The Dark Knight

[Heros Welcome]

Just got back...

People of TPWW believe me when I tell you that this movie lives up to ALL the hype AND THEN SOME! It was truly AMAZING!! A new standard for comic book movies has been set, as well as a crime epic!

5 stars!!

[Splaya]

This movie was so sick. Ledger played the role so well, and now we must start speculating about the next one

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I thought that 90% of this Posthumous Oscar talk for Ledger was just because of his death.

Wow. Was I wrong.

His performance MADE that movie for me. I was literally sinking into my seat at the major parts with the Joker.

[Blitz]

What a brilliant, brilliant film. I had chills through the entire movie, from beginning to end. Can't say enough good about it. Heath Ledger is the definitive Joker. What a fucking titanic performance. The voice, the posture, the facial expressions, everything was just absolutely nailed.

As good as Ledger was, I'm afraid his performance is going to leave Aaron Eckhart ignored. His performance was, I would say, on par with Ledger's. I was sold on Eckhart as Harvey, but not quite as Two Face. Happy to say I was wrong. Two Face's makeup was fucking perfect, by the way. Holy shit, he better not be dead. Two Face needs to return.

The rest of the cast was uniformly excellent, as I expected. Dunno how they can top this film with the next sequel. But I can't wait to see them try.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Anyone who is having doubts, let me give you an opinion.

I can't stand Batman. Never liked him, never considered him a Superhero, and never liked the mythology and character. I have, however, always liked the Joker.

Even with me not being a Batman fan, this is easily the best movie I've seen this year so far. And not just because of Ledger. The whole cast was incredible.

[loopydate]

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

Have to see this again as soon as possible. I can't shake it. It ended two hours ago, but it's still all I can think about.

[Champion of Europa]

I saw it again tonight. Woo theater perks!

[Lux]

I offically hate you CoE

[ron the dial]

just wow

unbelievable from every angle

[Skippord]

I was at the theater for almost 6 hours

and it was worth it

[Fox]

I went to bed at 4AM last night after my venture to see The Dark Knight in Oceola.

It is now 7:40AM, less than 4 hours later, and I am pounding a cup of coffee in preparation for seeing The Dark Knight again at 9AM.

This is NOT a bad thing by any means.

[Fox]

I went to bed at 4AM last night after my venture to see The Dark Knight in Oceola.

It is now 7:40AM, less than 4 hours later, and I am pounding a cup of coffee in preparation for seeing The Dark Knight again at 9AM.

This is NOT a bad thing by any means.

[Loose Cannon]

lol wow, you guys are getting me really excited.

[KingofOldSchool]

I want to go.

Fuck it if I don't have a chick to take with me.

I'll go alone, it's worth it.

Plus I have a free pass to go see it.

[ClockShot]

Going tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. No way in hell am I going today.

[Loose Cannon]

I'm going Sunday early as well. probably 10

[Boomer]

I need to sit on the movie for a while, but the villains made me feel more uneasy than I've ever felt in a movie.

[Heros Welcome]

Just saw it again...and of course its just as good the second time!!

[Indifferent Clox]

omg one hour

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I don't get to see this until next week (:mad:) but everything I've seen tells me it will be worth it. One more week won't hurt that much.

Question for those who've seen it though - from the more recent trailers (the Dominos one especially) I got the impression they had mixed in elements from The Killing Joke. Can anyone confirm this? Simple yay or nay will do, or if you want to go in depth please avoid spoilers :$

[Jeritron]

This isn't only the best comic book movie I've seen, it's not only the best movie of the year, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
In all honesty, that was un-fucking believable.

The Joker is beyond epic. One of the most amazing performances I've ever seen in anything and one of the absolute best movie villians.
Ledger's Joker ascends the ranks with Darth Vader and Hanibal Lecter

[mitchables]

I mentioned this in my spoilers which is why you probably didn't see it Kirk but yeah, there are plenty of Killing Joke references, undertones and moments.

[Boomer]

Question for those who have seen the movie...

When Joker told Batman where Arthur and Rachael were...did he switch the two on Bruce, so he went to the wrong place? Or did he change his mind and actually choose to save Dent?

[AdrianM]

^ I assume it was the joker joking around

[wwe2222]

This isn't only the best comic book movie I've seen, it's not only the best movie of the year, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
In all honesty, that was un-fucking believable.

The Joker is beyond epic. One of the most amazing performances I've ever seen in anything and one of the absolute best movie villians.
Ledger's Joker ascends the ranks with Darth Vader and Hanibal Lecter

:y::y::y::y:

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm gonna write a proper review another time, but for now.

Compelling. If there is no Batman-Nolan 3 I will still be satisfied with this movie. It outclasses the superhero genre as a whole IMO. Joker was great, but I'd like to give it up to Harvey Dent/Two-Face. This was his origin story all the way, masterfully done. In no way did the movie 'spiral out of control' with a wacky third act (that even Begins is guilty of). All in all, I loved it. I will watch it again.

[Fox]

Question for those who have seen the movie...

When Joker told Batman where Arthur and Rachael were...did he switch the two on Bruce, so he went to the wrong place? Or did he change his mind and actually choose to save Dent?


He purposely gave Batman the opposite directions because he knew that Batman would go after Rachel. The Joker needed Rachel to die and for Harvey to blame Batman so that he could finish turning Dent. This is why Batman is blamed for Dent's killings in the end: to undo what Joker did.

[Triple A]

Amazing movie. I hate comic book movies with a passion but I always love Batman movies for some reason. This one was tremendous and Heath Ledger was incredible. Every time he was on the screen it was ridiculously entertaining.

[Funky Fly]

OMG

Dunno what to say.

Fuck. Best movie ever.

[Indifferent Clox]

I saw it tonight. I thought Ledger and Dent were phenomenol. batman's voice was kinda eh at times and I know what he was doing but I mean... excellent twists and turns. Excellent make you think moments. Really beautiful all around. I don't know if it was the best film ever as some are claiming but it was pretty damn amazing nonetheless. 10/10 for sure

[Blitz]

Clox, that could not even be considered a mild spoiler.

[Indifferent Clox]

I like using the button.

[D Mac]

Thanks for changing the title of thread. It should be where we can change it whenever.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I mentioned this in my spoilers which is why you probably didn't see it Kirk but yeah, there are plenty of Killing Joke references, undertones and moments.

Sweet, thank you Mitchell. Might do a double-bill with this and Hellboy 2 in a couple weeks, not sure yet.

[Fox]

I've never done this before, but I might go see this again tonight, which would make it three consecutive theater viewings in three days.

I can't get The Joker out of my mind. He's up there on screen saying things that I used to think and feel, and it's such an amazing performance and the scenes with him and Batman and the Crime bosses are just so intensely satisfying.

I am addicted to this movie, I think.

[RP]

this movie made the top of my penis moist.

[ClockShot]

Just got back a little while ago. Best movie I've seen in a long time. Heath Ledger gave the performance of his life, and should get an Oscar nod.

And to any DC Comics top brass who may read this. Congratulations, you broke the one-day opening record. If this break every record in the books, I suggest you give the Nolan Bros. seats on the Board or a good chunk of stock within the company. Because they probably just saved you ass.

And one thing that I kept asking myself after the movie was over, you think Chris and John Nolan could have gone the extra mile and go with an R rating? Or do you think DC told them to mellow it out to bring in all the kiddies. Because I thought this came REALLY close.

[Kalyx triaD]

The 'pencil trick' is probably the most shocking thing I've ever seen in a PG13 movie, but no point going for an R for the sake of it. And I have to say this movie the highest body count of any DC movie to date. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

"Some men just want to watch the world burn" = "He did it for the lulz"

[Indifferent Clox]

so people are saying

Johnny Depp might take over Joker's role in a third Batman and honestly that's about the only person I can see doing it justice. They kind of shot themselves in the foot by killing of Two Face (although they can always bring him back) and not killing Joker (although that might have been to remniscent of the Nicholson Joker.) It's a tragedy on many levels, hopefully if they do bring in someone it is Depp. I can't really see a better person.

The only other way the could go in my opinion is have Joker do some mass suicide off camera or from far away at the beginning of the film

[Kalyx triaD]

Or we can not have Mr. J in the next film. Problem solved.

[Indifferent Clox]

Kalyx, that's a spoiler, people who haven't seen it don't know if he's alive or dead, even the mere assumption that he could be in it means he's not dead

[Kalyx triaD]

There were multiple articles asking if Ledger's death did anything to alter the Joker's fate in the movie. If Joker died, the answer would have answered itself.

And coming in this 'official' thread not expecting a spoiler is asking for one.

These movie threads have phases; the announcement/speculation period, the reaction to news period, the group therapy 'its about to open' period, and finally the post viewing review period.

I always seen it has an unwritten rule with this kind of thread.

[Blue Demon]

I saw a sneak peek on Wednesday and I haven't stopped thinking about it. It is one of my Fave movies ever.

[Destor]

Aaron Eckhart stole the fucking show, crazy good performance. Ledger was also entertaining.

[Blue Demon]

Also:

They may have had a funeral for "Harvey Dent." It may not mean that "Two Face" is dead.

[Kalyx triaD]

I also felt his positioning was rather vague.

[McLegend]

Lol as of me posting this The Dark Knight is number 1 overall on IMdb's top 250 films list.

I'm sure that will change in the next few days, but I don't think I have seen that before.

[Destor]

There were multiple articles asking if Ledger's death did anything to alter the Joker's fate in the movie. If Joker died, the answer would have answered itself.

And coming in this 'official' thread not expecting a spoiler is asking for one.

These movie threads have phases; the announcement/speculation period, the reaction to news period, the group therapy 'its about to open' period, and finally the post viewing review period.

I always seen it has an unwritten rule with this kind of thread.
Nah people come into these after the release to see if people enjoyed it or not. And now that we have the spoiler tag theres really no excuse.

[Destor]

I feel like saying it again:


Aaron Eckhart stole the fucking show, crazy good performance.

[D Mac]

Too busy to see it this weekend. Gonna have to wait. :(

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Still have to wait a few more days for it over here. Can't fucking wait!!

[Requiem]

Seriously Kalyx.. until this movie has been out for a while, you can fuck off with that kind of talk. Some of us haven't been able to see it yet, but I am still pumped by the fact that people are raving about it and I'd still like to keep seeing opinions without getting even the smallest parts spoiled. Use the spoiler button or black that shit out.

[Kalyx triaD]

Smile when you say that, nigga.

[KingofOldSchool]

ZZZZEEEEUUUUUSSSSSS

[Kalyx triaD]

ZZZZEEEEUUUUUSSSSSS

lol

[Fox]

The depth of the film is incredible. I heard people complaining afterwards about there not being any "real" story to the movie, and I couldn't believe my ears. The entire movie and every plotline and development can be traced back to one statement: "Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

That is Batman's entire role in this film. He's not going to die (i.e. take off his mask), and by doing that, he causes Joker to kill and for his best friend to die. He has to become a villain in the end to justify the REAL hero.

Harvey Dent is the real hero, but he's lived long enough to become the villain. Perfect and most obvious tie in.

Rachel Dawes died a hero. Gordon "died" as a hero.

The people on the boats were making the same choice. Either they let themselves die as "heroes" by not killing the people on the other boat, or they live long enough to see themselves become villains, i.e. they kill the people on the other boat. Simple really.

Again, amazing film. There are so many more depths to it but this is the top-most theme throughout and it was incredibly well done. I can't wait to go see it again to see if I can't find more of them.

[MCEazy]

I am simply speechless right now.... For me Ledger's performance is one of the few times i've seen where the fine line between the actor and the role their playing is blurred. Every time Ledger was on screen I didn't see an actor reciting lines, I saw a dark and twisted homicidal maniac with no regard for human life... even his own.

[DrA]

I loved this movie. I've seen it twice, and really I think I liked it more the second time since there were a few scenes that, at least for me, were a little confusing the first time around.

I think King Tut should be the villian in the third one.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fucking great movie. To be honest, I feel the Ledger performance is overrated. Now, I'm an Australian, so I have a national pride in the man for kicking ass, and The Joker did kick-ass (the pencil trick was the first time I heard anyone applaud in a movie cinema), but I think a character like The Joker is a) way too fun to fuck up, and b) has such great writing and ambiance behind it. I don't want to sell Ledger short. Great performance, and a crazy fun villain, but I don't think he deserves an Oscar, especially when I feel that there were actually stronger performances (substance-wise, if not style-wise) in the movie.

Aaron Eckhart was fucking incredible. Harvey Dent was an amazing character. Everything about him was in perfect tone. I loved the emphasis they placed early on Dent being right handed, only to have Two-Face become a lefty. That was great shit. I loved the way he went above and beyond as Gotham's DA. The scene where the cops were applauding him as he was getting into the back of the truck was just so cool, in my opinion.

Aaron Eckhart deserves just as much kudos as Ledger, in my opinion. His scenes in the hospital were great. He gave me a legit scare several times. Horrifying stuff. I also love the dark twist on the Two-Face character.

I personally feel they should bring The Joker character back. Heath Ledger breathed such a good life into the character that it shouldn't just be discarded. Johnny Depp taking over would be fantastic, but one idea I would have to suggest is that Jake Gyllenhall get the role. He's a tremendous young actor, and he's good friends with Heath Ledger. His sister was also in the previous movie. It'd feel more like a tribute to Heath than an insult to have Jake take over the role. He's talented enough to get the best out of it, too.

Depp would make a fantastic Riddler, or something. Isn't he rumoured to be the villain in the next one? I've also read some people who theorize that Bane was the big black guy on the boat, and that Two-Face is still alive. I have several theories about Two-Face:

The first is that he is dead, simply because I can't think of where the character could go. He was awesome and everything, but the transformation was what worked so great about it. By the end of the movie, Two-Face was just flipping a coin and shooting people. Yeah, it was cool when he shot the driver after putting on his seat belt, but he's got no power anymore. Dent dying does seem like a fitting end to the movie.

On the other, the movie was perfectly constructed. The direction was nigh-perfect, and I have to ask why Batman fell from the same height Dent did if not to show that it is possible to fall from that height and survive? Maybe they just felt like having a scene by the edge of the water, or something, but I can't see Nolan including that little detail for no reason other than to prove that it is possible Dent was not killed by the fall.

It'll be interesting to see what does happen, because you have to believe that there will be a third if Nolan wants, considering The Dark Knight has done so well.

The next movie should probably take plot points from The Dark Knight Returns. Instead of being set in the distant future, I can see it just being a few years down the track. Gotham is in a state of chaos, with a new villain running things (Bane?). Harvey Dent survived his fall, but there was a cover-up into his death, but he has accepted surgery and can now be the hero Gotham needs. The Joker is laying dormant at Arkham, and is convincing his young, female psychiatrist that he is cured. I could also see the Selina Kyle character being introduced, and inspired by Batman to become The Catwoman.

[Jeritron]

The movie stays with you and grows in your mind like nothing I've ever experienced. It seems like this must be what Star Wars was like when it came out.
As time goes on after seeing it, it becomes almost like you were in Gotham and experienced the events. I've never experienced a movie before that's more immersing and real, nor one that gets better after you've seen it.
Can't get it out of my head.

The movie was perfect, but the only thing I was a little disrupted by was the 10 or so minutes after the Joker broke out of jail, when he was calling in multiple threats and the whole hospital stuff was going on, as well as Two Face being revealed and going nuts. There was a lot going on and it got a tad confusing. Maybe I'm over analyzing it, or my mind was wandering at how amazing something on screen was, but that short portion was a little messy and hurried. However, I need to see it again to smooth things out. Perhaps the hurriedness and chaos of it is fitting, since that's exactly what the Joker was causing when he got out.

[MCEazy]

Only thing I didn't like about it was the lack of blood which sort of took away a sense of realism a bit but considering it was rated PG I guess they couldn't maybe. Only a small blemish in an otherwise flawless movie anyway

[Reavant]

An amazing movie. I really liked how they didnt hide the locations they used like they did in the first movie. I recognized almost all of the outside shots they used when they were filming in chicago. Real cool stuff. and am I the only one that thinks maggie gyllenhal is hot? and on that note :(

[Boomer]

Maggie has her moments for me, but Katie Holmes is so much more attractive. Unfortunately, however, Holmes' attractiveness does not translate in her acting ability. I've seen her do better in a lot of movies, but Batman Begins was definitely not her shining moment.

Maggie did well. She did her job and did no detract from the rest of the movie overall.

[Reavant]

If Johnny Depp is signed to be a villain in the next one, he needs to play the riddler. He would be perfect for the role. I understand that with the current situation he is probably the ONLY actor that could carry on the performance of this movie or make it better, but I just see him taking the Riddler role to the extreme.

[Kenny]

I saw this movie with my wife yesterday and we both really enjoyed it. I'm not too familiar with the comic books, but I do know that in the series the Joker is a more mysterious figure and often gives conflicting stories regarding his past. That's the exact Joker you get in this movie.

In the first Batman film you knew who the Joker was and how he became the Joker. In this movie you have a mad man, seemingly with no identity, and no other motive other than to create complete and utter chaos.

I thought the mixture of chaos, comedy, surprises, and story development was perfect.

The scenes with the Joker really gave me the impression that this guy was just incredibly demented, and probably never had a conscious to begin with.

[Jeritron]

Question/discussion...
Was Joker in it for the deal of half the mob money at first, and then after seeing how much fun it was, decided he didn't want the money and wanted to take over the city and be a better class of criminal? Or did he use the mob and the money all along to gain leverage enough to take over the city with his chaos? I wonder this, because he's also robbing banks at the beginning. He seems concerned with money and crime in the first half, then suddenly he's above money and is all about pure chaos.

[Indifferent Clox]

Would anyone imagine robin in the next one?

If so I feel he should be like 14 or something.

[Jeritron]

Robin has no place in this interpretation of Batman. Neither do Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface, Croc, Man Bat or any other supernatural characters or elements.

Robin's not supernatural, but he undermines what Batman is. At least what Batman is in this interpretation. A watcher and guardian and a dark, brooding, loner.

Batman doesn't need a sidekick in Robin storywise either because in this we have the wonderful new character of Lucius Fox, and Gordon has become a hero and star in his own right.
In my mind, given what they're going for with this version, there aren't many options left for new characters to bring in.
I think if we even see a third film, we'll see Riddler and possibly Catwoman or the return of Ras Al Guhl.

[Indifferent Clox]

I think Robin is part of the batman mythology. They might bring him in as a reluctant and troubled youth a much darker robin than we've seen. But I dunno. It might not be till the 4th one or something.

Also what of the Penguin?

[Jeritron]

I think Nolan doesn't like Penguin. Personally, I'm not too fond of him either but it's pretty basic that he's the 2nd most well known Batman villain, at least mainstream.

I don't think he has the dynamic or depth to be a whole movie character, at least not in a realistic vision. He'd be okay if he was just a normal human mob boss that was portly and got the street name Penguin. But I'd only like that to be a supporting villain, like Falcone and Maroni were in the first 2.
It'd be interesting to see the plot focus around Riddler as the main villain, with a normal Penguin running the mob in the background.

It's a shame Joker is not available, but I don't think they should attempt to recast at all. If they do, I won't accept it. It's unthinkable. There's no loose ends really, he was caught so it's perfectly acceptable that he's in Arkham off screen. Doesn't mean he has to stay there forever, but for the purposes of this trilogy yes.

I envisioned Batman turning to Joker to help him understand the Riddler or the next villain a la Clarice turning to Hanibal Lecter. That would have been a great way to utilize him. It could possibly be done in one or two scene with some clever tricks.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Bale's already been quoted as saying he doesn't want Robin in the series.

Talia might work but it's probably not going to be in the best interests of the series to reference back to Ra's. It would seem Riddler or Penguin would be the only two to have sufficient weight to follow Joker/Two-Face though. Wouldn't count on Johnny Depp either. I mean look at how many people were convinced someone like Crispin Glover was going to be Joker.

[Reavant]

Question/discussion...
Was Joker in it for the deal of half the mob money at first, and then after seeing how much fun it was, decided he didn't want the money and wanted to take over the city and be a better class of criminal? Or did he use the mob and the money all along to gain leverage enough to take over the city with his chaos? I wonder this, because he's also robbing banks at the beginning. He seems concerned with money and crime in the first half, then suddenly he's above money and is all about pure chaos.

he wnted to use their money to have them turn on eachother.

[Indifferent Clox]

What if they made up a new villian?

[Reavant]

It's a shame Joker is not available, but I don't think they should attempt to recast at all. If they do, I won't accept it. It's unthinkable. There's no loose ends really, he was caught so it's perfectly acceptable that he's in Arkham off screen. Doesn't mean he has to stay there forever, but for the purposes of this trilogy yes.




Talia might work but it's probably not going to be in the best interests of the series to reference back to Ra's. It would seem Riddler or Penguin would be the only two to have sufficient weight to follow Joker/Two-Face though. Wouldn't count on Johnny Depp either. I mean look at how many people were convinced someone like Crispin Glover was going to be Joker.


Well there have been reports of Johnny Depp being on for it. Like I said before he might be one of the only actors to be able to recreate or improve on the joker role if thats possible, but he could make the riddler role crazy and I hope that they dont try and make him do the jokjer, but at the same time I want the joker in the next movie.

[Indifferent Clox]

black mask maybe?

[Indifferent Clox]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25681350/

[Reavant]

they could make mr freeze work if they really wanted to, just tone him down a little bit

[Indifferent Clox]

I don't think they want that batman and Robin stigma

[Reavant]

i mean they made the scare crow work why not freeze or the others

[Reavant]

I don't think they want that batman and Robin stigma

u realize that two face has robin stigma right?

[Jeritron]

he wnted to use their money to have them turn on eachother.

How so?

[thedamndest]

I would like to see Rupert Thorne eventually. I thought about Scarface briefly, but like that article said, I don't know how serious he would be taken. Riddler, Catwoman, and Penguin all seem like good candidates for the next one. I could see Mr. Freeze in there just because he has such a good back story that Nolan may be able to work with, but everyone else like ManBat, Clayface, Killer Croc, I don't think they are right for this series. No Robin, ever.

[Reavant]

he got all the mob bosses out of the way that could stop them. He brought them all down and used their men to help himself. He needed to control the money to start the chaos. Once he controlled the money, he destroyed it.

[Reavant]

i really think that if he toned down the theatrics of mr freeze, he could do it. Hell, ras is supposed to be some immortal and they didnt go with that.

[RoXer]

Catwoman would be horrible.

Riddler isthe only way to go for the next one.

[Indifferent Clox]

u realize that two face has robin stigma right?
That was batman forever not batman and robin.

[Indifferent Clox]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Scoop-Batman-3-Story-Details-8738.html

[Kalyx triaD]

All of that sounds a little... off. We'll see if the rumors are replicated by other sources.

If Robin joins the Bale era, it won't/shouldn't be for a long time. We seen Babara Gordon, she was a young girl. And Nolan went out of his way to keep her from the lime light - helping us keep the thoughts of sidekicks out of our heads. You gotta imagine Babs and Dick around the same age.

[McLegend]

This movie was quite the experience.

[Loose Cannon]

This Thread Says Dark Knight, but apparently we're not suppossed to talk about the movie without spoiling it for some reason, so don't read if you don't want to be spoiled, I Guess?


wow, are you fucking kidding me with this movie??? amazing in every aspect. I don't even know where to begin. One of the best movies I've ever seen...ever. And I'm not just saying that given all the hype and circumstances around it. I loved the action definately, but the storylines and the performances were just phenomenal. And my god, can you get a better Joker then that? He nailed the part 10 fold and blew every other villan in any other superhero movie out of the water. Hell, I'll go as far to say that preformance will go down as one of the greatest villans ever in cinema history. I mean jesus, I watched people in that theatre. He was making them cringe one second and then laugh the next and then making people turn away in disgust a second later. This is the Joker I wanted to see. I loved the scene where he burned all the money up as that wasn't what he was about. He just wanted to see human and world destruction. god, it was fucking brilliant.

I actually thought they were saving Two Face for 3, but fuck, I loved they did it all with this one. Like I know they would turn him here, but didn't think they would go where they did.

They swerved me with the Commisioner Gordon thing. I really thought they offed him. Good shit.

100/100 10/10 A PLUS. whatever you need.

the only thing I kind of wanted (and this is not a complaint what so ever) was I wish they didn't just leave Joker hanging around as his last scene. I wish the movie would of ended with him in whatever way.

[McLegend]

Put some tags or highlight that in black son. People might be a little mad after reading that.

[Reavant]

Its kinda like two face got the venom treatment almost. developed through the movie and not long after becoming what hes destined to become he gets offed.

[thedamndest]

With Rachel being dead now, Catwoman would make sense as there isn't really another leading lady role currently.

[RP]

I couldnt believe they teased a Superman vs Batman movie at the end.

[Requiem]

Saw this earlier. Freaking loved it. Can't really say much more other than that. Had a hard time finding any faults with it.

[El Fangel]

Saw this about an hour ago, I could not believe a movie could ever match the original in the series, but wow. I was blown away.

And thank you Heath, you truly went out on the top.

[Fox]

Question/discussion...
Was Joker in it for the deal of half the mob money at first, and then after seeing how much fun it was, decided he didn't want the money and wanted to take over the city and be a better class of criminal? Or did he use the mob and the money all along to gain leverage enough to take over the city with his chaos? I wonder this, because he's also robbing banks at the beginning. He seems concerned with money and crime in the first half, then suddenly he's above money and is all about pure chaos.


I think it makes sense that he wants the money for reasons like paying his men their dues, purchasing weapons, explosives, vehicles, paying off cops, etc. The money he steals at the very beginning however is the $61 million that Maroni and company talk about in the kitchen meeting scene, and I think Joker steals that to make a point to them that he means business and isn't afraid of them.

I think he asks for half of the money as a show of power. He could care less about the money himself, what's important to him is showing them that he is the one who is in control, and when he says he wants half of the entire pot to himself, they better do it. And they do. But that's all that it means to him: the doing of it. So he burns it.

[PapaGeorgio]

As soon as the credits started to roll everyone was silent. So I turned to my friends and I was like "Eh, I would have rather seen Meet Dave" as a joke. I got so many dirty looks for that statement was pretty funny.

Also I still hope that Two-Face is still around for later treatments. And also if I spoiled anything for you I really don't care. No reason to be in this thread unless you seen it already you pussy.

[Loose Cannon]

woah, didn't realize that was actually Scarecrow in the movie. I thought it was just an imposter or something because he got caught so quick. I'm thinking it took the whole film of the last movie to catch him, so no way that was him

[DrA]

I don't think there's any need to bring back The Joker. They left with a pretty straightforward motif: The Joker will always be around. Evil in Gotham City will always exist. It will always be Batman's duty, even outside of what is being filmed, to keep Gotham City in order, which is what The Joker ends up representing.

Now, for a villian in the third movie, I think they could do a lot with The Riddler in terms of storyline. The only problem I have with him is that he is a little too similar to The Joker. They could still bring back Two Face, but they may have used up all of his charm in this one. I don't know how they could do The Penguin again without it being too similar to Batman Returns. Mr. Freeze could be done in this series maybe. Probably Baine as well.

I personally would either go for The Riddler or the return of Two Face. I think they left the Two Face thing open to interpretation just so they could write him off just in case. Although I don't think we would want them in the same movie and have another Batman Forever now would we?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would anyone imagine robin in the next one?

If so I feel he should be like 14 or something.

Robin is far too risky. It's really campy, and even Nolan would have to really think it through. And apparently Bale has said he would walk if it came to it. Personally, if they do a Robin storyline, they should have him show up in one scene, wanting to help Batman (like the imposters in The Dark Knight), with Batman telling him that he's a fucktard, and then in like the next scene, Joker fucks him up with a crowbar and blows him up in a warehouse, and Bats feels a little guilty.

They don't even need to show the crowbar beat-down, or even The Joker. Just have it explained that he escaped from Arkham and fucked up Robin. Nolan's movies seem like a collection of the grittier and more definitive moments in Batman history.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Catwoman would be horrible.

Riddler isthe only way to go for the next one.

I'm not a big Catwoman fan, but I think it would have its place. If only just to show Halle Berry how its done. Put Zooey Deschanel in a dominatrix cat suit and you'd have me sold.

[Loose Cannon]

I don't think there's any need to bring back The Joker. They left with a pretty straightforward motif: The Joker will always be around. Evil in Gotham City will always exist. It will always be Batman's duty, even outside of what is being filmed, to keep Gotham City in order, which is what The Joker ends up representing.

Now, for a villian in the third movie, I think they could do a lot with The Riddler in terms of storyline. The only problem I have with him is that he is a little too similar to The Joker. They could still bring back Two Face, but they may have used up all of his charm in this one. I don't know how they could do The Penguin again without it being too similar to Batman Returns. Mr. Freeze could be done in this series maybe. Probably Baine as well.

I personally would either go for The Riddler or the return of Two Face. I think they left the Two Face thing open to interpretation just so they could write him off just in case. Although I don't think we would want them in the same movie and have another Batman Forever now would we?

yea, I said last night to legend that Riddler to me would just be a poor man's Joker. I don't know how in the world any villan is ever going to top Joker. Nobody will. I think Baine would be a great choice, but I've read Baine is another villan Nolan doesn't want any part of.

As for Joker in other movies, I liked whomever said that he should just make a quick appereance in jail for maybe a couple lines. Like someone mentioned, Lector. He should in no way shape of form be cast for a huge role again.

I want to see this movie again so bad. I still can't believe how good the entire movie was from beginning to end.

[BigDaddyCool]

It was awesome.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also, there is the fact that in comic books, only Bucky really dies. So two face isn't dead. They just quietly locked him up in Arkham Asylum.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also, yeah Riddler is a crappy version of the Joker. And Mr. Freeze and the Penguin always seemed simular to me as well, both having desires to freeze over Gotham.

[thedamndest]

I think the next person needs to find out Batman's identity and not necessarily go after Gotham, but go after Bruce. I hate it when Gotham (or Angel Grove if you watched the Power Rangers) constantly gets attacked in every single movie because at that point why the hell would you still live in Gotham if every two weeks a new supervillian popped up and wrecked your shit?

[Loose Cannon]

Next Movie Villian confirmed


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"The Egg Boils Again"

2010

[Reavant]

I think the next person needs to find out Batman's identity and not necessarily go after Gotham, but go after Bruce. I hate it when Gotham (or Angel Grove if you watched the Power Rangers) constantly gets attacked in every single movie because at that point why the hell would you still live in Gotham if every two weeks a new supervillian popped up and wrecked your shit?

word

[wwe2222]

You could do Penguin as a minor character. He shouldnt really be a major character in my opinion.

I think you could do Riddler or Mr Freeze...but not as campy as they are sometimes shown to be. You could make either one a serial killer on a crime spree (not like Joker's craziness but enough to frighten the city) and make it more of a detective film I suppose. The problem is, this film seems so epic, what do you possibly follow it up with?

Maybe set it a couple years in the future rather than just a couple months.

[Reavant]

Now that I think of it, Mr Freeze is very do-able. His story could be done much like two faces in that hes a respected doctor helping fidht a disease or poison that was brought by another villain in the movie. While doing so, an accident happened for example being burned by liquid nitrogen or whatever they want to do, and he goes crazy and wants to make everyone pay for it or something.

[wwe2222]

Now that I think of it, Mr Freeze is very do-able. His story could be done much like two faces in that hes a respected doctor helping fidht a disease or poison that was brought by another villain in the movie. While doing so, an accident happened for example being burned by liquid nitrogen or whatever they want to do, and he goes crazy and wants to make everyone pay for it or something.

thats what I was thinking. They could even find all the bodies of his victims frozen and have the Gotham media coin the nickname "Mr. Freeze"...or have him work for Wayne Enterprises or the Government. His research division gets shut down causing something to happen and he goes crazy seeking revenge.

Edit: I like your idea too that it is caused by another villian. Freeze, in the comics lately and on TAS, has had a sympathetic side to him, so I think that is very doable.

[BigDaddyCool]

Mr. Freeze sucks. Catwoman or Posion Ivy.

[BigDaddyCool]

You could do Penguin as a minor character. He shouldnt really be a major character in my opinion.

I think you could do Riddler or Mr Freeze...but not as campy as they are sometimes shown to be. You could make either one a serial killer on a crime spree (not like Joker's craziness but enough to frighten the city) and make it more of a detective film I suppose. The problem is, this film seems so epic, what do you possibly follow it up with?

Maybe set it a couple years in the future rather than just a couple months.

They need a more traditional Penguin, he needs to be a mob boss that survived the Joker killing spree and has an aristocratic manner. But as a more low key character.

[thedamndest]

Rupert Thorne has Victor Fries on the payroll. There is then an accident involving him and his wife. Mr. Freeze is born and goes around killing mobsters and whomever else gets in his way using some kind of freezing method.

Alternately, The Riddler would be a good one for the man who cracks Batman's identity. He wouldn't just tell the public either, because he would want them to figure it out, but that is pretty similar to Batman Forever.

[Indifferent Clox]

I think Catwoman will be part of it, mabye black mask and riddler.

[wwe2222]

They need a more traditional Penguin, he needs to be a mob boss that survived the Joker killing spree and has an aristocratic manner. But as a more low key character.

I guess, its just that the Penguin, while I do like the character, doesnt excite me as the main villian.

Riddler, Freeze, Black Mask...maybe even something similiar to the Mask of the Phantasm animated movie would be more interesting to me.

[McLegend]

One of the things I like most about the movie was the fact that all the Viral Marketing tied into the movie perfectly.

It enhanced the movie experience for me.

[Ninti the Mad]

Riddler is too similar to Joker in terms of mind games.

They need to change it up a bit with someone with power and perhaps even physical strength. I dont care who as long as it is done as tastefully as these two movies have been.

Penguin would be pretty perfect IMO if I had to choose one though. Mob in turmoil. He steps up and offs all the mob heads and unites them. So with the mob and the <font color="black"> cops </font> <font color="yellow"> behind batman, it would make a pretty interesting movie to see how to handle all that heat from two fronts.

[Destor]

They could make Batman the villian or Gordon the hero.

[Destor]

If you follow me.

[Mister Sinister]

woah, didn't realize that was actually Scarecrow in the movie. I thought it was just an imposter or something because he got caught so quick. I'm thinking it took the whole film of the last movie to catch him, so no way that was him

Well, you have to think, when Batman was going after him in the first movie, Batman maybe only had a few experiances under his belt, and at several times was caught off-guard by Dr. Crane, hence Scarecrow defeating him, and taking him out of action for a few days.

He was finally caught, then released a few hours later.

The only thing I had to wonder was, How Crane managed to not be completely insane when we see him in The Dark Knight, granted, I don't know how powerful the medicine he got hit was.

But it was a shocking moment, when he popped on screen in the second one.

[Kalyx triaD]

I actually liked tha idea of recurring villains. Needs to happen in live action more.

[U-Warrior]

Also, there is the fact that in comic books, only Bucky really dies. So two face isn't dead. They just quietly locked him up in Arkham Asylum.

That rule was broken a few years ago, by great writing. There are no rules as long as the story is good.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I actually liked tha idea of recurring villains. Needs to happen in live action more.

Especially in Batman, his villians always come back. They should in the movies as well. No one is every genuinely conclusively defeated with Batman.

[Fox]

If they got a talented enough actor to play the man, I think that The Ventriloquist would make a great movie villain. He could only be the main villain if the actor was good enough at portraying the fact that the dummy and the man are two COMPLETELY different people.

There's an episode of Batman TAS called "Double Talk" where Arnold Wesker (the Ventriloquist) is released from Arkham, completely cured of his split personality syndrome, when voices and memories beckon him back to Scarface the doll. He eventually succums to his darker side and Scarface retakes his old gang, but in the end, Batman gives Wesker the choice, and he blows Scarface to hell with a machine gun.

I think Phillip Seymour Hoffman ("Capote") could play the Ventriloquist perfectly. His physical stature suggests a certain vulnerability, and I have no doubt that the Oscar winner could do something amazing with the schizophrenia character of Wesker.

[Destor]

Hoffman would make a great Penguin

[Shadow]

I have come back from seeing this film.

Where...the hell...did they get the idea to make this? Who, in their right mind, could get off from a day of filming this movie and think, it's just a job? I implore you to find me someone who thought that so I can drop a colony on you.

From the get-go, it grabs you with The Joker(there is no Heath Ledger for me). He masterminds a bank robbery and kills all his compatriots. Why? No reason. For him, money isn't important. It's the "joke" that's important. It's proving that if someone has just one bad day, he can become a "freak". The most gripping point, for me at least, was the ferry boat scene. When I saw the big black guy get focused on in the criminal's boat and the suit get focused on on the civilians boat, I knew it would come down to a personal choice between the two of 'em. After all, if someone could try to kill the one dude who found out Batman's identity, why wouldn't a boatload of people kill one another to ensure their own survival? That's assuming Joker wouldn't have made it so both boats wouldn't explode. And when the big black guy grabed the detonator and threw it out the window....you knew the choice was made right. And Joker seemed dissapointed that nobody, faced with their own death, wouldn't choose their own life over someone elses, even as dispicable as a known criminal. To me, that was the point where Joker lost. That was the point where Joker knew he lost.

Then we get to Bale. Who had the job to play two totally and utterly, different people. Batman and Bruce Wayne. One, a play it by ear, super-rich bastard who's only interest seems to be partying. The other is the Dark Knight himself. A man who knows that there is a point where ordinary people cannot and will not go any further and he must go beyond that point to save everyone. He's not afraid to sacrifice his own well-being for others. That gruff voice he used, even when in tremendous pain, was just magnificant. I, for one, applaud Mr. Bale in his portrayal of the Dark Knight and hope he's attached to the cowl for a long time.

Then we come to the third player in our little game. Mr. Harvy Two-Face Dent. I honestly thought he was going to survive to plauge the Bat-Man(must use the hyphen) in the third movie. Instead...he dies. He dies as a man who broke down in the face of a mad-man. A man who was the White Knight but once he got down and dirty, he couldn't face what he saw in the mirror. He was a man who made his own luck after all and what happened to that luck? It blew up in his face. And that, more then anything the Joker said to him in that one scene, is what brought him down to the point where he went from the Hero to the Villian. Dent wanted to be a hero but what he couldn't fathom is to be a Hero, you have to remain true to yourself, not to others.

I must say, even before Rachel got blown up, I knew all the rules were gone. Why? When Gordon got "killed". At that point, I knew that nobody, not a single solitary character, was safe. Anyone could be next. From Batman all the way down to the extras in the scene, anyone could end up being the next victem of the Joker. Anyone. That, to me is the essence of this movie.

See, this movie wasn't about super-heros or villians or unrequited love or even lies we tell ourselves to keep us sane. It was about chaos and emotions and how even when we think we're safe, we get thrown a curve-ball and are left scratching our heads. The Joker proved, without a shadow of a doubt, a good man could be corrupted to the point of become an agent of chaos. The Bat-Man proved that the people don't need a shining knight, they need someone who will become whatever it is they want him to become while staying true to himself. And Nolan proved that no matter what happens, a movie that is this good will last through the ages and be spoken of throughout the world.

That...in essance, is the Dark Knight.

[Fox]

It's also a hell of a lot of fun, Shadow.

Why so serious? Hmmmm?

[U-Warrior]

I don't know how you can even have a third movie. How the hell do you top ledger or eckhart's performances, let alone the whole movie? What villains are left that can possibly be as compelling as the joker and two-face? It truly seems impossible.

[ron the dial]

i have to agree with u-warrior. as much as i would love to see a third i've had a hard time imagining anything that could come anywhere near this. not to say that it can't be done, but fuck is that going to be a tall order. no villain that has been suggested so far seems like it can compete. maybe maybe riddler and i've been thinking a catwoman inclusion but i'm torn on that. not sure if it's necessary.

i'll just sit back and wait and hope my mind gets blown again.

[thedamndest]

But at the same time, since when do they stop at two now?

[Blitz]

Yeah, I'm really blanking on the villain(s) for the next film. I guess Riddler's the front runner, maybe Black Mask or the Ventriloquist, but are they really well known enough to be the leads? Penguin, Freeze, Ivy, Bane, I'd love to see any of them, but they don't seem to really fit in the more realistic world they've built here.

[ron the dial]

But at the same time, since when do they stop at two now?
buck the trend

but i understand it's a cashcow

[El Fangel]

I heard teh most retarded comment by this ditzy girl leaving the theate.

Girl 1: Hey, I totally figured out something, you know when that cop guy died right, and they somehow brought him back to life, well they are going to do the same thing with the Harry guy, and maybe even the joker too.

Girl 2: Nah, I dont think they will bring the Joker back, he is too scary.

Girl 3: Who played him anyways?

I seriously wanted to kick each of them in the cunt.

[ron the dial]

do you make this stuff up

[McLegend]

Are you sure they weren't hermaphrodites?

[El Fangel]

WeX do you think I have the intelligence to make this up?

I am dead serious, they were sitting behind us the whole movie with blank "whats going on" expressions.

[U-Warrior]

I think the riddler would be a lot cooler on film in the role he's taken in the books recently. As a detective working with the police, and competing with batman. Obviously he would turn out a villain in the end, to stay true to his criminal roots, but I think it would be fun on-screen. Throw in another villain, and you have yourself what could be another great movie.

But again, it wouldn't top DK.

[ron the dial]

intelligence? that conversation would have required intelligence to create? wow.

[El Fangel]

It would require intelligence to make up something that sounded that retarded, but enough of the offtrack discussion, and back to The Dark Knight.

Also, who called this being a 10/10 months ago? and who was called an idiot because of that? :shifty:

[McLegend]

Yeah I am in argeement that this movie can't be topped. I don't think it can be done.

[El Fangel]

I think this will go down in the small group of movies series, where the sequel to the first was as good if not better then the original which was a classic.

I.E - The Godfather

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hoffman would make a great Penguin

I read a rumour suggesting that he actually play Penguin. I would be up for that, but not as the major villain. Sort of like a mob boss, just one that is more recogniseable than the Italian Batman breaks the legs of.

Johnny Depp would make The Riddler compelling. Sure, there are similarities between him and The Joker, but they could play that up. Riddler sort of uses The Joker as inspiration to get started. If they make him someone that is sympathetic and flawed, it would be a much better story for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't know how you can even have a third movie. How the hell do you top ledger or eckhart's performances, let alone the whole movie? What villains are left that can possibly be as compelling as the joker and two-face? It truly seems impossible.

That's exactly why it would be logical to keep the characters in the story. I'm fairly certain that if you had asked Heath Ledger, he'd want the character to keep going if he couldn't. He's the core antagonist of Batman. You don't need to have him in every scene again, but I would definitely like to see some other actor get the chance to take up the role and re-instate Joker as a major villain for a potential fourth film.

They could take the Two-Face storyline from The Dark Knights Returns comic book, too, which you know, just sounds like a direct sequel to a movie called The Dark Knight, so it's doubly fitting. Harvey Dent convinces people that he is sane again, and Gotham is in anarchy, so they turn back to The White Knight of Gotham. Dent finally accepts skin-graphs, and re-enters society, despite Bruce Wayne being mighty suspicious of him.

[El Fangel]

Ok, here is my idea for the next movie, take it as you will, discuss, flame whatever.

The Joker - SHOULD be back, it wont be the same without Heath, but Joker needs to be in the next one, he needs to bring the chaos, the x-factor, being the middleman, just there to cause havoc and not on anyones side.

Penguin - Should be revealed about 3/4th the way through the movie to be the leader of the crime family (cant recall name right now, think its Rascatori or something)

Gordin - struggles with the new position, and the threats he receives daily from the criminals, contemplates giving it up.

Dent - BIG SPOILER DO NOT OPEN UNLESS YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE This is a whatif, Dent didnt actually die, he was knocked into a coma from the fall or something, and was pronounced dead, at the morgue or something, he snaps awake, and only remembers everything after he was burnt. JUST AN IDEA!

Batman - The whole city is after him, he has been blamed for the killings, there is not hero, no beacon of hope for the city to look upon, he wonders if he the dark knight, the opposite of the former Dent, with the same goals could be the citys hero, but still have the city hate him.

[Destor]

spoiler tag folks

[El Fangel]

Apologies.

[Shadow]

I heard teh most retarded comment by this ditzy girl leaving the theate.

Girl 1: Hey, I totally figured out something, you know when that cop guy died right, and they somehow brought him back to life, well they are going to do the same thing with the Harry guy, and maybe even the joker too.

Girl 2: Nah, I dont think they will bring the Joker back, he is too scary.

Girl 3: Who played him anyways?

I seriously wanted to kick each of them in the cunt.

That...is something I took away from the movie. That wasn't Heath Ledger as the Joker...that was the Joker, plain and simple. But those two bitches...are stupid.

Oh and Fox...it was a fun ride.

[El Fangel]

I think I can describe this as well as saying, it was hard to believe they were actors at some points.

[DrA]

I don't know how you can even have a third movie. How the hell do you top ledger or eckhart's performances, let alone the whole movie? What villains are left that can possibly be as compelling as the joker and two-face? It truly seems impossible.

I don't think they can end series in the way that they did though. Yeah, it would be really hard to top the Dark Knight, but I think they could make a third one that would be at the level of at least Batman Begins.

[Kalyx triaD]

I think Selina Kyle would be a great addition to the Bale Era. Bruce needs a new love interest, movie series needs a new villain; that's two birds with one stone.

And call me crazy, but imagine one of the bat-posers actually being damn good. Good enough to give Bruce a run for his money.

I also nominate Jean Paul Valley (Nightfall Batman) for the next Bale Era villain. Hell, we could call the movie Knightfall. I'd do it like this:

Now that Batman is a "Killer", this inspires Valley to get extreme himself. But when he learns Batman really isn't as hardcore as he heard (maybe he sees Bruce letting a certain Catwoman slide?), he appoints himself as the Batman the city requires.

That would work for me.

[Lux]

I heard teh most retarded comment by this ditzy girl leaving the theate.

Girl 1: Hey, I totally figured out something, you know when that cop guy died right, and they somehow brought him back to life, well they are going to do the same thing with the Harry guy, and maybe even the joker too.

Girl 2: Nah, I dont think they will bring the Joker back, he is too scary.

Girl 3: Who played him anyways?

I seriously wanted to kick each of them in the cunt.

Did you perhaps find out where they live so i can murder them?

[RoXer]

Hey comic book nerds, who was that black bald convict on the boat? Was he significant at all? Because it looked like he had distinctive tatoos/markings on his face/arm so that comic book nerds (LIKE YOU GUYS) could tell who he is.

I thought it might have been Clayface but I know like 2% of everything about Batman.

[RoXer]

I think in that new Batman cartoon on WB Clayface is black and bald and is a convict and was Bruce's best friend which is why it crossed my mind.

[Reavant]

I heard teh most retarded comment by this ditzy girl leaving the theate.

Girl 1: Hey, I totally figured out something, you know when that cop guy died right, and they somehow brought him back to life, well they are going to do the same thing with the Harry guy, and maybe even the joker too.

Girl 2: Nah, I dont think they will bring the Joker back, he is too scary.

Girl 3: Who played him anyways?

I seriously wanted to kick each of them in the cunt.

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[U-Warrior]

Hey comic book nerds, who was that black bald convict on the boat? Was he significant at all? Because it looked like he had distinctive tatoos/markings on his face/arm so that comic book nerds (LIKE YOU GUYS) could tell who he is.

I thought it might have been Clayface but I know like 2% of everything about Batman.

It was Zeus. Duh.

[Gonzo]

When I think about the comments in this thread regarding Heath Ledger's performance of The Joker, I can honestly agree with most of them. As I was watching you just become engulfed in the performance and don't even think that its Ledger. This role is so far from anything he ever did, and he nailed it. It really was an unbelievable performance.

[loopydate]

Watched it again tonight, and actually enjoyed it MORE on second viewing. The first time through, I was just entranced by the movie and couldn't tear my eyes off it. This time around, i was watching the details. Now that i know how it comes together in the end, seeing EVERY SINGLE PIECE fall neatly into place is a revelation.

Chris Nolan didn't miss a single detail in this movie. It's perfect. Absolutely perfect.

[El Fangel]

I dont see why you would call bullshit on the story, as I dont have anything to gain from it, besides perhaps garnering a chuckle or a WTF.

I wanted to go see this again, but I dont want to spend the 25 dollars on it.

[Requiem]

$25? Jesus.. I payed $6.50 for my movie ticket.

[U-Warrior]

He prolly saw it at imax.

[El Fangel]

Nah, The movie is $9.99, because I work late, I would catch the last showing, and need a $10-12 dollar cab home, and then there is a drink while at the movies.

[Requiem]

Or you could not get anything there because it is mad overpriced.

[El Fangel]

Yeah I know, I likely would bring something in.

[mitchables]

I think in that new Batman cartoon on WB Clayface is black and bald and is a convict and was Bruce's best friend which is why it crossed my mind.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d6/Ethan_Bennett_TB.jpg/250px-Ethan_Bennett_TB.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ethan_Bennett_TB.jpg)
This guy?

That's Ethan Bennett.

He was a police officer, but you were right about the being Bruce's friend and also being "of colour", as it were.

[Requiem]

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[El Fangel]

Ok... What... did... I... Just... watch?

[Requiem]

Pure concentrated amazing.

[Blitz]

Gonna go see it again tonight. For the 3rd time.

[Reavant]

I dont see why you would call bullshit on the story, as I dont have anything to gain from it, besides perhaps garnering a chuckle or a WTF.

I wanted to go see this again, but I dont want to spend the 25 dollars on it.

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[Fox]

I dont see why you would call bullshit on the story, as I dont have anything to gain from it, besides perhaps garnering a chuckle or a WTF.

I wanted to go see this again, but I dont want to spend the 25 dollars on it.


Personally, I became unconvinced when you said they "had these WTF looks on their faces the entire time" when they were sitting behind you.

What, did you turn around in your seat and look at them and see what kind of expressions they had? If so then you're the asshole and I would have rightly kicked you in the chin had I been one of those annoying girls.

[Fox]

WeX do you think I have the intelligence to make this up?

I am dead serious, they were sitting behind us the whole movie with blank "whats going on" expressions.

This post. I mean really? And they were also the same girls directly behind you on your way out of the movie in what had to have been a packed theater? That's some interesting timing. Life is so crazy sometimes.

:rofl::rofl:

[Destor]

lol

[U-Warrior]

Jesus christ fox, let it go.

[Fox]

It's called "calling someones bullshit." And it's fun.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I can not get over how awesome this movie was. That's all I'm going to say about it.

[Xero]

The movie actually exceeded my expectations. Wow.

The "Why So Serious" scene actually disturbed me, one of the very few times I was disturbed by a scene in a movie. Don't think it needs to be said, but Ledger played everything perfectly. :y:

[Champion of Europa]

Seeing it for my fifth time tonight. Not having to pay for movies rules.

[Jeritron]

Quick question

To hell with spoiler tags by the way, we're almost a week in, if anyone cares enough to get upset about being spoiled has seen it by now, if not tough shit, they should click the thread.

Anyways,
So the mob realizes the Joker was right and they hire him to destroy Batman. Why then did they give him his half of the money for delivering them Lao from jail, but without killing Batman?
Any insight?

[Destor]

I thought they hired him to get their money back?

[U-Warrior]

It's called "calling someones bullshit." And it's fun.


I have met plenty of girls that stupid. It's not like he's claiming he took the biggest poop in the world or anything.

[The Mask]

holy fuck. absolutely incredible movie. like beyond words. plus i got my 3d holographic poster on, which is basically all these combined into one poster of unbridled amazingness: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4215/tdkintpostertripmedtj2.jpg

anyway, i think the best scene was the pencil seen. fucks sake. when he stuck the pencil in the table you knew it was coming but it happened so fast everyone cracked up laughing half disgusted and half holy shit.

I don't think anyone should try to carry on the joker cause it's not gonna be topped and it's only going to be a point to bring future films down. amazing.

[Jeritron]

I thought they hired him to get their money back?

I thought they hired him to take care of Batman. That's what he was doing up until he gave up/embraced Batman and went with the plan of being caught in order to retrieve Lao. Before then Maroni even says, you can solve all this by turning yourself over to the Joker. It's also preceded by the other top mobster saying "he was right, we need to hire him to kill batman."

I think perhaps they hired him to do both. Kill Batman and/or get their money back. Whatever it took to get their money back, which he originally thought was simply to kill The Batman. Then he took another route.
Maybe bringing Lao to them was even better.

Theres two or three ways to look at the situation and they all make sense. The only reason theres speculation is because there is no scene in which the conditions of the mobs deal with the Joker is explained. Nor is there a scene preceding him burning all the money during his meeting with the mob.

I guess the viewer can take their pick between one of the two possiblities.

What does everyone think?

[Fox]

A section of their money goes missing at the start of the film (Joker stole it).

Lao moves the rest of their money to an "unknown location" for safety reasons, and plans to go back to China so that he cannot be interrogated. Joker arrives and says that Batman will bring Lao back and their money will be in jeopardy, and they don't listen to him.

Batman brings Lao back, but he refuses to tell the Police where the money is located.

The mob hires Joker to kill the Batman, probaby not expecting to see their money again, but realizing that if they ever plan to MAKE more money, they need him out of the picture for good.

Joker manages to retrieve Lao from the jail and get the money back from him (using his tantalizing powers of suggestion, no doubt), and the mob doesn't have a chance to be "happy" with him getting the money back, as he kills the Italian and Two-Face kills Maroni.

I assume that the mob's half of the money is still with the surviving members of the mob, as Joker does say "It's only my half," when he burns the pile of money with Lao on top.

[RoXer]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d6/Ethan_Bennett_TB.jpg/250px-Ethan_Bennett_TB.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ethan_Bennett_TB.jpg)
This guy?

That's Ethan Bennett.

He was a police officer, but you were right about the being Bruce's friend and also being "of colour", as it were.



YES!

There was also a scene where he was in prison talking to Batman or maybe he was quarantined or something which is why I confused him for a convict.

Well done Mitch.

Now to figure who is Atlas...

[Jeritron]

I understand that, but it kinda still eluded my question. How's it "his half" if they never paid him for the job, because he never did it?

Also, the mob does get a chance to be happy because the meeting with the pile of money was pre-arranged. Maroni doesn't go because he tips Gordon off about it, but the Chechen does and thats where he gets killed. Maroni was obviously supposed to be there for the "exchange" or whatever, which is why Joker asks where the italian is.

So what basically happens is, Joker gets all the money from Lao like you said but doesnt specifically complete what they hired him for, but when the Chechen gets there they talk about how Joker lived up to his word. Which makes it quite simple.

A) It was a different outcome, but they were equally happy with The Joker for setting the situation right, and were gonna give him his half.
or
B) The capture of Lao was also a condition of their agreement and they were giving him his half.

or C) The Joker hooked them up bigtime and considered half of the money his to burn.

I'd lean towards it being either B or C

It's really the only peice of the puzzle that is a bit confusing and doesnt' have a concrete answer. It only doesn't have an answer because it's never adressed on screen and several things that transpire indicate different possibilities in that portion of the plot.

It's not a flaw though, because either scenario makes sense. However, theres no way of telling what the deal is

[Jeritron]

Plus he burnt that whole pile, and said he was only burning his half. That means there was another half of the money Lao hid somewhere else. Perhaps he burnt that secret with Lao to fuck them over.

Or perhaps the pile was ALL the money and in his mind he only burnt his half, but it caught onto their half as well.

But the questions still remains, why was it HIS HALF? And why did the Chechen confirm that half the money was his for the taking?

See what I'm saying?

[Destor]

Or perhaps the pile was ALL the money and in his mind he only burnt his half, but it caught onto their half as well.
this was my assumption

[Jeritron]

Thats what I'm saying. It's all assumption. Theres no wrong or right answer yet to be discovered by me or anyone I asked based on the information given that confirms or denies any of the possibilites above.

I just wish I could have a concrete answer so it doesn't bug me everytime I watch

[Jeritron]

this was my assumption

Certainly does seem like the type of thing he'd do.
But then again, so does burning his half along with the person who knows the whereabouts of another half.

[Requiem]

I am pretty sure there was 2 stacks of money that I saw. Might be mistaken, but that's what I thought I saw. Looked like he only set one stack on fire.

[mitchables]

Plus he burnt that whole pile, and said he was only burning his half. That means there was another half of the money Lao hid somewhere else. Perhaps he burnt that secret with Lao to fuck them over.

Or perhaps the pile was ALL the money and in his mind he only burnt his half, but it caught onto their half as well.

But the questions still remains, why was it HIS HALF? And why did the Chechen confirm that half the money was his for the taking?

See what I'm saying?

Gamble was dead. Maroni was dead. So there were two of the staunchest opponents to the Joker taken out of the picture. The Italian or Chechen (is that even a nationality? that can't be spelt right) or whatever wanted to hire the Joker in the first place. So he would not object to giving him money, having Lao returned. Joker kills him anyway, so it was probably the whole pile of money, which in Joker's mind could've been "his half" (ie all the money is his, since he retrieved Lao and probably got access to where he was keeping it).

[mitchables]

Well what do you know, that is how you spell it. I was under the assumption it was Chechnyan.

[Jeritron]

Gamble was dead. Maroni was dead. So there were two of the staunchest opponents to the Joker taken out of the picture. The Italian or Chechen (is that even a nationality? that can't be spelt right) or whatever wanted to hire the Joker in the first place. So he would not object to giving him money, having Lao returned. Joker kills him anyway, so it was probably the whole pile of money, which in Joker's mind could've been "his half" (ie all the money is his, since he retrieved Lao and probably got access to where he was keeping it).


Maroni wasn't dead yet at the time of the money burning. He ducked out because he tipped Gordon off about it. Gordon never made it to the ship the money was on because he got sidetracked by the hospital threat.
Which now that you point out, raises the question...why did Maroni tip Gordon off about the whereabouts of the Joker if his half of the money was there and would be in jeopardy?

But other than that great points

[Indifferent Clox]

Maroni may not be dead yet..

[mitchables]

Maroni wasn't dead yet at the time of the money burning. He ducked out because he tipped Gordon off about it. Gordon never made it to the ship the money was on because he got sidetracked by the hospital threat.
Which now that you point out, raises the question...why did Maroni tip Gordon off about the whereabouts of the Joker if his half of the money was there and would be in jeopardy?

But other than that great points

Oh, right. I must've remembered it in screwed up order, my bad.

But still. :(

[Reavant]

It's called "calling someones bullshit." And it's fun.

this is how u call bull shit:



http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9151/bsflaglc2.gif

[thedamndest]

I was also of the mind that the Joker was burning his half, but the money was all in one pile.

[SammyG]

Wow, just got back from it. Fucking ridiculously amazing. Can not wait for the next one.

[Gone Mad]

Saw it at IMAX last Weds and saw it again today at the regular theatre. Had to point out how much more AMAZING it is with IMAX. Wow, that was an experience. See it if you have one near you as it's worth it.

Not to mention since it was an advance screening, we got free Batman beer and tickets out of it.

Still, an incredible film and one that my friend, a hater of all things Bats, is also praising. Seeing it again on Friday.

[Mike Honcho]

Finally got to see this yesterday ... Heath was simply AMAZING. he definately made this movie for me. Gonna see it again today!

[Jeritron]

Am I the only one who thinks this movie was so incredibly good that I don't know if I want another sequel?

I mean, I want another movie hlaf as good as that but it's destined to dissapoint. Whatever villian they have left to use is subpar. Joker CANNOT be re-cast.
Storywise, I feel like they were going in a direction that lent itself to a bigger storyarch involving the Joker, but without Heath Ledger I don't want to see it.

I also don't buy into the "Two Face is still alive" garbage. Fanboys and people plugged into the comic book way of thinking are inclined to say so anytime a character dies in a movie, but I highly doubt it's the case in the minds of the filmmakers. I think this series is above that shit. His origin and initial fall from grace is the most interesting and deepest part of the character, and everything after that is one dimensional. They did it perfectly and I don't expect him back or want to see him back.

MAYBE they can come up with a good take on Riddler. I just see another movie destined to be a step backwards.

[thedamndest]

I agree with Jeritron's post. Joker shouldn't be recast, recastings always disappoint and there is no need to with this one as Joker's story was already told in this movie. Making additional Joker movie's would just set up that disappointment.

I agree that "Two-Face" is dead too. If this were the comic world, he would totally be alive and lurking, but seeing as it is a movie, he is dead. His death served as the catalyst to make Batman a true paraiah in Gotham. Also, this Two-Face character wasn't really so much a guy who became a supervillian as a man who snapped and went out on a crazy bender. Comic book Two-Face is a criminal, movie Two-Face is, as Jeritron said, more of a man who fell from grace. It didn't seem like they were intending the character to have longevity of a recurring villian. I saw questions posed about why Batman fell and survived, couldn't Two-Face? Besides the Batsuit, you could account for the fact that it IS chance, and Batman got the good heads, and Harvey the bad heads.

That said, I think they will probably do a third. With the records this thing set I don't think anybody is going to let them just up and walk away from it. It is going to be hard to impossible to top. That's why I think they need something fresh, besides villian attacks Gotham again, but not ridiculous like villian kidnaps Alfred.

[Destor]

You really could just play the world vs Batman for the next one. DO it with out a traditional villian.

[thedamndest]

I like that idea in principle, but then it seems like you just have Batman busting up street crime for two hours while avoiding hurting Gothamites with pitch-forks and torches. Would be a good time for the Penguin to become mayor of Gotham, oh wait...

[Volchok]

http://www.buycostumes.com/Batman-Dark-Knight-The-Joker-Grand-Heritage-Collection/33019/ProductDetail.aspx


siiiiiiiiiick i'm so buying this.



Ps they have one of those of batman too.

[Lux]

Aslong as your not dressing up as batman, i'd kill you

[Volchok]

I can see someone buying that Batman costume and then try to fight some crime.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Nice to see Zeuz of past wwf fame get a little role in the movie, near the end of the film.

[XL]

Just been to see it. One word...AWESOME.

However, a coupl eof the guys I went with didn't like it. One of them I was expecting it from (he hated Iron Man) the other, though, I was expecting him to really enjoy it.

They thought it was "too lomg" and "boring".

I half expected to come on here and find at least one person that didn't think it was at least a 8/10.

Also, do you think it's worth watching for a second time on IMAX?

[Reavant]

YES

[The Mask]

its worth watching about 5 times anyway, so duh.

[Fox]

Your friends suck. If they don't like TDK, what do they like? Speed Racer?

[Blitz]

Speed Racer was good.

[El Fangel]

I want to go see this again.

[XL]

Your friends suck. If they don't like TDK, what do they like? Speed Racer?
I asked one of them what their favourite film was. He couldn't answer. I asked what films they liked. He didn't answer. I asked what films he had purchased on DVD. No answer.

I gave the film an 8/10 after seeing it but presumed that would go up over time as it would have been hard to meet expectations this early on.

HOWEVER, I think it deserves notching up to a 9 at least for the following reasons...

1) For the FIRST time ever I'm considering watching a film at the cinema for a second time.

2) I'm already anticipating the DVD release.

3) I'm considering purchasing the (bound to be awful) game that is due to tie in to the DVD release (if rumours are true).

4) I would have watched 'Batman Forever' last night if not for the fact that the tape is in the loft / attic. (As it happens I got a fix of the Nolan / Bale / Caine trio by rewatching 'The Prestige' (Although I hadn't realised it was Nolan directed on first viewing)).

[Requiem]

You stated all those reasons, but yet only would bump it to a 9? What movies do you consider a perfect 10, if you've never wanted to see one in the theater again until now.

[El Fangel]

Seriously a 9?

Wow.

How about you give an example of a 10?

[XL]

Don't worry Requiem, it'll end up being a 10/10 by the time the weekend's out!

[Destor]

How much of this huge box office do you all think is because of Heath Ledger's untimely demise?

[Destor]

I imagine a lot of people are going to see this out of morbid curiosity.

[Requiem]

I don't doubt people will see it for just that reason. But I don't think people are raving about it like they are, -only- because of that reason. Heath put on an excellent last performance of his career. A perfect end, you could say. But the movie on the whole was amazing. Eckhart was amazing, the plot was perfect for what it was, and the movie was in my opinion perfectly balanced between character drama and action.

[Destor]

Ledger's performance is hailed the way it is due the "Cobain syndrome." It is truly outstanding, but it will be held to a mythic level because of the tragedy. He deserves huge props though. But Hopefully everyone can see it's getting ALL the attention when others deserve it JUST as much. But I'm not trying to sell him short as it was one for the ages, but others (Eckhart) were JUST as good.

His death isn't the ONLY reason it's being raved on, but you have to admit it's a factor.

[El Fangel]

Just remembered I wanted to post this, it happened two days ago and I forgot about it completely.

A friend at work asked me why I asked her if she had seen The Dark Knight, and why everyone is going apeshit over it.

A co-worker comes up and goes "Jen, why so serious?"

I lawl and say "Because its fucking amazing"

a customer does the clappingn thing the Joker does.

Epic moment :)

[XL]

Couple things I forget to mention.

I marked out for the following...

Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow. I was expecting them to keep the mask on him.

Nestor Carbonell (Richard Alpert from Lost) as the Mayor of Gotham.


Also, on the subject of Joker being in the next film. I like the idea of having him go Hannibal Lecter style. Have him filmed from behind. Have Depp take the role as The Riddler and have him do Joker too. I think it'd have a good duality.

I want Depp as Joker based solely on the fact that his is a coulrophobic...scared of clowns!

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Phenomenal. Thought I pretty much knew what was going to happen and when and I got totally suckered. Bravo, Chris Nolan.

A word for the hospital scene as well, please. Fucking outstanding, can't wait to see that on IMAX.

[ron the dial]

hospital scene is still my favorite scene

[Fox]

I gotta go with the Gamble "why so serious" scene in the pool hall.

Absolutely chilling.

[Jeritron]

I don't know what my favorite scene is. Hospital is up there, but every scene is amazing and every scene has a purpose. At 2 1/2 hours not a minute is wasted, needless, or boring. It's all meaningful.

The bank robbery to kick it off is one of the top scenes too. Even though it's only one scene, it's probably the best heist I've ever seen in a movie, and I've seen my share of heist flicks and westerns.

[Jeritron]

Jokers jail escape splice with Batman racing to Rachel and Gordon to Dent, only to have the switcharoo was an incredibly intense sequence, and full of twists and turns and awesomeness.

But now that I think of it, the climax of the film with Two Face, Batman and Gordon is probably the most powerful scene. Still can't decide what's the "best" though. Great acting in there too.

[ron the dial]

i wouldn't try to pick a best. there are so many. i'm just going with my personal favorite. joker in the nurses outfit talking to dent about chaos. "mmm now we're talking."

[McLegend]

I think mine is the intergation scene.

"You complete me."

"I'm not a monster I'm just a head of the curve."

[Loose Cannon]

my favorite is when he walks out of the elevator during that party and is like "Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen....we're tonights entertainment" fuck yea you are Joker.

[Loose Cannon]

lol @ the trays falling over and Joker looking around like "wtf, come on people" haha I love him

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[Champion of Europa]

Seeing it for time number 6 in IMAX Saturday night.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Ledger's performance is hailed the way it is due the "Cobain syndrome." It is truly outstanding, but it will be held to a mythic level because of the tragedy. He deserves huge props though. But Hopefully everyone can see it's getting ALL the attention when others deserve it JUST as much. But I'm not trying to sell him short as it was one for the ages, but others (Eckhart) were JUST as good.

His death isn't the ONLY reason it's being raved on, but you have to admit it's a factor.


He actually reminds me of Cobain while in the nurse's frock and walking rather awkwardly from out of the hospital.

[U-Warrior]

Ledger's performance is hailed the way it is due the "Cobain syndrome." It is truly outstanding, but it will be held to a mythic level because of the tragedy. He deserves huge props though. But Hopefully everyone can see it's getting ALL the attention when others deserve it JUST as much. But I'm not trying to sell him short as it was one for the ages, but others (Eckhart) were JUST as good.

His death isn't the ONLY reason it's being raved on, but you have to admit it's a factor.

I have to disagree. I can confidently say that his death has no effect on my opinion at all.

I fully believe we'd be seeing the same comments here, even if he would have lived. And I've seen almost as much praise to the rest of the cast as Ledger. So I don't know where you are seeing all this indifference to the other cast members.

[Requiem]

Either the Why So Serious? scene, or the one when he walks into the party and has the conversation with Rachel. Both of those scenes gave me the chills just listening to his voice.

Also, the hospital room scene, when Dent yells at Gordon. Chilling.

[XL]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!

Remember the friend I mentioned that didn't like TDK but wouldn't / couldn't give much reason and wouldn't tell me what his favourite film is?

His current facebook status reads as follows..."Dave thought that batman was shallow and pedantic".

I dunno if he's doing it just to get a rise out of me or whether he just didn't understand the film!?

[LK]

Well I went to see this movie today. Like most of you, I'm sure, I have been waiting for this movie for a long time. Mainly due to three things 1) It's the follow up to Batman Begins, which I love 2) A Batman movie with the Joker and Two Face and 3) The build up this movie has recieved due to Heath Ledger.

I have got to say this movie is nothing short of superb. Everything from Bale, Leckhart and Ledger to the smaller roles of (can't think of their real names) Gordon and Rachel, as well as Caine and Freeman fits so well.

When I heard about this Oscar stuff with Ledger the cynical side of me thought "whatever, dead guy, sympathy vote, etc" but frankly if his performance isn't recognised, it would be a travesty.

Favourite scenes include when the Joker introduces himself to the mob and he's like "let me show you a magic trick", the "why so serious?" scene, the whole sequence in the interrogation part and the scene with Two Face in the gangsters car.

I will dare say that's the finest movie that's been released in a long time. Excellent - don't know how they could possibly follow it.

[U-Warrior]

One thing that bothers me....



.....How the hell did Harvey get that 2 sided suit made so fast?

[Xero]

I had thought about that then just assumed it was the suit he had on when he was burned.

[loopydate]

Me too. It even looked a little singed.

[Fox]

Definitely the suit he got burned in. It was probably sitting around somewhere in the hospital and Joker brought it to him; just another element to remind him what happened and make him more evil.

I also have to give props to the chase sequence with the debut of the Bat Pod and the truck flip. Amazing scenes. Can't wait to see them in IMAX tomorrow morning.

[mitchables]

I was really happy with the way they introduced the Batpod. I like the idea that it was Batman's backup plan in case the car got totalled - it wasn't just some gimmicky "look! Batman has a new toy... because... he's Batman..." type thing.

[Blitz]

One thing that bothers me....



.....How the hell did Harvey get that 2 sided suit made so fast?
Dunno, are you joking here or what?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Batpod was fantastic. Didn't see that coming at all.

Thinking about it my favourite bit might be when he blacks out the building in Hong Kong. Just pure classic 'old school' Batman tactics.

[Dave Youell]

Quite simply,

That was a masterpiece.

Here's a Pencil, now you see it................