NFL 2006 Offseason Thread

[CNM]

From profootballtalk.com:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/MarvinBen.jpg

Says Bengals coach Marvin Lewis: "And that wasn't a late hit either, biatch."

[BCWWF]

Lol, whats the Moss picture from?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I guess he owns like juice stores or something? Like they make "fruit smoothies" I saw it on SportsLine thought it was pretty funny.

Probably a smart move though, actaully investing in something that makes money, instead like a lot of the shithead athletes that buy like 15 escalades

[Gonzo]

Yeah, give him some income after football.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Troy Smith and Tedd Ginn where on the same high school team. That is fucking ridiculous
Yeah and their team never played in the state title game.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm really sick of the fact that the Giants have been getting zero respect this offseason despite their signings. I've yet to see a single "professional NFL analyst" pick them to make the playoffs

Their only major loss was Kendrick Clancy...and Jonas Seawright can plug up the hole just as well. Their secondary is ridiculous now and their linebacking is awesome. Their offense is the same as last year. But all I ever hear is "T.O. is bringing the NFC EAST TO DALLAS!!!" and "THE REDSKINS' MOVES MAKE THEM THE FAVORITES"

Fuck you. Just because the entire team didn't show up in a playoff game doesn't mean it's gonna carry into the season. If you win the division one year and don't lose a lot of key players, you are automatically the favorites for next year until other teams prove otherwise.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>In fact, despite the great deal of talent they are bringing in, the Giants already have 50 of their 53 man roster determined already...which is pretty insane as is.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints re-signed FB Mike Karney to a 4 year extention..

Who Dat??

[Gonzo]

In fact, despite the great deal of talent they are bringing in, the Giants already have 50 of their 53 man roster determined already...which is pretty insane as is.

Yeah, I'll just be laughing when we win the division again. TO is not superman, he is only human.

[Kris P Lettus]

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[mrslackalack]

Character issues are once again a question for the Bengals as Odell Thurman was suspended first 4 games of the season for violating the substance abuse policy and then they draft talented but troubled former UVA standout Ahmad Brooks in the 3rd round of the Supplemental draft.

[OssMan]

sigIs Bush seriously gonna wear #5

[SammyG]

Steven Jackson all the way this year.

[Kris P Lettus]

25

Fred McAffee gave him the number even though he's had it since high school, only asking Bush to donate 25% of all jersey sales to Katrina victoms.. McAffee is going to wear 35..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah, I'll just be laughing when we win the division again. TO is not superman, he is only human.

You obviously have not read his new book

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

TO did rip apart that division once and will probably do it again but that doesn't mean Dallas should be the favorite to win the division though.

[Crimson]

NFC East is the toughest division by far. Anyone of those teams can win it or finish last.

[Kris P Lettus]

NFC South is going to be the hardest division this year.. Mark my words..

[DrA]

I don't know. Every year someone says so and so division will be the toughest division in the NFL, and every year that said division usually has at least two teams that under-perform.

[Kris P Lettus]

Panthers are already being picked to go back to the SuperBowl in 2006.. The Bucs are a young, tough team with a steller D, and awesome running game.. The Falcons have been a playoff team who until around week ten, were a major NFC threat last year.. Also, with the moves the Saints have made in the offseason, thewy have one of the most impressive depth charts in the entire NFL..

Take it for what it's worth..

[mrslackalack]

AFC North should be a tough division as well.

[DrA]

AFC North should be a tough division as well.

I actually think that any one of those teams could win that division this year.

And yeah, EVERY team looks good on paper before the season gets started. It's not until the injuries, the poor coaching, the missed tackles, etc, until you see which teams are the ones that truly are solid and have the most depth.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm sorry did you actually just say the Cleveland Browns have a chance at winning the AFC North?

[DrA]

I'm sorry did you actually just say the Cleveland Browns have a chance at winning the AFC North?

It's a possibility.

Let's say that Pittsburgh's losses in free agency make them a weaker football team, Cincinnati is left without Carson Palmer, and Baltimore is just as mediocre as they were last year.

I like Romeo Crennel and think that they've had a nice offseason, nice enough that they could possibly steal that division if those aforementioned actually do happen.

[Boomer]

The Falcons D will be sick this year. Mark my words.

[D Mac]

AFC WEST

As always. Except for the Raiders, and the Chargers, and the Broncos. They suck.


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[Skippord]

Wonder who made the playoffs last year from the west?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It's a possibility.

Let's say that Pittsburgh's losses in free agency make them a weaker football team, Cincinnati is left without Carson Palmer, and Baltimore is just as mediocre as they were last year.

I like Romeo Crennel and think that they've had a nice offseason, nice enough that they could possibly steal that division if those aforementioned actually do happen.

It's also possible half the Bengals will be in jail by September

[Kris P Lettus]

I actually think that any one of those teams could win that division this year.

And yeah, EVERY team looks good on paper before the season gets started. It's not until the injuries, the poor coaching, the missed tackles, etc, until you see which teams are the ones that truly are solid and have the most depth.

On paper, the ESPN analysts ranked the Saints depth chart number ten outta the entire NFL..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's also possible half the Bengals will be in jail by September
I blame the stripes. You put a bunch of black men in the same striped uniform and they're already half way there.

[Gonzo]

DrA is right on point.

For the Giants, the season rests on how well Eli can play and if he'll be consistent. The rest of our offense is good (cause I mean c'mon, who can say Tiki isn't just nasty?) Our defense is going to be really good this year I think, I'm sayng top 5.

[mrslackalack]

Yeah this is the NFL so anything can happen as shown in years past.

[Crimson]

Why do they keep hyping a Larry Johnson 2000 rush season? No way he gets 2000, just because he played half the season and had over 1000 yadda yadda yada. He'll have a solid 1500 yards, and that's about it.

[OssMan]

Nah he will probably get 2,000 or really close. People say that he can't because he only started 9 games but he had a couple of close to 100-yard performances in games where he came in during the 3rd quarter or something.

[D Mac]

Yeah Larry rules.

[RP]

DrA is right on point.

For the Giants, the season rests on how well Eli can play and if he'll be consistent. The rest of our offense is good (cause I mean c'mon, who can say Tiki isn't just nasty?) Our defense is going to be really good this year I think, I'm sayng top 5.


Who's in your secondary again?

[OssMan]

R.W. MCQUARTERS

[RP]

I'll go ahead and mark T.O down for 4 td's and 305 yards.

[Gonzo]

I'll go ahead and mark T.O down for 4 td's and 305 yards.

You won't see it happen.

Sam Madison is past his prime yeah, but he can still ball up. The other corner spot is the weakest position, where we are either going to have Curtis Deloatch or Corey Webster (who I think has great upside.) Will Demps and Gibril Wilson are two very solid safeties, and are both up and coming in the NFL.

TO is probably the best player in the NFL on the field, off the field is another story. The Cowboys do scare me indeed, because they have weapons at every position. So TO is definitely going to help that, as well as it will help him. He is good, but not god.

[OssMan]

Will Demps sucks

[DrA]

On paper, the ESPN analysts ranked the Saints depth chart number ten outta the entire NFL..

I refuse to take ESPN seriously after they put out that half-assed season preview on SportsCenter two weeks ago.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Why do they keep hyping a Larry Johnson 2000 rush season? No way he gets 2000, just because he played half the season and had over 1000 yadda yadda yada. He'll have a solid 1500 yards, and that's about it.

He also doesn't have Tony Richardson this year

[BCWWF]

Shit yeah he doesn't

[Evil Vito]

DrA is right on point.

For the Giants, the season rests on how well Eli can play and if he'll be consistent. The rest of our offense is good (cause I mean c'mon, who can say Tiki isn't just nasty?) Our defense is going to be really good this year I think, I'm sayng top 5.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, definately. If Eli's hurt, the season is over. Tim Haselbeck, Rob Johnson, and Jared Lorenzen will win 1 game, at most.

What I'm eager to see is the difference on offense and defense. The offense we know can gel (they'll have the same starting 11 coming back this year), but on D you have a ton of new faces. If they can gel, you've got one hell of a defense.</font>

[BCWWF]

Yeah, you guys are fucked. The Vikings on the other hand, when Brad Johnson gets injured we've got a top backup in Mike McMahon.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He also doesn't have Tony Richardson this year
Do they still have Omar Easy at Fullback? He played high school ball like 10 minutes from where I am from, I don't really remember it too well since i was pretty young but I've heard stories. He used to truck dudes while he was playing for PSU too, haven't seen much of him in the NFL tho. I know he was Richardsons back up for a while though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh yeah guys the Cowboys still have Drew Bledsoe. They better hope they have the best OLine in the league

[RoXer]

Are we talking shit now? Is that whats going on?

Because THE ARIZONA CARDINALS (if their OLine is decent and their D can stay consistent and can avoid injury) WILL WIN (if not this year then possibly the next and probably the one after that) THE NFC WEST

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Do they still have Omar Easy at Fullback? He played high school ball like 10 minutes from where I am from, I don't really remember it too well since i was pretty young but I've heard stories. He used to truck dudes while he was playing for PSU too, haven't seen much of him in the NFL tho. I know he was Richardsons back up for a while though.

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302014">Nope</a>

[mrslackalack]

Are we talking shit now? Is that whats going on?

Because THE ARIZONA CARDINALS (if their OLine is decent and their D can stay consistent and can avoid injury) WILL WIN (if not this year then possibly the next and probably the one after that) THE NFC WEST

They said that the Cards will be the Bengals of last year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302014">Nope</a>
lol damn pretty crazy to see a dude who absolutely destroyed high school and college competition getting no burn at all in the NFL. Just goes to show how sick the NFL really is

[AlphaBean]

You have to wonder how much of it is nerves and hype, though. A guy can get undrafted by one piece of hype, and all it takes is one fumble to end your NFL career.

There are some pretty lame people in the NFL.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Like who?

[AlphaBean]

Denard Walker. But I think he's finally done. He was a waste for far too long, making more money in a year than some of us will ever see.

But I understand, the CB pool is so dreadfully shallow that a piece of shit like him can make a living... but at a low-demand position like Fullback, yeah, you gotta be Jimmy Kleinsasser or Tony Richardson to get paid.

Fuck, imagine MN's running game if you line up Jimmy next to McKinnie and Hutchinson and pull Birk with T-Rich lead blocking. Triple A would rush for 1,000 yards behind that.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How is that guy lame though? If he was good enough to make it in the NFL he is a really good football player. Even if he gets no burn at all, just being on an NFL roster is ridiculous. Also, Walker has 465 career tackles, so I dunno what you are talking about.

[AlphaBean]

How is that guy lame though? If he was good enough to make it in the NFL he is a really good football player. Even if he gets no burn at all, just being on an NFL roster is ridiculous. Also, Walker has 465 career tackles, so I dunno what you are talking about.

Walker's been in the league for like 15 years though, and I bet 80% of those tackles came after the catch was made.

Anyway, maybe he's good as far as corners are concerned... but like I said, that's a shallow talent pool. High demand, and corners are used up and tossed away faster than punters.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He hasn't even been in the league for 10 years yet (About to be his 10th season upcoming) but your point has nothing to do with my original point. I said it is crazy to see dudes who tear it up in HS and have good success in college barely play at all, I am sure this guy tore it up while at LSU. So now if this is "lame" like you claim he is, then that just makes my point for me. He was probably a successful CB while playing in college now in the NFL he's a bum.

[AlphaBean]

I just think there's something weird that changes from college to pro... there are some people who are just sick in college who never even get a whiff. And a lot of these players would dominate, but teams just don't get it. Take John Randle for existence. He had nothing.

So why not take a chance on someone like Jason White, who is a proven winner, and an intelligent player? In the WCO he'd probably dominate. That's what doesn't make sense to me... and then a player like Michael Bennett who has very little football (lol I said basketball originally... of course he doesn't!) skills will be taken in the first round, why? Because he's really, really fast. Well let's draft sprinters more often, then.

[Gonzo]

On the point about Bennett, its obvious that sometimes being the best football talent doesn't always guarantee that you're the best fit for someone's NFL roster. I mean you guys are all smart enough to know that, but I'm just saying here that its kinda a shame because a lot of guys probably never get the chance in the NFL and could have been great. Inversely you hear these success stories of guys who rose out of nowhere to become stars, I bet just as many never even get a shot.

[RP]

Opening play of Colts/Giants in the first game of the season, Will Demps gets looked off to a beer vendor in the second row. Reggie Wayne 79 yard td.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wow. According to Yahoo Sports, Reggie Bush is headed for a holdout and may skip the entire 2006 season :| He's even toyed with the idea of re-entering the draft in 2007.

What a fucking whiney penis. He demands to be paid more than Mario Williams, and he clearly can't accept that he wasn't the #1 pick. The NFL seriously needs to do something about rookie salaries. Make it so that you can only make just over league minimum first year to avoid these holdouts.

If Bush re-enters the 2007 draft I hope he falls down to the 3rd round just because he's pulling this shit.</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Even though he is being greedy, Saints need to pay him. I don't really get why he is holding out for more money, I remember hearing a lot about how he has already donated a lot cash to the New Orleans community. I bet he just wants to be paid more than Mario Williams due to his ego, not the actual dollar difference

[Gonzo]

The NFL seriously needs to do something about rookie salaries. Make it so that you can only make just over league minimum first year to avoid these holdouts.


They'll just hold out so their contracts guarantee them big money in their second season.

[Evil Vito]

They'll just hold out so their contracts guarantee them big money in their second season.

<font color=goldenrod>Then make it like this:

-Implement a rookie salary (a fluctuating price range but rookies can make no more or less than that amount)

-As soon as you are drafted, you automatically receive a one-year contract from the team at a certain rookie salary (1st rounders will make the rookie maximum, 7th rounders rookie minimum, and everything in between)

-After the season, the team you were on automatically gets the rights to your. Once again, you can only get a one year contract for the next season, this time there would be a "2nd year salary" or something. It'd be higher than rookie salary, and the window fluctuates depending on the player's production in 2007. If you choose not to re-sign with the team, it won't matter because this rule will effect any 2nd year guy. Even if you go to a new team you can't make more than a certain amount as long as you are a 2nd year guy.

-Given the average NFL career length this process shouldn't last longer than 2-3 years, but it'd keep young guys from being greedy and it'll force them to prove they are worth the big bucks in the 3rd or 4th year (when they can then sign any contract they want, like the present FA market)

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Overall it's sorta like baseball's system. Obviously the players association would never allow this to happen but I think it would definately improve the game.</font>

[DrA]

Well, Ricky Williams broke his arm.

There goes my Canadian fantasy football team.

[DaveWadding]

Ty Law signs with the Kansas City Chokes.

[Kris P Lettus]

It is predicted that Bush will only miss a few days of training camp which start here in Jacktown this week.. This comes from the local paper with quotes from his agent..

Oh and Stima, for the record, the money he has "donated" to New Orleans is only because Fred McAffee made him promise 25% of all jersey sales to Katrina victoms.. That's why McAffee gave him number 25 (which he's had since high school)..

[BCWWF]

I remember right after the draft Bush was only getting good press from New Orleans, and was saying that he didn't forsee himself holding out at all.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh and Stima, for the record, the money he has "donated" to New Orleans is only because Fred McAffee made him promise 25% of all jersey sales to Katrina victoms.. That's why McAffee gave him number 25 (which he's had since high school)..I dunno man, pretty sure he paid cash out of his pocket so a high school football stadium could be rebuilt and a large number of schools are gonna be using it.

I know he had to donate 25% cuz of that deal, but he was putting that idea out there anyways, saying if he got to wear #5 he'd do the same deal.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Also I don't think anything needs to be done about rookie contracts, maybe just a cap on signing bonuses, I definetly wouldn't use the MLB system because the two sports are completely different. Rookies hardly ever go straight into the bigs in MLB, therefore you'd have guys like Reggie Bush selling tickets and he'd never get a cut of the money in the first year. Plus there is tons of other differences to go along with it. They really can't do much to change the current system they have now though. A lot of guys never even see the money they sign for anyways, due to restructures and releases. What you really need to look at is the signing bonus, since that is the only amount that is actaully given to the player no matter what happens.

Way too many risks in football to deny a big time player (like a Reggie Bush, Larry Fitzgerald etc) a big pay day til they are in their 3rd year.

[DrA]

God, the Buffalo Bills have had one of the worst offseasons I have ever seen. There's no way that team wins more than three games this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol I can't believe they took Donte Whitner with the 8th pick. He is a pretty good player but they could have definetly done a trade (I'd say atleast 20 picks away) and still got him.

[D Mac]

Ty Law signs with the Kansas City Chokes.

CHIEFS :mad: :foc:

[D Mac]

WE WILL WIN THE WEST :mad:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Kansas City will be what they always are, a good team, not a real threat for the Championship though

[CNM]

WE WILL WIN THE WEST :mad:

LOL

[D Mac]

We'll see who gets the last laugh son.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I wouldn't be too optimistic if I were you. Herm Edwards managed to change the Jets from a playoff team to a shambles (admittedly with a good deal of help from the front office)

[D Mac]

Then we will lynch him.

[DrA]

The AFC is going to be interesting this year, mainly because the 'big four' in that conference (New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Denver) don't have as much depth as they have had in previous years. I think there's going to be a team, maybe the Dolphins, maybe the Jaguars, maybe even the Chiefs, who come out of nowhere and dominate the conference this year.

[D Mac]

the Chiefs, who come out of nowhere and dominate the conference this year.

yep

[Skippord]

Javon Walker will torch Ty Law

[DrA]

I don't know, those torn ACLs can ruin careers.

[Gonzo]

I think we're going to see a change in power from the AFC to the NFC in years to come, in respect to the dominant conference.

[Skippord]

I don't know, those torn ACLs can ruin careers.
Crap he tore his ACL I thought it was his arm he hurt for some reason

[mrslackalack]

Its amazing to me on how while most of the best NBA players either left school early or came from HS. Most of the top NFL guys however (LJ, Alexander, Manning, LT etc.) stayed all 4 years of school.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well in the NBA you can be 6-7' weigh 185 pounds and bench press 185 4 times (Shaun Livingston) and still be good, where as in the NFL you can't really get by with those type of numbers.

[Gonzo]

Well in the NBA you can be 6-7' weigh 185 pounds and bench press 185 4 times (Shaun Livingston) and still be good, where as in the NFL you can't really get by with those type of numbers.

Yeah I was going to say something like that.

In the NFL a huge part of success is being physically mature to handle the wear and tear of the business. Basketball is less physically demanding in some aspects, whereas in the NFL, you need to have that right "football build" before you should step on the field.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol Odell Thurman just got suspended for 4 games for breaking the NFL substance abuse policy. The Bengals are like the Portland Trailblazers of the NFL

[AlphaBean]

You know, the Vikings weren't quite good enough on defense last year, so they had to pick up fuckin' Dwight Smith, Tank Williams, Ben Leber, DeQuincey Scott, Chad Greenway and Cedric Griffin (is that the CB from Texas' name?),

Well, I just gotta say that with the pickup of Smith, the Viqueens actually have me a little happy for the coming season. I'll just turn it off when the offense has the ball.

[DrA]

Hey Diesel Mac, aren't you the one (of many) that hate the Cowboys? I could never understand why a Kansas City Chiefs fan would hate them, considering that if it wasn't for the Cowboys the Dallas Texans would have never moved to Kansas City.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You know, the Vikings weren't quite good enough on defense last year, so they had to pick up fuckin' Dwight Smith, Tank Williams, Ben Leber, DeQuincey Scott, Chad Greenway and Cedric Griffin (is that the CB from Texas' name?),

Well, I just gotta say that with the pickup of Smith, the Viqueens actually have me a little happy for the coming season. I'll just turn it off when the offense has the ball.
No faith

[D Mac]

Hey Diesel Mac, aren't you the one (of many) that hate the Cowboys? I could never understand why a Kansas City Chiefs fan would hate them, considering that if it wasn't for the Cowboys the Dallas Texans would have never moved to Kansas City.

I hate all Texas teams. Because I spent a year in Texas and it was the worst year of my life.

[DrA]

Fair enough.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

lol Odell Thurman just got suspended for 4 games for breaking the NFL substance abuse policy. The Bengals are like the Portland Trailblazers of the NFL

Didn't that happen a couple weeks ago? That's why they took that Ahmad Brooks kid in the supplemental draft.

[DrA]

It was made official yesterday though.

[Boomer]

No wonder Odell was a beast for me in fantasy last year.

[Kris P Lettus]

The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off that the Saints goit rid of Smith.. He was one of the best D-Backs we had last year (next to the Predator).. All they said about it was he "didn't fit the scheme the new coaching staff is looking for"..

What, they don't like veterans who play hard every down??

Damn you Alphabean..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Didn't that happen a couple weeks ago? That's why they took that Ahmad Brooks kid in the supplemental draft.
lol Solid replacement, a guy who barely played in his last season because he got kicked off the Virgina football for bad conduct.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wooooooo, all Giants picks officially signed.

This is what Accorsi never gets credit for. Almost every year he gets all his picks signed before the start of training camp (an area a lot of teams struggle in)</font>

[OssMan]

I'm ready for MATHIAS KIWANUKA to be an impact player this year and fill in at one of the positions that we struggled a lot with last year; Defensive End.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Kiwanukkkaaa

He can dunk from the free throw line :y:

[Evil Vito]

I'm ready for MATHIAS KIWANUKA to be an impact player this year and fill in at one of the positions that we struggled a lot with last year; Defensive End.

<font color=goldenrod>Admittedly, at first I disliked the pick because we are stacked at DE, but really it's a smart move. Strahan's confirmed he's probably gonna retire within 2 years, Osi had a huge year but who knows if he can keep it up, and Tuck can go either way. Kiwi will may even spell Strahan a few drives each game this year.</font>

[DrA]

Browns lose center Bentley for season

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/CLE/9574072

Wow, what a kick in the teeth to the Browns.

[mrslackalack]

Young gets a bigger rookie contract than Williams. Reggie Bush will snap.

[SammyG]

Wow, Browns are really getting jewed by their draft picks in the past years.

[mrslackalack]

Wow, Browns are really getting jewed by their draft picks in the past years.

:y:

[DrA]

Nah, LeCharles Bentley wasn't drafted by the Browns, they signed him from New Orleans.

[SammyG]

D'Brickshaw is a god damn animal, holy shit.

[AlphaBean]

No faith

No reason for faith. In the last two seasons, my three reasons for having faith in the Vikings were traded away.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Young gets a bigger rookie contract than Williams. Reggie Bush will snap.

I doubt he has...he probably has comparable up front payments but from what I read previous Williams has huge incentives that will take his deal way past Young's reported figures if he hits them.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I heard if they both get their full contracts (like all the incentives etc which is doubtful) Vince Young's contract will be more money than Williams's

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Willie Roaf retires from the Chiefs

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9575606

Well, there goes the best O-Line in the league</font>

[SammyG]

No Rams training camp coverage on NFL Network :(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

<font color=goldenrod>Willie Roaf retires from the Chiefs

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9575606

Well, there goes the best O-Line in the league</font>

Nice of him to make up his mind before free agency and the draft

[RP]

suicide watch on deisle cack.

[Kris P Lettus]

Nah, LeCharles Bentley wasn't drafted by the Browns, they signed him from New Orleans.


He was good but now I'm kinda glad we don't have him anymore..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit. Vernon Davis' deal makes him the highest paid TE in the league</font> :|

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

There goes Larry Johnson's 2000 yard season - both tackles retired

[Kris P Lettus]

BTW Willie Roaf has the coolest name ever..

[OssMan]

Wow this rookie contract thing is getting ridiculous. People need to shut up

[RP]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit. Vernon Davis' deal makes him the highest paid TE in the league</font> :|


rofl thats sad

[D Mac]

There goes Larry Johnson's 2000 yard season - both tackles retired

Nah we still got enough to get the job done like Will Shields. And Larry is awesome.

[D Mac]

suicide watch on deisle cack.

:foc:

[RP]

Rookie Contracts will end up putting the NFL on a strike in a couple of years.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah the percentage of the profits shared with the players will be what ends up causing a strike...why would rookie contracts cause a strike?

[RP]

I mean i could be wrong, but think about this. There is no way in hell any rookie period should be paid more at there position then an established all pro player. Vernon Davis has no business being paid more then Antonio Gates or atleast 10 other tight ends in the league. This type of thing will continue to happen. Reggie Bush will probably end up being paid better then most of the top running backs in the league today. What I think this will do is make players start holding out for bigger and bigger contract extension. Teams wont be able to afford there star players cause rookies at the same position are getting paid more and they think they deserve more then a rookie. The collective bargaining agreement that the NFL has in place will be in shambles. Contracts extension will be bigger and bigger. More players will be switching teams then ever before. The league will take a stand and say " Hey this is nuts. Rookies are getting paid to much and because of that are 3 and 4 year players are getting paid WAY to mush " and you know the players union will be deadset against the league stopping this, because the players are making alot of money and they dont want that to be taken away. Which is why i can see a strike in the future.

I could be wrong. I'm not sure how the CBA is set up now, but its possible.

[RP]

Refresh me on the profit sharing issue again. I've heard something about that, but not really sure what it means.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Basically the players want to make a cut of what the team makes, so whatever the team profits is divided among the players. I'm not sure on the exact percentage right now, I think its around 50%? I assume they take an average of what all the teams make or something, since some teams make more than others but they all have the same salary cap.

So when the next CBA comes up, the NFLPA is gonna be pushing for a larger percentage, while the owners obviously are not. So that is going to lead to a strike I think, the rookie contract thing really can't lead to a strike since there isn't a president for a rookies contract. It is not like a team HAS (like required by the CBA set by the owners/NFLPA) to pay huge money to guys and the rookie numbers are inflated anyways. Hardly any of these rookies will see the money which they signed for. What you need to look at is the signing bonus and the first year salary, since those are the only amounts which are guarented to go to the player. Rookies who aren't first rounders kinda get screwed tho, since they sign pretty low 5 year contracts, so if the rookie ends up being really good, the team has their rights for low money for those 5 years. If you end up sucking tho the team can just cut you with no problems, so you got guys like Deion Branch barely making 1 million dollars in his 5th year because of that.

The rookie contract thing isn't really that big of a deal, it happens every year, you got like 10 or so guys coming out and getting a huge signing bonus and thats that. Pretty sure with guys like Vernon Davis (or more likely their agents - I am sure every agent wants to be able to say they worked a rookie into getting the highest contract at their position) they just want to be called the highest paid tight end in the NFL, I highly doubt when the dust clears that he wil end up making more than somebody like Gates or Heap

[RP]

But in a sense they are beacause like you said. Gates contract dosnt guarantee him all that money. While a rookie like Davis is coming in with a quarter of Gates contract guaranteed and up front and alot of it guaranteed through the next 5 or so years. I say Gates, because he didnt get that huge Rookie contract like others have. He earned his money and he's the best TE in the league. So he should be mad when someone who hasnt played 1 year of football is making more money then him.

Teams are being forced to draft someone they can actually afford and not someone they really need but cant pay. See Houston. Reggie Bush wasnt drafted #1 cause Mario Williams was the better pick. Reggie bush wasnt drafted #1 because Mario Williams was a guy Houston could afford. Every year rookies salaries coming in are getting higher and higher. No team wants to pay a gu 50 mill and a 13 mil bonus up front when he hasnt done anything yet. Sooner or later these rookie salaries will need to be capped. Say for instance Reggie Bush gets a contract that makes him the highest paid RB in the league. And two years later he flops. Then you have lets say Tomlinson who his basically dominating his position and he says two years later " Hey my contract that i got like 3 years ago (?) isnt good enough. I should be paid more then this guy ( insert Reggie Bush's name and contract here ). How do owners argue against that? How does the owner of the Chargers say " Yah we know your the 3rd or 4th highest paid RB now behind a flopping Reggie Bush and two other rookie rbs that were recently drafted, but we arent going to give you that kind of money" They cant. They either have to pay or trade him or let him go in FA. Because Tomlinson has the best argument possible for being paid like the highest RB in the league. Its a trickle affect that i think only now is starting to be realised, but in a couple of years i think we could see 10-15 superstar all pro caliber players moving from team to team because of contract situations stemming from how big of contracts unproven players are being payed .

Maybe i'm looking to far into this.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Texans might not have drafted Reggie because atm he seems to be a bit of a jerk, also.

But yeah, rookie contracts definitely need some sort of cap. Sooner or later there will be another Tim Couch.

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints encouraged by QB Brees, RB McAllister Click here to find out more!
NFL.com wire reports

JACKSON, Miss. (July 28, 2006) -- Reggie Bush 's contract holdout not withstanding, the New Orleans Saints ' season could hinge most on the recoveries of marquee veterans Drew Brees and Deuce McAllister.

The opening practice of training camp provided what head coach Sean Payton viewed as encouraging signs for the new starting quarterback and stalwart running back.

Brees fired 25-yard passes over the middle -- accurately -- on several occasions, and showed finesse on a 30-yard fade along the sideline that was hauled in nicely by sure-handed rookie Mike Hass.

McAllister, wearing a black sleeve on his surgically repaired right knee, took part in all first-team drills. But more telling for Payton was a set of timed 300-yard shuttle runs he put the team through earlier in the day during sweltering heat.

"I was pleased with how he ran. I was pretty excited about it," Payton said. "I don't know if he's 100 percent yet, but he's progressing."

Their performances enlivened a crowd of 1,720 in the stands at Millsaps College. Fans howled a prolonged "Deuce" on several occasions and shouted Brees' name as well.

McAllister -- a Mississippi native -- boldly said he intended to give Saints fans every reason to keep calling his name come fall.

"My goal is to make the Pro Bowl and put this team in the playoffs. It's going to take 1,400 or 1,500 yards to do it," he said.

However, he later said he couldn't be certain that he's as healthy as he thinks he is "until you really get that first hit on it. That's when you really will know."

"I feel good about it. ... The burst (of speed) is coming. I'm able to make the cuts that I want," he added.

Payton, a former college quarterback who saw very brief stints playing pro, said he thought Brees looked good and "located the ball well."

Brees said he could play immediately.

"No doubt at all. I could go right now," Brees said.

Brees said he intends to limit himself to about 80 throws per day during training camp solely for precautionary reasons. He has been throwing since April and there had been days during his rehabilitation on which he threw as many as 100 passes.

He began with short passes and has worked his way up to about 55 yards, he said. While he feels strong enough to do more, he wants to follow a more cautious schedule with the regular season still more than a month away.

"You don't throw more that 80 times in a game anyway," Brees said. "I am right where I want to be right now."

There was little news concerning Bush's contract. Reached by phone in New York, Bush's agent, Joel Segal, said he wanted to stick to his policy of not discussing negotiations until the deal is done.

Payton and several players said they weren't concerned about it -- yet.

"I haven't set a point where you start worrying," Payton said. "You remain optimistic and you try to get better. ... There are so many other things on my plate right now."

Other than Bush, there were two no-shows, one of whom was excused. Payton said he had spoken recently with reserve quarterback Jamie Martin and permitted him to report to camp late for "personal reasons."

Eight-year veteran linebacker Anthony Simmons also did not show. Payton did not say if he knew why but called it an unexcused absence.

Meanwhile, kick return specialist Michael Lewis pedaled a stationary bike on the sideline along with defensive tackle McKinley Boykin, a rookie out of Mississippi.

Lewis, who had knee surgery last season, had participated in minicamp in June before having additional arthroscopic surgery in late June. Payton said Lewis' knee was enflamed recently and coaches decided it would be better for him to sit out practice.

WHO DAT?!?!?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So Gates doesn't get big money coming out because he was unknown rookie, so what does he do? He gets big in like 1 or 2 seasons then holds out demanding a bigger and better contract (Much like Deion Branch is doing right now) Pretty sure Gates held last year and got a new deal before the season.

But yeah true players love seeing other plays making tons of money because then they feel they can go out there and get the money as well. This has been happening forever though, while the salaries continue to get higher - the amount the teams make gets higher and the salary cap gets higher. So it is all balanced increases really. I am sure David Carr was making a lot more than a lot of other starting QBs in the NFL when he came too, samething with Peyton Manning or any first round top 10 pick. It is just the way the NFL has been working for years now (I'd guess around the time free agency came into play) Vernon Davis being the top paid TE is a bit ridiculous, I totally agree with that but things like Mario Williams' contract, Vince Young's contract really aren't to me since it happens every single year.

[SammyG]

Stima knows his shit.

[RP]

I think when Manning came out Bret Farve and Elway were the highest paid still. When Carr came out Farve was still the highest paid. I dont recall ever seeing a rookie get paid the most money at his position. I'm not completely sure though.

Gates had one great year, but that year was pretty much amazing. You could make an argument that he was one of the best players in football that year. The fact that he was undrafted and got hardly any money at all, yet he established himself as the best TE in the league, was cause for a better contract.

[OssMan]

Remember that one AlphaBean post when he was making fun of Rectal Pertruder and he was all "Oh snap! That's the sound Peyton Manning's chinstrap makes when he puts his helmet on." :wavesad:

[RP]

:|

[DrA]

Nah we still got enough to get the job done like Will Shields. And Larry is awesome.

Whenever someone says the words "we still got enough" while talking about their team, you know that they're all but screwed for the season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think when Manning came out Bret Farve and Elway were the highest paid still. When Carr came out Farve was still the highest paid. I dont recall ever seeing a rookie get paid the most money at his position. I'm not completely sure though.Well yeah they weren't the HIGHEST paid at QB but they were definetly up there.

an average QB makes a lot more than an average TE too, gotta take that into consideration.

How many TEs are like "big time" guys? Gates, Gonzo, Heap, Shockey (kinda over -hyped IMO) and uhh

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Trent Green will suck without Willie, check out his stats when Roaf has been out with an injury. Would be surprised if the Cheifs even made the playoffs now, people don't look at the OLine as a big or see them as "easy to replace" since they aren't big time stars and don't have people buying their jerseys but they are the most important players on the offense. Without them none of the Superstars are gonna get shit.

[Joey Slugs]

ESPN Breaking News:

Bush, Saints Agree to Deal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2534056)

[Kris P Lettus]

I knew it would happen by Monday..

WOOOOO

I will post pictures..

WHO DAT??

[RP]

You're more annoying then me. Atleast my team will see the playoffs.

[D Mac]

So will mine.

[D Mac]

Trent Green will suck without Willie, check out his stats when Roaf has been out with an injury. Would be surprised if the Cheifs even made the playoffs now, people don't look at the OLine as a big or see them as "easy to replace" since they aren't big time stars and don't have people buying their jerseys but they are the most important players on the offense. Without them none of the Superstars are gonna get shit.


Green is a good descision maker he'll be aaaigght.

[Crimson]

Went to Cowboys training camp yesterday...T.O.'s body is sick he looked noticably bigger than the other wr's. Hopefully he can keep his mouth shut.

[Kris P Lettus]

You're more annoying then me. Atleast my team will see the playoffs.

Yeah, it's just sad that y'all can see past the playoffs..

[RP]

Yeah, it's just sad that y'all can see past the playoffs..


good one :y:

[Kris P Lettus]

Don't get me wrong, I like the Colts.. But, as a Saints fan for over 20 years, can you blame me for being optimistic this season?? Fuck sake, I'm optimistic every season, it's just that this year, I have good reason to be.. New coaching staff, new QB, new phenominal young RB, new LB, etc etc etc..

Once again, can you blame me??

[RP]

There's no problem being optimistic, but i'm trying to remind you that your team is the Saints.

[Kris P Lettus]

lol

Eat a bowl of penis...

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This is the NFL you really can't predict what is going to happen - cuz anything could happen. Maybe The Saints could make the Superbowl? Who knows, or maybe even Colts could win the Superbowl....well maybe not anything

[Kris P Lettus]

lol

:heart:

[The Miz]

SHUT UP YOU HIPOCRITICAL PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!

[DrA]

This is the NFL you really can't predict what is going to happen - cuz anything could happen. Maybe The Saints could make the Superbowl? Who knows, or maybe even Colts could win the Superbowl....well maybe not anything

Yeah, for real.

How many years have you guys been watching football? And how many times have your/the media's shitty predictions been completely accurate?

You would think people would learn by now.

[DaveWadding]

Green is a good descision maker he'll be aaaigght.

He's also a statue in the pocket. I bet he breaks Favre's INT record this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

But Favre's a GUN SLINGER, its alright

[AlphaBean]

Don't get me wrong, I like the Colts.. But, as a Saints fan for over 20 years, can you blame me for being optimistic this season?? Fuck sake, I'm optimistic every season, it's just that this year, I have good reason to be.. New coaching staff, new QB, new phenominal young RB, new LB, etc etc etc..

Once again, can you blame me??

To be fair, who the fuck is Nail Diggs? He and Mike McKenzie were overhyped players who stood out like a sore thumb as average players on a piss-poor defense.

You also lost the Superbowl MVP...

Saints are gonna be the greatest show on turf this year, but gonna lose games 35-34.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah their offense looks like it could be good (don't know much about their offensive line) but I haven't heard much about their defense. I know they got Will Smith on the edge but that's about all I know. I don't remember them picking up anyone that big in the draft either, but we'll see.

[DrA]

To be fair, who the fuck is Nail Diggs? He and Mike McKenzie were overhyped players who stood out like a sore thumb as average players on a piss-poor defense.

You also lost the Superbowl MVP...

Saints are gonna be the greatest show on turf this year, but gonna lose games 35-34.

Wasn't it Carolina that acquired Na'il Diggs? I can't remember.

[Joey Slugs]

The Bears will win the NFC North (by default) this season.

[RP]

No actually i think the Packers will

[AlphaBean]

Wasn't it Carolina that acquired Na'il Diggs? I can't remember.

Maybe. I know that Krispy is bragging about a linebacker they got when their defense already sucked and they lost Darren Howard and Dwight Smith... and Jonathan Sullivan...

Bummer, dudes.

[Kris P Lettus]

Johnathan Sullivan is a fat piece of garbage.. Much better off with Brian Young..

We did not get Na'il Diggs.. Who is this Superbowl MVP you speak of??

[DrA]

Dwight Smith.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Saints got Bethel Johnson, he can run really fast in a straight line :y:

[Kris P Lettus]

Dwight Smith.

He was the Bucs Super Bowl MVP?? I never realized..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah he ran back 2 INTs for TDs

[The Miz]

lol Rich Gannon

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://www.sportsnet.com.mx/nLigas/NFL/Menus/SuperBowl/JuegoxJuego/sb37/superbowl/superbowl1.jpg
http://i.eurosport.fr/2006/02/05/248919-804722-320-239.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah he ran back 2 INTs for TDs

Yeah, I know, but I didn't realize/remember he was their MVP..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Probably because it was the most boring Superbowl ever.

Atleast the Patriots weren't in it, they have the most boring Superbowls I guess, since everyone was "sick" of seeing them in it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Brady returned to practice today without any mention to why he had missed the last 3. Reggie Bush also practiced, on the article I read it was noted that he was wearing cleats with gold tips? lol COOL MAN, everyone seems to be real hyped with Reggie Bush being around though. Thought that was pretty interesting, even guys like Joe Horn saying how he seems like a "cool cat" and shit. Bush is legit, Houston made a huge mistake. If they drafted Bush nobody would have faulted them if they didn't end up being good (highly unlikely) but now if Bush blows up everybody will all over the Texans front office (and they will probably be on the way out)

[Kris P Lettus]

I didn't go to the practice..

:(

[SammyG]

Steven Jackson is gonna be elite this year.

[DaveWadding]

Yeah, I know, but I didn't realize/remember he was their MVP..

Prolly because it was Dexter Jackson who was the Super Bowl MVP that year.

[Kris P Lettus]

ahahaha

PWN3D

http://www.superbowl.com/history/mvps

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Chiefs traded for Michael Bennett

[Kris P Lettus]

Just saw that on NFL Live.. We still have Deuce, Bush, Stecker, and McAffee..

[Kris P Lettus]

I may be behind, but what happened to Priest?? I know he was hurt and Larry Johnson had a steller season.. What happen since??

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought it was Dexter Jackson too at first but then when I googled Dwight Smith couple of sites said he was Superbowl MVP...weird

Pretty sure Holmes had lingering effects from his neck/spine injury or something? Like career threatening.

[Kris P Lettus]

So he's not playing anywhere this season??

[D Mac]

Chiefs traded for Michael Bennett
:y:

[SammyG]

Trying to not get my hopes up too much, in case the Rams suck some ass again. But damn, they are lookin good.

[DrA]

With everyone going ape over Seattle and Arizona, I would not be surprised if St. Louis won that division.

[SammyG]

Bulger is gonna be back, healthy, and hopefully he wont get injured again, Linehan is installing a lot of 2 tight end schemes, designed to protect the quarterback. HOPEFULLY, they commit to the running game more, Steven Jackson can be a stud. If the offensive line lets him of course. They made some moves defensively too, drafted Hill, Got Fahkir Brown, Corey Chavous, Will Witherspoon, Laroi Glover. Hopefully they can turn it around. I'm just glad Martz is gone. No more crazy play bullshit.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

So he's not playing anywhere this season??

I don't think they know yet, and grabbed Bennett as insurance.

I read somewhere it was for a 4th rounder, which for a guy who they picked up in free agency I guess is ok.

[SammyG]

Hm. Rams got Moe Williams too. Pretty solid running backs, Steven Jackson starting, Tony Fisher and Moe Williams as the backups.

[Kris P Lettus]

Mo Williams was the man at Tulane..

Too bad he went to the Viqueens..

[BCWWF]

Moe Williams was always a very solid goalline back, he was one of the NFL leaders in touchdowns one year somehow. I think he was in the whole love boat thing though, and it was all kind of downhill from there.

[SammyG]

Preseason kickin off today. Kinda lookin forward to the Rams/Colts game in 6 days.

[DrA]

Ahahah...My dad knows this rich guy who bet $10,000 on Oakland to win last night, only because he hates Philadelphia for making the movie about Tom Hanks getting AIDS.

[Kris P Lettus]

WOW

So dude won a shitton of money because of some sappy homosexual drama from the '90s??

NICE

[Kris P Lettus]

Arron Brooks LOL

[Joey Slugs]

WOW

So dude won a shitton of money because of some sappy homosexual drama from the '90s??

NICE

What's worse is that he dropped 10G on a fucking preseason game.

[AlphaBean]

Brady returned to practice today without any mention to why he had missed the last 3. Reggie Bush also practiced, on the article I read it was noted that he was wearing cleats with gold tips? lol COOL MAN, everyone seems to be real hyped with Reggie Bush being around though. Thought that was pretty interesting, even guys like Joe Horn saying how he seems like a "cool cat" and shit. Bush is legit, Houston made a huge mistake. If they drafted Bush nobody would have faulted them if they didn't end up being good (highly unlikely) but now if Bush blows up everybody will all over the Texans front office (and they will probably be on the way out)

Like Charlie Casserly? Was he cut loose before or after the Bush fiasco?

Also, Moe Williams went downhill two years ago when he got old. He's still old, and slower than before, but he has excellent push, and is one of the best blocking backs I've seen. He blew up Brian Urlacher a couple years ago, sent the fucker flying into the air, I justabout creamed my pants watching that.

Rams will be awesome, their TEs will tear shit up, and Raonall Smith is going to prove his worth finally.

IN OTHER NEWS, DWIGHT SMITH WINS THE TIGHT SAFETY BATTLE FROM TANK WILLIAMS IN MINNESOTA.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Rodney Harrison returned to practice yesterday, hopefully they can get Deion Branch into camp soon.

[ClockShot]

The votes are in. Roger Goodell is the new NFL commish. Elected unanimously as I'm reading. Here's the story. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoBV01POJgSojhaNlEVmnGVDubYF?slug=ap-nflcommissioner&prov=ap&type=lgns

On a side note, I've heard Prince got the spot for the Superbowl Halftime Show.

[Skippord]

Mike Bell

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah if Mike Bell actaully ends up as the starting RB this season that is pretty ridiculous, especially since the NFL draft has 7 rounds.

[CNM]

Terrell Davis was drafted in the 7th round, so who knows

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I am a bit surprised Bell didn't get drafted, I remember hearing a few good things about him while he was playing at UofA

[BCWWF]

They've also got Damien Nash now though

[Joey Slugs]

I'm going to Solider Field for the Bears "@ home" practice tonight. Kinda pissed that I won't be able to see Benson get some work in.

[Joey Slugs]

#23 Devin Hester

http://www.chicagobears.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/MKKPINLIMMFB/hester_2006.jpg (http://www.chicagobears.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=15449)

Watch out for this kid.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots running game looked real nice tonight, even like the 4th and 5th stingers where busting out big yards.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/PACK111081217_lower.jpg
Jungle Fever

[BCWWF]

I think that is the coolest stadium in football

[Kris P Lettus]

Reggie Bush just busted a 44 yard run..

WHO DAT?!?!

[The Outlaw]

lol

[BCWWF]

Outlaw, that was about the worst usage of an "LOL" as I've seen. I just had to venture back to page 24 to find the last post, and damnit, it wasn't even funny!!!!!!!!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol I like how you post about the stadium after my jungle fever comment

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Beaver Stadium is pretty cool but I still like the Shoe better.

[BCWWF]

In case anybody is wondering, because I was, that insurance ad where there is a guy walking around a big empty stadium talking about insurance, it is the LA Coliseum. I did some research.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I actaully never wondered that.

lol Adrian Peterson got hit by a mascot driving a golf cart WHO DAT!?!?! http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9598831

[DrA]

Apparently Mario Williams got his ass handed to him last night. I know it's only one preseason game, but it must be discouraging, especially after seeing what Reggie Bush was doing.

[OssMan]

I actaully never wondered that.

lol Adrian Peterson got hit by a mascot driving a golf cart WHO DAT!?!?! http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9598831oh i thought you meant that college running back,

dude its adrian mcpherson the freaking qb for the saints.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

haha I ment to type McPherson but I typed Peterson for some reason

my b nigs

[el fregadero]

lol Adrian McPherson. I remember in Madden last year I traded to get him as my back-up QB for like my entire career. He was a solid holder.

[SammyG]

Poor Clinton Portis

[OssMan]

HAHA Portis, maybe something to shut up the stupid skins fans nah prolly not, they probably think Rock Cartwright is the next Barry Sanders. So I guess the Redskins are still superbowl champs this year. i hope they go 0-16

[Kris P Lettus]

This whole mascot hitting our backup qb shit is ridiculous..

HE GOT HURT BY A MASCOT DRIVING A GOLF CART

WTF

He's a pretty good backup also, mad athletic scrambler, kinda like Mike Vick without the rep..

Aarron Stecker got hurt Sat night too.. I'll check out his status..

p.s. Portis is the man.. He hurt himself making a hell of a tackle and saving a td.. Nice tackle..

[BCWWF]

Just found out I've got tickets to the Vikes preseason opener tonight against Oakland. :y:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So AssMan, Clinton Portis is now out for the year after paritally dislocating his shoulder?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

But yeah McPherson woulda tore it up while he was FSU if he didn't kicked off the team for doing really stupid shit. I'm not surprised he is doing well in a back up roll, he is like a better verison of Marcus Vick.

[The Outlaw]

Preseason is ridiculous.

[OssMan]

So AssMan, Clinton Portis is now out for the year after paritally dislocating his shoulder?Nah you don't understand. The Redskins are superbowl champions this year no matter what happens to their team. I mean take a look at the past 5 seasons - all in which they have won the superbowl.

2001: Skins get Marty Schottenheimer - Superbowl
2002: Skins get Steve Spurrier AND draft future HOF Patrick Ramsey - Superbowl
2003: Spurrier year 2 can't go wrong with Laveranues Coles - Superbowl
2004: Joe Gibbs Returns!!!!!!!! - Superbowl
2005: Mark Brunell - Superbowl

Skins are 5 time defending champs. There's no need to even play this season because the Skins already won.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Assman, say something that isn't retarded once in your life please.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah what are you talking about? Alls I am saying is that you overreacting to Clinton Portis getting hurt about a month away from the season starting.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

And when did the Raiders move Darnell Bing to linebacker and why haven't I heard about this? I am kinda surprised by that

[DrA]

I saw him play linebacker in the first preseason game, but he looked like he struggled a little bit.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He's too slow to play Safety in the NFL

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just did some searching, didn't realize he fell so far in the draft either.

[DrA]

Nah you don't understand. The Redskins are superbowl champions this year no matter what happens to their team. I mean take a look at the past 5 seasons - all in which they have won the superbowl.

2001: Skins get Marty Schottenheimer - Superbowl
2002: Skins get Steve Spurrier AND draft future HOF Patrick Ramsey - Superbowl
2003: Spurrier year 2 can't go wrong with Laveranues Coles - Superbowl
2004: Joe Gibbs Returns!!!!!!!! - Superbowl
2005: Mark Brunell - Superbowl

Skins are 5 time defending champs. There's no need to even play this season because the Skins already won.

The New York media is much more guilty of that with the Giants than even Washington

[RoXer]

Cards sign Lienart FINALLY

[BCWWF]

I didn't realize that Ramsey was only drafted in 2002, thought he was older.

Anyway, went to the Vikings game tonight and I guess I will post some thoughts in bullet form.

*The starting defense looked great, the offense was OK and the special teams coverage was awful. I disagree with the ESPN analysts who were praising the offensive line. The McKinney/Hutchingson/Birk connection was really hyped up, but I thought they were quite average. I expect them to get better, but the fact that Chester Taylor was held completely in check shows that something wasn't right. Brad Johnson was basically average, like he has always been. Koren Robinson gives me some hope for a strong receiver, but the other guys don't give me any hope. I think Mewelde will win out the starting job if he plays again like he did tonight.

*Tavaris Jackson was awesome. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he wins the starting job this year when BJ inevitably gets injured. He definately has some work, some bad decisions that could have led to interceptions against a first string offense, but I think he is one of the guys who will actually turn out to be a success.

*I'm not sure what to think about Childress to this point. He has been getting a lot of credit in the media, but again disagreeing with the ESPN analysts, the first string and second string offenses were not great tonight. Maybe we were spoiled with the great offenses when Denny Green was here and later with Moss in his prime, but the offense is going to have to be better than it was tonight. My problem with Childress is that this team really lacked an identity. Fuck, two years ago Moss and Culpepper were awesome, huge fan favorites. This year it is kind of like "boring, ineffective run play, repeat, maybe mix in a pass." Tice wasn't the smartest head coach, but I liked his style. You knew the Vikings were going to come out and do something different. With Childress, it is all business. If it works out, I guess it will be accepted here, but if this team is just average for the next two years, I'd rather have fun and be average with Tice.

*Chad Greenway had a nice tackle on special teams, I guess we'll see where he ends up after leaving with a knee injury. The new linebacker, can't remember his name but five year vet from Kansas State, I like this guy. He brings an identity to what should be one of the leagues better defenses this year. It's too bad we are without Tank, I was always a big fan of Chavous too.

*I really do feel for Moss. He was loved in Minnesota by all of the fans and was an incredible wide receiver. He was awesome the last year he was here, but because Joe Buck overreacted, the Vikings crumbled under pressure and traded him. In retrospect, the trade did neither team any good. Troy Williamson is an athletic but hard handed receiver, Napolean Harris is nothing special and Moss is barely one of the better receivers in the league. Watching him play again was nostalgic, I wanted him to get a touchdown and I'm sure a lot of people did too. He should have gotten a touchdown. He was wide open on two plays in Oaklands first drive (not in the end zone on both of them) but Aaron Brooks couldn't find him and threw it away. Moss was the man in Minnesota, he knows that and everybody else knows that. Although we (the fans) would take him back with arms wide open, that isn't going to happen because we are a completely different team now. That being said, I don't think he will be in Oakland next year. He is just too amazing of a talent to be on such a bad team with such a bad quarterback. I think Miami is going to be a good team this year, but Moss will put them over the edge next year, teaming up with Culpepper again and being one of the top teams in the league. It's proven to work, I just can't see him staying in Oakland if he has any say in it.

[BCWWF]

Vikings are in a bad position though, open against Washington, next against Carolina and Chicago I think, we could easily start 0-3, which isn't a strong way to prepare for the playoffs. I guess that's better than a 6-0 tease though.

[Kris P Lettus]

Aarron Brooks had ONE completed pass in like 5 possesions last night..

LOL

Leinart signed a 6 year $50 mill deal with AZ..

Reggie Bush was fined $10, 000 for having the gold tipped shoes.. Addidas, his shoe company, is picking up the tab..

Who Dat??

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It would be pretty stupid, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Denny Green tried to get Moss. They'd still need an offensive line, but damn that would be some firepower.

[BCWWF]

I can't see the Cardinals doing that, you just can't have three WR's of that caliber on one team.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Chad Greenway got destoried when he hurt his knee last night. I couldn't tell who blocked him but he got pancaked

[RoXer]

Why would we need Moss?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Dennis Green is the man, TOM BRADY WAS NOT A NUMBER 10 PICK

[BCWWF]

Lol, yeah, Dennis Green really tore into Leinart the other day, and well deserved IMO.

[RoXer]

Yeah and then like an hour later he was signed. lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lurence Maroney is gonna fucking murder the Cardinals BITCH

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Chad Greenway is out for the season, that hurts

Darren Sproles as well..he was the man at K-State
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/ncf/2003/0823/photo/a_sproles_vi.jpg

[SammyG]

I am scared shitless of A.J Hawk

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, you know what eles hurts the Vikings??

USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vikings/2006-08-16-krobinson-arrested_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA)


ahahahahahahahahahaha

Everyone, laugh at AlphaBean...

[DrA]

Yeah, you know what eles hurts the Vikings??

USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vikings/2006-08-16-krobinson-arrested_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA)


ahahahahahahahahahaha

Everyone, laugh at AlphaBean...

I was hearing reports the past few months that his rehab for that type of thing was going well, but I guess he fell off the wagon pretty badly.

It's a shame, since he's a very talented player and this can only harm his career moreso.