Dark Side of The Ring Discussion Thread (Warning: Spoilers)

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh wow, Gino Brito.

I love these random names that appear on these shows

[slik]

Dino is the HH of Montreal

"I'm not doing the job tonight frère"

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Jacques Rougeau is just the greatest. An unabashed bullshitter.

[rez]

just watched part II of Benoit...emotional

[slik]

Why is a six year old getting home from ballet lessons at 12:30 AM

[slik]

Rick Martel definitely knows more but can't say for his own safety.

[Bad News Gertner]

Ah my fucking Vice conked out so I gotta watch it tomorrow.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

ugh, speaking that ugly Montreal French.

[Seanny One Ball]

The YouTube cut of this is fucking impossible to watch.

Constant blank spots.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

not an uninteresting story, but really, who fucking cares about Dino Bravo?

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah I really didn't enjoy it too much

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I care about Dino Bravo

Gonna watch it tonight. For whatever reason Vice kept skipping for me last night so I only saw the first 10 minutes. I'll be able to stream it tonight.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think Vice must have been skipping for a lot of people because the only two uploads I could find on YouTube were both fucked. Those loading dots kept appearing every few minutes.

[#1-norm-fan]

Not a huge Conrad Thomson fan, but he does an interview on Jr's feed with one of the guys from DSOTR regarding the Snuka episode and he brings up some really interesting behind the scenes stuff about Tonga Kid

Wait. What’s your problem with Conrad Thompson?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The first half of the episode is pretty skippable. The second half was better when they actually talked about the murder, but nowhere close to as good as the other murder episodes they’ve done.

[Bad News Gertner]

Wait. What’s your problem with Conrad Thompson?

His shows all following the same format "Conrad reads from the Observer , so and so reacts". His ad reads are atrocious and you can tell when Conrad isn't interested in a topic because he acts like a baby.

[Bad News Gertner]

Grilling JR is the only listenable show he does. Haven't listened to the Arn show yet, but it looks like the same format like every other show he does.

[Big Vic]

I miss hb2ks podcast

[Fenix122]

Just started watching these last night. Currently on the Vino Hernandez episode and really looking forward to the others. The Bruiser Brody episode is prob my favorite so far.

[Bad News Gertner]

I miss hb2ks podcast

Lol I couldn't understand half of them.

Speak english not english!

[Bad News Gertner]

Dr. D David Schultz next week. Not too sure how they are going to get an hour out of the Stossel incident.

It's Dr.D so prepare for a nice dose of bullshit mixed with entertainment

[Bad News Gertner]

Then it's Herb Abrams and the UWF. I have so many awesome stories about Herb and they are all amazing. Can't wait for this episode.

[Fenix122]

On the New Jack episode now and holy shit it is wild

[Bad News Gertner]

Just finished the Dino Bravo episode. Pretty good episode. His daughter is hott.

[rez]

Are the episodes honestly worth watching outside of Benoit?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The New Jack episode was good, as was the Snuka one.

[Seanny One Ball]

Are the episodes honestly worth watching outside of Benoit?

If you liked Benoit watch Brody, Von Erichs, New Jack and Snuka for sure. I thought they were all better than Benoit to be honest, they tell you more that you may not know about.

[Droford]

Dino Bravo ep had too much French. I took 4 years of French and it made me realize how much time I wasted

[Seanny One Ball]

Learning French in the hopes of understanding a French Canadian is a bit like trying to play Blackjack at a Texas Hold Em table.

[Emperor Smeat]

Besides Season 3 likely being a lock, seems VICE is also considering a potential spin-off series for non-wrestling topics based on the positive reception Dark Side of the Ring series has been generating for the network.

Morgan Hertzan, EVP & General Manager of VICE TV told Deadline that the network is hoping to do more Dark Side of the Ring episodes and do more ‘Dark Side’ series in forms other than pro wrestling.

“We are eagerly looking forward to explore more ways to do more episodes of Dark Side of the Ring and Dark Side of other strands. We also are looking at all of our audience data and what people love about that show, and are using it to inform other shows that we’re green-lighting. The audience is telling us they love this kind of storytelling so we want to keep delivering on that over and over again.”

[Fenix122]

After binging all the episodes I hate that have to wait until the 28th for the next one.

[Jordan]

David Schultz to me is like what the Stone Cold character was but for real for real. He is awesome and it's a shame his career dwindled. Looking forward to this one.

[Bad News Gertner]

He pretty much got blackballed after the Stossel incident. I think he showed up in Stampede and Memphis for a brief spell but that's it.

[Bad News Gertner]

He later became a bounty hunter

[Jordan]

Really looking forward to Herb Abrams story. I can't really imagine why it's on "The Darkside" of the Ring... is there some scandal involved? I know a bit about the promotion taping in Vegas and doing a couple of "PPV's". Not my favorite super fed attempt but interesting none the less. My favorite attempt at a super fed is the little known about Jerry Jarret was involved in the the 90's I believe.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol I'm bursting at the seams wanting to answer that question. I just don't want to spoil the episode, but yes there's tons of crazy Herb Abrams stories.

[Seanny One Ball]

Just look at the episode title ffs

[Seanny One Ball]

I have had one image of Herb Abrahams in my mind since I heard about him and it's speedos in a silk dressing gown with cocaine all through his chest hair.

Think Burt Reynolds in "Striptease"

[WinterDecay]

Grilling JR is the only listenable show he does. Haven't listened to the Arn show yet, but it looks like the same format like every other show he does.

I listen to JR and Arn .... Stopped listening to Prichard's after it became the "kiss HHH ass in radio format" show. Oddly that started right around the time Prichard was rehired.

Watching the Snuka episode now and the former sheriff just said "the fact that some tells different stories is not enough evidence to charge someone with a crime." :eek: Right buddy ... nothing odd about that statement.

[xrodmuc316]

His shows all following the same format "Conrad reads from the Observer , so and so reacts". His ad reads are atrocious and you can tell when Conrad isn't interested in a topic because he acts like a baby.

I'm with you, not a fan. Nothing really against him personally but I just don't see the need for a "setup man" on podcasts, or as he calls it, a "host".

"Hey Bruce what about this, hey Eric tell me how you did that, hey JR what do you think of so and so."

I don't see the value, he just takes up time from the people I actually want to hear talk.

[Seanny One Ball]

Watching the Snuka episode now and the former sheriff just said "the fact that some tells different stories is not enough evidence to charge someone with a crime." :eek: Right buddy ... nothing odd about that statement.


The former Sheriff was hilariously sketchy.
I mean it was perfect.

[erickman]

The former Sheriff was hilariously sketchy.
I mean it was perfect.

wonder if he was paid more from vince then alot of wrestlers that year

[Seanny One Ball]

I think questions like that see you in a concrete box

[Seanny One Ball]

20k for a local Sheriff I reckon.

20k in the 80's. Right into his nostrils.

[XL]

I think questions like that see you in a concrete box

Wait. What dies this have to do with Paul Bearer?

[Droford]

What's extra about the extended cut episodes of Benoit? My DVR recorded them but they're still 1 hour long each. I don't want to watch again if it's not something worthwhile

[Droford]

Besides Season 3 likely being a lock, seems VICE is also considering a potential spin-off series for non-wrestling topics based on the positive reception Dark Side of the Ring series has been generating for the network.

they could call the spinoff tales from the da..

Hmm

[WinterDecay]

One question, how is Dark Side of the Ring able to use WWF/E footage?

[Bad News Gertner]

They only use very short clips and they use youtube clips that are slightly distorted. I believe it's called "Fair Use"

[Seanny One Ball]

Just flip the image and distort the sound, you wiley pirates

[Jordan]

That was great.

[Bad News Gertner]

Had to pick up my gf from work so I'm gonna watch it tomorrow.

[slik]

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[Droford]

I like John Stossel as a investigative journalist type person but he's really a huge asshole

[Jordan]

This was one of my favorite epsiodes yet. I have a lot of respect for Dr. D. He's a bad mother fucker. Goddamn I want to see Dr. D in his prime vs New Jack.

[Bad News Gertner]

Is Schultz still peddling his bullshit story about he and Mr.T

[drave]

Hogan said that Dr. D slapped the piss outta Mr. T.


Dr. D maintains he was going over to see his friend Tanaka, next to him. I was kinda fucked up watching this, so names might not be right....


This was good shit. This dude does NOT give a fuck. I always recall seeing this clip, but knew nothing about the story around it. Loved it.


Stossel is a huge fucking pussy.

[Bad News Gertner]

Greg Valentine said he watched the whole thing happen. Chief Jay basically told Greg "watch this" and as soon as Dr. D ran towards the ring he was tackled and hog tied by a bunch of cops

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Is Schultz still peddling his bullshit story about he and Mr.T

what was the story he'd regularly been telling?

[drave]

He was a badass bounty hunter too, ahead of DOG :lol:

[Jordan]

In hindsight it's too bad he didn't beat him bloody considering what it cost him. Fuck Vince he told Dave to let him have it. I really wish Shultz would've been the WWF heel that epsiode intended. I wonder was he going to originally have the Piper role at WrestleMania?

[Bad News Gertner]

He was barely above a jobber to the stars by the end of 84

Schultz was more or less done being a pushed guy when they replaced Schultz with Bob Orton in Piper's crew in mid 84

[Jordan]

He should have slammed Andre at Pontiac

[Seanny One Ball]

How much soda pop have you drunk, Jordan?

[Seanny One Ball]

what was the story he'd regularly been telling?

Although Schultz has consistently maintained that World Wrestling Federation officials told him to hit Stossel (specifically, he insists that Vince McMahon himself said, "Blast him (Stossel), tear his ass up, stay in character -- 'Doctor D'..."), Schultz ultimately was fired. Many industry insiders believe that it was not because of his actions against Stossel, but rather because he challenged Mr. T to a fight backstage at a WWF show at Madison Square Garden.

I seem to remember a lot of guys talking about how Mr T was a dick, I know Piper and him didn't get along at all.

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[Bad News Gertner]

The Mr.T incident happened in California, not MSG.

[Bad News Gertner]

Herb Abrams next week will be the most entertaining episode they've done.

[Bad News Gertner]

This kind of stuff is why I'm so interested in this era and have been for years. There's so many crazy ass stories from that time.

[Seanny One Ball]

The Mr.T incident happened in California, not MSG.


It don't matter none

[Seanny One Ball]

Herb Abrams next week will be the most entertaining episode they've done.

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[Bad News Gertner]

Lol fuck I can't wait for that episode

[Seanny One Ball]

The Dr D one has been pretty funny. Almost as funny as New Jack.
I was nearly in tears laughing when he slapped Stossel and Stossel said "Holy shit". That was well cut.
Never noticed that Schultz never even pulled his hand back.

BLAM!

[Seanny One Ball]

"My ears were ringing"

Yeah no shit John you complete gimp.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Dr. D did an hour long interview with Cornette where he goes into a little detail on the Stossell incident and talks about his bounty hunting. Highly advised listen.

[Seanny One Ball]

He slapped the shit out of him.

Hahahahaha

[Seanny One Ball]

John Stossel is a scumbag man. Right to the camera "It hurt until I got paid".

At least the Belzer guy named his house after Hulk Hogan. This guy is just a douchebag.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

We all know it's staged. But to go up to the guys who are putting the work and tell them "you're fake" or "it's fake" is fucking asking for trouble in that era.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think I'd rather get choked out by Hogan than slapped twice by Dr D

[drave]

I can understand why he would be pissed about a star coming in to the first-ever Mania, given how "closed" the industry was then, and the shit guys had to do to get over.


He was an amazing heel, that is how heels should STILL work. They should be assholes everywhere, all the time.

[Seanny One Ball]

Ahahahahaha they showed the Belzer clip

[drave]

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@ 2:30

[Seanny One Ball]

Oh man, nothing compares to seeing a skinny guy getting choked out by a mountain

[Seanny One Ball]

Kuwaiti jail awaits

[ozzman6669]

The funniest part about Hogan choking the other guy is how calm he was after saying if you laugh at me i will choke you out !!

[ozzman6669]

The only thing missing in this episode is that they didn't went into the steroids trial at all. Maybe they will do an episode about it in season 3 !

[Damian Rey 2.0]

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@ 2:30

Bwa hahaha fuck I love Vader. Really wish they had pushed him like the monster he was. Especially after he attacked Monsoon. That guy was shitting his fucking pants.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Watching the slap episode. Fucking Stossel is smarmy bastard. Never felt bad for him. But he's called wrestling bullshit like 5x now. Fuck that guy.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Like this guy was actively looking to expose the business for no reason. It's not like he was saying he wanted to expose steroid use or sexual actually. His beef was it as predetermined and 3 out of every 10 bought it as real? Lmao

[drave]

And after a slap, he ran away like a bitch.


The line of "Yeah, my pain went away...... after I got paid". After he claimed to not be able to be a father to his own newborn did it for me.


"I can't be a dad because I don't have money for getting called on MY shit".

[Seanny One Ball]

The most interesting thing anyone learned from that episode is that there is an actual term for people who hold onto pain in order to attain financial compensation.

I had never heard of such a thing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, I wasn't in love with that episode. But I didn't dislike it either. I find that there isn't much in the way of anything new being revealed about this stuff. I mean, it's always fun to hear from the talking heads It really depends on the narrative direction taken. The Benoit episode was my favorite but not for anything that was revealed, but more for the perspective from Daniel and Nancy's sister.

[Savio]

Everyone on this forum would stand up to Dr. D and probably whoop his ass if put in the same position.

[Seanny One Ball]

No, none of us would have said it.
Especially not to him...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah I'd try to buddy up to Dr. D most likely in hopes that I looked tough via association.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

In no way would I sit there and tell a wrestler what he does is fake lol.

[Droford]

Wonder how he'd react to being called a sports entertainer not a professional wrestler

[Seanny One Ball]

Are you bald because you split all of your hairs?

[Bad News Gertner]

Finally watched the Schultz episode.

Lol oh Eddy Mansfield. The next truth he tells will be the first.

Kind of a meh episode. I'd rate it the weakest of the season except for the Brawl for All one.

[Bad News Gertner]

Eddy Mansfield would later run independent shows with a lot of wrestlers from that era which is hilarious. A good payday trumps principles

[drave]

Eddy Mansfield would later run independent shows with a lot of wrestlers from that era which is hilarious. A good payday trumps principles




He did it for the boys, member?

[Emperor Smeat]

Just finished watching the Shultz episode and it was pretty decent.

:lol: at Vince and WWE sending John Stossel to a quack doctor as a way to get out of a lawsuit.

The story between Mr. T and Shultz and Hogan pulling a similar stunt to a reporter were way more interesting than the slap story itself.

[drave]

Or even the fact that Hogan choking a guy out on TV and (possibly) giving him a concussion was "okay" and everyone laughed. But 2 lil slaps is not okay...

[Jordan]

Eddy Mansfield would later run independent shows with a lot of wrestlers from that era which is hilarious. A good payday trumps principles

Do you know if he offered health insurance or 401k?

[Savio]

Does eddy mansfield not even have a wikipedia page?

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah but you have to go to the Abe Lincoln page and link through "See Also" to "List of unemancipated wrestlers"

[Jordan]

I've never gone through the UWF tapes. This is really enjoyable. I started from epsiode one and am surprised. Really fun. Col Debeers lmao smh ...

[Bad News Gertner]

Get used to every match between two name wrestlers ending in a dq.

Lol I've watched every episode.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think I saw a bunch of UWF on Amazon last year. I seem to remember a very excellent and funny Bret Hart promo.

I have no idea who he was facing.

[Jordan]

I think I saw a bunch of UWF on Amazon last year. I seem to remember a very excellent and funny Bret Hart promo.

I have no idea who he was facing.

Huhhh???

[Seanny One Ball]

It may be on Memphis actually.

There was a WWF invasion angle around 93 somewhere. Lots of amazing promos.

[Seanny One Ball]

UWF was definitely also on Amazon Prime though so I probably conflated the two.

[Jordan]

I'm 4 episodes in and here are my thoughts...

In reading about UWF I always thought the roster sounded bloated (literally) and underwhelming. But with Bruno and the very enegetic Herb Abrams on commentary, plus Captain's Corner every episode... this shit is really fun.

Steve Williams is great, Cactus is blooming, Patera is still pretty good, Orton is still good, Orndorff is still good ... Brain Blair is like a low rent Sting.. awesome. I enjoy the package they are selling. It's simple but it does remind me a lot of WWF Superstars in a good way too. Some of the promo's are really bad but it's like that 90's bad that is really entertaining.

LOL as I type this a masked character named "THE VIKING" just a promo and said "I don't have to tell you how bad I am". HAHAHAA.

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[Jordan]

It may be on Memphis actually.

There was a WWF invasion angle around 93 somewhere. Lots of amazing promos.

The WWF invasion of Memphis in the early 90's is fucking awesome stuff. WWE should try and get that converted to HD and released on the Network.

[Jordan]

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It's uncanny. He's like a low rent Sting but you know it's still good.

[Seanny One Ball]

The WWF invasion of Memphis in the early 90's is fucking awesome stuff. WWE should try and get that converted to HD and released on the Network.


Well, like I just said it is clearly owned by Amazon.
Plus the Network is dying a rapid death.

[Seanny One Ball]

Please stop comparing B Brian Blair to Sting.
Shit shirts and a good attitude was just the 90's as a whole.

[Bad News Gertner]

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It's uncanny. He's like a low rent Sting but you know it's still good.


Take a wild fucking guess who was booking the UWF at the time.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sneak peek of tomorrow’s episode ��<br><br>Herb Abrams had a unique way of introducing new talent to the UWF. For Colonel Red, it was a night he would never forget. <br><br>“Cocaine &amp; Cowboy Boots: The Herb Abrams” tomorrow, 10p on <a href="https://twitter.com/VICETV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VICETV</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/CraveCanada?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CraveCanada</a>. <a href="https://t.co/DSUu2YtybP">pic.twitter.com/DSUu2YtybP</a></p>&mdash; Dark Side of the Ring (@DarkSideOfRing) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing/status/1257396857464070144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Omg I can't wait for this episode. And on my birthday!

Lol I've been building this episode up now for months. It had better not be a dud

[slik]

Happy Birthday Gertner, UWF's only PPV:


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[Bad News Gertner]

Lol you just reminded me of a great UWF story. At the 1994 Blackjack Brawl, Mando Guerrero fought Jack Armstrong for athe light heavyweight title. Mando was supposed to come out to Rico Suave by Gerrado, but someone made a mistake and played Taco Grande by Weird Al Yankovic which was a parody of the song. Mando was clearly not amused lol

Starts at 13:40

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[Fignuts]

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[slik]

This episode was wild and I really enjoyed it.

Herb Abrams was quite the character.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Getting ready to watch. V excited

[Bad News Gertner]

Awesome episode. A couple great Herb stories that weren't mentioned.

Herb thought Wild Thing Steve Ray was sleeping with his wife. So Herb paid Dr. Death to shoot on his during a match.

Starts towards the end of the match

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[Bad News Gertner]

Bix found some documents with the Nevada State Athletic Comission for Blackjack Brawl including signed statements from wrestlers stating they were paid.

The statements were forged. Half the wrestlers real names were misspelled lol

[Seanny One Ball]

I've seen that Dr Death shoot before. Disgraceful.

[Droford]

Basically the video on how not to start a wrestling promotion. Filing in the back of my mind in case I win a bunch of money

[erickman]

died with coke and hookers with just boots on.

I am surprised he found hookers that would take checks

[owenbrown]

Awesome episode. A couple great Herb stories that weren't mentioned.

Herb thought Wild Thing Steve Ray was sleeping with his wife. So Herb paid Dr. Death to shoot on his during a match.

Starts towards the end of the match

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There's an episode of Wrestling with Wregret on the UWF where I believe there's an excerpt of Steve Ray discussing this.

[Bad News Gertner]

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Here is the infamous Herb Abrams v Col. Red angle.

Pure coked up Herb insanity.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think I saw a bunch of UWF on Amazon last year. I seem to remember a very excellent and funny Bret Hart promo.

I have no idea who he was facing.


I think this was USWA actually.

So many acronyms.

[Seanny One Ball]

I'm sure Mick Foley went on about Herb in Have A Nice Day because I remember him mentioning the boots before.

Good episode, I learned a lot.
I definitely thought Herb came off as much more lovable than anyone else in DSOTR before now.

[Bad News Gertner]

I think this was USWA actually.

So many acronyms.

Yeah there was a ton of USWA on Amazon Prime . Not sure if it's still there.

[owenbrown]

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[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For some reason, the promotional image for next week’s <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarkSideOfRing</a> on The Road Warriors is Joe Laurinaitis/Animal as The Road Warrior in Daisy Dukes before he formed the team with Mike Hegstrand/Hawk. As opposed to…like, any photo of them together. <a href="https://t.co/xxh4sGDpkZ">pic.twitter.com/xxh4sGDpkZ</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1258137301240119296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Seanny One Ball]

If I was the DSOTR producer I'd tweet back any picture of Bixenspan.

Imagine being down spoken to by a guy that looks like that.

[Bad News Gertner]

The Road Warriors were very "gay porny" when they first started.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

RE: Dr. D episode

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This is fucking beautiful. Amazing that this exists.

[owenbrown]

I wonder if how things might have been different with the UWF had Herb Abrams didn't have his vices. Also, what would he (Abrams) have called the UWF had Bill Watts trademarked the letters.

[Bad News Gertner]

They were dead in the water regardless. All these promotions that wanted to present wrestling "the way it used to be" all had a short shelf life (UWF, AWF etc..). SMW is probably the most successful and even that had a low ceiling.

[Bad News Gertner]

I can't remember, did the episode bring up Herb getting mad at Meltzer writing negative shit about the UWF so he named a jobber after Meltzer

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don't remember them bringing it up but its hilarious

[Seanny One Ball]

I've tried cocaine but I've never been insanely high on it.
I bet that's a hell of a feeling. Running about naked all greased up with Vaseline and coke.

It has to be seen to be believed.

[Bad News Gertner]

David Bixenspan just wrote a really interesting story for Mel Magazine regarding a 1983 police report he discovered stating that Vince McMahon tried to talk Nancy Argentino out of filing a complaint against Snuka. Really fucking interesting.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/jimmy-snuka-girlfriend-nancy-argentino-death

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 Weeks &amp; Counting! With the full support of Dr. Hart &amp; the OHF Vice-Media's Dark Side of the Ring is releasing tragic story of Owen Hart’s final days with never-before-seen footage. Show airs Tues. May 19th on USA's Vice on TV &amp; Crave TV in Canada at 10pm ET &amp; 10pm PT. Do watch! <a href="https://t.co/niihQlZOfO">pic.twitter.com/niihQlZOfO</a></p>&mdash; The Owen Hart Foundation (@owen_foundation) <a href="https://twitter.com/owen_foundation/status/1257750240779628544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Never before seen footage"......wonder how many dipshits will think it's footage of the actual fall.

[owenbrown]

Probably a lot of backstage stuff

[Emperor Smeat]

Meltzer had a story in this week's Observer Newsletter from someone who worked for Herb Adams' UWF revealing how much of a mess the company was backstage.

Regarding last week’s Dark Side of the Ring and Herb Abrams, we got a nice anecdote from reader Jeff Cohen on that subject.

“I watched the DARK SIDE episode on Herb Abrams tonight. They seemed to portray him as a freewheeling cokehead but never mentioned that - as far as I know - he was married. I met his wife, a quiet Asian woman. She, Herb, and I rode in the limo back from the Babylon, NY house show that the UWF ran. At that event, she sold/ripped tickets while I sold t-shirts. The promotion was so disorganized that I found out I was selling shirts WHEN I GOT TO THE VENUE and helped carry the boxes into the lobby of the high school (assisted by David Sammartino). Simply put, they had assigned or hired NOBODY to do it. I borrowed a marker and used the back of some event fliers to put up signs saying "T-SHIRTS $12." At intermission, Herb's wife counted cash, then looked over and asked, "Who gave you $12 as the price?" I said "Nobody." She replied, "Oh, they're usually $13." I remember Herb frantically coming over and asking her for as much cash as she could give him - then asked me how much I'd sold. I handed him over $600. Whoever rented the gym was demanding cash, not a check. His rep had started to grow by then. The day before (Friday) there was supposed to be a house show in Jamaica, Queens at a converted movie house that now booked occasional gospel revival shows. I had scouted Queens locations for him (John Arezzi scouted Long Island) and showed up that night in a suit, nervous if this was my `big break’ into wrestling. The building was FREEZING as I arrived and met Arezzi. The ring was being assembled and the workmen were in winter coats (it was January). Arezzi and his WIFE arrived in a limo. He was not in a good mood b/c the concession stand was not set up and the heat was off. The event manager explained `I told you, Herb, I need cash not a check.’ Herb replied, `I gave you a check for $1,000!’ The manager said , `If you give me cash, I will turn on the heat.’ Furious, Herb said, `The show's off!’ He yelled at the ring workers, `Break it down, show's off!’ He went to the box (his wife was in the box office selling tickets) and told her to refund money. He went outside as the first limo pulled up and Ivan Koloff jumped out. Herb yelled, `Send the limo back to Manhattan! The show if off!’ Arezzi rolled his eyes and said, `See you tomorrow’ (at his wrestling convention at the LaGuardia Marriott). When I got there, Herb's wife was at the table selling pictures of wrestlers who were in the signing room. She recognized me and asked me to sell photos while she used the bathroom. She didn't come back lol. I wound up selling photos until the event ended. At that point, Herb asked me to attend the show in Babylon and stuck me in a limo with Steve Ray, B. Brian Blair and his wife, and Paul Orndorff. I was pretty intimidated but Steve had a bunch of questions about New York for me. I was also there at the end of the night when Herb was doing payoffs (by check). Herb told a funny story about how his wife wrote the check to Andre for the one UWF TV taping that he attended. She didn't know his real name and made it out to Andre the Giant, so his business manager had to handle cashing it at the bank.

[Bad News Gertner]

That's amazing lol

[Bad News Gertner]

If anyone is interested in learning more about Herb, Bix and Kris Zellner did a two part Between the Sheets episode on the history of Herb Abrams and the UWF.

It's very good


https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/between-the-sheets/free-patreon-flashback-herb-SVtXJP6hFko/

[Seanny One Ball]

No thanks.

My ears are not keen for what my eyes have seen and my nose has imagined.

[Bad News Gertner]

If you've watched the LOD DVD that the WWE put out a while back then last nights episode was just a rehash of the DVD

[Seanny One Ball]

Another Montreal

[Jordan]

I really enjoyed the Road Warriors doc. I liked Animals honesty and hearing from Hawks brothers.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My thoughts on this doc:



**Fart Noise**


Nah it was fine, but pretty by the numbers.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It wasn't as in depth as I wanted it to be. It glazed over their whole career I felt. Road Warriors need a longer time slot for a doc.

[Jordan]

I really enjoyed Paul Ellering and Hawk's brothers added a family element I didn't know about this big guy. I've been watching all the Darkside's with my gf, and this was one of her favorites. I think Brody was her favorite so far. She doesn't know anything beoynd the brief preface I'll give before the show starts.


One thing I didn't LOVE is how they acted like They went from WWF to split and Hawk in Japan back to WWF, when they had another WCW run as a team this time in blue. Which I hated.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah I rolled my eyes at them ignoring the WCW run. Also, they were given a chance for a year to make an impact in WWE in 1997. They just stank out the joint because they were WELL past their prime.

[Bad News Gertner]

They didn't even mention their AWA run

[Seanny One Ball]

They never mentioned the Titantron suicide angle which should have been properly discussed.
I thought going into it that Hawk's addiction & downslide had to be the main focus but they paid it no more than lip service as a reason for their decline as a team.

Now that I think about it, it was a complete waste of an episode.

[xrodmuc316]

Didn't like the Roadwarrior episode, mostly because it was the same ting WWE put out in like 2006 or whenever that DVD came out.

It was all the same guest even for the most part, Ellering, Smash, Droz.

First time in 2 seasons it felt like a simple rehash.

[slik]

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[Bad News Gertner]

Oh shit I forgot to listen to that today

And there's no way that can be true.

[ozzman6669]

Didn't both side couldn't talk about any legal issues since the settlement ?? If she broke the agreement can wwe start to make money from Owen again ??

[slik]

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[slik]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Didn't both side couldn't talk about any legal issues since the settlement ?? If she broke the agreement can wwe start to make money from Owen again ??

Probably expired some time ago considering how open and willing she's been in recent times with anything Owen related compared to before.

Then again WWE supposedly violated the terms several times before so the NDA probably isn't worth its paper anymore.

[slik]

It sounds like the breach of contract lawsuit is basically that WWE had two clauses in Owen's contract that lawsuits could only happen in CT and WWE could not be held responsible for injury or death so by starting a lawsuit of wrongful death in Missourri, Martha Hart was technically violating Owen's contract, twice.

Things got settled before this was ruled on, of course, but Vince IIRC did state he believes WWE would have won against Martha had things not settled.

[slik]

Never heard this before -- you can hear Owen hit the ring around 1:26

:(


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[Seanny One Ball]

I think that commentator is dyslexic because he kept saying ewno instead of Owen.

[Bad News Gertner]

Last episode of the season tomorrow which sucks.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently Scott Norton was not happy at all with his appearance in the Road Warriors episode.

Something about how he was interviewed for over 3 hours and didn't like how he was portrayed based on the stuff used. Made it seem like he was harsh towards the duo when that wasn't the case during the actual interview.

Also mentioned Hawk's brother messaging him before the interview about needing to be careful with what he says since the producers were not trustworthy when it came to their intentions for episodes.

[xrodmuc316]

Owen should have just said no.

The narrative has always been Owen was uncomfortable but didn't want to say no again since he just refused to do an affair angle with Debra, and he didn't want to say no again...

BUT, he wanted to leave when the Screwjob happened but WWE wouldn't let him out of his contract. So why was he worried about missing Vince/WWE off if he wasn't trying to keep his job there anyways?

Also, it's not like he would have been refusing an angle, just an entrance stunt. It's not the same thing.

Plus, he did the stunt prior to that day. Bet they won't bring that up on the upcoming episode.

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[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly the real reasons was Vince threatened legal action against Owen if he quit and Bret warning him that WCW was a miserable place to work for and not worth the hassle.

Also unlike the others that left, Owen supposedly didn't feel he was that financially well off to risk legal issues or retire comfortably with his family.

The accident itself pretty much was due to Vince shrugging off Owen's concerns he had with the harness during the show.

[slik]

WWE's lawyer releases a statement implying Martha didn't care why Owen died, yikes


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This new quote from Jerry McDevitt/WWE on Martha Hart is really something to behold. <a href="https://t.co/qLrcuapZa6">pic.twitter.com/qLrcuapZa6</a></p>&mdash; jœlius cæsar (@tedwassonasong) <a href="https://twitter.com/tedwassonasong/status/1262637093639147520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

Does he not realize the same criticisms about her trying to "fix the judicial selection process" is the exact same thing WWE constantly does whenever they get sued.

Its why WWE desperately tries to get all their cases heard in Connecticut regardless of the actual jurisdiction since the judges in their area are more favorable to WWE and corporate interests.

[Bad News Gertner]

What made them think that was going to make things better? No good can come from that

[Damian Rey 2.0]

In the middle of the episode. Vince comesoff like Trump with how defensive he gets and his quickness to get and flip the tables and be the victim.

Also, this shit is obscenely sad. Poor Owen.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fucking hell <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DarkSideOfTheRing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DarkSideOfTheRing</a> <a href="https://t.co/m2pZmeMsRR">pic.twitter.com/m2pZmeMsRR</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1262934146520932352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah that whole episode once the accident happens is really hard too watch. Didn't think I'd see Cornette break down.

[slik]

Still emotional over an hour later.

That was really hard to watch and really, really good.

[slik]

Mind boggling

https://i.postimg.cc/02dctX7Z/EYbuh-Ma-XYAEk-OP7.jpg

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Was fucking floored that the equipment wwe approvedof wasn't meant for harnessing human beings. How the fuck Vince got away with this is amazing. Jesus.

[slik]

All those wrestlers too, wrestling on a dented ring with their friend's blood freshly stained in the corner.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Can't imagine trying to go on with the show. In hindsight it was an awful decision.

[Seanny One Ball]

Was fucking floored that the equipment wwe approvedof wasn't meant for harnessing human beings. How the fuck Vince got away with this is amazing. Jesus.

Yeah this whole thing put me off carabiner keychains when I was young.
And mountaineering obviously.

[Seanny One Ball]

When Jericho compared Owen to Johnny from The Karate Kid it clicked in my brain perfectly.
That is why I always bought Owen Hart as a heel. He really is a bigger Johnny Lawrence.

[Seanny One Ball]

Holy shit, I don't think I ever heard that Owen had shouted "look out" as he fell before seeing that.

[Seanny One Ball]

That was a great episode. There was a hell of a lot of Martha and family in it which was a big get for the show, that adds some serious credibility.
I think the most important thing was that JR and Corny both reacted in a much more open and emotional way about Owen than I have ever heard them before. Every good wrestling podcast has an Owen episode and none besides Something To Wrestle ever took it to a place where tears were evident.

I'm not saying I liked them crying, it was just nice to see that they aren't as toughened to the subject as I had thought.
It was refreshing to see sadness alongside the obvious anger, I suppose.

[Seanny One Ball]

It was also a clear and damning attack on Vince Mahon without taking away from Owen at all. I don't think any episode has taken such well placed shots at him and it was all organic.

Martha undoubtedly calculated her input for maximum damage but good for her, I doubt it was a reach.

[Emperor Smeat]

Owen Hart episode ended up surpassing the Chris Benoit 2-hour episode as the most watched episode in series history by around 29,000 viewers.

Benoit episode had 320k while the Owen episode had 349k.

[Bad News Gertner]

David Bixenspan just found a report that stated Max Mini was originally supposed to be attached to Owen the night of the fall but they decided against it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To add more context to this, here's Max Mini's testimonial from the Owen Hart tribute ep. of WWF Los Super Astros, which aired on 5/30/1999, 7 days after the accident.<br><br>I've overlaid English subtitles thanks to transcription &amp; translation work from <a href="https://twitter.com/PharrFromHeaven?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PharrFromHeaven</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/RobViper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RobViper</a>. <a href="https://t.co/372kyYQxVR">https://t.co/372kyYQxVR</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z5gheMH4e5">pic.twitter.com/Z5gheMH4e5</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1263157748893650944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Jesus

[Savio]

I thought the blood on the ring was from a Brood "Blood Bath" or the hardcore match that took place earlier in the night.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I had thought something happened on Heat.

I think the Brood gave the Hardyz a bloodbath or something like that

[Savio]

Yeah I found it, Matt touches the mat after the blood bath


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[Bad News Gertner]

Goldust and Blue Meanie vs Hardyz /w/ Michael Hayes.

I totally forgot both were a thing.

[Seanny One Ball]

Michael Hayes should never have been encouraged to wear that shirt the Hardy's used to wear. It was too tight on his bulky old frame.
He looked so sweaty and hairy.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I remember thinking Michael Hayes getting to manage the Hardys would be game changing for them. It certainly got them going in the right direction.

[Bad News Gertner]

Michael Hayes going to a rave later on

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh yeah, forgot about this match. I always remember the two brothers in the crowd doing some sort of jive handshake after Bradshaw clotheslines Jeff out of mid air.


EH9wa7hbxbE

[Savio]

Oh yeah, forgot about this match. I always remember the two brothers in the crowd doing some sort of jive handshake after Bradshaw clotheslines Jeff out of mid air.


lolll

[Seanny One Ball]

Of course Hayes is in the shirt in that video.

[Emperor Smeat]

David Bixenspan just found a report that stated Max Mini was originally supposed to be attached to Owen the night of the fall but they decided against it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To add more context to this, here's Max Mini's testimonial from the Owen Hart tribute ep. of WWF Los Super Astros, which aired on 5/30/1999, 7 days after the accident.<br><br>I've overlaid English subtitles thanks to transcription &amp; translation work from <a href="https://twitter.com/PharrFromHeaven?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PharrFromHeaven</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/RobViper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RobViper</a>. <a href="https://t.co/372kyYQxVR">https://t.co/372kyYQxVR</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z5gheMH4e5">pic.twitter.com/Z5gheMH4e5</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1263157748893650944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Vince and WWE ditching the safer or more reliable options because they looked "too slow" for tv makes them even look more despicable for going through with the stunt.

[RP]

Yeah I found it, Matt touches the mat after the blood bath


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Thanks for the time stamp you fucking asshole.

[Emperor Smeat]

For those interested, the Observer had a free episode of their Observer Radio show yesterday with Martha Hart as the guest and uploaded it afterwards on their Youtube channel.

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[RP]

Watching right now. His daughter got his nose.

[Droford]

Holy shit, I don't think I ever heard that Owen had shouted "look out" as he fell before seeing that.

I was going to say thsts the only real new thing I heard out of the episode.

[RP]

Vince McMahon is really some piece of shit. More the reason I hope WWE goes under before Vince dies. So he has to see his baby die.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Vince and WWE ditching the safer or more reliable options because they looked "too slow" for tv makes them even look more despicable for going through with the stunt.

And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting his employee at risk and that employee dying due to negligence?

[Savio]

Thanks for the time stamp you fucking asshole.
If you can't figure out when a "Brood bloodbath" might take place during a video titled "Blue Meanie and Goldust vs the Hardy Boys" that's on you.

[drave]

And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting his employee at risk and that employee dying due to negligence?




Money.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Michael Hayes going to a rave later on

Where he would surely put Rohypnol in some poor girl's drink.

[XL]

And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting <s>his employee</s> an independent contractor at risk and that <s>employee</s> independent contractor dying due to negligence?

[BigCrippyZ]

And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting his employee at risk and that employee dying due to negligence?

I'm not a criminal attorney so this isn't really my area of expertise, outside of the criminal application of general civil negligence principles applied to a business and/or its agents or employees.

First, unfortunately, money and PR almost undoubtedly had a large role in no one being charged criminally.

Second, it's difficult and rarely a slam dunk to prove recklessness or negligence, especially in a criminal case where the standard for conviction is the much higher, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Third, assuming that Vince was likely not directly responsible or involved in any of the actual engineering, planning, use, or selection of the equipment that failed or was inadequate, it would be increasingly difficult to prove that Vince himself essentially knew or should have known that use of the equipment involved would have likely caused the death of Owen.

Talbert would be a more likely candidate, but that would still be a tough ask. It's also possible that additional evidence the state may have felt it needed to prove negligence or recklessness did not become available or apparent until after the statute of limitations period of three years had passed.

There's also the idea that, for the WWE people involved, it was unforeseeable that the equipment manufacturer would be negligent in making or recommending the inadequate equipment, and the manufacturer's negligence was an intervening cause or act negating any culpability to anyone personally involved from WWE.

[fundiddle]

If you can't figure out when a "Brood bloodbath" might take place during a video titled "Blue Meanie and Goldust vs the Hardy Boys" that's on you.
lol, no shit. also, i'm pretty sure the video you posted has Matt in the opposite ring corner from where the accident occurred but i could be wrong

[Jordan]

Is season 3 confirmed?

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't believe it has

[Emperor Smeat]

No but one of the top people at VICE mentioned a few weeks ago about them being eager for a new season and also plans for a spin-off series.

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that

[Bad News Gertner]

Season 3 wishlist

1. Chris Adams
2. Chris Adams
3. Chris Adams
4. Chris Adams
5. Chris Adams

[Jordan]

On the Conrad "Darkside of the Podcast" they made it feel like they need a break but they hope to do season 3 in the future. They are tired and want to work on other projects for now it seems.

[Emperor Smeat]

I don't blame them for wanting to take a break since the second season did feel a lot more darker and depressing in tone than the first.

[Jordan]

One of the producers that his dream would be to do a Vince McMahon series of like 20 episodes, interviewing him in relation to all of the crazy stories he's involved in. Goddamn I hope that could happen.

[Seanny One Ball]

Vince McMahon is like the fairies in Peter Pan, if you believe in him hard enough he will make all of your dreams come true Jordan.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWI, VICE recently ordered a third season for the series with a potential debut date of April 2021.

Also according to the series composer, Dark Side of the Ring was originally planned to be called "Falls Count Anywhere" and wasn't meant to be as dark in tone for episodes.

Composers Wade MacNeil and Andrew Gordon Macpherson are the ones behind the music in which episodes of Dark Side of the Ring are set to. There's been talk of the series expanding to other art forms such as music in the future.

The composer duo was asked about the possibility of a Dark Side of The Music when they joined The Wrestling Inc Daily podcast.

"Here's my take on it: ignore the title Dark Side of the Ring for a second. When we signed onto the show, it was supposed to be called Falls Count Anywhere," revealed Andrew. "The concept of the show was that wrestling is one of the only worlds where an artist has to live their gimmick. So, for 24/7 Rowdy Roddy Piper had to live Rowdy Roddy Piper. Heels and babyfaces couldn't sit in the same dressing room and that dedication to the show started to affect reality. Then reality started to affect the show of wrestling. The original concept was supposed to be the world of kayfabe and how it affects reality and how reality affects it. It wasn't supposed to be World's Deadliest Wrestling Shoots or anything like that."

[xrodmuc316]

I'm not a criminal attorney so this isn't really my area of expertise, outside of the criminal application of general civil negligence principles applied to a business and/or its agents or employees.

First, unfortunately, money and PR almost undoubtedly had a large role in no one being charged criminally.

Second, it's difficult and rarely a slam dunk to prove recklessness or negligence, especially in a criminal case where the standard for conviction is the much higher, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Third, assuming that Vince was likely not directly responsible or involved in any of the actual engineering, planning, use, or selection of the equipment that failed or was inadequate, it would be increasingly difficult to prove that Vince himself essentially knew or should have known that use of the equipment involved would have likely caused the death of Owen.

Talbert would be a more likely candidate, but that would still be a tough ask. It's also possible that additional evidence the state may have felt it needed to prove negligence or recklessness did not become available or apparent until after the statute of limitations period of three years had passed.

There's also the idea that, for the WWE people involved, it was unforeseeable that the equipment manufacturer would be negligent in making or recommending the inadequate equipment, and the manufacturer's negligence was an intervening cause or act negating any culpability to anyone personally involved from WWE.

Also, there was never distinct evidence to determine how exactly it happened. The harness didn't break, it just disconnected. There is no way to prove that it failed independently of Owen Hart. Hence the long standing speculation that Owen accidentally triggered the quick release himself.

It's why they had a civil case instead of a criminal case. Had the clamp broke or the cable snapped, it would still be very hard to prove criminal charges, but their would be an argument to bring charges. Without that, they did what they could and held Vince financially responsible.

[xrodmuc316]

Season 3 wishlist

1. Chris Adams
2. Chris Adams
3. Chris Adams
4. Chris Adams
5. Chris Adams

I would LOVE an episode on the missing years of Perry Saturn. That is such a fascinating story that a famous wrestler could fall of the earth for years to the point many people thought he was dead.

[Droford]

I would LOVE an episode on the missing years of Perry Saturn. That is such a fascinating story that a famous wrestler could fall of the earth for years to the point many people thought he was dead.

Did this ever come out

ST. PAUL, Minn. (Nov. 5, 2017) — INFLUX Pictures has started filming for its upcoming documentary “The Rings of Saturn,” which examines the post-wrestling life of Perry Satullo, who, under the ring name Perry Saturn, fought for Extreme Championship Wrestling, World Championship Wrestling and the World Wrestling Federation.

The film, planned for a July 2018 release, will feature interviews with Saturn and other former and current professional wrestlers and promoters, actor re-enactments and animated sequences.

[xrodmuc316]

Did this ever come out

If I remember correctly they couldn't finish it without crowd sourcing and the producer got #metoo'ed.

[Seanny One Ball]

Chris Adams
Johnny K9/Taras Bulba/Bruiser Bedlam
Dick Slater stabbing
Flair's plane crash
Gary Hart's plane crash
Jim Herd
Abdullah Hepatitis

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In this bonus scene from the season finale, Owen Hart's friends and family remember his notorious ribs both at home and in the ring. <a href="https://t.co/MbTQysHk7v">pic.twitter.com/MbTQysHk7v</a></p>&mdash; Dark Side of the Ring (@DarkSideOfRing) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing/status/1263554183657132037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Seanny One Ball]

Owen Hart's ribs had all of the impact of a turnbuckle from 100 feet.

Factual metaphor.

Respect the effort.

[Bad News Gertner]

Conrad brought up a great topic for season 3 on Grilling Jr this week


Muhammad Hassan

[Savio]

The heat he got was awesome, wish UPN didn't fuck him over.

[Evil Vito]

The fact that they chose to just kill Hassan off after that instead of give him another run on Raw where Spike would've let them get away with more was a tragedy.

[Emperor Smeat]

The heat he got was awesome, wish UPN didn't fuck him over.

Probably can blame WWE more for that since they really pissed off UPN by refusing their request to edit out his segment from that week's show because they felt it was in very poor taste considering what had happened in London earlier.

WWE gave some excuses for why they didn't but all that ended up doing was pissing off UPN even more when it actually aired on tv. Think either UPN threatened to pull their tv contract or some other serious punishment if WWE continued with the Hassan storyline for Smackdown.

[Danny Electric]

Now that guy could really work the mic, used to love Daviari shouting in Farsi too.

[Jordan]

Anyone watch Darkside of the Ring: Confidential? The first episode revisited and got deeper into the Gino Hernandez story. I enjoyed it even more than the original airing. They dropped that Gino's Grandfather married Jimmy Snuka's Mom in a kind of wild story. Also we learned that Gino was indeed not the son of Paul Bosch. Looking forward to the next one.

[xrodmuc316]

Anyone watch Darkside of the Ring: Confidential? The first episode revisited and got deeper into the Gino Hernandez story. I enjoyed it even more than the original airing. They dropped that Gino's Grandfather married Jimmy Snuka's Mom in a kind of wild story. Also we learned that Gino was indeed not the son of Paul Bosch. Looking forward to the next one.

I thought that as well. I think it was a good topic to start with as the Gino episode was my least favorite in season 1.

[Bad News Gertner]

Anyone watch Darkside of the Ring: Confidential? The first episode revisited and got deeper into the Gino Hernandez story. I enjoyed it even more than the original airing. They dropped that Gino's Grandfather married Jimmy Snuka's Mom in a kind of wild story. Also we learned that Gino was indeed not the son of Paul Bosch. Looking forward to the next one.

I was on the fence about this show because the DSOTR after shows ere so bad. Gonna give it a watch.

Lol I love that they settled the Paul Boesch/Gino's Hernandez thing

Now someone just needs to settle Gorilla Monsoon/Victor Quinones

[Jordan]

I was on the fence about this show because the DSOTR after shows ere so bad. Gonna give it a watch.

Lol I love that they settled the Paul Boesch/Gino's Hernandez thing

Now someone just needs to settle Gorilla Monsoon/Victor Quinones

Gorilla/Victor just makes too much sense not to be true. I can't imagine there is anyone alive who could justify the truth other than maybe Vince.

[xrodmuc316]

Gorilla/Victor just makes too much sense not to be true. I can't imagine there is anyone alive who could justify the truth other than maybe Vince.

I'm not even sure they even acknowledged that Joey Marella was his son, at least not back in the pre internet days.

Ventura always ripped on him and what a bad job he was doing while on Commentary with Gorilla, but back then as a kid I had no idea.

[Bad News Gertner]

The did in a couple House Shows but never on weekly t.v

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, so Jimmy Snuka was married Gino Hernandez's mother lol

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finally, the wait is over...<br><br>The first look at Season 3 is here! Premieres May 6 on <a href="https://twitter.com/VICETV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@vicetv</a>. <a href="https://t.co/q6zoI18ufO">pic.twitter.com/q6zoI18ufO</a></p>&mdash; Dark Side of the Ring (@DarkSideOfRing) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing/status/1380241662274895875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

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[Fignuts]

lol "happy side of the ring"

[Bad News Gertner]

The one show I make a point to watch.

I can't wait to hear some Johnny K-9 stories. He's a legend amongst the indie guys in my city.

[Jordan]

I'm most excited for FMW, Collision in Korea, Nick Gage and XPW (if that is covered, I think I read that it is).