jura]

It's just a teaser but still...I thought it would be much better. Maybe the full trailer will be what I expected.

[Lock Jaw]

Frankly, it is more than I expected. Pretty sweet. Hope it is good.

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Lock Jaw]

Lightsaber broad sword.... Yeahyeahyeah

[Kalyx triaD]

Saber effects have been adjusted a bit. I hope Nick G is back doing choreography.

[Fox]

I just don't know. I really want to like this. That first shot of the guy popping up in the Stormtrooper uniform made me think this was some sort of a parody - like I'd been tricked into watching a rick roll or something.

The rest was pretty good. Not sure how I feel about the lightsaber with the "guards." Doesn't really make much sense, really, but just done as a change for the sake of change and to look "cool." I always liked the sleek look of an ignited lightsaber.

Much to be seen.

[Emperor Smeat]

Trailer looked nice.

:lol: Stormtropper just randomly popping up on screen.

[Fignuts]

lol yeah the stormtrooper thing looked weird and awkward out of context, but I'm still super hyped

[Kris P Lettus]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

TUVOK!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I just lost my sith over this trailer! Whooooooooooooo!

[road doggy dogg]

every time I watch the trailer I mark out more and more. this is gonna be so awesome

[Raven Reaper]

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Imagine if there was a Special Edition of this new one! Better not give Lucas more ideas!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

lol

[Kalyx triaD]

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[XL]

Apparently people are talking a load of shit about how the black guy can't be a stormtrooper because he's black, and all the stormtroopers should be Jango Fett. Did they not establish that this wasn't the case by the timeline of the original trilogy. Did we never see a stormtrooper without his helmet in Episodes IV-VI (genuinely can't remember)?

Or, maybe he pulled the same trick as Luke did and "borrowed" the armour?

Either way, and whatever the reason, it's no excuse to be racially abusive to the actor via social media.

This planet annoys me sometimes. Maybe I could piss off to a galaxy far, far away...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Clone Troopers were phased out because they realized that Jango Fett's personalities were possible to turn them good because of his Mandolrian Battle honor stuff. Some of the Clone Trooper refused to carry out Order 66 because of loyalties to the Jedi. Troopers are now true believers of the Empire.

I figured the problem people had with the Black trooper is that he's the only the second black guy in the galaxy and he's a heel. Not for any other reasons. It makes sense because of the Empire's racism (well mostly racist to aliens) that black people are storm troopers.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[road doggy dogg]

Apparently people are talking a load of shit about how the black guy can't be a stormtrooper because he's black, and all the stormtroopers should be Jango Fett. Did they not establish that this wasn't the case by the timeline of the original trilogy. Did we never see a stormtrooper without his helmet in Episodes IV-VI (genuinely can't remember)?

Or, maybe he pulled the same trick as Luke did and "borrowed" the armour?

Either way, and whatever the reason, it's no excuse to be racially abusive to the actor via social media.

This planet annoys me sometimes. Maybe I could piss off to a galaxy far, far away...

It's super annoying too, people making comments about "omg trailer has a black guy AND a woman!? #SJW"

like................ don't even want to start this conversation again

[Kalyx triaD]

*sigh*

Yeah the Clones were phased out by the OG trilogy. I think the cloning facilities were shut down as well. Stupid quasi-racist who really should know better if they're Star Wars fans. And conversely people getting extra hype because of a black and female character. This fucking planet.

At least talk is dying down about the claymore lightsaber.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Colbert killed that controversy dead.

[Big Vic]

It's super annoying too, people making comments about "omg trailer has a black guy AND a woman!? #SJW"

like................ don't even want to start this conversation again
I am just concerned with ethics in star wars related journalism.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

#gungangate

Big bombad journalism!

[Lock Jaw]

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[Fignuts]

Just realized Brienne of Tarth is in this.

[Jura]

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[Kalyx triaD]

George Lucas said that he hasn't seen the teaser trailer and is "not really" curious to see what J.J. Abrams has done with Star Wars. "I plan to see it when it's released," he explained.

[drave]

Quiet shots fired

[Big Vic]

someone should show him the parody trailer

[Jura]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Happy Life Day!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaJhh0k4dkH0v5g_kxxLLApyffIHEn4bR

[KIRA]

Oh my god fuck the holiday special.

[Fignuts]

Just read an interview with Sam L Jackson. It's old, from like 2012, but in it he says he really wants to be in the new star wars movies. Either as a spirit or a one armed jedi who survived his death scene in Revenge.

I would love to see him return and have it revealed he survived. Just this grizzled old one arm veteran who is still a legit badass jedi after all this time. They'd probably have to use make up and stuff to make him look older, but whatever, they could do it.

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe his arm is a lightsaber now. Man, that would be so radical.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Just read an interview with Sam L Jackson. It's old, from like 2012, but in it he says he really wants to be in the new star wars movies. Either as a spirit or a one armed jedi who survived his death scene in Revenge.

I would love to see him return and have it revealed he survived. Just this grizzled old one arm veteran who is still a legit badass jedi after all this time. They'd probably have to use make up and stuff to make him look older, but whatever, they could do it.

He lost both of his arms.

[Fignuts]

No he didn't.

[Lock Jaw]

He actually only lost one HAND.

[Fignuts]

And lets be honest, losing any limb in star wars is just a minor inconvenience. Happens to everybody.

[road doggy dogg]

Only acceptable if he sports the lisp he did in Kingsman.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Well he probably could have survived then. I thought he lost both hands so he couldn't use the force powers.

[Lock Jaw]

You don't need your hands to use the force.

I think Count Dooku lost both his hands. You probably have it confused with all the other hand losing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Dooku. That's right. Probably should have saved the two-handed for the final loss of arms. Damn you Lucas.

Most of the filmed force powers come from the hand area. I know there's Battle Meditation and such.

[Fignuts]

They don't actually need hands to use the force. The whole hand extended pose is more for the audiences sake, so they know the person is using the force.

Like when Jean Grey extends her arms in x-men when she uses her telekinesis.

That whole pose is just one of those sci-fi tropes. It doesn't really mean anything.

[McLegend]

Does anyone think Mace Windu was a huge dick who kind of played a big part in the fall of the Jedi? Especially since he was always a dick to Anakin?

Either way would love to see him back.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They all were huge dicks to Anakin.

[Lock Jaw]

Recently watched the prequel trilogy. Pretty much hadn't seen Episode II since it came out in theaters. It was much worse than I remember. Was literally cringing at the Padme/Anakin scenes, of which there were many.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's worth it for that dress she wears in the fireplace scene. She was the biggest tease in the history of the universe.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

If you don't want to perforate your eardrums, and gouge out your eyes with a spoon, during the Padme/Anakin scenes, your tolerance for cringe-worthy cinema has to be legendary.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

The only saving grace of the prequel trilogy is Natalie Portman's midriff; 'tis a thing of beauty.

[Lock Jaw]

Currently been watching through The Clone Wars on Netflix.... only a handful of episodes in to the show but it seems alright. Only thing is that Anakin seems "out of line" with his characterization in the movies. In the movies (and the first Clone Wars series which I also watched) there was always this underlying anger/frustration/impatience/whinyness to him. In this show he seems "playful" and "cheerful" too much.

[McLegend]

The Anakin in Clone Wars is a far more superior characterization than in the movies. If he was more like he was in the Clone Wars the movies would have been better. He's really like able in the Clone Wars.

You're in for a good series, Lock Jaw.

[Kalyx triaD]

The Clone Wars cartoon more than adequately explains why Anikan did what he did in Eps.III than the prequel trilogy did. It's much more tragic in the expanded context.

[road doggy dogg]

I forget; a few months back when they claimed that everything in the "expanded universe" isn't canon, was Clone Wars included in that? Or is that considered part of the actual story

[McLegend]

The Clone Wars counts as far I know. Everything after Return of the Jedi does not.

I would love to see a clone wars season dedicated to Revenge of The Sith. I know that's never going to happen though.

[Fignuts]

Clone Wars, Rebels, and all the Novels and Comics after the Disney buyout are all canon.

I mean, if you want other people to decide for you what's canon. Personally, what ever I want to be canon IS canon. If the new movies come out, and I don't care for them, then they didn't happen, and the Thrawn stuff and New Jedi Order is what happens next. Simple as that.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah Clone Wars survived the great Disney purge.

[KIRA]

The Clone Wars cartoon more than adequately explains why Anikan did what he did in Eps.III than the prequel trilogy did. It's much more tragic in the expanded context.

It makes what he did understandable to a point(killing kids is too far) You can see his constant frustration with the Jedi Order And what happened to Ahsoka was bullshit not only did they never apologize they sat there and claimed suddenly it was a test I was like "fuck you guys" I'm surprised that wasn't Anakin's tipping point though it takes a huge chunk out of his belief in the order.

[Kalyx triaD]

One of the interesting things about the Jedi Order was how flawed and dogmatic they can be. And it was only when they attempted to conscript a boy who was old enough to have experienced and value attachments that things kinda went to shit. Also the outright negligence of not even paying for his mother's freedom at the very least as a thank you/reward for his services. I agree that doesn't excuse slaying kids, but it makes Palpatine's temptations legit.

[KIRA]

The whole no attachments thing always came across as odd and a little messed up to me I wonder were we supposed to see it that way.
I'm guessing under Luke they get less rigid and more balanced (well now that I think about it yea since Luke is the balance his father was supposed to bring)

[Fignuts]

Never cared for the part where Anakin kills the kids. I get they were trying to show how far he'd fallen, but in the process they ruined his whole redemption story in jedi. Doesn't matter if he killed the emperor, there's no redemption for slaughtering kids in cold blood, darkside influence or not.

[McLegend]

Killing the kids is what drives the wedge between Padme and Anakin.

It's a necessary plot device.

[Fignuts]

What? How is it necessary?

Pretty sure participating in the murder of the jedi and destroying the republic so that an evil empire can rule the galaxy drove more than enough of a wedge between them.

[KIRA]

Lets not forget choking his pregnant wife to death

Also again for a guy who preached to Anakin about not having emotional bonds Obi Wan was pretty emotionally distraught over having to kill Anakin and what he had become.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

She didn't die from the choke. She died from a broken heart.

[McLegend]

What? How is it necessary?

Pretty sure participating in the murder of the jedi and destroying the republic so that an evil empire can rule the galaxy drove more than enough of a wedge between them.

I honestly don't think it does. Padme was ok with Anakin mass murdering the Tuskian Raiders. In fact she kind liked him more after he weirdly and psychoticly reveled that to her. She somehow still married him after that. So you do need a pretty extreme reason for her to turn away from Anakin.

Also she didn't think the Jedi were 100% guilty of trying to overthrow the Republic, but she did believe Anakin a little. So the possiblity to be with Anakin still existed at the point. So if Obi-Wan only mentions Anakin killed regular jedi it's not enough to sway her from Anakin because she thinks the Jedi might be guilty even if it is a small possibility that they might be guilty, and then shenever goes to Mustafar. So Obi-Wan had to mention that kids, and Anakin because Padme is finally like WTF I need to find this out for myself and goes to Mustfar to confront Anakin.

So in short you needed the younglings killed to put the nail in the coffin for Padme/Anakin.

Also from a dramatic standpoint Anakin killing the Younglings is one of the best moments in the entire prequels. I think it should stay in for that reason alone.

[KIRA]

She didn't die from the choke. She died from a broken heart.

I knew somebody was gonna say that I know the movie says that,that's just more proof that Lucas is a shitty writer so BULLSHIT she died cause he choked her

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's an opera. Stupid and over-emotional is part of the trope.

[Blonde Moment]

I knew somebody was gonna say that I know the movie says that,that's just more proof that Lucas is a shitty writer so BULLSHIT she died cause he choked her

People die of broken hearts all the time so her reaction to his betrayal is not all that unusual IMO

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

There's a floating theory that the Emperor used his powers to make sure she didn't recover.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ehh.... Nah.

[KIRA]

I honestly don't think it does. Padme was ok with Anakin mass murdering the Tuskian Raiders. In fact she kind liked him more after he weirdly and psychoticly reveled that to her. She somehow still married him after that. So you do need a pretty extreme reason for her to turn away from Anakin.

Also she didn't think the Jedi were 100% guilty of trying to overthrow the Republic, but she did believe Anakin a little. So the possiblity to be with Anakin still existed at the point. So if Obi-Wan only mentions Anakin killed regular jedi it's not enough to sway her from Anakin because she thinks the Jedi might be guilty even if it is a small possibility that they might be guilty, and then shenever goes to Mustafar. So Obi-Wan had to mention that kids, and Anakin because Padme is finally like WTF I need to find this out for myself and goes to Mustfar to confront Anakin.


So in short you needed the younglings killed to put the nail in the coffin for Padme/Anakin.

Also from a dramatic standpoint Anakin killing the Younglings is one of the best moments in the entire prequels. I think it should stay in for that reason alone.



Re watching after that last comment and its kinda messed up how wiling she was to except the fact that he killed children(that or shes in complete denial )and is willing to run away with him despite him being a murdering psycho who had the Emperor's plan failed would've faced a number of charges at this point.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Never cared for the part where Anakin kills the kids. I get they were trying to show how far he'd fallen, but in the process they ruined his whole redemption story in jedi. Doesn't matter if he killed the emperor, there's no redemption for slaughtering kids in cold blood, darkside influence or not.

Darth Vader kills the kids Anakin is gone at that point.

[VSG]

Ok

[Kalyx triaD]

lol Right.

[JimmyMess]

I just want to see episode 7. I'm real excited for it. I need a new trailer. I NEEEDS IT

[Fignuts]

Darth Vader kills the kids Anakin is gone at that point.

It doesn't work that way. Characters that turn may be influenced by the dark side, but ultimately they choose to turn, and they choose to commit whatever atrocities they commit when they are a sith.

They aren't possessed by a demon or anything like that. Who they are is still intact enough where they shouldn't be absolved of their crimes just because the darkside influenced their actions.

[Kalyx triaD]

We wouldn't let the Emperor off because he was a nice boy once upon a time. Or Dooku or Maul or Revan.

[Fignuts]

Revan actually was a little different. He didn't turn but was instead turned by the Sith Emperor. Don't recall exactly, so don't quote me, but I think the Sith Emperor didn't manipulate anyone into turning like palpatine did. He was so powerful that he could literally just brainwash him with the dark side.

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh yeah that guy was the real deal. He needed to be slayed.

[Kalyx triaD]

It does raise the question though...

Can the Dark Side ever really be defeated? Isn't it simply forever tied to the Force, and such so long as there's Jedi we're going to have Sith?

For you EU guys; do you think the ultimate answer to this is people choosing to be Dark Jedi?

[Fignuts]

There's been a long standing theme in the EU that the darkside will never go away, because light and dark are two sides of the same coin. Light can't exist without darkness, vice versa, yada yada yada.

[Fignuts]

OR I GUESS IN THIS CASE, YODA YODA YODA

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

[KIRA]

Wait so when one turns to the darkside beyond being influenced to turn there is no external force working on the psyche? I ask because they make it seem like the darkside consumes who you are and in (Anakins case) makes you more irrational and virtually unreachable.

[KIRA]

It does raise the question though...

Can the Dark Side ever really be defeated? Isn't it simply forever tied to the Force, and such so long as there's Jedi we're going to have Sith?

For you EU guys; do you think the ultimate answer to this is people choosing to be Dark Jedi?


Personally I'd choose the gray Jedi the do seem like a viable middle ground and since the shows movies and everything else portray leaning completely to either side as having negative effects. yea gray jedi

I dunno why I was thinking dark

[Fignuts]

Like I said, it influences them, but not so much that it overpowers their will completely. They still have to make the choice to fight it or give in.

[McLegend]

In the past month I've really got into Star Wars. I've to come to realization that I have love Obi-Wan Kenob, and he's not just my favorites Star Wars character, but one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. I'm going to have a stupid complaint about something involving Obi-Wan. The only reason this complaint even exists is because George Lucas didn't actually think Star Wars would become as big as it did. Like I said it's a really dumb complaint, but I have to talk about it.

I love Obi-Wan for the scarsam, clever wit, humor, and he's just generally awesome, and that is all there in episode 4.

So we see Obi-Wan in Episode 4 he's in an old man, and psyically weak. I get that Obi-Wan in episode 4 isn't about the physically power, but represents spiritual power, and wisdom. I get it. However Obi-Wan should have been as powerful or even more powerful then Count Dooku was in episode 2. Obi-Wan in episode 4 wasn't even as old as Dooku was in episode 2.

I'm such an Obi-Wan mark that I would accept any reason as to why he wasn't that powerful. Except for The official reason which he just didn't train with a Lightsaber for 19 years. WTF is that? Obi-Wan Kenobi is defintely going to train with a Lightsaber within a 19 year span. I just want a better reason then that. I would accept that he took a vow to not train with a light saber or any other rigorous training until he started training Luke. I would be ok with that. That to me is a good enough reason. I don't need much in the reason department I just something better then what I have.

Is there a story about those lost 19 years? I know there is stuff about is training with Qui-Gon. I know there is some story where he goes undercover. Is there any EU stuff that gives me a better reason for the way he is in episode 4? I for the most part just read characters wikpedia or wookiepedia which is what Star Wars wikpedia is called.

Again just by reading Star Wars things wookiepedia and watching video games on youtube it seems like Darth Vader gets his ass kicked a lot in the EU? Am I wrong to think that? I kind of feel like Darth Vader gets the shaft in the EU. He seems like he really isn't that powerful and it hurts what Luke accomplished in Return of The Jedi... Makes it seem like defeating Vader isn't that big of a deal.

[Fignuts]

If Anakin was simply turned by the darkside, obi-wan wouldn't of been so emotionally destroyed by it. It was because anakin chose the darkside that he was so heartbroken.

[McLegend]

For the record the conversation was dead when I started writing my post. You all make me look like fools interrupting your conversation now, damn it.

[Fignuts]

In the past month I've really got into Star Wars. I've to come to realization that I have love Obi-Wan Kenob, and he's not just my favorites Star Wars character, but one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. I'm going to have a stupid complaint about something involving Obi-Wan. The only reason this complaint even exists is because George Lucas didn't actually think Star Wars would become as big as it did. Like I said it's a really dumb complaint, but I have to talk about it.

I love Obi-Wan for the scarsam, clever wit, humor, and he's just generally awesome, and that is all there in episode 4.

So we see Obi-Wan in Episode 4 he's in an old man, and psyically weak. I get that Obi-Wan in episode 4 isn't about the physically power, but represents spiritual power, and wisdom. I get it. However Obi-Wan should have been as powerful or even more powerful then Count Dooku was in episode 2. Obi-Wan in episode 4 wasn't even as old as Dooku was in episode 2.

I'm such an Obi-Wan mark that I would accept any reason as to why he wasn't that powerful. Except for The official reason which he just didn't train with a Lightsaber for 19 years. WTF is that? Obi-Wan Kenobi is defintely going to train with a Lightsaber within a 19 year span. I just want a better reason then that. I would accept that he took a vow to not train with a light saber or any other rigorous training until he started training Luke. I would be ok with that. That to me is a good enough reason. I don't need much in the reason department I just something better then what I have.

Is there a story about those lost 19 years? I know there is stuff about is training with Qui-Gon. I know there is some story where he goes undercover. Is there any EU stuff that gives me a better reason for the way he is in episode 4? I for the most part just read characters wikpedia or wookiepedia which is what Star Wars wikpedia is called.

Again just by reading Star Wars thing wookiepedia and watching video games on youtube it seems like Darth Vader gets his ass kicked a lot in the EU? Am I wrong to think that? I kind of feel like Darth Vader gets the shaft in the EU. He seems like he really isn't that powerful and it hurts what Luke accomplished in Return of The Jedi... Makes it seem like defeating Vader isn't that big of a deal.

I also hate that Vader gets beaten up quite a bit in EU. As for Obi Wan and the 19 years thing I have no idea. Maybe he just didn't want to risk being seen using a lightsaber so he didn't take any chances?

There was actually a book called Kenobi released in 2013, and it details Obi Wan's life from episode 3 to 4, so I would check that out. Might find your answers there.

[McLegend]

I might even accept that reason. I would even accept that he completely held back in his fight with Vader, and he was actually way better then he was. I don't need much. I might check this Obi-Wan story out.

It bothers me how it's stated how Darth Vader is 40% of what he was or whatever the number is. It should be stated he is pretty badass and should be able to beat 98% of Jedi or whatever else there is that ever existed. The prequels and the EU kind of went out their way to lessen Vader's Impact. Growing up Darth Vader's the ultimate bad guy, but now it's like nah he's just a misunderstood dude with issues. I hate that.

[Lock Jaw]

Been reading the post-Return of the Jedi EU books recently now that they don't matter. Currently on the second book of the "Jedi Academy" trilogy.

[Fignuts]

Really reccomend the Darth Bane trilogy. Establishes how the sith rule of two came to be.

[Lock Jaw]

Apparently 20 books have been announced to be coming that will be "canon" and set between Return of the Jedi and Episode VII. I better hurry up on this old books that don't matter anymore.

[road doggy dogg]

Might as well just Fahrenheit 451 they asses...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Wasn't the Thrawn Trilogy advertised as being the official continuation of the Star Wars saga when it was released?

[Kalyx triaD]

Like a 100yrs ago, sure.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[Kalyx triaD]

Oh.

[Lock Jaw]

There was also a series of comic books subtitled "Dark Empire" from Dark Horse that was written around the same time, and it is "very weird" because it feels like it is a radically "different take" on what happened after RotJ, but they "altered the script" to fit in the Thrawn stuff into its "continuity"..... but it doesn't work because it is just "so different a take"....

And now the next novels after the Thrawn ones are referencing both Thrawn and Dark Empire and trying to "reconcile" them into the same continuity and it is just weird and awkward trying to take these two "different takes on what happened after RotJ" and make them both "in continuity"....

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Dark Empire is after the Thrawn Trilogy (not that long after though)

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

9 ABY (Thrawn)
10–11 ABY (Dark Empire)

[Lock Jaw]

I know that is how it is "supposed to be"... but they were written pretty much the same time and seem like "two different continuations".

[Lock Jaw]

They wanted Zahn to work in references to it in the Thrawn books, but he refused, so they worked in references to Thrawn in the comic book instead.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Dark Empire is a bit silly with the clones.

[Fignuts]

Dark Empire is fucking awful. Luke is like 8 feet tall.

Only good thing about it is that it brought Boba Fett back. But they even fucked that up by including that fat jobber Dengar.

Cover art is good I guess.

[Lock Jaw]

First Star Wars "spin-off" film revealed to be called "Rogue One"

[Kalyx triaD]

Dash Rendar?

[Fignuts]

Nah, probably a movie about Rogue Squadron.

[Lock Jaw]

Marvel announced another comic book series today, this one taking place after RotJ.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nah, probably a movie about Rogue Squadron.

Hopefully Wedge.

[alvarado52]

Ya'll muthafucka jus dont KNOW!

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I just hope the entire plot isn't ruined before I see it in the theater. Almost want to not click on anything Star Wars related.

[Kalyx triaD]

YAS

[alvarado52]

I think, all things considered, theyve done a pretty solid job of keeping details under wraps. I mean, eventually we'll get a synopsis like any film does...but overall, theyve managed to do well considering the amount of hype

[Kalyx triaD]

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/2015/04/16/kylo2jpg-a24bc4_624w.jpg

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Also can they fuck off with the non-stop advertising for the Star Wars digital edition? For the first time on digital HD! I've already got the bluray editions and DVD editions because they actually have the original version on them. Enough.

[road doggy dogg]

love that trailer

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What did he mean by his father HAS it? We going to see Anakin in ghost form or something?

[Kalyx triaD]

He means his father has it, I guess. There's this weird ghost thing with Jedi.

[Rammsteinmad]

Remember all those people that were outraged at the idea of a black stormtrooper... :lol:

[road doggy dogg]

Those same people still are. There will always be idiots in this world, sadly.

[alvarado52]

Same people that got pissed when Donald Glover auditioned for Spidey.

[JimmyMess]

When I saw Han and Chewy I actually teared up. lol jesus.

[Lock Jaw]

Han Solo looking good for his age

[mitch_h]

Great trailer.

Meesa excited

[Fignuts]

awwwwwww shit son, fucking cylon stormtrooper

Also, Han saying "we're home". Does that mean we see Corellia?

[Emperor Smeat]

Trailer was good. All that was missing was a completely random stormtropper pop up moment.

Haven't been to the theaters the past couple of years but definitely want to go for this one.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

awwwwwww shit son, fucking cylon stormtrooper

Also, Han saying "we're home". Does that mean we see Corellia?

Nah probably means the Falcon.

[Disturbed316]

I've never watched the Star Wars films, but that trailer is pretty sweet. Makes me want to go watch them.

[road doggy dogg]

Ummmmmmm yeah you probably should go ahead and do that

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

But probably not bother with the prequels, as they are dire.

[Kalyx triaD]

Watch the prequels. No half steppin.

[Requiem]

And don't watch the Lucas edited versions of the originals. Watch the theatrical releases or a version that has been purposely remastered without all his shit that he added/changed later.

[Lock Jaw]

Are there remastered versions out there without the additions/changes?

Recently watched the "theatrical" versions, and it was actually different than even the VHS editions I had back in the day as a kid...

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/22/227825/2714892-2185776075-ebay9.jpg

Had these ones.... all I want to do is find these versions on a DVD/Blu-Ray/Digitally somewhere....

[McLegend]

Yeah I didn't think unchanged or unedited version existed anymore?

[McLegend]

Also I love the burned Darth Vader mask. George Lucas isn't thinking of that.

[Kalyx triaD]

They actually released a DVD that restored the original movies without the added effects. Came out ten years ago, I think.

[McLegend]

O awesome. There hasn't been any since then?

[Kalyx triaD]

Nope. Everything else were the touched versions.

[Requiem]

Google the Star Wars Despecialized Edition

I've got them on my computer. HELLA good quality copies of them remastered by fans with all the edited shit taken out. You can find 'smaller' versions of the files on torrent sites. Still really good quality.

[Kalyx triaD]

Look for this set. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Original_unaltered_trilogy

[KIRA]

Are there remastered versions out there without the additions/changes?

Recently watched the "theatrical" versions, and it was actually different than even the VHS editions I had back in the day as a kid...

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/22/227825/2714892-2185776075-ebay9.jpg

Had these ones.... all I want to do is find these versions on a DVD/Blu-Ray/Digitally somewhere....

I own those got them from my sister.

[Jura]

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[Kalyx triaD]

The Star Wars Rogue One movie is essentially the rebels origin story. Takes place between Eps.3 and Eps.4 (same as the Rebels cartoon, curiously confirmed by the director). The basic plot is rebellious forces coming together to steal the plans for the original Death Star.

No Jedi, no magic. It's going for realism with crew from movies like Black Hawk Down helping. A short teaser revealed that the spin-off movies will have the tag title 'Anthology Films'.

[Sixx]

That lightclaymore is so fucking impractical, though I admit it looks cool.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Star Wars Rogue One movie is essentially the rebels origin story. Takes place between Eps.3 and Eps.4 (same as the Rebels cartoon, curiously confirmed by the director). The basic plot is rebellious forces coming together to steal the plans for the original Death Star.

No Jedi, no magic. It's going for realism with crew from movies like Black Hawk Down helping. A short teaser revealed that the spin-off movies will have the tag title 'Anthology Films'.

Wonder if this means we'll be getting a Kyle Katarn siting.

[Kalyx triaD]

Know who deserves screentime? Mara Jade.

[Lock Jaw]

Would be "cool" if they did introduce versions of some "Expanded Universe" characters.... like if Grand Admiral Thrawn was the bad guy in this so called "realistic army movie" that Rogue One is saying it will be.

[Fignuts]

I would almost rather they didn't.

Would just feel kind of cheesy to me to have a "version" of the character. Can't really explain it right now but it just wouldn't feel "right" to me. They want to tell their own story, let it be with their own new characters.

[McLegend]

I think that Rogue Squadron movie is a fantastic idea. Disney or whoever is going to kill it with Star Wars. I'm so excited.

[drave]

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[drave]

Swagtrooper gettin his swag on, bruh.


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[Kalyx triaD]

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/05/star-wars-the-force-awakens-vanity-fair-cover.jpg

[road doggy dogg]

May the Fourth be with you

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Fuck you

[road doggy dogg]

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[Lock Jaw]

Happy Cinco de Cuatro

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Fuck you

A Revenge of the Fifth guy.

[Kalyx triaD]

Captain Phasma, portrayed by Gwendoline Christie. Not a new class of 'chrome' storm trooper, but a sort of 'hero' character in the RTS sense of the word. Curiouser and curiouser.

http://www.starwars-universe.com/images/actualites/disneylogie/vanityfair/phasma_big.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Feel like having a reflective material as your armour is not good for a battlefield.

[Kalyx triaD]

Probably a status thing than a tactical thing. Then again the troopers were usually white, and only a few times actually painted on camo. And they can't shoot worth a damn anyway.

[Rammsteinmad]

Remember when this movie was first announced and approximately 86% of the world was like "OMG this movie's gonna suck".

Just love bringing up stuff like that.

[Kalyx triaD]

lol No. It was near unanimous hype.

[road doggy dogg]

yeahhhh I don't remember anyone saying it would suck

[Fignuts]

yeah, the fuck are you talking about?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No, the only thing brought up was that Phantom Menace was so over-hyped that it couldn't deliver on.

Nobody thought this was going to suck.

[drave]

I think people were somewhat skeptical of Disney taking the reigns, but did not hear overwhelming suck-hype.

RammsteinMad, please find something to make you Rammsteinglad :)

[Lock Jaw]

Star Wars Dirt Sheets:

- Andy Serkis' motion-capture character in The Force Awakens is named "Supreme Leader Snoke"

- Next rumoured spin-off film may see a story/backstory with Han Solo and Boba Fett

- Also rumoured is Ewan McGregor reprising his role as Obi-Wan in a possible spin-off, perhaps even his own trilogy. Set after Revenge of the Sith and featuring his adventures on Tattoine and maybe Darth Maul.

- The latest issue of the canon Star Wars comic book
Introduced:
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[Kalyx triaD]

That's so dumb.

[McLegend]

That Obi-Wan rumor has been around for over a year now. I really hope that's true, because an Obi-Wan triology would be incredible.


I don't think it's going to happen though.

[Kalyx triaD]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1382368651241411430.jpg

[Sixx]

Looks pretty badass until you realize it's Adam Driver under that mask.

[Kalyx triaD]

It stops looking badass because of something not seen in the pic?

[Sixx]

Yes.

[The Destroyer]

He doesn't really look like the scary Sith Lord type, so hopefully the mask stays on.

[Kalyx triaD]

So I'm looking at the pic now and it's like... somebody thinks this isn't badass because of things not in the pic. You guys are so odd.

[road doggy dogg]

Thankfully I have no idea who that is so I find the pic to be A+ bad-ass

[Sixx]

Mighty Sith Lord

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/adamdrivercover.jpg

[road doggy dogg]

looks like that Neville guy on Raw

[Fignuts]

He looks like a 1930's cartoon.

Also, I don't think he's a Sith Lord. Thought I read somewhere he's like a Sith Archeologist or something. Like a Sith worshipper.

[Sixx]

He looks like a 1930's cartoon.

Also, I don't think he's a Sith Lord. Thought I read somewhere he's like a Sith Archeologist or something. Like a Sith worshipper.

I read it's something called Knights of Ren, whatever it ends up being.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I could never get into Darth Vader either because

http://www.starwars7news.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/david-prowse-darth-vader1-300x1591.jpeg

Come on dude... that was under the mask the whole time.... just ruined everything....

[Sixx]

Your sarcasm is cute but that was before the internet. And he kept the mask on. Noone knew what he looked like underneath.

Driver will have scenes without the mask and he looks like a total dork.

http://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news.tops/NEAeZ6Zs66OgDH_1_b.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

Mighty Sith Lord

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/adamdrivercover.jpg

Sort of looks like a mix between Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Zack Braff.

[Fignuts]

Well maybe he'll be a sneaky coniving heel. His dumb face would work just fine for that. Silver Stormtrooper will probably be the"badass" of the movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

Just say you don't like his ears.

[Sixx]

I don't like his ears.

But also nose.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Have you seen Inside Llewyn Davis? He's the best in that.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Someone plz embed. Mobile post.

http://youtu.be/9Aq4a7g_wdU

[road doggy dogg]

I keep forgetting that people on the internet have stupid opinions that make me not want to read things

[Kalyx triaD]

Someone plz embed. Mobile post.

http://youtu.be/9Aq4a7g_wdU

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[Reavant]

His face is lopsided...

[DAMN iNATOR]

I keep picturing that guy doing the Triple H entrance walk c. his 2008 SD! run and the whole "rotating schnozz cam" when he'd stop at the end of the ramp for some reason...

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Fignuts]

The more I see, the more I start to think Luke dies in like the first 10 minutes.

[JimmyMess]

Is there any chance at all that Luke is actually under the black mask and not Kylo Ren

[road doggy dogg]

I'm super stoked they got PK Subban to star (ha) in the new movie

[Kalyx triaD]

Is there any chance at all that Luke is actually under the black mask and not Kylo Ren

We seen Kylo in the suit without the mask and it isn't Luke.

People have speculated about him since we've yet to see Luke doing anything heroic or say anything especially Jedi-like.

[Sixx]

I've read somewhere Luke chose the Dark Side after all. Was only rumours, though.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's been explored in the pre-purge extended universe a bunch. I just think the lack of Luke in preview media is curious indeed.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm hoping he doesn't die.... maybe gone missing or captured or something.... Episode VIII "Finding Skywalker"......

[Emperor Smeat]

What if he's just relaxing at home the whole time eating a sandwich or doing other mundane stuff. Everybody else goes about trying to save or control the galaxy while he just wanted a vacation from all the Force drama for once in his life.

[Kalyx triaD]

He had 30yrs for that mess.

[screech]

He's probably enjoyed it so much he wants to keep at it.

[poopfromweiner dude]

star wars featuring john boyega like you've never seen him before

[Wishbone]

So I wasn't really feeling the hype for all this new Star Wars stuff, but honestly the new trailer that just released did at the very least make me want to see the movie. Still not super hyped though, and not planning to see it opening day (not that I could anyway). Am I a bad person to not be squealing like a schoolgirl over this?