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Gonzo
03-14-2006, 01:38 AM
Sean Taylor might be a huge D-bag but he can play some football. I haven't heard anything about the charges, prob got out of them tho cuz he is rich.

Thats what I suspected as well. No doubt he is a great football player, I even wanted the Giants to draft him. Given what he has done off the field I am glad that we didn't.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-14-2006, 01:42 AM
Even though he has a lot of problems off the field, he seems to have a lot of passion for the game on the field. I've heard a lot of good things about his work ethic and shit like that. Only bad thing i've heard about him work wise was when he didn't go to the optional Redskins off season work outs, instead deciding to stay in Miami and work out there. That isn't even that bad really, since he was just working out in a different place. The spitting incident was pretty bad but that was just his emotions getting to him. I'd much rather have a nutbag like him on my team then a guy like TO. TO's off the field issues led to on the field disturbances and really ruin the whole team, while Taylor's problems only effect him for the most part.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-14-2006, 02:52 AM
Akin Ayodele signed with the Cowboys

Scott Fujita signed with the Saints

Brian Finneran is staying in Atlanta

Antonio Bryant signed with the 49ers

AlphaBean
03-14-2006, 09:13 AM
Giants also signed some safety named Quentin Harris....who was Arizona's special teams gunner the past 2 years....this better not mean anything about Tyree

Chad Morton also got a 4-year deal to pad out the special teams for the long term. Tim Hasselbeck got a 3-year deal....which isn't bad but I was hoping they'd get a more proven backup like Fiedler in case Eli has a terrible game

Eric Moulds has also officially asked the Bills for his release.......I'd like to see the Giants take a run at him if they still have the cap room. If necessary get rid of Petitgout.

Three team deal: Culpepper to the Packers, Walker to the Bills, Moulds to MN.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-14-2006, 01:38 PM
Orrrrrr...Culpepper to the Dolphins for a 2nd round pick

Supreme Olajuwon
03-14-2006, 02:30 PM
Brees and N'awlins agreed to a 6 year deal

D Mac
03-14-2006, 03:05 PM
John Kitna is going to the Detroit Lions.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-14-2006, 03:11 PM
Titans signed David Givens and Kevin Mawae

BCWWF
03-14-2006, 03:11 PM
This is what I don't get. The Saints were pretty much a lock to draft Leinart, so this messes everything up. I assumed that Brees would sign with the Vikings once Daunte was traded. So now the Saints have a one-time Pro Bowl quarterback and a dominant rookie at their fingertips, while the Vikings are left with Brad Johnson.

I guess that's what happens when you start booing a guy after an MVP season and cheering for an average joe. Maybe we'll draft Brad Smith now :shifty:

Mr. Monday Morning
03-14-2006, 03:17 PM
Vikings could still trade up to #2

weather vane
03-14-2006, 04:12 PM
CULPEPPER TO DOLPHINS THANK GOD!!! We finally have a fucking quarterback! Lets rebuild that D and get a lineman and we should be golden.

UmbrellaCorporation
03-14-2006, 04:15 PM
YES, CULPEPPER TO DOLPHINS. WHOOOOOOO.

And Givens to TITANS. WHOOOOOO. (Titans are my home team, if you haven't seen it by now. Go Tennessee. :D)

Keyshawn Johnson was also released from the Cowboys, and T.O. has been officially released from Philadelphia. Does this mean we'll see T.O. in DALLAS?

RP
03-14-2006, 05:12 PM
I'm starting to fear the Titans. Not this year tho. But its a fact that they will draft Leinart. He'll be good in a couple of years.

Supreme Olajuwon
03-14-2006, 05:17 PM
Lavar has been hanging out with the Bengals management today. I dunno my feelings on him but if Lewis wants him back then go for it.

UmbrellaCorporation
03-14-2006, 05:18 PM
I'm booking on that too, RP. Not sure how they'll do this year. I'm HOPING they're playoff bound, but I have my doubts. But if they get Leinart (which is pretty much a certainty imo), they might go from being a sucky team to a good one.

As much as they've sucked the past couple of years, I still love 'em. Among a few other teams, but still, y'know. Hometown and all that.

Arnold HamNegger
03-14-2006, 08:15 PM
John Kitna is going to the Detroit Lions.

I'm so pissed off right now. I'm a huge Lions fan and was gonna vent on how the Lions seemed to show NO INTEREST in signing Culpepper or Brees. Then I find out they signed Kitna? Damnit, they already signed a douchebag back up in Shaun King this offseason. Both are slated to be backups for Joey....JOEY! Why is he still in Detroit!?!?! I must be a sadomasochist to continue loving this team....:nono:

Evil Vito
03-14-2006, 11:26 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Good to hear the Giants re-signed Bob Whitfield. If we had to cut the Man of 1,000 Penalties I'd be more than comfortable with him starting at LT</font>

DrA
03-14-2006, 11:32 PM
I'm so pissed off right now. I'm a huge Lions fan and was gonna vent on how the Lions seemed to show NO INTEREST in signing Culpepper or Brees. Then I find out they signed Kitna? Damnit, they already signed a douchebag back up in Shaun King this offseason. Both are slated to be backups for Joey....JOEY! Why is he still in Detroit!?!?! I must be a sadomasochist to continue loving this team....:nono:

Well, they seem to have confidence on Joey Harrington, so why spend tons of money on a quarterback, especially ones that are coming off rather significant injuries?

If Harrington bombs/gets injured the Lions will at least have a veteran guy to go back on.

And the NFL is not like a game of Madden. You can't just say, "Oooh, this guy threw for so and so yards and this many touchdowns, so he's going to make my team a Super Bowl contender!" There are a lot of things that have to be put into consideration beforehand.

Joey Slugs
03-15-2006, 01:43 AM
I'm so pissed off right now. I'm a huge Lions fan and was gonna vent on how the Lions seemed to show NO INTEREST in signing Culpepper or Brees. Then I find out they signed Kitna? Damnit, they already signed a douchebag back up in Shaun King this offseason. Both are slated to be backups for Joey....JOEY! Why is he still in Detroit!?!?! I must be a sadomasochist to continue loving this team....:nono:

If I were you (which, no offense, i'm glad i'm not... i can't stand the lions) I would look up Kitna's stats from his last full season and then compare that to what Harrington has done in... I don't know... maybe ever... before you start freaking out.

Nevermind. I'll do the research for you....

Jon Kitna (2003 - Last year as Bengals starter)
16 GS, 520 A, 324 C, 62.3%, 3591 YDS, 26 TD, 15 INT

Joey Harrington (2004 - Best year as Lions starter)
16 GS, 489 A, 274 C, 56.0%, 3047 YDS, 19 TD, 12 INT

Kitna is a much needed veteran upgrade over what you have now. Be happy with it.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-15-2006, 02:48 AM
Also, it's Mike Martz. So this year will be entertaining in some form or another at least.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-15-2006, 12:09 PM
Givens :( I wonder if his TD streak in the playoffs will continue.

I can't believe the Dolphins got Culpepper, that sucks. AFC East will probably be pretty tough now, they got a good combo with him and Ronnie Brown. What's the latest on Ricky Williams? Did he end up reversing that decision or what? I wouldn't be surprised if they waived it because I think he only failed it becuase he no showed, not because he actually failed due to taking drugs. Also, what is the status on Culpepper himself..he is going to be ready to play next year or what?

Should be interesting to see what is going to happen in the draft now too, I saw a few mock drafts that didn't have AJ Hawk being the first defensive player off the board. I found that kind of ridiculous, the guy was an absolute beast in college, plus his combine numbers where pretty ridiculous (4.38 40 yard dash time and 40 inch vertical leap)

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-15-2006, 12:13 PM
Speaking of defenders in the draft, Mathias Kiwanuka from Boston College has been really dropping it seems. During the season I heard a lot about how he might even crack the top 10, but now I've seen a few mock drafts with him out of the first round. The majority of them had him in the late 1st though. He is a crazy athlete (One of my buddies plays at BC, and he said they where playin a pick up game of hoops one day and Kiwi dunked it from the free throw line haha) but he really kind of had a down year this past season (except for that one game where he had 5 sacks)

Arnold HamNegger
03-15-2006, 12:35 PM
If Harrington bombs/gets injured the Lions will at least have a veteran guy to go back on.


If.....IF? He's been a bomb from day one! The fact that he's still their #1 guy and that Millen is still the GM shows me that they have no interest in winning. Although, it doesn't really matter. Detroit is the black hole for talented quarterbacks. They haven't had a Pro-Bowl quarterback since 1979.

Kitna is a much needed veteran upgrade over what you have now. Be happy with it.

Yeah, great...maybe we can "upgrade" to 6-10 this season. Kitna is better than Joey, but that's like saying my cooking is better than a flaming pile of dog shit.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-15-2006, 12:53 PM
I really think Martz coming out and saying Harrington is his guy was huge for his confidence. With the Kitna signing though, his confidence is probably shot again. I think that has been Harrington's biggest problem. Kitna can produce though, Kitna brought the Bengals to 8-8 after they were awful for a long ass time. Only reason he lost his starting job was because of some guy named Carson Palmer, not because he was playing bad or something. It's really the best the Lions could do here. The Vikings weren't going to trade Culpepper to another team in their own division and I think signing Brees would have been a bad move because their is still a chance Harrington could pan out. Plus I think Saints overpaid Brees by a lot aswell.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-15-2006, 01:02 PM
Brees is only getting $10m the first year, same as he would've gotten if he'd been franchised. Most of his money comes after that, by which time he might be cut.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-15-2006, 01:46 PM
10 millon dollars is a lot for a guy coming off of shoulder surgery. The Chargers didnt feel he was worth 10 mil, that's why they didn't franchise him.

Supreme Olajuwon
03-15-2006, 02:06 PM
If I'm a Lions fan I'm pretty excited about this offseason. I mean you've got the guy who made Kurt Warner an MVP and the guy who mentored Carson Palmer both teaching Joey Harrington what they know. Couldn't hurt

Supreme Olajuwon
03-15-2006, 02:07 PM
not to mention both of those QBs thrived on offenses pretty similar to Detroit's

Mr. Monday Morning
03-15-2006, 02:32 PM
10 millon dollars is a lot for a guy coming off of shoulder surgery. The Chargers didnt feel he was worth 10 mil, that's why they didn't franchise him.

Yeah true but it just puts the deal into perspective a little bit. It's a 6 year contract that could be done after 1. Plus you have to figure the Chargers GM wants Rivers starting at one point since he was the guy who drafted him - pretty sure Schottenheimer wanted Brees to stay.

McDoogle
03-15-2006, 02:36 PM
Garcia signed with the Eagles.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-15-2006, 02:37 PM
NFL agent Dante DiTrapano, whose one and only client is Raiders receiver Randy Moss, was arrested in St. Petersburg, Florida on Tuesday for possession of crack cocaine

rofl

D Mac
03-15-2006, 02:43 PM
Mike Martz sucks. Just thought I'd fill you in.

Evil Vito
03-15-2006, 02:43 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Giants sign safety Will Demps for 5 years, adding even more depth to the revamped secondary

He'd better be good though....otherwise there will be gay jokes aplenty</font>

http://www.willdemps.com/commerce/askme/askme.asp

Arnold HamNegger
03-15-2006, 02:43 PM
If I'm a Lions fan I'm pretty excited about this offseason. I mean you've got the guy who made Kurt Warner an MVP and the guy who mentored Carson Palmer both teaching Joey Harrington what they know. Couldn't hurt

True, if Joey doesn't flourish under Martz...then there's the door. I wonder when the first "Kitna" chant is gonna start? Say, snap #2 of the first preseason game? More than Martz, I'm excited about the defensive co-ordinator Detroit got from Tampa. The D played well for a while last season, but they got tired. It be nice to have an offense that can stay on the field longer.

RP
03-15-2006, 03:09 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Giants sign safety Will Demps for 5 years, adding even more depth to the revamped secondary

He'd better be good though....otherwise there will be gay jokes aplenty</font>

http://www.willdemps.com/commerce/askme/askme.asp


Get off of it. That guy is sex.

RP
03-15-2006, 03:10 PM
NFL agent Dante DiTrapano, whose one and only client is Raiders receiver Randy Moss, was arrested in St. Petersburg, Florida on Tuesday for possession of crack cocaine

rofl


I'm faxing my resume to Randy Moss right now.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-15-2006, 03:50 PM
Uhoh

In a Wednesday column from Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com, Kowalski predicted that Lions quarterback Joey Harrington "might be ready to move on."

As it turns out, he already is.

We've heard this afternoon that Harrington has asked the team to either trade him or release him, and that the team will accommodate his request before a significant roster bonus comes due on June 15.

Not long ago, new coach Rod Marinelli and new offensive coordinator Mike Martz publicly embraced Harrington, with Martz promising to strip Harrington down and build him back up. We're told that Martz and Marinelli weren't too pleased with what they saw from Harrington during recent workouts with Martz, which prompted the team to sign Jon Kitna, who specifically was told that he'd have a shot to compete for the starting job in Detroit.

Though it's not clear whether Harrington specifically was informed of the promise made to Kitna, Harrington is surely smart enough to realize that if Kitna wanted to be a backup he could have stayed in Cincinnati.

Bottom line -- Harrington has made it known he wants out, and the team is ready to make it happen.

The development likely will be viewed as a positive thing in the locker room. We're told that one of the Lions offensive lineman recently assessed the situation by saying, "We want the f---ker out."

RP
03-15-2006, 04:19 PM
Detroit Lions trade troubled QB and pick to Jets


By JON KRAWCZYNSKI, AP Sports Writer
March 16, 2006

AP - Mar 16, 3:34 pm EST
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Detroit got rid of troubled quarterback Joey Harrington only hours after he asked to be traded. The New York Jets traded their number 4 pick to the Detroit Lions for Joey Harrington and the number 9 pick. " I think we got a Pro Bowl quarterback and a top 10 pick out of the deal " said Eric Mangini. " This kid could win us some Superbowls. Not next year or the year after. I'm talking this year fellas. He's good" said Mangini.

Detroit was satisfied with recieving the number 4 pick and getting rid of what they thought might be a team distraction. " Its hard for me to get rid of a player that i hand picked myself. I thought the world of Joey. He had a great arm, great legs, pretty eyes. Its tough letting go, but the Lions organization must move on" said Matt Millen. Millen may have tipped his hand later on in the day during his reaction with the media. " Theirs alot of options we have with the number 2 pick overall in the draft. Right now i really like Santonio Holmes from OSU".



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Mr. Monday Morning
03-15-2006, 04:37 PM
Ferret :'(

RoXer
03-15-2006, 05:21 PM
lol A First Round 4th pick?

lol

DaveWadding
03-15-2006, 05:28 PM
LOLLLLLLLLLL. That's a good one.

Arnold HamNegger
03-15-2006, 06:56 PM
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

This is the best move by Detroit in a long time!!!!! A #4 pick, what are the Jet's thinking? No complaints here, but damn that doesn't make sense. Of course now, being the eternal pessimist Lion fan...they will draft Vince Young and turn him into the next Andre Ware ;)

OssMan
03-15-2006, 07:01 PM
yer all dum!

RP
03-15-2006, 07:19 PM
Nigga said Santonio Holmes.. lololololololololollerskateslolololololololol

Arnold HamNegger
03-15-2006, 07:23 PM
Its hard for me to get rid of a player that i hand picked myself. I thought the world of Joey. He had a great arm, great legs, pretty eyes. Its tough letting go, but the Lions organization must move on" said Matt Millen.


Son of a bitch, I didn't read the whole thing...YOU BASTARD!!!!

Well let me share a little bit of literature from last season that pretty much sums up how we Lion fans feel about Joey:



Joey Harrington Traded To Vikings For Cow Manure


Bag of shit less expensive, has higher passing rating

DETROIT, MI--Finally caving in to the daily pleas of Michiganders, Detroit Lions President Matt Millen announced the trade of Joey Harrington to the Minnesota Vikings for one bag of Uncle Billy's Premium Cow Manure. The move comes after Harrington was benched in favor of equally hopeless, quasi-heterosexual Jeff Garcia. Harrington has had a typical Harrington-esque season, holding a 3-4 record with eight touchdowns, ten interceptions, and eighty- three suicides induced. The bag of shit is expected to bring a level of accuracy and manliness to the Lions not seen in Harrington or Garcia.


"This year the locker room smells like a sweaty prison of abysmal failure," remarks coach Steve Mariucci. "We need to take immediate steps to restore our below-mediocre image to the rest of the NFL. The pieces of shit here need to be pushed, eaten, clubbed, and tortured from the locker room, and by 'pieces of shit,' I mean 'white players.' The failure of this team has gone so far that ethnic cleansing is the only answer I can think of at this point."


Most pundits believe the "trade" does not benefit the Vikings. With Brad Johnson's 17th re-emergence in the NFL, Minnesota has gone 2-1 after Daunte Culpepper's knee turned into a tangled ball of knee ligament acronyms.


"At first, we were reluctant to take their piece of shit for our bag of shit because it is a terrible trade logistically," remarks Vikings' head coach Mike Tice. "Hell, the cow manure is worth at least $1.25 and doesn't have a terrible arm. I wanted them to throw in scalpable Super Bowl tickets or something, but in the end it was Zygi's decision. He may have a funny name, but he sure is rich."


"I believe this team needed a new franchise player," said Vikings owner Zygi Wilf. "Since Randy Moss took 47% of the nation's marijuana trade with him, I've got a business disaster on my hands. Harrington couldn't throw farther than my grandmother, but he'd be just the man to host the Minnetonka Love Boat debuting on FOX this summer. And by man I mean male hooker and by host I mean recipient of the love. Up the ass."


Controversy has surrounded Zygi's project due to the fate of previous show revivals, such as Press Your Luck 2005. Contestants played in Detroit where each whammy would bring out a black-skinned whammy that would rob contestants of their money at gunpoint. The show was abruptly canceled when secret footage showed female contestants being raped by whammies behind The Fist with contestants screaming "No Whammies! No Whammies! STOP!"


Zygi defends the show with a historical perspective, explaining Vikings' first voyage to Minnesota in search of women under 300 pounds. Finding cheap American hookers, they quickly assimilated into American life, moving upward into jobs of "Football Mascot" and "Bad Commercial Gimmicks"


Harrington seems to accept his new chance in Minnesota.


"At first I was apprehensive, but I'm looking forward to the chance," says Harrington. "I'm not particularly thrilled about the whole love thing, but I've been getting assfucked on live TV every Sunday for three and a half years. I just don't know what they'll use those Viking horns for."


Not all Detroit players are as thrilled as Harrington, however.


"Why couldn't I get traded to Minnesota?" asks Garcia.

RP
03-15-2006, 07:27 PM
Santonio Holmes :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Triple A
03-15-2006, 07:28 PM
But anyway, I hear the Jets don't even want Leinart and they are trying to get Matt Schaub from Atlanta (in a trade for John Abraham) for some reason, but Leinart has been telling people that he would love to play for the Jets.

RP
03-15-2006, 07:28 PM
" I think we got a Pro Bowl quarterback and a top 10 pick out of the deal " said Eric Mangini. " This kid could win us some Superbowls. Not next year or the year after. I'm talking this year fellas. He's good" said Mangini.



:rofl: :rofl:

RP
03-15-2006, 07:30 PM
Leinart is going to Titans with Norm Chow.

Nervous Ferret
03-15-2006, 07:59 PM
/l.kdfhgvlidfhdsoudsfuk;esi7oysdfggfrbfrvre87hyreighreotlyher7iy5ge87srfgeriutgwehi9p;7fhdpsugreh

Nervous Ferret
03-15-2006, 08:01 PM
GUNNA KILL SOMEONE. Worst move ever. Even worse than trading away two 1st round picks for Dewayne Robertson.

They better take Lendale White or Deangelo now or else I will flip

Triple A
03-15-2006, 08:02 PM
HE WAS JOKINGGGGG.

Nervous Ferret
03-15-2006, 08:03 PM
Yeah I know, :shifty:

UmbrellaCorporation
03-15-2006, 08:30 PM
Titans + Leinart = Instant Win.

Gonzo
03-15-2006, 08:36 PM
Leinart to the Titans seems like a very distinct possibility, Norm Chow, they just signed David Givens. They have Drew Bennett, plus Chris Brown is a decent running back as well.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-16-2006, 02:46 AM
McGinest signed with the Browns

Packers signed Pickett from the Rams

Chris Hope signed with the Titans

The Icon of Elisim
03-16-2006, 01:18 PM
Josh McCown signs with the Lions, Harrington is most definetly gone

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-16-2006, 01:26 PM
I'm glad I spent 50 dollars on a McGinest Jersey before last season now :(

Gonzo
03-16-2006, 01:31 PM
Yeah what a pain in the ass that is. I always think about that whenever I buy a jersey. I've only bought player's jerseys when I know they aren't going anywhere. I have Eli (Blue), Plaxico (White), Tiki (Old White), Shockey (Blue), Strahan (Blue). Those guys aren't going anywhere, and if they do it will be at the very end of their careers, in which they would just get remembered for being Giants anyway.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-16-2006, 01:45 PM
Yea the only "save bet" is probably Brady but that is what all the girls rock. Don't wanna look like i'm gay or something.

I might get a white Vrabel now, we'll see.

The Icon of Elisim
03-16-2006, 04:28 PM
Watson looks safe to me

Evil Vito
03-16-2006, 04:30 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Keyshawn Johnson has expressed interest in the Giants :|

Fuck, I hope the feeling's not mutual...I don't want that cancer on the team</font>

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-16-2006, 04:48 PM
Watson probably isn't safe though, if he has a monster year he might hold out or something because of his current contract.

weather vane
03-16-2006, 04:53 PM
Best off season ever.

DrA
03-16-2006, 05:16 PM
Keyshawn Johnson has expressed interest in the Giants :|

Fuck, I hope the feeling's not mutual...I don't want that cancer on the team

Keyshawn isn't that bad.

DrA
03-16-2006, 05:31 PM
I think that these teams that are spending all of this money on free agency are going to ultimately regret it.

Usually there's a reason why that player was not signed back by his team in the first place. So now Washington has this stud safety in Adam Archuleta, as an example, but no one told the team about his bad knee (hypothetically). Now you have a gimp playing safety who you paid tons of money on and there's not really much you can do about it.

That's not the case with all players, obviously, but there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that goes on with all of this.

The Icon of Elisim
03-16-2006, 06:01 PM
Thats true but you also have to look at how many new coaches there are this year that are trying to get guys that fit their system. They are trying to get their building blocks in place and maybe a veteran doesn't fit that mold. And its not just 1st year coaches that have to do this, lots of second year guys are in the same boat.

Gonzo
03-16-2006, 08:25 PM
This years offseason seems like a fantasy draft in Madden, thats the best way I can describe it.

D Mac
03-17-2006, 03:27 AM
The Chiefs brought in cornerback Will Allen from the Giants for an interview. Is he any good?

Kris P Lettus
03-17-2006, 04:57 AM
This is what I don't get. The Saints were pretty much a lock to draft Leinart, so this messes everything up. I assumed that Brees would sign with the Vikings once Daunte was traded. So now the Saints have a one-time Pro Bowl quarterback and a dominant rookie at their fingertips, while the Vikings are left with Brad Johnson.

I guess that's what happens when you start booing a guy after an MVP season and cheering for an average joe. Maybe we'll draft Brad Smith now :shifty:

Suck it, Alphabean..

:love:

Evil Vito
03-17-2006, 06:34 AM
The Chiefs brought in cornerback Will Allen from the Giants for an interview. Is he any good?

<font color=goldenrod>He was back in the day......but the past few years have been pretty terrible. 0 INT in 2005, glad he's gone</font>

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-17-2006, 10:39 AM
Archuleta has the craziest workout I've ever seen. When he does bench presses he throws it off of his catches then catches it as it comes back down. He is a sick fuck, I heard he was playing shitty lately in St. Louis though. That's why I was surprised to see him get signed by the Redskins. I guess they just like to throw money around.

Gonzo
03-17-2006, 12:32 PM
He was back in the day......but the past few years have been pretty terrible. 0 INT in 2005, glad he's gone

Yeah, he had a decent stretch in 05 but can never seem to keep his hands on the ball for the INT. Gets beat taking risks to get the pick, and ends up short 99% of the time.

Jerichoholic
03-17-2006, 12:44 PM
Rumor has it That TO has signed a three year deal with Dallas.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-17-2006, 01:30 PM
Archuleta has the craziest workout I've ever seen. When he does bench presses he throws it off of his catches then catches it as it comes back down. He is a sick fuck, I heard he was playing shitty lately in St. Louis though. That's why I was surprised to see him get signed by the Redskins. I guess they just like to throw money around.

I read he has had messed up vertebrae in his back for like a year and a half now, dunno if he ever got it fixed.

There was an article I read somewhere about Keyshaun and Belichick and how they really got along when they were at the Jets, and the possibility the Pats might sign him to replace Givens. Keyshaun vs Brady in a shouting match would do numbers :shifty:

If TO has agreed to go to Dallas they're probably gonna wait til Monday so Jerry Jones can come back from his vacation and do the announcement.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-17-2006, 01:43 PM
Fuck I hope they don't sign Johnson. He is so overrated

Mr. Monday Morning
03-17-2006, 02:00 PM
Falcons are all set to sign Lawyer Milloy

D Mac
03-17-2006, 03:23 PM
Yeah, he had a decent stretch in 05 but can never seem to keep his hands on the ball for the INT. Gets beat taking risks to get the pick, and ends up short 99% of the time.

Chiefs released Dexter McCleon because he did the same thing. What the fuck are they thinking? :mad:

Mr. Monday Morning
03-17-2006, 04:22 PM
Patrick Ramsey to the Jets for a 6th round pick

Michael Bennett to the Saints

Reche Caldwell to the Pats

Boomer
03-17-2006, 07:08 PM
If the Falcons get Abraham, I will scream in glee. Our defense will be sick. Sick.

If everyone stays healthy. :(

BCWWF
03-17-2006, 09:11 PM
This is going back two pages I think, but whoever said the Lions should have gotten Culpepper is retarded.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-18-2006, 12:08 AM
Caldwell with the Pats haha...Caldwells Vodka (5 dollars for a liter) is made in Mass

Evil Vito
03-18-2006, 01:02 AM
<font color=goldenrod>More and more sources claiming T.O. to be a Cowboy

Dammit, I was hoping to get that fucktard out of the division. Good thing the Giants have improved their secondary avec Madison, Demps, and McQuarters :y:

I'd bet my paycheck that TO's first TD celebration in Dallas is kissing the star in the center of the field</font>

Crimson
03-18-2006, 01:16 PM
Fuck TO, I didn't want that cancer on the Cowboys. I swear if he goes Philly/SF status down there i will hunt him down and rip his fat lips off. I don't like it...he's gonna be a distraction sooner or later.

AlphaBean
03-18-2006, 04:10 PM
Fuck I hope they don't sign Johnson. He is so overrated

He could catch a bowling ball covered in grease going 150mph blindfolded. His hands are "sick." Other than that, though...

But put him in on third down and you'll get your first.

AlphaBean
03-18-2006, 04:12 PM
Fuck TO, I didn't want that cancer on the Cowboys. I swear if he goes Philly/SF status down there i will hunt him down and rip his fat lips off. I don't like it...he's gonna be a distraction sooner or later.

Remember Antonio Bryant?

Tuna will not be like Andy Reid. Tuna knows exactly how to handle nutjobs. His pride won't prevent him from cutting or trading a player. He will send Owens packing right away.

Arnold HamNegger
03-18-2006, 05:41 PM
This is going back two pages I think, but whoever said the Lions should have gotten Culpepper is retarded.

A healthy Culpepper has more potential than Kitna/McCown/S.King combined. Obviously, noone knows how he's gonna recover from knee surgery. I wouldn't give up on the guy because he has one bad season. Before that, he put up some sick numbers. And yes, one could argue it was all because of Randy Moss..but if any team has a bright future at the WR position it's Detroit.

Jerichoholic
03-18-2006, 05:48 PM
He could catch a bowling ball covered in grease going 150mph blindfolded. His hands are "sick." Other than that, though...

But put him in on third down and you'll get your first.

Yeah, I'm going to miss him for that reason. If the Cowboys still had him, TO, and Witten it would be like a garunteed first down every third down. IMMENSE.

RoXer
03-18-2006, 05:53 PM
Jerichoholic, go here... http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43121

Evil Vito
03-18-2006, 06:02 PM
A healthy Culpepper has more potential than Kitna/McCown/S.King combined.

<font color=goldenrod>Which is exactly why the trade would be retarded for the Vikings. Why would they want to have to face Daunte and the Lions' hotshot wideouts twice a season?</font>

AlphaBean
03-18-2006, 06:04 PM
A healthy Culpepper has more potential than Kitna/McCown/S.King combined. Obviously, noone knows how he's gonna recover from knee surgery. I wouldn't give up on the guy because he has one bad season. Before that, he put up some sick numbers. And yes, one could argue it was all because of Randy Moss..but if any team has a bright future at the WR position it's Detroit.

You can't argue it was Randy Moss. The bulk of Pepp's yards came to Wiggins and Burleson when he set the record for yards from scrimmage by a QB( player?)

But I don't think BCDub was ripping on Pep. Just that the Lions are a black hole, and Pep would most likely suck there. His bad season last year was due to a lot of things. It was not a situation conducive to success.

But I am not happy at all about Pep leaving. I wish I knew the truth, because I want to side with Pep, I honestly do. The new regime is starting off as horribly as the last. We will lose Burleson, my favorite player, who won't have anyone quality throwing him the ball anymore... and QBs like Pep come along only once every 15 years maybe for a team, if they're lucky. Now the 'fins FINALLY get their answer to Marino. Moss was one of the greatest personalities in pro sports. He was always good for a quote or an antic, and they were becoming increasingly lovable. :love: A Pep for Moss trade would have been nice; the only problem is that BJ can't throw the ball over 10 yards.

We're screwed. :(

Jerichoholic
03-18-2006, 06:50 PM
aaaaaaaaand it is a official, TO is a Cowboy.

I have mixed feelings, he is getting payed more here, which could keep him happy.

As long as he is producing the Cowboys offense could be sick. He should not only open up Terry Glenn to more one on one coverage, but he should open up huge holes for Barber and Jones to run through. Time will tell I suppose, but overall I'm pretty pumped.

RoXer
03-18-2006, 06:52 PM
Jerichoholic, go here http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=43121

Jerichoholic
03-18-2006, 07:01 PM
LOL.

Get that shit out of here roxer.

BCWWF
03-18-2006, 08:09 PM
A healthy Culpepper has more potential than Kitna/McCown/S.King combined. Obviously, noone knows how he's gonna recover from knee surgery. I wouldn't give up on the guy because he has one bad season. Before that, he put up some sick numbers. And yes, one could argue it was all because of Randy Moss..but if any team has a bright future at the WR position it's Detroit.

Thats why teams don't trade their franchise player to division rivals...

AlphaBean
03-18-2006, 08:18 PM
Thats why teams don't trade their franchise player to division rivals...

What are you talking about? Brad Johnson is our franchise player. :|

Jerichoholic
03-18-2006, 08:24 PM
I will trade you Drew Henson for him.

AlphaBean
03-18-2006, 08:42 PM
Okay!

He's gonna come back from NFL Europe better than ever before, and prove why he started in front of Tom Brady! Huzzah!

Jerichoholic
03-18-2006, 08:46 PM
I know, but Bill Parcells hates him, and I actually would like to see him succeed. Thus, I give him to you.

Gonzo
03-19-2006, 01:39 PM
Kinda gay that TO stayed in the division but he isn't even that hard to stop. The Giants have had games when they shut him down and games where he torched them, it all depends on the coaching scheme. When he was with San Fran we shut him down all game on opening day, until we changed the scheme in the last few minutes where he got one huge play.

Since we signed a bunch of new guys in the secondary I'm not really worried about them as a threat, Sam Madison, Will Demps, R.W. McQuarters. Gibril is pretty buc, and hopefully Willy Peterson comes back 100% from his injury.

Crimson
03-19-2006, 02:41 PM
Giants have done some good things, they should be favored to win the division. Cowboys should be there, Redskins looks improved, and the Eagles are still the Eagles..looks like a tough division!

Gonzo
03-19-2006, 03:01 PM
The NFC East is really tough. Three of the teams went 10-6 last year.

OssMan
03-19-2006, 04:33 PM
The NFC East is really tough. Three of the teams went 10-6 last year.
what

Giants 11-5
Redskins 10-6
Cowboys 9-7
Eagles like 3-13 ahahah

maybe you mean the year before? three teams went 6-10

D Mac
03-19-2006, 04:49 PM
The Cowfags will still suck.

Gonzo
03-19-2006, 05:09 PM
what

Giants 11-5
Redskins 10-6
Cowboys 9-7
Eagles like 3-13 ahahah

maybe you mean the year before? three teams went 6-10

Dunno what I was thinking lol.

FearedSanctity
03-19-2006, 05:10 PM
The Cowfags will still suck.
http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_198579.jpg

http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_198580.jpg

Gonzo
03-19-2006, 05:13 PM
http://www.giants.com/uploads/photo/A957CCB4A93F4B4C88F0E450D438F4F8.jpg

http://www.giants.com/uploads/photo/504149E81D184C13B104D8BE0C116DC2.jpg

http://www.giants.com/uploads/photo/BD8D318DC371476497B3D7CA71501B20.jpg

FearedSanctity
03-19-2006, 05:21 PM
http://www.giants.com/uploads/photo/81FC5C279CAE49F1A84BAA0E911037CB.jpg


:'(

Supreme Olajuwon
03-19-2006, 06:44 PM
Your search - <b>Giants playoff touchdowns</b> - did not match any documents.

:'(

D Mac
03-19-2006, 08:11 PM
http://cjonline.com/images/121498/sptsmorris1.jpg

He gets past him BTW.

DrA
03-19-2006, 09:36 PM
Kinda gay that TO stayed in the division but he isn't even that hard to stop. When he was with San Fran we shut him down all game on opening day, until we changed the scheme in the last few minutes where he got one huge play.

Well that isn't shutting him down, is it?

And Terrell Owens is not an easy receiver to shut down, no matter who your team is. If that was the case he wouldn't have 1,500 yards and fifteen touchdowns a year.

The Outlaw
03-19-2006, 09:43 PM
Your search - Giants playoff touchdowns - did not match any documents.

:'(

lol

Gonzo
03-19-2006, 09:51 PM
Your search - Giants playoff touchdowns - did not match any documents.

:'(

I could come back at you with something about Carson Palmer's injury, the Bengals losing, anything like that but lets not get into that.

I would say holding someone to a few catches is shutting them down, TO is a great player I'm not denying him anything in that respect. I'm just saying he doesn't scare me that much.

Skippord
03-19-2006, 10:37 PM
Glad the Broncos have been so active this offseason :|

Mr. Monday Morning
03-20-2006, 03:03 AM
It's not Shanahan's fault Ricky Williams went and did it again (allegedly)

FearedSanctity
03-20-2006, 04:56 AM
Glad the Broncos have been so active this offseason :|

Atleast we're not taking another team's defensive line again, just still working on Cleveland's

The Outlaw
03-20-2006, 02:11 PM
I dunno, a 6'3" 230 pound beast who has great hands, can run, isn't afraid to go across the middle, and isn't afraid to get hit scares me.


Just look at some of the credentials.

Only receiver besides Jerry Rice to have 5 or more seasons with 13 or more receiving TD's in a regular season.
Has had 103 total touchdowns.
Averaged one touchdown per game in 2001 and 2004.
Has had six 1,000 yard seasons, including five consecutive (2000-2004).
Holds NFL record 20 receptions in a single game.
Reached 100 catches in only 14 games in 2002.
Is tied for second all time in receiving touchdowns on Monday Night Football with seven.
Led the league in receiving touchdowns for two consecutive seasons.

I would be scared of him.

weather vane
03-20-2006, 04:05 PM
Dolphins sign Will Allen to a 4 year deal.

YES!

AlphaBean
03-20-2006, 05:06 PM
Looks like Steve Hutchinson ain't gonna be a Viking. :wavesad:

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-20-2006, 05:29 PM
Read in the paper Vinateri is in Green Bay today :(

The Icon of Elisim
03-20-2006, 05:43 PM
ESPN says he is leaning towards going to a warmer place if he were to leave New England.

AlphaBean
03-20-2006, 05:46 PM
Vikings should have signed Vinatieri. Or Edinger. Or anyone for fucks sake. Why would you sign a kicker who reached all-time lows last year? Idiocy. :(

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-21-2006, 03:23 AM
I've always wondered this, why are the Cowboys in the NFC East?

AlphaBean
03-21-2006, 03:58 AM
Same reason the Bucs were in the NFC Central.

Dunno, who else would be in the east? Maybe the Bucs, or an AFC team would switch. But then the Cowboys are a "storied franchise," and the rivalries they have the NFL probably doesn't want to break up.

TBH, the Bucs/Vikings rivalry was really starting to heat up as well -- from Dungy telling Green to pass on Sapp because he was too fat then drafting him himself, :lol:, to the even record between the two -- so fucking even that the Vikings went 15-1 because of the Bucs.

Dunno, whatever. I guess the MN/Tampa markets aren't big enough to do that. :(

Mr. Monday Morning
03-21-2006, 07:44 AM
Looks like Steve Hutchinson ain't gonna be a Viking. :wavesad:

Can't imagine Alexander will run too well behind a guard that keeps punching the guy next to him.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-21-2006, 07:50 AM
lol wait, just saw the news. Pretty good time to be Chester Taylor right now.

Also saw this:

One of the busiest teams of the offseason struck again when the Seattle Seahawks reached agreement with former San Francisco linebacker Julian Peterson on a blockbuster seven-year, $54 million deal.

For that sort of money they'd best be coating his achilles in adamantium.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-21-2006, 02:47 PM
Yeah it is probably the old traditions and rivalrys, but it would make more sense to put the Panthers in the NFC East and put Dallas in the NFC South

Supreme Olajuwon
03-21-2006, 03:00 PM
It would also make more sense to have Miami in the South, Indianapolis in the North, and Baltimore in the East, but they weren't gonna send Baltimore to a different division than Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

Evil Vito
03-21-2006, 03:30 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Reports are that Grady Jackson is close to signing on with the Giants. I'd love that signing....definately over Sam Adams.

I'd much rather get him than draft a guy.....drafting DTs have proven to be pretty unpredictable. A DT rotation of Jackson, Fred Robbins, William Joseph, Kenderick Allen, and even Damane Duckett works for me</font> :y:

FearedSanctity
03-21-2006, 03:46 PM
Denver :nono:

Gonzo
03-21-2006, 03:53 PM
Reports are that Grady Jackson is close to signing on with the Giants. I'd love that signing....definately over Sam Adams.

I'd much rather get him than draft a guy.....drafting DTs have proven to be pretty unpredictable. A DT rotation of Jackson, Fred Robbins, William Joseph, Kenderick Allen, and even Damane Duckett works for me :y:

This is good to hear. If we didn't get Lavar, which is what its looking like, I wanted one of the DT's in FA that were rumored. If we get a stud DT who can stuff the line, Pierce can do what he does best and tackle like a machine. With a DT like Jackson, we really wouldn't need another stud LB.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-21-2006, 04:12 PM
Jackson's food bill will probably cost more than Arrington's entire contract

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-21-2006, 06:18 PM
It would also make more sense to have Miami in the South, Indianapolis in the North, and Baltimore in the East, but they weren't gonna send Baltimore to a different division than Cleveland and Pittsburgh.
Word

Guess it doesn't really matter the locations because they only play games once a week, so it's not like travel needs be a factor when dividing up the teams.

FearedSanctity
03-21-2006, 07:52 PM
The Falcons will send a first-round pick (No. 15) to Denver in exchange for their first-round pick (No. 29 overall), a 2006 third-rounder, and a 2007 fourth-round pick. The Falcons then send the 29th overall pick to the Jets for Abraham. It's a great deal for the Falcons and Jets, who get exactly what they want. The Broncos are paying a lot to move up the 15th pick, but now have two of the first 22 picks overall. Abraham and Patrick Kerney could cover up a lot of ills for the Falcons defense.[/COLOR] Mar. 21 - 7:30 pm et
Source: FoxSports.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076)

AlphaBean
03-21-2006, 10:04 PM
That's pretty sweet. With any luck, the Broncos can either draft two HB's with those picks, or draft a HB and trade the other pick for a Browns D-Lineman.

D Mac
03-22-2006, 01:20 AM
Glad the Chiefs have been so active this offseason :|

RP
03-22-2006, 01:53 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5432216

Stima you can have Vandershank. YAHHHHHHH BOIIIIIIIIII

D Mac
03-22-2006, 02:15 AM
Brian Griese signed with the Bears.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-22-2006, 02:17 AM
Sad day for pro football :( Now he will just be a regular old kicker, will never get a shot to kick another game winning field goal in the Superbowl.

RP
03-22-2006, 02:21 AM
Obviously he realised that the Patriots team prioritys didnt include Superbowl anymore after seeing all there good players leaving and being shoved around by the Broncos in the playoffs.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-22-2006, 02:46 AM
He just lost a ton of future endorsement deals too.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-22-2006, 02:56 AM
Apparently the Bills are going to let Moulds seek a trade. I will be shocked if Carolina don't at least show some interest, though he might be a little expensive for them if he doesn't agree to restructure.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-22-2006, 03:05 AM
Obviously he realised that the Patriots team prioritys didnt include Superbowl anymore after seeing all there good players leaving and being shoved around by the Broncos in the playoffs.
All there good players left? lol They lost 2 starters

Its all good though, going to team with D.Rhodes as the starting running back makes more sense. Guess it doesn't really matter who you have at running back with the Colts though, Manning knows how to win that big game.

Oh wait.......................

The Miz
03-22-2006, 12:14 PM
Hey Stima, the Colts are better than the Patriots right now.

D Mac
03-22-2006, 02:24 PM
But I thought it was Patriots>your favorite team?

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-22-2006, 02:33 PM
Hey Stima, the Colts are better than the Patriots right now.I think the Patriots will still be a tough team this season but yeah as of right now, before any games are playing played the Colts are the "better" team. Nobody has mentioned how the Colts have lost 3 starters as well. James, Throton and Tripplet.

Colts still won't win the Superbowl though, I don't think they ever will with Manning as the QB. And there's no way this years Colts team is better than last years.

Just like that commerical tho...If everything went down the way it was suppose to why would anyone play?

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-22-2006, 02:35 PM
Just heard on the radio that Peterson got 18.5 million guaranteed from the Seahawks..Is he really that good?

The Miz
03-22-2006, 04:20 PM
They overpaid but he is still an elite LB. I don't have a problem with the signing

UmbrellaCorporation
03-22-2006, 04:22 PM
They overpaid but he is still an elite LB. I don't have a problem with the signing

Heh, ditto. A bit too much, but I think it's a pretty worthy investment too.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-22-2006, 04:33 PM
I havne't really havent seen him play that much. From everything I've heard though he is pretty legit. Isn't he often injuried though?

The Icon of Elisim
03-22-2006, 05:41 PM
I wouldn't say often, but he tore his achiles 2 seasons ago and wasn't the same last season, he was still a top LB though

el fregadero
03-22-2006, 06:28 PM
Man I remember I signed that guy in Madden 05 for like 800K a year (Peterson). He had like a 97 overall too. Sick.

BCWWF
03-22-2006, 06:34 PM
They overpaid but he is still an elite LB. I don't have a problem with the signing

The Hawks do have some extra money floating around now anyway :naughty:

The Miz
03-22-2006, 07:39 PM
lol Raiders sign Aaron Brooks. Come on

AlphaBean
03-22-2006, 07:59 PM
Some dudes on the Vikings MySpace group rate Brooks equal to or better than Culpepper. :lol:

RoXer
03-22-2006, 11:17 PM
Just let Walter run QB. COME ON.

RoXer
03-23-2006, 05:21 PM
Cowboys should go after Vanderjadt. Seriously.

Triple A
03-23-2006, 05:40 PM
The Jets GM said that they are planning to try to trade their #4 and #29 picks in the draft to move up to #2. PRETTY SEX.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-23-2006, 05:46 PM
Surprised Houston wouldn't want do that and let the Jets get the #1 pick.

Evil Vito
03-23-2006, 10:10 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Larry Allen is a 49er, pending physical

Also heard Keyshawn signed with the Panthers...can't find a link for that one though</font>

D Mac
03-24-2006, 01:23 AM
Also heard Keyshawn signed with the Panthers...can't find a link for that one though</font>

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/14171747.htm

Goddammit. I heard on the radio today that he was scheduled to meet with the Chiefs later on. :mad:

Mr. Monday Morning
03-24-2006, 08:01 AM
Vikings signed Tank Williams, I *think*

Williams + Sharper = pretty good for a cover 2.

Apparently the Pats are looking at maybe trading for Moulds...dunno he would definitely have to re-do his deal to land there since he'd be making like 2-3 times the amount Branch would.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-24-2006, 08:04 AM
Can you imagine if Delhomme keeps throwing the ball to Smith all the time. It'll be like "Throw me the :rant: ball!" all over

AlphaBean
03-24-2006, 08:46 AM
Could you imagine if we ran this shit like a legit sports site, where we make money and all that, we could post/discuss sports rumors and news and get $$$$.


Mmmm, dreams.

Mr. Monday Morning
03-24-2006, 12:37 PM
Oh yeah, Seattle signed Tom Ashworth. Chalk up another one to the outgoing Pats list.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-24-2006, 02:03 PM
Hopefully the Patriots re-sign Neal now. I think they'll be alright losing Ashworth, but if they lose both Ashworth and Neal their could be some trouble

Supreme Olajuwon
03-24-2006, 03:50 PM
What's Brady gonna do without fraud monitoring

RoXer
03-24-2006, 05:55 PM
I thought I was fraud and monitoring?

BCWWF
03-24-2006, 07:29 PM
Nate Burleson offered seven year $49 million offer sheet by Seahawks :mad:

Alphabean will be upset

AlphaBean
03-24-2006, 11:14 PM
AlphaBean is gutted.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-25-2006, 02:44 AM
Well I saw in the paper that Neal is expected to come back to the Pats, so that is good. Also heard they are planning on resigning Brown aswell, I guess those other rumors I heard before about him leaving where false - or things just changed. Even though Brown isn't as good as he once ways, I just don't think it would be right to see him in another jersey (Same thing with Big Willie + Vinateri - but thats already gonna happen :( )

Supreme Olajuwon
03-25-2006, 02:35 PM
Nate Burleson offered seven year $49 million offer sheet by Seahawks :mad:

Alphabean will be upset
I guess that's what happens when they have extra money to spend :naughty:

AlphaBean
03-25-2006, 05:45 PM
ROFL, talk about a high price to pay for revenge.

CNM
03-26-2006, 03:36 AM
It's not that much actually, it's structured like a 4 year/19 mil contract. Then after that he'd have to rework it.

AlphaBean
03-26-2006, 08:31 AM
The Vikings could have kept him for 1.5 mil, they elected to take the 3rd round pick instead...

So yeah, it's a pretty high price. For a #2 who had one good season? He's my favorite player, but I don't see him in many pro bowls.

OssMan
03-27-2006, 05:15 PM
WOOOO Giants opener will be hosting Colts on the first Sunday Night game of the year

RP
03-27-2006, 05:17 PM
Giants start 0-1 WOOOOOOOOOOO

RoXer
03-27-2006, 05:30 PM
Dhani Jones arrested for dancing in street
Posted: 41 minutes ago



MIAMI BEACH, Fla. (AP) - Dancing in the street got Philadelphia Eagles linebacker Dhani Jones arrested.

Jones was charged with the misdemeanor of failure to obey a lawful command after he allegedly refused to stop dancing outside a South Beach club early Sunday, according to Miami Beach police.
"He refused several orders to get out of the street, and he was arrested," said police spokesman Bobby Hernandez on Monday.

The 28-year-old Jones signed an affidavit promising to appear in court for arraignment. It wasn't immediately clear Monday when that would occur or whether Jones, who lives in New York, had hired a lawyer.

The 6-foot-1, 240-pound Jones has played the last two seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles. He played in 16 games last season, recording 70 tackles and one interception. He was originally drafted out of Michigan by the New York Giants, where he played for four seasons.

--------------------------
Fucking hooligan.

BCWWF
03-27-2006, 05:42 PM
I do agree with Bean. I liked Burleson too, but he really isn't a top notch receiver. His loss will hurt the Vikings no doubt, and I don't think they will be very good this year, but I would rather spend the money on a top of the line guard than an above average receiver.

We still need to move up and get Leinart :naughty:

Gonzo
03-27-2006, 08:05 PM
Giants start 0-1 WOOOOOOOOOOO

We're gonna straight fuck you up.

Nervous Ferret
03-27-2006, 08:50 PM
Hope Giants start 0-6 or something absurd

Gonzo
03-27-2006, 08:55 PM
YOU DON'T SEE ME HATIN' ON THE BOYS IN GREEN DO YOU?

D Mac
03-30-2006, 03:13 PM
Heard on the radio today the Bengals are really interested in Joey Harrington.

Also heard there were rumors of Jacksonville possibly relocating to L.A.

el fregadero
03-30-2006, 08:06 PM
Those rumors (about Jacksonville) have been around since like 94.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
03-30-2006, 11:46 PM
Was the team even around in '94? lol

I remember the Patriots beat them in the '96 playoffs tho :cool: :shifty:

el fregadero
03-31-2006, 01:39 AM
First season was 95, they didn't just decide the day before the season started they were gonna put a team in Jacksonville though. Like 92 I think it was announced a team was going to Jacksonville.

UmbrellaCorporation
04-01-2006, 03:52 PM
LOL, I LOVE Brett Favre. GameFAQs NFL board reports (quoted) that Favre said: "So what if I don't come to a decision by Saturday? What are they gonna do? Cut me?" (Link to follow as soon as I find it)

God, I love Favre. :love:

Although it looks like he'll resign for another year, it looks like another year is all we'll get out of him, Unfortunately. I know GB signed a kicker (think it was an old Cowboys kicker), but that seems to be the LEAST of their problems.

Come on, Pack. You've gotta pull it together this year. :(

Ted Thompson leaving would be the greatest thing to ever happen to the Packers too.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-03-2006, 10:45 AM
lol Bret Favre is such a hyprocrit, last year he was complaining about Walker holding out in camp - since it wasn't what was best for the team. Is what Favre is doing now best for the Packers? I don't think so. Also, the Packers have one other QB on the roster. They're screwed

AlphaBean
04-03-2006, 05:48 PM
lol Bret Favre is such a hyprocrit, last year he was complaining about Walker holding out in camp - since it wasn't what was best for the team. Is what Favre is doing now best for the Packers? I don't think so. Also, the Packers have one other QB on the roster. They're screwed

That QB is their first round draft choice from last year, who is supposed to be the future of the team. They're not screwed at QB any more than they will be when Favre comes back. They're screwed because the team sucks.

But you are right about Favre, he's being a gigantic douchebag, and his ego is forcing him to destroy his reputation. When people talk about the NFC North they compare everyone to Favre. Culpepper got traded because he was "selfish."

Well now we know. On the Packers, he wouldn't be traded -- he would be praised.

And speaking of QB situations, the Vikings don't even have ONE QB on their roster. :(

BCWWF
04-03-2006, 09:11 PM
Johnson and McMahon :-(

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-04-2006, 12:20 AM
Aaron Rodgers is not the future. He is a product of Tedford's system. Other products: David Carr and Joey Harrington

AlphaBean
04-04-2006, 12:25 AM
BURN, AARON RODGERS.

Why not just throw the names "Leaf" and "Hitler" onto that list. Poor guy.

Maybe the Pack can find a nice, young elite QB on the trading block for a 2nd round pick.

BCWWF
04-04-2006, 08:29 PM
David Carr is good

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-04-2006, 11:05 PM
Nobody knows how he will be since he gets sacked all the time, theres a good chance he could get an OLine and still suck. I am pretty postive that Rodgers will not be a good pro QB, he only got picked in the first round because there was no else. If he was in this years draft he would be a 2nd or 3rd rounder easily. He'll be a good career back up, but that is about it.

AlphaBean
04-04-2006, 11:09 PM
He just needs more weapons, and protection, and a defense, and a better coach, and some more time to mature, and.. and.. and.. #1 overall, suck it up. He's a bust.

BCWWF
04-04-2006, 11:28 PM
The Texans were good two years ago. He may not have warranted a No. 1 pick, but it was an expansion team. I still consider him a good quarterback, just not elite. And without a good team.

AlphaBean
04-04-2006, 11:44 PM
Davis and Johnson played out of their mind two years ago, and that defense was still "okay."

The Jaguars and Panthers were expansion teams, and they didn't do so bad after a few years.

We're making excuses for a Quarterback who has never produced.

Dunno.

BCWWF
04-05-2006, 12:49 AM
I dunno, I mean I'm not trying to say he is a super good quarterback. I just don't think he is a complete failure, which is kind of the tag that he has been given.

AlphaBean
04-05-2006, 01:05 AM
#1 overall pick.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-05-2006, 01:09 AM
I think he still might have a shot at being alright, but after the whole Joey Harrington thing I don't know.

They obviously have a lot of confidence in him, so maybe they know something we don't? They are going to draft Reggie Bush and still suck, Reggie Bush can doesn't block the defensive end on the back side. He'll be exciting, on an 5 win team.

AlphaBean
04-05-2006, 01:17 AM
I think he still might have a shot at being alright, but after the whole Joey Harrington thing I don't know.

They obviously have a lot of confidence in him, so maybe they know something we don't? They are going to draft Reggie Bush and still suck, Reggie Bush can doesn't block the defensive end on the back side. He'll be exciting, on an 5 win team.

Like LaDanian Tomlinson and Barry Sanders?

Dunno. If Jake Plummer can stop sucking, I guess there's hope for everyone.

BCWWF
04-05-2006, 01:33 AM
Did the Texans get Harrington? I haven't checked anything lately.

RP
04-05-2006, 01:59 AM
Lendale White is dropping to us.

Mr. Monday Morning
04-05-2006, 02:59 AM
The Texans got Moulds, Harrington's still in limbo

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-05-2006, 12:37 PM
Like LaDanian Tomlinson and Barry Sanders?

Dunno. If Jake Plummer can stop sucking, I guess there's hope for everyone.True, never really thought of it like that. Draft Bush this year, still have a pretty bad year then still continue to improve over the next season. They just signed Carr to a 3 year deal and they got a new coach, so he'll have a few years to 'prove' himself.

RoXer
04-05-2006, 06:33 PM
Two Eagles guilty in handicapped parking case
Associated Press
Posted: 1 hour ago


GLASSBORO, N.J. (AP) - Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and linebacker Jeremiah Trotter were found guilty Wednesday of parking their trucks in zones for the handicapped, although both players said they were not behind the wheel at the time.

McNabb was ordered to pay a $256 fine and $33 in court fees. Trotter, who had parked illegally twice, was ordered to pay $512 and $66 in fees. The Philadelphia players were in court during separate proceedings.
Even though McNabb apparently was not even in the vehicle Nov. 28, Judge Charles Sprigman said McNabb was liable because adviser Troy Oglesby had permission to drive the truck. The quarterback produced a letter from a doctor saying he was in a hospital at the time.

Oglesby said a restaurant employee directed him to park in the zone for the handicapped, a blue-striped area next to the actual parking spot.

Trotter was cited for two occasions his vehicle was found illegally parked near the restaurant while he was hosting a radio show. He said he had been dropped off and that someone else parked his truck.

The two players were among dozens of alleged parking scofflaws in court Wednesday. All of them were among the hundreds of people who have been cited since last year by activist Maryann Cottrell, the mother of a handicapped daughter.

Trotter told the judge he wanted to learn more about Cottrell's efforts.

"If it's a good cause I'd like to make a donation," he said
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First, dancing in the street and now THIS? I'm telling you, the Eagles are nothing but a bunch of fucking hooligans this year.

AlphaBean
04-05-2006, 09:35 PM
Ahahahahahahahahaha the wholesome Donovan McNabb, stealing from cripples. :(.

Mr. Monday Morning
04-06-2006, 03:02 PM
<a href="http://www.nfl.com/schedules">Schedules are out</a>

Cards actually get a MNF :eek:

RP
04-06-2006, 03:17 PM
week 15

OssMan
04-06-2006, 05:10 PM
If the NFL is trying to fix the problems of having bad games of prime time then why do they schedule Falcons vs Saints on Monday Night

AlphaBean
04-06-2006, 05:21 PM
If the NFL is trying to fix the problems of having bad games of prime time then why do they schedule Falcons vs Saints on Monday Night

Brooks vs Vick. :lol:

RP
04-06-2006, 05:23 PM
The return to New Orleans.

Joey Slugs
04-06-2006, 06:25 PM
Brooks vs Vick. :lol:

Brees vs Vick

Joey Slugs
04-06-2006, 06:25 PM
the bears are going to be fucked with that schedule.

McDoogle
04-06-2006, 06:27 PM
Wow all monday night games fucking suck. ESPN gets screwed haha.

Nervous Ferret
04-06-2006, 06:29 PM
Wow Jets schedule isn't too rough at all. 5-7 wins this year :eek:

Also gunna start 1-0 @ Tennesse. SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO

Nervous Ferret
04-06-2006, 06:36 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg0 align=middle><TD class=bg0 colSpan=3>2006 Schedule</TD></TR><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>Date</TD><TD>Opponent</TD><TD>Time/Result</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Sep 10 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week1)</TD><TD align=left>@Tennessee (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/TEN)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1157907600))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Sep 17 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week2)</TD><TD align=left>New England (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/NE)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1158524100))</SCRIPT>4:15pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Sep 24 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week3)</TD><TD align=left>@Buffalo (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/BUF)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1159117200))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oct 1 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week4)</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/IND)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1159722000))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oct 8 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week5)</TD><TD align=left>@Jacksonville (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/JAC)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1160337900))</SCRIPT>4:05pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oct 15 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week6)</TD><TD align=left>Miami (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/MIA)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1160943300))</SCRIPT>4:15pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oct 22 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week7)</TD><TD align=left>Detroit (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/DET)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1161536400))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oct 29 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week8)</TD><TD align=left>@Cleveland (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/CLE)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1162156500))</SCRIPT>4:15pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Week 9</TD><TD align=left>BYE</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nov 12 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week10)</TD><TD align=left>@New England (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/NE)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1163354400))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nov 19 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week11)</TD><TD align=left>Chicago (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/CHI)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1163959200))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nov 26 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week12)</TD><TD align=left>Houston (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/HOU)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1164564000))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dec 3 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week13)</TD><TD align=left>@Green Bay (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/GB)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1165168800))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dec 10 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week14)</TD><TD align=left>Buffalo (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/BUF)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1165773600))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dec 17 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week15)</TD><TD align=left>@Minnesota (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/MIN)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1166378400))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dec 25 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week16)</TD><TD align=left>@Miami (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/MIA)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1167096600))</SCRIPT>8:30pm</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dec 31 (http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/week17)</TD><TD align=left>Oakland (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/OAK)</TD><TD align=left><SCRIPT>document.write(formatTime('%I:%M%p', 1167588000))</SCRIPT>1:00pm</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Ws over Tennesse, Detroit, Cleveland, Houston, Oakland, Green Bay, and between 4 games with the Bills and Dolphins, thyey should muster at least 1 W.

I can dream :'(

Team Sheep
04-06-2006, 06:48 PM
I think the Jets can get 11-5 max this season. Wishful thinking perhaps...

Team Sheep
04-06-2006, 06:49 PM
Pats first home game of the season though. :D

SammyG
04-06-2006, 06:58 PM
Rams are fucked schedule wise.

Joey Slugs
04-06-2006, 07:50 PM
Wow all monday night games fucking suck. ESPN gets screwed haha.

Remember, after week 8... ESPN and NBC can change the games that they show.

AlphaBean
04-06-2006, 07:53 PM
Brees vs Vick

Brees won't be able to play due to his shoulder. Saints get fucked, loose Leinart and Cutler... so they draft Marcus Vick later, who ends up being the starter...

VICK vs VICK

:eek:

RP
04-06-2006, 08:40 PM
I see 7 wins tops on the Jets schedule

RP
04-06-2006, 08:41 PM
Bengals Colts Monday night.

RP
04-06-2006, 08:42 PM
I'll go ahead and call that the game of the year.

McDoogle
04-06-2006, 08:45 PM
Remember, after week 8... ESPN and NBC can change the games that they show.

Yea but why would NBC wanna change? They got all the good games.

RP
04-06-2006, 08:46 PM
Colts could be undefeated going into New England again. Only two humps in the games before are Giants and Denver. And lets face it. Giants dont got no body on defense to stop the Colts passing game and we just straight own Denver. Hopefully New England comes to the game undefeated also.

RP
04-06-2006, 08:49 PM
Cheifs schedule is rediculous.

Gonzo
04-06-2006, 09:06 PM
Colts could be undefeated going into New England again. Only two humps in the games before are Giants and Denver. And lets face it. Giants dont got no body on defense to stop the Colts passing game and we just straight own Denver. Hopefully New England comes to the game undefeated also.

Avatar Bet

RP
04-06-2006, 11:06 PM
Colts are gunna beat the Giants by 4 touchdowns.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-07-2006, 12:30 AM
Running back LenDale White didn't run the 40 because of a sore hamstring, and did 15 reps in the bench-press - only one more than punter Tom Malone. Plus, he weighed in at 244 pounds, which is probably more than what NFL teams want.
-CBSSportsline report on USC Pro Day

Reggie Bush put up 225 24 times, as did many of the QBs (Cutler had 23 reps i think) Dudes 245 and can only put up 225 15 times? I could put it up like 9 times when I was 210 pound junior in high school (tore my rotator cuff during my junior year so now I cant bench :mad: ) and my benching was probably my worst 'football core lift.' I am sure there are dudes who here can put up 225 15 times, if you work out regularly for a few years without injuries it is not that hard, especially for a D1 athlete, all they do is work out. Plus he hasn't run a timed 40 like EVER. I think his stock is dropping a lot, he'll still be good in the pros probably since he can obviously play ball but hes losing himself a lot money. I think only doing 15 reps shows a lack of worth ethic, as does the weight.

AlphaBean
04-07-2006, 12:44 AM
He's probably praying to drop to the Colts.

el fregadero
04-07-2006, 01:25 AM
lol wouldn't surprise me

Mr. Monday Morning
04-07-2006, 02:58 AM
Broncos

RP
04-07-2006, 03:06 AM
FUCK THE BRONCOS they got rb's

Triple A
04-07-2006, 03:08 AM
Yeah about the Jets schedule, Ferret. Also, all their hard games are at home.

Mr. Monday Morning
04-07-2006, 08:08 AM
FUCK THE BRONCOS they got rb's

Tatum Bell & Ron Dayne, woooo :o

AlphaBean
04-07-2006, 08:13 AM
Tunder and Lightning :love:

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-07-2006, 10:21 AM
He's probably praying to drop to the Colts.So he wants to lose millions of dollars so he can play for the Colts? Makes sense

AlphaBean
04-07-2006, 10:45 AM
Yeah, what kind of idiot would take less money to play for a championship?

Oh that's right, like 80% of the Patriots! :roll:

RP
04-07-2006, 03:49 PM
Yeah, what kind of idiot would take less money to play for a championship?

Oh that's right, like 80% of the Patriots! :roll:


That 80% didnt get the memo. Patriots dont play for championships anymore. Wild card births maybe.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-07-2006, 04:10 PM
Whos to say he wouldnt play for a championship team in the first place? It's not like he was projected to go top 15 or anything plus you cant compare it to a player taking a pay cut on an established team, there is no promise that just because he is falling he will fall to the Colts. The Colts pick is only a few away from the 2nd round, so lets the Colts dont pick him and slips to the 2nd round. That's a huge difference in money and football is a business man, I don't blame these guys for going out and getting as much money possible what if he blows a knee out or something? I highly doubt he is doing bad so he can picked up by the Colts, he could have put up great numbers and still not have broken the top 15. Personally I think his workouts just show poor work ethic.

RP
04-07-2006, 04:31 PM
I let the games and the video speak for themselves. Did you watch the Rose Bowl? Texas had one of the best defenses in the country and White ran all over them. He was doing that shit all year. I dont know why his workouts were so pathetic and i do believe he's not in good shape, but wasnt he out of shape in the Rose Bowl? Look if this guy gets picked by any team. He'll get whipped into shape during training camp. I trust that issue would be resolved. Lendale White will be crazy good in the NFL.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-07-2006, 05:56 PM
Oh no that isn't my point, the guy can definetely play some football. I'm just talking from a teams perspective I guess. It doesnt really matter the actually stats of the results, but those results pretty much show he hasn't been working hard in the offseason. A lot teams will view that has an negative ON TOP of the pretty weak testing results. All he is doing is losing himself a ton of money, figured he would want to go out and get as much as he can now becuase you never know might happen. The tailback that started over him when he was a freshmen (Hershel Dennis) just blew out his knee for a second time, so I am surprised something like that isn't on his mind.

RP
04-07-2006, 06:01 PM
People keep saying the Colts will take some guy named Joseph Addai.

AlphaBean
04-07-2006, 06:02 PM
Whos to say he wouldnt play for a championship team in the first place? It's not like he was projected to go top 15 or anything plus you cant compare it to a player taking a pay cut on an established team, there is no promise that just because he is falling he will fall to the Colts. The Colts pick is only a few away from the 2nd round, so lets the Colts dont pick him and slips to the 2nd round. That's a huge difference in money and football is a business man, I don't blame these guys for going out and getting as much money possible what if he blows a knee out or something? I highly doubt he is doing bad so he can picked up by the Colts, he could have put up great numbers and still not have broken the top 15. Personally I think his workouts just show poor work ethic.

He gets picked by the Broncos, he gets 2k yards easily. He gets picked up by the Colts, he'll get 2000 all-purpose yards. Steelers? He'll probably get a ring. Same with the Panthers. But one thing is for certain: Even now, it would be hard for him to fall out of the top 20. Many draft boards had him top-10 before the workouts, so that whole "top 15" thing doesn't work. But I doubt he would do so hot on any team in the top 15. But then, any given year eh? The big-3 HBs last year did make the playoffs (or get very close, like the Dolphins), of course Cedric doesn't count, being dead and all. But I just think that he wants to get with a championship-caliber team, and isn't quite smart enough to realize 1) Like you said, money, and 2) This year's lottery team might be next year's cinderella.

But whatever, 15 reps, that's hilarious. Though I would imagine it's hard to do too many reps if your hammy is fucked. Especially if you don't do it right, and jerk your leg, or whatever. I hope he does an individual workout and puts up at least 25. He does that, he won't look quite so retarded.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-07-2006, 06:21 PM
They were giving Nick Mangold (projected #1 Center in the draft) shit on some show becuase he got 2 less reps than Jay Cutler. Usually QBs dont do even do the benchpress, Culter just did it to show off haha

Jesus Shuttlesworth
04-07-2006, 06:36 PM
The Patriots signed Martin Gramatica :|

AlphaBean
04-07-2006, 06:38 PM
They were giving Nick Mangold (projected #1 Center in the draft) shit on some show becuase he got 2 less reps than Jay Cutler. Usually QBs dont do even do the benchpress, Culter just did it to show off hahaHe probably spent his entire college career practicing workouts and interviews so that he would get top-10 money. He joined a shit squad so he wouldn't suffer from Tom Brady/Drew Henson disease, where you slip to #6 because there is too much talent to go around.

Paper All Star. I love it. But fuck you Mangold, Eslinger is your daddy.

And the Pats shoulda gotten Edinger. He was "clutch" for the Vikes last year.

RP
04-08-2006, 01:31 AM
The Patriots signed Martin Gramatica :|

:lol: