The Dark Knight [Archive]

Kalyx triaD

05-31-2006, 02:52 PM

I want Crispin Glover; but who cares what I want...

Superman Returns/2006, Wonder Woman/2007, Batman 2/2008, Superman 4(?)/2009... Justice League/2014..?

DC wants their icons released a fair amount of time around each other. They think it's a better idea to released focused movies than Marvel's sloppy set-up. Marvel released alot of stuff in the last 6 years, but only a few were actually good. I like DC's plan but it's a bummer to wait so long for certain properties. How about two movies a year?

Kane Knight

05-31-2006, 03:55 PM

The time of the releases has little to do with the quality. If they released the Hulk Ten years from a movie either past or future, it would still have sucked as much ass.

Blitz

05-31-2006, 04:23 PM

Yeah, Crispin Glover would prolly be best for Joker.

YOUR Hero

05-31-2006, 06:34 PM

I thought I heard the name Mark Hamil bounced around about playing the role of the Joker.

Blitz

05-31-2006, 06:42 PM

Well, he voiced him in the cartoon.

I could see it...

Kalyx triaD

05-31-2006, 07:22 PM

Mark has played both cartoon and live-action variations of the the Flash badguy, Trickster. It'd be an interesting job although I don't think Hamil's take on Mr. J would work in live action.

When I think of Glover doing Joker, I also think of Batman's new tone in films. Crispin would fit right in to the quasi-realistic world of Batman. Assuming they base it off "The Killing Joke", which they better.

Pinnacle Charisma

05-31-2006, 08:48 PM

Given there is going to be so much more dc movies I can see marvel releasing more x-men movies to combat it

Kalyx triaD

05-31-2006, 08:58 PM

I rather they dig in their deep pool of characters and combat quality with quantity. DC will have the movies but Marvel still has better licensing tactics (better games, TV projects, advertising). In this light, DC is Nintendo to Marvel's Sony. Quality vs. Quantity, and results already appear similar.

McLegend

05-31-2006, 08:59 PM

Mark Hamil was just a rumor and actully he isn't even among consideration. Would love to see him in it though.

Kane Knight

05-31-2006, 09:28 PM

ClockShot

05-31-2006, 09:42 PM

Jack Nickelson was awesome as The Joker. So was Cesar Romero. They gotta go really deep and find somebody else before they remake movies with the same villians. Didn't the television series with Adam West have guys like Egg Man and King Tut. Or go a different direction with The Animated Series and do Red Claw or Kiyodai?

Kalyx triaD

05-31-2006, 10:05 PM

Kane Knight

05-31-2006, 10:10 PM

As retarded as he normally is, Kalyx's right. They're gonna do all his greatest hits. You need people like Two Face, the Joker, etc.

It's all about the big names on the big screen.

Kalyx triaD

05-31-2006, 10:15 PM

Yeah. Besides I...

Hey fuck you, man!

Kane Knight

05-31-2006, 10:45 PM

Sorry, but the blatant Nintendo fanboyism shit was pretty retarded.

Kalyx triaD

05-31-2006, 11:53 PM

I'm not a fanboy. Wii all know that...

Hey fuck you, man!

D Mac

06-01-2006, 02:25 AM

I have honestly never heard of Crispin Glover.

Who is he and where would I have seen him?

Blitz

06-01-2006, 02:30 AM

Crispin Glover:

http://www.jahsonic.com/Villain.jpg

Kalyx triaD

06-01-2006, 02:35 AM

A shot of him in Willard will send the point home.

Blitz

06-01-2006, 02:37 AM

http://www.moviemantz.com/review_shots/willard3.jpg

D Mac

06-01-2006, 02:38 AM

Oh that guy. Yeah I just did'nt know his name.

mitchables

06-01-2006, 02:50 AM

Not my best work, but you get the gist.

mitchables

06-01-2006, 02:51 AM

Man, terrible job on the eyes. Didn't zoom in nearly close enough. Lousy edge finder.

D Mac

06-01-2006, 02:52 AM

rofl

Aussie Skier

06-01-2006, 03:24 AM

I actually read that they may not even have the joker in the next batman.

Seems kinda weird after the ending of the last one, but thats what I read

Rammsteinmad

06-01-2006, 07:13 AM

Russell Crowe from Virtuosity woulda been pretty good I reckon. But now after films like Gladiator and A Beautiful Mind I see him as being too serious.

Kane Knight

06-01-2006, 08:27 AM

So wait, he'll be a good joker because he's already worn a pinstripe suit?

I actually read that they may not even have the joker in the next batman.

Seems kinda weird after the ending of the last one, but thats what I read

It was never a guarantee. Just because they mentioned him doesn't make him the next villain.

Mr. Monday Morning

06-01-2006, 11:52 AM

Last I read it was going to be Joker #2 and Two-Face #3

In which case I again vote for Guy Pearce for Two-Face

Kane Knight

06-01-2006, 12:17 PM

I think Jason Mewes should be the Joker. :shifty:

Danny Electric

06-01-2006, 04:18 PM

snoochie poochies

Kane Knight

06-01-2006, 04:32 PM

snoochie poochies

After all this time, we meet, BAtman. And I will have the last laugh!

BONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

Fox

06-01-2006, 07:08 PM

One word: CLAYFACE.

That is all...... even though it's technically two words mashed together.

ClockShot

06-01-2006, 08:39 PM

One word: CLAYFACE.

That is all...... even though it's technically two words mashed together.

Clayface would be an AWESOME villian to go with. But you gotta find someone pretty but strong to fit the role.

Blitz

06-01-2006, 11:54 PM

And you need some good CGI.

Also, Bane needs to be in one of these movies, so as to erase the travesty that was Batman and Robin Bane.

Kalyx triaD

06-02-2006, 02:32 AM

Think they'll use Halle Berry's Catwoman or introduce a new one altogether?

Kane Knight

06-02-2006, 10:56 AM

Think they'll use Halle Berry's Catwoman or introduce a new one altogether?

If their goal is to take the newly revived series and make it suck, they'll throw in the Berry version.

Pinnacle Charisma

06-02-2006, 11:20 AM

Kane Knight

06-02-2006, 11:27 AM

From the list that was on the website Hugo Weaving and Jude Law would both be awesome in it.

And how could can you compate dc to marvel in terms of move making.

Yeah sure Batman begins was fucking awesome but you cant compare dc who have only made 3 movies (I think and not including the old batman movies) to Marvel who has made a shitload (again the recent ones starting with Blade).

And x-man 2 and spiderman where almost as good as Batman Begins

And lol I was just looking thought the message boards and some kid said that he thought that ryan reynolds or Ashton Kutcher would be good as the new joker
More importantly, Catwoman was nowhere near "Batman Begins." That pile of shit is a tossup for worst commercially released Superhero movie in recent history. The only other movie THAT bad was Hulk.

And, lest we forget, they DID make that Batman series before Begins. The one that was so shitty (At the end), it nearly ended DC's chances of making movies.

Hence the whole "DC is like Nintendo" shit being so retarded.

Quantity aside, DC's already made their share of shit.

Kalyx triaD

06-02-2006, 12:17 PM

I was motioning more toward the revitalized comic-movie ressurgance in the late 90's onward (which Marvel's Blade lead on). Since then, respectable movies based on comics came about, picking up where Superman and Batman left off. Between that timespan... Spawn?

Both DC and Marvel began to take their movie properties very seriously with different plans. Avi Arad took a proactive role in making sure movies didn't bastardize Marvel's characters. We got Spider-Man 2, but we also got Daredevil. Then Elektra. Still, I got alot of stuff to hunt for my Marvel collection (based on films stemming from the more focused direction). DC also began to take their stuff seriously, but the plan was developed based on observing Marvel's ways. "We can release 3 films a year, or one major property a year." That philosophy is close to Nintendo's Quality vs. Quantity belief, which I always agreed with. Marvel's approach reminded me of Playstation's stigma, a mountain of titles to choose from (something they often used as advertisement) although very few were worth playing. The same pros apply as well, atleast there's a lot to work with.

Another similarity with DC Films and Nintendo is that you have to wait a while before you get good stuff.

So while you see my comparison's as fanboyism toward the Big N, I really don't have any issues showing both sides of the coin. Their are pros and cons to both distribution philosophies and I'am aware of them.

NeanderCarl

06-05-2006, 02:48 PM

Why not just have Jack Nicholson play him again? The guy is awesome.

Kalyx triaD

06-05-2006, 03:00 PM

He's 387 years old.

Interestingly enough, though; Jack actually wrote a draft of Joker returning. He showed alot of interest in returning as him.

NeanderCarl

06-05-2006, 03:04 PM

He's 387 years old.

Interestingly enough, though; Jack actually wrote a draft of Joker returning. He showed alot of interest in returning as him.

He was hardly an up-and-comer when he played him last time.

Anyway the guy can play parts much younger than his age when he wants to. He's hardly frail.

Kalyx triaD

06-05-2006, 03:42 PM

I'm not rankin his ability as an actor. You just need a new young Joker for a new young Batman. Bale oppisite Nickleson wouldn't mesh.

NeanderCarl

06-05-2006, 04:41 PM

I'm not rankin his ability as an actor. You just need a new young Joker for a new young Batman. Bale oppisite Nickleson wouldn't mesh.

I see your point, but with the make up and all, I think Nicholson could pull off a "young" Joker.

You could always go for everybody's favourite Nicholson wannabe, Christian Slater?

Kalyx triaD

06-05-2006, 05:17 PM

If you can find him.

NeanderCarl

06-05-2006, 05:29 PM

If you can find him.

Isn't he in London at the moment, taking on another of Jack's roles in a stage production of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest?? I'm almost certain he is.

Kane Knight

06-05-2006, 10:33 PM

Slater would work, and would proibably fit better into the new Batman than Nicholson would. I don't think that style of Joker's the best way to go though.

Aussie Skier

06-07-2006, 03:48 AM

D Mac

06-07-2006, 05:34 AM

Jim Carrey

mitchables

06-10-2006, 09:14 PM

Jude law would be awesome.

I'm not 100% but was he the "bad guy" (the guy who shot Tom Hanks) in Road to Perdition. Cos whoever that was would b awesome 2...I just can't remember if that was jude Law or not

No. If you want this movie to have any credibility, you wouldn't even mentally associate Jude Law with it. The man had like 200 movies come out in the last two years, and pretty much all of them were horrible failures. He carries too much of a stigma to believably be "The Joker" as opposed to "Jude Law in fruity makeup".

Fox

06-11-2006, 02:28 AM

Jim Carrey

He's busy making "Jim Carrey Whores Himself to Another Shitty Script to Make Another Cheap Mil." It'll be out in 2008.

The Joker isn't so much about the look as it is the attitude and the laugh. Anyone can bear the green wig and make-up to resemble the Joker, but it takes a certain type of actor to get into that sadistic, blood-thirsty, out for blood persona, yet still be able to crack jokes.

So yeah, Ashton Kutcher, definitely. :wtf:

Azriel

06-12-2006, 07:50 PM

He was hardly an up-and-comer when he played him last time.

Anyway the guy can play parts much younger than his age when he wants to. He's hardly frail.
Jack Nicholson hardly an up and comer?! :wtf: By the time he did the first Batman, he was pretty much one of the most acclaimed actors in modern cinema. It probably did serve for him to getting noticed by our generation though.

Kane Knight

06-12-2006, 09:48 PM

That's what he was saying.

D Mac

09-25-2006, 03:21 PM

Title Note: (8/2/06) Warner Bros. has announced that the title of the second 'Batman' in the revitalized franchise will be 'The Dark Knight.'

Kalyx triaD

09-25-2006, 03:25 PM

Jonah Nolan, the brother of Batman Begins director Chris, is writing the script this go 'round.

Stickman

09-25-2006, 03:45 PM

I don't get why they're redoing Batman with the Joker as the villan. The first batman with Micheal Keaton was good. Had that been shit yeah I understand a redo.

Kalyx triaD

09-25-2006, 03:57 PM

They're not redoing Tim Burton's Batman anymore than a comic writer is redoing an X-Men/Magneto battle because it already happened before. This is an alternate take on the Batman franchise.

If the story turns out terribly similar then...

DaveWadding

09-25-2006, 04:30 PM

Jonah Nolan, the brother of Batman Begins director Chris, is writing the script this go 'round.

Jonathan Nolan :wave:

Kalyx triaD

09-25-2006, 08:58 PM

His name could be Jimmy Olsen; he better do the series justice.

Fignuts

09-26-2006, 12:59 AM

Oh, what the fuck, why are they changing directors? I smell failure.

Blitz

09-26-2006, 01:01 AM

They haven't changed directors, it's still Christopher Nolan.

El Fangel

09-26-2006, 01:08 AM

Heath Ledger I read somewhere has been confired for the role of the Joker, in the next Batman Movie which I believe is named The Dark Knight.

Blitz

04-21-2007, 02:57 AM

Some pretty blurry pics of Heath Ledger in (partial?) Joker gear.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5530

Mr Regal

04-21-2007, 06:05 AM

Yup looks like the joker alright. I am hoping he really plays this as a really sick, sadistic creepy Joker. Dark and menacing. i am 100% sure this film is going to be fantastic....Has Bale actually been in a bad film yet?

McLegend

04-21-2007, 11:03 AM

I seriosuly can't wait for this movie.

I'm not a huge Heath Ledger, but I like him though so I'm happy with him. Just throwing this out there even though it won't ever happen.

I would love to Mr. Freeze in future movies, but be more like Batman The animated Series Mr. Freeze which would kick all kinds of ass. Not gonna happen but I would like to see it.

Kris P Lettus

04-21-2007, 11:38 AM

Wasn't Bane in Batman and Robin played by Big Van Vader??

McLegend

04-21-2007, 12:14 PM

Nope, but he was a wrestler and wrestled as Ultimate Soultion in WCW.

He also wrestled on the indies as Jeep Swenson

Downunder

04-22-2007, 07:10 AM

Mr Regal

04-22-2007, 08:19 AM

Nah i liked that film.

You have shit taste in movies downunder.

*punches downunder in the balls*

That aside then, has Bale ever put in a bad performance?

Avenger

04-22-2007, 08:42 AM

Can't wait for this and Superman.

Superman more than anything though.

Downunder

04-22-2007, 08:52 AM

Nah i liked that film.

You have shit taste in movies downunder.

*punches downunder in the balls*

That aside then, has Bale ever put in a bad performance?

Reign of Fire was fairly ordinary

Mr Regal

04-22-2007, 09:23 AM

I hate you downunder, pure hate you:rant:

Reign of Fire was the dogs bollocks!

Kane Knight

04-22-2007, 10:15 AM

Haven't seen American Psychp, but Reign of Fire wasn't horrible.

ct2k

04-22-2007, 01:00 PM

I heart Batman

Blitz

04-23-2007, 05:36 AM

More (supposed) Joker pictures. Good quality.

This one is supposedly a concept picture or summat.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32380

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386

The look is...........interesting.

Mr Regal

04-23-2007, 06:05 AM

Dave Youell

04-23-2007, 07:28 AM

Not what I expected, but it still looked cool

Boondock Saint

04-23-2007, 10:57 AM

I like it. Pretty creepy IMO. PLus, this is still early so I'm sure it'll get even better down the road.

Kane Knight

04-23-2007, 02:48 PM

Yeah in the first he looks a little "crowish" and the concept pick is quite cool. I don't think it's a massive deal exactly how he looks. I mean we all knew he was going to have green hair and face paint, but be less cartoony than in previous incarations.

The whole deal with this new franchise is that it has a darker more realistic tone to it.

The Crow's makeup was really based on a Harlequinn anyway, so it kind of makes sense. Still, even in a darker Batman movie, I hope to see the Joker a bit more tricked out than that.

Boondock Saint

04-23-2007, 10:50 PM

Apparently the photos are fake.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5558

Here's a quick link to the forum with the dude explaining what he did:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11556864&posted=1#post11556864

Kane Knight

04-23-2007, 11:19 PM

LOL

Blitz

04-23-2007, 11:42 PM

Pretty good photoshop job.

Kane Knight

04-23-2007, 11:48 PM

Better than any fake I've seen before for sure.

Downunder

04-24-2007, 10:00 PM

Haven't seen American Psychp, but Reign of Fire wasn't horrible.

No it wasn't horrible - (I own the DVD) but it wasn't what I would call a great film.

Also LOL @ The Joker pics - that guy is a genius.

Kane Knight

04-24-2007, 10:07 PM

Yeah, but he just asked if Bale was in a BAD film.

Though I bet American Psycho is fucking awful.

Downunder

04-24-2007, 10:22 PM

Ok good point.

American Psycho is BAD.

Jeritron

04-26-2007, 01:08 PM

American Psycho is FAR from bad

Shaved Monkey

04-26-2007, 01:20 PM

Yeah, but he just asked if Bale was in a BAD film.

Though I bet American Psycho is fucking awful.

American Psycho was decent, but it lost alot in the book to movie translation.

Compared to the book (pretty much like any movie) it blew.

Kane Knight

04-26-2007, 04:10 PM

I don't really compare stuff to the book except in the most superficial of fashions, so no worries there,.

Stickman

04-26-2007, 05:46 PM

Jack Nicholson is the only joker in my eyes.

Boondock Saint

04-26-2007, 05:55 PM

Cesar Romero.

Downunder

04-26-2007, 08:59 PM

American Psycho as a stand alone movie was crap, compared to the book it was truely awful.

Mr Regal

04-27-2007, 06:14 AM

Well i liked it so fuck you:foc:

Blitz

04-27-2007, 03:46 PM

American Psycho was good.

Champion of Europa

04-27-2007, 03:59 PM

I loved American Psycho. Whenever I wanna get out of an awkward situation, I say, "Um.. I have to return some videotapes."

Jeritron

04-28-2007, 12:29 AM

American Psycho is awesome, it's also funny

Smitty

04-30-2007, 04:24 PM

anyone like Harsh Times? I did.

Boondock Saint

04-30-2007, 04:51 PM

It was pretty good, I thought. For a movie with zero plot it was entertaining. Seeing Bale go batshit insane (no pun intended) was great.

AdrianM

05-02-2007, 07:20 PM

American psycho was awesome.

"Try getting a reservation at Dorsia now you SICK FUCK!!!" :)

Jeritron

05-14-2007, 03:13 AM

Sarah Michelle Gellar has reportedly been cast as Harley Quinn. I'm not sure of how true this is, but it's all over the place

Blitz

05-14-2007, 03:16 AM

Hmmmmm, that could be interesting.

Blitz

05-14-2007, 03:17 AM

Also, the site is up, but it's nothing but a logo atm.

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/

Jeritron

05-14-2007, 03:22 AM

Wouldn't mind Sarah Michelle Gellar. It's all over the internet, which doesn't make it even close to true. But now is around the time (production) where rumors carry more weight and theres a fine line between news and rumors.

Personally, I think shes the right age and look for the part. I'd be fine with it. Who knows if the reports of her being cast are true, or if Harley Quinn is even in the script. If they're trying to make Joker different I think giving him his love interest would be a good way to go about it.

Jeritron

05-14-2007, 03:24 AM

***Possible Spoiler below****

new sleaker batmobile is also a big rumor, since supposedly the big tank is set to be blown up and destroyed for a scene next week.

Kane Knight

05-14-2007, 08:11 AM

Sweet

PapaGeorgio

05-14-2007, 02:53 PM

Pretty sure Bales best performance was in Shaft as a rich racist white boy.

wwe2222

05-18-2007, 11:11 AM

http://batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

Richard from Lost will be playing the new mayor in Dark Knight

Jeritron

05-18-2007, 02:13 PM

I think it's great that Aaron Eckhart is playing Harvey Dent

wwe2222

05-18-2007, 02:17 PM

http://ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com/

dont know if you guys saw that or not

Blitz

05-20-2007, 02:51 AM

Now this is interesting....

http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/

Enter your e-mail. You'll get a message saying you've got 5 minutes to play. The Dent pic is melting away to reveal what seems to be The Joker.

Jeritron

05-20-2007, 12:25 PM

Joker looks terrible

DaBrasko

05-20-2007, 05:50 PM

I think Brittany Murphy would be a perfect Harley Quinn. Her voice in SinCity was pretty much spot on.

Mr. Monday Morning

05-20-2007, 05:56 PM

IMO Harley wouldn't really fit in with the tone set by the first film at all

Boondock Saint

05-20-2007, 08:20 PM

That's what The Joker should look like. Fucking haunting. Love it.

Kane Knight

05-20-2007, 08:25 PM

IMO Harley wouldn't really fit in with the tone set by the first film at all

Depends on the tone of the character within the movie.

Jeritron

05-20-2007, 09:55 PM

Here we go with this shit. Now that people/fans ate up Batman Begins, suddenly they can do no wrong. Everything they do or change suddenly becomes genius and is what it 'should' be.
At the end of the day, it's a comic book movie and Batman always was a comic book. Yes it was dark and realistic at times, but it was still always a comic book and a lot lighter than some people seem to think.

That is NOT what Joker should look like. Joker should look like he did from his first appearance all the way through the decades. Even the campy Batman animated series got the look somewhere near right. And the now taboo 1989 classic that is so turned upon because it doesn't follow the graphic novels, they had The Joker.

Something better be different about that makeup than what I see so far. Honestly, it seems like they're trying to be so realistic with things and so set in getting away from what Batman already is, that they're cutting off their nose to spite their face. What's next, Batman is just gonna stop wearing a cape because it's not practical? Maybe he should stop doing his bidding at night because it raises too many questions about when people get their sleep.

Jeritron

05-20-2007, 10:04 PM

Director Christopher Nolan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Nolan) has said that this portrayal will be inspired by The Killing Joke, and the character's first two appearances in the comics

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Joker2.jpg/180px-Joker2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Joker2.jpg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Jokerkillingjoke.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Jokerkillingjoke.png)

I believe this is what he is referring too. Now I'm all for page to screen changes that are reasonable and make sense. But if Joker's natural look is canned in favor of some artsy villian that looks more like Clockwork Orange than his source material, and has makeup that looks like a 4yr old's attempt, than I'm gonna be a TAD dissapointed.

wwe2222

05-21-2007, 12:16 AM

well I personally love it so far...

people keep saying..."oh the comics, etc. etc."....yes, its a slightly different direction, but if the Joker character works as a character and sticks to what has made the Joker work, than this look will work just fine....Its not like they shaved his head and gave him a yellow jumpsuit. This is still the joker, you are still going to know its him and you will still know where the heart of the character is.

The joker pictures Jeritron posted show the Joker as a crazy madman. I think that is exactly what you are getting here. I dont think simply putting white makeup and green hair and a some lipstick on is going to work in this setting.

and its only a brief shot of it...once he puts a smile on, and you see the green hair, and the purple outfit, I think it will tie in much better along with a performance that will make you believe in it

Boondock Saint

05-21-2007, 03:34 AM

What I like about this is that it seems to fit perfectly into Nolan's Batman world. He's going for a realistic setting as much as one can with a comic book adapation.

The Joker is a sadistc, twisted sonuvabitch. If he was real, this is how I'd expect him to look.

Different strokes, I guess. What really matters, IMO, is Ledger's portrayal of him.

Boondock Saint

05-21-2007, 03:37 AM

Also, it's still early days so there may be some more changes within the year to the exact look.

Boondock Saint

05-21-2007, 03:40 AM

Just if anyone is curious, this is what Joker looks like now, in the comics:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Joker_new_look.jpg/180px-Joker_new_look.jpg

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 03:47 AM

I don't want it so realistic that they comprimise the thing is all. He's using theatrics and the whole clown thing as a gimmick, just like Batman is. That's fine. He's going to be portrayed as a maniac I hope, which is fine. But the Joker needs to be maniacal and upbeat with a shit eating grin/evil twist. If they go for a moping depressed mime it's no good. I think that they're trying to get away from Nicholson and Hammil so much that they're actually moving away from what the Joker really is, because whether they like it or not they were in large part on par with it.
Theres much more they can explore, and a different direction can be taken, but you can only get so different when you're dealing with the same character. Yes he's sadistic and twisted, but he's also The fuckin Joker. It's too early to tell, but it'd be a terrible mistake to go too heavily for one aspect. The thing I dislike most is probably the messy makeup on the smile, and the heavy racoon eyeshadow. And most of all, even though it's only one picture, the fact that he isn't smiling.

I like the chelsea smile, but he had better have green hair and a splash of purple somewhere to go with it. I just want to see Joker smiling, not trying to look like some depressed harlequin's myspace. I can't judge it all til I see it, but I think Nolan tries to get TOO realistic at times.
One of Batman's better qualities has always been it's realistic roots, and its presence in the legal world full of corruption. But at the end of the day, it's a story about a billionaire ninja who dresses as a Bat and fights mobsters with gimmicks.

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 03:49 AM

Just if anyone is curious, this is what Joker looks like now, in the comics:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Joker_new_look.jpg/180px-Joker_new_look.jpg

Yea but that's now. They're claim is that they're going for what he came across as in The Killing Joke and his first few appearances (see pics above), which I think is a great move characterwise and thematically. But as for the look, it's not on par to say the least.

Boondock Saint

05-21-2007, 03:51 AM

You read The Killing Joke? Good shit that is.

Blitz

05-21-2007, 03:58 AM

People are assuming a whole lot from this single pic (and there is some possibility that this is another elaborate fake). Personally, I like what I see so far. I think the Joker should look scary and psychotic. Doesn't matter how he looks tho if the performance isn't there, so I'll reserve total judgment till the flick is out.

Blitz

05-21-2007, 03:59 AM

Full pic on the website is revealed by the way. I find it a bit odd that WB would put out a clear pic of the Joker more than a year before the movie comes out...

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 04:00 AM

Yes. I read it a few years ago, I'd like to again. Same with Long Halloween, the year one storyline, Dark Knight returns and a few others. I should pick them up sometime this year. I've always been a big Batman fan and semi-expert, even though I'm not a diehard regular reader. I never regularly read the Batman regular titles, but my whole life I've been a fan. I've read the comics off and on here and there, but have always kept up on his dealings and history.
I of course was way into the movies (for better and for worse), and the animated series and his entire history and mythology. I know all about it.
But yea, Joker has always been one of, if not THE, best comic villian in my eyes, so I look at this thing with high expectations I suppose.

I have faith in Ledger and Nolan, but I just didn't like what I've seen so far. Of course all I've seen is that pic, so hopefully and likely it will change.

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 04:02 AM

Full pic on the website is revealed by the way. I find it a bit odd that WB would put out a clear pic of the Joker more than a year before the movie comes out...

I'm sure they'll milk him for all he's worth. Even Raimi's attempted Venom secrecy couldn't avoid the marketing machine. That lasted a long time of course, and I agree a year early is kinda soon to see stuff.

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 04:09 AM

Ledger can hopefully deliver his performance. It's all on him ultimately like you guys have said. He certainly has the right look. He's tall, skinny and seems to have a big shit eating grin. He also seems to have the right edge and darkside to him. As for his acting ability, he is of course talented and seems to be good at what he does. That's why I have faith.
The only thing that scares me is that in anything I've ever seen him in he has been pretty serious, deep voiced, a tad stern and of few words. He's also been kinda stiff on the personality side in anything I've ever seen him. Of course these may be the roles he's been cast in or that I've seen, but these properties are the exact opposite of what he's gonna need to convey for this role.
Hopefulyl he has the ability to let loose, be maniacal, frightening, comically elequent and animated, yet deep and dark with his performance.

Boondock Saint

05-21-2007, 04:12 AM

I love Long Halloween. So good.

But I get where you're coming from about The Joker and everything. Very understandable.

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 04:20 AM

No matter what Nolan's interpretation of Joker is, or how quality Ledger's performance is in the role, I think that The Joker will in this movie, and in anything else always live in the shadow of Nicholson in 1989. It is just so larger than life with people that to the average person it has become synonymous with the character. As fans, things can change or opinions can vary. But to the casual Batfan or movie goer/kid, Nicholsons Joker strikes a cord that doesnt really have much to do with it's fidelity to the comics or mythos. Unlike Batman where some people think West, some think Keaton or Kilmer, and now with a new generation some think Bale. Batman has become kind of a James Bond character in terms of what the role is and the actors who play him.

That's bittersweet of course, since sadly almost every Joker interpretation will forever be judged against Nicholsons and likely live within it's shadow regardless of it's difference or quality. That's the bitter. The sweet of course is that there's a version of The Joker that is so endearing and classic out there. Regardless of problems fans may have with the role or performances accuracy to the comic books, it's pretty clear that it's an amazing performance.

Boondock Saint

05-21-2007, 04:25 AM

Hey now, let's give props where they're due...

http://static.flickr.com/75/197804477_89bf175d8f_o.jpg

Blitz

05-21-2007, 04:29 AM

We also have no idea about exactly when the look in this pic is supposed to happen. Suppose this is right after his chemical accident or whatever, and he spruces himself up later in the movie.

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 04:36 AM

A note about the Batman role and it's various actors:

Today I was telling a friend about Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart as Joker and Two Face respectively and he asked "So is Bale still Batman?"

This question made me realize just how expected it is from the general public for the Batman actor to change. It probably will eventually. How many are Nolan and Bale signed on for? I would think 3, maybe 4 tops. But to think WB is smart enough to leave the series untouched and on a high note is foolish.
Batman will of course be recast and reworked down the road just as it's being done now, but it will probably even be recasted and reworked in the near future within this current series continuity.
Just like Burton and Keaton, Nolan and Bale will probably get canned after 3 because their realistic approaches aren't selling enough action figures or getting happy meal deals. A shame really.

Ben Rodrigues

05-21-2007, 07:05 AM

http://www.stuff.co.nz/images/296772.jpg

Heath Ledger as the Joker... Apparently.

wwe2222

05-21-2007, 07:52 AM

what this scarring technique also allows them to do is let the joker still give the appearance that he is smiling and clown, but yet still give Heath full movement of his lips...unlike 89's Batman, with the permanent grin....and when Heath does put his big goofy smile in, its going to be like "wow, there it is" yet still allow him times to be a little angrier and show different emotions

Mr. Monday Morning

05-21-2007, 08:07 AM

http://www.heathledger.net/_main/images/stories/About%20Heath/Filmography/The%20Dark%20Knight.jpg

McLegend

05-21-2007, 08:08 AM

Hot

Jeritron

05-21-2007, 08:20 AM

http://www.heathledger.net/_main/images/stories/About%20Heath/Filmography/The%20Dark%20Knight.jpg

dude that's a fake. You google imaged Joker I'm assuming...

Mr. Monday Morning

05-21-2007, 08:36 AM

No I lifted it from Ledger's site

Mr. Monday Morning

05-21-2007, 08:45 AM

Although now you mention it I remember seeing something very similar before, so you're probably right. Dunno why Ledger would put it up on his site, but whatever.

God only knows if this is legit

http://www.myspace.com/ibelieveinharveydenttoo

Kane Knight

05-21-2007, 09:15 AM

Definitely too early to be bitching about a joker we've barely seen.

wwe2222

05-21-2007, 09:33 AM

http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_5943152

Anthony Michael Hall in Dark Knight...what the hell role could they be keeping such a tight lip on?

Ben Rodrigues

05-21-2007, 09:50 AM

http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_5943152

Anthony Michael Hall in Dark Knight...what the hell role could they be keeping such a tight lip on?

Either Riddler or Bane.

wwe2222

05-21-2007, 10:04 AM

I considered the Riddler...but i figured the 3rd movie would be primarily about Two Face with the Joker on trial maybe?

wonder how another villian would play into this

Mr. Monday Morning

05-21-2007, 10:08 AM

From what I remember Joker goes on trial at the end of the 2nd and does the whole acid in the face dealy leading to Two-Face in #3.

Maybe AMH is going to be the updated Bob :D

Blitz

05-22-2007, 12:20 AM

So the page with the Joker pic is down now. Go to it and it says "Page Not Found". Highlight the entire page, however, to see a bunch of "Ha Ha"s, and some random letters that, when put together, apparently say "See you in December".

First trailer, perhaps?

Jeritron

05-22-2007, 12:22 AM

Yea they're having the first trailer in December. Supposedly they hired some marketing company to do all this. There's supposed to be more stuff like that all year, and faux billboards and campaign ads and shit.
I will say, it's gotten people talking so far.

Ben Rodrigues

05-22-2007, 07:18 AM

I swear Anthony Michael Hall better not be Robin. I hate that character so much.

Boondock Saint

05-22-2007, 08:02 AM

He'd be a bit old for Robin...any version.

Jeritron

05-22-2007, 01:07 PM

Robin sucks

Kalyx triaD

05-22-2007, 01:37 PM

Tim Drake's cool. Grayson owns.

Jeritron

05-22-2007, 02:22 PM

Yea but his character was a campy addition that sort of undermines what Batman has evolved into, especially the type of Batman that is cut out for movie use. That's a dark brooding loner Batman, which is what Burton was going for so he resisted Robin. Nolan's going for the same, so he likely is avoiding Robin despite the studio probably pushing for it.
Robin is just useless. When he was killed off he should have stayed dead.

Jeritron

05-22-2007, 02:26 PM

AMH can't really be Robin. He's older than Bale and Ledger as far as I know. He was a teenager in the 80s while Christian Bale was like 7 in Empire of the Sun.
He also looks nothing like Robin, and I doubt Robin's going to be introduce during Nolans watch. Of course, I don't doubt for a second that Nolan and Bale will part with Batman after the 3rd or 4th movie and go onto other things. Either that or they'll get canned, and WB will amost surely repeat their mistakes and continue the continuity with all the unused characters and a new director/cast/mood.

AMH is possibly Edward Nigma working at Wayne Enterprises and they're going for that approach. Either that or he's a run of the mill normal character and nothing too special, and this is all just guerilla promotion and pointless hype. Probably the latter, since that's what actors do to promote movies they're in, even if they're not that important. All of that actors probably have confidentiality agreements, it doesn't mean they're future villians or well known characters. The 200 million suprise is probably the projected box office for TDK, and not some future draw. That's my two cents.

Boondock Saint

05-22-2007, 04:56 PM

Nightwing is one of the coolest. Without Robin we wouldn't have him so SILENCE!

Sephiroth

05-22-2007, 05:18 PM

Enough talk about fucking Robin!

If they ever put in a Robin, i hope they make him a gay character, cause Robin screams for a fucking ass rape!

Can you see it happening?

Tjeepers Batman! This goes deeeeeeep! :rofl:

Jeritron

05-22-2007, 05:29 PM

Nightwing is one of the coolest. Without Robin we wouldn't have him so SILENCE!

Nightwing is cool, and I used to like Robin. I just don't think Robin has any place in the movies, and to be honest never really did in the comics. He wound up there and that can't be changed but he should have been left dead or allowed to grow into Nightwing and go away forever.

Ben Rodrigues

05-22-2007, 07:18 PM

The introduction of Robin began the death of the original quadrilogy. That and Val Kilmer.

mitchables

05-22-2007, 07:32 PM

No, the poor treatment of Robin marred his introduction. Also, I think Val Kilmer actually played a better Batman/Bruce Wayne than Michael Keaton, but just had the misfortune of being in an inferior film.

I disagree with the idea that Robin has no place in the comics. Movies, yes - especially this early on when Bruce has literally just begun his crime-fighting career. But the comics? Maybe the campy '60s interpretation is unnecessary but what it boils down to is Robin is the counterweight to Batman. Batman dresses in dark colours, broods all the time, and walks a tightrope between justice and vengeance every night. Robin is youthful, colourful (though less so now than previously), wise-cracking, and generally the "light" to Batman's "dark". And even Batman needs someone to pull him out of the dark every now and again; otherwise he will be - and has previously been - consumed by his anger. :-\

Blitz

05-22-2007, 07:50 PM

Thought I heard something about Black Mask being a villain in the next flick (after TDK). Maybe Hall is playing him to set up the next one?

mitchables

05-22-2007, 08:09 PM

That'd be sweet. I like Black Mask, though in a lot of his appearances he comes off as a less-crazy, more-gangsterised Joker. :-\ Always making wisecracks and stuff, but not to the extent Joker does.

mitchables

05-22-2007, 08:09 PM

*liked Black Mask.

Jeritron

05-23-2007, 01:00 AM

still highly doubt someone like that being used when Penguin, Riddler and various others are still untapped

Jeritron

05-23-2007, 01:08 AM

I'd like to see Two Face set up for a main villian role in 3. Maybe have him roll with another minor villian or even better, Perhaps Penguin as rival/ally mobster.
Penguin would be nice to see set up in 2 or 3 as a straight up mob boss who sticks around for most of the movies.

After that I'd like to see perhaps Riddler team up with Scarecrow to drive the bat/city insane.

Somewhere in the trilogy it'd be nice to see Bane or Killer Croc implemented as a badass to lock horns with Batman on behalf of a more cowardly or physically inadequate main villian.

After that, you'd be at 4 movies and the chances are slim of Nolan and Bale sticking around, same with MIchael Caine and Freeman.
So you'd probably have the series continued, hopefully more successfully and seemlessly than in the 90s.
You'd still have Freeze which could be done well if done the right way, and a few other good villians. All of them have to be done realistically and within the Nolan vision though.

I think Catwoman and Robin are better left out of this interpretation, for a change. However those are 2 characters WB is going to push for hard.

mitchables

05-23-2007, 01:57 AM

They probably won't do Penguin. Nolan has said he doesn't feel the character fits in with the more "real" take on Batman they're doing. But, never say never. :-\

DaveWadding

05-23-2007, 03:14 AM

I think Catwoman and Robin are better left out of this interpretation, for a change. However those are 2 characters WB is going to push for hard.

I swear to God if they put Catwoman in this interpretation, I WILL murder somebody. Because Catwoman would almost literally HAVE to be Halle Berry...and God was that movie awful :'(

Blitz

05-23-2007, 04:37 AM

Because Catwoman would almost literally HAVE to be Halle Berry
Why?

I'd love to see Catwoman make an appearance.

Jeritron

05-23-2007, 06:04 AM

I swear to God if they put Catwoman in this interpretation, I WILL murder somebody. Because Catwoman would almost literally HAVE to be Halle Berry...and God was that movie awful :'(

Why would Catwoman HAVE to be Halle Berry? We're talking about a comic book movie here, the Batman franchise nonetheless. Recasting and new interpretations of a role/character are not only normal, they're expected.

Mr. Monday Morning

05-23-2007, 08:15 AM

I'd like to see Two Face set up for a main villian role in 3. Maybe have him roll with another minor villian or even better, Perhaps Penguin as rival/ally mobster.
Penguin would be nice to see set up in 2 or 3 as a straight up mob boss who sticks around for most of the movies.

After that I'd like to see perhaps Riddler team up with Scarecrow to drive the bat/city insane.

Somewhere in the trilogy it'd be nice to see Bane or Killer Croc implemented as a badass to lock horns with Batman on behalf of a more cowardly or physically inadequate main villian.

After that, you'd be at 4 movies and the chances are slim of Nolan and Bale sticking around, same with MIchael Caine and Freeman.
So you'd probably have the series continued, hopefully more successfully and seemlessly than in the 90s.
You'd still have Freeze which could be done well if done the right way, and a few other good villians. All of them have to be done realistically and within the Nolan vision though.

You're getting into Spiderman 3 territory with the number of names being thrown around here. Why is 1 villain per film never enough? (that's rhetorical btw, not directed to you per se)

wwe2222

05-23-2007, 12:11 PM

You're getting into Spiderman 3 territory with the number of names being thrown around here. Why is 1 villain per film never enough? (that's rhetorical btw, not directed to you per se)

I dont mind when its One major villian and some minor villians...well I shouldnt say minor villians, but lets say under-villians.

Batman Begins had Ras as the main villian while Scarecrow and Falcone were the under-villians in the movie.

Problem with Batman Forever and Batman and Robin was that they tried to make too many people the main Villian and you cant' really focus the story well enough.

Dark Knight will obviously feature the Joker as the main villian, but its not bad to have Scarecrow still running around and interfering or someone else similiar to him.

Kane Knight

05-23-2007, 12:29 PM

Yeah, as long as the villains aren't too numerous, a hierarchal deal is perfectly fine.

Jeritron

05-23-2007, 03:37 PM

You're getting into Spiderman 3 territory with the number of names being thrown around here. Why is 1 villain per film never enough? (that's rhetorical btw, not directed to you per se)

Traditionally, yes I do prefer the one villian per movie deal. However Batman Begins had 2 or 3 villians and a higherarchal deal. If you're setting up various mob bosses and players throughout the series, while focusing on one or a duo of villians, it works fine.
Batman Begins had Ras and Scarecrow, so you can't really fault the inclusion of multiple villians in following sequels until you see it play out.

For instance, you have Scarecrow set up and still out there.
Joker wil be the focus of 2, with Two Face being set up.
If you focus on Two Face and another small pawn in 3 that will be fine.
Come time for 4, you can focus solely on The Riddler.

However, this whole time that doesn't mean you can't setup Penguin as a recurring arms dealer/mob boss supporting character and player throughout the series. You can also use the whole mobster higherachy like they did with Falcone. It also doesn't mean you can't fit in lesser characters where the plot calls for it. I wouldn't like to see them forced like they have been in other comic movies, but I don't see the flaw in using a strongman asskciker like Bane at some point. He doesn't carry much baggage if you're just using him as a right hand man or a mercenary type called in to beat Batman's ass.

Catwoman and Robin, that's the real baggage that needs to be left out. Even though Catwoman was done pretty well in Burton's continuity, it would clog things up here. Same goes for Robin. Villians running rampant and forming alliances makes sense, but it's when you have more than one protagonist and a handful of heroes that things get confusing and crowded. Batman having his identity known and his career shared with Alfred and Lucius Fox is enough. Plus he's got Gordon as a crime fighting ally. Even Rachel Dawes knowing his identity so carelessly seems a bit much, though I don't mind it.

Kane Knight

05-23-2007, 08:03 PM

Catwoman would be awesome as a semi-regular foe.

YOUR Hero

05-23-2007, 08:12 PM

Jeritron

05-23-2007, 08:23 PM

Ras was a hardly known, but Scarecrow was next in the order of villians to be used by WB. He was slated to be the villian for the 5th movie, and he's pretty well known.

Now you have Joker and Two Face up next, so I think they're gonna go with the usual suspects for the msot part. Which ones and in what order is the question.

Kane Knight

05-23-2007, 08:46 PM

One nice thing about the Batman Begins movie was the villains he fought. They were not really well known to casual fans. I don't know if they plan on introducing hardly known characters like this again, but I think it's a fresh idea. Of course you gotta have Joker, but yeah 'hardly knowns' would be a nice trend.

Ras has been around for a while, and in more recent comics has aparently become his primary rival. I don't know, haven't picked up a Batman comic since the Dark Knight series broughtiin Robin, but....

DaveWadding

05-24-2007, 12:42 AM

Why would Catwoman HAVE to be Halle Berry? We're talking about a comic book movie here, the Batman franchise nonetheless. Recasting and new interpretations of a role/character are not only normal, they're expected.

Yeah, but you have to remember that that movie didnt come out so long ago...and while the character changing and shit is normal to comic book fans, regular movie goers would be like "well, I thought Catwoman was Halle Berry :?:" I would be totally for a change, but WB might be looking for some kind of continuity....

who knows

Jeritron

05-24-2007, 04:09 AM

not really. You have Rachel Dawes character being recast within the franchise. Plus this is a new franchise, and with every new franchise you have a new interpretation, just like with Batman and all the other characters. Catwoman is like Batman, she's been played by so many actresses that it doesnt matter. That's like saying Casino Royale would be confusing to people if Peirce Brosnan wasn't in it.

Blitz

05-24-2007, 04:10 AM

Dave, I don't think you are giving the general moviegoing public enough credit.

Jeritron

05-24-2007, 04:13 AM

plus I highly doubt anyone associates Halle Berry with the character or remembers that peice of trash. Michelle Pfeifer played Catwoman with much more success and recognition just years before, and she was following in the footsteps of Ertha Kitt and those 2 other bitches. People don't need to see the same actor in the role because it's a role that isn't owned by the actor. You have to have the same actor for say...Han Solo, or Jack Sparrow, or The Terminator.
Batman, Catwoman, The Joker, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, Hamlet etc etc etc...those are different.

Kane Knight

05-24-2007, 09:53 AM

Yeah, but you have to remember that that movie didnt come out so long ago...and while the character changing and shit is normal to comic book fans, regular movie goers would be like "well, I thought Catwoman was Halle Berry :?:" I would be totally for a change, but WB might be looking for some kind of continuity....

who knows:lol: :|

mitchables

05-24-2007, 10:08 AM

I would kill for an update of Mr. Freeze. Get someone like John Malkovich, put him in armour ala Batman: TAS, and give him the same so-calm-its-terrifying demeanour. Really play on the emotion of his wife's condition and the tragedy of the character. I think it could be pulled off far better than Schumacer's camp-fest interpretation. "Ice to meet you", indeed.

Kalyx triaD

05-24-2007, 10:11 AM

Honestly, the Governator's Mr. Freeze was one of the few things I liked from that multi-million dollar attack on comic fans.

mitchables

05-24-2007, 10:14 AM

Clayface would be cool, but might be viewed as a bit "Sandman-esque" in light of Spider-Man 3.

I mean...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8a/Clayface2.jpg/200px-Clayface2.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/30/S3_sandman_punch.jpg/250px-S3_sandman_punch.jpg

mitchables

05-24-2007, 10:18 AM

Honestly, the Governator's Mr. Freeze was one of the few things I liked from that multi-million dollar attack on comic fans.

Really? I hated it. Watching both Super Friends and later Batman: TAS growing up, I always preferred the latter interpretation of Mr. Freeze. I dunno, the campy pun-spewing version just never did anything for me. :-\

Boondock Saint

05-24-2007, 01:16 PM

You're not sending me to the cooler!

Jeritron

05-24-2007, 02:22 PM

What killed the dinosaurs?

THE ICE AGE!!

McLegend

05-24-2007, 08:23 PM

I might have said this in this thread on some other page, but anyway...

Batman the Animated Series version of Mr. Freeze could be pretty kick ass in a movie.

Jeritron

05-24-2007, 08:52 PM

absolutely. I always thought Ben Kingsley would make a great Freeze

YOUR Hero

05-25-2007, 09:39 PM

It just better kick ass.

mitchables

05-26-2007, 07:56 AM

I might have said this in this thread on some other page, but anyway...

Batman the Animated Series version of Mr. Freeze could be pretty kick ass in a movie.

Or maybe it's because I said it, 6 posts above this one.

McLegend

05-26-2007, 10:33 AM

Yeah I did see that actually, which is what made me think to say it again.

Kane Knight

05-26-2007, 11:05 AM

I have to say: Anything NOT the B&R ersion of Mister Freeze>The B&R Version.

Even the gay ass Batman 70s show.

But the Cartoon's take on Freeze would be pretty cool.

Considering that even the over-the-top shit is more down to earth in this series so far, though....

Blitz

05-29-2007, 05:18 AM

Couple of small production pics. You get see the Joker (blurrily) in the 2nd pic.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32816

They really don't seem to care much about keeping a lid on the Joker, do they?

mitchables

05-29-2007, 05:21 AM

Honestly, in today's day and age where even the most well-guarded secret leaks it's way onto the internet, why expend the effort?

YOUR Hero

05-29-2007, 09:51 AM

Ben Rodrigues

05-30-2007, 07:09 AM

wwe2222

05-30-2007, 08:02 AM

I sure hope that they don't go too over the top with the look of the villains. In the first movie it was gritty and not so... I hate to say campy, but that's sort of the word that comes to mind. I guess I'd like 'my' Batman to be more mature and believable.

you will only get the Joker so realistic to a point. You cannot totally rework the character where he is losing the traits that make him so recognizable. Hopefully the performance will be menacing enough for you not to feel like it is campy.

YOUR Hero

05-30-2007, 09:47 AM

Nah the Nicholson Joker was not campy at all. I was referring to the pictures in the link that was posted here. That worries me a little. That plus the fact the villains in the later Batman movies the last time around became over the top in their campness as that series progressed.

YOUR Hero

05-30-2007, 09:50 AM

you will only get the Joker so realistic to a point. You cannot totally rework the character where he is losing the traits that make him so recognizable. Hopefully the performance will be menacing enough for you not to feel like it is campy.

Yes.

Again going back to Nicholson, he was burned in a vast of acid. That's what disfigured him and had him wear make up. It was well explained and well done. But then you look at how Mr Freeze was going around with ice skating goons and all the one liners, etc. That was ridiculous.

Kane Knight

05-30-2007, 04:34 PM

Yeah, Joker's not really camp.

He can be, but not inherrently so.

Kalyx triaD

05-30-2007, 06:57 PM

Most of Batman's villains are interesting in that they can portrayed campy or pretty lethal.

Mr Regal

05-30-2007, 07:04 PM

Joker has always dressed a bit fruity. He has always been completely fucking crazy. Don't think camp comes into it with the Joker.

Arnies Freeze was a complete joke.

Ben Rodrigues

05-31-2007, 10:46 AM

Yes.

Again going back to Nicholson, he was burned in a vast of acid. That's what disfigured him and had him wear make up. It was well explained and well done. But then you look at how Mr Freeze was going around with ice skating goons and all the one liners, etc. That was ridiculous.

Actually that transformation was based off the comic "The Killing Joke" where the acid changed his skin colour and fried his brain which made him insane - then the plastic surgeon fucked up the surgery and gave him a permanent grin. Unless when you mean makeup, you mean the flesh coloured one... then disregard.

Keaton is the only really good Batman in my opinion, that's why i only really enjoyed Batman 1989 and Batman Returns. Bale is not bad - don't like how he intentionally makes his voice husky when he's dressed as Batman but yeah.

Kane Knight

05-31-2007, 08:52 PM

You don't like that he actually tries not to sound like Billionaire Bruce Wayne when he's Batman?

Ben Rodrigues

06-01-2007, 11:36 AM

Keaton didn't change his voice and it came off cool.

mitchables

06-02-2007, 07:30 AM

Uh, but Kevin Conroy did, and it came off even cooler. Eat my shorts, Rodrigues.

mitchables

06-02-2007, 07:31 AM

And Keaton did change his voice, just less noticeably and less menacingly than Bale. And thus less awesomely. Keaton's Batman was a short, weak-chinned pussycat. He whispered all the damn time. If you are trying to use fear as a weapon, you don't whisper at people. You gruff the fuck out of them.

KingofOldSchool

06-02-2007, 09:03 AM

Here is a random fantasy...if they did put Catwoman in the new Batman series it should be played by Natalie Portman.

Uh huh. :drool:

Kane Knight

06-02-2007, 09:13 AM

Keaton didn't change his voice and it came off cool.

Yes he did. :|

Ben Rodrigues

06-02-2007, 11:00 AM

I'm watching the final showdown in the clocktower with the Joker... his voice is exactly the same - just slightly slower delivery. "Excuse me. You ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" and the rest of the conversation between the two.

Ben Rodrigues

06-02-2007, 11:01 AM

On second thought. Fuck it. I'm just a Keaton mark.

Kane Knight

06-02-2007, 11:06 AM

You mean the tower scene where he's revealing he's Bruce Wayne? Good example. :roll:

Ben Rodrigues

06-02-2007, 11:27 AM

You mean the tower scene where he's revealing he's Bruce Wayne? Good example. :roll:

Lol, I admitted my bias - leave me alone you.

Kane Knight

06-02-2007, 12:09 PM

There's bias, and there's stupidity. For example, I'm an Extreme fan, but I don't pretend they didn't spend the 80s doing Hair Metal.

Jeritron

06-02-2007, 03:34 PM

He did change his voice. However he didn't change it as much. That's the difference. Bale really altered his, whereas Keatons is just more quiet and hides emotion. I like them both.
Theres always the arguments about who's better Keaton or Bale. I don't see why it matters. I'm glad we've had both.
Keaton was excellent. Complains about how he played Bruce Wayne are not founded because thats the screenwriters, not him. He played what he was told to play excellently, and thats a shy quirky billionaire.
As Batman, he acted great, he just didn't ask much. Once again, not his fault he didn't write the script.
His size and chin isn't his fault, he did a great job regardless. He wasn't THAT small, and he did have great manerisms and acting in that 200lb suit. He also had perfect eyes, mouth and voice.

Bale was excellent as well. He really embodied the Bruce Wayne side better. However the script went more into his character and gave him more time. He had more of a chance to play the "correct" Wayne/Batman. He also had material in his role that fans are more fond of.
I like Bale as playboy Wayne. The only complaint is that at times his acting is wooden and fake. And it's at times when it shouldn't be. Sometimes he slips into the American Psycho role, and talks that way. Which sucks. Especially when he talks to Rachel. He's a great actor and a great Wayne/Batman, but he lacks real emotion.

Kane Knight

06-02-2007, 04:39 PM

I don't particularly think either is dominantly better, I just thought the argument was gay. :D

Myself, I'll take Bale, but it's not like he blows away the competition Well, he blows away Clooney, but that's because he was such a poor fit for the role.

Smitty

06-14-2007, 06:42 PM

New Batsuit:
http://www.comingsoon.net/images/newbatmansuit.jpg

The Joker's whip:
http://www.latinoreview.com/images/user/clowncarspy.jpg

Blitz

06-14-2007, 06:56 PM

Hmmmm, the new suit looks a little too armored. But I still like it.

Kane Knight

06-14-2007, 07:03 PM

Batsuit dpoesn't show for me.

Reavant

06-14-2007, 08:29 PM

Here is a random fantasy...if they did put Catwoman in the new Batman series it should be played by Natalie Portman.

Uh huh. :drool:ehhhh id rather see a jessica alba/beil or a blonde model that can read lines play that roll rather than natalie

Reavant

06-14-2007, 08:29 PM

Batsuit dpoesn't show for me.

Destor

06-14-2007, 08:37 PM

Batsuit dpoesn't show for me.

Jura

06-14-2007, 08:39 PM

It shows up after u go to the link which is weird.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6467/newbatmansuitfv9.jpg

Kane Knight

06-14-2007, 08:44 PM

Too armory, yeah, but it makes sense. The new Batman is more spec ops than super hero.

Reavant

06-14-2007, 08:48 PM

it will grow on me

Destor

06-14-2007, 09:04 PM

bad ass

Kalyx triaD

06-14-2007, 09:24 PM

I'm scared of him... AWESOME! Love to see that new bike of his.

KingofOldSchool

06-14-2007, 10:10 PM

ehhhh id rather see a jessica alba/beil or a blonde model that can read lines play that roll rather than natalie

Natalie is a better actress than Jessica Alba and Jessica Biel.

Destor

06-14-2007, 10:18 PM

Yes

Reavant

06-15-2007, 01:03 AM

Natalie is a better actress than Jessica Alba and Jessica Biel.she would be a terrible cat woman tho... shes seems to vulnerable... even in the movies where she kicked ass like star wars or vandeta she looked wrong doing it.

Boondock Saint

06-15-2007, 01:14 AM

bad ass

Jeritron

06-15-2007, 02:02 AM

different, but cool. I hope they show the changeover but if not that's fine. It does seem a bit bright but it's probably the lighting to show off the detail and it'll be darker. These are more observations than criticisms.

I'm a fan of the slimmed neck. The only part of the other costume I didn't like was the bulky neck and helmet like cowl. This seems much better and will allow for neck movement (which we've never seen in a Batman movie)

I give it a thumbs up. He looks like, well, a dark knight.

Jeritron

06-15-2007, 02:03 AM

p.s. I saw the new Joker pic (the distorted one through glass) and its great. I didn't like the first pic but this one shows what his hair and full look is like and I'm happy to say I was wrong and its a good look.

06-16-2007, 06:44 PM

Here's the Joker's Clown Car
http://filmwad.com/fw_images/clowncarspy.jpg
http://www.filmwad.com/the-joker-s-car-revealed-for-i-dark-knight-i-is-it-okay-to-call-it-the-jokermobile--2956-p.html

Mr. Monday Morning

06-17-2007, 05:06 AM

That's a manip, not real

Fryza

06-17-2007, 05:47 PM

you will only get the Joker so realistic to a point. You cannot totally rework the character where he is losing the traits that make him so recognizable. Hopefully the performance will be menacing enough for you not to feel like it is campy.

Not really, Joker would be 'cartoonish', but you could easily make him realistic.

First off, he's a solipsist. The reason he believes it's okay to do wrong is because none of this is 'real'. The only real thing is him (and Batman), the rest is just a game.

Secondly, he's a sociopath and criminally insane, possibly completely psychotic. In the comics, it's been hinted he's not insane at all, and other comics say he's fully out of his gord.

The best way to make the Joker more realistic is to tone done the bright colors, have him darker in color (deep purple and greens. Leave the white and red of course).

Bump the movie to 'R', and have him actually MURDER people on screen (some implied is fine). The one thing that I disliked about Nicholson's Joker was how campy it was. He did murder someone, but he was massively gimmicked. Make this Joker have the gimmicks, but actually kill people with guns.

Next, make him intelligent, but break out into fits of laughter randomly. Keep him off kilter, almost in lack of control of his own thoughts.

Also, I have only read the last pages, but is Murphy's Scarecrow returning? I think a Scarecrow/Joker team-up would be ideal, and would help benefit Joker. Eventually when they turn on each other, Scarecrow uses the fear gas and it doesn't effect Joker at all. I believe that had been done in the comics, and it would establish the fact Joker is a very threatening man.

Also, I want to see a corn maze of death <3.

Edit: Also, make the Joker the a creepy sonofabitch. Much like Scarecrow from Begins, make Joker someone that gives you the chills on screen, and that lasts after the movie. Not someone you see and laugh at.