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08-06-2005, 06:33 AM

Marlin Jackson looks great.

road doggy dogg

08-06-2005, 09:31 AM

Nobody cares about preseason

road doggy dogg

08-06-2005, 09:31 AM

Also, are you gonna be annoying like BCWWF/Yash and think that posting like every 3 minutes about your shitty team is gonna make people care about it

AlphaBean

08-06-2005, 12:24 PM

If he doesn't stop, just ban him. I don't want to have to sift through three pages of his slop.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-06-2005, 12:27 PM

lol Manning with a 2 yard touchdown pass. 2 yards away and instead of handing it off he calls a pass play. He even likes boosting his stats in the preseason

Supreme Olajuwon

08-06-2005, 12:36 PM

Colts can't get the W. What else is new?

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-06-2005, 12:46 PM

Edge was the only running back to hit double digits in yards for the Colts, how is that even possible

Supreme Olajuwon

08-06-2005, 12:49 PM

I wonder what would have happened if Peyton went to Texas Tech instead of Tennessee for college. He might've passed for 8000 yards.

08-06-2005, 03:26 PM

Also, are you gonna be annoying like BCWWF/Yash and think that posting like every 3 minutes about your shitty team is gonna make people care about it

Yes.

08-06-2005, 03:34 PM

If he doesn't stop, just ban him. I don't want to have to sift through three pages of his slop.

Oh seriously. Stop being a whiney bitch. I make 4 posts about my teams opening preseason game and how they look and your vagina sprouts a leak. Its a preview thread .

Why is it that everyone in here wants to start some shit if someone just wants to talk football. Almost all of you do nothing but take shots at me or my team or Manning every time i post something. You act like i dont know what i'm talking about when it comes to football and i'm some complete moron. Thats cool. Thats your opinions, but what the fuck is up with people getting bent out of shape if i make 4 posts about my teams opening preseason game? I'm just trying to talk football.

AlphaBean

08-06-2005, 05:16 PM

Oh seriously. Stop being a whiney bitch. I make 4 posts about my teams opening preseason game and how they look and your vagina sprouts a leak. Its a preview thread .

Why is it that everyone in here wants to start some shit if someone just wants to talk football. Almost all of you do nothing but take shots at me or my team or Manning every time i post something. You act like i dont know what i'm talking about when it comes to football and i'm some complete moron. Thats cool. Thats your opinions, but what the fuck is up with people getting bent out of shape if i make 4 posts about my teams opening preseason game? I'm just trying to talk football.

I didn't ask for your life story.

AlphaBean

08-06-2005, 05:17 PM

OMG Manning puts his helmet on!

AlphaBean

08-06-2005, 05:17 PM

Oh snap! That's the sound the chin strap makes as Manning fastens his helmet to his head via a chin strap!

AlphaBean

08-06-2005, 05:18 PM

CAN YOU BELIEVE!?!? MANNING WALKS ONTO THE FIELD :eek:

The Outlaw

08-06-2005, 05:41 PM

lol

BCWWF

08-06-2005, 10:19 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp05/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2123316&num=2

If Clayton says it, its true

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-07-2005, 01:11 AM

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/NYJW605080615_lower.jpg

08-07-2005, 03:39 AM

I didn't ask for your life story.

I dont get it?

What team do you root for Bean?

08-07-2005, 03:40 AM

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/NYJW605080615_lower.jpg

Shockey is great. I imagine Shockey just rolling up inbetween the stretch line like " Do something !" Then proceeding to fight the whole Jets team . I love Shockey.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-07-2005, 03:01 PM

Vilma jumped on top of him and fucked him up

So much for guys from 'the U' sticking together

Gonzo

08-07-2005, 03:30 PM

The Jets are a bunch of gang banging little bitches. :cool: Look, they fight like little bitches, two on one and the like. :p

Gonzo

08-07-2005, 03:32 PM

"During a 9-on-7 drill, TE Jeremy Shockey was hit from behind by Jets DB Oliver Celestin. LB Jonathan Vilma, a fellow University of Miami alum, then grabbed Shockey from behind as S Erik Coleman jumped into the fray." Hit from behind, grabbed from behind and they still couldn't take him down so they had to make it a 3 on 1.

Nervous Ferret

08-07-2005, 03:43 PM

lol I dunno, if Shockey started dancing after catching a pass on the 40 yard line during a training camp practice I might want to jump him too.

dunno, no big deal

Gonzo

08-07-2005, 03:51 PM

NerF did you go to the practice? I was hoping to get down there but never made it.

Nervous Ferret

08-07-2005, 03:56 PM

no, just never really materialialized. Would love to go.

Gonzo

08-07-2005, 04:02 PM

Where do you live? I'm only 45 minutes, half hour really if I'm determined so its not all that much of a stretch for me.

Nervous Ferret

08-07-2005, 04:05 PM

Toms River NJ. About 1 hour 15 minutes from Giants stadium. No clue how far to Hofstra tho.

Nervous Ferret

08-07-2005, 04:06 PM

no traffic I can make it in an hour

BCWWF

08-07-2005, 05:38 PM

My brother goes to Hofstra.

What was the Shockey thing though, like it took three guys to tackle him or three guys attacked him because they were pissed?

Gonzo

08-07-2005, 07:02 PM

It was a little 3 on 1 fisticuffs action. I don't know the details, just heard it was a little tiff because the Jets defensive backs were practicing at a level the Giants don't practice at. Just like hitting receivers instead of touching them in place of a tackle in stuff. I happen to agree with that because not only is it my team, but it reduces the risk of injury greatly.

08-08-2005, 04:10 AM

I wouldnt say the " U " should stick together in a situation like that , but Vilma could have used better judgment and stayed out of it. He'll it was 2 on 1 and they still couldnt fuck with Shockey. Seriously. Shockey may be my favorite player not playing for the Colts. I love his attitude he brings. He's not afraid of no one. He's probaby the only white football player with a decent TD celebration. Shockey is just straight up the man.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-08-2005, 02:16 PM

Why? Because he flips out after he touches a pass at the 40 yard line? lol

Jets are about to sign Ty Law, damn, I was hoping he was going to stay out of the AFC East.

Supreme Olajuwon

08-08-2005, 02:22 PM

Shockey is so overrated. He's not a top 5 TE and he's not that good of a player. He's just a clown so he gets on tv.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-08-2005, 02:38 PM

BEN WATSON BABY

Nervous Ferret

08-08-2005, 06:19 PM

TY LAW wooooooooo

loopydate

08-08-2005, 06:52 PM

Damn. So much for my dream of Law signing with Detroit.

BCWWF

08-08-2005, 07:10 PM

Jerome Wiggins

el fregadero

08-09-2005, 01:34 AM

Why? Because he flips out after he touches a pass at the 40 yard line? lol
Precisely. Easily the most exciting TE in the NFL, even if he isn't necessarily the most talented.

AlphaBean

08-09-2005, 01:39 AM

Shockey is like Santa Claus. He's big, fat, and makes one appearance every year that reminds everyone why he's famous;
but the rest of the time he sits on the sidelines, eating gingerbread cookies.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-09-2005, 02:12 AM

That time when he caught that TD pass over Brian Dawkins head and started talking shit to him before he even hit the ground was good though. I'll give him that

08-09-2005, 04:02 AM

Shockey is like Santa Claus. He's big, fat, and makes one appearance every year that reminds everyone why he's famous;
but the rest of the time he sits on the sidelines, eating gingerbread cookies.

Shockey is in pretty good shape last time i checked.

08-09-2005, 04:04 AM

Shockey is so overrated. He's not a top 5 TE and he's not that good of a player. He's just a clown so he gets on tv.

He's not overrated. No one calls him a top 5 tight end. He's had injuries the past 2 season and he played with a rookie QB last season. He's every bit as talented as Todd Heap and Gonzales. If he stays healthy he will be the main target for Manning , because he's big and dependable. Sure he talks shit. Sure he says stupid things, but thats Shockey being Shockey. He's been like that since Hurricane days. Shockey will blow up this year. I think Eli might too.

08-09-2005, 04:04 AM

I honestly see the Giants contending this season.

AlphaBean

08-09-2005, 04:14 AM

Fuck, I don't want to hear RP's play by play of Giants games. :(

08-09-2005, 04:17 AM

J.P Losman is the second coming of Kenny Stabler.

Supreme Olajuwon

08-09-2005, 04:23 AM

No one calls him a top 5 tight end.
Wrong. People talked about him being a top 3 TE all the time. But clearly he isn't. Jason Witten is miles ahead of him and Shockey dreams of throwing blocks like Alge Crumpler.

08-09-2005, 04:29 AM

Jason Witten has one good year where he's pretty much they're only recieving threat and all of a sudden he's a top tight end? Witten isnt miles ahead of Shockey. The only reason he can be mentioned in the same breath as Shockey is because Shockey has been injured the last 2 years. When Shockey has been healthy in games, he's ripped secondary's apart. Oh yah he can block too. Alge Crumpler is a good blocker, but he's a tight end. He should be a good blocker.

AlphaBean

08-09-2005, 04:36 AM

How many good seasons has Shockey had, total?

08-09-2005, 04:37 AM

2 out of 3.

08-09-2005, 04:40 AM

2002 NY Giants 15gms 74 catches 894 yards 59.6 yrds/g 2 touchdowns

2004 NY Giants 15gms 61catches 666 yards 44.4yrds/g 6 touchdowns

Pretty good numbers . Especially since in 2004 he was playing injured and with a rookie QB.

AlphaBean

08-09-2005, 04:50 AM

K, and Witten has had 1 out of 2... and his good year was better than anything Shockey has done. More TDs than Shockey's best TD season, and more yards than any season of Shockey's.

We'll see how Witten does this year.

08-09-2005, 04:52 AM

He had 6 td's. Shockey had 6 td's.

AlphaBean

08-09-2005, 04:53 AM

I meant, same TDs, but he had more yards. And when Shockey had his most yards, Witten had more yards AND more TDs. See what I'm saying. Overall, Witten's season was better than any of Shockey's.

08-09-2005, 04:56 AM

08-09-2005, 04:57 AM

But you know who is REALLY GOOD. Probably Pro Bowl bound.

Dallas Clark ;)

AlphaBean

08-09-2005, 05:00 AM

I dont dispute that at all. I'm saying that Shockey battles injuries and missed 1 game and played with a rookie at qb. That stuff takes its toll on individual numbers. This season will be different. I think he's gunna rip it up.

Excuses.

Injuries? Better conditioning. Rookie QB? Meet cokehead, and 45 year old backup.

And Witten had to earn his numbers. He was never christened. Shockey was given his catches.

And then, as well, consider draft place. For a 1st-rounder, I'd say Shockey has been something of a disappointment. Good? Yes. Worth his attitude? Fuck no.

This season, we'll see. But then, Cowboys will dominate with a healthy Dallas, Witten, and MARION BARBER III running the ball.

08-09-2005, 05:01 AM

Hey fuck it. As long as the Colts win.

Crimson

08-09-2005, 02:02 PM

woohoo Cowboys...goin to their practice today :)

Supreme Olajuwon

08-09-2005, 02:07 PM

Inexperienced QB's usually help TE numbers because they are the safety valve. Look at Eric Johnson last year in San Fran.

The Outlaw

08-09-2005, 05:12 PM

J.P Losman is the second coming of Kenny Stabler.

No.

Gonzo

08-09-2005, 06:56 PM

I can't stand when people compare players by statistics only, there are plenty of other tangibles to include when you're measuring the value of a player. I'm not going to say Shockey is the best TE, or a top 5, 10 TE etc etc. I know there are guys better with certain aspects of the game and vice versa. I like Shockey and I think he fits well in New York. You don't have to like him, you don't have to think he is good, no one told you to do so.

BCWWF

08-09-2005, 08:07 PM

AlphaBean

08-09-2005, 10:00 PM

Marion Barber III is set up to fail in the NFL, running backs are a dime a dozen now and he's nothing special. One more year could have done him a lot of good, considering the records of Big 10 running backs in the NFL.

I would hardly call Shockey a first round dissapointment either, going into his fourth year he is better then the top tight end for probably 25 of the 30 teams.

He's not better than Antonio Gates, and when was HE drafted?

Anyway, Barber is a beast. You're a liar and I hope you die. He will follow in the footsteps of Telis Redmon and Thomas Tapeh.

08-10-2005, 03:46 AM

08-10-2005, 03:49 AM

He's not better than Antonio Gates, and when was HE drafted?

Anyway, Barber is a beast. You're a liar and I hope you die. He will follow in the footsteps of Telis Redmon and Thomas Tapeh.

BCWWF cleary said he was better then the top tight end for probably 25 of the 30 teams.

Gates , Gonzales , Crumpler are all better probably ( until this season ). No one has said Shockey is the best. Seriously Alphabean. Relax.

Mr. Monday Morning

08-10-2005, 11:18 AM

I'm not real familiar with the drafting process so maybe someone could answer this for me:

What happens if a draftee holds out and doesn't agree a deal with the club? Do they get left in limbo or what? I understand they want to secure the best deal they can but what happens if the club just refuse and there's a standoff?

FearedSanctity

08-10-2005, 03:33 PM

Then I think they re-enter the draft the next year. Or atleast that's what Eli Manning planned on doing if the Chargers kept him

Supreme Olajuwon

08-10-2005, 03:40 PM

I think the team can try to trade him or just let him rot on the bench. I don't really know.

I think the player might be able to go to a different league too.

The Miz

08-10-2005, 05:18 PM

LETS GO T.O. WHOA LETS GO T.O.

Gonzo

08-10-2005, 05:44 PM

I'm not sure if you meant that towards me or not, but i agree. I like Shockey. AlphaBean. I'm a diehard Giants fan and I can't justifiably say Shockey is the best TE in the league or even the best receiving or blocking TE etc etc. I think what he brings to the game is a lot different than that of a Tony G, Gates, Crumpler, Heap which is the ability to incite a fire in his team. That is why I like him and why I think he fits well in New York. He sparks the offense. Too bad he had to deal with injuries last year. I'm looking for him to do much better this year due to the fact we have the addition of Plaxico Burress, Toomer playing the Z and Barber at RB. The only unknown is Eli Manning, if he comes into his own I'm hoping for at least an 8-8 season to build upon. Thats as high as I think we'll go though.

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 05:58 PM

BCWWF cleary said he was better then the top tight end for probably 25 of the 30 teams.

Gates , Gonzales , Crumpler are all better probably ( until this season ). No one has said Shockey is the best. Seriously Alphabean. Relax.

*takes a deep breath*

*exhales*

Thank you. As you can tell by my posts, I was literally going off the deep end with rage over Jeremy Shockey.

You are a life saver. :wiggle:

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 05:59 PM

Then I think they re-enter the draft the next year. Or atleast that's what Eli Manning planned on doing if the Chargers kept him

Yeah. Bo Jackson did it. Was 1st pick overall by the Bucs, held out, then was picked way later by the Raiders.

God, don't you ever listen to Tony Bruno?!?!?!

Gonzo

08-10-2005, 06:55 PM

T.O. is a piece of shit.

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 06:58 PM

Yes he is.

But at least he's better than Shockey.

MoRcHeEbA

08-10-2005, 07:00 PM

lol @ Owens... Eagles really need to get rid of him.

MoRcHeEbA

08-10-2005, 07:00 PM

trade him to the Vikings :shifty:

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 07:00 PM

For Kelly Campbell?

Gonzo

08-10-2005, 07:04 PM

Yes he is.

But at least he's better than Shockey.

Yeah no doubt he is a great player but other than that he is a piece of shit.

You really ought to give up trying to get under people's skin, it just isn't worth it. Not working too well either.

MoRcHeEbA

08-10-2005, 07:04 PM

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH imagine Kelly Campbell and Reggie Brown as your 1-2 threat. WATCH IT.

MoRcHeEbA

08-10-2005, 07:05 PM

:drool:

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 07:05 PM

Yeah no doubt he is a great player but other than that he is a piece of shit.

You really ought to give up trying to get under people's skin, it just isn't worth it. Not working too well either.

What the fuck?

I'm just posting, nigga. I don't know what you're doing.

I just want to get under MoRcHeEbA's skin. And by skin, I mean skirt.

MoRcHeEbA

08-10-2005, 07:06 PM

should trade him and Corey Simon to the Bills for Troy Vincent.

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 07:06 PM

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH imagine Kelly Campbell and Reggie Brown as your 1-2 threat. WATCH IT.

With a QB like McNabb, you could have Freddie Mitchell and Todd Pinkston as your #1/2, and still win a championship!

Er, wait...

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 07:07 PM

should trade him and Corey Simon to the Bills for Troy Vincent.

They need Winslow.

McLegend

08-10-2005, 07:24 PM

T.O. :nono:

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 07:47 PM

Hahahahahahaha I just heard the news.

Maybe Owens can sign with the Chiefs upon his release. :wave:

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 07:48 PM

Yeah no doubt he is a great player but other than that he is a piece of shit.

You really ought to give up trying to get under people's skin, it just isn't worth it. Not working too well either.

Snap, I forgot you were a Giants fan. I guess I don't need to do anything to get under your skin, but to sit back and watch the Eagles win the East every year.

FearedSanctity

08-10-2005, 08:41 PM

Maybe Owens can sign with the Chiefs upon his release. :wave:

Fuck no, Denver already has to put up with Moss/Porter in Oakland, we don't need Owens in the divison. AFC West is tough as it is...

BCWWF

08-10-2005, 08:45 PM

On ESPN they were mentioning Texas, because Parcells could kick TO's ass.

AlphaBean

08-10-2005, 08:50 PM

You mean like he kicked Antonio Bryant's ass?

How would he do it? Paying him big money? Suspending him? Not giving in to his demands?

Pretty sure that Owens has been around too long to be whipped into shape. He needed to be trained early, like a puppy. Or like MeShawn/Glenn/Lawrence Taylor, et al.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-11-2005, 03:23 AM

I think TO finally went "over the line" usually I don't find myself going "What a fucking idiot" to my tv when seeing some of the shit pro athletes pull. Today I did though when I heard about what he did at camp. So over the last 2 years or so. He has started a bunch of shit in San Fran. TO and Garica bottled after leading them to the playoffs and they been garage since. He got traded to the Ravens, talked a bunch of shit, got out of it. Had his way and was traded to the team he wanted to go too. Cries about his contract because he is top 5 when it comes to WR salaries but not THE top one. Blams the Superbowl loss on his McNabb and basically made it seem like it wasn't his fault, even though the team made it through the NFC playoffs without him.'

He is also an idiot for saying Tom Brady is overrated on Funk Master Flex's stupid car show :mad: haha

08-11-2005, 03:26 AM

Colts Training camp on NFL Network. Its really good stuff. Dungy is a heck of a coach.

08-11-2005, 03:31 AM

Edge is ripped. Man he's gunna be good this year. I seriously think he could get a 1,000 yards recieving and 1700 rushing this year with 19 total TD's. It could be a MVP year for Edge. He's playing with a purpous this year too. He's gunna be amazing.

LoDownM

08-11-2005, 03:35 AM

Maybe Owens can sign with the Chiefs upon his release. :wave:

Umm No. We are fine as it is :)

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-11-2005, 04:15 AM

1000 and 1700? Dude come on. Edge is good, but I don't think anyone in the NFL is that good.

08-11-2005, 05:01 AM

LT could put those numbers up. I'm just saying... Edge is gunna be amazing this year.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-11-2005, 05:10 AM

I know he got 1000 rec yrds but I didn't know he got 1700 on the ground? I thought it was a few hundred less than that.

08-11-2005, 05:26 AM

I said he could put those numbers up. I'm not sure how many rush yards he had last year. Something like 1500+

AlphaBean

08-11-2005, 08:33 AM

LT was the only player on a shitty team.

Edge is going to have to deal with a pass-happy audible-crazy hick who loves to spread the ball around. And three 1,000 yard receivers.

Good fuckin' luck with that, Edge. At least his body isn't taking too much wear.

BCWWF

08-12-2005, 09:17 PM

Well the first drive for the Vikings has been good. I thought Duante was throwing it away but then it was like a 20 yard throw.

Also, as I type Burleson just scored a touchdown. I was worried about him, but this opening drive shows good things for the Vikings offense. Then again it is the Chiefs.

Also, Bean I don't know if you're watching (I assume you are) but they are talking up Derrick Johnson again. I just have the feeling that Troy Williamson is a choke, he's got speed but does he have the hands? Johnson is going to be amazing, he's the guy I wanted.

AlphaBean

08-12-2005, 11:49 PM

For once I'll have faith in the Vikings front office, as opposed to Kevin McHale's lame ass. But I saw Ryan Hoag make an awesome catch. Maybe he'll make the team. :love:

BCWWF

08-12-2005, 11:59 PM

Was Hoag at your high school or a different one?

08-13-2005, 12:31 AM

Phillip Rivers should get traded to the Bears for 1st round draft pick and 3rd round next season. Chargers would probably be assured a top 10 pick since it is the Bears.

MoRcHeEbA

08-13-2005, 12:33 AM

Grossman broke his Ankle out 3-4 months. Too bad I always kinda liked him.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-13-2005, 12:33 AM

Cheifs improved their D BCWWF, not saying they are tops in the league or anything but don't discredit your own team haha

Patriots beat the Bengals, pretty boring game. Harrison was laying motherfuckers out though, and Beisel beasted some dude too - I think it might have been Perry but I'm not sure. Perry looked pretty impressive for Cincy, Cassell looked real good while Davey sucked so that will be intresting. Cassell is a real surprise, but then again he almost beat out Leinhart at USC. Kinda hard to get playing time when you are competeing with Carson Palmer then Leinhart.

MoRcHeEbA

08-13-2005, 12:33 AM

KYLE ORTON!!!!

MoRcHeEbA

08-13-2005, 12:34 AM

tell that Harrison guy I got something for him.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-13-2005, 12:34 AM

Yea Grossman seems like a cool shit, I remember back when he played for UF he would rock black socks/black cleats sometimes while the rest of the team was in white. I dunno I think shit like that is cool. I feel bad for him, I think if he could stay healthy he could be a pretty good QB in the NFL.

08-13-2005, 12:35 AM

I love Orton , but if they go with a QB on there current roster, they'll go with Hutchinson.

MoRcHeEbA

08-13-2005, 12:35 AM

less catches in the superbowl than him :rofl:

08-13-2005, 12:36 AM

Orton could light it up in Chicago.

MoRcHeEbA

08-13-2005, 12:37 AM

I love Orton , but if they go with a QB on there current roster, they'll go with Hutchinson.

Thanks John Madden

RoXer

08-13-2005, 12:40 AM

I haven't followed the last 6 pages so...

THE ARIZONA CARDINALS WILL WIN THE NFC WEST

MoRcHeEbA

08-13-2005, 12:41 AM

actually Seattle will

08-13-2005, 12:42 AM

Whats happening here is the LB is sqaured up to make a tackle and the running back, BOOM , goes right around him.

08-13-2005, 12:42 AM

Matt Hassleback sucks

08-13-2005, 12:46 AM

I want to strangle T.O.

AlphaBean

08-13-2005, 12:51 AM

Fuck RP, cut it out.

08-13-2005, 12:52 AM

AlphaBean

08-13-2005, 12:56 AM

You just spam with worthless verbal diarrhea, like Ralph Wiggum. "I think cheerleaders are pretty," "My mommy said foosball is dangerous," etc. Except not quite so intelligent, or well-written.

Worthless.

In other news, Atari Bigby was signed by the Jets. :love:

08-13-2005, 01:01 AM

Why do you worry about me?

AlphaBean

08-13-2005, 01:03 AM

Why do you worry about dog shit on the sidewalk?

You have to step over it. :nono:

BCWWF

08-13-2005, 01:07 AM

Johan almost has a complete game shutout, two men on, two outs in the ninth. Had to post it here before the games over.

road doggy dogg

08-13-2005, 07:46 AM

Wow sucks hardcore for Grossman, having had a simliar thing happen with Rogers the past couple years makes it easy to feel for the Bears, even if they are... the Bears.

Sucks too, Schlessinger is out for ~6 weeks. Dunno maybe they'll move Bryson to FB or something. Harrington actually looked really damn good tonight, so maybe the pressure with Garcia is motivating him. Boss missed like 2 huge tackles though, lol :'(

VonErich Lives

08-13-2005, 08:56 AM

Colts Training camp on NFL Network. Its really good stuff. Dungy is a heck of a coach.

So, when the Colts don't win again this year, what rule changes will he propose again?

"It's just not fair the way they play us and what they get away with, how about we widen the field, yeah, double the width... and then shorter then length..."

"Umm, wouldn't that me like Arena football"

"No, it's the NFL changing with the times..."

Seriously, he is a good coach, why he can't get his teams over the "final hurdle" is a question. Game Plan? Personal? Motivation? and I don't just mean in Indy, He had good teams in Tampa Bay that choked also.

It just seems after every big loss he whines about something, rather then taking the stance a Belicheck, Parcells, Shanahan etc... who say "We got beat, the other team played better then us and beat us, the refs don't decide the game the players do, and their players decided to play better then ours" (stuff like that, not exact quote).

AlphaBean

08-13-2005, 10:22 AM

Dungy put together the Bucs, and coached them until they reached their peak the year they won it all. Unfortunately, we will never know if they could have done it with him, or if they needed Gruden's motivation to make it all the way. We just won't know. But this argument can be made in Dungy's favor: The entire TB team was at its peak in '02.

08-13-2005, 04:48 PM

First of all. He doesnt whine after every big loss. I have no clue where you got that from. Posts some quotes please ,because i've never heard him whine or complain about anything other then his team and the players on that team.

As far as his coaching in Indy is concerned. He's molded our defense into a very respectable defense this year. They've done it through the draft . Thats it. No free agent signings. Last year the Defense showed amazing signs. This year they could be a top 10 defense. Maybe even top 5. This year is probably Tony Dungy's best overall team ever. There are no excuses for not winning a Superbowl this year.

( Those teams he had in Tampa Bay absolutley sucked on offense. They had Shaun King staring for them, comon. )

AlphaBean

08-13-2005, 05:01 PM

AlphaBean

08-13-2005, 05:02 PM

I'm hoping for one of three guys for the Bengals pick

Jonathan Vilma
Chris Gamble
Vince Wilfork

Itd be sweet if Boulware was around for the Bengals second pick but hes pretty tiny for a LB ROFL, every prediction Supreme made for the Bengals was way, wayyyyyyyyy off. Especially here. :shifty:
Well if they keep Owens its not as if he's going to just refuse to play. Unlike Moss, Owens has a pretty solid work ethic even if he is cocky
Then THE CLASSIC
We don't have a need at RB. We have BRIAN WESTBROOK the 2nd Coming of Marshall Faulk and a nice complement in Buckhalter.

Plus ESPN.com's Insider has a link with the tag line of something along the lines of "Eagles could be close to trading for TO"

I really could care less what you guys think. All we need is a Vet CB, either Carlos Emmons or Marcus Washington for SLB, and TO.

PLUS!!!!!!!! Haven't any of you realized by now that the EAGLES are SMART about handling their cap. They wouldn't blow their entire load on one guy thats not their style. Idiots, you think you guys know everything.

Kearse is overrated? We'll see, won't we.
First of all, if the 49ers don't resign Jeff Garcia, TO ****ed up and is still under contract there. So the Eagles would have to throw out a pretty damn good trade to get him away.

Second of all, there are no rumors whatsoever of Moss and TO being anywhere alike. The ONLY legitimate rumor about Moss at all, although it is pretty illegitimate if you ask me, is Moss to the Dolphins for a bunch of defensive guys. Tice says its obsurd, all of the local media agree, and so do I. There is no reason why the Vikings, who have plenty of room under the cap, would trade their best player, team leader, and fan favorite for a cornerback and a pash rusher. Say what you will, but Moss will be a Viking for life.
TO just got delt to Baltimore.

So much for your eagles plan.
Eagles are never going to win the Superbowl..shut up:love:
hey sTiMa34....

at least I have a life and don't spend all my time on TPWW.net's Forums. I have close to 100 posts, while since this page has been up only a few weeks you have over 16,600 posts. It seems that you are a complete dork and fag with no life, no "real" friends and no action from any girl on the face of the Earth. You opinion has no validity to me whatsoever.
:rofl: :love:
Ontario Smith

He will run for the Vikings...Didn't he tear it up the last few games of the season when he got a chance to run? Or am I getting mixed up
I just saw a thing on TO...and he brought up how the stuff everyone critising him for really isn't that bad...its not like he got caught DUI or he hit his wife or some shit. I dunno we got Jason "I beat my wife" Kidd all about reppin all this shit nowadays and everybody is flipping out about TO like he is satan yet everyone loves on Jason Kidd. And nobody ever makes a big deal about players getting DUI's but do a funny dance in the end zone? OH MY GOD You are a horrible person

Supreme Olajuwon

08-13-2005, 05:45 PM

Hey now, all those players I mentioned had pretty good rookie seasons.

so shut up

jerk

:'(

BCWWF

08-13-2005, 06:26 PM

The Moss trade came as pretty much a shock to everybody, and I still don't like it for the record. :mad:

08-13-2005, 06:40 PM

Imagine Moss, Burleson and Williamson together. WoW you think you'd have trouble covering the Colts trio. Try covering that Trio in there prime.

The Outlaw

08-13-2005, 08:22 PM

SammyG

08-14-2005, 10:55 AM

Rams are winning the NFC West this year. We got better on defense, our special teams won't be as bad, and our offense is still kickin.

FearedSanctity

08-14-2005, 11:05 AM

Denver WR Todd Devoe (92 yard TD catch) and QB Bradlee Van Pelt (40 yard run) are the mans. Bradlee would've had better passing stats if Darius Watts wouldn't have STILL been dropping easy catches. :mad:

If Van Pelt is as good as he looked, I don't know, almost makes me want Plummer to go down for atleast a little bit.

VonErich Lives

08-14-2005, 01:33 PM

Just a note, he was delt to the Ravens, the Ravens got their 2nd round pick back and a 5th rounder from the Eagles, so at the time I was accurate :)

VonErich Lives

08-14-2005, 01:36 PM

Gonzo

08-14-2005, 01:56 PM

I think the rules for defensive backs these days is ridiculous. Christ, you breath on a WR and its a flag. Pretty ridiculous. Everything goes full circle though so hopefully we will see a change where it can be a little more physical.

AlphaBean

08-14-2005, 03:44 PM

If you are chasing a WR from behind, you can't tackle him unless you can jump on him, or some how ankle-tackle him. That's fucked up. You can't grab shoulder pads OR collar him. Fuck. I hate that rule.

AlphaBean

08-14-2005, 03:47 PM

Just a note, he was delt to the Ravens, the Ravens got their 2nd round pick back and a 5th rounder from the Eagles, so at the time I was accurate :)

I was more laughing at how the NFL always shits on what we think is reality. Like me and BCWWF vehemently denying the possibility of Moss EVER being traded. :'(

You just, know things to be true... KNOW them... then it all goes to shit.

I focused more on the "there goes your Eagles plan" part, because the Eagles got the last laugh on all of us but Steamer last year. :(

But at least, we all knew Owens would ruin the Eagles. I love how people said that Reid will keep him in line, and winning/playing on a good team with a good QB will keep him happy... but it's not. Owens will never be happy in the NFL. I mean shit, even Randy Moss doesn't mind not getting the ball if he's winning. He's out there to have fun.

08-14-2005, 05:47 PM

Rectal, Dungy is on the rules comittie, the big push they had on calling pass interference came because of him after another playoff loss to the Pats.

Heck Irsay even said the other day he was tired of the team blaming everyone else and it was time for them to accept responsibility.

No your facts are wrong. Dungy wasnt on the rules committee then to the best of my knowledge. Bill Polian was on the rules committe. Bill Polian led the charge to ge the rules enforced. Ultimatley what pushed the rules committee to do this was a tape that Mike Martz ( rams coach) made over a 2 year span that started when the Patriots beat them in the Superbowl.

Honestly i dont see what any of this has to do with how good a coach Tony Dungy is. Someone brought this rule up and it had no bearing on the conversation or observation that i made, but if we are gunna bring it up. Lets get facts straight. Lets also point out that every team has a represenetive on the rules committee.

Also just to add. This was a rule that had been placed a couple of year before the Colts even made the playoffs. It not like this wasnt a rule. It wasnt being enforced. Nothing got changed. It just got enforced. So dont be mad at the Colts for bringing something up to the rules committee. The Patriots were able to take advantage of loose refering , along with other teams. The Colts took advantage of the fact that it was a rule and they could say something to the rules committee about it. I really do enjoy when 'some' Patriots fans act like they did nothing wrong. Sure you did nothing wrong by breaking the rules and getting away with it. It wasnt wrong because you werent flagged. So it was right for the Pats to rough up our recievers and other recievers in the league passed the 5 yard line. No one was there slapping them on the hand with penalty's. Hell i would want the Colts to do the same thing if we were in the Pats shoes , but dont all of a sudden start complaining when the Colts decide to use the rules committee to there advantage by pointing out these infractions.

VonErich Lives

08-14-2005, 07:24 PM

Rectal you're right on one count is was Polian, however Dungy pushed the complaint and so did Martz.

The rule has been in place for many years, not a couple, it's "pass interferance". The last time they focused on enforcing it was the year Marino set the record (gee, coincidence?).

Anyway, Dungy cried and they still lost.

Stima put it best, you'red worried about a regular season game that's 4 months away. The Pats take it one game at a time and keep winning.

Some big things this year and an improved Jets team and Dolphins team will make it tough, no TB no TJ and romeo and wies gone. Time will tell.

FearedSanctity

08-14-2005, 08:49 PM

As much as I despise the Patriots, I see them doing good this year. However, I think their losses outweigh their gains too much. Belichick is a GREAT coach, but I don't see the Pats going very deep in the playoffs this year.

And as much as I HATE the Colts(for obvious reasons), I think that as long as their defense holds up this year and no key player gets hurt, they'll ATLEAST be in the Super Bowl.

Rain Man

08-15-2005, 03:26 AM

Man this sucks...

BCWWF

08-15-2005, 05:18 AM

How about the Steelers? Nobody talks about them but especially if Hines sits out they are looking to drop off quite a bit.

AlphaBean

08-15-2005, 03:16 PM

How about the Steelers? Nobody talks about them but especially if Hines sits out they are looking to drop off quite a bit.

No Staley, no Ward, no Burress...

They better pray that the defense stays intact, and Bettis can put up yards, even though he wanted to retire but he's being forced to play again. Poor dude.

Also, oh man, without Ward/Burress to block, and help Ben, what's going to happen? It will be like he's all alone out there, and will probably continue to be exposed like he was in the playoffs.

08-15-2005, 05:00 PM

Porter is out for 5 weeks.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-15-2005, 05:25 PM

Nobody is talking about the Steelers becuase they gave up 41 points in the playoffs.

el fregadero

08-15-2005, 05:37 PM

Steelers might get lucky and go 6-10.

08-15-2005, 05:43 PM

I think Big Ben was seriously overrated last year. He won games, but only because he had a brilliant defense and a hell of a running game. If Big Ben is asked to win games with his arm this year. I think they may be in trouble, but they can still run the ball with the Bus. Baltimore has a better team IMO.

Gonzo

08-15-2005, 05:46 PM

Ben Roethlisberger was in a great situation, any QB can win with what they had going on. Not saying he isn't good by any means, but the true testament to his ability will be when they lose some of their star players, ie Burress, Ward and their defense. That has happened to an extent and appears to be happening even more, so we'll see if Roethlisberger can manage with what he has left.

08-15-2005, 05:56 PM

Ward is reporting today.

Nervous Ferret

08-15-2005, 05:57 PM

Ward is gunna be silly this year

Rain Man

08-15-2005, 06:12 PM

The Steelers I think are still a top 5 team in the AFC. We'll have to see how Hines attitude is

VonErich Lives

08-15-2005, 06:36 PM

The only Pats loss that really worries me (well two) Bruschi and Johnson.

One of the best MLB in the league in all aspects, line calling, run stopping, pass coverage etc.

and one of the best run stoppers in the league, everyone knew TJ was only a 1st/2nd down back, but still a great run stopper.

I do know this, if the offense comes out and stutters, everyone's going to flip out around her and question Belicheck not hiring an Offensive Coordinator.

I dunno with the Colts, I still see them every year as a track team and once you smack them in the mouth they get aligator arms and a step slower.

If it's not the Pats, I think the Jets become the team to beat, Pennington over Rothlesberger. Martin over Bettis, and the list goes on.

Also, I expect a good season from the Dolphins, they still have the defensive tools, have Rickey back and Brown ended his hold out. Giving them the possibility of two 1000yd rushers in the backfield and a good WR corp. The question is, have the found a QB who can move the ball?

The west is going the be a tough division, The colts should walk over their division, but Jacksonville doesn't have a very tough schedule.

The Steelers should take their div, but it wouldn't suprise me to see another team in that div give them a run for their money, especially if the Bus gets a flat tire.

08-15-2005, 07:01 PM

I dunno with the Colts, I still see them every year as a track team and once you smack them in the mouth they get aligator arms and a step slower.

Yah they sure were a step slower last year werent they. You wont have to worry about our passing game. We will beat you with Edge and when he's tired will bring in Rhodes. Also your offensive line will get shredded by our speed on the DL. Our passing game is the last thing you need to worry about.

MoRcHeEbA

08-15-2005, 07:09 PM

honestly how many cocks can you fit in your mouth RP cause I mean there's what 11 starters on offense 11 on defense I mean that's already 22 cocks you seem to have in your mouth.

Gonzo

08-15-2005, 07:10 PM

LOL Morcheeba pwnd.

08-15-2005, 07:11 PM

Fuck off whore.

MoRcHeEbA

08-15-2005, 07:16 PM

BURN!!!!!!!!

08-15-2005, 07:17 PM

Peyton Manning would rape you.

MoRcHeEbA

08-15-2005, 07:19 PM

I doubt he would since I don't think he could get his cock out of your mouth.

08-15-2005, 07:22 PM

Wow you are fiesty today. Yah i guess it wouldnt be rape. Whores dont acknowledge rape. What do you call it? Paying the bills?

08-15-2005, 07:28 PM

Apparently TO is gunna be suspended this season and not get paid if he doesnt behave. I hope this happens because if i have to sit through a season full of TO stories. I'll puke.

Gonzo

08-15-2005, 07:30 PM

I would be estatic.

08-15-2005, 07:31 PM

Am i the only person that thinks TO is roiding?

AlphaBean

08-15-2005, 09:56 PM

Am I the only person who thinks MoRcHeEbA is roiding?

MoRcHeEbA

08-15-2005, 10:00 PM

it was something in the over the counter cold medication :$

AlphaBean

08-15-2005, 10:04 PM

MoRcHeEbA, come over. I'll get us Vikings tickets.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-16-2005, 12:39 AM

Yah they sure were a step slower last year werent they. You wont have to worry about our passing game. We will beat you with Edge and when he's tired will bring in Rhodes. Also your offensive line will get shredded by our speed on the DL. Our passing game is the last thing you need to worry about.
LOL

Why hasn't any of this shit ever happeend then? Why don't we just hand the Colts the Superbowl trophy now because for some reason they are the greatest team of all time it seems. Somehow now they are the GOAT. I really don't know when this happened. Looks like they have the same team to me, the same team that didn't win the Superbowl.

AlphaBean

08-16-2005, 01:23 AM

Nah their defense is SICK.

Dwight Freeney is all you need.

AlphaBean

08-16-2005, 01:25 AM

In other future-telling football news, Larry Izzo will make the Pro Bowl this year, not as a special teams ace, but as the man-beast who will take over the Mike spot this season. :eek:

But he will have to forfeit his spot in the Pro Bowl after Marvin Harrison breaks him in two in the AFC Championship game.

08-16-2005, 01:26 AM

I'm not sure where you got the whole GOAT . I surely didnt say that. I also didnt pick the Colts to go to the Superbowl , but none of that really matters. When you talk about the Patriots, i dont sit here and laugh at you and question your credibility or pile on about shit like the some other assclowns . I tell you what I think and try to have a conversation about it, but when i talk about the Colts... All of a sudden the pile on begins and people start talking shit to me and flaming me. Whatever. I wont even talk about Colts Pats anymore until November 7th. I dont really feel like getting to name calling and insults in the football thread. Feel free to take more shots at me. I'll sit back and wait til November 7th. Good luck with your teams.

08-16-2005, 01:33 AM

Steelers special teams and defense looked awesome tonight. Maybe they wont be as average as i thought. Baltimore is really good though.Maybe a wildcard or something for Steelers.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-16-2005, 01:34 AM

LOL You don't talk about your team like everyone else. I've already seen like 3 posts from you with 3 paragraphs in each of them about how great the Colts are, how great this player is, etc. The best one was about Harrison, the way you typed it out made it seem like you got wood when he ran his pass routes. Nobody else comes off that way but you.

08-16-2005, 01:37 AM

Yah i really liked the Harrison one too. Comon give me the Harrison paragraphs atleast.

I bought a Marlin Jackson road jersey today.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-16-2005, 01:44 AM

I didnt see much of the Steelers game but I heard that safety Troy Polamalo (sp?) does crazy workouts. The biggest weight he uses is 20 pounds. Thats ridiculous. He must do some crazy shit seeing how he made the probowl. Eagles back up linebacker Matt McCoy looked like a sick fuck with that blacked out visor though. I wish them shits were legal in Mass High school football becuase I woulda rocked one.

08-16-2005, 01:46 AM

Brian Dawkins wears one and looks like the shit.

AlphaBean

08-16-2005, 02:12 AM

BCWWF

08-16-2005, 03:14 AM

He had Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, and Antawn Randall-El, of couse his passing game was going to be good. Also, Bettis will probably be a third down back this year and it won't slow them down. They will go 9-7 or 10-6. Hines is back if you havent seen yet.

AlphaBean

08-16-2005, 03:58 AM

His passing game was good because he was tossing high-percentage throws once every third down, because Bettis and Staley had them in 3rd-and-2 situations constantly. It was the Trent Dilfer in Baltimore syndrome. Only, Pitt's D wasn't as sick as Baltimore's; Jamal Lewis eats pieces of Bus for breakfast, and Brian Billick is God.

BCWWF

08-16-2005, 01:44 PM

Lol oops, I apparently didn't see the next page when I posted that.

Anyway, people always bring up the fact that the Patriots can lose players and then have somebody come in and fill in just fine. Well yeah, they can do that when they plan to lose a player, when its Ty Law or Lawyer Milloy or those guys. But they weren't planning on losing Bruschi and he is one of the guys you simply can't replace. Its like having Tom Brady go down with a broken neck and saying the Pats will still win it all with a backup quarterback because its all the system. The Pats individuals are way too underrated, and losing Bruschi is going to hurt.

VonErich Lives

08-16-2005, 06:20 PM

Yah they sure were a step slower last year werent they.

20 - 3.

Yep, that's right the new version of the "greatest show on turf" lost, even pass interferance being inforced to a point that breathing on a player was called, even with one of the best DB in the game not playing (Ty Law), even with one of the best DL in the game not playiing (Richard Seymour).

Passing: Manning: 27/42, 238yds, 5.7avg 1int
Rushing: Edge: 14 for 39 2.8avg longest 7yds
Rec: Edge: 7/69 9.9avg, Stokley 8/64 8.0avg, Harrison 5/44 8.8avg

Look, I give the Colts credit, they have a great team, but it seems each year you tell us how this is the year, the Colts are the best, blah, blah, blah and then they don't win. Someone with time should go back and get all your posts before the Pats v. Colts game last year.

I'm a lifelong Pats fan and it's a great time to be one, wasn't that way during the 1-15 seasons, but I still watched.

I kinda compare (not talent wise, but situation) the Colts are the mid/late 80's Cleveland Browns. The Browns had a good team, one of the best in the league, but couldn't get past the Broncos in the playoffs (3 afc championship losses). Was it Kosar? Schottenheimer? Who knows.

But the Colts have the same thing now, one of the best teams in the league, but can't get by the Pats, ever worse when they meet for the big games they get stomped, not close. Why? I belicheck a magician? Does Manning choke? Dungy have a bad plan? Do they go out drinking the night before? Who knows.

The question is, can the Colts get a shot while they still have their core together. For the Colts to stay competitive Manning will have to re-do his contract, you can't tie up that much money. One thing that keeps the Pats going so well each year is drafting and cap management. Pro-Bowlers like Milloy, Law gone, replaced by rookie's or free-agent re-treads.

The Pats do have a lot to over come, the MLB losses are big, who knows, maybe Chad Brown stays healthy and returns to his Pro Bowl form? Is running the offense too much for Belicheck to handle? Does Mangini have problems that force Belicheck to try to do it all? Does he get upset over his wife leaving him (wait, she's leaving because of all the hours he works... doubt he'll notice her gone then) :)

Plus, Brady held out the first pre-season game and hasn't practiced much, on session he threw a few and then handed off all morning, so everyone is worried they're hiding a problem with his arm.

That all being said, till the Colts prove otherwise, they are the Patriots bitch.

VonErich Lives

08-16-2005, 06:22 PM

RoXer

08-16-2005, 08:11 PM

Yeah, RP, you never answered my question in the other thread.

Do you ever get cockjaw?

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-16-2005, 08:19 PM

I agree Bruschi going down with hurt a lot but you never know. I thought the samething about Ty Law going down. Look who they had playing behind him, no one with any experience at all. Bruschi does things you can't replace but so didn't Law, and they were still able to get by. Is Chad Brown going to do all the samethings as Bruschi? No, but that doesn't mean they can't win the Superbowl or that somebody else won't step up. I've just stopped doubting the Patriots because everytime I do they pull it out. I will continue to do that until they give me a reason to stop.

08-17-2005, 01:13 AM

If Losman doesnt make huge mistakes, Buffalo can go to the Superbowl.

Nervous Ferret

08-17-2005, 01:14 AM

bUT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH INDIANAPOLIS FIRST!

VonErich Lives

08-17-2005, 04:19 PM

If Losman doesnt make huge mistakes, Buffalo can go to the Superbowl.

Well, yes, the regular season has not started yet, and every team is tied 0-0 so every team has a good shot at the superbowl.

That being said, even if Loseman doesn't make "huge mistakes" i'd be suprised to see the Bills break .500

Look at their schedule. Look at their Division.

Just don't see it happening, but who knows, every team is just 1 injury away from a horrible season.

08-17-2005, 04:26 PM

They have a A+ defense. There recievers are really good. Mcgahee is a top tier runningback. I havent looked at there schedule , but based on what i see on paper.If Losman doesnt completley stink it up. They should make the playoffs.

Mr. Monday Morning

08-17-2005, 04:40 PM

Buffalo's schedule

vs Houston
@ TB
vs Atlanta
@ NO
vs Miami
vs NYJ
@ Oakland
@ NE
vs KC
@ SD
vs Carolina
@ Miami
vs NE
vs Denver
@ Cincinnati
@ NYJ

Could go either way really.

08-17-2005, 05:15 PM

10-6

Nervous Ferret

08-17-2005, 07:12 PM

7-9 for the Bills

AlphaBean

08-18-2005, 01:29 AM

They're missing something, though... a big part of their defense... as in, the biggest... :shifty:

That's right, mista #94 himself, PAT WILLIAMS. :love:

AlphaBean

08-18-2005, 01:56 AM

Largely unnoticed, receiver Nate Burleson made one of the more amazing moves of training camp Tuesday morning. As the receivers group jogged to a drill, Burleson caught up to receiver Daryl Jones. Burleson put his hands on Jones' shoulders and then leapfrogged him as Jones stood straight. Burleson cleared the 5-9 Jones' head by at least a foot.

:love:

FUCK Madden giving him 88 jumping. GOD. Come on.

el fregadero

08-18-2005, 02:49 AM

Almost as good as Matt Jones.

RoXer

08-18-2005, 02:51 AM

Kurt Warner - 44 speed

:|

AlphaBean

08-18-2005, 03:22 AM

Almost as good as Matt Jones.

:mad:

Jones is way better.

But you know who the best is by far? CLARENCE MOORE, Baltimore Ravens... 6'6" 98 jumping :love: :love: :love:

Fuck, Derrick Mason is a bitch now. Moore is the manski.

VonErich Lives

08-18-2005, 12:05 PM

VonErich Lives

08-18-2005, 12:09 PM

vs Houston
@ TB
vs Atlanta
@ NO
vs Miami
vs NYJ
@ Oakland
@ NE
vs KC
@ SD
vs Carolina
@ Miami
vs NE
vs Denver
@ Cincinnati
@ NYJ

Wins in Bold and I wouldn't count on them beating Cincy.

7-9.

Maybe everyone beats each other up, I don't see 7-9 getting a Wildcard.

VonErich Lives

08-18-2005, 12:15 PM

:mad:

Jones is way better.

But you know who the best is by far? CLARENCE MOORE, Baltimore Ravens... 6'6" 98 jumping :love: :love: :love:

Fuck, Derrick Mason is a bitch now. Moore is the manski.

I loved one of the old N64 versions, you could move Tony Simmons to the #2 WR spot and I think run a Flag or an out/up and no one could ever catch him, I think I ran up 100pts in a 5min/qtr game just going to him.

VonErich Lives

08-18-2005, 06:00 PM

The Outlaw

08-18-2005, 06:47 PM

No, don't see it anywhere.

But, pretty :eek:ish is the kicker from Kansas City being in some trouble with the police. Actually, I think KC has like 4 people with police problems lately. Tynes, Collins, and two defensive guys.

K here's the link

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chiefs-moretroubles&prov=ap&type=lgns

Also, Pacman finally signs. 5 years 13.5 mil. Leaves Benson as the only one unsigned.

Gates has been given an "ultimatum" that if he doesn't end his holdout, he would be suspended for three games. :eek:

Mr. Monday Morning

08-18-2005, 07:33 PM

lol yeah there was a comment by the people keeping the fantasy football news up to date that any bouncer that gets his ass handed to him by a kicker needs to find a new job :yes:

Having said that he'd better not get sacked/replaced since I'll have to find a new kicker :mad:

Gonzo

08-18-2005, 07:37 PM

Chargers are definitely bluffing on that shit with Gates.

VonErich Lives

08-18-2005, 07:44 PM

Chargers are definitely bluffing on that shit with Gates.

Dunno, the whole suspened thing carries some weight in the NFL, not just do they not get paid, I don't think it counts twords the eligibility.

There was talk Seymour could sit out 2/3 of the season and then come back for just enough games to get the year of eligibility, but there's also something about a suspension also doesn't allow to accrue years which leaves a player stuck w/o pay or free agency.

AlphaBean

08-18-2005, 08:24 PM

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-19-2005, 01:58 AM

ok, haven't found a link, but everyones been talking about some comment Ray Lewis made that the focus of the NFL shouldn't be on Owens walking out on his team, but on the Defending Superbowl Champions the Patriots.

Anyone hear this and have a link/quote?It was on Sportscenter. Everything he said was right. He was pretty saying yea he understands how they have to let the people know hes kicked out of campbut don't make it a soap opera - he even compared it to one. I forget which one he used haha

MoRcHeEbA

08-19-2005, 03:54 AM

WHATEVER RAY LEWIS SHOULD BE IN JAIL!!!

*mock dance*

08-19-2005, 04:36 AM

A+? Good Defense yeah, A+? If they're an A+ then that scale makes just about every team an A- or higher and a lot of teams A+.

Playoffs... ok, let's assume they won't win the division.

Let's for sake of argument give it to the Pats (although the Jets wouldn't shock me).

Let's say Pittburg, Indy and SD round out the division winners.

So, this means the Bills would need to be a Wild Card.

The Jets will get 1 spot

This all assumes healthy players, can't predict the injuries

So, that leaves one playoff spot.

Ravens, Bengels, Jaguars, Denver. Would be the top teams, and I just don't see the Bills finishing better then those. Plus I'd expect an improved Phins, Browns, Texans and Raiders.

So yeah, I don't see them making the playoffs.

But, anything is possible.

1) Bills defense is one of the best if not the best defenses in the league despite losing Williams. You've basically over analyzed the fact that i added a ( + ) , but whatever. Lets call them a ( A ) defense.

2) The Broncos, Bengals, Browns, Dolphins, Texans, and Raiders arent going to the playoffs. Are they a challenge? Maybe, but the Bills have a better team then all of them. The only team even close to the Bills ( Out of that group ) is the Bengals.

3) Im picking the Cheifs to win the West and i dont think the Chargers will do anything better then 8-8.

4) The Bills have a better team then the Jets. Losman being one of the weaker links compared to Pennington. Other then that. Bills WR > Jets, Bills Defense > Jets, Bills RB = Jets RB, Jets QB > Bills, Jets O-line > Bills , but imo. Bills will have the better record.

08-19-2005, 04:40 AM

Ray Lewis is a nigger killer.

08-19-2005, 04:47 AM

Dunno, the whole suspened thing carries some weight in the NFL, not just do they not get paid, I don't think it counts twords the eligibility.

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Antonio Gates could throw an absolute fit like TO right now and I would back him . I mean they wanna pay this guy 335k. I know he was a one year star, but comon. Mix in some incentive clauses or something. Round it to a million maybe. Make it look respectable. His extension should have been done after the playoffs.

08-19-2005, 05:16 AM

Is Randy Moss trying to keep pace with TO?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-moss-marijuana&prov=ap&type=lgns

Mr. Monday Morning

08-19-2005, 06:34 AM

Could you imagine getting nutted by an NFL kicker? FUCK.

If I remember right he was born in Scotland. That's probably where it comes from, the violent urges and all that. FREEDOM!

VonErich Lives

08-19-2005, 11:04 AM

1) Bills defense is one of the best if not the best defenses in the league

Ok, I was going to stop reading there, I skimmed down to see something about the Bills being better then the Jets... anyway... who knows, maybe you'll be right, but everyone healthy I wouldn't put money on the Bills making the playoffs.

VonErich Lives

08-19-2005, 11:06 AM

Antonio Gates could throw an absolute fit like TO right now and I would back him . I mean they wanna pay this guy 335k. I know he was a one year star, but comon. Mix in some incentive clauses or something. Round it to a million maybe. Make it look respectable. His extension should have been done after the playoffs.

Who says they didn't offer him something? Maybe he just didn't feel it was enough. The NFL is the only league (while I don't like it) I can understand a holdout, simply because the NFL doesn't have gaurenteed contracts so if a player sucks the team and cut them and their money (although they do keep the signing bonus).

It's gotta work both ways, if players are going to want more when they overperform, they should give it back when the underperform.

VonErich Lives

08-19-2005, 11:07 AM

WHATEVER RAY LEWIS SHOULD BE IN JAIL!!!

*mock dance*

Coming from a cop who gambles and smokes weed :p

Nahh, you're probably right, I never followed that thing close enough, but I'll trust you that he was responsible for the deaths.

VonErich Lives

08-19-2005, 11:08 AM

Ray Lewis is a nigger killer.

Just to clarify, does this mean you're calling him a "Nigger" and a "Killer" or saying he "Kills Niggers"?

:roll:

AlphaBean

08-19-2005, 10:10 PM

Is Randy Moss trying to keep pace with TO?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-moss-marijuana&prov=ap&type=lgns

ROFL how is that anywhere ANYWHERE near what Owens has done? Fuck.

I hate when idiots keep trying to compare the two.

Moss may not be the most mature, but he is a team player. All he cares about is the win. He's not going to hold out after signing a contract. Or do any of the things Owens has done.

Gonzo

08-19-2005, 10:18 PM

Yeah walking off the field is "caring about the win". He is a team player to a certain extent. Arguing with you QB and walking off the field is certainly not being a team player.

VonErich Lives

08-20-2005, 12:23 AM

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-20-2005, 12:34 AM

AlphaBean

08-20-2005, 12:47 AM

Yeah walking off the field is "caring about the win". He is a team player to a certain extent. Arguing with you QB and walking off the field is certainly not being a team player.

Arguing with his QB? They were good friends, they talked shit back and forth.

Walking off the field? With 2 seconds left of an unwinnable game. And don't tell me there was a chance that the Vikings could have got the onside kick and then successfully thrown the hail mary. That's bullshit. The reason Moss left with 2 seconds left is because the team didn't want to win that game. They were discussing what they would do after the game, before Moss left. He got sick of it and left. I'd have done it too. So yes it was caring about the win. Rather, caring more about the loss than his teammates. Sometimes he had too much heart, but it was heart and it was in the right place.

As for "taking plays off," he also explained it thusly: First off, he's the best WR in the game, and is double or triple-covered on every play. He has to run a hell of a lot, just like any receiver, and his routes tend to be deeper than most. But here's what he said: When the team is in a position to win the game, he will go out there and play his hardest. But if the team is ineffective, they might as well throw him the ball. If they don't throw him the ball, and can't win the game, then why would he have to play? It makes sense to me. Put Randy Moss on any other team that has heart -- a team that WANTS to win games, unlike the Vikings from the last two seasons with their monumental collapses -- he will dominate, and fight as hard as they fight. But when the Vikings would be laughing and joking after a loss, come on. Pep and Moss were the only players with heart. Obviously, Moss has a funny way of showing it, and is immature. But it has never been about money for Moss. It's always been about the game. And THAT is why they should not be compared.

Answer me this: How many of Owens' teammates, present and past, speak kindly of him? Actually like/liked him? Because Moss took all of the young receivers in MN under his wing, taught them how to have fun, and led by example. He was reclusive from the press for good reason, but he always was a good teammate.

Matt Birk is just a big fat moron who blows everything out of proportion except for the fact that he hasn't been healthy in two years.

08-20-2005, 04:34 AM

ROFL how is that anywhere ANYWHERE near what Owens has done? Fuck.

I hate when idiots keep trying to compare the two.

Moss may not be the most mature, but he is a team player. All he cares about is the win. He's not going to hold out after signing a contract. Or do any of the things Owens has done.

You're an idiot.

What has TO done? Aside from acting like a child. He's done nothing , but lay it on the line on the field. He isnt known for taking plays off. He's a very competitive personality on the field and from what i've seen, gives it 100%. He hasnt admitted to any drug use. He hasnt ran over a cop. He hasnt walked away from his team and off the field during a loss. He doesnt have a criminal past.

So what if Owens is holding out. Thats business. He deserves the money. He shouldnt act like a child, but thats besides the fact. He's gunna play. He's gunna go to the Pro Bowl and his teammates and the fans will love him when its all done.

I wasnt comparing the two. I didnt say Moss should be compared to Moss, but now that you brought the issue to the forfront. It wouldnt be such a horrible comparison at all. In fact i think Randy might just beat TO in the comparison in the long run.

Ofcourse i'd rather have Randy right now because of the TO issues, but in the long run. Once TO gets under his nice contract ( which i think he deserves ), he's gunna be the man in Philly.

Stop calling people idiots and being argumentive in every post, or atleast know what the fuck you're talking about when you do.

08-20-2005, 04:41 AM

As for "taking plays off," he also explained it thusly: First off, he's the best WR in the game, and is double or triple-covered on every play. He has to run a hell of a lot, just like any receiver, and his routes tend to be deeper than most. But here's what he said: When the team is in a position to win the game, he will go out there and play his hardest. But if the team is ineffective, they might as well throw him the ball. If they don't throw him the ball, and can't win the game, then why would he have to play? It makes sense to me. Put Randy Moss on any other team that has heart -- a team that WANTS to win games, unlike the Vikings from the last two seasons with their monumental collapses -- he will dominate, and fight as hard as they fight. But when the Vikings would be laughing and joking after a loss, come on. Pep and Moss were the only players with heart. Obviously, Moss has a funny way of showing it, and is immature. But it has never been about money for Moss. It's always been about the game. And THAT is why they should not be compared.

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Well thats a truely sad story you just told us there. 51 other players on the team dont have heart and dont wanna win games? Wow.

You wanna know the difference between Randy Moss and the Vikings, and Hine Ward and the Steelers?

Randy Moss takes plays off when he knows he wont get ball, stands there looking like a jackass, and the Vikings dont make the playoffs.

When Hines Ward knows he wont get the ball. He gets his ass out there and throws game changing blocks to spring his other teamates loose and move the Steelers down the field. The Steelers win games and go far in the playoffs.

Fuck T.O. Fuck Moss. Give me Ward.

VonErich Lives

08-20-2005, 04:53 AM

RP - I agree on that, but TO did also play injured and the superbowl and carried his team.

Moss has yet to show that, the whole "taking plays off" is crap, that's the job of a #1 WR sometimes to decoy the double team to get the ball.

Moss had speed and can jump, but can't and doesn't go accross the middle, maybe that changes now, maybe he will get a set of balls in Oakland. Also, TO's issues have all been about money, I don't remember TO trying to run down a meter maid.

Moss, has the ability to be the best WR in football, but he's not and he only has himself to blame.

08-20-2005, 04:55 AM

Oh no doubt. I actually hate to say this , but we agree.:nono:

VonErich Lives

08-20-2005, 04:56 AM

Bills defense was real good last season VEL - Not tops in the league or anything but they were real tough. Not saying they are a better team then the Jets because I really don't know yet but their D is real good.

I agree, but best in the league or enough to carry the team to a playoff spot, doesn't work.

But it's a long season so who knows. I just don't see it happening.

08-20-2005, 04:59 AM

I agree, but best in the league or enough to carry the team to a playoff spot, doesn't work.

But it's a long season so who knows. I just don't see it happening.

Well. Look no further then Steelers of last year. Great Defense and a great running game. Buffalo looks alot similiar.

Also, I'm just throwing this out here so dont jump my shit. I was listening to the radio and someone implied that Teddy Bruschi was on steroids and the caller pointed to the stroke he had , as an example.

I dont believe it, but this is the first time i've heard someone say this. I honestly never thought about it before. What do you think? Inform me .

VonErich Lives

08-20-2005, 05:05 AM

Well. Look no further then Steelers of last year. Great Defense and a great running game. Buffalo looks alot similiar.

Also, I'm just throwing this out here so dont jump my shit. I was listening to the radio and someone implied that Teddy Bruschi was on steroids and the caller pointed to the stroke he had , as an example.

I dont believe it, but this is the first time i've heard someone say this. I honestly never thought about it before. What do you think? Inform me .

I think the roids makers are usually a step ahead of the roid testers and it's possible every player in the league is on roids.

To hat extent, there is no info to suppport or deny that, so it's kinda a baselss claim. But anything is possible and nothing would shock me.

and yes, I see you're comparison to the Steelers, the biggest thing that keeps the Bills out of the playoff is their Division. Put them into another divison, they have a better shot, but 2 vs. NEP, 2 vs. NYJ and even 2 vs. Miami which I think they go 1-5 (split Miami) puts them in a big hole.

08-20-2005, 05:13 AM

I think they are good enough to split with NE and NY. I think they will sweep 2 against Miami. Split with NY and probably lose 2 to NE, but they are good enough to beat NE once.

Other then that. I agree with everything you say. I seriously worry about a huge steroid scandle in the NFL. I mean , i seriously look at TO . I cant help but think he's roiding. I have no proof, but look at the guy. in 2 years he's become a fucking Hulk. Maybe i'm totally wrong. I think this about a few players. I think Bruschi is a better man then that. Atleast i hope. I like Bruschi alot.

AlphaBean

08-20-2005, 12:08 PM

You're an idiot.

Stop calling people idiots and being argumentive in every post, or atleast know what the fuck you're talking about when you do.

:rofl:

Oh man, you don't even deserve to be replied to after that brilliant post.

AlphaBean

08-20-2005, 12:30 PM

RP - I agree on that, but TO did also play injured and the superbowl and carried his team.

:lol: Yeah he carried them all the way to a Superbowl loss, didn't he? And he sat out through the first two games -- both wins. Funny how it all works out. Best player on the field, yet can't win games. Hmm.

Moss has yet to show that, the whole "taking plays off" is crap, that's the job of a #1 WR sometimes to decoy the double team to get the ball.

Didn't you read my post? He IS a blocker, he DOES decoy the double and triple coverage. What pisses him off is when he's triple covered and we can't run the ball, and the other WRs can't get open or catch the ball. When he plays 100%, gets tripled, is a decoy and we LOSE. He says "If we're going to have a futile offense and do nothing, you might as well give me the ball and let me make plays." What's wrong about that? It's true. You have the best WR in the game, and you don't get him involved? Sure, he could have handled it better, but he's a big kid. He has fun with the game, he's not a 'professional,' like Ward. He's a far better player than Ward, with a shittier work ethic. I never argued this. All I am saying is that Randy Moss plays when he wants to play, but that doesn't mean he never plays. It just means that, why would you want to run around on the field just for your team to dump it off to the TE in the flats? What the fuck is the point of that, honestly?

Moss had speed and can jump, but can't and doesn't go accross the middle, maybe that changes now, maybe he will get a set of balls in Oakland. Also, TO's issues have all been about money, I don't remember TO trying to run down a meter maid.

Moss can and does go over the middle. Remember the Randy Ratio? That's all he did. Short routes. Quick screens. He caught the ball and got, like, 10 yards. And he got nailed. The safeties came up because he wasn't a deep threat anymore. Thus, the running game suffered. We had our worst season in 10 years. And you know what? First of all, look at Moss's fucking stats. Why does he NEED to go over the middle? You are just mindlessly parrotting the stupid hateful sports media. Doesn't go over the middle? Over the first 8 years of his career, he has more yards and TDs than any other WR IN HISTORY, including Terrell Owens, Hines Ward, and JERRY RICE. And he did it "not going over the middle."

Yeah, you know who else doesn't go over the middle? Peyton Manning. I have never seen him run a slant. I guess that means he sucks a big one.

So hey, how about that Terrell Owens going over the middle thing... how many of those passes does he catch, as opposed to "alligator-arming" them when he hears footsteps? Yeah he goes over the middle. You know who else goes over the middle? Jermaine Wiggins. I guess his ability to go over the middle makes him a better player than Moss.

Now let's see...

Your next point was "running down a meter maid," or as we in the real world like to call it, "A fat old meter maid sitting on Moss's car, pissing him off, so he slowly accelerated. So instead of her getting off of the hood, she fell to the ground in dramatic fashion, seizing her opportunity to sue the most famous person in Minnesota."

I don't know. You'd think that as a player, attacking your coaches and your Quarterback to the point Owens has, that ranks as a little worse than "leaving the field of an unwinnable game."

Which, if you recall, Bret Favre did a couple of years ago against the Vikings. Flipped off the Vikings, brushed past the media, and ignored the fans. Quite possibly, the most beloved player in the NFL, if not of all time. Did exactly the same thing as Moss did. But nobody is saying a thing.

Moss, has the ability to be the best WR in football, but he's not and he only has himself to blame.

Set an NFL record for most catches in a player's first 6 seasons with 525, passing Marvin Harrison's 522 from 1996-2001...Set an NFL record as the only WR to record 1,000-yard seasons in his first 6 seasons...Set an NFL record for most receiving yards in a player's first 6 seasons, his 8,375 yards topped Jerry Rice's 7,866...Named Associated Press All-Pro in 1998, 2000 and 2003...Earned Pro Bowl appearances in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002 and 2003...Has been named NFC Offensive Player of the Week 4 times in his career...Led the NFL in receiving TDs in 1998, 2000, 2003...Led the NFC in receiving yards in 1999 (1,413) and 2002 (1,347)...Led the NFC in receptions in 2002 (106) and ranked 2nd in 2003 (111)...Has not missed a game in his 5-year career and has started 91 of his 96 career games...Extended his consecutive games with a catch streak to 96 games, every game of his career, ranking 3rd in team history behind Anthony Carter's 105 and Cris Carter's 111...Since entering the League in 1998, Moss has 78 TDs in 96 games (77 receiving, 1 punt return) and has thrown 2 TD passes...Only St. Louis RB Marshall Faulk has more TDs since 1998 than Moss with 89...In 44 career games against the NFC North/Central Division, Moss has 239 catches for 4,048 yards (16.9 avg.) and 33 TDs...Minnesota is 33-20 in games when Moss has a TD...Has caught a TD in 5 of his 6 career playoff games...Ranks 2nd in team history with 77 receiving TDs, trailing Cris Carter (110) and has 78 total TDs...Ranks 4th in Vikings history in career scoring with 468 points...Ranks 3rd in team history for 100-yard receiving games with 38, trailing Cris Carter (40). The Vikings are 28-10 when Moss has 100+ yards receiving...Has caught 3 TD passes in a team-record 5 games in his career, the last coming vs. San Francisco (9/28/03)...In 8 career Monday Night Football games Moss has 41 catches for 872 yards (21.3 avg.) and 10 TDs...Holds a Vikings record with 24 plays of 50+ yards in his career, 23 receptions and a punt return...In his 96 career regular-season games, Moss has 14 catches of 60+ yards, 23 catches of 50+ yards and 15 TDs of 50+ yards and 47 catches of 40+ yards and 25 TDs of 40+ yards...Named 2000 Pro Bowl Most Outstanding Player after setting records for catches (9) and receiving yards (212) in the game along with scoring the final TD of the day in a 51-31 win by the NFC...Broke his own Vikings record for single-season receiving yards with 1,637 in 2003, breaking his previous record of 1,437 in 2000...Combined with Cris Carter for a team-record 2,711 receiving yards in 2000, breaking the mark of 2,654 yards the duo set in the 1999 season...Led the NFC in receiving yards in 1999 with 1,413, the 1st Vikings WR to lead the NFC since Ahmad Rashad in 1979...Set a Vikings record for most receiving yards in 2 straight games with 331 in 1999 (204 at Chicago, 11/14/99 and 127 vs. San Diego, 11/28/99)...Became the 1st Vikings WR to throw a TD pass when he hit Cris Carter on a reverse pass at NY Giants (12/26/99) and threw his 2nd career TD pass to D'Wayne Bates vs. Miami (12/21/02)...Only rookie in 1998 to earn a berth in the Pro Bowl where he was a starter.

You're right, he's not the best WR in football. He's only one of the best of all time. I don't get where you get this "not the best" bullshit. So many people hate Moss, yet would orgasm at the chance to have him on their team.

Even Rectal Pertruder, who is so far up Marvin Harrison's ass that I'm sure he doesn't realize there are other Receivers in the NFL.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-20-2005, 01:28 PM

Oh poor Randy Moss. He's too upset with his millions of dollars to run hard when his team is losing :( :( :(

AlphaBean

08-20-2005, 01:52 PM

Why would he?

08-20-2005, 04:02 PM

[QUOTE=AlphaBean

Even Rectal Pertruder, who is so far up Marvin Harrison's ass that I'm sure he doesn't realize there are other Receivers in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

I dont worry about other recievers that much. We have 3 of the best.

08-20-2005, 04:02 PM

Even Rectal Pertruder, who is so far up Marvin Harrison's ass that I'm sure he doesn't realize there are other Receivers in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

I dont worry about other recievers that much. We have 3 of the best.

AlphaBean

08-20-2005, 04:59 PM

Doesn't take much; Manning makes Troy Walters look good.

VonErich Lives

08-20-2005, 05:37 PM

Mr. Monday Morning

08-20-2005, 06:36 PM

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Antonio Gates didn't meet the San Diego Chargers' ultimatum to sign a contract by Saturday afternoon, meaning the defending AFC West champions will be without their All-Pro tight end for at least the season opener against Dallas.

In an attempt to break an impasse in negotiations, the Chargers ordered Gates to show up by Saturday afternoon and sign a contract. Gates' agent and the Chargers continued to negotiate up to the 12:30 p.m. deadline, but failed to agree on a multiyear deal. Gates has refused to sign the $380,000, one-year contract the team tendered him as an exclusive-rights free agent.

Once Gates does sign a contract, he will be put on the Roster Exempt List, automatically triggering a three-game suspension. That means he will for sure miss the team's final two exhibition games and the season opener against the Cowboys on Sept. 11 at Qualcomm Stadium. If he hasn't signed by Thursday, he'll also miss the Sept. 18 game at Denver.

Gates became a star in just his second NFL season, catching 13 touchdown passes -- a league record for tight ends -- and leading the Chargers with 81 catches for 964 yards. He accounted for about 20 percent of the Chargers' offense, a big reason why they went 12-4 and reached the playoffs for the first time in nine seasons.

Defenses had a tough time trying to cover the 6-foot-4 former college basketball standout, a power forward at Kent State. He didn't play football in college.

Gates, agent Andre Colona and general manager A.J. Smith didn't immediately return calls seeking comment.

AlphaBean

08-21-2005, 12:04 AM

It's really simpe Bean, TO's issues are never brought onto the field.

Moss's issues aren't.

You have to give 100% every play, doesn't matter the call or who'se getting the ball.

He's not the best player in the league, Stats especially in the Nfl are as much about the team as the player.

Moss was helped in the early years by Carter & Reed.

I'm not saying Moss isn't a great WR, just saying there are a few I'd take before him and no, I wouldn't want Moss or TO on the Patriots, not until they both grow up. But if I had to take one, I'd take Owens, I know that every play he's going to show up and give 100%.

I do love how you try to justify everything from "accelerating his car while a meter maid was sitting on it" to taking plays off and then tell RP his head is stuck up Harrisons ass.

Going to be interesting how Moss does this year w/o as good WR around him, with a QB that isn't as good, etc.... etc..... I still think he'll do good, cause as I said he is one of the best WR in the NFL and will or rather "Should" break some records before his career is over.

He already has broken records. He had Carter on the downside of his career, a player who was such a prima donna that he destroyed team chemistry. A player who thought he was above the team. His attitude spilled over to Moss in the older years. And Carter retired years ago, yet somehow Moss has continued to put up numbers, so shut the fuck up about that. And a good QB? Jeff George? Pretty sure he had an amazing season in 99 with Jeff George throwing him the ball. Pretty sick and tired of people trying to pass off his stats as 7 years of abberation. Like he was a 7-year fluke. You can't be a fluke for 7 straight years.

As for the Patriots, are you sure about that? The Patriots are a team that thrives on chemistry. First off, Moss has been babied his entire time here. If he had a coach who could actually coach him, like Belichek, he would work a lot harder. Second off, Terrell Owens is the antithesis of team chemistry. He's a cancer. Moss is immature, but he's not a cancer. Like I said, he has helped the players around him. He is a great downfield blocker for his size, and he made all the young WRs around him better as their leader.

All you people see is what ESPN wants you to see. And good players with bad raps does not make good news stories.

But as for you saying TO's issues are never brought onto the field... uh... I'm sorry, did you watch the 49ers vs Vikings game 2 years ago? Did you?

That person Owens was attacking? WAS HIS OWN COORDINATOR. And after the game, Owens said he wanted Rattay starting at QB.

Never let his issues spill onto the field... you don't even try making sense, do you?

As for me being up Moss's ass? Listen. I love the guy. But I would keep it simple, to just saying he's statistically en route to being the best ever and leave it at that. But I cannot stand idly by while he's being compared to Terrell Owens, when it's obvious that Owens is not a team player, and continues to destroy the teams he plays for, while Moss is a team player who just happens to be immature. I wish he wasn't so immature, but I can't really blame him. He's being himself. He's not letting the game change him. He's playing it for fun, and living his life according to his own rules. This doesn't make him selfish. He was a team leader in Minnesota, whether he liked to admit it or not. His presence will most definitely be missed here. But here's the difference between RP and myself: RP says "watch Harrison play and you'll see he's obviously the best."

I say, look at the stats. Moss is statistically, at this point in his career, the greatest of all time. Now, time will tell if he will take over Rice in that department. Chances are he will not. In that case, I would be willing to say he is the second greatest. I'm torn, though, on whether superbowl rings matter in determining the greatest. Most people say you need a ring to be a true success, but to that I say... what if the entire team around you blows? Barry Sanders played on so many losing teams it's unbelievable. Anyway, I digress. Statistically, Moss is on his way to being the greatest. He shattered records at Marshall, and stood in Cris Carter's shadow. Everyone said Carter mentored him, and he did -- but not in the way you would like your veteran to mentor a player. People say it was all the QB, but it was not Cunningham, it was Billick. Once Billick left as OC, Cunningham became pathetic. Jeff George took over, and was good enough for a Wildcard berth and early exit. Daunte is the man, but Daunte didn't make Moss, because Moss was a two-time ProBowler by the time Culpepper started his first game.

Moss is the reason I love football. I got into it late. I will always defend Moss, not because I'm biased, but because he deserves it. When Owens can call players killers and fags, tell off his coaches twice, call his QB a hypocrite who gave up in the Superbowl, whine to get traded twice, then whine for two huge contracts in a row despite being 32... yet still be held above Moss because Moss "takes plays off."

I dunno, man. Moss may take plays off. He may not go over the middle. He may have gotten help from Carter... but if all this was true...

Why the fuck does he have more yards and TDs than any other WR in the history of the NFL in his first 7 years?

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-21-2005, 12:19 AM

AlphaBean

08-21-2005, 12:26 AM

Moss is just an idiot. I am sure other players in the league start to take plays off when they know they are about to lose too, they just don't come right out and say it. Samething with smoking weed, im sure a lot of em do it but they aren't dumb enough to go around telling somebody in the media.

Exactly. He has all these quotables, and they really are awesome when you think about it... but what they really are is ammunition for mindless hateration in the form of a VEL rant. Like the latest Marijuana quote. He's immature, and runs his mouth. I admit this. And it makes it hard to defend him... but I do.

Because he squirted a fucking water bottle at refs. He mooned Green Bay. He never grants interviews, but his teammates love him. He beat some dude's ass in a bathroom in college, but flies a little girl with Cancer in to spend time with him at Practice every year. He's newsworthy, and none of it ever had to do with what he was doing on the field until that "walking out with 2 seconds left when the Vikings were losing and attempting an onside kick" situation. Which is bullshit. Like I said, Favre did it and nobody villifies Favre (except Vikings fans :love: )

As for taking plays off... did anyone see the Packers/Vikings playoff game? Moss took that play off, too, when he jogged toward Al Harris, then sprinted past him and caught the TD pass running with a bad hammy and ankle. :lol:

VonErich Lives

08-21-2005, 01:59 AM

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-21-2005, 03:50 AM

Moss is one of the top WRs in the game, probably right behind TO. The Vikings breaking down and losing was not Moss's fault. Mike Tice is a terrible coach - that's the problem. Moss will tear it up in Oakland.

TOs problems have nothing to do with on the field? So not talking to your quaterback has nothing to do with "on the field?"

People get hung up on his one dumb comment when he said he took plays off, then when he walked off the field. I've seen Moss throw a few real nice blocks before. He's no Hines Ward out there laying dudes out or anything but he still blocks a hell of a lot better than those wideouts from the U.

08-21-2005, 05:41 AM

Lets get a couple of things straight.

1) People knock me for going on and on about my team and certain players like Peyton Manning , Marvin Harrison and soon Marlin Jackson , because he is amazing. People including you Bean. Then you go on this big jerk fest about Moss. I'm not even gunna get witty here. I'll just laugh.

2) Harrison = 845 receptions, 11,185 yards , 98 touchdowns , 9 years
Moss = 574 receptions , 9,142 yards , 90 touchdowns. , 7 years

Would Moss have Harrison on td's... Probably. On receptions... Hell no. Moss would have to average 145 receptions in those 2 years. BTW fun fact Bean. Harrison holds the record for most receptions in a season. 143. Recieving yards... I'd say even. If Moss pasted him it wouldnt be by much. He's not the second greatest and he's not the current greatest.

3) Did you guys see that block where Harrison punked Champ Bailey in the playoffs. Bailey tried to tackle Reggie Wayne before he got to the endzone and little Marvin wrecked Baileys shit. Wayne turned around before he even got to the endzone. Started back trotting to the endzone , pointing at the Harrison block. It was hilarious. Denver talked so much shit about our recievers being soft. Harrison went out there and cracked that sucker..lol ~ Sorry ~

road doggy dogg

08-21-2005, 08:19 AM

Damn, you guys hear about that guard in SF that died yesterday after practice or whatever? Crazy shit. :-\

VonErich Lives

08-21-2005, 08:29 AM

Damn, you guys hear about that guard in SF that died yesterday after practice or whatever? Crazy shit. :-\

After a game vs. Denver.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2139454

No word on cause yet.

BCWWF

08-21-2005, 02:29 PM

Damnit there are like two pages of Moss talk and I can't bother to read them all, but as another person who has watched him since being drafted, he is completely misunderstood on the national scale.

Owens and Moss are not the same player and they are not the same personality. Moss has been misquoted and misrepresented so many times in the national light. Owens simply isn't. You could make the same argument for Owens while he was on San Francisco, but since going to the Eagles everything he has done has been documented by ESPN, which includes long uncut interviews.

Remember last spring when ESPN aired a Barry Bonds interview, full and uncut? It showed a different side of Bonds, one that had only been described to us through the talking heads. Once we actually saw him, I know a few people changed their opinions. With TO, when he came out and started talking he just reassured everything that we were being told.

Moss said "I play when I want to play", and it was taken completely out of context. He has said a lot of things, and a lot of them are things that are true for all players, but only he came out and said it. When it came to big games with big opportunities, Moss always came through and never complained.

The worst part of everything is that the deciding moment came when he pretended to moon the Packers fans after sealing a huge victory in the playoffs. Joe Buck is disgusted, Sports Center overplays it, Woody Paige and Jay Mariotti analyze it, the Vikings get pressure, and they have to trade him. The trade may work out for the Vikings, but as a fan who followed him for years and who has real knowledge of whats behind all of these antics, I wish him the best. Besides one or two incidents he was a good guy in Minnesota and I wish him the best in Oakland.

AlphaBean

08-21-2005, 03:03 PM

Bean, I started to read your novel, but couldn't stop laughing and realised you just kept repeating your foolishness.

By the way, Jeff George was a great QB he was also a HUGE head case, George's issue had nothing to do with his ability on the field.

Moss is a good Wr, he's not the best in the NFL, not until he grows up and not giving 100% on ANY PLAY FOR ANY REASON is just plain crap.

At least I'm repeating myself, and not what I read on ESPN.com Page 2.

And George was a great QB? That right there is a very typical VEL quote. George... great QB... George... great QB... And you're laughing at ME? :wtf:

Also, I never really thought about it, but Steamer and BCDub made a valid point. No player gives 100% on every play. Moss is the only one who came out and admitted it. And forever, you will say he's not the best WR in the NFL because he said this. You ignore stats. You ignore ability. All you care about is a quote you heard FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO.