NFL 2006 Offseason Thread

[The Greater Power]

Favre is still deciding, and frankly I'm happy. This will force Thompson to REALLY go for Woodson. And also, I want him to take his time and make the correct choice.

This press conference happens every year in Mississippi for his charity/foundation thing, and this year the media just blew it up into a "Will he retire or not?" conference. Every little time the man speaks people are going nuts thinking he will decide.

And then you have those (non Packer) fans saying how he's holding team hostage, you hate how he's drawing it out, etc.....if you aren't a Packer fan what do you care? If someone like McNabb wouldn't really have any feelings towards it.

[FearedSanctity]

And then you have those (non Packer) fans saying how he's holding team hostage, you hate how he's drawing it out, etc.....if you aren't a Packer fan what do you care? If someone like McNabb wouldn't really have any feelings towards it.

Because we constantly have to hear about it. I was a Favre fan before and was interested to see what he'd do, but I honestly couldn't give a shit now

[Gonzo]

Colts are gunna beat the Giants by 4 touchdowns.

:rofl:

[OssMan]

Today's Sportscenter said "Favre makes the decision that Packers fans have been waiting to hear" and then said that he is still undecided what the heck

[The Greater Power]

Today's Sportscenter said "Favre makes the decision that Packers fans have been waiting to hear" and then said that he is still undecided what the heck

It was just a big hype thing they did. I was 80% sure he wasn't going to have a decision. The conference was about his foundation though anyways, so there was another reason I wasn't expecting to hear much.

Packers | Favre told Thompson he was retiring
Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:59:41 -0700

ESPN's Ed Werder reports at one point last week, Green Bay Packers QB Brett Favre felt he was being pressured into an answer by the team about his future so he told general manager Ted Thompson he was retiring. Thompson then told Favre to take a step back and spend more time making his decision.

[RoXer]

10. Arizona Cardinals – Vince Young, QB, Texas. It's hard to imagine Young falling this far, but there seems to be only a lukewarm buzz around him since his pro day and personal workouts began. The theory – once again revived since his pro day – is that Young is going to be a guy who needs to sit a year (or maybe two) before taking over a starting job. Some things to consider about Arizona: Dennis Green has worked with guys who have similar styles to Young in Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper, and Cardinals quarterback coach (Mike Kruczek) was the guy who helped develop Culpepper when he was the head coach at Central Florida.

:( I wish

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That 80% didnt get the memo. Patriots dont play for championships anymore. Wild card births maybe.Just saw this now - haha how can you even say that? You are a Colts fan...

[AlphaBean]

Just saw this now - haha how can you even say that? You are a Colts fan...

Because the Colts' superbowl is Colts/Patriots. They don't need a ring. Remember last year? Nobody ever expected Manning to actually do anything in the playoffs.

[BCWWF]

Favre is still deciding, and frankly I'm happy. This will force Thompson to REALLY go for Woodson. And also, I want him to take his time and make the correct choice.

This press conference happens every year in Mississippi for his charity/foundation thing, and this year the media just blew it up into a "Will he retire or not?" conference. Every little time the man speaks people are going nuts thinking he will decide.

And then you have those (non Packer) fans saying how he's holding team hostage, you hate how he's drawing it out, etc.....if you aren't a Packer fan what do you care? If someone like McNabb wouldn't really have any feelings towards it.

Do you know anything about the media? They were tipped off by a Packers aide that the decision would come at the press conference, and even if they were not tipped off it would be their job to go there. The whole point of media is getting the scoop, and if a superstar is in the news comtemplating retirement, you damn well don't miss a press conference he is holding.

That being said, he will be back. You don't make this much of a deal if you aren't, he just wants to stir the Packers up so that they really do try to win when he comes back. Charlie Walters, the guy for the St. Paul Pioneer Press who just pulls shit out of his ass, said that Favre was considering Minnesota. Sorry Charlie, but no. I would love it, but that is just too retarded.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Because the Colts' superbowl is Colts/Patriots. They don't need a ring. Remember last year? Nobody ever expected Manning to actually do anything in the playoffs.
Manning beat the Patriots one time!!! WOO!!!!!!!!!

Manning has 3 wins the playoffs, Brady has 3 rings.

But the Colts are 'better' now, yet they both lost in the 2nd round this year.

[RP]

The Colts are better now. Hate to break that to you. I mean i recognize your teams " 3 rings " , but please dont tell me the Patriots are a better team then the Colts right now.

[RP]

BTW why is it when you talk shit about the Colts. The only person you can talk shit about is Manning. As if its Manning vs the Patriots. We get it. Manning chokes, but like i said. The Colts are better then the Patriots . They were better last year and they still are better. So all your Manning chokes bs is fine . Just dont forget who the better team is.

[RP]

And i know. You're gunna tell us all about the " 3 rings " and how great they once were. Save it. We've all heard about it the past couple of years and now its time to let that go. Its in the books. Dont use the past to make some stupid argument about how the Patriots are better then the Colts right now. Actually go ahead. Amuse me.

[RP]

Honestly. I dont think the Patriots are the best team in the AFC east. I think Miami is better and i think the Patriots will be battling for a Wild Card this year. Probably wont even get it either.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I don't think the Patriots have the "better team", aside from a few key players (IE: Brady, of course), but nothing would do me any more good than to see them completely demolish the Colts. And that's what I'm hoping for, personally. (Nothing against the Colts as a TEAM, but anything with a Peyton (not Eli. I like Eli.) Manning win completely turns my stomach.)

But I'm with RP about the whole Miami thing. I have a feeling that the fins will be back with a vengeance this year. Or so I'm hoping.

[Crimson]

I think the Patriots still have a good team. Their defense is still good they will probably be in a lot of low scoring games, and they can plug in their holes in the draft.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

BTW why is it when you talk shit about the Colts. The only person you can talk shit about is Manning. As if its Manning vs the Patriots. We get it. Manning chokes, but like i said. The Colts are better then the Patriots . They were better last year and they still are better. So all your Manning chokes bs is fine . Just dont forget who the better team is.Since the Colts won last, then yeah I guess you could call them the better team. We'll see what happens this season though, a lot of people think the Patriots lost a ton of important guys but I dunno, outside of that piece of shit kicker then signed I don't think its as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Colts just lost one of the best running backs in the NFL, plus a starting linebacker and defensive tackle. No way the Colts are better this year than last, last year was their best shot to win it all and they blew it. I'd be extremely surprised if the Colts ever win the Superbowl. The only person everyone talks shit about is Manning because anytime the Colts do good the only person anyone talks about is Manning, it goes both ways. Unless it's Manning himself, when the Colts lose he blames it on his offensive line.

[RP]

Maybe thats because the offensive line sucked.

[AlphaBean]

It was better than the Patriots offensive line, though!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Or maybe because the entire offense sucked and got out played by the Steelers Defense, it wasn't just the offensive line that sucked. Manning sucked too, he got the luckiest break ever after somehow his pass right to Troy Palamaluo got overturned and they still didn't win. Not dumping it off to Dallas Clark and throwing to the endzone instead on the final drive was the O-Line's fault though, not his.

[RP]

What the hell are you talking about. You keep saying shit about dumping passes off, but you've never sat back and had to make pin point passes while being blitzed by the Steelers every play. Our offensive line is one of the best in the league and they couldnt block worth a damn. It's not like Manning could sit back and look at every recievers situation and make a decision. He had to decide what to do the moment the ball was snapped . He had time to make one read and that was about it. Thats protection problems.

And please excuse Manning and anyone else who gets a lucky break from the officials, if they cant convert it into a win. I mean not everyone can be as fortunate as the Patriots.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm just saying that had so many opportunities to win that game with the best team they will ever have and they didnt. Stuff like that horrible INT call and the fumble by Bettis when the game should have been over, last year was the Colts best shot to win it. I just think its funny to see the loss blamed on the offensiveline, nobody was prasing the O-line when they were winng all these games. I'd be really surprised to see them ever win it now, not saying it is impossible but I'd be really surprised. As for the Dolphins taking over the AFC East that is a fair predicition but I don't think it'll happen. Just because they got a new QB I don't think it will automatically result in an unreal season or something.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah stupid offensive line that gave up less sacks than every other team in the league

[AlphaBean]

I'm just saying that had so many opportunities to win that game with the best team they will ever have and they didnt. Stuff like that horrible INT call and the fumble by Bettis when the game should have been over, last year was the Colts best shot to win it. I just think its funny to see the loss blamed on the offensiveline, nobody was prasing the O-line when they were winng all these games. I'd be really surprised to see them ever win it now, not saying it is impossible but I'd be really surprised. As for the Dolphins taking over the AFC East that is a fair predicition but I don't think it'll happen. Just because they got a new QB I don't think it will automatically result in an unreal season or something.

I bet the Colts could win it all if they fired Dungy and brought in Jon Gruden as head coach. :lol:

[RP]

yeah stupid offensive line that gave up less sacks than every other team in the league


I stated pretty clearly they were one of the best all season. And give credit were its due. The Steelers defense was damn near perfect. I'm just saying that its pretty easy for one of us to say he should pass here or there when the Steelers are blitzing almost ever play. Manning had a bad day and the O-line couldnt block anyone. Edge missed some blitz pickups. It wasnt just Manning.

[RP]

I'm just saying that had so many opportunities to win that game with the best team they will ever have and they didnt. Stuff like that horrible INT call and the fumble by Bettis when the game should have been over, last year was the Colts best shot to win it. I just think its funny to see the loss blamed on the offensiveline, nobody was prasing the O-line when they were winng all these games. I'd be really surprised to see them ever win it now, not saying it is impossible but I'd be really surprised. As for the Dolphins taking over the AFC East that is a fair predicition but I don't think it'll happen. Just because they got a new QB I don't think it will automatically result in an unreal season or something.


Well lets look at the roster. They lost Edge, but running backs are very replaceable. I dont see a huge problem there. They will probably get a decent Rb in the draft. They're bringing 3 all pros back on defense and two on offense. Reggie Wayne will be nuts this year. We got the clutchest kicker ever. We lost only two free agents. Triplet and Thorton. Triplet is very replacable at DT. He was subbed in and out in the first place. Thorton can be replace in the draft.

I think Indianapolis on paper is the best team in the league this year. Whether that translates into a SB we dont know. I'm not as optomistic as i've been in the past.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Using that logic the Steelers will destroy everybody this year. All they lost was a slot receiver and a mediocre safety.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How can you say Edge will be easily replaced? Can't exactly depend on a rookie running back, they aren't used to the wear and tear of an NFL season, look at Cadallic Willaims, he like fell off the face of the earth towards the end of the season haha. Rhodes might be able to step up but losing Edge is going to hurt the Colts a lot I think.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Broncos, the Jaguars and the Bengals didn't lose anyone who isn't replaceable either.

[AlphaBean]

I stated pretty clearly they were one of the best all season. And give credit were its due. The Steelers defense was damn near perfect. I'm just saying that its pretty easy for one of us to say he should pass here or there when the Steelers are blitzing almost ever play. Manning had a bad day and the O-line couldnt block anyone. Edge missed some blitz pickups. It wasnt just Manning.

Picked a pretty fucking important time to have a bad day, wouldn't you agree?

When superstars step up and play their best when the season is on the line... what does Manning do?

[RP]

chokes

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Will they just have the draft already? haha fuck

[RP]

ESPN did something so ESPN like yesterday. They had a 2 hour Draft Preview and all they talked about was Matt Lienart, Reggie Bush ( for atleast half the show ) and T.O ( ofcourse, because we cant have a 2 hour draft preview show without a 15-20 minute segment of T.O. )

I really hate ESPN. I dont even watch it anymore unless the Pacers are playing, Poker is on, or there is a great baseball game on.

I watch NFL Network for my football news.

[RP]

I would have really like to of heard some mock draft scenarios or maybe some info on the deep defensive back position. Possibly some more info on the other Rb's in the draft like Williams, White, Addai, Marhoney, or maybe even some info about Carpenter the LB or the other LB from Iowa ( Greenwood i think ).

If you're gunna have a draft preview then have a friggin draft preview. Teams like the Pats, Colts, Steeler and Seahawks wanna know what there team might be thinking about going with.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Think I posted this before but <a href="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html">this</a> is a pretty good mock draft site. Not sure if I agree with some of his reasoning but hey. There's a few DBs on there now that weren't a few weeks ago, so it definitely seems to be pretty deep this year.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I watched most of that draft thingtoo and it was awful. Brad Smith for Heisman.

[Crimson]

I didn't mind the TO coverage cuz im a cowboys fan of course. But I agree with you guys , they shoulda gone more in depth at each position...maybe done a mock draft with each person taking a turn.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

They got the Patriots getting another CB? I dunno about all that, I think they need help at other positions over that. Plus, theres value at CB in the later rounds, I am really hoping the Patriots pick up DeAngelo Willaims from Memphis

[RP]

Just a question.

How would Patriots fans feel if Vinny kicks a game winning field goal against the Pats in Gillette Stadium?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol why would you even ask a question like that? The answer is pretty obvious

[SammyG]

ESPN is the gayest site ever. All the good shit is insider stuff. You cant even read a mock draft, ridiculous

[The Outlaw]

Think I posted this before but this (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html) is a pretty good mock draft site. Not sure if I agree with some of his reasoning but hey. There's a few DBs on there now that weren't a few weeks ago, so it definitely seems to be pretty deep this year.

Tamba Hali drops to 40? :|

[Gonzo]

Lendale White has a torn hammy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977

That explains a lot.

[Gonzo]

Oh btw I think he drops to the second round. Even though he has an injury, it says it would only sideline him for a month. I mean hey, the Bills took Willis McGahee and his injury was a lot worse. I don't think that taking White would be that big of a risk, as long as you let him heal up and don't rush things. You know he can play, you're just not getting some of the things which I think are arbitrary in the grand scheme of things (40 time, bench press etc.)

[AlphaBean]

lol why would you even ask a question like that? The answer is pretty obvious

"There is no way the Colts would be in that position against the Pats in the playoffs"

??? :?:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"There is no way the Colts would be in that position against the Pats in the playoffs"

??? :?:
No, if that actually happen it'd obviously suck

It won't happen though :cool:

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/MASPD501041314_lower.jpg
Ben "I'm faster than your favorite widereciever and I play tight end" Watson, Rosevelt Colvin and Daniel Grahm at water country hahah

[el fregadero]

I will admit, I am a Benjamin Watson fan.

[McDoogle]

Dolphins sign Harrington.

http://tsn.ca/nfl/news_story.asp?ID=163276&hubName=nfl

[AlphaBean]

Half a Daunte Culpepper, 100% of a Joey Harrington, AJ Feeley and Sage Rosenfels...

lolz, the Dolphins won't win until like week 8 when Pep is back.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Arrington signs a 7 year 49 million dollar contract with the Giants

[Gonzo]

Being that he is coming off of injuries and whatever issues he had in Washington, I'm glad his deal is incentive laden rather than mostly guaranteed money.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Emmons-Pierce-Arrington</font>

:drool:

[Gonzo]

I know man, injury free and imagine the possibilities. :eek:

I would go so far as to wager that our D could be top 5.

[OssMan]

<font color=goldenrod>Emmons-Pierce-Arrington</font>

:drool:
Injury, injury, injury

[Gonzo]

Not really worried about Arrington getting injuries, even if it happens his deal is mostly incentive driven. I've honestly never expected Emmons to play a full season but Pierce will be back full strength.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Colts resigned Cato June to a one year deal for only 1.57 mil...Damn seems pretty cheap for a guy as good as June.

[The Greater Power]

Favre is coming back. I splooged like 6 times when I heard it last night.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

That's only 24 less than the number of INTs he'll throw this year.

[The Greater Power]

No way man, we actually have receivers this year.

Like 15 of those picks last year were due to tipped passes or young receivers running wrong routes

But nonetheless, he did throw 29 picks

[The Greater Power]

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=4/26/2006&id=5329

Packers sign Woodson, 7 years 52 mill

[RP]

Colts might be looking to trade for Thomas Jones from the Bears.

[Gonzo]

I think that would work out well for them.

[BCWWF]

Onterrio Smith is available

[Gonzo]

Nah isn't he suspended? Or maybe you were joking? :D

[OssMan]

:D
are ya gay

[BCWWF]

He was dropped by the Vikings recently

[The Greater Power]

It is confirmed, the Texans HAVE SIGNED MARIO WILLIAMS

I will kill myself if the Packers don't trade up to #2 to take Bush

[BCWWF]

I don't see the Saints using the No. 2 pick, but I have no idea who will trade for it

[The Greater Power]

I'm reading that the Jets/Raiders/Packers are potentially going after the 2 pick

[The Miz]

Reggie in the Oak would be pimp.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

wow can't believe the Texans are using the first overall pick on a defensive end that got sacks in 11 out of 27 college games.

[The Gooch]

I believe Walker did some med testing with New Orleans. Could the Packers #1 and Walker be part of a package for the #2 pick?

Bush as a Packer would be sweet. Still like the idea of drafting Hawk, or if he falls Ferguson, as well.

[Skippord]

Reggie in the Oak would be pimp.
No,no it wouldnt

[The Outlaw]

Mario is the real deal.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL Giants sign Jai Lewis of George Mason basketball fame

Hasn't played football since HS...but there's no loss if he's cut. I wouldn't mind trying him out as a #3 TE. He's 6'7", could anyone possibly stop him on a fade to the end zone?</font>

[AlphaBean]

6'7" 270+ with ball skills... I'd put my money on Lewis if he and Gates ever got in a fight.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Jeff Nelson from UConn signed wit the Rams as well.

Everyone is looking for the next Gates, dunno if there ever will be one though.

[Crimson]

Yea, jus cuz you can play b-ball doesn't mean you can easily make a transition. There's instincts, blocks, learning offense,defenses...Gates just happens to be the fuckin man.

[AlphaBean]

Gates was the first in the mold. There will be other Gates... in fact, there will be people better than Gates. Because he set the standard. Eventually, there will be a seven footer at TE. Unblockable. Until his knees get shredded after one season. :nono:

[AlphaBean]

LOL could you imagine though? Looking back at the NBA, like, imagine KG at receiver? I bet he had some nice straight-line speed and agility, since he's run point before. He has hands of glue, as he has caught people's shots in mid-air. And you put him against a 5'10" 190 pound cornerback... :lol:

Something like that will happen. And I will be so happy.

[SammyG]

Rams signed Denzel Washington's son..

[Crimson]

Yao Ming at fullback, blocking for David Carr

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Gates was the first in the mold. There will be other Gates... in fact, there will be people better than Gates. Because he set the standard. Eventually, there will be a seven footer at TE. Unblockable. Until his knees get shredded after one season. :nono:
I'd have to disagree. I don't think there will ever be another TE coming out of the Gates mold. I think it was kind of a fluke thing. Maybe if a guy played both football and basketball at like a small college then maybe. I just don't see any of these other guys coming up and being a real succesful football player. I'd rather take an average WR, have him put on some weight and become a TE (USC is currently doing that with Fred Davis, moved him to TE as soon as he got into camp after being a WR in high school and it is working wonders)

[BCWWF]

I don't see it being a bad decision to go after basketball players. They are athletic enough and if they have the hands, they have more upside than most WR's in the draft.

[AlphaBean]

I'd have to disagree. I don't think there will ever be another TE coming out of the Gates mold. I think it was kind of a fluke thing. Maybe if a guy played both football and basketball at like a small college then maybe. I just don't see any of these other guys coming up and being a real succesful football player. I'd rather take an average WR, have him put on some weight and become a TE (USC is currently doing that with Fred Davis, moved him to TE as soon as he got into camp after being a WR in high school and it is working wonders)

But Gates really was the first. I mean Gonzo is a baller, too. You have to think... being tall isn't that hard... and the rest can be learned. What Gates has... it's not as hard as a lot of other positions, I would imagine. Especially since in the last 10 years, the TE position has just exploded. The pass-catching tight end is becoming an every-team occurrance. The number that have made the pro bowl the past several years, we had chamberlain in MN, franks in GB, now there's Wiggins in MN... Sharpe, Gates, Eric Johnson, Putzier, Gonzo, Dallas Clark, Marcus Pollard, Watson, Graham, Coates, Walls, McMichael, Witten, Crumpler, K2, Jolley... like, Jolley got traded for a 1st rounder and he went on to suck. Johnson I think made a pro bowl and now Vernon Davis gets drafted to replace him? Chamberlain made the pro bowl and hasn't played since...

The TE position is overrated.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah but he Tony Gonzalez played D1 Football and D1 basketball. He wasn't just a basketball player.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There will definately be another Gates soon. It will just have to come on a team where the WRs are so bad that the TE is the preferred receiver like KCand SD

[CSL]

<font color=white>What's the deal with the Saints drafting Reggie Bush? What about Deuce? Is he gonna stick around?</font>

[AlphaBean]

Yeah but he Tony Gonzalez played D1 Football and D1 basketball. He wasn't just a basketball player.

That's why I said Gates was really the first of his kind. So you can't say there won't be another Gates... because there has only been one.

That's like saying there will never be another Bronko Nagursky. I mean, how do we even know? The RB position has evolved light years since then; Just like the TE position is evolving every year, because of Gates.

[OssMan]

<font color=white>What's the deal with the Saints drafting Reggie Bush? What about Deuce? Is he gonna stick around?</font>
Reggie Bush played along a running back like Deuce Mccallister when he was at USC and he did pretty well there

[CSL]

Reggie Bush played along a running back like Deuce Mccallister when he was at USC and he did pretty well there

<font color=white>But aren't they both on big contracts? And I'm guessing one of 'em is gonna be disappointed about their playing time being as they are both good enough to be 1st choice (just an englishman here, don't go too rough)</font>

[AlphaBean]

No that's a perfectly valid opinion.

However, there is method to this madness:

Rookies generally can't handle a full workload in their first season. They need to be eased into it, or they will crash like the Cadillac did last year. Ronnie Brown kept getting better because he shared the workload with Ricky Williams. Cedric Benson just LOL. I think he's dead.

Anyway, on the other end of the spectrum... you have a major injury like Deuce had, you want to ease in as well. So basically they have 75% of Reggie Bush and 75% of Deuce McAlister, that gives them a good 1-2 punch. By the end of the season, one of the two will be at 100% and will be ready to start next season. THEN, the trade talks can begin. Maybe even if Deuce blows up in the early season, we could see a trade by week 6. But since they're both not ready for the full workload, they'll work for the job. Or they'll keep both players, since Miami did it and plans on keeping Ricky.

All I know is, ROFL at Michael Bennett. :foc: you picked the wrong team to sign with bro.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Hasn't Deuce had like 2 major injuries in the last 3 years? He can't have much left now.

[AlphaBean]

His first one wasn't horrible I don't think? He came back after a few games... as a HB, you'll miss a few games now and then, and you can destroy your leg and come back for several more years, like J Lewis and Edge James.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah I just looked around and he had a high ankle sprain that apparently just wouldn't go away.

He picked up a few minor shoulder and knee ones in college as well, from what I can see. Dunno, I'm probably exaggerating, but they're surely tempting fate by having him *and* Bennett around.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That's why I said Gates was really the first of his kind. So you can't say there won't be another Gates... because there has only been one.

That's like saying there will never be another Bronko Nagursky. I mean, how do we even know? The RB position has evolved light years since then; Just like the TE position is evolving every year, because of Gates.
I didn't mean another TE like Gates, they're will be plenty of players with a similiar style. I highly doubt there will ever be another player to come out of college basketball though. Really can't see another non-college football playing basketball player coming into the NFL and dominating like Gates is.

[AlphaBean]

I didn't mean another TE like Gates, they're will be plenty of players with a similiar style. I highly doubt there will ever be another player to come out of college basketball though. Really can't see another non-college football playing basketball player coming into the NFL and dominating like Gates is.

Well shit, LOL, any power forward in college is being picked up to try out at TE. Throw enough shit at the wall, eventually it will stick.

[Gonzo]

So who does everyone see as contenders for next year?

[RoXer]

page 16

[RoXer]

possibly the Cards

[AlphaBean]

cards and rams fighting it out for the West...

Vince Young and LenDale White in Tennessee is gonna be nuts in a few years though.

Um... Miami, definitely.

[RP]

Last year everyone was talking about how the Colts were being favored by the league with there easy schedule, well i read somewhere that this years schedule they play 12 out of 16 games on artificial turf or indoors utilizing there speed.

So you're all probably right. I dunno.

[BCWWF]

For Gonzos sake, here are a couple of random guesses, without any prior research

AFC East
New England 11-5
Miami 11-5
Buffalo 7-9
NY Jets 6-10


AFC North
Pittsburgh 12-4
Cincinnatti 11-5
Baltimore 7-9
Cleveland 6-10

AFC South
Indianapolis 13-3
Jacksonville 9-7
Tennessee 7-9
Houston 5-11

AFC West
Denver 13-3
Kansas City 10-6
San Diego 10-6
Oakland 8-8

NFL East
Washington 10-6
NY Giants 9-7
Dallas 9-7
Philadelphia 6-10

NFC North
Minnesota 9-7
Chicago 8-8
Detroit 6-10
Green Bay 6-10

NFC South
Carolina 11-5
Tampa Bay 10-6
Atlanta 7-9
New Orleans 4-12

NFC West
Seattle 11-5
Arizona 9-9
St. Louis 6-10
San Francisco 5-11

AFC Championships
Pittsburgh over Denver
NFC Championships
Carolina over Seattle

Super Bowl
Carolina over Pittsburgh

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Not sure if your numbers add up there (excl. Arizona at 9-9) but I understand it's just a rough guess. I'd probably agree with most of it, only I don't think there's any way Chargers win 10 games.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Chad Jackson is winning rookie of the year

[Jerichoholic]

NFC East is going to be nuts. Every team is ridiculously stacked.

[BCWWF]

Not sure if your numbers add up there (excl. Arizona at 9-9) but I understand it's just a rough guess. I'd probably agree with most of it, only I don't think there's any way Chargers win 10 games.

Yeah I noticed the 9-9 after posting, I meant 8-8. But yeah, the numbers don't match up with schedules or anything, just a rough estimate of about where there records would be.

[ClockShot]

Miami Dolphins picked up Marcus Vick. How many QBs does it take to make a great team?

[Gonzo]

NFC East is going to be nuts. Every team is ridiculously stacked.

Yeah it is. If the Eagles get back to top playing form, its really going to be a toss up.

Kind of sucks, because as a Giants fan I'm loving the fact that our team is absolutely stacked. Then, when I realize so are all the other teams in our division its like :|

[AlphaBean]

Miami Dolphins picked up Marcus Vick. How many QBs does it take to make a great team?

Lil Mexico was signed to play WR.

Culpepper will be missing at least the first half of the season.

Joey Harrington is quite possibly the worst QB of all time.

...they're still lacking in the QB department. :(

[AlphaBean]

Yeah it is. If the Eagles get back to top playing form, its really going to be a toss up.

Kind of sucks, because as a Giants fan I'm loving the fact that our team is absolutely stacked. Then, when I realize so are all the other teams in our division its like :|

Don't worry, Eagles won't go anywhere. Not without Brad Childress!!!! :lol:

[RP]

The only thing i can make of Miami is that they are worried Culpepper might not be ready for the start of the season or he might be 1 whole season away from being ready period.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Steelers are not winning 12 games this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This article in SI about Hines Ward kind of made him seem like an asshole. Like does he think he is the only person who has had a tough life? He is still really bitter for a dude who makes 25 mil for playing a game - There are plenty of people in the world who have had a shitty life but guess what..they didn't get to sign a 25 million dollar contract, or get a free college education. They are still living the struggle.

[BCWWF]

My SI subscription is still going to school, those bastards. At least it's free.

[Boomer]

7-9 Falcons? With (what looks to be) one of the sickest D-Lines in the league? No way. The Falcons will be sick this year. Mark my words.

[Gonzo]

It could happen, pretty tough division right there.

Thats why I don't really contest the Giants going 9-7, it could happen easily because a few games could go either way. The division is so crazy good that it could happen.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

My SI subscription is still going to school, those bastards. At least it's free.
I've always thought Ward was like a cool guy or whatever - plus I like that the fact that lights dudes up while blocking but he came off as an asshole in SI article. He even bashed Bill Cower for "not giving him a chance as a Rookie" and how they keep drafting other wideouts. While some of this grips are legit, some of the shit he was saying was pretty stupid. I realize he had a rough life, I can only imagine being half Korean/half black must suck since it is nearly impossible to accepted anywhere but come on man let it go you are making millons of dollars to play fucking football.

[BCWWF]

7-9 Falcons? With (what looks to be) one of the sickest D-Lines in the league? No way. The Falcons will be sick this year. Mark my words.

They very well could be, but the Bucs and Panthers both made the playoffs last year and should both be a little better. DeAngelo Williams could make an early impact and Cadillac will have a season under his belt. No doubt another hot division, but I guess we'll find out. That's what the seasons for.

[RP]

AFC East
New England 12-4
Miami 11-5
NY Jets 8-8
Buffalo 4-12


AFC North
Pittsburgh 11-5
Cincinnatti 10-6
Baltimore 8-8
Cleveland 8-8

AFC South
Indianapolis 14-2
Jacksonville 11-5
Tennessee 6-10
Houston 5-11

AFC West
Denver 14-2
Kansas City 12-4
San Diego 10-6
Oakland 4-12

NFL East
Dallas 12-4
NY Giants 10-6
Philadelphia 9-7
Washington 6-10

NFC North
Green Bay 10-6
Chicago 9-7
Detroit 6-10
Minnesota 5-11

NFC South
Tampa Bay 12-4
Carolina 11-5
Atlanta 9-7
New Orleans 4-12

NFC West
Seattle 11-5
Arizona 10-6
St. Louis 7-9
San Francisco 5-11

AFC Championships
Indianapolis vs New England
NFC Championships
Dallas vs Giants

Super Bowl
Indianapolis over Dallas

[AlphaBean]

I've always thought Ward was like a cool guy or whatever - plus I like that the fact that lights dudes up while blocking but he came off as an asshole in SI article. He even bashed Bill Cower for "not giving him a chance as a Rookie" and how they keep drafting other wideouts. While some of this grips are legit, some of the shit he was saying was pretty stupid. I realize he had a rough life, I can only imagine being half Korean/half black must suck since it is nearly impossible to accepted anywhere but come on man let it go you are making millons of dollars to play fucking football.

1: Let him have a chip on his shoulder. He's not the fastest, strongest or best guy but he plays like a freak. You only do that with a chip on your shoulder. If he actually realized how lucky he truly is, he'd probably start sucking hardcore.

2: SI has a way of bringing out the worst in people. I don't know if they embellish, or know how to ask the right/wrong questions, to be honest. They made Kevin Garnett sound like an asshole. Sure, on the court he would rip your nuts off and shove them down your throat if you pissed him off. But off the court, he's definitely crazy... but he's also one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet (so I've heard).

[BCWWF]

Rectal, the Packers 10-6? Armed with Brett "I don't like to get hit so I force balls" Favre and who else? Donald Driver? Easily the worst division in football this year, I don't think any team there will win 10 games, but if one does it will be the Bears or the Vikings.

[AlphaBean]

Lions have had a good team but a horrible QB. Now they have a good team and a good QB (Kitna).

I think all 4 teams have a chance at it. Green Bay because of Favre alone.

[Gonzo]

AFC East
New England 10-6
Miami 10-6
NY Jets 7-9
Buffalo 6-10

AFC North
Pittsburgh 11-5
Cincinnatti 10-6
Baltimore 7-9
Cleveland 5-11

AFC South
Indianapolis 13-3
Jacksonville 9-7
Tennessee 6-10
Houston 4-12

AFC West
Denver 12-4
Kansas City 11-5
San Diego 9-7
Oakland 3-13

NFC East
NY Giants 11-5
Dallas 10-6
Philadelphia 9-7
Washington 6-10

NFC North
Green Bay 10-6
Chicago 8-8
Detroit 4-12
Minnesota 7-9

NFC South
Tampa Bay 10-6
Carolina 10-6
Atlanta 8-8
New Orleans 4-12

NFC West
Seattle 13-3
Arizona 9-7
St. Louis 6-10
San Francisco 4-12

Something like that, off the top of my head though.

[Jerichoholic]

I've always thought Ward was like a cool guy or whatever - plus I like that the fact that lights dudes up while blocking but he came off as an asshole in SI article. He even bashed Bill Cower for "not giving him a chance as a Rookie" and how they keep drafting other wideouts. While some of this grips are legit, some of the shit he was saying was pretty stupid. I realize he had a rough life, I can only imagine being half Korean/half black must suck since it is nearly impossible to accepted anywhere but come on man let it go you are making millons of dollars to play fucking football.

Yeah, but you can't really hold it against him like Alphabean said. If you think about it he is basically doing the same thing the Patriots have done, even when they weren't underdogs anymore, they would basically take anyting negative said about them, or spin things so that they could play with a chip on their shoulder.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah, but you can't really hold it against him like Alphabean said. If you think about it he is basically doing the same thing the Patriots have done, even when they weren't underdogs anymore, they would basically take anyting negative said about them, or spin things so that they could play with a chip on their shoulder.
On the football field that's fine - The article was also about his upbringing too. I looked it over again today, and I could see Bean's points about SI bringing out the worst of people too tho, it probably isn't as bad as I thought it was when I first saw it.

While I think he should continue to have a chip on his shoulder in regards to football (shit the Steelers drafted ANOTHER WR this year) He shouldn't come out and pubicly bash the coach. Since you guys are bringing up the Patriot comparisons, when the last time you heard a memeber of the Patriots bash their coach?

[AlphaBean]

Did he say more than the fact that he was upset that he was benched right away? Because without reading the article it sounds like just an issue from before. But of course, Ward is still here and works his ass off for Cowher. So there might have been a problem years ago, but I wouldn't think it's still there today.

Also, Bill Belicheck is perfect in every way. The only thing anyone can ever fault him on, besides the Browns experiment, is his hoodie.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He said he has nothing to say to Cowher for he did to him and that he does not have a warm relationship with his coach.

Cowher is quoted in the article saying he was only trying to add depth and he respects Ward's abilities.

[RP]

Rectal, the Packers 10-6? Armed with Brett "I don't like to get hit so I force balls" Favre and who else? Donald Driver? Easily the worst division in football this year, I don't think any team there will win 10 games, but if one does it will be the Bears or the Vikings.


Yah thats my sleeper pick. They were beat up last year man. Lost there starting reciever, top two Rb's on the depth chart. Farve had to make plays out of hardly nothing and was pretty well exposed. I think AJ Hawk will be defensive player of the year. They have a decent core at defense and like you said. That division is shit. So i say why not?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

AJ Hawk is a sick fuck

[Gonzo]

Nah I was a firm believer that the only reason Favre played shitty was because he had fucking nobody around him. You couldn't plug anyone in there and do good with what he dealt with last year.

Who the fuck heard of Samkon Gado before last year? Lost a shitload of guys on the offensive side of the ball, can't blame Favre for the team doing shitty as a result. I don't even know where the shit came up about him retiring either, he still has a couple good years.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Nah I was a firm believer that the only reason Favre played shitty was because he had fucking nobody around him. You couldn't plug anyone in there and do good with what he dealt with last year.

Who the fuck heard of Samkon Gado before last year? Lost a shitload of guys on the offensive side of the ball, can't blame Favre for the team doing shitty as a result. I don't even know where the shit came up about him retiring either, he still has a couple good years.


Best thing I've heard all day. Thank you. :y:

[BCWWF]

Nah I was a firm believer that the only reason Favre played shitty was because he had fucking nobody around him. You couldn't plug anyone in there and do good with what he dealt with last year.

Who the fuck heard of Samkon Gado before last year? Lost a shitload of guys on the offensive side of the ball, can't blame Favre for the team doing shitty as a result. I don't even know where the shit came up about him retiring either, he still has a couple good years.

But who did they add that is going to win all those games for them? They didn't get Walker back and nobody in the draft is really going to save their offense.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

They got the gun slinger throwing it into triple coverage!

[Gonzo]

But who did they add that is going to win all those games for them? They didn't get Walker back and nobody in the draft is really going to save their offense.

Ahman Green isn't that bad, and Donald Driver isn't too bad either. They aren't superstars, they also have Bubba Franks. They have weapons, and Favre can still ball.

[AlphaBean]

Nah I was a firm believer that the only reason Favre played shitty was because he had fucking nobody around him. You couldn't plug anyone in there and do good with what he dealt with last year.

Who the fuck heard of Samkon Gado before last year? Lost a shitload of guys on the offensive side of the ball, can't blame Favre for the team doing shitty as a result. I don't even know where the shit came up about him retiring either, he still has a couple good years.

HE brought that shit up about him retiring... because he said they won't help him, and they HAVE NOT. Instead of drafting someone to win with, they drafted Favre's "heir," in Rodgers. Then they trade away their #2 receiver after getting rid of their #1 CB before last season. He wanted an improvement, and didn't get it.

I agree that they lost a lot. But don't absolve Favre for his indecision on whether he wanted to retire or not.

And Ahman Green is coming off what, a torn Quad or something? We'll see how he does. Dunno if he's going to be able to come back. He missed a few games, came back and left again. He might be done.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/Cha0sS0ldier/WOWLMAO123.jpg

[RP]

lol wtf

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

haha Just saw it on the internet. It is from when McPhearson got under the guard instead of the center during one of the pre-season games

[BCWWF]

I just noticed that the Vikings traded Hank Baskett for Billy McMullen. Baskett was a free agent out of New Mexico this year, but he seems like the kind of guy who could be good. Our school played New Mexico this year and he just tore us up. I'm pretty sure he has good size as well. McMullen is a former third round draft pick who did basically nothing in Philadelphia, but I am interested in seeing if Baskett pans out at all.

Why don't we just trade Charles Gordon :mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ahman Green isn't that bad, and Donald Driver isn't too bad either. They aren't superstars, they also have Bubba Franks. They have weapons, and Favre can still ball.

They also have even less of an offensive line than last year.

Seriously, the CARDS have a better O-line right now.

[SammyG]

Meh, I am not really optimistic for the Rams this year. They have made some moves, but still. Kinda tough schedule if I remember correctly.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I dunno there's nothing really wrong with the Rams offence, Linehan should be able to balance it a bit more and if Jackson can get some consistency in his game he could be enormous this year. Plus Haslett should tighten up the defence a bit, Witherspoon was a great pickup.

[AlphaBean]

I bet Raonall Smith does better than Will Witherspoon if he gets enough playing time and stays healthy.

[SammyG]

Yeah, I'm just used to getting my hopes up a lot, and then just get really hurt during the season, so I'm tryin not to get my hopes up too much.

[AlphaBean]

Scott Linehan is a freaking genius. What he did in Minnesota, and what happened after he left should show you. Or where Miami was two years ago, then what happened when he came in last year -- for one season -- and made them a top-rated offense and almost made the playoffs.

Remains to be seen whether he can succeed as a HC though. And Haslett is an asshole who will make the defense tough. He should never be a head coach again though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Reggie Bush's request to wear #5 got denied. McPhearson must be pretty happy seeing how he was #5 last season and I am assuming he would be #5 this season as well? Nobody really ever mentioned McPhearson's feelings about this whole matter, but I guess that is what happens when you make up fake checks while in college.

[BCWWF]

It would have been cool for Reggie to be No. 5, but I am glad the NFL denied it because other guys don't need to be outside of the alotted 30 numbers.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think the numbering system in the NFL is pretty stupid. It really makes no sense to have it at all. Just use the NCAA/high school rules, 50-79 are ineligable recievers and can only be worn by lineman on offense. That is the only numbers that need to be kept "seperate" to help the refs, their is no reason why other positions should be limited to certain numbers. Mario Willaims rocking #9 at defensive end was pimp, #90 is not.

Reggie should pull a Greg Jones or Edgerin James and rock a two digit number that adds up to their single digit college number.

I wonder if he is still gonna wear #5 practice jersey like Deion or Charles Woodson (both wear #2 practice jerseys)

[AlphaBean]

I think the numbering system in the NFL is pretty stupid. It really makes no sense to have it at all. Just use the NCAA/high school rules, 50-79 are ineligable recievers and can only be worn by lineman on offense. That is the only numbers that need to be kept "seperate" to help the refs, their is no reason why other positions should be limited to certain numbers. Mario Willaims rocking #9 at defensive end was pimp, #90 is not.

Reggie should pull a Greg Jones or Edgerin James and rock a two digit number that adds up to their single digit college number.

I wonder if he is still gonna wear #5 practice jersey like Deion or Charles Woodson (both wear #2 practice jerseys)

profootballtalk.com thinks that changing the rule would be the downfall of the NFL. All the old people I talk to about it say the same thing. The fucking rule was invented in like 1970. The NFL was around for about 50 years by then. To say that changing your number does anything to the sport or to tradition is so idiotic. Seriously. Anyone who argues that point really just pisses me off. :rant:

[RP]

Colts 16-0 Believe it bitches!

[AlphaBean]

In the regular season, yeah.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Carson Palmer is looking pretty sexy on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week. So he should reinjure his leg sometime soon.

[RP]

Nah aslong as he's not on the cover of Madden . I think he'll be ok.

[RP]

I bet the Patriots end up getting David Patten back.

[BCWWF]

I'm just saying, it would be cool for Reggie Bush to be No. 5, but then when you go around and see Damien Nash or Ciatrick Faison wearing it?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol How would changing the rule ruin the NFL? A lot of NFL rules are so dumb, the worst is having to wear a sock with two different colors. Where the hell did that come from and why do poeple think it looks good?

[BCWWF]

I personally like how the NFL has such a sound dress code. It helps seperate it from college football.

[RP]

yah but this is football.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think there is plenty of other things that seperate the NFL from NCAA football, most notably the quality of the players. Don't need stupid uniform rules to establish this.

[BCWWF]

The NFL is the professional league, with the professional standards which include sound uniforms. College football is amateur and it comes right down to the uniforms. A team like Florida has a look that can not be replicated in the NFL, and I think that is good for both the NFL and the NCAA.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Actually the socks really aren't "uniform" becuase they aren't all the same. Each player can pick how much white or how much team color they wany showing, they just need to have each others showing. So guys like Mike Vick wear a sock that is like 95% red and 5% while other players could be wearing the traditional %25 red %75 white

[BCWWF]

I'm pretty sure the NFL is really strict about the sox so that they don't cover up too much of the colored thing. I remember Moss used to always get fined for that.

[AlphaBean]

That's gay though. The NFL is pro. It's like Hollywood. They need to make it LESS like college, where college is like... "Yeah you can put stickers on your helmet, BUT, you can't do anything else." I wanna see some face paint, some greater hits, some end zone taunts, some fun. I love that. I want to see personality. But whatever.

Isn't it also true that you can't have any of your skin showing between your pants and socks? O_o

YOU KNOW WHAT I MISS?

BELLIES HANGING OUT OF JERSEYS. That was the greatest thing in the world, when a jersey was just too small and a guy's gut was swinging freely in the breeze. When did they stop that? It was so awesome.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Isn't it also true that you can't have any of your skin showing between your pants and socks? O_o

YOU KNOW WHAT I MISS?

BELLIES HANGING OUT OF JERSEYS. That was the greatest thing in the world, when a jersey was just too small and a guy's gut was swinging freely in the breeze. When did they stop that? It was so awesome.Yeah you can't have any skin showing

And that look with the half shirts kinda went out of style I guess? It used to be big in college.

It was kind of an 80's thing really, but some dudes in the 90's kinda did it but it wasn't as ridiculous

[RoXer]

Seriously, the CARDS have a better O-line right now.


HIIIYOOOOOOO

[Savio]

OH SNAP!

[AlphaBean]

Yeah you can't have any skin showing

And that look with the half shirts kinda went out of style I guess? It used to be big in college.

It was kind of an 80's thing really, but some dudes in the 90's kinda did it but it wasn't as ridiculous

LOL if you get ankle tackled and your sock's pulled down or whatever you gotta get out of the game to fix it. :lol:

Also, I should write a heartfelt letter to Vince Wilfork or Pat Williams. Begging them puhleeeeeeeease show me some belly.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well I don't think its an instant fine, I am sure they have time to get them back up. Knowing the NFL though probably not.

Somehow 2 different colored socks is more professional looking then every memeber of the team wearing socks of the same length/color? As long as its uniform between all the memebers of the team then it should be fine. I don't understand why they don't just use crew socks or something, it is pretty obvious the majority of the players would rather do that. I went to a Patriots training camp practice and I think 3 guys out the entire team had high socks on, so I think that right there shows the players' stance on the issue.

[AlphaBean]

The poor NBA players aren't even gonna be allowed to wear tights :( I guess because those have been earmarked for the NFL.

[BCWWF]

Stima, I'm not sure where you got the two-colored socks thing. Outside of the Patriots, I'm pretty sure most teams wear a colored thing (not a sock) around their lower legs and then a normal sock. There are all kinds of regulations in terms of the length of the actual sock, but I've never heard it has to be two colors.

http://www.tristarproductions.com/Sales/Images/Football/Rams/Kurt_Warner_MVP.jpg

See this is how most teams wear their socks. The blue part isn't an actual sock, it's like the thing AI wears on his left arm but for your leg, or else it could be tights. The sock is just a normal white sock.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, Giants sign Rob Johnson to compete with Tim Hasselbeck for the backup QB spot. Woulda rather had Fiedler</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Stima, I'm not sure where you got the two-colored socks thing. Outside of the Patriots, I'm pretty sure most teams wear a colored thing (not a sock) around their lower legs and then a normal sock. There are all kinds of regulations in terms of the length of the actual sock, but I've never heard it has to be two colors.

http://www.tristarproductions.com/Sales/Images/Football/Rams/Kurt_Warner_MVP.jpg

See this is how most teams wear their socks. The blue part isn't an actual sock, it's like the thing AI wears on his left arm but for your leg, or else it could be tights. The sock is just a normal white sock.
Players do that sometimes, or they just wear the 2 different colored high socks. Sock or sleeve or whatever, it doesnt really matter, the rule is dumb.

They even see the 2 different colored socks..
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail.cfm?TID=8698-47310600460147000513711-0&module=topNav&action=keywordSearch&supercat=other&model_nbr=60477&sku=06166809&sport=0

They must have both colors showing, I believe it has to be something like alteast one inch of each color. The length the sock must be up to pad level so no skin is showing, it doesn't matter how much of the white or how much of the "team color" is showing, as long as their atleast one inch of both (Obviously if their only one inch of one color, there is going to be way more of the other) That is why Michael Vick can wear sock that is about 95% red and not get fined. Randy Moss got fined because he probably just wore an all purple sock, or something to that extent.

http://www.nfl.com/u/nfl/photos/nfl1b18_lower.jpg
Portis got fined wearing that and I agree that he should have because that just looks stupid.

But at the sametime Shawn Springs gets fined every game because he wears his pants short and above his knee caps, which is pretty ridiculous. Why does that matter? He probably thinks it effects his performance.

They have also banned tinted eyesheilds unless they are needed to protect a players eyes(must provide a doctors note to wear one lol what is this 5th grade?) Such a dumb rule, the mirror tinted Oakley visors are the shit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The guy standing behind Portis seems to be wearing like tights under his socks, where as in the pic you posted of Warner, it looks like he is wearing a 2 different colored sock. I dont really know why any of that matters tho lol, I just saying 2 different colored sock to make it easier, but yeah they do use both styles.

[BCWWF]

This has got to be the most dominant discussion on these boards EVER. Anyway, I'm pretty sure you have to have more of the team color than one inch. The reason Portis was fined for that picture is because the team was supposed to wear white socks on red and he wore red on red. (I ran into it while researching for this thread)

[The Miz]

Why don't they quit being women and let the players wear what they want

[BCWWF]

Stima, I think the 1/2 inch rule is how much skin you can have showing

[AlphaBean]

Why don't they quit being women and let the players wear what they want

That would lead to the downfall of pro football as we know it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Stima, I think the 1/2 inch rule is how much skin you can have showing
You are getting too much into specifics. I don't really care about the exact limitations but the players have a certain window where they are allowed to wear a certain amount of each color. So each player could have a different percentage of one color showing in aspects to the other player, thus eliminating the "uniform effect" So their reasoning behind the stupid looking socks is, well, stupid.

College uniforms look way better than NFL ones (Talking about overall unifrom, pants jersey helmets socks etc) and I really don't get why the NFL does not realize this. They could capitalize on something like that and make even more money.

[Gonzo]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Its not hurting the NFL to have uniform rules and theres no real reason to change it. Probably not a big contributor but theres a reason that the NFL is the most well run professional league in America.

[AlphaBean]

The NFL is the daddy of all football leagues. They're like the WWE in that they swallow every other league whole. Football has the most allure of any sport anymore. It's not hard to "run the NFL right."

And I promise you that letting Reggie Bush wear #5 and "619" under his eyes is not going to make a lick of difference. It might actually improve things.

They better enforce the hair rule and make Troy Polamalu get a haircut. And I think they should eliminate visors, because those give certain people a "personalized look," as well.

Yep. Tattoos, too. Cut 'em out.

[The Miz]

It's not at all a contributor

[The Miz]

The NBA also has a strict uniform policy and that league is a complete mess. Remember a few years back when they said Kobe's shorts were too long?

[AlphaBean]

The entire Minnesota Timberwolves team was fined, too.

Then Shaq wore some John Stockton shorts. It was so sexy.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I think some uniform rules need to be inplace to keep the game looking professional, but the majority of them are flat out stupid. I am not saying changing the policies would bring in more ratings or something, I am just saying the curret look of the socks are stupid.

http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/mcgahee.jpg
That visor is pimp, banned by the NFL though. Apparently that "depersonalizes" the game since we can't see his eyes. haha I can't even tell that is McGahee without seeing his eyes, I mean since it is so easy to see a guys eyes with a helmet on

[BCWWF]

I actually prefer the NFL socks in the NFL, if that makes sense. It wouldn't be the same to see NFL players wearing short socks, it's like a trademark of college football.

And what I was saying is that you are wrong about the length of the white sock. Yes, a certain percentage of each must be showing, but you can't do like 95-5. The 1/2 inch rule that you are thinking of is the amount of skin that is allowed at the top.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I dont really care about the exact percentage. I am pretty sure players are allowed to have like, lets say 50/50 or like 60/40 or like 30/70. It still eliminates the NFLs excuse that they want all the socks to look the same, becuase they don't.

Also there is plenty of college teams that do wear the NFL style of socks too and it look just as dumb, so saying it seperates the NFL from NCAA isn't relaly true. Not even every team in the NFL wheres the 2 different colored socks, Patriots have a style where there is just 3 stripes on the top. Redskins have a style where it is like 3 brown/3 gold strips. I just don't get why they came up this look and who thinks it looks good. It is the most ridiculous thing ever to wear two different colored socks and I really don't understand where it came from.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bunch of white haired old dudes deciding what "looks good" is a pretty ridiculous concept all together though, so I guess the 2 different colored socks makes sense.

[BCWWF]

Wow I missed that there was a new page. I like the dark visor, didn't Ricky Williams wear one? But just my point is that the two football leagues rely on being different than each other. That is why college teams that play in pro stadiums don't work very well. There is nothing like Happy Valley or the Big Shoe in the NFL. An NFL team could easily build a similar stadium and probably sell it out, but watching Michigan play in the Big House is a lot different than watching the Lions play there. And I think it carries right over into uniforms.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/football/ncaa/specials/preview/2005/photos/miami.jpg

When I look at that, I just immediately identify that with college football, specifically in the south. The players just have such a distinctly different look than NFL players, and I don't see any reason to mesh them together.

The other thing, somebody mentioned the NBA dress code like it was a bad thing. In my opinion, that is a step in the right direction for this league. Football is considered by most as the best run professional league in sports. You can try to deny that, but consider what we complain about in the NFL as compared to the other leagues.

MLB: Steroids
NBA: Non-guaranteed contracts, too-money oriented, players don't try
NFL: Uniform restrictions, end zone celebrations

The NFL takes away the stupid shit that makes the NBA bad. Non-guaranteed contracts, the season and playoffs are not too long, selfish players are put in check (see Terrell Owens compared to Stephon Marbury), and the NFL has a good image. In reality, the NFL is probably just as dirty off the field as the NBA, but NBA players definately have a worse image. I would prefer the NFL to be too-strict outside of the game without sacraficing the actual gameplay, and it's quite obvious that MLB and NBA are not strict enough and that leads right into the gameplay (steroids in MLB and lazy players in the NBA). The best NBA players already are popular without the extra shit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How is TO really put in check though? He just got signed to another big contract and continued to get endorsement deals while he was suspended. He also got paid for 4 games while he sat at home and did nothing.

And how does the NFL have the best imagine when one of its best running backs quit to go smoke weed in Asia, came back for a season, got caught smoking weed and is now playing in the CFL? While another player got caught at the airport with a fake dick in his bag so he could pass a piss test. All the leagues have their faults, I think the only reason the NFL is more "professional" than other leagues is because the NFL front office actaully runs the NFL, where as in sports like baseball and basketball the players run the league (Especially in baseball)

[BCWWF]

The NFL has credibility because of guys like Ricky Williams and Onterrio Smith. There are rumors circulating that a third of NBA players play every game high, yet Chris Anderson is the only noteworthy player to ever be punished. The fact that the NFL actually does something about their problem players shows that it has more control than any other league.

As for TO, he lost a lot of money, lost basically a full season in his prime and I'm pretty sure his new deal has a lot of clauses about his antics. In the NBA, Stephon Marbury or Allen Iverson put up hissy fits, continue to play selfishly and get raises.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

People see the NFL as the most professional because the NFLPA does not run the NFL, thus allowing the "professional" people in the NFL Front office to keep control. In MLB, MLBPA runs the show, I am pretty sure if a new CBA isn't instated by July (Or sometime in the near future, pretty sure it is July) Major League Baseball with revert back to its old drug policy. Thus showing that MLB Front Office is completely powerless.

I really don't see how people consider the NFL more professional than the NBA though, they both seem to have pretty good "credibility" - the NFL just happens to be more popular at this point in time.

The difference between the contracts came because players in the NFL are a lot more likely to get hurt, so teams do not want to pay injuried players. That is where the non-guarenteed contact came from so owners/coaches are able to use that power to cut players under contract. Thus elminating more "hissy fits" from players because they know they will be fired, I really don't see less "hissy fits" going on in the NFL than the NBA though. Chad Johnson was rumored to get into it with his coach in the locker room of the playoff game, Chris Henry is being tried on gun charges, as well as Sean Taylor. What is gonna happen to Sean Taylor after being caught with a gun?...nothing. So if anything, the NFL is showing that on the field incidents like fighting with your QB are more important then carrying around an illegal handgun.

The NFL contracts lead to more hold outs and that makes the players look like "greedy assholes" when really they are just doing the samething the owners are doing. The owners aren't loyal to players, why should the players be loyal to teams? I have no problem with the players "Fuck you pay me" attitudes because you sign a 7 year deal for 60mil but after 3 years its could be "Fuck you you're cut." Also when is the last time you saw the first pick in the NBA draft cry and complain about not wanting to play in a certain city, then get his request approved and traded to a different team? So while the NBA players have more of a "thug image" (That has nothing to do with 95% of the players being black either) they really aren't any different than players in the NFL. I think the NFL and NBA are very similar in regardles to their professionalism. Plus outside of Ricky Williams, who is another 'key" person banned because of drugs? Outside of a couple guys getting 4 suspensions for steriods I can't remember any.

[RP]

And with that said i'll add this..


Bob Sanders might be the greatest saftey in the history of football after this upcoming season.

[Joey Slugs]

League ID#: 1858
League Name: Larry Sanders Memorial League
Password: gary
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Tue Sep 5 7:00pm CDT [ Add to My Calendar ]
Max Teams: 10
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 0
Trade End Date: November 17, 2006
Trade Review: League Votes
Waiver Time: No waivers
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Playoffs: Week 15 and 16 (4 teams)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, D, D, D, D, D, D, D, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (50 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
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Point After Attempt Made (1)
Tackle Solo (1)
Tackle Assist (0.5)
Sack (3)
Interception (2)
Fumble Force (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Pass Defended (1)
Block Kick (2)
Fractional Points: No
Negative Points: Yes

[Crimson]

bastard, i created one too cuz i didn't see a thread on it.

[Joey Slugs]

bastard, i created one too cuz i didn't see a thread on it.

This will be the 5th year for my league and, since most of my friends backed out at the end of last year, this is the first "open invite" i've had.

[RoXer]

NAH CHILL ON THAT. Let the people who usually run it, run it. Yours will be a last resort or so.

[Joey Slugs]

NAH CHILL ON THAT. Let the people who usually run it, run it. Yours will be a last resort or so.

No prob Rox

[BCWWF]

Stima, Allan Houston is making 19 million dollars this year, as is Chris Webber. Michael Finley is making 18 mil, Brian Grant 16 mil, Anfernee Hardaway is making 15 mil, Tim Thomas 14 mil and Antonio Davis 13 mil. That is why you need non-guaranteed contraacts, especially with a salary capped league.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You can't compare the 2 leagues like that though, basketball and football are very different games. Just take a look at a training camp, you got 70 or so guys going out 53 spots on the active roster. In the NBA you don't see 20 extra guys going out for the team, for the most part, there is one or maybe two open spots on an NBA roster. The NFL needs the non-guaranteed contracts because if a player goes on IR, an NFL franchise can go out and sign a player then cut him when the other player comes back from injury. Things like that are why, in theory, the NFL has non-guaranteed contracts. They don't have them so they can cut people who are assholes. Plus in the NFL, look at some guys getting paid huge signing bonuses who ended up being busts. You really can't compare an NFL contract to an NBA contract but an NFL contract is front heavy with huge signing bonuses because that money is guaranteed, where as in the NBA it is more spread out because why do the players care when they are getting the money? They are gonna get all of it at some point.

[BCWWF]

But the thing is, if you sign say Edgerin James with a huge signing bonus and a big contract, he turns out to be a bust and you eventually cut him, it doesn't really hurt the team because the signing bonus doesn't go against the salary cap. You look at the Knicks, they have too many overpriced players and there is nothing they can do about it. Allan Houston is the second highest player in the league right now and he isn't even playing! That's why the NBA is a fucked up league.

Like has been stated by both of us, football just has the strongest control over its players. I don't know though, we are now just going in circles, I'm going back to the baseball forum :rant:

[AlphaBean]

You cut a 20 million dollar player, who are you gonna get to replace him? You can't. The talent isn't that deep in basketball yet. All the veterans are either signed, or not good enough to sign. That's why people will put in calls trying to get someone like Jordan to unretire. Plus, every team in the NBA is balls deep in the salary cap. Those that aren't.... aren't because they will trade picks and young talent for a huge contract to a team willing to take on a big contract. Like the Timberwolves, who will never get better.

But in the NFL, you cut someone, that's fine. You'll take a cap hit, sure, and that cripples teams all the time, like the Titans, Packers, 49ers, etc... Thing is, there are only 5-10 players you're paying top-end money in the NBA. So one player will make a huge difference. But in the NFL, you will give 5 mil to maybe 20 players. Not exactly that much, but you get the idea. There's a lot more money being spent in the NFL more widely throughout the team. So you can cut a player no problem, and replace him just fine as well. There's always a player sitting at home, or a team looking to unload someone for a low pick. But if you run out of cap room (and the NFL has no luxury tax), then you need to start unloading lots of players. So we have Allan Houston making 20 mil, and we have two years ago the Tennessee Titans were what, 50 mil over the cap? It was absurd. They were cutting draft picks, team captains, superstars, pro bowlers... EVERYONE. Yet they kept McNair. 20 million a year McNair, who is usually injured anyway.

The two leagues have shades of each other, definitely. But their differences are there because they have to be. You have 5 positions in the NBA. Most players can play at least two positions. So there are not exactly "pay scales," like the difference between QB and FB. Along with what I already said about the roster size... and the luxury tax... it's impossible to make them the same, but they are as much alike as they can be.

[RoXer]

Titans trade QB McNair to Baltimore

By TERESA M. WALKER, AP Sports Writer


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Steve McNair finally split with Tennessee Titans and is heading for Baltimore.

McNair, who led the Titans to the 2000 Super Bowl, was finally dealt Wednesday to a team that has been seeking a prime quarterback throughout its 10-year existence. He still had to pass a physical in Baltimore to finalize the deal, but the Ravens planned to introduce the man who shared the NFL's MVP award in 2003 as their new quarterback at a news conference Thursday afternoon.

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The Titans swapped the face of their franchise and a fan favorite for what is believed to be a fourth-round pick in next spring's draft. They had been trying to renegotiate McNair's salary from his scheduled $9 million to reduce a $23.46 million salary cap hit.

"Obviously, the best situation would've been somehow to have been able to pay him what his market value was and keep him," said Bus Cook, McNair's agent. "Without that, it's best for everybody that Steve moves on."

McNair, who turned 33 in February, was the winningest quarterback in franchise history. In 11 seasons, he went 81-59 and shared the MVP award with Peyton Manning three years ago.

The quarterback won a grievance last week that allowed him to return to the team's headquarters and work out after being told he couldn't on April 3.

But the Titans had given McNair's agent permission to talk with Baltimore on April 30 about a contract, and Cook worked out a five-year deal with an $11 million signing bonus and $1 million salary for 2006.

That was much more than McNair could get from the Titans, who had drafted quarterback Vince Young of Texas with the third overall pick in April. The Titans declined to comment after issuing a brief statement announcing the trade.

"Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon," the statement said.

McNair is expected to be the starting quarterback for the team that ended the Titans' bid for a second straight Super Bowl appearance in 2001. That loss is merely one piece of the former AFC Central rivalry featuring physical games and trash-talking between the coaches.

Kyle Boller, the Ravens' incumbent QB, conceded on Tuesday that McNair would likely be the starter.

"If Steve gets here, or when he gets here, we'll handle it then. But as far as now, I'm just out here competing and trying to get this offense where it needs to be," Boller said. "I'm going about my business right now like I'm the starter. That's the only way I can think of it."

Ravens coach Brian Billick said Wednesday players know change can happen at any position. He also wasn't worried about McNair's physical, even though the Titans had asked for a new physical, saying McNair failed his exit physical after missing the regular season finale with a strained pectoral muscle.

"As I understand it, he was cleared to play in the Pro Bowl. That one I'll leave it to a higher pay grade than me to figure out how someone can fail an exit physical but be cleared to play in the Pro Bowl. I'm a little confused about that myself," Billick said.

The trade gives the Ravens the first star quarterback they have ever had.

"You can tell that from his mannerisms on the field and how he portrays and handles himself. He definitely brings some stability to the quarterback position," said tight end Todd Heap, who played with McNair in the Pro Bowl.

The trade also will reunite McNair with his favorite receiver. Derrick Mason signed with Baltimore last year after being among several starters released in a salary cap purge. He watched McNair a couple times last season and said the quarterback did a great job.

"I figure he's still got two, three four years left in him if he doesn't take the shots that he did in previous years," Mason said.

McNair is one of only four players in NFL history with 150 touchdowns passing and 35 rushing, trailing only Steve Young, Randall Cunningham and Steve Grogan. He is one of five with 25,000 yards passing and 3,000 yards rushing, a group that includes John Elway, Fran Tarkenton, Young and Randall Cunningham.

During his MVP season, McNair had a 100.4 passer rating and led the Titans to a wild-card playoff victory over the Ravens in Baltimore and came up short on a late drive in a divisional loss at New England.

McNair played in 14 games in 2005 and threw for 3,161 yards and 16 touchdowns with 11 interceptions. He missed the regular season finale because of a strained pectoral muscle, but recovered to play in the Pro Bowl in February.

"The bottom line is it's in everybody's best interest to look to the future and not to the past," Cook said.

[D Mac]

Air McNair is washed up anyways.

[RoXer]

McNair has now gone to the Ravens, pending a physical.
SAY WHAT?!?! When did this happen. :?:

[Butch]

Just read the rest of this page now, it wasn't showing up earlier when i was on for whatever reason. AlphaBean's was the last post to show. My bad :o

He's passed his physical now BTW, he's officially a Raven. Titan's may look to bring in Kerry Collins as a replacement for this season so Vince Young isn't rushed into it too quickly.

[AlphaBean]

You think McNair the PRO BOWLER is washed up, yet they're gonna bring in Collins?

Doubt it. Give Volek a year. Let him show his stuff so he can get a fat contract somewhere. Hell, if they have time... trade him, even. :cool:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Vince Young = Carlos Beltran of Football

[BCWWF]

So Bean, I read there were up to 100 coaches and players there today, meet anybody cool?

[AlphaBean]

http://www.alphabean.net/vikesday/22.jpg

:lol: BACKUP QBs 4 LIFE.

I was in line for lunch with Rob Berzinski, Mewelde Moore stopped and gushed over my niece and I said "Amanda, meet our starting RB!" and he laughed.

I just kinda hung out, I didn't do too much "introducing" because I think those guys are embarrassing.

I yelled at Birk to take it easy because he was lifting something too heavy and he might get hurt.

Some rookie was filling a tarp with mulch for me and another dude, and Lewienski was like, "dude, take it easy... they're not football players" :cool:

On the way to dump it off, Sid Hartman was standing there so I told him to help me. He just smirked. Smuggest asshole of all time.

At the end of the day, though, I won a weed whacker as a door prize. A Vikings cheerleader gave it to me. :cool:

http://www.alphabean.net/vikesday/43.jpg

Hot shit. Mayor RT Rybak stood next to me while the kids sang "take me out to the ballgame" and Sid was on my other side. I was like "wtf what a place to stand."

http://www.alphabean.net/vikesday/index.html

I didn't get too many pics, but there was one dude there... Sean Bubin... big silly lookin' white dude with long hair, looked like a monster. 6'5" 300 pounds, and it was all muscle. :love: It was overload for me. I'm all sunburned now and sore and tired because I worked the night before and didn't get to sleep until 2 before getting up at 7... but man... awesomeness.

LOL of course I wasn't on the news... they got lots of video of me working, but nobody wants to see AlphaBean working, they want to see Fred Smoot hanging a sign.

[Corndad]

I've always been a fan of Charlie Batch, and always wanted him to get a shot, but man not this way.

[RP]

Torn ACL for Kellen, FRACTURED HIP for Jay. He lost the feeling in his leg for a while. I remember they weren't sure he was gonna walk. Was there spine damage too? Dunno, but from what I've heard, Ben will be fine.

They said his mental functions are normal... lol... if that was true we wouldn't be in this "situation,"

But LOL at the Patriots, Colts and Steelers. The AFC elite is crumbling.

LONG LIVE THE DOLPHINS!


Steelers maybe, but how exactly are the Pats and Colts crumbling? I'll go ahead and call it. Pats Colts AFC title game.

[AlphaBean]

Edgerrin James, though I gotta admit... if anyone can survive losing half their team, it's the Pats.

But whether they're "fucked," or not, they're still not as good as they were last year.

The Steelers lost the heart and soul of their team, and the "closer" in their games in Bettis, they lost their leading passer in the Superbowl to the Redskins... now they almost lost Roethlisberger. Shame he's gonna come back from this. :(

Also, sup with Brackett?

[RP]

Nothing that i know of. You mean Cato June?

Everyone making a big deal over losing Edge is hilarious.

[Gonzo]

Nothing that i know of. You mean Cato June?

Everyone making a big deal over losing Edge is hilarious.

I don't know man, I'm sure I could dig up posts from last year about this time about you guaranteeing a Superbowl or something, because they're probabaly there.

The Colts had the best team they could have last year to make a title run, they didn't really do anything to improve (not that they could, they were pretty stacked last year) so I don't really see them doing much better than they did last year.

[The Icon of Elisim]

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[RP]

I don't know man, I'm sure I could dig up posts from last year about this time about you guaranteeing a Superbowl or something, because they're probabaly there.

The Colts had the best team they could have last year to make a title run, they didn't really do anything to improve (not that they could, they were pretty stacked last year) so I don't really see them doing much better than they did last year.


You probably wont cause i predicted Cheifs vs Carolina Superbowl last year in the NFL thread.

Colts lost a few people, but consider this. Polian is probably the best player personel person in the league and the players the Colts have drafted in the past that you dont know about will step in. Maybe not be better then Thorton, Triplett ( Overated ) or Edge ( Addai eventually will ), but they will get the job done. Remember Cato June last year? Remember Gary Brackett? There's a 6 year history of this. Its not the first time they lost players. And despite there losses in personel, they still have probably the best team in the league on paper( which is easy to say ). I havent given up hope, but i think its coming. By it i mean the Superbowl.

[RP]

Robert Mathis is playing fulltime defensive end this season. Colts defense will be sick. I could easily see 4 pro bowlers and 3 all pro's. Marlin Jackson will probably eventually move to saftey. I think Jason David is the guy to look out for.

[BCWWF]

Is the page thing messed up for anybody else? It says I am on page 18 of 19, but it won't let me see page 19?

[AlphaBean]

Robert Mathis weighs all of 240 pounds, so he's going to get destroyed on between the tackle runs, which means that what beat the Colts in the past will beat the Colts again.

Also, they will be running less without Edge... so Manning will have more pressure on him, so he will probably A) have more stats than last year, and B) won't be as successful, because you can't succeed without a running game.

[RP]

Just about every premiere pass rusher in the league gets nothing done when they run inbetween the tackles. Thats why you pay guys like Corey Simon to come in. Thats why you have pro bowl players like Cato June and Bob Sanders to come in and try to make a play. Gary Brackett is a great run stopping linebacker.

I'm not sure if you watched any Colts games last year. Teams where creating new formations just to double and triple team Dwight Freeney. Mathis went out there half the time Freeney did and he recorded 21 sacks in the last two seasons. What will teams do when he's in there full time?

[AlphaBean]

Run more...

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Freeney's biggest weakness is having a play run right at him, so if they did that then Mathis could be eliminated from the run plays as well due to his size (but majority of the time weak side DEs have no effect on run plays to the otherside so I really don't know how big of an effect it would have) I think the Colts D will be good though, June really stepped up last season and I expect him to have another solid season.

Saying the Colts have the best player personal director in the NFL is kind of funny though, I think everyone knows where the best player personal director resides

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://images.sportsline.com/b/ap/photos/BROWNS_FOOTBALL5401107_lower.jpg
LeCharles Bentley

Damn, one big ass dude

[RP]

Freeney's biggest weakness is having a play run right at him, so if they did that then Mathis could be eliminated from the run plays as well due to his size (but majority of the time weak side DEs have no effect on run plays to the otherside so I really don't know how big of an effect it would have) I think the Colts D will be good though, June really stepped up last season and I expect him to have another solid season.

Saying the Colts have the best player personal director in the NFL is kind of funny though, I think everyone knows where the best player personal director resides


Where?

[RP]

I may be wrong on this. But i'm pretty sure i'm not...

Out of 22 starting positions, 11 on each side of the ball, the Colts have all but 1 player who wasnt drafted by the Colts. Which is Corey Simon. Again i havent looked anything up, but i'm pretty sure everyone else was drafted by the organization. I could be wrong though. None the less majority of the players were drafted and the best players where key decision type picks. No one had Freeney in the top 20 picks. I think he was a late 1st rounder. Bob Sanders was a 1st rounder. Reggie Wayne was picked when everyone thought for sure they had to go defense. Now he's a future probowler. Everyone know about Manning over Leaf, Edge over Sticky Ricky. Cato June was a 5th round pick i think.

Basically what i'm trying to say is.. Polian is real good. We havent even talked about Buffalo days.

[AlphaBean]

To be fair, the entire offense has Manning so it's at least +5 overall on the Madden scale.

Like you said, Freeney has triple-teams against him in a Tampa-2 defense, which is not very complex, but when you have possibly 7 men sitting back in zones, and Freeney and Mathis getting a bajillion sacks per season, they defense is bound to chuck it up every now and then -- especially considering the fact that Manning has given the Colts a 1-2TD lead at this point, forcing the opposition to throw.

So you put Manning under center, and perennial top-3 WR Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne becomes Peerless Price. When Marcus Pollard, Dallas Clark, and Brandon Stokley all have pro bowl seasons just being on the same team, that says a lot.

Like Randy Moss drawing both safeties deep making Michael Bennett look like a pro bowler, or Adewale Ogunleye getting like 18 sacks opposite from Jason Taylor... it's easy to disprove your claim that your personnel man isn't the best.

Same with saying that a team with high player turnover continues to have success because of the system being so brilliant... who is to say they're the best, instead of just the luckiest because of their respective coaches?

[RP]

thats the most bullshit argument i've ever heard.I guess Jerry Rice wasnt all that good either. Rice was nothing without Montana or Young ( according to your logic ). Get out of here with that bullshit. We could attach that logic to any team in the league and come up with the same rediculous result you did. Harrison is a top 3 reciever with any QB in the league. If you watched the guy play and take a second to appreciate the things he does, you'd understand. Stokely was getting decent numbers with fucking Trent Dilfer. Sure his numbers went up with Manning. That was to be expected.

Your logic is so damn offensive. I cant believe you even blabbered that bull shit.

I guess Andre Reed, Bruce Smith and Thruman Thomas werent that good either cause of Jim Kelly.

If you seriously think that the Colts players are good because of Manning. You sir are a moron.

[RP]

Reggie Wayne is 10x better then Peerless Price was when he was in Buffalo. I'll give you the whole " Systems " argument. But the right players have to be in the right systems to flourish and thats why Polian is a genius. He's manage to draft all the right players. You cant argue that. He's done it in three places now. Buffalo, Carolina, Indianapolis. The results dont lie. He builds great franchises wherever he's gone.

[RP]

Manning has been a Pro Bowler for a while also and the Colts defense hasnt always been good. That blows your 1-2 td lead logic out of the water.

[RP]

I know i'm spamming, but one more thing. I dont care how many safteys Randy Moss drew, Michael Bennett never looked like a Pro Bowler.

[The Outlaw]

Put all of those posts into one, damn.

[BCWWF]

The year Bennett was healthy he was Pro Bowl quality

[AlphaBean]

Manning has been a Pro Bowler for a while also and the Colts defense hasnt always been good. That blows your 1-2 td lead logic out of the water.

Nah... there was a point a few years ago "BF," or "before freeney," when the defense was just shit. I mean who did you have, Jim Nelson? Idrees Basheer? I can't even remember who all was runnin shit on the Colts before freeney, but basically... every year they've gotten better. I think what it is, is that there is a very strict structure in place, which is not just Polian, but Dungy as well. They know what they want. It's a speed team. A turf team. And it's speed that has done the Colts well.

Some teams can't figure this out, like the Falcons who will draft a TJ Duckett or pick up Edge Hartwell, who was an ILB in a 3-4 before signing on as a LB in a 4-3. Don't forget the Steelers. They've had such a massive rotation on defense... losing players like Rod Woodson, Chad Brown, etc who went on to have numerous pro bowl seasons... but the Steelers never missed them. Which adds to my argument: If you have continuity, a coach and a personnel man who are in sync, it's really easy to build the team you want.

But I agree, the three teams are the mold, basically, for how a team should be run. The Eagles had their window and lost it, and shot themselves in the foot by gambling on Owens. That's it for the NFC, IMO.

[OssMan]

Santonio Holmes arrested for domestic violence

[RP]

Steeler fans threatening a 62 year old lady for hitting Big Ben might be the second most fantastic thing i've heard this year, aside from hearing about Santonio Holmes second arrest for hitting his baby momma.

Go Steelers!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Holmes came out early so he could support his 3 kids, now he has already gotten arrested twice since becoming a member of the Steelers in April.

THE Ohio State Unversity sure has turned out some shithead football players lately.

[RP]

AJ Hawk is probably running around right now looking for away to get in trouble, but he cant cause he's in Green " Fucking " Bay.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

AJ Hawk is a sick fuck

[RP]

He's probably raping cows right now just to get ready for the upcoming season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hes probably punching babies while bench pressing 450 pounds close grip

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://images.sportsline.com/b/ap/photos/STEELERS_HOLMES_ARREST_FOOTBALL5658921_lower.jpg

[RP]

Ginn is better

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Troy Smith and Tedd Ginn where on the same high school team. That is fucking ridiculous

[OssMan]

http://assets.giants.com/uploads/homepage_story/2E2390722BDA48B79E697A359CC88406.jpg:o

[Corndad]

Steeler fans threatening a 62 year old lady for hitting Big Ben might be the second most fantastic thing i've heard this year, aside from hearing about Santonio Holmes second arrest for hitting his baby momma.

Go Steelers!

Yea cause all of us Steeler fans are doing that, a few assholes, every team has them.

[RoXer]

and its funny

[AlphaBean]

It's pennsylvania... more than a few fans in pennsylvania do that shit.

But then it's the idiot fans who won the superbowl, traveling across country to get tickets to their games... wish MN had more fans like that.

[RP]

Yea cause all of us Steeler fans are doing that, a few assholes, every team has them.


I'll give that to you. You're right, but this kind of attention comes with being a Superbowl Champion. Ofcourse i never heard of such thing from a New England, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, or Denver fan , but still. You're probably right. But its fucking hillarious.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

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