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AlphaBean
08-21-2005, 04:14 PM
Lets get a couple of things straight.
1) People knock me for going on and on about my team and certain players like Peyton Manning , Marvin Harrison and soon Marlin Jackson , because he is amazing. People including you Bean. Then you go on this big jerk fest about Moss. I'm not even gunna get witty here. I'll just laugh.
Jerk fest? Who's the idiot who called me an idiot then told me not to call anyone an idiot? Hmmmm...
Oh and as for me going on a jerk fest over Moss... I'm defending him, because I like him, because he was being attacked. I did not shove his schlong down my throat for no reason.
But hey, here's something for you...
2) Harrison = 845 receptions, 11,185 yards , 98 touchdowns , 9 years
Moss = 574 receptions , 9,142 yards , 90 touchdowns. , 7 years
Would Moss have Harrison on td's... Probably. On receptions... Hell no. Moss would have to average 145 receptions in those 2 years. BTW fun fact Bean. Harrison holds the record for most receptions in a season. 143. Recieving yards... I'd say even. If Moss pasted him it wouldnt be by much. He's not the second greatest and he's not the current greatest.
Through the first 7, Moss holds the record, okay. Now, you keep saying "Receptions! Receptions!" Who gives a fuck? Moss wasn't the #1 receiver until what, his 4th year? Then he got 100 receptions. The problem is, anyone can get 100 receptions if you throw the ball to them. What matters is what they do with the ball. That means yards and that means points scored.
So let's do a little division.
Harrison: 13.236686 yards per reception.
Moss: 15.926829 yards per reception. Close to 3 more yards per catch.
Harrison: 8.62244 receptions per every TD scored.
Moss: 6.377777 receptions per every TD scored.
Now let's also take into consideration, Harrison who has been in the league two years longer than Moss having 98 touchdowns at this point in his career.
That means, to surpass him, Moss has two seasons to catch 8 TDs. Hmm. Can he do it? Who knows? I mean, he takes plays off, and doesn't go over the middle... I highly doubt he can keep up his pace of nearly 13 TDS per season. I say he only gets 3 this year, and 4 tops next season.
So good job. Harrison has more receptions.
Harrison: Averaging 1242.777 yards per season.
Moss: Averaging 1306 yards per season.
Hmm... we can keep going if you like.
In Harrison's career, 4,997 passes have been attempted by the Indianapolis Colts (An average of 555.22 per year). Of those attempts, 16.9% have been CAUGHT by Harrison (I do not know the statistic for 'thrown to') In Moss's career, 3743 passes have been thrown (an average of 534 per year --21 less than the Colts). Of those attempts, 15.33 have been CAUGHT by Moss, which, barring a gross disparity of drops between the two, that means that Harrison has seen the greater bulk of throws go his way, leading to a greater chance of Harrison having more receptions -- and better stats overall.
However, as I have shown, Harrison only has the lead in receptions, and rightly so, with a 2.6% difference in receptions from an offense that threw 1254 more times in his career than the Vikings have in Moss's career. Had Moss been thrown to more often, on a team that didn't lead the NFL in rushing for a good 5 of the years he's been in the league, then maybe -- just maybe -- Moss would have more receptions.
But remember this: If Moss had as many receptions as Harrison, he would have 13,457.47 yards receiving in his career. And at the rate Moss scores touchdowns, if he had the ball thrown to him as often as Harrison, he would have 132.491 touchdowns so far in his career.
Both of these stats are slightly higher than those of Harrison's... and then, if we do a per-year average, as opposed to a TOTAL... well, you get the point.
So there you go. Harrison has more receptions than Randy Moss, therefore he is better. :wtf:
The Outlaw
08-21-2005, 04:21 PM
Noone gives 100% on every play? Get real.
I dunno, TO is mad chill away from the game. You put a camera in front of him and he just gets a hard-on for controversy and drama. Randy is just an immature baby. That's the difference between them.
AlphaBean
08-21-2005, 04:23 PM
Don't forget -- Moss is also a better player. :yes:
Moss isn't mad chill? Come on. Moss is more Mad Chill than Owens.
Moss is more Mad Chill than anyone.
Also, ROFL at Mad Chill.
Also, GOD that last post by me was pathetic. I spent way too much time doing it, on company time. :$
AlphaBean
08-21-2005, 04:28 PM
Noone gives 100% on every play? Get real.
I dunno, TO is mad chill away from the game. You put a camera in front of him and he just gets a hard-on for controversy and drama. Randy is just an immature baby. That's the difference between them.
Who has 100% to give? When you're down 4 TDs, you take your starters out so they don't get hurt. They aren't playing in an unwinnable situation. So Moss sees his team playing like shit, and he takes himself out of the game. It's immature, but it's the same logic. How many offensive linemen continue to block the defensive end when the ball is in the receiver's hand and 20 yards downfield? How many DEs continue to rush the QB for that matter?
And how many of these people are running 50 yard deep routes on every play?
Nobody tracks a player taking a play off unless it's newsworthy. They want to show highlights unless they want to villify a player, and convince VEL that he never ever tries. I love it. Moss is lazy... but you guys just keep ignoring stats. :(
Oh and, I'll tell you someone who doesn't give 100% on every play: Donovan McNabb, who gets tired and sick in the Superbowl! :lol:
The Outlaw
08-21-2005, 04:29 PM
Better player? Dunno, hard comparison.
Also, I don't know if it was you that poked fun at the fact that someone pointed out that TO carried his team in the superbowl. Said something about them winning the games he was not in and losing the superbowl. That's pretty ridiculous. You could take an All-Star team of the two teams they beat in the Divisional playoffs and the conference championships (Minnesota and Atlanta) and that team would still be nowhere close to the quality of the Pats.
AlphaBean
08-21-2005, 04:29 PM
Oh and one more thing: VEL said that I keep repeating myself. It just hit me right now, that the only way you can teach dogs, children and retards is through repetition. It's the only way they will learn. Also with treats, but I don't have any treats.
Though I will give a positive rep to anyone who gets their head out of their ass in this thread. I promise!
The Outlaw
08-21-2005, 04:31 PM
But yet, TO gave 100% even with a bum ankle on EVERY SINGLE PLAY.
AKA he CARRIED HIS TEAM.
Oh, but they lost that game to the best team in the NFL while they beat two shit teams without TO, so it doesn't matter.
AlphaBean
08-21-2005, 04:33 PM
Better player? Dunno, hard comparison.
Also, I don't know if it was you that poked fun at the fact that someone pointed out that TO carried his team in the superbowl. Said something about them winning the games he was not in and losing the superbowl. That's pretty ridiculous. You could take an All-Star team of the two teams they beat in the Divisional playoffs and the conference championships (Minnesota and Atlanta) and that team would still be nowhere close to the quality of the Pats.
Exactly. So the Eagles outplayed the Vicks and the Vikes, yet Owens' best effort didn't make them good enough to beat the Patriots. Ridiculous? Not really. The fact is, stats don't mean shit without the W. And if it wasn't Owens getting his yards, it'd have been someone else, like Greg Lewis... who scored a TD himself. Or maybe FredEx, who never even got a ball thrown to him until late in the game, if I recall correctly. But the fact is, yeah. Owens had a good game in the SuperBowl in a losing effort. So did, I think, Muhsin Mohammed. Pretty sure Bruce or Holt did too.
But the Pats still won. Owens carried his team to a loss. It's not ridiculous, because IT IS TRUE. :kiss:
AlphaBean
08-21-2005, 04:39 PM
But yet, TO gave 100% even with a bum ankle on EVERY SINGLE PLAY.
AKA he CARRIED HIS TEAM.
Oh, but they lost that game to the best team in the NFL while they beat two shit teams without TO, so it doesn't matter.
Every single play... IN THE SUPERBOWL.
Don't be an idiot. Everyone gives 100% in the Superbowl. Nobody is too hurt to play in the Superbowl. I said every play. I didn't say every play in one game. I said every play. That they have been in. Every play, ever. Nobody plays 100% all preseason, in the waning moments of the 4th quarter when it's not a close game. Nobody. Except Terrell Owens? :lol:
And I already posted... they lost with Owens. He didn't do enough to win. He carried his team in a losing effort. Therefore, who cares what he did? It could have been anyone, but he had the ball thrown to him the most.
The Outlaw
08-21-2005, 04:46 PM
Oh so you are now saying Freddie Mitchell would have gotten the catches/yards if TO would have been injured? Come on. Some reaching going on here. Harrison fucked Mitchell up the whole game.
To be honest, the players that are in the 4th quarter of preseason games are probably giving 100%, considering they are 3rd/4th/5th stringers fighting for a spot on the roster.
I'm not even real sure why we are having this argument tbh. Moss is a beast, Owens is a beast. One guy likes to take plays off and shoots his mouth off about it; one guy just likes to shoot his mouth off. They can both be distractions and cancers, but they both can play and both could be the top 2 receivers in the game.
VonErich Lives
08-21-2005, 05:07 PM
At least I'm repeating myself, and not what I read on ESPN.com Page 2.
And George was a great QB? That right there is a very typical VEL quote. George... great QB... George... great QB... And you're laughing at ME? :wtf:
Also, I never really thought about it, but Steamer and BCDub made a valid point. No player gives 100% on every play. Moss is the only one who came out and admitted it. And forever, you will say he's not the best WR in the NFL because he said this. You ignore stats. You ignore ability. All you care about is a quote you heard FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO.
1) No idea what you're talking about ESPN... but whatever you want to make up that helps you feel like you're right.
2) Did you ever watch George play? or look at his stats? The guy had a cannon arm, and great accuracy. His issues were like TO, w/ coaches and not keeping his mouth shut, but he did it in a day when players couldn't get away with that.
and steamer and bcdub can say what they want, NFL players give 100% every play if they want to win, they don't take plays off, they don't walk off the field when there is a chance to win (yeah, onside kick, there is still a chance to win).
Seriously, I'll say it one last time and then this dance has gone on long enough, Moss is a GREAT WR, he is NOT the best in the NFL right now, he is NOT the first WR that would be taken for a team in the NFL right now and he is NOT the best WR to play all time. As for the last part, talk to me again in 5yrs then we can discuss the "ALL-Time" stuff, too early in his career to put him there.
The Outlaw
08-21-2005, 06:31 PM
Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin made his preseason debut during the team's game Saturday, Aug. 20. He had a 49-yard touchdown reception called back on a holding penalty. Boldin was so jacked up after the TD catch he turned to the end zone and tossed the ball fastball-style at the wall. The problem was that Boldin was high, and the ball sailed into the stands and apparently hit a fan.
ROFLLLLL
Mr. Monday Morning
08-21-2005, 07:12 PM
lol I read that as Boldin was 'high', I was thinking "how the hell would they know that? :wtf: "
MoRcHeEbA
08-21-2005, 07:38 PM
MOSS > THAN YOUR MOTHERS
MoRcHeEbA
08-21-2005, 07:41 PM
fags
VonErich Lives
08-21-2005, 07:58 PM
MOSS > THAN YOUR MOTHERS
Isn't "> Than" (then) redundent?
:p
VonErich Lives
08-21-2005, 08:00 PM
Vikings, but as a fan who followed him for years and who has real knowledge of whats behind all of these antics
missed that the first time I read it.
So, what's behind "all these antics".
Broken home? Lack of a father/mother figure? Bad influences at school? Please do tell...
(yeah, I know what you meant but the way it came out sounded funny!)
DegenerationY
08-21-2005, 08:06 PM
Damn, you guys hear about that guard in SF that died yesterday after practice or whatever? Crazy shit. :-\
Yeah, totally unexpected :(
Still no word on a cause. Autopsy was inconclusive.
MoRcHeEbA
08-21-2005, 08:20 PM
Isn't "> Than" (then) redundent?
:p
yes it is. However when you were gone for 6 months I always used to do that to bug sTiMa34 and now I just always do it as a running joke.
VonErich Lives
08-21-2005, 08:34 PM
yes it is. However when you were gone for 6 months I always used to do that to bug sTiMa34 and now I just always do it as a running joke.
Ahh, ok... did I miss anything else while I was gone?
BCWWF
08-21-2005, 08:35 PM
After last season, I don't see how you can compare Moss and Owens. Owens is good, but he's not a special wide reciever. Randy Moss is a special wide reciever because of his speed, his jumps, and his hands.
That being said, in the four major sports the only time I would consider the athletes giving 100% the whole time is in the NHL playoffs. The way hockey works, you go onto the ice for a minute and work as hard as you can, then you get off. You can't coast through a game of hockey, especially in the playoffs. In football, specifically for a reciever, you can easily coast through plays. Wide recievers don't have to go 100% on every running play or every play where you are running a decoy route. Its just kind of stupid to imply that every reciever, in every game, on every play, is putting 100% into it.
Jerk fest? Who's the idiot who called me an idiot then told me not to call anyone an idiot? Hmmmm...
Oh and as for me going on a jerk fest over Moss... I'm defending him, because I like him, because he was being attacked. I did not shove his schlong down my throat for no reason.
The problem you have is that you cant make a decent football post without mixing in a insult. Hence why i called you a idiot.
As fas liking Moss and defending him... Hey i like the Colts. I defend them. I also like to inform people about some of the things going on with my team. I'm a huge fan and have been a huge fan since George was drafted ( yes this is what made me the huge fan ) . For some reason your insecurities cant let you make a post without getting in some kind of insult towards me , but thats fine.
Schlongs down my throat because i like my team? Comon are we in 5th grade? Seriously. How old are you? You just sound really fucking stupid. I dont care how many people like you on this board. When it comes to football, atleast in this thread, you've done nothing but look like a idiot. I might seem like a fanboi. I probably am, because i'm a die hard, but i dont have to come with some 5th grade comments involving penis's in mouths to get my point acrossed.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-22-2005, 03:59 AM
After last season, I don't see how you can compare Moss and Owens. Owens is good, but he's not a special wide reciever. Randy Moss is a special wide reciever because of his speed, his jumps, and his hands.What? He caught 9 balls in the Superbowl a month after hebroke his leg. You are making it seem like you can't compare the two. Personally I think TO is a better player
BCWWF
08-22-2005, 11:44 AM
They are both talented recievers, that is as far as the comparrison can go.
VonErich Lives
08-22-2005, 06:48 PM
After last season, I don't see how you can compare Moss and Owens. Owens is good, but he's not a special wide reciever. Randy Moss is a special wide reciever because of his speed, his jumps, and his hands.
They are both talented recievers, that is as far as the comparrison can go.
AlphaBean
08-22-2005, 09:16 PM
The problem you have is that you cant make a decent football post without mixing in a insult. Hence why i called you a idiot.
As fas liking Moss and defending him... Hey i like the Colts. I defend them. I also like to inform people about some of the things going on with my team. I'm a huge fan and have been a huge fan since George was drafted ( yes this is what made me the huge fan ) . For some reason your insecurities cant let you make a post without getting in some kind of insult towards me , but thats fine.
Schlongs down my throat because i like my team? Comon are we in 5th grade? Seriously. How old are you? You just sound really fucking stupid. I dont care how many people like you on this board. When it comes to football, atleast in this thread, you've done nothing but look like a idiot. I might seem like a fanboi. I probably am, because i'm a die hard, but i dont have to come with some 5th grade comments involving penis's in mouths to get my point acrossed.
You called me a idiot. :lol:
Way to ignore the facts and stats though, bro.
Gonzo
08-22-2005, 10:16 PM
Even though he avoided the argument, he was pretty on with his comments.
I would take Marvin Harrison or Torry Holt over the Randy's or T.O.'s any day.
BCWWF
08-22-2005, 11:14 PM
VEL, I don't know if you are trying to be stupid or not?
In your first quote, I described their difference in styles, and in the second I said that they were not comparable recievers. Is there some sort of irony that I am missing?
They are both good wide recievers, but thats as far as the comparison goes. They don't have the same attitude, they don't have the same strengths, and in both of those categories Moss has been a better teammate and has been a better reciever throughout his career.
MoRcHeEbA
08-22-2005, 11:25 PM
I think he's saying if you can't compare them how is one better than the other?
BCWWF
08-23-2005, 12:04 AM
What I am meaning to say, and what I think Bean has been trying to say all this time too, is that that Moss is unfairly judged next to TO when they really aren't the same person.
Like I've said before, their styles aren't really comparable either, and I think Moss is an overall better and more valuble reciever, but in saying that I am veering off track. The whole point I am trying to make is about attitudes.
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 01:05 AM
Even though he avoided the argument, he was pretty on with his comments.
I would take Marvin Harrison or Torry Holt over the Randy's or T.O.'s any day.
I don't think you read his post, so I dunno how you agree with it.
We were arguing Moss vs Owens. I even said that despite his talent, Moss wasn't as good for his team as a consummate professional. All I was saying was that Moss is the best in the league right now. Maybe not the best team leader (but then, a WR shouldn't have to be a leader), and definitely not the hardest working... but he can beat any corner in the league, and sees defenses no other player has to face. His stats should speak for themselves, but for some reason they're almost always ignored. Through his first 7 seasons, the GOAT. That's all I'm saying.
I'd prefer Hines Ward, personally. Hard-nosed, team-oriented, amazing receiver. Maybe not a statistical beast, but he goes the extra mile.
Oh, and I'm not insulting RP because I'm insecure... and I'm not isolating my insulting posts to football posts only. I pretty much insult everyone at any given time. Dunno where RP got a different idea. :nono:
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 01:14 AM
What I am meaning to say, and what I think Bean has been trying to say all this time too, is that that Moss is unfairly judged next to TO when they really aren't the same person.
Like I've said before, their styles aren't really comparable either, and I think Moss is an overall better and more valuble reciever, but in saying that I am veering off track. The whole point I am trying to make is about attitudes.
Right... Owens is a less physically-gifted WR than Moss; Moss was given physical skills uheard of in the NFL. He's faster, quicker, better than any other WR before or after him, with better hands. So while he doesn't work as hard as he should, as VEL has said, he is still the best in the NFL. His issues don't make him less than the best. They just make him less than the best that HE COULD BE.
His attitude is different from Owens' attitude, because Moss's issues have almost always been with people outside of his own team. The one instance, walking off the field, in an unwinnable situation, as I said before Favre did with no fanfare, was done out of frustration towards an entire team that lacked the will to win. Owens called out Mariucci after a game, attacked a coach DURING a game, told a coach not to talk to him during a practice... all things that, had he been playing for the Cowboys, he would have been cut or traded by now.
Moss did some stupid, immature shit, but he cared about the Vikings. He wanted to play there. He wanted to play with his teammates. Owens seriously doesn't give a fuck who he's playing with. He can't see past the end of his own nose. Now, Moss cares about the Raiders. He loved the Vikings, but he knows it's a business, and he's moving on. Because he loves the game. Terrell Owens loves Terrell Owens, and he loves money.
Rain Man
08-23-2005, 01:51 AM
TO, TO, TO, TO, TO, TOOOO
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 02:04 AM
Toto?
Rain Man
08-23-2005, 02:10 AM
Greatest Band EVER
BCWWF
08-23-2005, 02:20 AM
Bean hit the nail on the head
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/81/to34jz.jpg
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-23-2005, 03:12 AM
I think Moss is the better "team player" but I would rather have TO on my team. He pretty much can do everything Moss does, maybe not AS well but pretty damn close. He can burn corners, catches the ball (his hands arent as good as Moss's but they are pretty damn good) but he can run people over as well. Hes a real physical wide reciever.
All this talk about Harrison is funny, hes a good wideout but he is soft as shit. I've heard this from an NFL players mouth and I believe it. He puts up so much stats because hes a #1 WR in a pass heavy offense. He isn't as good as a individual player as TO or Moss. I like how he isn't a shithead in public but that doesn't make him a better player than Moss or TO. Don't get me wrong, hes a def pro bowler but I don't think hes on the same level as Moss or TO. He isn't a phyiscal wide out at all and he has shown in games where he can be shut down when the defense plays aggressive. You very rarely see TO or Moss ever shut down, regardless of the defense.
I never said he was a better player. I said i'd take him over Moss and Owens.
It depends on your definition of soft. I think that term has been thrown around way to loosely when people talk about Harrison. He's smaller then Randy Moss and Owens. He's more of a thinking mans Wide Reciever. He goes over the middle and catches balls. I'll admit. Sometimes he does go down when he see's a DB about to lay him out. Why wouldnt he. He's not big and physical like Owens. One brutal hit like the ones Lavernaues Coles was taking all last year, could end his career. It doesnt make him soft, it makes him smart. My definition of soft would be a guy 6'+ who alligator arms balls thrown over the middle , past 7 yards and is pretty much relegated to a long ball jump and catch or a WR screen play , because of his tendancy to not catch balls over the middle, because of "Footsteps ".
As far as pass happy offense. I disagree with that totally. Harrison still made a probowl and put up great numbers in this offense despite two other recievers putting up 10 td's and 1000 yards recieving and Edge running for 1500 yards. Its not a pass happy offense. Its an amazing offense. Harrison should be commended for the year had considering all the stats that were put up by the other recievers and the running back.
Bean. With all the debates breaking out in the last 3 pages or so. I think i missed the argument you say i'm dodging. If its about Moss vs TO . I've addressed that. If its about the idiot insult deal, your right. Insults get tossed around all the time. I just dont like people dawging me for being a fan of my team by saying flat out dumb shit. I could easily do the same to you and others , but i dont. I rather just talk football instead of making it personal.
BTW Andre Davis is a decent reciever. Nice pickup for the Pats.
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 04:08 AM
I never said he was a better player. I said i'd take him over Moss and Owens.
It depends on your definition of soft. I think that term has been thrown around way to loosely when people talk about Harrison. He's smaller then Randy Moss and Owens. He's more of a thinking mans Wide Reciever. He goes over the middle and catches balls. I'll admit. Sometimes he does go down when he see's a DB about to lay him out. Why wouldnt he. He's not big and physical like Owens. One brutal hit like the ones Lavernaues Coles was taking all last year, could end his career. It doesnt make him soft, it makes him smart. My definition of soft would be a guy 6'+ who alligator arms balls thrown over the middle , past 7 yards and is pretty much relegated to a long ball jump and catch or a WR screen play , because of his tendancy to not catch balls over the middle, because of "Footsteps ".
As far as pass happy offense. I disagree with that totally. Harrison still made a probowl and put up great numbers in this offense despite two other recievers putting up 10 td's and 1000 yards recieving and Edge running for 1500 yards. Its not a pass happy offense. Its an amazing offense. Harrison should be commended for the year had considering all the stats that were put up by the other recievers and the running back.
Bean. With all the debates breaking out in the last 3 pages or so. I think i missed the argument you say i'm dodging. If its about Moss vs TO . I've addressed that. If its about the idiot insult deal, your right. Insults get tossed around all the time. I just dont like people dawging me for being a fan of my team by saying flat out dumb shit. I could easily do the same to you and others , but i dont. I rather just talk football instead of making it personal.
BTW Andre Davis is a decent reciever. Nice pickup for the Pats.
LOL yeah I was thinking the same thing earlier. It fucking exploded in here, but I love that. The football threads here are way, far, extremely beneath those at Rajah's. The only thing I miss about Rajah's is the NFL chat. As for the alligator arms thing, that's Owens. Moss is kind of like Harrison in that he goes down. He will do a QB slide, because he's been playing with rib injuries, leg injuries, etc. all his career. He's very slender. He caught passes over the middle before, and all that came of it was getting the shit beaten out of him.
Honestly. Why would you make a player catch a short slant for 6 yards when he can get a skinny post for 50? If you want to throw a ball underneath, throw it to your goddamned TE.
The Colts utilize that WR screen to perfection sometimes. I've seen Moss do it alot too and get td's. If the blocking is right and the DB's are back off. It's such a deadly play. I saw Troy Walters run a 40 yarder off that screen play for a td. Reggie Wayne is brilliant in that play. I truely hate short passes tho. Colts have alot of short pass plays for there recievers and i think the same thing you just said. Why not pass that to your RB or your TE , but whatever moves the ball i guess.
I think Lavaurnes Coles got knocked the fuck out every week last year. I cant decide if he was just ballsy and tuff , or stupid and retarded. I think he wanted to get hit hard sometimes.
Coles will be good with the Jets this year. I thought that trade originally was stupid because of what Santana did in the playoffs, but thinking on it more. I think the Jets got a bonified pro bowler and i think the Redskins got a flavor of the moment. I'm not saying Moss wont be good tho, but theres a chance he could fizzle. It is the Redskins. Gibbs does like to run the ball alot.
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 04:24 AM
Short passes are for QBs with shit accuracy.
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 06:09 AM
That was a "greater than" thing?
Yeah I questioned Schottenheimer for a minute, now I'm beginning to wonder if the old coot is on to something. Hopefully Joe Gibbs and what's-his-ass in New York get a chance to whip their respective teams into shape.
VonErich Lives
08-23-2005, 07:10 AM
I think he's saying if you can't compare them how is one better than the other?
It scares me when you read my mind, it scares me even more when you're right.
VonErich Lives
08-23-2005, 07:22 AM
As for the alligator arms thing, that's Owens.
Owens had NEVER had aligator arms.
The funny one last year was Pinkston, it was so bad that the announcers were talking about it every game.
Moss and Owens are both great WR.
Moss is faster, Owens is more physical.
They both have great hands, jumping and route running.
They both make their QB and teams better, draw the double team (in todays nfl rarely will anyone get triple teamed).
For me, it comes down to how they act on the field, besides some TD celebrations the most Owens has done is yelled at his QB. Heck Dan Marino used to chew out his WR's almost every game, I can't fault someone for yelling at a team mate in the heat of the game trying to win.
I can fault Moss for walking off the field, squirting a water bottle.
That's where it comes down to for me, then if you add the "meter maid" off field incident, If I had to take one I'd take Owens.
I think Holt is a step behined those two, but makes up for that (small step) by his charecter on and off field, you'd also have to put Hines Ward in there and Chad Johnson (this is teir 2, after Moss and Owens). Harrison I have to put tier 2, for the same reason I say Moss production at times was a product of his offense and surrounding players, the same is true of Harrison, who has great speed and hands, but at 6ft 175# can't be as physical as Moss or Owens.
The true test for Moss is what he does in Oakland, if healthy I think he has a great year. But keep in mind, Kerry Collins is no Daunte Cullpepper.
VonErich Lives
08-23-2005, 07:23 AM
Ok, let's get RP going again... :)
The old Montana v. Marino question.
You're building a team, your starting QB either Brady or Manning, who do you take?
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 08:33 AM
Owens had NEVER had aligator arms.
The funny one last year was Pinkston, it was so bad that the announcers were talking about it every game.
Moss and Owens are both great WR.
Moss is faster, Owens is more physical.
They both have great hands, jumping and route running.
They both make their QB and teams better, draw the double team (in todays nfl rarely will anyone get triple teamed).
For me, it comes down to how they act on the field, besides some TD celebrations the most Owens has done is yelled at his QB. Heck Dan Marino used to chew out his WR's almost every game, I can't fault someone for yelling at a team mate in the heat of the game trying to win.
I can fault Moss for walking off the field, squirting a water bottle.
That's where it comes down to for me, then if you add the "meter maid" off field incident, If I had to take one I'd take Owens.
I think Holt is a step behined those two, but makes up for that (small step) by his charecter on and off field, you'd also have to put Hines Ward in there and Chad Johnson (this is teir 2, after Moss and Owens). Harrison I have to put tier 2, for the same reason I say Moss production at times was a product of his offense and surrounding players, the same is true of Harrison, who has great speed and hands, but at 6ft 175# can't be as physical as Moss or Owens.
The true test for Moss is what he does in Oakland, if healthy I think he has a great year. But keep in mind, Kerry Collins is no Daunte Cullpepper.
Owens berated his coach in San Fran. Most teams will cut you for that. You just don't do that -- and you definitely don't do it TWICE and get away with it. And screaming at your Quarterback? Are you kidding me? If McNabb was tired at the end of the Superbowl, it was probably from an entire season of putting up with Owens's bullshit.
Moss's water bottle incident happened in his second year, and IMO on par with the Dallas Star incident. It was JUST WATER. And it had no effect on his team, because it was a ref, NOT A COACH.
And Owens has called Ray Lewis a murderer, Jeff Garcia a faggot, McNabb a hypocrite and said he gave up in the Superbowl, he has called out his head coach on several occasions, lobbied to get his QB benched, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I've said this all before but you keep ignoring it. You will reply with "Why u keep repeten urself," and I will repost what I said before... some people are just so thick that you have to hammer certain concepts home, such as "It is wrong to call your quarterback a faggot and ask for his backup to start."
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 08:41 AM
Ok, let's get RP going again... :)
The old Montana v. Marino question.
You're building a team, your starting QB either Brady or Manning, who do you take?
Manning. You give him a genius as his coach, we'll see what happens. The Colts throw three plays in to Manning and let him audible. If he had a Brian Billick type OC, could you imagine what he would be capable of?
Or, say, he had a coach/defense like they have in New England?
Also, who was it... Connie Mack? OR some other old-time manager in MLB, formulated that it is better to have a perenniel competitive team who folds in the end, than to have a Championship-caliber team, because if a team wins it all, their players' stock rises (see Dwight Smith, and all of the Baltimore Ravens players of 2000), and if they put up stats and wins, but always fall short -- they'll still have fans holding out hope.
From a business stand-point, I'd say Manning. Manning played well on HORRIBLE teams. We don't know what Brady would/could do without the Pats.
VonErich Lives
08-23-2005, 12:11 PM
1) Bean we both keep saying the same thing, but you can respond and say it again so you get the last word... happy now? (doesn't mean I agree with you, just means tired of posting the same thing, over and over).
2) Had a FFB draft start today (totally forgot about it) anyway, at my pick had a choice of Owens or Moss, I took Moss. I'd still rather Owens on my team over Moss, but Moss has more to prove this year and should put up killer stats, like a player in a contract year.
Rain Man
08-23-2005, 01:37 PM
Brady
Manning.
Lets be honest here. Brady is great. He had talent and he runs that team really well , but Manning is nearing the point of being one of the best ever. I say nearing because he lacks that one thing which is a Superbowl. If Manning played on the Patriots for the last 4 years, I honestly believe the Patriots would have 4 straight superbowls. People knock Manning for not winning the big one , but fail to realize that its a team sport. Out of all the sports in the world its probably the most team oreinted. Manning hast had a great defense . He will this year tho as long as they are healthy. Basically if Manning and Brady switched teams. I dont think Brady could win a superbowl with the Colts. I dont think he could even make them competitive unless they overhauled the offensive scheme and simplified everything. The control Manning has over the offense. The reading of defenses at the line. Audibles that he calls that are brilliant. I go back to the game against San Diego when the Colts were pretty much getting handled and Manning brought them back ( Rhode had a huge kickoff ret for td too ). The specific play i remember was 4th and 4 with about 2 minutes to go on there own 30 and Dungy sent the punt team out and Manning told them to get off the field and basically told Dungy he was gunna go for it. Dungy pulled the punt team off the field and Manning completes a pass to Wayne. He then went on to break the td record and eventually win the game. I dont see Brady as that type of person. I dont see Brady as the field general. I see him as a leader among a team of leaders. Thats why i think the Pats have been so successful.
This year will be the most important in Mannings career. He has the best Defense he's ever had on his team. Every peice from last years Offense is in tact with the exception of Pollard and an O-linemen. There really isnt any excuses this year. This team should win the Superbowl, but if they cant beat the Pats... Tuff shit for Manning.
VonErich Lives
08-23-2005, 05:56 PM
I gotta be honest, my first reaction is "Manning". But then I try to think why..
A little quicker release, ok and Brady is a little more mobile.
Better accuracy? Dunno, stats show he has a better %, but is that a factor of the extra attempts he's had? Probably not so I'll give manning the nod.
I guess I give manning the nod in most categories, not by much mind you. Then the question becomes what the stats don't show (but the rings do) "Clutch" and with the exception of the 2nd half of that Saints game, Manning hasn't done it.
You could say "Brady has had better teams", might be true, but who has had a better offense.
With the exception of Dillon last year, have the Pats ever had a RB under Brady close to Edge?
Have they ever had a #1 WR close to Harrison?
Would the Pats have won 4 Superbowls with Manning? Dunno, what would manning have done that Brady didn't.
While my first reaction is "better player" and I'd say Manning the more I look at the non-stats stuff, I gotta say Brady.
Also, keep in mind (and this works both ways) Manning has been a full-time QB for 7yrs. Brady for 3 & 2/3.
As for Brady on the colts, as someone who has watched Brady the way you watched manning, you're way off. Brady reads defenses, calls audibles, and runs a 2min offense (clock managment and team control) as good or better then anyone in the league, his record in those situations speaks for itself.
VonErich Lives
08-23-2005, 06:50 PM
Manning played well on HORRIBLE teams.
That's one of my first thoughts, I hear Colts I don't see Shula and Unitas.
I see Ron Meyer, I see signing (I think it was) Marc Wilson after the Pats cut him, just to have him try and steal signals from accross the field during a game. I see Harbaugh coming up short, I see Eric Dickerson, I see Jim Mora having a breakdown on TV.
Then I decided to look at Mannings teams.
1998 his first year 3-13, and his stats reflected a 3-13 team, every stat tied or was the worst of his career.
1999 13-3, 11 wins in a row, won the AFC East, First round Bye, hosted and lost to the eventual AFC champs (Titans).
2000 10-6, first round playoff loss at Miami (had a 14-0 lead, lost 23-18 in OT)
2001 6-10. The end of the "Mora Era" or should we say "Plaaaaaaaayoffs? you're talking Plaaaaaaaaaaaaaayoffs?".
2002 10-6, lost to the Jets 41-0 in the first round.
2003 12-4, Crushed Denver round #1 41-10, Beat Kc in a shoot out 38-31 (in KC!) lost in NE 24-14
2004 12-4, Beat Denver round #1, lost in NE 20-3 rnd #2.
Dunno, doesn't seem like those teams were that bad.
VonErich Lives
08-23-2005, 06:51 PM
This year will be the most important in Mannings career. He has the best Defense he's ever had on his team. Every peice from last years Offense is in tact with the exception of Pollard and an O-linemen. There really isnt any excuses this year. This team should win the Superbowl, but if they cant beat the Pats... Tuff shit for Manning.
oh yeah, someone save this for me, just in case :)
AlphaBean
08-23-2005, 11:25 PM
That's one of my first thoughts, I hear Colts I don't see Shula and Unitas.
I see Ron Meyer, I see signing (I think it was) Marc Wilson after the Pats cut him, just to have him try and steal signals from accross the field during a game. I see Harbaugh coming up short, I see Eric Dickerson, I see Jim Mora having a breakdown on TV.
Then I decided to look at Mannings teams.
1998 his first year 3-13, and his stats reflected a 3-13 team, every stat tied or was the worst of his career.
1999 13-3, 11 wins in a row, won the AFC East, First round Bye, hosted and lost to the eventual AFC champs (Titans).
2000 10-6, first round playoff loss at Miami (had a 14-0 lead, lost 23-18 in OT)
2001 6-10. The end of the "Mora Era" or should we say "Plaaaaaaaayoffs? you're talking Plaaaaaaaaaaaaaayoffs?".
2002 10-6, lost to the Jets 41-0 in the first round.
2003 12-4, Crushed Denver round #1 41-10, Beat Kc in a shoot out 38-31 (in KC!) lost in NE 24-14
2004 12-4, Beat Denver round #1, lost in NE 20-3 rnd #2.
Dunno, doesn't seem like those teams were that bad.
The quality of the team isn't reflected by the record. With the best QB in the NFL, he will win some games for you. Just like Bettis, Faulk, Jamal Lewis, Corey Dillon, LT, Priest Holmes, they will win games for you. Granted, they won't win all the games for you, but they will keep you in the game, and give you the chance to win.
But then you reach the playoffs, and face the best teams at the most important time of the year, and that's the time that separates the good TEAMS, from the teams with good PLAYERS. And that is when the Colts machine is dissected, and shown for what it truly is: Not a great team, just has enough weapons to overcome all of its shortcomings all season until it matters (playoffs).
So like I said, we'll never know. If Manning had a better defense, he probably would be in a position to win more games.
MoRcHeEbA
08-24-2005, 03:27 AM
Eli Manning
Nervous Ferret
08-24-2005, 03:32 AM
2002 10-6, lost to the Jets 41-0 in the first round.
That's right :cool:
oh yeah, someone save this for me, just in case :)
I truely mean that. Our defense is a little knicked up in the preseason so far , but its the gunna be the best defense we've had in 10 years. Maybe more. There are no excuses basically.
Leave Captain Comeback out of this :\'(
Harbaugh freaking went into San Diego and won. Went to KC when they were truely a powerhouse home field advantage team and won ( Did he beat a Montana team that year? I forget, it was either Gannon, Bono, or Montana ) and then went into Three river stadium and damn near got to the Superbowl ( fuck that interception drop , fuck Lamont Warren not able to get a yard and fuck Aaron Bailey for not putting a finger on the gift that felll into his lap on the last play . I seriously went ape shit when i first saw that play . I thought for sure we were in the Superbowl. I think i actually cried when i saw the replay. One of the toughest moments as a Colts fan i've ever been through ).
As far as the playoff history, I cant argue. It sells its self , but please remember you are comparing Manning vs Brady. Not Colts vs Patriots. Brady didnt get those rings by himself and Manning wont do it either. That was a team deal. Between Manning and Brady. Manning is better. I know you will argue that but the stats dont lie. 49 touchdowns and 122 percent passing rating dont lie. Brady is great. If Brady played with the Colts weapons , he probably would put up amazing stats. I dont think he would touch Mannings stats, not because he isnt great in his own right , but Peyton Manning can reach another lvl that i dont think Brady can reach right now. Maybe never.
I cant argue the past tho when it comes to team accomplishments. I wish people would lay off Manning. There are two sides of the ball and the side he's on is always the best. If he had a defense that didnt give up 25 yard runs and 40 yard passes 3 times a game, he would've probably had a couple rings by now, but he doesnt. Its that simple. Brady has the rings. Brady gets the glory. Manning has to win one.
As a huge fan, I'm curious what the opinions of many people across the counrty are when Manning does win a Superbowl ring. There really seems to be a Manning bias i the media and with other people some on this board, because he hasnt won a ring. People really bash him for that. I wonder what people would say if he does win a ring this year. I cant wait for the moment cause i think alot of people wont know what to say.
This years Colts defense is gunna be really good. Manning has no excuses. This is the year he has to do it , or its gunna be tons of bias towards him. He could shut some people up this year.
But who cares what me and you ( Vel) think. Obviously we are gunna pick are boys.
AlphaBean
08-24-2005, 02:50 PM
The way our offensive line is shaping up (and more importantly, how Bennett is NOT), and how easily the Jets dominated our D, I'm really disappointed. All that money put into our team last year, and this is what comes of it: Nothing.
BCWWF
08-25-2005, 02:26 AM
Bring back David Dixon?
AlphaBean
08-25-2005, 02:42 AM
We fucking HAVE TO bring him back. He graded out as one of the best OL in the league last year, but for some reason we didn't bring him back. If we bring him back, LT Mount, LG Liewinski, C what's his name, RG Dixon, RT Rosie, :love: 20x better than it is now.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-25-2005, 02:00 PM
Ron Dayne is gonna tear it up in Denver
Ron Dayne is gonna tear it up in Denver
No he wont. Tatum Bell will.
OssMan
08-25-2005, 07:37 PM
Anybody who plays running back for Denver will tear it up. Bell will probably get more carries and Dayne will be used in certain situations or vice versa.
VonErich Lives
08-25-2005, 08:15 PM
The quality of the team isn't reflected by the record. With the best QB in the NFL, he will win some games for you. Just like Bettis, Faulk, Jamal Lewis, Corey Dillon, LT, Priest Holmes, they will win games for you.
True, but lets keep in mind he also had one of the best WR's and RB's, so it wasn't like he was carrying the team on his own.
But who cares what me and you ( Vel) think. Obviously we are gunna pick are boys.
You may feel that way, but if I really felt Manning was better I'd say so, but till he "wins the big one". He has the tools, but it's about the big games. Actually, Ron Wolf was on the radio today and they asked him who the best QB was and he said Brady, they said what about Manning and he said, Manning has incredible tools, but it comes down to who wins the big games, and Manning still hasn't done that.
I also have trouble buying the whole "It's the Defenses fault" simply because in those losses yes, the defense in some of those gave up a lot of points, but the offense did nothing, it's not like they lost 31 to 38. I'd like to see Manning get a ring at some point, while I still see him fold and look "whiney" under pressure, I kinda feel sorry for him, it's not like Marino who when things went bad started yelling at everyone, Manning looks upset and (sorry, "Whiney") but at himself not blaming his teammates.
No he wont. Tatum Bell will.
That would be my thought, and I haven't followed Denver closely, but how the heck is Mike Anderson now top the Depth chart? Talk about a horrible team to have a FFB RB from, 3 players capable of being a #1 back (Anderson, Bell, Griffen) and a wild card (convert him to a FB already) in Dayne.
el fregadero
08-25-2005, 11:51 PM
Matt Jones is gonna be Rookie of the Year this season.
Nervous Ferret
08-25-2005, 11:53 PM
yeah holy shit at his first quarter catch toniteee. Although Leftwich put it right there hotttt grab
FearedSanctity
08-25-2005, 11:55 PM
Mike Anderson is more than capable the being Denver's HB. He's proven that already. I do think he's better suited for the FB position though.
Doesn't matter. Because even if Anderson is Denver's starter Week 1, he most likely won't be come Week 17
el fregadero
08-26-2005, 12:04 AM
They've always got the reliable Maurice Clarett to fall back on.
el fregadero
08-26-2005, 12:04 AM
yeah holy shit at his first quarter catch toniteee. Although Leftwich put it right there hotttt grab
Sad thing is this is probably the only Jaguars game I will get to see all year, unless they make the playoffs.
Jerichoholic
08-26-2005, 01:27 AM
Belated, but Demarcus Ware :love:
BCWWF
08-26-2005, 02:12 AM
I am getting worried about the Vikings. A shaky offensive line just spells disaster. Birk is now out for three months in case you missed it.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-26-2005, 02:27 AM
Belated, but Demarcus Ware :love:
He looked real good on Monday Night. Still don't see the 'Boys making the playoffs though
Like FS said, even if Anderson is the starter in week 1, Bell will probably eventually take over (see Clinton Portis in '02). I think Dayne will end up getting some carries this season. He fits the one cut and go system perfectly.
Jerichoholic
08-26-2005, 03:18 AM
He looked real good on Monday Night. Still don't see the 'Boys making the playoffs though
Yeah, still too hard to say because until the season it is just alot of speculation that the moves they made looked really good, but we won't really know until we play. There is a lot of upside with the Cowboys right now, but nothing proven. It will be an interesting season.
Nervous Ferret
08-26-2005, 10:12 PM
LOL most fucked up Jets/Ginats game ever. Curtis is tearing shit up, Chad is choking in the redzone, Hasselbeck is burning the Jets defense. pretty odd game
FearedSanctity
08-26-2005, 10:34 PM
LOL, TO has 5 cathes for 131 yards
LOL T.O! How do the eagles not pay him after that shit. First play. I almost feel like Vince Mcmahon is behind this T.O story line.
OssMan
08-26-2005, 11:47 PM
lol anyone see that hit on Boller by Mickinnon
Gonzo
08-27-2005, 12:04 AM
How about Ward's hit on that punt returner for the Jets. Pretty mediocre offense on both team's parts. I mean c'mon, especially the Giants, terrible mistakes on offense. This is the god damn NFL for christ's sake.
OssMan
08-27-2005, 12:20 AM
lol five Giants field goals, two Jets fumble TDs, what?
Gonzo
08-27-2005, 01:09 AM
The Giants defense played spectacular I thought. I love the depth we have at all positions on the field. They did bend, but didn't break. Didn't give up an offensive touchdown or a field goal all game.
Nervous Ferret
08-27-2005, 01:26 AM
I think it was more the Jets being terrible in the redzone, I mean the Webster int. was just PEnny trying to force something that wasn't there, and it was just a retarded play on the Strahan int., they run that play ALL TIME TIME, inside the 5, literally EVERY time, it usually works well, but Chad just tried to force it again. And yeah Jay Feeley :(
Gonzo
08-27-2005, 01:30 AM
Two plays doesn't account for the rest of the game though.
Nervous Ferret
08-27-2005, 01:32 AM
The first quarter and a half the Jets went up and down on the Giants, only those 2 plays ruined their drives. The rest of the game though :shifty:
Nervous Ferret
08-27-2005, 01:48 AM
ok checking out ze drive stats and I was a bit wrong.
Jets 1st drive: Go 69 yards on 13 plays. 8.01 minute drive. Drive ends with Pennington trying to force a ball into the corner for Coles intercepted by Webster. I wouldn't exactly call that a "win" for the Giants. Jets should have gotten atleast a field goal out of it.
Jets 2nd drive: 3 yards on 3 plays. Drive ends on a fumble. I was eating dinner so I don't know if this was a bad snap or a sack or what. Either way good job by the G-Men.
Jets 3rd Drive: 3 and out. Good defense by the Giants.
Jets 4th drive: 3 plays for 24 yards. Pennington tries to force another ball in on the goal line, intercepted by Strahan. Dumb play by Penny. Should have been a TD.
And there was another drive where they ran they clock down I won't count that. Then they started taking starters out.
I retract my earlier statement of "they ran up and down on the Giants", but it really would have been a different story if Chad didn't try to force those 2 balls.
Gonzo
08-27-2005, 01:49 AM
Yeah I'm not the type of person to have a gripe over that. I wouldn't care if a team racked up 1000 yards in one game, as long as they don't score I'm happy.
Gonzo
08-27-2005, 01:50 AM
I'd call it a win if you get a turnover. Thats just me.
Nervous Ferret
08-27-2005, 01:53 AM
Normally I would agree, but it the preseason it's a different story.
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 02:00 AM
I know it's just the preseason, but this is how I like to see the AFC West...
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=afc align=middle><TD class=afc colSpan=6>AFC West </TD></TR><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>Team</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>T</TD><TD>PF</TD><TD>PA</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Denver (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/DEN)</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>46</TD><TD align=middle>35</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>San Diego (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/SD)</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>59</TD><TD align=middle>50</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kansas City (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/KC)</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>33</TD><TD align=middle>51</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oakland (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/OAK)</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>46</TD><TD align=middle>57</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Gonzo
08-27-2005, 02:21 AM
I love how T.O. is all over Sportscenter for scoring a fucking touchdown. God damn. He better damn well be able to even for all his off the field drama. He scores a TD in a preseason game and its plastered all over Sportscenter? Give me a break ESPN, get off this guy's jock. The bastard is thriving on all his coverage. I really am starting to hate ESPN even more these days.
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 02:30 AM
I didn't see it, but I would think it would be more for the stats (5 catches, 131 yds) than the TD. Especially for a preseason game. Also might have something to do with TO's contract situation, what with people saying he doesn't deserve a new one. I think that if he can continue to do this, a new contract should be done without question.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-27-2005, 02:46 AM
I love how T.O. is all over Sportscenter for scoring a fucking touchdown. God damn. He better damn well be able to even for all his off the field drama. He scores a TD in a preseason game and its plastered all over Sportscenter? Give me a break ESPN, get off this guy's jock. The bastard is thriving on all his coverage. I really am starting to hate ESPN even more these days.
Dude I know it overkill on TO but you gotta admit that was pretty ridiculous. First play back fucking 60+ yard touchdown pass. This whole 'T.O. story 'is real crazy, overplayed or not.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-27-2005, 03:12 AM
Patriots ruined the Packers tonight. Dillon had 2 TDs. Stiff armed the shit out of the Packers rookie safety:
http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/WIMG109082622_lower.jpg
Talked shit when some cornerback went low on him. He was fucking going nuts. Dillon is the man. Harrison knocked a motherfucker out too, Ellis Hobbs was running kicks back like it was his job. Dwight ran back a punt that got called back on a terrible holding call. Feeling real good about the Pats right now.
el fregadero
08-27-2005, 04:48 AM
lol Dillon it's just preseason, buddy.
el fregadero
08-27-2005, 04:48 AM
I love how T.O. is all over Sportscenter for scoring a fucking touchdown. God damn. He better damn well be able to even for all his off the field drama. He scores a TD in a preseason game and its plastered all over Sportscenter? Give me a break ESPN, get off this guy's jock. The bastard is thriving on all his coverage. I really am starting to hate ESPN even more these days.
Maybe, but T.O. is entertainment and isn't that what the E stands for in ESPN?
VonErich Lives
08-27-2005, 10:58 AM
lol Dillon it's just preseason, buddy.
True, but the 1st half was starters v. starters and at least the first qtr (the 2nd I half watched) the Pats pushed around the Packers D, looked like a good sign to me, I'm just wondering about branch.
VonErich Lives
08-27-2005, 10:58 AM
Hey, Steeeeeeeeeelers fans.
Bettis had a cramp or something, any news on when Staley is supposed to be back?
Mr. Monday Morning
08-27-2005, 11:08 AM
Not a Steelers fan but last I saw he's out for another 2 weeks at least, he might make it back for week 1, more likely 3-4
BCWWF
08-27-2005, 02:40 PM
The Packers could very well have the worst defense in the league, mind you
road doggy dogg
08-27-2005, 02:46 PM
Staley's supposed to be back by week 5, after their bye
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-27-2005, 02:57 PM
lol Dillon it's just preseason, buddy.The corner started going nuts when he tackled Dillon and Dillon got up and was like "hit me high motherfucker, hit me high" and the dude from the Packers was like "I dont gotta hit you high" over and over. Some how a microphone picked it up.
Aaron Rodgers didnt look too good last night either. Favre better not retire for a while.
AlphaBean
08-27-2005, 03:03 PM
Steelers don't need a HB dudes, they have Big Ben, the greatest QB of our time.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-27-2005, 03:15 PM
http://www.internet-nexus.com/images/pats_steelers_01.jpg
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/01/19/gallery.steelers.pats/steel06.jpg
VonErich Lives
08-27-2005, 03:50 PM
The Packers could very well have the worst defense in the league, mind you
I wouldn't go that far, but that's you're div so I'll take your word on it.
VonErich Lives
08-27-2005, 03:52 PM
Not a Steelers fan but last I saw he's out for another 2 weeks at least, he might make it back for week 1, more likely 3-4
Yeah, I've heard week 2, but what RDD said could be right, if the Bus looks good they'll keep him out till week 5, to make sure he's 100%.
I'm desperate for a #2 RB in a FFB draft, Staley is still on the board, figure if he gets to me (1 pick away) I'll grab him.
Mr. Monday Morning
08-27-2005, 04:26 PM
Just wishing I'd taken Arrington instead of Cedric fucking Benson :mad: :'( (this was like a month ago btw)
VonErich Lives
08-27-2005, 04:32 PM
Just wishing I'd taken Arrington instead of Cedric fucking Benson :mad: :'( (this was like a month ago btw)
Yeah, I don't do leagues that draft early. The easliest is this one I'm in now, but that's because it's an e-mail draft so it takes almost 2 weeks.
Otherwise the leagues I'm in draft the weekend before or sometimes the night before the first game.
Mr. Monday Morning
08-27-2005, 05:12 PM
Still got Deuce and Torry so it's all good.
Assuming New Orleans is even still there by first week.
BCWWF
08-27-2005, 05:48 PM
I wouldn't go that far, but that's you're div so I'll take your word on it.
It may not be the worst, but it really easilly could. They were real bad last year and didn't change too much. The other noteworthy poor defenses seemed to all make quite significant changes in the offseason.
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Denver ain't letting Indy do SHIT :love:
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 09:51 PM
YEEEESSSSSS, Walls forces the fumble on Wayne At around the DEN 10, ball goes out the endzone, touchback, Denver ball :love:
Sorry for the slight play by play, by the way
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 10:08 PM
Yeah, he just gets injured often
Reggie Reggie Reggie :love:
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 10:23 PM
Mike Mike Mike :love:
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 10:24 PM
I :heart: Lelie
Its gunna be a shoot out Feared
Manning still has 3 minutes.
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 10:25 PM
I like it that way kinda
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 10:26 PM
I hope Peyton plays into the 3rd atleast a little
I wanna see if Denver's D can recover
I drafted Lelie in a league =)
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 10:27 PM
Get ready for plenty of 30+ yard TDs then
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 10:37 PM
Bring on the.....Dolphins...
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 11:03 PM
DARRENT :love:
FearedSanctity
08-27-2005, 11:28 PM
Hey RP, what do you think was going through Walters mind when Burns came flying at him?
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-28-2005, 01:49 AM
Mike Andersons run :eek:
Also FearedSanctity..how old are you? 12? Your aviatar would probably be cool back in 7th grade.
FearedSanctity
08-28-2005, 01:53 AM
17, and you're the first one to not like it
Avatar, by the way
The Outlaw
08-28-2005, 02:12 AM
Yeah we aren't looking too sharp this year. :-\
Hmm, there were some reports going around that Peyton has a seperated shoulder. Don't know if it's true but Darrent did put a pretty good hit on him.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-28-2005, 03:44 AM
http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/CODZ101082722_lower.jpg
COUGHIN IT UP
Seriously tho I don't think Payton is hurt at all. They showed him talking and laughing with Plummer after the game
BCWWF
08-28-2005, 04:19 AM
I'm looking at the brunette in the back, the Broncos have babes as cheerleaders
Mr. Monday Morning
08-28-2005, 07:42 AM
Anderson & Lelie :love:
SammyG
08-28-2005, 08:01 AM
Kevin Curtis is gonna have a huge year for us
Nervous Ferret
08-28-2005, 04:26 PM
lambs suck
Nervous Ferret
08-28-2005, 04:26 PM
:)
VonErich Lives
08-28-2005, 04:34 PM
So, while I'm not a Jets fan, I acknowldge they have a good team the real question will be can they stay healthy.
It seems each year we wait for Curtis Martin to break down and he doesn't and it seems each year we expect Chad Pennington to be healthy the entire season and he isn't.
Does one of these two issues change this year?
BCWWF
08-29-2005, 12:20 AM
I have their defense on my fantasy team :p
Mr. Monday Morning
08-29-2005, 05:56 AM
Well it's about fucking time Cedric.
Now I have 3 genuine fantasy RBs again :love:
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-29-2005, 02:50 PM
Cedric should be intresting. Is he going to pull a Tomlinson and go nuts? Or is he not going to play at all. I think he is going to play right away, he was an NFL style back in college. His game is fit for the pros IMO.
Both Orton (named the starter yesterday) and Benson starting eventually? 2 rookies in the backfield, could be another long year for the Bears.
Mr. Monday Morning
08-29-2005, 04:15 PM
Yeah I've been reading some of the posts on the Bears site, most people seem to think he'll be in by week 4/5 at the latest. Although he's had the playbook with him since the draft so it might even be sooner. Obviously I hope that's the case :yes: Thomas Jones as a 16 game starter? :nono:
And with Orton having to go through trial by fire it's even more likely that they'll be running the ball heavily. Poor Moose :(
Orton could blow up. If the O-line holds. Bears could contend. Call me crazy, but Orton can run that team if he has time to drop back. There defense is healthier. They were bombed and depleated last year.
Not that it makes a difference. Will the Superdome be ready for Saints to play in when the season starts?
road doggy dogg
08-29-2005, 10:45 PM
Yeah I think the Bears' D is gonna be really under-rated this year. Not gonna be crazy Baltimore good or anything but I think they're gonna be decent
Gonzo
08-29-2005, 11:10 PM
Detroit looking pretty terrible on defense.
Gonzo
08-29-2005, 11:12 PM
No sooner than do I say that the Lions get a fumble recovery.
road doggy dogg
08-29-2005, 11:27 PM
They're playing like trash though. That 2nd TD, Bruce just ran right by Walker. wth. I dunno they look worse this game than they have all last season. Kind of terrible. It's like they don't know what to do when the opposing team blitzes.
Lotus
08-30-2005, 01:10 AM
Eh, just pre-season. I guess the Lions are considered a playoff team, though. I don't really see why though, besides their badass receivers. Still not sold on Joey H.
AlphaBean
08-30-2005, 01:16 AM
Orton could blow up. If the O-line holds. Bears could contend. Call me crazy, but Orton can run that team if he has time to drop back. There defense is healthier. They were bombed and depleated last year.
Another post to cement your status as a true NFL expert.
el fregadero
08-30-2005, 01:16 AM
Jeff Garcia was rockin the all black socks tonite.
AlphaBean
08-30-2005, 01:22 AM
Eh, just pre-season. I guess the Lions are considered a playoff team, though. I don't really see why though, besides their badass receivers. Still not sold on Joey H.
People have been "not sold" on Harrington since he came into the league. Shit, when he was drafted people wondered why he went #2. He was overrated in college, and hasn't done anything. He is a Jeff George QB without the arm. Something of a headcase, and absolutely no heart. That's why QBs like Garcia and Brady, et al, can come in and succeed far better. Will beats skill every time.
BCWWF
08-30-2005, 01:46 AM
I prefer Daunte
AlphaBean
08-30-2005, 02:34 AM
:roll: you would.
Eh, I'm not sold on that Daunte kid, either.
12-14 vs the Chargers? I've seen better.
Rain Man
08-30-2005, 04:31 PM
Did everyone already do their fantasy shit?
OssMan
08-30-2005, 06:59 PM
MOVE THE SAINTS TO WASHIGTON
Gonzo
08-30-2005, 07:06 PM
Pimp son my dad just bought 3 tickets to the Giants/Cardinals opening day. Joey Roxor and Dave Wadding, prepare to be 0-1.
OssMan
08-30-2005, 07:08 PM
we have season tickets :( cant go though :(
Gonzo
08-30-2005, 07:38 PM
Why wtf. Gonna be 2nd level.
OssMan
08-30-2005, 07:43 PM
Cause I live in gay Virginia. Look at my pictures thread, we have the most ridiculous seats. Fifth row...thirty yard line.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-30-2005, 07:59 PM
Rohan Davey and Dexter Reid got cut from the Patriots. Davey I feel bad for, he was a Patriots style of player but he isn't fit to be an NFL QB IMO. I think he would be better off in the CFL or something. He is probably going sign on as a 3rd stringer somewhere.
Dexter Reid I was surprised about but I guess a lot of media people where saying it was not that surprising. Hes been banking on what he did last year too much, playing in the Superbowl when Wilson got hurt, being 2nd on the depth chart for the majority of the season. I thought he would stick around for a special teams type guy. He runs around and hits people but he can't cover shit. Rookie James Sanders is already better then him, plus they have Guss Scott who they drafted last year and would have played ahead of him if it wasn't for an injury. Still tho I was surprised to see him gone, I am sure he was too.
Colts are talking with Corey Simon. Not sure how they could pay him. Probably wont happen.
BCWWF
08-30-2005, 08:23 PM
Is Davey the backup from USC?
VonErich Lives
08-30-2005, 08:42 PM
Is Davey the backup from USC?
No, he made the team, Matt Cassel.
He's looked really good.
Davey has great physical tools, just never could seem to hit the target, big guy, could run and a huge arm, but always overthrew his targets.
I would have liked to see him stay as a 3rd stringer just so they'd cut flutie... god it kills me that Flutie is on the team.
BCWWF
08-30-2005, 08:46 PM
He did catch that foul ball though
AlphaBean
08-30-2005, 09:26 PM
Pimp son my dad just bought 3 tickets to the Giants/Cardinals opening day. Joey Roxor and Dave Wadding, prepare to be 0-1.
LOL they do that every year.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-31-2005, 03:56 AM
Peter Warrick and Price also released. I wonder where these dudes are going to end up.
Warrick I think could still be very good, dunno about Price. Eagles might need some help at wideout, I know they got T.O and 2 rookies right now.
Gonzo
08-31-2005, 01:31 PM
Price flourished in Buffalo because they had Eric Moulds. Unless Price goes somewhere where there is a solid #1, he won't perform like he did in Buffalo.
BCWWF
08-31-2005, 04:35 PM
ie Philadelphia
VonErich Lives
08-31-2005, 05:26 PM
ie Philadelphia
Philly would be a great home for price.
Word is the Pats tried to trade for Warrick before he was cut, he's now trying out for seattle.
There's also word the Pats have been in contact with price.
Is it me, or are the Pats really, really, unhappy with their WR's or something?
el fregadero
08-31-2005, 05:29 PM
Dunno why they would be. They are good enough to make Brady look decent.
Mr. Monday Morning
08-31-2005, 05:43 PM
Price is meant to be or have been with Dallas as well, since Dallas = Bledsoe.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-31-2005, 08:29 PM
Dunno why they would be. They are good enough to make Brady look decent.Yea only reason Brady looks decent is because of the wide recievers and the people he has around him.
Has nothing to do with Brady being good.
VonErich Lives
08-31-2005, 09:03 PM
Yea only reason Brady looks decent is because of the wide recievers and the people he has around him.
Has nothing to do with Brady being good.
Yeah, I do get a kick how people talk about the Pats offense always making Brady "look good".
He's never had a team around him like that. No top stars except Dillon last year.
Antowain Smith, Kevin Faulk, David Patten, Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch.
Think any of them make the HOF?
Probably not. (although, Branch is still young, so it's possible).
Those were his top Rushers and Rec from 2001-2004 (not including Dillon)
VonErich Lives
08-31-2005, 09:04 PM
Price is meant to be or have been with Dallas as well, since Dallas = Bledsoe.
Glenn, Keyshaun and Price... great, 3 WR who rack up yards but never find the endzone...
Oakland Vs New England should be a excellent game to kick the season off. I think i'll go to the bar for that one. Oakland has a shot. I'm intrested in seeing what Belichek does against the Oakland recievers.
road doggy dogg
08-31-2005, 11:28 PM
Dunno why they would be. They are good enough to make Brady look decent.
That is the most retarded thing you've ever said
road doggy dogg
08-31-2005, 11:30 PM
I already did, if ou didn't notice
I already did, if ou didn't notice
Raging Dingdongs?
road doggy dogg
08-31-2005, 11:35 PM
List some grimey lyrics
Dont click that. Its horrible.
Is Roy Williams gunna be worth a damn this year?
el fregadero
09-01-2005, 12:00 AM
I dunno, other than being "cool, calm, and collected" I don't think Brady is anything to brag home about. Then again, I think Byron Leftwich is going to be the greatest quarterback ever, so I might be mistaken.
Jerichoholic
09-01-2005, 12:03 AM
Glenn, Keyshaun and Price... great, 3 WR who rack up yards but never find the endzone...
Thats what Witten and Jones are for.
road doggy dogg
09-01-2005, 12:08 AM
Is Roy Williams gunna be worth a damn this year?
He was last year, dunno why that'd change?
BCWWF
09-01-2005, 12:53 AM
He was fucking sweet last year
Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-01-2005, 11:36 AM
I dunno, other than being "cool, calm, and collected" I don't think Brady is anything to brag home about. Then again, I think Byron Leftwich is going to be the greatest quarterback ever, so I might be mistaken.
How about being a QB on a team with no probowlers on offense and winning the Superbowl? You think the guys around Brady make him look good? I think Brady makes the guys around him look good.
I think people forget the Patriots where 14 point underdogs in the first Superbowl againest the Rams.
HOLY SHIT!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2148712
I dont know where we got the money from, but fucking YES!
Corey Simon might be the piece that puts us over. No joke. You thought Freeney , Raegor, and Mathis were fast then. Wait til Simon gets in the middle and starts rushing up field. Wow this is gunna be great. I hope he passes the physical. I havent heard any reason why he wouldnt.
Nervous Ferret
09-01-2005, 06:35 PM
LOl, I was just about to post:
Rectal Pertruder is probably gunna say Simon is going to be the thing that "fiinally" gets them over
Gonzo
09-01-2005, 06:40 PM
Every piece is the piece that should put them over right? :roll:
Nervous Ferret
09-01-2005, 06:41 PM
exactly
VonErich Lives
09-01-2005, 07:17 PM
I dunno, other than being "cool, calm, and collected" I don't think Brady is anything to brag home about. Then again, I think Byron Leftwich is going to be the greatest quarterback ever, so I might be mistaken.
umm... well.. never mind, not worth it... :p
VonErich Lives
09-01-2005, 07:18 PM
Every piece is the piece that should put them over right? :roll:
yep, wonder if they don't win it all who RP blames this year...
MoRcHeEbA
09-01-2005, 08:57 PM
I always thought the only thing good about indy's defense was the D-line JUST ME THOUGH.
AlphaBean
09-01-2005, 09:59 PM
A 3-4 end, way to go Colts. Well teams, just keep running up the middle.
el fregadero
09-02-2005, 12:36 AM
How about being a QB on a team with no probowlers on offense and winning the Superbowl? You think the guys around Brady make him look good? I think Brady makes the guys around him look good.
I think people forget the Patriots where 14 point underdogs in the first Superbowl againest the Rams.
Maybe that's it. He makes them look so good that they make him look good.
BCWWF
09-02-2005, 12:38 AM
How come he was let go from Phily?
Crimson
09-02-2005, 12:43 AM
He was holding out i think for more money, like TO.
Indy's defense will defeniatley improve on the d-line, and their secondary is full of young studs like Doss,Sanders, and Jackson. The Colts WILL get over the hump eventually i think.
BCWWF
09-02-2005, 12:46 AM
Kind of a random post, but does anybody get ESPN magazine? There was a picture of Donovan Darius doing some workout and he is so fucking unbelievably ripped it is quite unbelievable.
I always thought the only thing good about indy's defense was the D-line JUST ME THOUGH.
We have great ability to get after the QB. We've lacked a run stopper in the middle. Simon can do both. Stop the run and sack the QB. Are secondary is nice if healthy. We need a pro bowl caliber LB. Thorton is decent, but not pro bowl material. The Colts have never had a pro bowl linebacker that i can recall.
A 3-4 end, way to go Colts. Well teams, just keep running up the middle.
He's a DT. Pro bowl DT.
Hey fuck all of you. I'm fucking shitting bricks here. My team is notorious for not signing defensive free agents and ignoring the defense letting decent players go. Now they go out and sign a Pro Bowl defensive tackle. You god damn right i'm happy.
It should worry every AFC team . One of the best teams in the league just got better. Everyone questions there defense and say thats what might keep the Colts from the superbowl. Well guess what. They just got better IMO. Lots of questions were answered with this signing. So yes i'm excited. :yes:
Yeah, the lack of a run stopper was obvious when Mike Anderson went right up the gut for 93 yards.
That and the fact that about 7 defensive starters didnt play. Including the whole starting D line.:roll:
We have great ability to get after the QB. We've lacked a run stopper in the middle. Simon can do both. Stop the run and sack the QB. Are secondary is nice if healthy. We need a pro bowl caliber LB. Thorton is decent, but not pro bowl material. The Colts have never had a pro bowl linebacker that i can recall.
I lied. Duane Bickett 1987
road doggy dogg
09-02-2005, 03:38 PM
This kid is even better than Yash
road doggy dogg
09-03-2005, 12:13 AM
lol Garcia's likely out for the season
OssMan
09-03-2005, 01:07 AM
lol check this out. Really sucks for the Saints.
NEW YORK (AP) -- The New Orleans Saints (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/saints), driven from the Superdome by Hurricane Katrina, will play their home opener against the New York Giants (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/giants) at Giants Stadium.
Full Article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/09/02/bc.fbn.katrina.saints.game.ap/index.html
gonna get booed at a "home" game :(
I do not understand why they picked Giants Stadium though. I mean, they could have picked any other stadium as far away from New Orleans. It is just going to mess things up because two teams play there
AlphaBean
09-03-2005, 01:37 AM
HEY THE MIZ.
SUCK ON THAT.
lol, yeah a preseason last-second FG win. :love:
That was a pretty uneventful game I think. Except that awesome pick by someone on the Vikes' first drive. Like, nobody can ever pick off Pep unless they do some crazy shit like that. Who was it? Someone tell me.
Rain Man
09-03-2005, 01:54 AM
Did the Superdome always look like that or was that after Katrina? Like the dome part is all fucked up I'm guessing from the storm.
AlphaBean
09-03-2005, 03:01 AM
No, it's one of those "throw-back" or "oldschool" domes, trying to look like a dome from the 15th century.
MoRcHeEbA
09-03-2005, 03:10 AM
lol @ the kick at the end of the vikings game
AlphaBean
09-03-2005, 03:14 AM
It reminded me of that long-ass Gary Anderson kick at the end of the Dolphins game a few years back, the one that knocked them out of field goal contention. :love:
That was Kelly Herndon and i think that was one of the best interceptions i've ever seen.
AlphaBean
09-03-2005, 10:08 AM
That, and the fly pattern to the end zone by Burleson that had no chance, were the two plays of Herndon's that I saw. Fuck, the dude looks like a player. Undrafted FA CBs don't usually end up being awesome. How did he ever slip through the cracks? And why did stupid Denver let him go? They're not big fans of cornerbacks are they? Or do they think Champ Bailey can cover all of the receivers at once?
FearedSanctity
09-03-2005, 03:50 PM
I do think Denver should've kept Herndon. But I think they're fine with Bailey, Walls, Williams, Paymah, Foxworth and Alexander
VonErich Lives
09-03-2005, 06:02 PM
My team is notorious for not signing defensive free agents and ignoring the defense letting decent players go.
Remember when they had #1 & #2 and took two defensive players, Entman and Coryatt.
By the way, last 10 yrs, 5 of the last first picks have been defense (2004, they didn't have a 1st round pick)
3 of the last 5 were Defense.
So, I wouldn't say it's ignored. The offense is just so good people assume they haven't done anything for defense.
FearedSanctity
09-03-2005, 07:44 PM
:lol: , Broncos cut Quentin Griffin
They cut Mario Fatafehi too :'(
Remember when they had #1 & #2 and took two defensive players, Entman and Coryatt.
By the way, last 10 yrs, 5 of the last first picks have been defense (2004, they didn't have a 1st round pick)
3 of the last 5 were Defense.
So, I wouldn't say it's ignored. The offense is just so good people assume they haven't done anything for defense.
Did you just totally not read what i typed? You quoted it so i assume you read it.
I clearly said they are notorius for not signing FREE AGENT defensive players. When i say ignoring the defense. I mean via free agency. I know all the players they've drafted. Bob Sanders, Marlin Jackson, Freeny, Mathis, Doss. Good solid players. All drafted.
What i was saying was that they have never even seriously persued a big time defensive free agent . Simon is without a doubt the biggest signee on the defensive side of the ball the Colts have ever had.
Rain Man
09-04-2005, 12:25 PM
Eagles waived Hugh Douglas, and Jon Ritchie. Sord of surprised on that. Since Mcdougle is out for a little I thought they would of atleast kept Hugh around. And Jon Ritchie was a little bit of a surprise also. Josh Parry the back up fullback played basically all of last season because Ritchie got hurt but I thought Ritchie was much better.
The Eagles picked up McCants though..:yes: They turned their Wide Reciever group around big time which is huge. TO, McCants and I'm guessing the last spot is between Lewis or Reggie Brown.
Gonzo
09-04-2005, 12:44 PM
I'm highly optimistic about my Giants this year. Hoping we get at least 8-8.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-04-2005, 02:46 PM
Pats cut David Terrell which was kinda surprising but I guess they had to cut somebody. They had so many wideouts it was ridiculous. Kyle Eckle too :(
Gonzo
09-04-2005, 03:10 PM
Yeah they were saying he wasn't 100% on the team during their preseason game with the Giants. The Giants ended up cutting Jesse Palmer, Kevin Lewis and a bunch of other guys that would have just been depth.
MoRcHeEbA
09-04-2005, 04:21 PM
The Bachelor :(
road doggy dogg
09-04-2005, 09:27 PM
Lions made their cuts today too... only surprising name was Chris Cash, but I guess with McQuarters in town they didn't really need Cash. He was decent though, they should've kept him. oh wellz
MoRcHeEbA
09-04-2005, 09:49 PM
detroit is gay
road doggy dogg
09-04-2005, 09:53 PM
Winnipeg Jets
Rain Man
09-05-2005, 12:36 AM
Fuck yeah the Eagles just picked up Lamar Gordon...:yes: Its good to atleast see the Eagles making some moves with Buckhalter out they bring in Gordon and Pinkston out bringing in McCants.
LOL just read Freddy Mitchell got waived by the Chiefs. He is still the man though
AlphaBean
09-05-2005, 01:48 AM
Cya Cletidus Huntttttttttttt. :wave:
el fregadero
09-05-2005, 01:48 AM
Pats cut David Terrell which was kinda surprising but I guess they had to cut somebody. They had so many wideouts it was ridiculous. Kyle Eckle too :(
P.K. Sam :(
Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-05-2005, 02:17 AM
I think I saw P.K. Sam play one game the entire time he played for the Patriots
el fregadero
09-05-2005, 02:18 AM
Must have been the one game I watched (not including the playoffs). Also, it was only one season and he was injured.
Still have him on my Madden team though. :cool:
BCWWF
09-05-2005, 03:00 AM
C.J. Mosley has made the Vikings, and it looks like Damien Nash made the Titans too. There's quite a few Mizzou guys on NFL teams now. Brad Smith and Jason Simpson will be next year.
VonErich Lives
09-05-2005, 07:44 AM
LOL just read Freddy Mitchell got waived by the Chiefs. He is still the man though
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
They call me "Fred-X" cause I'm an "X" nfl player!
AlphaBean
09-05-2005, 11:39 AM
Nah, freal, Freddie's gonna end up working for FedEx as a marketing scheme. "Former NFL Star Freddie Mitchell, delivering your videos!"
Anyway, as far as Gophers in the NFL... Middlebrooks got cut. :'( Tellis Redmon got cut... Jermaine Mays... Ron Johnson was cut a few days ago... no love for Gophers alumni. I mean shit, what's up with Thomas Tapeh? The Eagles cut their starting Fullback, and need a bruiser HB, yet they still refuse to look at Tapeh. He's the man. Seriously. Stupid Eagles.
VonErich Lives
09-05-2005, 01:10 PM
Nah, freal, Freddie's gonna end up working for FedEx as a marketing scheme. "Former NFL Star Freddie Mitchell, delivering your videos!"
Think they'll include "drop" insurance?
BCWWF
09-05-2005, 02:12 PM
Barber won't last either.
That tight end who was signed by Rectal's a few years back was supposed to be amazing though..what happened to him?
FearedSanctity
09-05-2005, 02:30 PM
Jerry Rice retired :'(
AlphaBean
09-05-2005, 02:58 PM
Barber won't last either.
That tight end who was signed by Rectal's a few years back was supposed to be amazing though..what happened to him?
Barber is amazing. YOU won't last. ROFL@ Mosley though. Never gonna fuckin' play. Ever. He's horrible.
But Ben Utecht I saw was the Colts' long snapper on a punt that was almost blocked, or was blocked, or something? Can't remember. But yea, long snapper wtf. He's a pass-catching TE you fags.
But LOL@ Vikings getting rid of all of their tight ends. At least they still got Richard Owens I think. :love:
Rain Man
09-05-2005, 03:27 PM
Stupid Eagles.
Stupid You
They just got Gordon from the Dolphins and that is better than signing Dorsey Levens again for god sakes.
Ben Hartsock out played him, but i think both will get time in the two tight end sets with Dallas Clark. Its one of the main formations for the COlts. Utecht wont be the long snapper. Justin Snow has had that job wrapped up for 2 years.
road doggy dogg
09-05-2005, 09:10 PM
K-Rob to the Vikes... no reply from BCWWF yet? :p
VonErich Lives
09-05-2005, 09:51 PM
Barber is amazing. YOU won't last. ROFL@ Mosley though. Never gonna fuckin' play. Ever. He's horrible.
But Ben Utecht I saw was the Colts' long snapper on a punt that was almost blocked, or was blocked, or something? Can't remember. But yea, long snapper wtf. He's a pass-catching TE you fags.
But LOL@ Vikings getting rid of all of their tight ends. At least they still got Richard Owens I think. :love:
Let's see if Tiki does as well as he did last year or "comes back to earth".
We all remember this discussion from last year and know where my money is. (He'll have a good year, but not the year he had last year... but the key will be if he can hold onto the ball again, if he's cured his fumble issues for good, he'll be a totally different player and I'll be the first to say "I was wrong")
BCWWF
09-05-2005, 09:55 PM
What was that brought up last year, like he could only bench like 200 pounds or something?
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