Dark Side of The Ring Discussion Thread (Warning: Spoilers)

[Bad News Gertner]

I just wish the episodes were at least an hour and a half long. An short feels too short for some of these stories.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer Newsletter, Season 3 is going to be split up into two halves with the first half airing starting in May and the second half latter in the year.

Dark Side of the Ring, the most-watched television show in the history of VICE, returns for season three, which I believe will be broken up into two parts. The first part starts with a two-hour show on 5/6, which means a Thursday night time slot, I guess to avoid NXT on Tuesday. The big episode of the season is the first one on Brian Pillman. After that will be Nick Gage, Collision in Korea, Ultimate Warrior (notable because A&E is doing Ultimate Warrior as well), Grizzly Smith and the Smith family (Jake Roberts, Rockin Robin Smith and Sam Houston) and Dynamite Kid. Of these episodes, I was interviewed for Pillman and Dynamite. It’s been confirmed to us that the second half of season three would then take place later in the year for six or seven weeks

[Seanny One Ball]

The one show I make a point to watch.

I can't wait to hear some Johnny K-9 stories. He's a legend amongst the indie guys in my city.



Yeah I think Bruiser Bedlam is going to be the show of the season.
It blows my mind that he is so unknown given the crazy gangster shit he was getting up to.

John Nord would make a good subject for this too.
Quite the character!

[Seanny One Ball]

Brian Pillman getting a whole episode seems silly... The guy doesn't provide much in the way of interest.

Dynamite Kid will be a rehash of everything we already know, probably worth watching for anyone who hasn't read about him.
I mean his own book paints him as a massive cunt so just read that really.

[Seanny One Ball]

Bet they show the Foley clothesline before the five minute mark.

[Volare]

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[Jordan]

Goddamn I'd beat the fuck out of someone pizza cutting my mouth. There would be some heavy receipts.

[Bad News Gertner]

Nick fucking Gage baby

[Volare]

The way Mox can detail emotion and excitement, he must be a riot at Vegas Knights' games.

[Bad News Gertner]

Luna Vachon announced as a topic. That should be excellent. Also announced were the Plane Ride From Hell and the Steroid Trial. If they are able to get Dr. George Zahorian that would be my favourite "get" so far.

[Seanny One Ball]

Give us ring boys give us plane crashes give us Zomhofe, Sweetan and Hardbody Harrison.
Give us Chris Colt and Lars Sullivan and ask who spread more hepatitis? Those two or Abdullah the Butcher.

[Seanny One Ball]

Kurt Angle could get his own episode to be honest.
He's a fucked up guy.

[ozzman6669]

First hour of Pillman's episode is available !

[Fignuts]

Really good so far. Didn't know about the fucked up family stuff, or how he got his signature rasp.

Fucking love this Tim Woods guy.

[Bad News Gertner]

Watching it tonight. Can't wait.

[ozzman6669]

To be honest it made me hate the guy, a lot ! He was really a piece of shit in his personnal life !

[fundiddle]

certainly dark stuff, doesn't make me hate pillman just understand him better. looking forward to part deuce

[Bad News Gertner]

Decided to wait for it to come on Vice. Watching the Randy Savage A&E instead.

[Bad News Gertner]

Nick Fucking Gage next week

[#1-norm-fan]

The producers were on Cornette’s podcast and mentioned that Chris Colt is an episode they’ve discussed but the lack of footage is a problem.

[Bad News Gertner]

That would have been very interesting.

[Bad News Gertner]

They can probably squeeze another season or two tops out of this show

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m not sure who they could find to interview as far as his contemporaries but the stories alone could easily carry the episode.

[Bad News Gertner]

He worked a lot of small territories, so there isn't much footage of him. I'd watch an hour of Cornette telling Colt stories.

[Seanny One Ball]

Not much match footage but what of his porn career?

[M-A-G]

To be honest it made me hate the guy, a lot ! He was really a piece of shit in his personnal life !

I don't know about hating him but, yeah, he needed to keep it in his pants. Fuck Melanie, too.

[Seanny One Ball]

I watched it and quite frankly I agree.

Brian Pillman would be a piece of shit if a quarter of what was said was true, let alone all of it.

When your biggest defender is Stone Cold the wife beater...

Also isn't it weird how much like Pillman the dyke daughter looks?
She had the hair of a Marine and the tits of a twelve year old boy.

[Bad News Gertner]

Fuck I can't wait to watch it Thursday night

[Bad News Gertner]

tk0ZLZjSrwE

First half of the Pillman episode.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I watched the Herb Abrams episode recently. It was fine. Not quite as chaotic as I was expecting. Was cool to have Stevie Ray and Col. Red on there but it was a little soft.

And they didn’t even talk about the Dr. Death hit on Stevie Ray. Which I guess confirms it was a bit.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah Stevie Ray went did an interview and said it was a bit

The Herb episode was pretty good. I remember watching his show as a kid. When it got canceled they put on the AWF and their "Round system" featuring the young heart throb tag team of Greg Valentine and Tommy Rich with manager Rico Suave

[Bad News Gertner]

OK I couldn't wait and watched the first part of Pillman

God I love this show

[Fignuts]

Melanie Pillman seems like real scumbag. Feel like she only went on there and admitted guilt to save face, because she knew how bad her part in the story would come off.

[Bad News Gertner]

Like what good could possibly come from her being on this show for her sake.

[hb2k]

Melanie Pillman seems like real scumbag. Feel like she only went on there and admitted guilt to save face, because she knew how bad her part in the story would come off.

Believe me, Melanie did not have to admit guilt in the custody issue, there is more to the story. In the way she dealt with Rochelle and said and did bad things, absolutely, but the notion of going for custody...was a very complex issue for her to admit guilt to, because it probably was the right move at that specific time.

Melanie doesn't fare any better in Part 2, either.

[Loose Cannon]

Great episode . I’m obviously a huge Pillman fan and already knew most of the stuff that was discussed , but it was really cool to see people like Kim Wood, his sister, Melanie and the two daughters on the show. Melanie looks awful but I guess that’s what years and years of drug abuse does to you .

[Emperor Smeat]

Last year's #SpeakingOut movement is something the series producers are currently interested in doing for a future episode.

Dark Side of the Ring co-creators Evan Husney and Jason Eisener talked to VICE about season three of their series. Evan shared that they do have interest in covering the #SpeakingOut movement that began in the Summer of 2020 where many women shared their stories of sexual and/or emotional abuse in wrestling.

Husney: "We were definitely paying attention when that was happening, and it’s definitely something we’re interested in covering. In fact, there’s one story that I was quite passionate about that exemplified aspects of that movement, but the access to that story wasn’t there yet. It might be something we could possibly do down the line, but there are a lot of stories that we do pursue that don’t work out for access reasons. You don’t want to make a talking head piece that’s impersonal. For us, it just wasn’t the right time."

[Jordan]

I learned a lot in the Pillman episode. I've never read his biography so I really didn't know the extent of the crash and what caused it. It's nice to learn new things about old stories. This episode was really emotional, Pillman Jr's footage really got me. Poor family really had it bad after he passed. From this I hope that AEW really decided to give the kid a chance, I think he has the talent for success. After last weeks Dynamite I'm hoping that they build The Suicide Blondes to a PPV match with Lucha Express.

The JR footage as well was really personal and emotional. Hearing from Austin was good too, he removed himself quite a bit but that didn't surprise me he's not a very emotional guy.

Really glad they got Melanie, she obviously doesn't come off as any kind of hero but it was necessary for the story.

[Emperor Smeat]

Just finished watching the Pillman episode and it was easily one of the best in the series.

Helped that it was a two parter but had enough content where it flowed well and didn't feel like they were just trying to stretch things out to fill for time like some of the other episodes in the series.

Pillman Jr. breaking down over how his life spiraled downwards after his father's passing was a bit tough to watch. To go from someone who loved you very dearly to someone who was a piece of shit as a father figure was something he never deserved to experience.

[Bad News Gertner]

Stretch out for time? I actually think every episode should be at least an hour and a half. Most feel rushed IMO.

[Emperor Smeat]

Some of the weaker 1-hour episodes felt like they were stretching out content or a topic to fill the whole episode.

Think the Montreal Screwjob episode that had that feeling when it devolved into a Cornette vs. Russo bickering fest in the latter half.

[Triple A]

Jesus @ Vince interviewing his grieving widow for ratings and asking her "What are you and the kids going to do for money now?"

[Bad News Gertner]

Some of the weaker 1-hour episodes felt like they were stretching out content or a topic to fill the whole episode.

Think the Montreal Screwjob episode that had that feeling when it devolved into a Cornette vs. Russo bickering fest in the latter half.

I think they put that in because as much as people like you and I are tired of it, people eat that shit up. I have a couple friends who were more or less Attitude Era fans who thought the Cornette v Russo shit was hilarious. I told them this shit has been going on for 20 years lol

The Randy Savage episode for example I think could have used more time. They really glossed over his WCW run.

I also have to keep in mind that they are trying to tow the line between appealing to casuals and wrestling dorks like myself.

[Bad News Gertner]

Finished part 2 of Pillman. Jesus Christ. Poor Brian Jr. How he's become a normal dude and isn't a deranged serial killer from what he went through is amazing.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Bad News Gertner]

The more I think about it the more I'm looking forward to the XPW episode. That one is gonna be wild.

[Emperor Smeat]

The Warrior one is going to be really interesting since its airing on the same week as A&E's Biography episode on him.

Outside of the Macho Man episode, A&E's WWE based episodes have shied away a lot or flat out ignored any notable controversial stuff that would make WWE look bad.

[Bad News Gertner]

Which is expected

[Seanny One Ball]

Jesus @ Vince interviewing his grieving widow for ratings and asking her "What are you and the kids going to do for money now?"


I was watching Shawn Michaels Vs Stone Cold 1997 on YouTube and at the start of the match Shawn "protects" a guy with Downs Syndrome from security.
They make a whole big deal of it.

The shit Vince thinks other people will enjoy could be a whole episode itself.

[drave]

I'd watch the fuck outta that, but only if it was filmed, produced, directed by and starring Vince himself.


The WWEgo of the WWE or some other stupid catchy shit that's better than that.

[Jordan]

They can probably squeeze another season or two tops out of this show

Honestly I will watch whatever they come up with for further seasons. But I feel like if I can't come up with stories that I would want to see for a 1 hour doc called Dark Side of The Ring, beyond what they've already produced and have for this season. Then I think they will have some real trouble grabbing the big ratings they are accustom to. I highly doubt they will get the ratings for this season that they did in the last two.

[Jordan]

The most interesting things they can talk about at this point wouldn't fill a whole hour or would get them sued by Vince and co. or Hogan.

[Bad News Gertner]

They gotta do a Chris Adams one before they stop lol

[McLegend]

I was watching Shawn Michaels Vs Stone Cold 1997 on YouTube and at the start of the match Shawn "protects" a guy with Downs Syndrome from security.
They make a whole big deal of it.

The shit Vince thinks other people will enjoy could be a whole episode itself.

Do you think there was a chance that the kid just fell over the guardrail?

[mike adamle]

Anyone gotta stream for tonight's darkside? Pretty interested in this one and wanna watch it live but dont have vice tv

[Bad News Gertner]

Jesus Christ @ the Nick Gage episode already lol

[Fenix122]

Fucker is leaking blood but wants to get "taped up" and go back out...damn

[Jordan]

That was a great episode. Wow.

[Jordan]

I have only seen Nick live once. It was at Lost in New York. I can't recall seeing fans respond to anyone the way that they did for him that night. He brings out a sense of insanity, blood lust, violence that I've never experienced before. It was awesome. I'd been thinking "Will AEW bring in Nick for a program or some kind of death match with Mox or Kingston"... while I wish they would I don't see it happening. I don't think Tony could swing it with his criminal record. But I really wish the best for him, whatever that is to him.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seeing as he recently started a feud for the GCW title with Jon Moxley, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up in AEW at some point this year and AEW's been open towards deathmatch style wrestling for their shows.

AEW did have plans for him to show up at last year's All Out event but that got canned after he suffered a serious injury prior to it. Wasn't till last month that he finally recovered enough to resume wrestling.

[Bad News Gertner]

What a episode lol

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Bad News Gertner]

He's so great

[weather vane]

Jesus this is tough to watch.

[#1-norm-fan]

Haven’t been keeping up this season but the Collision in Korea episode... I have incredibly high hopes.

I need to watch the Pillman episode but from the sound of it, I really don’t wanna hate Pillman.

[Seanny One Ball]

The Nick Gage episode is shit in so many ways that it's sort of not that bad actually.
Like when hipsters enjoy things ironically.

[Seanny One Ball]

His girlfriend was like a smackhead Latina Fran Drescher

[Bad News Gertner]

The Nick Gage episode is fucking amazing. One or the better episodes. Season 3 is off to an amazing start.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can see how Nick Gage’s story could be enjoyable to someone in a train wreck reality TV/bum fights/Faces of Death sort of way. It misses the wrestling aspect that I watch these things for though so... pass.

[Bad News Gertner]

That's totally not at all what it's like, but whatever floats your boat

[Seanny One Ball]

I can see how Nick Gage’s story could be enjoyable to someone in a train wreck reality TV/bum fights/Faces of Death sort of way. It misses the wrestling aspect that I watch these things for though so... pass.


That's exactly what it's like, I thought of Jerry Springer style trash TV when I watched it.
The thing is full of smackheads.

[Jordan]

If it doesn't interest you I get it. For me it's an important story because CZW was the evolution of ECW. CZW was doing it's thing near the end of ECW, it had it's fan base which I was not apart of. It seemed like backyard wrestling mixed with steroids to me. It was way to brutal but at the same time worked for me to enjoy. But it does have a following. It started with the love for Japanese death matches which I used to have a peaking interest in. But I learned that this type of Wrestling really has very little to offer.

All that said. Nick as the main guy for GCW these days is quite relevant. They are probably the funnest live show in the US right now. It's taken the spot of PWG, ROH, and what ECW used to be as the "underground" company that is providing the inspiration for a lot going on in the mainstream.

For me this was one of the most captivating episodes yet. Cage is a live wire, he's a flash from the past, something you don't see these days in wrestling. The Arquette story was the crescendo that tied it all together. Complete insanity.

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm convinced SOB didn't watch the episode.

[Seanny One Ball]

I always do my due diligence.
Surely you know I hate that death match stuff.
I hated Cactus Vs Funk when I saw it recently too after I watched that Nick Mondo documentary and that Vice death match documentary with the really fat guy who gets some sort of spikey metal scouring pad that looks like it attaches to a drill hammered into his head.

I even watched a load of that idiot Necro Butcher's matches.
It always ends in light tubes gouging huge chunks out of people.

It's not what I like to watch.

Nick Gage was relatively interesting for a cheap white New Jack. I think he believes his own legend which is typical of a big fish in a very small pond.

It was just a bit greasy for my tastes.

[drave]

light tube matches are fucking dumb, and I enjoy the deathmatch style.

[Bad News Gertner]

The story of Nick Gage is really interesting, deathmatch wrestler or not.

[Seanny One Ball]

Guy becomes death match wrestler, gets hurt a bunch and gets hooked on drugs to cope with the physical pain, robs a bank like a moron and gets seven years in prison, guy wrestles deathmatch once more.

It would be more interesting if they had Art Donovan asking "Is this guy one of the wrestlers?" every time he said or did something stupid.

[Seanny One Ball]

If the show had been about his brother too that would have been good. I feel like there was a lot left unsaid there.

It's always more interesting when a seemingly good guy goes off the rails.

[Bad News Gertner]

You're way oversimplifying it

[#1-norm-fan]

The story of Nick Gage is really interesting, deathmatch wrestler or not.

You’re making the case for it being interesting in general. Which it could be. But I watch the show for inside wrestling stories. I might check it out at some point but it’s in a queue with other stuff I might watch when in the mood for some general schadenfreude.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I'm not a huge Death Match fan either. I can take it in small doses. Like 1 match. Not a tournament full. But Nick Gage is an interesting dude.

[#1-norm-fan]

I did hear about Moxley’s quote about how he’d always wear a mask to the ring and then he decided to rob a bank without one. Which made me laugh.

[GD]

Watching the Brian Pillman episode and boy am I ticked off by Melanie Pillman.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Pillman episodes were incredible. I cannot for the life of me understand why Kim Wood never got involved in the business as a manager. That guy was so captivating.

The Nick Gage episode was interesting but made me feel sad. I don’t see that guy’s story ending well.

[Seanny One Ball]

He'll die of a good overdose, not a bad one.

[Seanny One Ball]

You're way oversimplifying it


Yeah I know, there's even a name for what I'm doing.
It's Latin!

[Bad News Gertner]

Savio Vega

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The Gage episode was ok. Didn’t know his match with Arquette went off the rails the way that it did. His story was ok but I feel like it would’ve been better had they also told his brother’s story.

[hb2k]

The Pillman episodes were incredible. I cannot for the life of me understand why Kim Wood never got involved in the business as a manager. That guy was so captivating.

Because as he once told me, "Wrestling isn't the place for smart people."

[Bad News Gertner]

Can't wait for the XPW Dark Side of the Ring!

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

Now that’s how you do a ring explosion

[Jordan]

Korea episode was a bit lackluster. It's not my favorite.

[erickman]

Korea episode was a bit lackluster. It's not my favorite.

i was hoping it would be good well i will still watch it.

[Jordan]

Yeah it's worth watching don't let me deter you. Just felt like they didn't have enough content for this particular story to fill the hour with a great cohesive story.

[Bad News Gertner]

Gonna catch it this weekend. I wasn't looking that forward to this one.

[Seanny One Ball]

Getting a whole episode out of Korea and nothing on Chris Adams yet...
I can only imagine Gertner's disappointment.

Chris Adams was killed by a guy called Boo Ray or "Booray" depending on the source.
The podcasts I have heard about him have all been glorious.

Check out Crime In Sports for Chris Adams stuff. It is comprehensive.

[Seanny One Ball]

Scott Norton lost a chunk of my respect there for basically saying "2 Cold Scorpio whooped Hawk's ass but if Hawk wasn't such a junkie he would have won".

Yeah well he was a junkie mate and he didn't win so shut your fat fucking face.

[Seanny One Ball]

Scott Norton now preaching about Ali as if he didn't just defend a racist lol.

Ugh his head is just a lump.

[Seanny One Ball]

2 Cold Scorpio was the D-Lo of WCW wasn't he...

Just beating up badasses on the daily.

[weather vane]

You have a weird view.

[#1-norm-fan]

Korea episode was a bit lackluster. It's not my favorite.

I heard Bischoff talk about the trip on his podcast a few months back and it sounded pretty insane. And I don’t find Bischoff to be a very interesting speaker so I was looking forward to hearing other people who experienced it talk about it.

[Evil Vito]

lol @ Bischoff counting forced attendance as being a drawn crowd

[weather vane]

He did it tongue in cheek though.

[erickman]

i thought that was a good ep. it was funny all the hot heads went the stieners scot norton too cold scorpen and chris benoit. an chris was the voice of reason.

[Fignuts]

Sonny Ono dressed like a metrosexual Yakuza boss. Amazing.

[Fignuts]

This episode was incredibly fascinating to me, but that's probably because I've never read anything about this show beyond the purported attendance numbers. So it's all fresh to me.

[Fignuts]

Young boy Nagata sighting.

[Emperor Smeat]

Got around to watching the Collision in Korea episode and it was all right. Would put it more in the mid to low tier for episodes in series history.

Laughed at how everyone was saying how bad of a time they had in North Korea and Muhammad Ali just abruptly decides to jog up a flight of stairs and shadow box while visiting a sacred site and nothing bad happened to him.

2 Cold Scorpio and Hawk having legit brawls in North Korea was the best part about the episode, especially Scorpio's chopstick story.

[Emperor Smeat]

Only regret about the episode is they really should have gotten Ric Flair for it.

It would have been great hearing his tales about his time in North Korea considering he's a very eccentric wrestler and personality while North Korea looks down on that type of stuff and is very rigid for daily life.

[xrodmuc316]

I liked how Chris Benoit was all "hey you shouldn't murder people".

Well played Crippler, well played

[xrodmuc316]

This episode was incredibly fascinating to me, but that's probably because I've never read anything about this show beyond the purported attendance numbers. So it's all fresh to me.

Bischoff wrote about it in his book, but that's really the only other accounting of it that I can recall.

[Fignuts]

Only regret about the episode is they really should have gotten Ric Flair for it.

It would have been great hearing his tales about his time in North Korea considering he's a very eccentric wrestler and personality while North Korea looks down on that type of stuff and is very rigid for daily life.

Yeah, I wonder why they couldn't get flair.

[Fignuts]

I liked how Chris Benoit was all "hey you shouldn't murder people".

Well played Crippler, well played

lol I didn't even think about that.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah, I wonder why they couldn't get flair.

No hair, no Flair

[drave]

Does Flair have hair down there?

[Seanny One Ball]

Ask Schiavone

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Jordan]

They nailed it with Warrior. I loved it. Can't wait for the extended version and the podcast review with Conrad. They told the truth (so far as I've heard it before) and yes buried him (he buried himself) and then at the end the sentiment really got to me. When Warrior died it was shocking and prophetic in a way. As big of a dick as he was, I still really cared for him especially when he seemed to change before he died. I ended up getting into weight lifting from his last promo and gained like 30lbs of muscle. I would pump his music at the gym and channel that Warrior spirit.

[Bad News Gertner]

Can't wait to watch it

[erickman]

so jake the snake was in line to get the belt, still confused if vince had plans for jake to get the belt, he could have got it after warrior was fired.

[Bad News Gertner]

I haven't seen it yet but I find that hard to believe.

Also, I've read reports that the A&E Warrior doc was harsher than the DSOTR one.

Gonna watch it tomorrow.

[Jordan]

The A&E doc wasn't harsh it was definitely the opposite of The Self Destruction DVD. Still worth watching though. I enjoyed both. Darkside is much more what I understand is the truth of people's experiences in working with Warrior.

Talking about Jake, clearly that's the truth he knows but it doesn't make a lot of sense. We're talking 91' right? Warrior holds up SummerSlam, Hogan is the champ, it doesn't make sense that the Jake/Warrior program would be for the title. I think that Jake is probably confused and was high.

[erickman]

yeah that's what i was thinking, more then warrior kept jake from the title. vince might have used as an excuse.

[Seanny One Ball]

He’s not confused, he’s a compulsive liar.

[xrodmuc316]

The A&E doc wasn't harsh it was definitely the opposite of The Self Destruction DVD. Still worth watching though. I enjoyed both. Darkside is much more what I understand is the truth of people's experiences in working with Warrior.

Talking about Jake, clearly that's the truth he knows but it doesn't make a lot of sense. We're talking 91' right? Warrior holds up SummerSlam, Hogan is the champ, it doesn't make sense that the Jake/Warrior program would be for the title. I think that Jake is probably confused and was high.

Yeah Jake is confused, none of that matches up.

Warrior was champ in 1990, and Jake was still a face in 1990. He wrestled Bad News Allen at Summerslam 1990.

Jake turned heel right before Summerslam by aligning with Undertaker, so they were slated to work together, but it wasn't going to be for the title. Jake probably just acting like he was gonna be champ to make himself seem more important.

A&E doc was my much better, and documented the controversies much better in my opinion.

Also, Jim Ross has the be the most bitter asshole in all of wrestling. He also is full of shit, seeing as how JR and Warrior were only in the WWE for like 4 months.

[Emperor Smeat]

Currently watching the Warrior episode and the first half has been okay.

The thing that popped out the most so far is Warrior sort of gaining creative control in WWF after he beat Hogan for the belt assuming that part of the tale by Jake Roberts is true.

I knew Hogan had it back in the day but didn't know anyone else had it as well in WWF prior to HBK and the Kliq's rise.

[Fignuts]

Would love tosee an episode on the kliq and how much damage they did to the booking of promotions they worked for. Not to mention the soma comas.

[Bad News Gertner]

Grizzly Smith next week. That's gonna be a rough watch.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, Jake didn't end up the way he did for no reason.

[Seanny One Ball]

Would be great if Bill Watts was on the Grizz episode

[Seanny One Ball]

Money talks

[Seanny One Ball]

Just watched the Warrior episode.
One of the finest episodes they have ever done. I was moved.

I really didn't think they could get much more out of the topic between the documentaries and podcasts but that put everything together very nicely.

Warrior's ex wife had a lot of great stuff to say, also still pretty hot.

[weather vane]

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[GD]

Collision in Korea was interesting but the Warrior episode is something else.

[Seanny One Ball]

Queering in Korea next week, can't wait!

[Bad News Gertner]

Finished the Ultimate Warrior DSOTR

It was ok.

[GD]

Considering watching the A&E doc. Have heard nice things about it too.

[Bad News Gertner]

I would say the Warrior episode has been the worst this season.

[Seanny One Ball]

Don't get your Nickers Gage in a twist mate, just because WARRIOR was a REAL wrestler.

Nick Gage couldn't even break Bobby Heenan's neck if he dug his vertebrae up and took a sledgehammer to them.

[Seanny One Ball]

And his missus looked like a hispanic Steve Urkel

[Bad News Gertner]

It was the same old story that's been told a billion times

Nick Fucking Gage. MDK.

[Seanny One Ball]

When was the last time you saw anyone win with a leaping shoulder tackle though?

Nick Gage couldn't beat his wife with that, but WARRIOR did it for shots and giggles.

[Bad News Gertner]

When was the last time Warrior kicked out of being thrown through a pile of light tubes.

[Seanny One Ball]

How about a closet full of unsold comic books?

[M-A-G]

What little respect I had left for Jake Roberts flew out the window with him deciding not to beat the shit out of Warrior.

[Bad News Gertner]

I wonder if you could get a full interesting hour out of The Renegade. It's a sad sorry

[erickman]

wonder if they will do the jake roberts one next season

[Jordan]

I enjoyed the Foley A&E doc a lot. They really captured his giving spirit and the overview of his early days was apt and fun to revisit. He should probably get a podcast with Conrad.

[Seanny One Ball]

I wonder if you could get a full interesting hour out of The Renegade. It's a sad sorry


That would require real journalism

[Seanny One Ball]

What little respect I had left for Jake Roberts flew out the window with him deciding not to beat the shit out of Warrior.


Jake could hit Warrior with a truck and somehow only get hurt himself.

Don’t ever put your faith in Jake Roberts...

[Jordan]

In The Shadow of Grizzly Smith was really good. As good as a story like that can be. It's fucked up. Jake is such a tortured soul, yet we are so lucky to have had him in wrestling and now still alive and sober to tell his stories. Nobody like Jake. Sam Houston came off like a really good guy and Rockin Robin was a great storyteller too. The older brother Richard (I think) also carried a lot of pain with him from this story. How could they not, it's their lives, so fucked up. Crazy that Grizzly had such a high position in WCW with all this circling in his background. Glad they used that footage of Grizzly and Jake from Beyond The Mat, that always stuck with me.

This season of Darkside has probably been my favorite so far. Next week, Tom Billington. Man I hope they get renewed for a season 4. I don't know what stories they can tell at this point but I'm sure they are out there. Chris Adams, Chyna, Luger/Liz, Eddie Guerrero, WWE/Saudi Arabia, WWF Ring boy scandal, Scott Hall, Hogan... I mean there are a ton more stories out there. They may not be as focused as Grizzly, Korea, or have ended like Pillman, but there are plenty more to tell.

[Jordan]

And I think Grizzly had something to do with his daughters disappearance based on what was said in that episode.

[erickman]

that could have been a 2 part ep. they could do just jake the snake pt 2 next season.

[Jordan]

Yeah they should give Jake his own episode.

[Jordan]

Hero's of Wrestling PPV would probably be suitable as well. Also I think the death of WCW and ECW could be suitable.

[Seanny One Ball]

The whole Roberts/Smith family should just be completely erased from wrestling history.
Jake especially.

Don’t think for a second that he wasn’t every bit the sick fuck his old man was.
They just need to lift up more of the rug.

[Seanny One Ball]

Hero's of Wrestling PPV would probably be suitable as well. Also I think the death of WCW and ECW could be suitable.


lol, if they even thought about touching them the show would be over.
There’s nothing dark about any of those things, they would have to go on a sister show called “The Predictable Side Of The Ring”.

[Seanny One Ball]

Watched the Grizzly episode there.

Lots of allegations from the family. None from anybody else.
The wrestling community closed ranks on this one, noticeable.

The credibility of the Smith family has never been more questionable.

[Seanny One Ball]

Free Grizzly Smith

[erickman]

Watched the Grizzly episode there.

Lots of allegations from the family. None from anybody else.
The wrestling community closed ranks on this one, noticeable.

The credibility of the Smith family has never been more questionable.

that's the funny thing where were the old wrestlers talking about working with smith. cornett was the only one there, where was jr let's get what he has to say. i think smith fooled most of them and they don't want look bad now.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think they didn’t care and a lot more sordid shit happened than is being admitted to.
I think the Smiths are escaping a lot of blame for being scum themselves by showing their dad up as a scumbag now.

The Snake eats itself.

Ouroboros.

[M-A-G]

Interesting how the one sibling, Richard Smith, that didn't get into wrestling managed to not fuck things up for himself. Crazy, right?

[Bad News Gertner]

Dynamite Kid should be really cool next week. They really could have done a combined British Bulldogs episode and made it two hours. There's lots of stuff to cover on Davey Boy as well. Remember how fucking awful he looked at the end of his WCW run, even before his spinal infection. The last high blood pressure skin color and ridiculously bloated. Here's his last WCW match.

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[Bad News Gertner]

Compare that to this picture from under a year prior. Just look at his face

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ImJ2TUEhZ1i_XfDYxSEuRiDrSCbTVnbQIDpFXc0HFa9nBOpjbenQA4gw3srRyWUdRqN0g1EfDqPnqKnLhfSy6WJ-xByKIEnI6GKBqJo-IMCyMgzlRlnk30jnWRo0cyvadegoEwEZ35cbRNHXPrrMrPQrxQ

[Seanny One Ball]

Under a year ago?

[Seanny One Ball]

Interesting how the one sibling, Richard Smith, that didn't get into wrestling managed to not fuck things up for himself. Crazy, right?


He was the only one who cried about his dad dying.

Must be confusing loving a monster.

[Jordan]

Dynamite Kid should be really cool next week. They really could have done a combined British Bulldogs episode and made it two hours. There's lots of stuff to cover on Davey Boy as well. Remember how fucking awful he looked at the end of his WCW run, even before his spinal infection. The last high blood pressure skin color and ridiculously bloated. Here's his last WCW match.

58qlDISdt0Y

Separately from that thought. Mike Tenay is the biggest nerd announcer ever. I can't stand him or take him seriously. Especially in TNA. WCW he was okay but still a huge mark nerd, but I think he's the most overrated announcer I can think of. Nerd ass.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've been watching all those 1998 WCW Saturday Night matches with Scott Hudson and Tenay on commentary. Tenay repeats the same points about the same wrestlers every match..

Did you know that you shouldn't judge Silver King by his physique because he can fly with the best of them. Well Mike will remind you every single match.

I'm pretty indifferent towards Tenay.

[Fignuts]

Watched the Grizzly episode there.

Lots of allegations from the family. None from anybody else.
The wrestling community closed ranks on this one, noticeable.

The credibility of the Smith family has never been more questionable.

Probably because a lot of them likely got with underage ring rats. Maybe not as young as Grizzley Smith liked them, but still.

[Seanny One Ball]

True love will overcome all odds

[Seanny One Ball]

Jimmy Page kidnapped a 14 year old and kept her for two years before giving her back to her parents.
She says it was great.

[xrodmuc316]

My buddy is in the military and one of the things they had him do was be present at wrestling shows at the VFW/Armories. Jake Roberts was at one of those shows around 2005 and his pay was $100 cash, a hotel room, and $500 in cocaine. So like 80% of his booking fee was coke. Only in pro wrestling lol

[erickman]

My buddy is in the military and one of the things they had him do was be present at wrestling shows at the VFW/Armories. Jake Roberts was at one of those shows around 2005 and his pay was $100 cash, a hotel room, and $500 in cocaine. So like 80% of his booking fee was coke. Only in pro wrestling lol

wrestling porn and rock & roll all paid in ether money or drugs

[erickman]

talking about porn and wrestling, i am at twitch watching allysan kay and marty bell pool twitch. next season i want twitch girls on wrestling

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Dynamite Kid should be really cool next week. They really could have done a combined British Bulldogs episode and made it two hours. There's lots of stuff to cover on Davey Boy as well. Remember how fucking awful he looked at the end of his WCW run, even before his spinal infection. The last high blood pressure skin color and ridiculously bloated. Here's his last WCW match.

58qlDISdt0Y

Jesus Christ at his face. He looks blown up walking down the ramp.

[owenbrown]

Dynamite Kid should be really cool next week. They really could have done a combined British Bulldogs episode and made it two hours. There's lots of stuff to cover on Davey Boy as well. Remember how fucking awful he looked at the end of his WCW run, even before his spinal infection. The last high blood pressure skin color and ridiculously bloated. Here's his last WCW match.

58qlDISdt0Y

Aside from this, I really wish that Alex Wright could have had maybe more of a midcard run in WCW and even in WWE.

[Jordan]

Alex Wright was awesome. That stupid Berlin gimmick really buried him. He should have gone to NJPW after WCW. WWE would have made him a fuck boy jobber.

[Bad News Gertner]

I remember he had his first PPV match at Fall Brawl against Duggan where Duggan no sold all his offense. He next faced Brad Arnstrong who hadn't been relevant in years and friggen lost lol!

[Bad News Gertner]

Alex Wright is only 2 years older than AJ Styles

[Jordan]

Man I'm sad that we have a Darkside break for the summer. I can't wait for the next half of Season 3. That and confirmation of a season 4.

[erickman]

this was kind of a dud to brake on wish the smith ep was this week and kid was last week.

[Jordan]

I liked Dynamite, I wish they had an extra hour. I love Foley talking wrestling. Foley is God.

[Bad News Gertner]

I totally forgot this was on last night. How was it compared to this years episodes.

[Jordan]

I think it was a good look at The Darkside of Dynamite. Could've been longer yes, but I enjoyed it a lot. Probably my favorite telling of the Jacques story. The abuse stuff was covered well with a lot of raw emotion. I would have enjoyed more about the glory days but it's not the Happy Side of the Ring.

Compared to this seasons eps it's among the best I'd say. I maintain that Collision in Korea was probably the least compelling for me. I think I enjoyed this more than Pillman's epsiode. I really liked Spivey, Foley and Lance Storm. Foley is just the best storyteller.

[Savio]

For what ever reason I was a big fan of Bulldog in his 2000 run for the WWF

[Bad News Gertner]

Much more enjoyable than that WCW he and Neidhart had in 98

[Seanny One Ball]

Rock Bottom in the dog poop!

[Seanny One Ball]

Dynamite episode was okay I suppose. There is literally nothing new in it and his ex wife and daughters were a fucking drag, also I was wrong about Mick Foley’s clothesline. They showed it at 12 minutes, not 5.
Still, the whole show consisted of about three stories, the clothesline, the Rougeaus and the shotgun wife incident.

The only really great thing about it was seeing Jacques Rougeau bullshit his way through it like he was having the best time since breakfast.
Man does he seem like a fun guy with a real zest for life.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Jacques is great. Such a carny.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I was unaware of most of the stories shot Dynamite going into to this episode so I found it all very interesting and extremely saddening.

[Seanny One Ball]

So you only knew the Rougeau story?

I mean they really didn’t go into detail on anything besides the three main things I mentioned and those are all in Foley and Bret’s first books. I’m pretty sure Dynamite mentions it in his own book.

His book is pretty short and very angry but not a patch on Bob Holly or Ole Anderson’s books which were just loose wrestling stories held together with decades old rage.

[xrodmuc316]

So you only knew the Rougeau story?

I mean they really didn’t go into detail on anything besides the three main things I mentioned and those are all in Foley and Bret’s first books. I’m pretty sure Dynamite mentions it in his own book.

His book is pretty short and very angry but not a patch on Bob Holly or Ole Anderson’s books which were just loose wrestling stories held together with decades old rage.

I could be remembering it wrong, but I feel like everybody knew Billings was a bad dude way before the Benoit murders. The episode almost made it seem like everything came to light in the aftermath of Benoit.

It is a few weeks from being 14 years ago, so I might just be remembering the timeline incorrectly.

[Jordan]

I think Meltzer had reported on drama with Dynamite before the Benoit murders.

[erickman]

ole anderson would be a good darkside of the ring

[Bad News Gertner]

Watching the Grizzly Smith one. I love that Sam Houston says that Robin was one of the greatest women's Champs of all time and they kinda play up her greatness


She was fucking awful. AWFUL. One of the worst I've ever seen.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Haha I didn’t bother to actually check how good she was off at all. But I trust you, Gerty.

[Bad News Gertner]

She was so bad. Poor Sherri Martel had to wrestle her night after night. The worst Women's champ of the Era and that includes Moolah

Her and Judy Martin wrestled at the 89 Royal Rumble and it was fucking awful. And Judy Martin is my favourite Women's wrestler

[Seanny One Ball]

ole anderson would be a good darkside of the ring


There should be a sugar hold episode. Al Snow describes the Anderson training regime for greenhorns and its a nightmare.
I think everybody should read Ole’s book. He’s the most unrepentantly miserable cunt in wrestling and his book lives up to it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I really gotta order that one. There's so many great wrestling books that I still want to read. I still haven't read Bret's. I think that might be my next purchase

Gonna watch the Dynamite Kid one tonight.

[Seanny One Ball]

Ole’s book is a top top wrestling book.
I forget which territory he ruined, it may have been Georgia, but he tells it like it is.
He also talks about making a lot of money through lumber.
I wish I still had that book.

Pretty sure he has a whole chapter on sugaring rookies.

[Loose Cannon]

I really liked Dynamites and it was by 2nd favorite behind Pillman's. I hadn't seen the Nick Gage one, but this season has been decent. I have seen enough Warrior documentaries already so that was nothing new. Collision in Korea was really interesting as I have never heard that story before. I couldn't get through Grizzley Smith as it was way too depressing. I had known about all his BS beforehand and i still couldn't get through it. fuck that guy.

[Bad News Gertner]

Just finished the Dynamite one. Great episode.

I had no idea Bret's ex wife and Dynamite's ex were sisters


Also, Jacques Rougeau is a treasure.

[Bad News Gertner]

And Dymanite's daughters are gorgeous

[Loose Cannon]

Just finished the Dynamite one. Great episode.

I had no idea Bret's ex wife and Dynamite's ex were sisters


Also, Jacques Rougeau is a treasure.

Right ? I never knew that either ! Crazy that I never heard this

And then I was pissed they didn’t bring him in during 97 to side with the Harts since he was technically a brother in law

[Bad News Gertner]

Meltzer is right. Dynamite Kid doesn't get enough credit and because his career ended so long ago he's becoming one of these guys lost to time.

Dynamite Kid is one of those guys who would do something almost every match that would leave you in awe.

The crowd reaction to Tiger Mask vs Kid at MSG 1982 is so great. They initially don't know what to make of it, but come out of their seats at the end. It's the greatest example of that.

[ozzman6669]

Just rewatched Grizzly Smith episode and I noticed one thing, in beyond the mat Jake said that Grizzly was is father AND grandfather and that he was the product of incest but nothing of this was talked about in DSOTR, was it all bullshit or they just didn't want to go there ???

[xrodmuc316]

Just rewatched Grizzly Smith episode and I noticed one thing, in beyond the mat Jake said that Grizzly was is father AND grandfather and that he was the product of incest but nothing of this was talked about in DSOTR, was it all bullshit or they just didn't want to go there ???

I think he was over simplifying that. In the sense that Grizzly was with his grandmother, although I dont think he was ever married to her, and raped what would have been his step daughter had he been married to the grandmother. The one he raped is who then became his wife.

[ozzman6669]

I think he was over simplifying that. In the sense that Grizzly was with his grandmother, although I dont think he was ever married to her, and raped what would have been his step daughter had he been married to the grandmother. The one he raped is who then became his wife.

Oh damn, I didn't understood it this way, thanks for the clarification !

[Seanny One Ball]

I had no idea Bret's ex wife and Dynamite's ex were sisters




You definitely did and just forgot it.
Bret and Dynamite both mention it in their books.

[Bad News Gertner]

I haven't read either so no I didn't.

[Bad News Gertner]

Podcasts have more or less killed my wrestling book reading.

[Jordan]

You were right about Arn's podcast. Amazing stuff for territory fans. Also I'm loving Jarrett's deep dive on the creation of TNA. Also been enjoying Jr's podcast too, he's got a lot to say about almost everything he has been apart of.

[Seanny One Ball]

I haven't read either so no I didn't.



Lazy cunt

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol that I am

[Bad News Gertner]

New season starts in a couple days. The line up looks pretty great. Leading off with the Plane Ride From Hell

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Fuck yes

[Seanny One Ball]

The Johnny K9 episode man, I’m telling you it is going to be one of the best ones ever.

[xrodmuc316]

New season starts in a couple days. The line up looks pretty great. Leading off with the Plane Ride From Hell

I wonder how deep they will go seeing as this was taped while Flair was still employed by WWE. I cant see them passing up burying WWE when they have the chance.

[Bad News Gertner]

There shouldn't be any shortage of guys willing to talk. Jim Ross, Sean Waltman, Justin Credible, Dustin Rhodes have all spoken at length about this. I don't imagine this will be a groundbreaking episode. Kind of a light episode like Brawl 4 All. Kurt Angle would be a very cool get.

[Jordan]

It's a good epsiode. Pretty fucked up and doesn't make anyone especially Flair and Hall look good.

[weather vane]

Anybody got a link? Don’t get it in Canada til tomorrow.

[weather vane]

Nm Crave has it now.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't be too surprised if AEW doesn't end up inking Flair to a deal after this episode aired.

[Evil Vito]

Tommy Dreamer doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on sexual assault being a joke. Wow.

[Triple A]

smh YouTube TV doesn't have Vice TV so have to torrent them a couple of days later... any online streaming links? rep me...

[weather vane]

Ooooof Tommy Dreamer looks bad in this.

[Bad News Gertner]

Alot of people look bad in this.

Good to see Justin Crddible looking healthy

[Triple A]

oh nice they're streaming this episode for free without a subscription wall

https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/the-plane-ride-from-hell/6138c78f13a9291f9a5c8118

[slik]

watching right now

[weather vane]

Good episode. Although I think they are all great sooo

[slik]

Good episode

[ron the dial]

oof tommy dreamer

[slik]

The decision to focus on Heidi Doyle was brilliant - I'd never really thought about the plane ride from hell from the p.o.v. of the crew before - but it really is her story, she's the protagonist of it all.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’m 15 minutes in man and this is insane the shit these guys are admitting to. Christ.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Tommy Dreamer is absolutely full of shit about Flair. I in no way believe that Flair wouldn’t force himself on a woman. No shot. If Dreamer was gonna lie, he should’ve just said he never knew Flair to be the type. Or not comment on it at all.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah Tommy Dreamer can go fuck himself. He might’ve come off the worst in all of this.

[Triple A]

I wouldn't be too surprised if AEW doesn't end up inking Flair to a deal after this episode aired.

Yeah... feels hard to imagine them signing him and putting him on TV, at least not imminently...

They seem to react strongly to any backlash about this type of stuff and they would def get a lot of backlash if Flair is signed any time soon...

[Evil Vito]

Tommy Dreamer a couple years ago admitted that he wanted to burst into WM17, shoot Paul Heyman and then do his pose and shoot himself in the head. And that murder-suicide would be a great “angle” for him to end on.

Suppose it’s not a surprise he’s a complete moron.

[fundiddle]

he tried to save it with the double ponytail joke but the damage had already been done. sorry, tommy (not sorry)


did jr and vince get h-bombed on this shit as well? seems more of the story remains untold

[Jordan]

I agree Dreamer also came off really bad. I was surprised they even aired some of the comments he had in defense of Flair.

[erickman]

Tommy Dreamer doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on sexual assault being a joke. Wow.

guess we won't see him on impact anymore, what was he thinking?

[erickman]

Alot of people look bad in this.

Good to see Justin Crddible looking healthy

he looked the best in the ep maybe rvd did not look to bad. vince even looked bad for not going back there.

[James Steele]

Interesting episode on a story we all pretty much know about.

[Maluco]

I think a side angle on the episode is the light it shines on the drug/pill use at the time. It seems like Vince just washed his hands of it. I know that we always knew that, but it’s a physical representation of that now. Just letting the “boys” go absolutely crazy. He could have stopped the drinks coming, he could have had them return to the terminal if it’s a private plane. He could have gone back there, but he didn’t.

Instead of getting Hennig the help he obviously needed, he is fired and dies not long after. Instead of trying to help Hall, they fire him and it’s just by the grace of God that he is still here.

Obviously addiction is something personal and it can be very difficult to help people, but there guys are abusing drunk and drugs and mixing potentially lethal cocktails meters away from where you are sitting. There had to be some sense of responsibility by the company when it’s being done on their time.

[drave]

There had to be some sense of responsibility by the company when it’s being done on their time.


When you have "fuck you, go away" money - nothing matters anymore.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

he tried to save it with the double ponytail joke but the damage had already been done. sorry, tommy (not sorry)


did jr and vince get h-bombed on this shit as well? seems more of the story remains untold

I took the ponytail joke as a jab at cancel culture. I could be wrong but his tone came off to me more sarcastic and annoyed then trying to sound funny.

[slik]

I wonder if they'll ever do an Ashley Massarro episode. Her affidavit about being drugged so she was paralyzed but conscious while being repeatedly raped/sodomized is pretty disturbing stuff.

Vince then telling her she basically needed to 'stand up for wwe' and not sell that it happened.

[Bad News Gertner]

They didn't mention the Kurt Angle vs Vince wrestling match.

[Triple A]

From Fightful:

IMPACT staff is told Tommy Dreamer not at IMPACT tapings

Fightful has learned that at a production meeting today, staff was informed that Tommy Dreamer would not be at this weekend's Nashville tapings. Dreamer appeared on last night's Dark Side of The Ring, where he recounted the events of the Plane Ride From Hell, brushing off Ric Flair's behavior during the event, and saying it was simply a "joke," among other things. We were not told of his role going forward and how it is affected.

[erickman]

From Fightful:

yeah i knew his time at impact was over half there roster are women and most of the male wrestlers are dating or married to other wrestlers. dreamer might as well retire.