The Dark Knight

[Confused]

Loved his greeting of the newly appointed commisioner Gordon while he was in the interrogation room. The darkness, the lamp just about illuminating his face. "Good evening, Commisioner"

Heath Ledger was great for the role. I'd high hopes from the release of the first picture of him in his Joker make-up. God help anyone following that in any future reboot of the Batman franchise.

It'll be interesting to see how the skirt around his abscence in the next movie. I'm pretty sure he'd have had a cameo at least. David Goyer even went on record as saying the original intention was that the Joker goes on trial in the third movie and that he's the one who scars Dent in the courtroom.

I trust Christopher Nolan enough to be sure of putting money on it that we won't be seeing a re-cast Joker in the third film.

That'll be a very wise choice.

[Bo]

Quite simply,

That was a masterpiece.

Here's a Pencil, now you see it................


The whole theater I was in LOL'ed hysterically when that happened.

[ClockShot]

Poor William Fichtner. Here's a guy who had some great leading movies roles, Black Hawk Down certainly being one of them. Then goes to a couple tv shows that either got cancelled within the first episode or the first season. And now, he's the Bank Manager who gets whacked in the first 5 minutes.

Oh, didn't know that was Spawn AKA Michael Jai White who played gamble.

[Evil Vito]

The whole theater I was in LOL'ed hysterically when that happened.

<font color=goldenrod>Ditto.

AMAZING movie...probably going to see it again.</font>

[YOUR Hero]

You guys realize that there is a possibility that there are scenes that were filmed in this movie that didn't make it in this movie that could be used in the 3rd, right? You know, scenes involving The Joker... Hmmm?

[Crimson]

Just saw it last night, pretty good flick. Joker's psychological mind game scenes were the best part for me.

[NeanderCarl]

Saw it today. Really enjoyed it, but it didn't live up to my lofty expectations after all the hyperbole in fan reviews, calling it the greatest film ever made et al.

Ledger was a great Joker though. He could have carried the whole film as the main villain, this film was quite the waste of Two Face. Could have explored that a little further in the next installment.

[Requiem]

Dark Knight Makes Record-Breaking $300M in 10 Days

By Stephen M. Silverman
Originally posted <abbr class="updated">Sunday July 27, 2008 06:50 PM EDT</abbr>
<table class="image_table image_clear" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><caption align="bottom">Heath Ledger as the Joker Photo by: Warner Bros</caption><tbody><tr><td>http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/news/080804/heath_ledger.jpg</td></tr></tbody></table> No argument: The Dark Knight is Hollywood's brightest light.

The Batman adventure, starring Christian Bale and Heath Ledger (http://www.people.com/people/heath_ledger), shattered another box-office benchmark this weekend – reaching beyond the $300 million mark in a mere 10 days.

The movie grossed $75.6 million in its second weekend in theaters, bringing its North American box-office total to $314,245,000, Warner Bros. head of distribution Dan Fellman tells the Associated Press.

The number breaks the record established by 2006's Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, which hit $300 million after 16 days. <!-- jump -->

Fellman says Dark Knight could conceivably reach the $400-million mark in about 18 days – placing it ahead of Shrek 2's 43-day record in 2004.

Hold on to your life preservers – The Dark Knight might also surpass 1997's Titanic as the highest-grossing film in U.S. history, according to Paul Dergarabedian, president of Media By Numbers. That sinking-ship saga, starring Leonardo Di Caprio (http://www.people.com/people/leonardo_dicaprio), made $600,788,188 domestically.

Rounding out this weekend's top five at the box office were Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly in Step Brothers, with an estimated $30 million; Meryl Streep in Mamma Mia!, $17.9 million; David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson in The X-Files: I Want to Believe, $10.2 million; and Brendan Fraser in Journey to the Center of the Earth, $9.4 million.

[RoXer]

So, who is Atlas?

[RoXer]

Also, Batman made a device that can turn the entire city's cellphones into microphones/sonar in 10 minutes.

Whats up.

[NeanderCarl]

I do enjoy Nolan's take on Batman. However, as far as the look and feel of Gotham City itself (sets, backdrops etc.), I think Burton had that down better.

[Lock Jaw]

I think Gotham actually looked better in Batman Begins, personally. In Begins it felt like Gotham. In Dark Knight it mainly just felt like a large city.

I also missed the Wayne Manor and Bat-cave sets.

[Reavant]

it felt like chicago.... considering they did nothing to disguise the city when they filmed it

[Reavant]

i waseven able to recognize buildings they were in when they were filming indoors

[Ninti the Mad]

CMON LETS BEAT THE TITANIC

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It's being rolled out round the rest of the world now - could easily hit $1bn, which would be pretty crazy

[Skippord]

Saw it again today

loved it more this time

[Jeritron]

I think Gotham actually looked better in Batman Begins, personally. In Begins it felt like Gotham. In Dark Knight it mainly just felt like a large city.

I also missed the Wayne Manor and Bat-cave sets.

I think this is part of a stylistic approach. The streets are cleaning up, and most of it's set at daytime, because Batman has scared criminals away from acting at night.
The parts at night feel like Gotham. I think this is because it's ALWAYS nighttime in other interpretations of Gotham.

[Rammsteinmad]

Saw it today. Fucking loved it! This is the only film where I've ever let myself get caught up in the hype, but it was totally worth it!

I think one reason it worked so well is because all the characters are so well acted... like, the Joker is really hateable, Batman we wanna help, we all feel sad for Dent etc etc. It all worked.

[Crimson]

The writing was kinda bland with the exception of the Joker or Dent. Like besides those 2 characters I coulda cared less for anyone else. As good as the movie was it coulda been better .

[NeanderCarl]

Batman/Wayne took a real backseat in this one... one of Keaton's gripes with the Burton films.

But the Two Face strand should have ended in the hospital with Gordon when he revealed his fucked up face, and his turning evil/feud with Batman saved for the next movie, given more time and depth. One review I read noted, rightly, that hardly any time is given to Dent's transmogrification into a twisted loon. He burns his face, next thing you know, he's lost all his morals.

[El Fangel]

Have to agree Carl, they didnt elaborate storyline-wise too much on Dent/Two-Face, I hope he didnt actually die, he played an interesting albeit short role in this interpretation.

[Kalyx triaD]

The movie almost starred Harvey Dent...

[ron the dial]

Batman/Wayne took a real backseat in this one... one of Keaton's gripes with the Burton films.

But the Two Face strand should have ended in the hospital with Gordon when he revealed his fucked up face, and his turning evil/feud with Batman saved for the next movie, given more time and depth. One review I read noted, rightly, that hardly any time is given to Dent's transmogrification into a twisted loon. He burns his face, next thing you know, he's lost all his morals.
a lot of this has to do with what he lost and how he lost it. and then add on top of that the killer of his woman coming into his hospital room and talking to him about the addition of chaos as fairness, and you can understand how easily he could snap. while i agree that they could have held off on the climax of the story, it would have taken a lot away to wait a few years for it. and who's to say that two face is done? is that confirmed?

[Lock Jaw]

Two-Face is done. Dead is dead. Batman only survived that fall because of his suit.

Harvey Dent didn't just suddenly turn evil. The pressure and everything was weighing on him the whole movie even if he didn't want to show it. Then his fiancee gets killed while he listens to her and lies to her, he gets deformed, Joker pushes and prods him...

Everything regarding Harvey Dent was excellent, and in no way should he be brought back.

If you want to see a sudden turn from good to evil go watch Star Wars Episode III

[Dave Youell]

Well said LJ

[Tornado]

Im off to see this tonight, been the only day i've been able to get tickets.

[Jeritron]

Anyone who thinks Two Face was wasted, sudden, or condensed wasn't paying attention to what was going on substance wise the whole movie, nor do they know much about film.
No offense.
The entire movies story arch and emotional build/climax was centered around Harvey Dent.
Joker was an absolute, introduced the same way he's left. His presence only gives an effect and drives the plot, which enhances and explores the characters of Bruce Wayne, Rachel, Gordon, Alfred and the rest.
However, the main focus in terms of development and story was Harvey Dent.

[Reavant]

Batman/Wayne took a real backseat in this one... one of Keaton's gripes with the Burton films.

But the Two Face strand should have ended in the hospital with Gordon when he revealed his fucked up face, and his turning evil/feud with Batman saved for the next movie, given more time and depth. One review I read noted, rightly, that hardly any time is given to Dent's transmogrification into a twisted loon. He burns his face, next thing you know, he's lost all his morals.

Have to agree Carl, they didnt elaborate storyline-wise too much on Dent/Two-Face, I hope he didnt actually die, he played an interesting albeit short role in this interpretation.

They didnt make Dent/Two Face out to be a psycho who loses his morals... He lost the love of his life and lost it. He was still himself but was out for revenge. What dont you guys get about this?

[Reavant]

Just saw it again... didnt realise this the first time but Joker Lied about where he put Harvy and Rachel. Batman went to get Rachel and even told the cops he was, and Gordon gave the cos the address for where Harvy supposedly was, but when Batan got to Harvy, he had an "oh shit" look on his face and when gordon got to the building where Rachel was it exploded.

Found that interesting.

[Tornado]

Wow. Loved this. Can't really elaborate as i've just got in from it, but it was stunning.

[NeanderCarl]

Anyone who thinks Two Face was wasted, sudden, or condensed wasn't paying attention to what was going on substance wise the whole movie, nor do they know much about film.


I wish people would stop making such arrogant blanket statements on here. The fact I studied media and film at degree level should suggest I don't not "know much about film".

I wasn't dissing the character of Two Face/Dent, just thought that as integral as Dent was in this film, he could have equally been the axis of the third film fully evolved into the Two Face character. It was almost an anti-climax that, after establishing the Dent character throughout the film, Two Face should come and go in pretty much the last quarter. TDK could have been all Dent/the seeds of Two Face, and then the rampage of Two Face could have carried a large part of the 3rd film, if they make one.

Of course, this is assuming there will be a 3rd and if that isn't set in stone, then it's fair enough that they should just go all the way with him in TDK.

[Lock Jaw]

The thing is, if they did that and saved Two-Face for the next film it would have been totally like splitting one movie into two. Two-Face was a direct result of The Joker and his actions and should be dealt with in the movie that had The Joker, not in his own. It worked perfectly.

[McLegend]

Yeah that actually really good thinking there. The 2nd movie always has to stand on it's own.

Otherwise you get Dead Man's chest which is just a set up to the 3rd movie. That is no fun.

[CSL]

Hate to be repetitive but Heath Ledger was absoloutely flawless in this movie

[El Fangel]

They didnt make Dent/Two Face out to be a psycho who loses his morals... He lost the love of his life and lost it. He was still himself but was out for revenge. What dont you guys get about this?

I am merely stating that one of the most interesting/cool characters in the Batman saga is only likely to be in one movie.

[Jeritron]

The thing that got to him most was that the corruption and wrong doing in the city is what cost him to lose what he loved most, and he wanted revenge. Gordon's men were corrupt, and Batman's plans set it all in action. He resented them and himself for taking a stand.

[RoXer]

I wish people would stop making such arrogant statements on here.


I studied media and film at degree level

[Jeritron]

^ Lol. Honestly, I'll take your word for it even though you could be making it up. Doesn't automaticly qualify your understanding of the story arch of the movie.
I could drop the fact that I major in film studies and screenwriting, but I'd sound like a pompous asshole and it doesnt' really matter.
Any joe off the street can make their own assertions and possibly be more correct or agreeable than someone who wen to USC film. It's a peice of paper. Some of the best directors, filmmakers, or film critics int he fuckin world never went to film school, so lets not be arrogant pricks.

It's based on a comic, that doesn't mean it is one.
Venom in Spiderman 3 would be a prime example of what you're talking about, but if you feel it's present here I just can't agree with you and am not sure if we're seeing the same movie.

[Jeritron]

Michael Corleone is prob the best transformation of character from light to dark. Harvey Dent isn't #2, but he's up there.

[thedamndest]

Jeritron, do you mean Venom is a prime example of a character that the seeds were sown and was rushed into the climax?

[NeanderCarl]

Re: Roxer.

Way to misquote me completely. By the way, neither having an education nor providing a basis for an opinion could reasonably be considered "arrogant".

Well.... except maybe in the eyes of those who have neither. Mate.

[Jeritron]

Jeritron, do you mean Venom is a prime example of a character that the seeds were sown and was rushed into the climax?

I say hes a prime example of a character who was rushed, wasted, and underbuilt.
The oppostie of Harvey Dent

[NeanderCarl]

It's a peice of paper. Some of the best directors, filmmakers, or film critics int he fuckin world never went to film school, so lets not be arrogant pricks.


You said that anyone of that opinion cannot know much about film. I am of that opinion, yet I profess that I am not completely clueless about film due to my academic background studying that subject. Wasn't a boast, wasn't arrogant, didn't profess myself an expert or more knowledgable than others, just disregarded your own dismissive statement.

[Jeritron]

I just don't understand how you can think that climax would be better fit for another film when it was the basis of the one at hand. If it didn't occur in TDK, the movie wouldn't have been complete.
I thought it was executed amazingly and wouldn't have been better reserved for another movie, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[NeanderCarl]

All I said was with the buildup of Dent throughout the film, excellently executed, the actual climax of his storyline seemed rushed in comparison or at least did not live up to its full potential.

If you seperate the two characters as seperate entities, this was Dent's film, and Two Face was a bit part in comparison. Why could they not have satisfied the Dent storyline in this film with him becoming Two Face, and whet the audience's appetite for the next chapter which would have prominantly featured Two Face? Would it really have ruined the film if Nolan hadn't shot his load all in one movie? Just like we knew at the end of Begins that Joker was looming on the horizon, this film could have resolved the Joker issue and left the shadow of Two Face hanging over Gotham ready for the next installment.

This isn't a knock as such, but there was nothing hinted at for the future, unlike the last one. Not saying each film should end on a cliffhanger but there seems little chance that there won't be a third, Nolan or not. Something to draw the audience back, a couple of loose ends left untied, wouldn't have detracted from the appeal of the movie as a stand-alone viewing whatsoever to me.

[Jeritron]

That would have been a common popcorn film's approach looking to keep people busy for 2 hours and not do anything meaningful other than secure a teaser for the next installment, but this instead resolved his story as the climax of the entire film, since it built to it.
I feel leaving it as a cliffhanger would have diminished this film, and left it empty without a real emotional climax or closure to Dent's story.
It also would have left the next film shallow.

The entire point of the Harvey Dent fall from grace was that it happened briefly and was damaging to the entire city's morale, thus the need to conceal it.
In the next film, he would have had to impact the whole city and it would have diminished his character as we saw him become just another freak. It also would have taken away from the characters of Gordon and Batman. The film would have still worked, but it wouldn't be as great as it is. It was his movie, that's why he closes the film and the Joker doesn't. Saving him for the next flick would make this film just a great comic book movie and the next film likely the same.
Instead, they created a full character arch and meaningful story that has garnered the emotional impact and response that it has.

The most interesting and powerful part of Harvey Dent is and always has been his story as a great man and his initial origin story and fall from grace. His revenge and the shock of his turn on friends Batman and Gordon are the only powerful elements of his character. After that, he's one dimensional and becomes a regular bad guy on the shelf of the rogues gallery.
Saving Two Face for part 3 would have been a poor choice, and bringing him back would be even worse. That's because theres simply no more to tell, and if you left him for part 3 after the hospital bed scene, there wouldn't be much to tell either. It would be brief and wouldn't fit into the story the way it did here.
He's a symbol for the whole theme of the film in fact, it all stems from the line "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
This is told through Harvey Dent, and we see it's effects on the protagonist Batman in the end.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

I saw it tonight. It was pretty good. I didn't really see the point of bringing back the Scarecrow for 30 seconds, even though at the end of Begins it was announced he was still at large, but anyways.

I do think the film was too dark for a 12a rating, as every muppet of a parent with a 7-8 year old child will take them along to see it. But that is more to do with the BFCC and their lack of a backbone and a half-assed classification.

Oh, and film studies is not exactly "academic." :p

[Destor]

Carl should work for Hollywood. They love his kind of thinking.

[Jeritron]

I felt the Scarecrow scene was brief and throw away from most stanpoints. The reason I liked it, not only because I thought it was a cool scene, but because it creates that feeling that they're picking up right where the last movie left off.
We get introduced to The Joker, who's going to be the threat in the film.
But then we see Gordon at the bat signal and then Scarecrow up to no good. Finally, we see Batman show up in all his glory in the same suit as the first, fighting crime the same way, as if we've really missed nothing of any importance.
I think the whole purpose of that sequence was to create the whole, this is only a few weeks or months later feel.

[Jeritron]

Carl should work for Hollywood. They love his kind of thinking.

:y:


Also of note, the hollywood way of thinking, as we all know sucks, is what landed Batman in the rut it found itself in. The board literally made an executive decision to can Burton for Schumacher because they "weren't selling enough happy meals."

At one point, Burton was actually asked by a higher up what that stuff coming out of Penguin's mouth was, and remarked "that doesn't go well with happy meals."


I have no doubt whatsoever that once Nolan and Bale depart, which will be after the next movie if not after this one, Hollywood will destroy the franchise.
They'll go less serious and dark. They may make an effort to try and imitate these ones, but ultimately will make all the wrong moves for all the wrong reasons.
We'll see outlandish villains, out of this world bat gadgets and vehicles, and *shutter* Robin.

[Destor]

For real

[NeanderCarl]

I wasn't thinking "save Two Face for another movie!!! it'll make SHITLOADS of cash and be AWESUM!!!"... rather, there was more of the Two Face story that could have been explored, and it's just a shame we didn't get to see it because it could have been a strong story for another day in its own right.

One thing I've learned though is that it's pointless arguing with fanboys because if you dare express an opinion slightly slanted away from "this film is 10/10, best film ever made in any genre ever, Nolan for Pope, Bale for President" then it will just be belittled and brushed aside, so I've said my piece. Not that it was right or wrong.

[YOUR Hero]

I agree with Jeriton's views on Dent.

[Xero]

Just want to say I agree with CAC. The Two Face character itself felt rushed at the end.

It's like saying Joker should be kept out of the next movie(s) because he was such a large part of this movie (Ledger hoopla aside). They clearly left it open-ended on his part and I feel they should have done the same with Two Face.

If they had a bit more development with Dent AS Two Face, I don't think I would have minded. I think I would have been satisfied with his role had he become Two Face around the mid-point of the movie. But that would have left out parts of Dent's development, which is why I feel Dent/Two-Face is a two movie character.

And remember, this is from someone who doesn't know much about the Batman mythos, just your average Batman movie-goer.

[Reavant]

I felt the Scarecrow scene was brief and throw away from most stanpoints. The reason I liked it, not only because I thought it was a cool scene, but because it creates that feeling that they're picking up right where the last movie left off.
We get introduced to The Joker, who's going to be the threat in the film.
But then we see Gordon at the bat signal and then Scarecrow up to no good. Finally, we see Batman show up in all his glory in the same suit as the first, fighting crime the same way, as if we've really missed nothing of any importance.
I think the whole purpose of that sequence was to create the whole, this is only a few weeks or months later feel.

I agree. Its cool cuz they even explain the whole thing in the movie with Batman saying that the copycats are out again with guns, and then saying he didnt want to see scare crow out there again. Then the Joker said that a year frm then that the mob was everywhere and noone would cross them.

[Reavant]

One thing I've learned though is that it's pointless arguing with fanboys because if you dare express an opinion slightly slanted away from "this film is 10/10, best film ever made in any genre ever, Nolan for Pope, Bale for President" then it will just be belittled and brushed aside, so I've said my piece. Not that it was right or wrong.

Ok shouldnt "fanboys" be the ones that are yelling for more two face?

Just want to say I agree with CAC. The Two Face character itself felt rushed at the end.

It's like saying Joker should be kept out of the next movie(s) because he was such a large part of this movie (Ledger hoopla aside). They clearly left it open-ended on his part and I feel they should have done the same with Two Face.

If they had a bit more development with Dent AS Two Face, I don't think I would have minded. I think I would have been satisfied with his role had he become Two Face around the mid-point of the movie. But that would have left out parts of Dent's development, which is why I feel Dent/Two-Face is a two movie character.

.

With the way Joker ended the movie, it was clear that he was supposed to be involved in future movies. Think about the story the Joker and Batman could have with the joker trying to corrupt Batman now that all of Gothom hates him. The dialogue that would come from that situation would be cool.

To accomplish the feel and moral of the story in terms of the movie Two-Face needed to die. When it comes down to it, the movie wasnt about two face, it was about Gotham and the hero it needs. If Two Face lived, Gotham would know it, and theyre hope woud be crushed.

Which makes me wonder why Batman would say he killed Dent and all the people Dent killed, because you would think that would hurt the peoples hopes or watever as well, I mean I guess it woud unite them against him and want a legal hero but still.

[Mr. Pierre]

I haven't posted in here since the movie came out, but I have to say that I LOVED it. Saw it 4x already. Anyway, I figure I might as well give an opinion into the whole "Was Two-Faced rushed?" debate.

I have to say that I didn't think it was rushed at all. I feel that by having Two-Face die (after his character did plenty of insane things and not saving him for #3), it really drives home the fact that the Joker won.

The Joker did everything in his power to destroy Gotham, and the only two guys that were hopes for the city (Batman and Dent) are now ruined at the end of the Dark Knight. By having Dent die and Batman be this wanted criminal for taking the wrap, it just shows that the absolute worse has happened to the city, because of how smart and evil the Joker is. The ending was perfect, because for once the villain won completely, and it made a lot of sense.

[Jeritron]

I wasn't thinking "save Two Face for another movie!!! it'll make SHITLOADS of cash and be AWESUM!!!"... rather, there was more of the Two Face story that could have been explored, and it's just a shame we didn't get to see it because it could have been a strong story for another day in its own right.

One thing I've learned though is that it's pointless arguing with fanboys because if you dare express an opinion slightly slanted away from "this film is 10/10, best film ever made in any genre ever, Nolan for Pope, Bale for President" then it will just be belittled and brushed aside, so I've said my piece. Not that it was right or wrong.


I'm a fanboy and my opinion is that it's the best film ever because I think you're dead wrong about an aspect of it?
I just disagree with you, and I'm not a blind fanboy. I see movies for what they are and judge them honestly equally.
For ginstance, I thougth Spiderman 3 sucked and I loved Spiderman 2. I thought X files 2 sucked and I love Xfiles. I thought Batman Begins was great, but that it had it's flaws.
I wasn't even a huge Batman fan before this. Loved the cartoon and the movies growing up and was always familiar with the stuff, but I wasn't into big until I saw this movie. I even had gripes with Batman Begins.

I see the flaws and have honest views on every movie I see whether it be Godfather or Jaws The Revenge.
Has nothing to do what I think of the source material prior. I would sweep over a flaw in my mind just because it's Batman.
I don't deal in absolutes and say, "I like this material or this movie so it's a 10, and I didn't like this so it's a 1". I'm pretty honest and fair.

[Danny Electric]

Who says Dent is dead.

[The Destroyer]

Looked an awful lot like a memorial service for him at the end. Plus he didn't look to be breathing.

Excellent film though, although I'm still not sure if I'd rate it more highly than Batman Begins - just had a different feel to it.

[Danny Electric]

Could have been a mock memorial service, have him locked up in Arkham Asylum. One massive cover-up.

[XL]

TBH my initial thought was that it was a mock memorial in order to cement the fact that Batman had killed Dent (not Two Face) whilst he was still "Gotham's White Knight". The idea being that Gotham still had someone to look up to - someone that "died a hero".

[Reavant]

If they do make a third movie, then I think that they probably will have two-face in it because of Heath Ledger. It was apparent that the Joker was to be a reoccuring role in the future of the films, and since there will be a lot of heat on them if they reast the role, they will most likely not use him, unless theres some cut footage from this movie that they can use in a next.

[Fox]

I haven't posted in here since the movie came out, but I have to say that I LOVED it. Saw it 4x already. Anyway, I figure I might as well give an opinion into the whole "Was Two-Faced rushed?" debate.

I have to say that I didn't think it was rushed at all. I feel that by having Two-Face die (after his character did plenty of insane things and not saving him for #3), it really drives home the fact that the Joker won.

The Joker did everything in his power to destroy Gotham, and the only two guys that were hopes for the city (Batman and Dent) are now ruined at the end of the Dark Knight. By having Dent die and Batman be this wanted criminal for taking the wrap, it just shows that the absolute worse has happened to the city, because of how smart and evil the Joker is. The ending was perfect, because for once the villain won completely, and it made a lot of sense.

I have to disagree with your diagnosis of the movie's end.

The Joker did not win, because for him to win, Batman would have had to break his one rule, which he never did, as he saved Joker from falling to his death at the very end.

Now, it could be suggested that Joker's back-up plan of turning Harvey Dent into a murderer and monster made him the victor, but it is Batman's sacrifice and willingness to do whatever it takes that still makes Joker the loser.

Yes, things will be harder for Batman, as he will be hunted, hated, despised, and wanted dead for his "crimes." But that's fine. The Batman is a vigilante and the people hate him anyways. That's the point of being Batman; that's the center of his strength: the ability to do what needs to be done and let the people despise him.

Gotham won't lose hope; they'll gain resolve. It's like after 9/11, America didn't immediately lose hope at the sight of Terrorism. They grew stronger and bonded together to fight off the evil at their doors, murdering their people. In Gotham, crime, murder and violence are terrorism, and Batman has made himself a part of that.

As a comparison, how do you think Americans would react if they found out that the Bush administration was part of 9/11? THAT would cause hopelessness and despair, panic and chaos. That would be the same thing as finding out that their white knight, their hero Harvey Dent was a murderer.

I don't think the Joker expected for Batman to take the wrap, and thus, he did not win in this film.

[XL]

In addition to the above...

Joker also lost when neither of the boats (Civilians / Covicts) decided to press the button to blow the other up.

It was a show of solidarity / humanity - the opposite of which Joker was expecting.

[Jeritron]

Agree with both Fox and XL. The fact that the movie sparks reaction and discussion of these themes is just another reason why the film is a masterpeice.

[Mr. Pierre]

Actually he killed Dent, so he did break his one rule.

[Lock Jaw]

He also killed Ra's Al Ghul and like a bunch of ninja in the first movie. Using his whole "I won't kill you... but I don't have to save you" line.

[Reavant]

He was stopping Dent from killing gordon and saing his son. He wasnt trying to kill Dent. So although he was responsible for his death, he didnt kill him willingly.

In the first movie he was defending himself in the ninja guild and he saved his entor Ras. Then he simply let Ras die in a situation that was Ras' own doing so he has neer broken his rule in either film

[Dave Youell]

I'm not 100% convinced Dent is dead, you didn't actually see him 'dead' someone could of done something (i.e switched him)

Nolan has yet to offically show a main guy dying, Raas Al Gouhl (sp?) was in that train that exploded, but you never saw a body.

All I'm saying is, it's not totally impossible to think that he may still be alive

[XL]

...especially considering the source material is a comic book.

[XL]

Also, during the debate about Dent's turn into Two Face being too quick I knew there was a scene where his 'holier than thou' character drops a little.

Having re-watched the film (on a really dodgy DVD no less) I now know what scene I was thinking off.

It's just after the attempt on the Mayor's life, Dent takes one of Joker's men (later named as paranoid schziophrenic Shif Thomas) hostage in the ambulance. He screams and shouts at Thomas and "threatens" to kill him (leaving it to "fate") - showing that he is willing to go to more extreme lengths when his loved one is threatened.

Although Thomas' life was never in danger (due to the two headed coin) I don't think it's too far from a character pretending to toy with fate to a character that actually does it - especially after his loved one is killed.

[Kalyx triaD]

I call Thalia Al Ghul and Selina Kyle for Batman-Nolan 3. I have a feeling.

[NeanderCarl]

I call Thalia Al Ghul and Selina Kyle for Batman-Nolan 3. I have a feeling.

I think they will be pressured to include a more marketable, iconic villain in the film... Penguin or Riddler are the most obvious two, though how they'd fit into Nolan's world is the question. Same thing could have been said about the Joker a year ago too, however.

[Jeritron]

Catwoman (Selina Kyle) is pretty iconic, and damn marketable as well, especially giving females their equivalent to Batman.
She's not really a villian per se, so she wouldn't be the antagonist. She'd more likely be a love interest/tweener.

I think Riddler and Catwoman is the most likely scenario.

[loopydate]

I don't think they'll do Catwoman. I know they dropped a hint in TDK, but the stench of Halle Berry's Catwoman is still lingering in the catbox, so I don't think any studio is going to want to touch that character with a ten-foot pole. Riddler or Penguin. Was thinking about Nolan's career up to this point and the actors he's worked with. Got me imagining Joe Pantoliano as the Riddler. And it was a thought I liked.

[Renaissance man]

Michael C. Hall and Daniel Day Lewis for the next movie. think about it

[Requiem]

Also, during the debate about Dent's turn into Two Face being too quick I knew there was a scene where his 'holier than thou' character drops a little.

Having re-watched the film (on a really dodgy DVD no less) I now know what scene I was thinking off.

It's just after the attempt on the Mayor's life, Dent takes one of Joker's men (later named as paranoid schziophrenic Shif Thomas) hostage in the ambulance. He screams and shouts at Thomas and "threatens" to kill him (leaving it to "fate") - showing that he is willing to go to more extreme lengths when his loved one is threatened.

Although Thomas' life was never in danger (due to the two headed coin) I don't think it's too far from a character pretending to toy with fate to a character that actually does it - especially after his loved one is killed.

That ^ :y:

Also, do people not realize that he obviously had the nickname two-face for a reason in the police precincts? Apparently he'd made a reputation for himself that the public didn't get to see, so he could have been a bit more willing to snap than people realize in the first place.

[NeanderCarl]

I don't think they'll do Catwoman. I know they dropped a hint in TDK

They did?

[Requiem]

They did?

When Bruce asks if the new suit could stand up to a dog, he gets a response of "It could stand up to a cat" which I thought was kinda random and out of nowhere.

[NeanderCarl]

I think it was just a bit of self depracation. "Can it stand up to a dog?" "What kind of dog? It could stand up to a cat!".

You might be reading too much into that.

[Fox]

No, it was blatant.

FOX: You'll be lighter, faster, more agile.

(Bruce shoots the spikes off the arm plate.)

FOX: Perhaps you should read the instructions first?

BRUCE: Yeah.

FOX: Now there is a trade off. Separation of the plates makes you more susceptible to knives and gun fire.

BRUCE: Well, we wouldn't want to make things too easy now, would we? How will it hold up against dogs?

FOX: Are we talking rotweillers or chihuahuas?

(Bruce just smiles.)

FOX: Should do fine against cats.


And then it cuts to Bruce and Alfred planning the movement to China. Now, while it was definitely intentionally there as a joke geared towards Catwoman, whether or not its foreshadowing for the third movie is another thing entirely. It could be Nolan's way of saying "Catwoman is a joke, she will not be in my movies," or it could also be a bit of irony as in the third film the new Batsuit does not do fine against "cats."

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

I wonder how Mr Freeze would fit in a Nolan version of Batman, though I just think about the Ice Truck killer from Dexter. Don't know enough about the Mr Freeze character, but I think it might be interesting to see how it would be pulled off.

Anyways, I have the urge to see the film again. I'd like to see it now without being influenced by the hype surrounding Ledgers performance.

[Mayo]

Just saw this last night finally, it was an excellent movie. Lots of action, kept you on the edge of your seat wondering what would happen next, and the morality behind the storyline where people would become savages if they had to choose to survive. The Joker with his interesting social experiments and of course Ledger's performance were amazing.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's some rumor linking Johnny Depp to Riddler. Whatever; Depp in the Batman-Nolan series is gold waiting to manifest. In this same circle of rumors is Angelina Jolie as Catwoman - which I'd totally disagree with. I'd go with Christina Ricci... for some reason.

And just an off-thought; Scarlette Johansson would've been a great Harley Quinn.

[Reavant]

scarlett would be a good catwoman too

[Crimson]

What about Charlize Theron . Johnny Depp in the next Batman as any character would be great.

[NeanderCarl]

Jessica Alba for Catwoman.

[NeanderCarl]

Michael Madsen for the Penguin.

[ron the dial]

i don't know who i'd want for catwoman, but it isn't any of those women.

[NeanderCarl]

Steve Buscemi for The Riddler.

[Requiem]

Johnny Depp as Catwoman.

[Skippord]

Johnny Depp for Catwoman

[Requiem]

You just gave me an eReqtion, Skippord.

[Skippord]

interesting how that happened

[Requiem]

Now that's a BEAVER!!! (Johnny Depp as Catwoman)

[NeanderCarl]

Leslie Nielsen for Calender Man

[NeanderCarl]

Jim Ross for Clayface

[Kalyx triaD]

What about Charlize Theron.

You know what, we have a winner. Her eyes have that cat slant and color that could give the visual message of her identity, and she looks like she could move in a skintight burglary costume. On the costume, I rather it not have the cat ears or anything like that. The claws can stay, if anything but to be the punchline of Fox's comment with a well places claw attack on the Bat. I'm against the whip, perhaps she should use it as a cameo thing but why would a burglar/high-stakes thief need a whip anyway?

[Fox]

You know what, we have a winner. Her eyes have that cat slant and color that could give the visual message of her identity, and she looks like she could move in a skintight burglary costume. On the costume, I rather it not have the cat ears or anything like that. The claws can stay, if anything but to be the punchline of Fox's comment with a well places claw attack on the Bat. I'm against the whip, perhaps she should use it as a cameo thing but why would a burglar/high-stakes thief need a whip anyway?


Yeah, since no one on cinema history has ever used a whip to steal high-stakes items against difficult odds...

http://rebornonline.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/indiana-jones.jpg


Appreciate the name drop though.

[ron the dial]

lucius

[U-Warrior]

You know what, we have a winner. Her eyes have that cat slant and color that could give the visual message of her identity, and she looks like she could move in a skintight burglary costume. On the costume, I rather it not have the cat ears or anything like that. The claws can stay, if anything but to be the punchline of Fox's comment with a well places claw attack on the Bat. I'm against the whip, perhaps she should use it as a cameo thing but why would a burglar/high-stakes thief need a whip anyway?

A whip has a lot more uses in these types of movies than just whipping people.

[Reavant]

Her story coud start off as her being one of the batman copy "cats"! GET IT?!

[Kalyx triaD]

Actually the theme of escalation could very well lead to what would make a women dress up in black and steal from people who'd have her killed. Why just be a thief or a criminal in Gotham City when people are having so much fun getting crazy? So your copycat line has some credit to how she could be done.

[Jeritron]

i don't know who i'd want for catwoman, but it isn't any of those women.

Kate Beckinsale? Because that's my pick. Not just cuz she's hot and sexy as fuck, but she's also perfect for the role of Selina Kyle, and can actually act.

[The Mask]

tony jaa as robin

[ron the dial]

Kate Beckinsale? Because that's my pick. Not just cuz she's hot and sexy as fuck, but she's also perfect for the role of Selina Kyle, and can actually act.
this is the best idea i've heard so far, but i still don't know. why not use some up and coming chick that's relatively unknown? i understand that these movies have been filled with some pretty big name actors so far, but why not?

[RP]

So the Joker was killed by an Olsen Twin. What a cruel twist of fate.

[Reavant]

he prolly tried putting a smile on her face

[NeanderCarl]

Watched Batman Returns earlier. Pfieffer was a great Catwoman!

Maybe a bit too old now, though...

[NeanderCarl]

And the Catwoman in the old TV series was fuckin hot!

[YOUR Hero]

I wonder if Pfieffer would be re cast or if that would be considered taboo because of her working the other franchise. She was quite good however in that role.

[McLegend]

Michelle Pfeiffer is 50 years old so I doubt she would be recast.

[The Mackem]

Saw it today and loved it.

I don't know what has been announced it terms of the next installment but I could imagine it being The Penguin as the next villain.

I can see the next villain being an elected mayor to get rid of Batman to fit in with the end if this movie. I don't think a blatant super villain coming along like The Joker would work within the character development of Batman, it should go with a behind closed doors sneeky villain.

Not knowledgeable on comics as some of the rest of you guys but that's what was planted in my mind and of who I know, The Penguin fitted best.

[Champion of Europa]

I really wanna see Black Mask as the next villain. He has a personal vendetta against Bruce Wayne, and it would add to the theme of Batman being wanted. Black Mask and his goons are after Bruce and the police force is after Batman.

[Fox]

I'd like to see The Riddler and Joker in the next one.

I disagree with people who say that they "shouldn't recast The Joker." I'll be the first guy to say that Heath Ledger did amazing things with that character, but that's what it was. A comic book character, and an entertaining, insane, dynamic character at that. I don't think we should stop ourselves from seeing him in the movies again because of Ledger's death, but we should anticipate the fun that will come with another great actor portraying The Joker (and I trust that Nolan would cast somebody great).

Ledger took it to places nobody expected, and what he did is he built a foundation. Another actor could come along and try to build up off of that foundation. As long as they got the voice and mannerisms down, that actor could take the character where they pleased.

I know I'll be ridiculed for this, but I think Leonardo DiCaprio would make an interesting Joker. He's never had to change his voice and be that insane type of character before, just as Ledger hadn't. He's a fantastic actor so it would be great to see. Johnny Depp would also make a great Joker.

[ozzman6669]

So for the next ones:

Batman - Christian Bale
Joker - Johnny Depp
Two-Face (sure he still alive) - Aaron Eckhart
Catwoman - Kate Bekinsale
Riddler - Johnny Depp would be a good choice here to, maybe get Joaquin Phoenix for a more agressive Riddler.
Penguin (with mob boss/evil mayor story) - James Gandolfini
Bane - Put the mask on Kane and it will be right
Maybe get Harley Quinn to free the joker - Take a cute girl, I don't care who it is!!

Many people seem to like Black Mask but I don't know him enough to choose an actor.

So that's my choice for the next 2 or 3 movies, feel free to debate about my choice!!!

[McLegend]

i highly doubt tahat joker whill be in the next one. there is no way they can rexcazst that role.

[Lock Jaw]

Of course there's a way. They go and say "Let's get a new Joker" and then they get one.

They could go with Grant Morrison's whole idea of The Joker "reinventing" himself every now and then to explain the change. It would also allow the actor to not have to try to copy Heath but to play a different kind of Joker.

[Destor]

This will get shit on but they could do a "copy cat" Joker. Or the Red Hood. :-\

[El Fangel]

Honestly, Johnny Depp is the only person I could trust to pull off a Joker anywheres as amazing as Ledgers.

[The Mackem]

Some of the lines are coming back to me, just remembered

Batman: Let her go

Joker: Poor choice of words...

[Fox]

Honestly, Johnny Depp is the only person I could trust to pull off a Joker anywheres as amazing as Ledgers.

Think about it though.

Before Heath Ledger was cast as The Joker he probably wasn't "that guy" on everyone's mind that could come in and knock the shit out of the park. But he did it. There are hundreds of talented actors who could play the role, and perhaps "that guy" who can do it AFTER Ledger is still unknown to us at this time.

That's why I think it's unfair to say "no one can be recast as The Joker" when the movie is still in fuckin' theaters. Give it a year.

[Confused]

Can't see Nolan re-casting the Joker. His role in the third movie would surely have been a cameo at least.

Catwoman can fuck right off. Robin also. Horrible.

I'd have thought that whatever discussions they've had about a third one, and the villain or villains in particular, will now be based around the Penguin / Riddler as villain. Most likely to my mind.

In saying that though, who'd have thought Batman Begins villains would have been Rhas Al Ghul and Scarecrow! They'll probably throw something up we least expect.

Whatever they do they'll have a hard time topping The Dark Knight in terms of story, action etc.

[Blitz]

Bane - Put the mask on Kane and it will be right
Ugh. No.

[El Fangel]

Think about it though.

Before Heath Ledger was cast as The Joker he probably wasn't "that guy" on everyone's mind that could come in and knock the shit out of the park. But he did it. There are hundreds of talented actors who could play the role, and perhaps "that guy" who can do it AFTER Ledger is still unknown to us at this time.

That's why I think it's unfair to say "no one can be recast as The Joker" when the movie is still in fuckin' theaters. Give it a year.

I am not saying that someone besides Depp couldnt do a batshit insane good Joker.

I am saying I am sure Depp could, which is why I would cast him.

[D Mac]

Finally saw it. Awesome.

[El Fangel]

It is, isnt it.

[D Mac]

I don't think I've ever had a movie that had me on the edge of my seat until now.

[Requiem]

I opened the "Things that turn you off in porn" thread in another tab, as well as this one. And when I read Diesel Mac's post I thought I was in the porn thread.

[El Fangel]

LOL

[El Fangel]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/dylhole/1210212003769.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

This is hilarious:

http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994%3ABlogPost%3A355506

[Kalyx triaD]

That's still better than Batman & Robin.

Speaking of the Boy Wonder...

IGN has this article talking about how Robin could be adapted into the Nolan-verse. They were on the money until they suggested a 14-16yo Robin. That's much too young, but otherwise it was a good read. My thoughts on Robin in the Nolan-verse? Glad you asked.

- He's gotta be 16-18, model him after Batman Beyond's Terry McGuinnes, and for the sake of the mythology - choose Dick Grayson (called Richard Grayson in film).
- Dump the circus shit, its just not gonna fly. This Robin should merge elements of Dick, Tim, Jason, and Terry; tossing out the silly funny-books stuff and keeping what works for this series. I'm thinking streetwise kid in the middle ground between participating in Gotham's underworld, or fighting it.
- His parents should die in the pettiest way imaginable, a true tragedy at the hands of some thugs (Tony Zucco, Joker Copy-Cats?). In some way, Batman should be responsible however inadvertent. We can have Richard blame Batman; their relationship should open with tension.
- As to why Bruce takes in the kid... Perhaps Bruce learns that Richard lost it all along with his parents during Batman's battle with some badguys. The least he could do is take him in for a while. It should be emphasized that Bruce doesn't want Richard around forever; at this point he'd believe people close to him aren't that safe.
- Perhaps ironically Richard makes the decision to take on crime, just like Batman, but he comes up with the thought without Bruce's influence. Whatever the case, Bruce has to train Richard very much like Ras trained him. The similarities should be eerily similar, making Bruce wonder if he ended up like Ras after all.
- Bruce should initially keep Richard out of action. He's a 'killer outlaw' now, so his rooftop visitations aren't happening anymore. But with a messenger, a carrier pigeon kind of helper... a Robin if you will, he could communicate with Gordon without risking his own image (or Gordon's). Hell, have Robin avoid any kind of action - keep it all Batman. As a crime fighter, Robin should have a minimal role... a scout or something like that.
- The loud colors of the classic suit, and even the updated red post-Crisis suit, won't work. If Bruce has anything to say about it he'll be in a black combat suit (provided by Fox ofcourse). The convo scenes regarding the suit with Fox - as always - could be where some fun lines could creep in:

Bruce: I need another suit... for a friend.
Fox: ...A friend?
Bruce: A younger friend.
Fox: Never saw you having co-workers alongside yourself, Mr. Wayne-
Bruce: He won't be alongside me. He's something of an informer... like a carrier pigeon.
Fox: A Robin.
Bruce: What?
Fox(Smile): Robin's were used back in those days, not pigeon's Mr. Wayne.
Bruce(Smirk): Fair enough.
Fox: There's been equipment built for scouting and reconnaissance blah blah smart talk blah blah that boy's a wonder blah blah.

You get the idea.

The suit shouldn't have the bare arms thing, he should all covered. The only thing I'm hung up on is whether he should have the face mask, some kind of helmet thing like Batman, or nothing at all. Being trained by Bruce, he'll have the ninja scallops on his wrist as well, but ditch the cape. Scouts don't need capes.

That's a Robin I'd dig onscreen.

[Fox]

I liked everything up to the costume changes.

But with the way The Dark Knight ended, I just don't see them going for Robin in the third one, or at all. The next one is going to be even bigger than TDK. I can already see a 20 minute chase sequence: Gotham Police/SWAT/National Guard vs. Batman.

I'd also like to see The Riddler in there, and have the climax of the film take place inside of a giant maze in an old amusement park, rigged with traps and crazy shit.

[Kalyx triaD]

A maze like that episode of...

The Adventures of Batman & Robin?

Oh!

[U-Warrior]

Has to be the riddler. You could do more with him than any other villain yet remaining.

I love Black Mask, but I don't think he would work by himself. Besides, no one but comic geeks like me know who he is.

[Champion of Europa]

Has to be the riddler. You could do more with him than any other villain yet remaining.

I love Black Mask, but I don't think he would work by himself. Besides, no one but comic geeks like me know who he is.

I think that's part of the appeal. They are free to really do their own thing with the interpretation. They can really do something new.

[Lock Jaw]

Ra's Al Ghul wasn't really well known by non-comic fans either.

[Xero]

Has to be the riddler. You could do more with him than any other villain yet remaining.

I love Black Mask, but I don't think he would work by himself. Besides, no one but comic geeks like me know who he is.

Honestly, how many non-comic geeks had heard about Scarecrow before the first movie?

At this point Batman is selling on the fact that it's done by Nolan and, well, it's Batman. They could use any character ever, and even create a new one (NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD DO THAT) and I would have faith in Nolan doing something spectacular with it.

[Hanso Amore]

I love Two Face historically, and while I would love him in the 3rd, I think he is well done in this film.

I don't think he is rushed at all. I think that he is a NEW Two face, and most people think of their pre-conceived portrayals.

This Two Face is not a Super Villain. He is Harvey Dent. Not even really an alter ego, just a nickname he already had.

Dent was to be the Hero that people can follow, the public figure, and Batman saw him as a way to end his work. Wayne knew he could never be with Dawes until Batman was gone, and Dent was his ticket to that goal. Dent could lead the people how Batman couldnt.

But after Dawes Death, he snaps, and all they were working for was lost. He kills those who he feels are responsible for Rachel's death (The Corrupt Cops, and Gordon, who he blames for trusting corrupt cops, despite his constant pleas). His deeds are not from evil, but revenge.

What role could he really play in the 3rd? If he comes back as an anti-batman villain, they completely change his character and what he meant to TDK. I also see no need for an entire 3rd movie arc about his continued pursuit of revenge against Gordon.

I like where the movie ends.

The Joker did all he could to ruin what Dent/Batman were trying to do. And while he was able to corrupt Dent, Batman has taken the blame, and saved the city. And by Dent dying, he still can serve as the White Knight the city needed.

So all is well. Batman still is not the hero of the people, but he doesnt not want to be that. He is their Dark Knight. If Dent comes back, the entire ending of this movie becomes worthless.

[The Mackem]

Am I the only one that can see the third being a villain helping the City to hunt down Batman while at the same time being a corrupt official type?

Seem to be an easy/logical way to go. Having said that, probably shit compared to how good TDK's plot was.

[Hanso Amore]

That makes sense Mackem.

Maybe someone who has an agenda against Batman/Bruce Wayne, is there to avenge Dent, stop batman, but behind the scenes is robbing the city blind/extorting control.

I just dont know who they could use (Obviously any known villain will need to be very altered to fit this new vision, as a Riddler or Penguin kind of sucks on paper)

Who reads the Graphic novels? Who are the villains there? What are they like?

[NeanderCarl]

Am I the only one that can see the third being a villain helping the City to hunt down Batman while at the same time being a corrupt official type?

Seem to be an easy/logical way to go. Having said that, probably shit compared to how good TDK's plot was.

Isn't that the Riddler's modern persona? A criminal who actually helps the police.

A la Dexter...

[Lock Jaw]

Riddler is currently a private detective who works on the side of good, but plays to the media and makes money from it and all that. But so far he hasn't really shown that he is still a criminal.

[NeanderCarl]

Bit of creative merging, and there ya go...

[Hanso Amore]

Dont know if this is real, I think its too soon, so it is probably fan art. But Damn, I like it.

http://i35.tinypic.com/a44mci.jpg

Someone made a post in a movie forum I go to about the Villain being the city in the 3rd film, it was something like...

In Begins he fights to save the city's lives, in the 2nd he fights for the souls of the city, and in the 3rd he will fight the very people he protects.

Could make sense. He is now thought of as a Villain, and to go with The Mackem, maybe the Riddler is a genius(always) obsessed with Batman, and ascends to power in the city trying to catch him.

[XL]

Guess it makes sense that someone who is hellbent on finding 'The Batman' could be voted into power as a kinda kneejerk reaction to the events of TDK.

That poster is quality - especially if it is fan art.

Also, has anyone seen The Dark Knight anime DVD? Costs £10 over here, might be worth a purchase.

[Impact!]

Yeah def a fake, pretty cool though

[U-Warrior]

Definitly a fake, but one of the best fakes I've ever seen. Love the writing on riddler's hands. Nice touch.

[Hanso Amore]

I was just reading the articles, awesome work. Its just so much work that its crazy to think it is isnt real, how do people have this much time?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Guess it makes sense that someone who is hellbent on finding 'The Batman' could be voted into power as a kinda kneejerk reaction to the events of TDK.

That poster is quality - especially if it is fan art.

Also, has anyone seen The Dark Knight anime DVD? Costs £10 over here, might be worth a purchase.

If you mean Gotham Knight I thought it was very average.

[El Fangel]

Yeah def a fake, pretty cool though

[Impact!]

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4750/1218726168852ll8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Impact!]

lol

[RP]

that would be pretty damn interesting.

[Reavant]

minus kristen bell

[Hanso Amore]

HArley Quinn, right? Guess that could play off the Joker, but since his character is still alive, but Ledger is dead, dunno if they will ever bring anything like that in.

Man, peeps have great Photo shop skills, they need to go work for the real companies.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Jon Kano]

Gotham City is a terrible name for a Batman film jus so you don't get too exicted lol

[NeanderCarl]

I don't think they'd use the Joker so soon again for the next film (nor his daughter)... while it will be worth revisiting down the line and possibly recasting Joker, it shouldn't be as soon as the next film or it will just be seen as a rehash.

[NeanderCarl]

Plus with Ledger's Joker being so young, his daughter, if he had one, would surely be little more than a child.

[Lock Jaw]

I think that poster was supposed to Harley Quinn and not The Joker's Daughter (who wasn't even really The Joker's daughter)

[NeanderCarl]

Oh.

Is Harley Quinn not the Joker's daughter?

I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to the comic book storylines, but I'm sure that the next installment in the Burton/Schumacher franchise was to have Harley Quinn as the Joker's daughter, with Nicholson returning, before it was axed.

Playing the artistic liberty card again were they?

[Fox]

Harley Quinn was Joker's psychiatrist in Arkham Asylum. She tried to cure him through dozens and dozens of sessions, but in the end, he ended up "curing" her, warping her mind and turning her into his most trusted and valuable partner in crime.

[thedamndest]

In fact, here is a 20 minute summary that should answer all your Harley Quinn origin questions:

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[Blitz]

Pretty horrid looking Harley Quinn, tbh.

[DaveWadding]

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