NFL 2009 Off Season Thread

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah, let's get this baby started.

So what's in the news...

Patriots put the franchise tag on Matt Cassel, so they must not be confident Brady will be ready for the start of the season. I highly doubt anyone will be willing to give up two 1st rounders to sign Cassel so this boy is going to get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaid. Probably around $15 million

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If the Patriots do sign Cassel under the franchise tag rule, he would make more than Brady next season.

[RP]

Colts should get Haynesworth for shits and giggles

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Ravens could potentially be in trouble. Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, and Bart Scott are all unrestricted free agents.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also the Giants have both Jacobs and Ward as unrestricted free agents. Jacobs has been very vocal about returning and Ward will most likely get a ton of money elsewhere to start.

[Gonzo]

Also the Giants have both Jacobs and Ward as unrestricted free agents. Jacobs has been very vocal about returning and Ward will most likely get a ton of money elsewhere to start.

I wish they could both stay but Ward will probably leave. I really don't think he can carry the load by himself though. The Giants have Bradshaw waiting in the wings for a more active role so they will probably go with that.

[ClockShot]

Marshawn Lynch arrested for possession of a concealed weapon.

Probably fucked himself now after that hit and run.

[Hanso Amore]

Motherfucking Marshawn Lynch. What The Fuck.

[Hanso Amore]

Latest word is that Lynch's gun was legal and registered, and in the Trunk of the car.

My thought is that the gun was loaded, which would be what he was charged with.

[Krimzon7]

Well my dysfunctional Bengals are on the verge of losing TJ to free agency, and Chad will be gone (Thank GOD). Julius Peppers want's out of Carolina, so it will be interesting to see where he lands. Fucking Patirots, Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 or so he says.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

WHAT? YOU'RE A BENGALS FAN? WHAAAAAAAAT?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

also yeah read today that Chad and TJ are both on the way out

dunno how they'll handle TJ because franchising him and then trading him seems like a good move but who knows nowadays what you'll get for an aging wideout

[Supreme Olajuwon]

TJ said he wants to play for a winner. Harrison might be leaving Indy. Indy could use a slot receiver. Seems about as perfect a match as you'll find. Hell TJ wouldn't even have to buy a new house.

[Krimzon7]

Yeah, TJ says he wants to go to Philly! That is crazy. Yes I'm a Bengals fan, and I actually know another! We need a running back! and a good DE. It would be sweet to see Ray Ray do marvin lewis a favor and head to cincy... We've got enough receivers, but they're young. We can save money by dumping TJ and chad.

[Icess]

Can't tag Houz, they really needed a kicker. Pretty smart use of the franchise, Bungles

[Gonzo]

I would welcome TJ to NY. If the Giants keep Plaxico I'm going to be a little annoyed.

[Krimzon7]

Can't tag Houz, they really needed a kicker. Pretty smart use of the franchise, Bungles
Houz, had already stated that he'd go Ocho Cinco if the front office tagged him. We have a bevy of young receivers, and trust me, TJ stays nicked up. CHad may have lost a step. Fuck them. Let Carson hit a bunch of random young guns. It worked for Brady!

[Icess]

He's got to stay healthy, as well.

And Simpson is still three years off, and Holt and Purify weren't drafted for a reason.

[Krimzon7]

Yeah, I thought Carson was headed for Tommy John surgery. His career woulda been over. He did the right thing to sit out the year. I would Run a Lap around Atlanta if we could get Brian Oragkpo in the draft.

[Shadow]

Some rumors I've been hearing is that Ray Lewis is interested in coming to play for Washington.

And if Chad's leaving the Bungles, he may be heading to DC as well. He apperently wants to play for Snyder.

[Icess]

I don't see it, I think that cat out of Baylor is the likely choice, but if they really want him, he'll be available.

And Ray Ray isn't going anywhere, and Snyder can't afford 85 at this point. They're still like 7 million over cap

[Krimzon7]

The deal was on the table for the Bengals to take TWO NUMBER 1's from Snyder. unless that's still on the table forget it. Chad's still under contract. TJ wants to go to Philly, and he's started lighting the bridges at Paul Brown Stadium. Ray Ray is 35, and he's most likely headed to Dallas, to stabilize that locker room

[Icess]

Bart Scott isn't going to be resigned, and Suggs has already said he'll take a pay cut (he'll be franchised so it won't much matter). Ray is going to retire as a Raven, no chance he's moving.

Snyder could offer two number one's when he wasn't going to pick up the check until 2009. Now, he's fucked. Just to get under cap, he's going to have to release Taylor and Washington. It's likely he'll release Springs, and with cap numbers, Andre Carter may have to go. While Randel El restructured, Moss is still getting paid entirely too much for the two games he produces a season. Portis could get released to free up the necessary cap room (and wouldn't be as terrible an idea as some people may think), but it won't happen from a marketing standpoint. Collins is another huge cap anchor, as is Samuels, and Griffen, but releasing them will actually cost them more then keeping them.

[Krimzon7]

Snyder is fucked! At least he's trying to win. The Bengals (Brown Family) are consistently the top 5 in the NFL as far as profit. But we lose every year!

[RatedGSuperstar]

I'm interested in seeing what the Packers do this offseason. Ted Thompson's been notorious for sitting on piles of cash every offseason and preferring to build through the draft, but this offseason isn't one where you want to be frugal. They desperately need some help defensively, considering they could've been a playoff team last year if their defense could have held their fourth quarter leads.

Hiring Dom Capers and switching to the 3-4 is going to require an overhaul of the defense. I'd love to get Julius Peppers, but that's probably a pipe dream. Maybe they could look at someone like Bart Scott, who's a 3-4 vet, to fill one of the OLB positions. Right now it's looking like they'll be moving Aaron Kampman to OLB and pushing Hawk back inside, ending up with a corps of Poppinga/Chillar-Barnett-Hawk-Kampman. My biggest worry is that they don't really have that prototypical run-stuffing DT that you need in a 3-4. Haynesworth would be nice, but I'd be surprised if he'd even consider Green Bay.

[Icess]

While some of that may be true, the actual problem with the Packers is the lack of a run game. Their defense was a top 10 two years ago with largely the same crew, and it's still one of the youngest teams in the NFL. The major difference was Ryan Grant's lack of production. Boosting the offensive line may be the way to go keeping pressure off of Rogers, and allowing running holes for Grant.

That said, pretty much everyone has you taking Raji or Everett

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The bengals really screwed themselves by going on that winning streak to end the year. They could've had the #2 pick and their choice of O lineman. Now they have to wait to see which of the big 3 will be left if any. Not too worried though because all 3 look like studs.

[ClockShot]

Saints cut Deuce McAllister.

Head for the hills, Krispy is probably fuming.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I had even heard that Tennessee was a possible option for TJ.

I'm wondering how he would be as WR here.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

In all honestly I think TJ would be a good/great fit on any team as long as they're good. He's not the kind of guy to bitch about touches or any of the other diva crap. He just wants to win and he wants to get paid. It's a shame that he's had to waste his prime on such a shitty team but he'll be a force for whoever he winds up with next year.

[ClockShot]

And Mike Nolan begins the changes.

Word is 'Dre Bly is gonna get released from the Broncos.

[FearedSanctity]

Eh on that. Bly could be good at times, but just got shit on WAY too many times

[Gonzo]

Latest word is that Lynch's gun was legal and registered, and in the Trunk of the car.

My thought is that the gun was loaded, which would be what he was charged with.

Where did you see this? I haven't been able to find anything that states this.

[FearedSanctity]

Broncos Cut Cornerback Dre' Bly

The Denver Broncos have made another major cut to their roster. Tuesday evening the team announced it has released cornerback Dre' Bly.

Bly played two seasons in Denver. He was signed by the Broncos before the 2007 season after spending his first 8 years in Detroit and St. Louis.

Bly started all 16 games for the Broncos in 2008 and recorded 2 interceptions.

Bly was scheduled to count $6.8 million against the Broncos salary cap in 2009

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/broncos.dre.bly.2.937455.html

[Krimzon7]

The bengals honestly don't need an oline, as much as we need a running back. our line is solid, and was one of the best just two years ago. the lack of a D line, and a running back is where we fall short.

[Hanso Amore]

Where did you see this? I haven't been able to find anything that states this.

It was on NFL Network.com, let me see if I can find the article...

There it is

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ec15d2&template=without-video&confirm=true

"This incident did not involve any violence," Schwartzbach told NFL Network. "Although I am in the process of gathering facts, my current understanding is that the weapon wasn't on Marshawn's person, he was not driving. This weapon was in the trunk."

[Hanso Amore]

The bengals honestly don't need an oline, as much as we need a running back. our line is solid, and was one of the best just two years ago. the lack of a D line, and a running back is where we fall short.

Not a great year to need a back.

Free Agents are older this year, and the draft is shallow.

Maybe Deuce can patch the hole....Or Taylor, and they can nab a complimentary rookie.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The bengals honestly don't need an oline, as much as we need a running back. our line is solid, and was one of the best just two years ago. the lack of a D line, and a running back is where we fall short.
I don't know what games you were watching but the Bengals gave up 51 sacks last year. Yeah they were good a couple years ago. Now Steinbach is gone, Willie is gone, Braham is gone, and Levi is a mess. 80% of this solid O-Line is not there.

[Krimzon7]

They gave up 51 sacks due to Ryan Fitzpatrick not being NFL ready. He held the ball too long, we have no running game, what would most defenses do? blitz the rookie QB. Bobby Williams, Andrew Wentworth, are solid Guards, we can add a year to some of our younger linemen and I believe we have our starting 5, with Levi returning to form. The best thing our line could use is a running game to take pressure off of Carson. we shouldn't have gotten rid of steinbach, but anderson and braham were on the decline. A good run offense is what's needed. If we could just kiss Wards ass enough to get him to Cincy...

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Blunts were found in the Lynch car.

Oh dear.

[Hanso Amore]

They gave up 51 sacks due to Ryan Fitzpatrick not being NFL ready. He held the ball too long, we have no running game, what would most defenses do? blitz the rookie QB. Bobby Williams, Andrew Wentworth, are solid Guards, we can add a year to some of our younger linemen and I believe we have our starting 5, with Levi returning to form. The best thing our line could use is a running game to take pressure off of Carson. we shouldn't have gotten rid of steinbach, but anderson and braham were on the decline. A good run offense is what's needed. If we could just kiss Wards ass enough to get him to Cincy...

Stop talking. You know nothing.

Fitz is not a rookie QB. He is like a 7 year veteran.

[RatedGSuperstar]

While some of that may be true, the actual problem with the Packers is the lack of a run game. Their defense was a top 10 two years ago with largely the same crew, and it's still one of the youngest teams in the NFL. The major difference was Ryan Grant's lack of production. Boosting the offensive line may be the way to go keeping pressure off of Rogers, and allowing running holes for Grant.

That said, pretty much everyone has you taking Raji or Everett

Last year's defense really struggled by not getting the consistent pass rush they had the year before thanks to guys like Corey Williams (although Williams seemed to be a flop in Cleveland, so even if he hadn't been traded, they probably wouldn't have been as good). There was also the injuries to Charles Woodson and Al Harris, and the safeties generally struggled in pass coverage. I still have no idea how Nick Collins made the Pro Bowl. He reminds me of Darren Sharper in that he got a lot of attention for a high INT total, but unless you watch the game you have no idea just how much of a liability he is.

The offensive line definitely needs to be improved, but I'm afraid that one of the big 3 tackles won't be available by the time they pick at #9. That's where they'll probably pick up a guy like Everett to be a pure pass rusher, or just trade down and hope for the best. God knows Thompson loves stockpiling picks, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him trade down and maybe try to nab Oher or something while gaining and extra 2nd or 3rd rounder.

[Krimzon7]

Hello, Conduct Policy! Goodbye, 8 paychecks...

[Krimzon7]

Stop talking. You know nothing.

Fitz is not a rookie QB. He is like a 7 year veteran.

Hanso, Fitzpatrcik has not taken a real snap in his NFL career before this past season. and the way he played, he should've claimed he was a rookie! lemme fix your statement, he's a 5 year vagabond.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It was not all Fitzpatrick's fault. Palmer only played 4 games and was sacked 11 times. That's horrible.

[Hanso Amore]

Hanso, Fitzpatrcik has not taken a real snap in his NFL career before this past season. and the way he played, he should've claimed he was a rookie! lemme fix your statement, he's a 5 year vagabond.

He has started and won a few games while he was still in St Louis d-bag. He has played 5 offseasons, 5 preseasons. He is far from a rookie.

he is a journeyman backup QB. Huge difference.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Actually, he only won 1 game in St Louis and that was as a mid game replacement. He lost the 3 games he started.

[RatedGSuperstar]

- Jordan Gross signs a long-term deal with Carolina, paving the way for Julius Peppers to get franchised.

- Nnamdi Asomugha about to sign a long-term deal with the Raiders that'll give him about $26 million guaranteed in the first two years. Asomugha's a good corner, but you'd have to figure Al Davis would realize that giving out these big guaranteed money deals isn't pretty smart after DeAngelo Hall, Javon Walker, etc.

- Colts are expected to cut Marvin Harrison sometime this offseason in a cost-cutting move.

[Krimzon7]

Hanso, I stand corrected. He managed to play in 4 games during the NFL season. Good that Carolina has managed to tackle Gross. I heard rumors that Peppers will demand the trade, citing Dallas as a possible destination. I know he wants to play in a 3-4. Has he listed any other teams? I would go mad with rage if he says PIttsburgh.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

You can't compare Asomugha to an overhyped motormouth like Hall and a receiver who barely has any knees left like Walker. He's arguably the best corner in the game and in his prime.

[Krimzon7]

You can't compare Asomugha to an overhyped motormouth like Hall and a receiver who barely has any knees left like Walker. He's arguably the best corner in the game and in his prime.

Very Good point. Asomugha is the new 'shut down corner' in the league. The old guard has slowed a step. Whether it is from injury or age, you have to give Al Davis credit: his overpaying this guy is a decent move.

[Gonzo]

He has started and won a few games while he was still in St Louis d-bag. He has played 5 offseasons, 5 preseasons. He is far from a rookie.

he is a journeyman backup QB. Huge difference.

lol, whats your problem?

[Gonzo]

NFL players are such dumbasses. I will never understand for the life of me how they can constantly get caught up in court cases for the stupidest shit ever. I would live like a recluse during my career if I was in the NFL.

[Krimzon7]

The average football player is young, and rich. Here's how an average NFL work day shakes out...

6:00 am -show up at team facility, work out
7:30 am - eat breakfast
8:00 am - team meeting
8:15-9:15 - position meetings
11:00 Practice
2:00pm done for day.
Sounds like a lot? it isn't. This is a schedule that football players have followed for at least 10 years, factoring in classes or some such shit. We can do this routine on auto pilot, and then...
These young men want to go out, be seen and enjoy having unlimited amounts of money and fame. This is a new event for most, because they grew up in shitty upbringings. There should be more of a training/mentor program for the younger players.

When I signed my first contract, I was pretty excited, I was nowhere near milionaire status, but I went out and did all the stupid shit associated with 'being a professional football player'. I was humble for like 3 weeks, until I got used to the time zone, altitude, and new city. Then, I was all about being in a club, or in some cheerleader's panties. There has to be some accountability on the players part, and the organization's behalf as well.

[Hanso Amore]

Marshawn Lynch charged with 3 weapons charges.

4 Game Suspension will be a minimum IMHO

[Mr. Monday Morning]

NFL players are such dumbasses. I will never understand for the life of me how they can constantly get caught up in court cases for the stupidest shit ever. I would live like a recluse during my career if I was in the NFL.

Correction - live like a recluse in a huge fucking house with probably everything you could want

[Hanso Amore]

I understand and I also dont when it come to players.

I get that many players are from poor, ghetto backgrounds, and once they hit it big, they still want to stay true to their roots and go out to the same clubs etc. They should have every right to do this. But the fact is that the atmosphere in those places puts a huge target on your back.

There are guys in these clubs that will rob anyone, and when they know you are rich you are a target, hence the need for Posses and Guns. The players just want to do what they love and be protect themselves.

I get that somewhat. But I still sthink that it is the wrong idea. They need to accept that life has changed and avoid these situations.

[Krimzon7]

Hanso, you're very right. I agree that young athletes should realize that they're now upperclass citizens. I totally think that the real people who drop the ball are the GM's, Owners, and front office who don't continually educate these kids about the downfalls of 'keeping it real'.

[Shadow]

Wait wait wait a fucking moment here. Did anyone see this?



When I signed my first contract, I was pretty excited, I was nowhere near milionaire status, but I went out and did all the stupid shit associated with 'being a professional football player'. I was humble for like 3 weeks, until I got used to the time zone, altitude, and new city. Then, I was all about being in a club, or in some cheerleader's panties. There has to be some accountability on the players part, and the organization's behalf as well.

Are you telling me you're a professional football player? And you post on an internet wrestling message board?

[Krimzon7]

Have you checked out the 15 questions thread? You should. I played arena football. I hung up the cleats (or sneakers) last year, and the league folded this year. Plus, I LOVE WRESTLING! and some of you fuckers are pretty funny.

[Krimzon7]

Wait wait wait a fucking moment here. Did anyone see this?




Are you telling me you're a professional football player and you ______________?

You'd be surprised what football players do in their spare time. I won't name names, but some of the brutes you cheer for like to molest children, beat their wives, jam dicks in their mouths and ass, kill people, sell drugs, raise good kids, have successful marriages, and watch wrestling.

[Gonzo]

Correction - live like a recluse in a huge fucking house with probably everything you could want

That goes without saying. :D

[UmbrellaCorporation]

So apparently Marvin Harrison wants to be released altogether.

Wow.

[Krimzon7]

Where will he go?

[RP]

I hope everyone in this thread dies

[Krimzon7]

You should cock punch yourself, then Bill Polian

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Bucs release Derrick Brooks, Joey Galloway, Ike Hilliard, Cato June, and Warrick Dunn. holy shit</font>

[SammyG]

Rams release Bennett. OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!!

Green, too. Meh. Old fuck.

[CSL]

Derrick Brooks :eek:

[SammyG]

Not thaaaaaaat shocking.

[CSL]

14 years, one team, pro-bowl last year. Figured he'd be there 'til retiring. I have no idea what he was due to earn, whether he's happy or not/whatever other reason it could be etc though

[Innovator]

Giants sign Brandon Motherhehe Jacobs to a 4 year deal, YES

[Krimzon7]

looks like talks broke down with cardinals and warner. Seems like Housh, Ray Lewis, K Collins will all hit the open market.

[Hanso Amore]

Bills cut Derrick Docker y and Robery Royal...Thank god.

Dockery is on the way back to Washington.

[Krimzon7]

Haynesworth inks 7 year 100 million dollar deal...Juilus Peppers just jizzed in his pants. Carolina, prepare to grab your ankles.

[RP]

with the Colts?

[RatedGSuperstar]

That Haynesworth contract is just ridiculously stupid. Yeah, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed so he'll probably be cut in a few years, but by that time they'll already have paid him at least $70 million ($41 million is guaranteed, and he'll make $32 million during the first 13 months of the deal). And this is for a player that could've been considered a pretty big bust before last season.

[Krimzon7]

The Redskins has a history of overpaying people. And Haynesworth was never a 'bust'. He was just a rage case...To the best of my memory. He had that gun charge, and other issues too. But his play was always solid.

[RP]

The Colts didnt tender an offer to Keiaho. Not sure what they have left under the cap. Last i heard it was 6.6. I wonder what Ray Lewis is asking for. I'd shit my pants if he took a pay cut to come play with Indy and win another ring.

[OssMan]

So Haynesworth is pretty much guaranteed to suck a dick this year. Oh wait the Redskins signed Haynesworth so obviously Superbowl for them

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Redskins also just signed DeAngelo Hall.

wait for it

wait for it

6 years, $54 Million

haaaaaaaaaaa

[Hanso Amore]

I am hoping Buffalo picks up Keiaho. We play a similar Cover 2, and we need the speed.

Bills wont be making any splashes, but I am hoping for 2-3 2nd tier upgrades.

Lavernius Coles is supposed to be stopping by this week. Would love to have him to go with Evans.

[Hanso Amore]

The Redskins also just signed DeAngelo Hall.

wait for it

wait for it

6 years, $54 Million

haaaaaaaaaaa

Redskins are idiots.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Oh yeah Hall's contract comes with $22 million in guarantees

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Evil Vito]

Oh yeah Hall's contract comes with $22 million in guarantees

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

<font color=goldenrod>LOL Foreskins</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ok now that the joking is out of the way, the first actual good signing of the FA season:

Patriots sign RB Fred Taylor

[RP]

Bart Scott to the Jets

[ClockShot]

Damn. I'll bet Snyder is gonna up the ticket prices at Six Flags with these moves.

"Golden Boy" Tom Brady gets hitched.

[RP]

Also with Scott going to the Jets, that means Lewis is either staying a Raven or he's headed elsewhere.

[RP]

Damn. I'll bet Snyder is gonna up the ticket prices at Six Flags with these moves.

"Golden Boy" Tom Brady gets hitched.

FUCK THAT FAG GOD

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Jeff Saturday is staying in Indianapolis

[RP]

thank you jesus

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's pretty huge for Indy. I thought he was going to go elsewhere but he signed right before the FA period even started. Didn't even test the market

[ClockShot]

Nothing major on the Broncos front. We're expected to sign Correll Buckhalter and JJ Arrington to contracts. Why we need runningbacks when we need defense is beyond me.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's not like Buckhalter or Arrington is going to break the bank.

[ClockShot]

They're not. When we got a crew of Hillis, Young, Hill, and Torain all ready and willing.

[RP]

That's pretty huge for Indy. I thought he was going to go elsewhere but he signed right before the FA period even started. Didn't even test the market

He didnt want to leave and Indy didnt want him to leave. The extra 4 million added to the cap helped make it happen.

So glad he's finishing his career in Indy. He's a hall of famer for sure. People just dont know how good and important he is.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Stacy Andrews' big fat ass is now in Philly with his brother Shawn. So this pretty much assures Runyan is gone.

[Krimzon7]

So begins the Bengals Fire Sale. At Least somebody make a play for that faggot Johnson...

[RP]

Bucs just traded draft picks for Kellen Winslow

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That is huge. Word is the Browns front office pissed off Shaun Rogers too and now he wants out.

[Krimzon7]

That's MAJOR! what a cornerstone for the BUCS

[Boomer]

I'm a little worried about Falcons management saying they are going to develop a defense through the Draft rather than FA. I mean the Falcons had a great draft last year, but we also got some veteran guys to hold the defense up.

Rumor is the Falcons have been talking with LJ Smith. I'm not sure if he's the kind of TE we need, but if he stayed healthy he could definitely be useful.

And goodbye Brooking. Falcons fans will miss him, but it is time to replace him.

[Krimzon7]

Are you from Atl Boomer? I live here, and it is tough to find a true Falcon Fan. Brooking has some gas, but the front office is making a good move. L J is not the option. THey could pick up a solid NFL ready TE in the draft

[Boomer]

I've lived in Georgia my whole life, and I currently live in the ATL, but I'm not from here. Macon is home for me.

[Krimzon7]

Small world.

[Heros Welcome]

I'm with ya Boomer. I'm really shaky on the plans for the defense now. We lose Foxy, though he is not worth the contract the Ravens gave him, and now thats just another hole in the D.

A lot to be addressed with needs at DT, DE, OLB, S, CB.Thats a lot and I don't think it can all be taken care of in the draft.

Though I'm questioning, I still have all the faith in the world with TD to make the right decisions.

[FearedSanctity]

Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill on their way to Denver for visits

[ClockShot]

Dawkins is getting old. Don't know how much he got left.

Mike Vrabel traded to the Chiefs for a pick.

[Shadow]

Oh those wacky Redskins.

Oh and to accomidate these two high level signings we've cut Shawn Springs.

[Gonzo]

He didnt want to leave and Indy didnt want him to leave. The extra 4 million added to the cap helped make it happen.

So glad he's finishing his career in Indy. He's a hall of famer for sure. People just dont know how good and important he is.

Kind of like Shaun O'Hara for the Giants. Makes a hell of a lot of difference having a guy that can command your offensive line and get your protections in order play after play. Glad to see O'Hara got recognized to a Pro Bowl this year.

Rumor is the Falcons have been talking with LJ Smith. I'm not sure if he's the kind of TE we need, but if he stayed healthy he could definitely be useful.

I don't know the ATL TE situation but I think LJ might fit in a temporary role. Good all around TE and he can catch the ball. He would definitely be a good security blanket for Matt Ryan.

[Hanso Amore]

Its being reported that Laverneus Coles is spending the night in Buffalo for a 2nd night

Looks like we are going to get him.

Also, Bills sign Fitzpatrick as a backup QB....one page after I argue with someone about him.

I need to start arguing about good players.

[Krimzon7]

:lol: enjoy Fitzpatrick...and his indecisions. Derrick Ward comes to the Natti Saturday

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Michael Boley looks like he will sign with the Giants. V. good pickup if so :y:

Vilma re-signed with the Saints.

Broncos also picked up Jabar Gaffney and some others.

[FearedSanctity]

So far Denver's signed:

Brian Dawkins
Jabar Gaffney
Renaldo Hill
Correll Buckhalter
JJ Arrington
Lonie Paxton

Ray Lewis has a visit scheduled apparently and we still need some damn corners

[ClockShot]

We should have snagged Foxworth back. But he found his home in Baltimore.

We'll probably get a CB in the Draft. But we need more defense.

[FearedSanctity]

Add Indianapolis DT Darrell Reid and potentially Houston WR Charlie Anderson to that list

[RP]

son of a bitch

[Krimzon7]

Dawkins isn't a bronco yet. Looks like the Skins' sign Dockery from Buffalo for their Oline.

[Hanso Amore]

Coles has left buffalo, possibly in route to Miami.

[RP]

Matt Cassell traded to the Chiefs for a Scott Pioli autographed football.

[SammyG]

Pretty stoked about us signing Brown.

[ClockShot]

Matt Cassell traded to the Chiefs for a Scott Pioli autographed football.

And here I thought you were just screwing around.

I guess Pioli is gonna leave Brady with nothing to work with if he keeps looting.

[ClockShot]

Vilma is gonna stay in New Orleans. Agreed to terms on a 5-year deal.

[Krimzon7]

That Cassel trade feels like tampering

[Gonzo]

KC probably going to be on the rise in the next year or two. Fucking A, now we have to listen to Diesel Mac. :p

[FearedSanctity]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Jay Cutler is upset after his name was involved in convoluted trade talks involving Matt Cassel.
Before the Pats traded Cassel to the Chiefs, the Bucs, Lions, and Broncos became entwined in the talks. Tampa called Denver about a three-way deal that would have sent Cassel to the Broncos and Cutler to the Bucs. The Lions also knocked on Denver's door about Cutler with Cassel as potential bait, but the Broncos turned down both offers after "entertaining the notion." Schefter was clear that the Broncos only fielded calls and did not instigate talks.


Rotoworld

[SammyG]

5 years for Dawkins? Come on, Denver.

[DaveWadding]

Pretty stoked about us signing Brown.

My understanding is he's pretty fucking good. Now they just need to keep Pace one more year to help coach the stud tackle they draft in the 1st round...

[SammyG]

Yeah, but keeping Pace costs us a shitload of money. Plus the fact that we got rid of Bennett makes me think that Holt is staying, which is added money. He is due a bonus March 3rd or something.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Matt Cassel has Rob Johnson written all over him.

[ClockShot]

Lions trade Jon Kitna to the 'Boys for CB Anthony Henry.

Keith Brooking signs a 3-year deal with Dallas as well.

[Gonzo]

My understanding is he's pretty fucking good. Now they just need to keep Pace one more year to help coach the stud tackle they draft in the 1st round...

Most 'stud' tackles shouldn't need 1 year of coaching. They typically can come in and play right away.

[Hanso Amore]

Matt Cassel has Rob Johnson written all over him.

Fuck you

Dont ever talk to him

[RP]

So Matt Cassell and Mike Vrabel for a 2nd round pick

If anyone needed further proof that the Patriots are a bunch of cheating peices of shits, there you have it. They gift wrapped these 2 players to there boy Pioli for basically nothing.

If there is truely a God, he'll have the Patriots be knocked out of the playoffs or playoff contention by K.C next year. One can only hope these cheating sons of cunt whore bitches get what they fucking deserve.

[Splaya]

RP ladies and gentlemen.

In all seriousness though, Cassell could be a bust. Could be.

Also, love the Henry for Kitna deal. Almost cried when I saw that.

Lions sign Bryant Johnson to a 3 year 9 million deal. Mayhew is doing good things in Detroit

[Krimzon7]

We all know that the Pats/Cheifs trade is 'questionable'. earlier in this same page i mentioned that this feels like tampering, or something very similiar. Next thing you know, the Chiefs will trade Tony Gonzales to the Pats for Chris Baker, and a replica of the Vince Lombardi Trophy

[VonErichLives]

So Matt Cassell and Mike Vrabel for a 2nd round pick

If anyone needed further proof that the Patriots are a bunch of cheating peices of shits, there you have it. They gift wrapped these 2 players to there boy Pioli for basically nothing.

If there is truely a God, he'll have the Patriots be knocked out of the playoffs or playoff contention by K.C next year. One can only hope these cheating sons of cunt whore bitches get what they fucking deserve.

you're such a funny guy...

Vrabel is at the end of his career.

Cassell could be a rob johnson or scott mitchell.

How are the pats cheaters and how would they benefit by "gift wraping for nothing".

they get a good 2nd round pick and free up 17mil in cap space, which allows seymore and wilfork to sign deals and possible a good free agent signing.

Also, it was reported that the other teams who wanted cassell wouldn't give up a 1st round pick. Detriot wouldn't give up either one and I don't remember who the other team was.

So, were the raiders cheaters when they delt the pats moss for a 4th round pick?

[VonErichLives]

We all know that the Pats/Cheifs trade is 'questionable'. earlier in this same page i mentioned that this feels like tampering, or something very similiar. Next thing you know, the Chiefs will trade Tony Gonzales to the Pats for Chris Baker, and a replica of the Vince Lombardi Trophy

when I first saw the trade I thought it was a joke... or there was a player to be named later...

but the more the reports are coming out, no one wanted to take a chance possible the next rob johnson or scott mitchell and teams wouldn't give up a 1st round pick...

heck, the Pats only got a 1st round pick for Bledsoe who at that time was worth a hell of a lot more then cassell...

I guess even back then they were cheating, huh RP? trying to make the bills better...

[Crimson]

Why are the cowboys signing linebackers and trading away corners? And why the heck is Phillips and T.O still around

[ClockShot]

A bit of bad news.

From ESPN.com

Lions' Smith, Raiders' Cooper missing

CLEARWATER, Fla. -- The Coast Guard was searching off Florida's Gulf Coast on Sunday for a fishing boat carrying NFL players Corey Smith and Marquis Cooper and two other men missing nearly a day in choppy seas.

Smith and Cooper were on a 21-foot vessel that left Clearwater Pass for a fishing trip Saturday morning and did not return as expected, the Coast Guard said Sunday. Crews used a helicopter and a 47-foot boat to search a 750-square mile area west of Clearwater Pass, but poor weather made the search difficult. Officials did not receive a distress signal from the missing craft.

"We are in contact with the Coast guard and Corey's family has been informed," Smith's agent Ron Del Duca told ESPN.com's Bill Williamson. "Corey is one of the good guys out there. We're just waiting for more information and hoping for the best."

Troy Asmus, one of Cooper's agents, said he has been in contact with the NFL and that the league is aware of the situation.

"I have been in contact with the Coast Guard and they are continuing to work hard to find everyone," Asmus told Williamson. "We are hoping and praying for the best."

Cooper owns the boat and he and Smith have been on fishing trips before, Del Duca said. The pair had been teammates on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2004. The Coast Guard said two others were aboard, identified as Will Bleakley and Nick Schuyler. The St. Petersburg Times on its Web site identified them as former University of South Florida players. Calls to the school by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.

Coast Guard Capt. Timothy M. Close said the weather early Saturday had been fair, but worsened toward the evening as a front still battering the area moved in. The National Weather Service said seas were about 2 to 4 feet Saturday morning and increased to 3 to 5 feet in the afternoon. Late Saturday night, a small craft advisory was issued, when winds were around 20 knots and seas were up to 7 feet or more. There were no thunderstorms in the area.

Close said the men were traveling in a boat manufactured by Everglades. At least one of the men was an experienced boater, and relatives provided the Coast Guard with GPS coordinates from previous fishing expeditions.

Close said there was no communication with the men even before the weather started to pick up. They were expected home by early evening. No sign of them or the boat had been spotted by late Sunday afternoon.

Poor weather conditions could be dangerous for a boat the size of Cooper's.

"A 21-foot boat is a relatively small vessel to be 50 miles off shore in bad weather conditions, certainly the current weather conditions," Close said.

The Coast Guard search was mainly taking place by air, and was hampered by the poor weather, Close said. He said there were 14-foot seas offshore and wind gusts of up to 30 mph. Water depth in the area where they are searching ranges from 20 to 50 feet.

Close said there was no sign yet that the men sent a distress signal.

"That's not to say they didn't send one out," he said. "We didn't receive anything."

Smith, 29, had 30 tackles, including three sacks, and an interception in 12 games last season for the winless Lions. Smith, who is 6-foot-2, 250 pounds, also played for the San Francisco 49ers and played college ball at North Carolina State. He lives in Richmond, Va.

Del Duca said Smith was planning to start visiting teams as a free agent this week.

"They've assured me that they're deploying all available resources to look for these guys and get them back," he said.

Cooper, 26, has played five seasons with the Buccaneers, Seahawks, Jaguars, Steelers and Raiders. He appeared in 26 games with the Buccaneers in 2004 and 2005, recording 30 tackles. He has played sparingly since as he has bounced between teams, appearing in 13 games and recording 10 tackles. Cooper, who is 6-foot-3, 230 pounds, played college ball at Washington. His hometown is Mesa, Ariz., and his father Bruce is a prominent sportscaster for KPNX-TV in Phoenix.

Rick Davis, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Tampa, said the water was "extremely rough and choppy" on Sunday afternoon.

Lions spokesman Bill Keenist and Raiders senior executive John Hererra said the teams are monitoring reports.

"First and foremost, however, is that our thoughts and prayers are with all the passengers, their families and all those involved in the search efforts," the Lions said in a team release.

[RP]

my first question would be. Do we know where Daunte Culpepper and Fred Smoot are?

[Triple Naitch]

my first question would be. Do we know where Daunte Culpepper and Fred Smoot are?

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[Krimzon7]

my first question would be. Do we know where Daunte Culpepper and Fred Smoot are?

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

The plot thickens...

Apparently there was a three team deal in the works where Cassel would've gone to the Broncos, Cutler would've gone to Tampa, and the Pats would've received the 12th overall pick in the draft. A couple reports have said Denver nixed the deal but more sources say it was New England that said no. If New England did veto the deal and decide to trade Cassel for the 34th pick instead of the 12th, that's a bit of a head scratcher.

Now I'm not going to accuse the Patriots of cheating because there's no proof, but if this was in fact a clean deal, there are an awful lot of coincidences.

[Splaya]

I'm really surprised the NFL is not investigating or anything of that nature.

[Krimzon7]

The CHEAT-triots strike again

[Hanso Amore]

Jesus, I hate the pats more than any of you ever could.

But how is this "cheating"

They can trade whomever they want to anyone they want. If they get a lower pick, how does that help them AT ALL?

Cassell is due 14 million this year and then he can walk. No one was putting more than a second into him, because he could be a bust, or walk.

That Pats gained nothing out of this, so how are they cheating?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't think they cheated personally, but there is cause for suspicion. Scott Pioli, the new GM for the Chiefs, was basically did everything in his power to save Belichick's ass during Spygate. Belichick and Pioli are very close and Belichick might have wanted to help Pioli start his team in KC. So KC gets two very good players for next to nothing and the Pats get to dump salary. Basically trying to keep it in the family. Like a consortium of sorts.

The Pats would've theoretically received a much better value by dealing with the Broncos but given Belichick's animosity towards Mangini, it's very possible that Belichick wouldn't want to help out McDaniels in any way. Plus it's rumored that Belichick tipped off the Boston Globe about Cutler being in trade talks to stir up something in Denver which it totally has.

[Hanso Amore]

Why would Belichek ever do anything to help someone else?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Because helping a good friend is a lot better than helping anybody else.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with what they did, but Belichick and Pioli put themselves in this position to have their motives questioned.

[RP]

The even bigger head scratcher is why the fuck the Broncos would even entertain getting rid of Cutler and for Cassell even. Cutler is gunna be incredible this year I think and he's gunna be a HoF QB. The guy has a rocket arm. He can be clutch. He sometimes makes dumb mistakes, but he's only played for like 2 years. Cutler is and will be way better then Cassell.

[CSL]

CLEARWATER, Fla. -- The Coast Guard said Monday that the overturned boat it found off Florida's Gulf Coast belongs to Oakland Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper. The survivor found clinging to the vessel is former University of South Florida player Nick Schuyler.

The Coast Guard said Cooper, free-agent defensive end Corey Smith and another former USF player, William Bleakley, remain missing.

Television video showed Schuyler being helped from a Coast Guard helicopter at Tampa General Hospital. He appeared conscious.

The Coast Guard had been searching for the four men since they were reported missing early Sunday morning, one day after they left on a fishing trip. As of Monday morning, the Coast Guard had searched 16,000 square miles off Florida's Gulf Coast for the 21-foot Everglades-manufactured boat.

Everglades boats are built with compressed foam encased in Fiberglas, which makes them difficult or impossible to sink.

Family members believed the men had lifejackets and flares on board. The Coast Guard hadn't received a distress signal from the men.

Cooper owns the boat, and he and Smith, who were teammates with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2004, have been on fishing trips before, according to Ron Del Duca, Smith's agent.

Coast Guard Capt. Timothy M. Close said at least one of the men was an experienced boater, and relatives provided the Coast Guard with GPS coordinates from previous fishing expeditions.

Smith, 29, of Richmond, Va., is 6-foot-2 and 250 pounds and had 30 tackles, including three sacks and one interception in 12 games last season for the winless Detroit Lions.

Cooper, 26, is 6-foot-3 and 230 pounds and has spent five seasons with five different teams, appearing in 26 games with the Buccaneers in 2004 and 2005, but he has played sparingly since. He grew up in Gilbert, Ariz., and his father, Bruce, is a prominent sportscaster for KPNX-TV in Phoenix.

That's bad bad news for the NFL guys

[VonErichLives]

Why would Belichek ever do anything to help someone else?

That's exactly it, some espn guy had a quote from a nfl exec saying something like "anyone who would think Belicheck would do anything to help another team, that wasn't in his teams best interest doesn't know Belicheck".

Scoot Pioli is Parcells son in law, the Denver coach grew up under belicheck... so... why wouldn't he help Denver?

The last report I saw was Tampa Bay made an offer in a 3way deal, that had the pats getting a 1st and 3rd, but when they sent over the deal the Pats had already signed off on the other deal.

[RatedGSuperstar]

I find it hard to believe that the Patriots and Chiefs are conspiring together when the Chiefs could end up competing with the Patriots for a playoff spot in the future. If they really valued Cassel and Vrabel that much, they could've traded him to the Bucs or any other NFC team to keep him out of the AFC and avoid taking the chance of the move burning them in the long run.

Really, I guess I'm in the minority here that doesn't think the Patriots did a favor for the Chiefs. I was never really all that impressed with Cassel (even in that game against the Jets where he threw for like 400 yards he wasn't that impressive...over/underthrowing receivers a lot and typically holding the ball too long), and Vrabel's just about finished. Kansas City's second rounder is just a few picks removed from being a first rounder, so it's a damn good deal for them IMO.

[Triple Naitch]

The even bigger head scratcher is why the fuck the Broncos would even entertain getting rid of Cutler and for Cassell even. Cutler is gunna be incredible this year I think and he's gunna be a HoF QB. The guy has a rocket arm. He can be clutch. He sometimes makes dumb mistakes, but he's only played for like 2 years. Cutler is and will be way better then Cassell.

Well, Josh McDaniels is the coach in Denver now and Cassell is the Tom Brady to his Belicheck. McDaniels made Cassell look like Joe Montana. I can't blame him for wanting to get his guy in there who already knows and has thrived in his system.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Redskins release Jason Taylor after only one year. Trading a 2nd round pick for him looks pretty retarded now.

T.J. Houshmandzadeh chooses the Seahawks. They finally have a #1 receiver...now let's see if Hasselbeck can bounce back with a healthy season.

Kurt Warner is visiting with the 49ers.

[Krimzon7]

Redskins release Jason Taylor after only one year. Trading a 2nd round pick for him looks pretty retarded now.

T.J. Houshmandzadeh chooses the Seahawks. They finally have a #1 receiver...now let's see if Hasselbeck can bounce back with a healthy season.

Kurt Warner is visiting with the 49ers.

Fuck you too TJ :'(

[Hanso Amore]

I cannot wait until the streak ends. But there is no one in line that is worthy.

[Hanso Amore]

WHoops

[Krimzon7]

I cannot wait until the streak ends. But there is no one in line that is worthy.
:lol:

[Triple Naitch]

Derrick Ward to the Bucs

[D Mac]

KC probably going to be on the rise in the next year or two. Fucking A, now we have to listen to Diesel Mac. :p

WOOOOOOOOOO! Maybe we'll be above .500 this year.

[VonErichLives]

Redskins release Jason Taylor after only one year. Trading a 2nd round pick for him looks pretty retarded now.


word is it was a money/cap issue not performance, they want him to redo his contract and he said no.

he's still a top performer and on the higher end of his career, so I can see him not wanting to redo his deal.

he'd look nice in a Pats uniform...

[SammyG]

Come to St.Louis Jason.

[D Mac]

Come to KC Jason.

[RP]

Dont come to Indy Jason. We dont want old gay guys who dont practice on our team.

[D Mac]

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[Krimzon7]

Don't come to Cincy...WAIT! Jason, if you wanna come to Cincy come on!!!

[ClockShot]

Samari Rolle wants out of Baltimore.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

HUGE NEWS FLASH

Several news outlets are reporting that the Cincinnati Bengals have come to terms with absolutely nobody. This of course follows yesterday's big move of signing nobody and tomorrow appears to bring more of the same. It certainly is a great time to be a Bengals fan, folks.

[RP]

How's it feel to be a Bronco fan and know you'll never win a Superbowl again?

Will Denver send Cutler to Cleveland for Rogers, Quinn?
Maybe the Denver Broncos really do want to trade Jay Cutler. Broncosfreaks.com is reporting a deal may already be in place that would send Cutler to the Cleveland Browns for quarterback Brady Quinn, unhappy nose tackle Shaun Rogers and a third-round pick.

Media reports over the past couple weeks have indicated that Cleveland coach Eric Mangini is not overly impressed with Quinn. Rogers, feeling snubbed by Mangini on two different occasions, has asked to be traded. As the reported noted, the trade makes sense.

For Denver, there is a lack of quality nose tackles available on the free agent market and in the draft. Also, reports out of Denver indicate Cutler is unwilling to meet with the front office and coaching staff.

Source: Broncosfreaks.com



Theres also rumored talks with Minnesota. The Broncos are actually shopping Cutler. This is insane. Who is running this organization? I'm literally stunned right now. Cutler will be amazing this year and for the rest of his career. Denver = morons.

[DaveBrawl]

Ugh, please no. I just came to terms with no defense. No offense will crush what little hope I have for this team.

[Krimzon7]

HUGE NEWS FLASH

Several news outlets are reporting that the Cincinnati Bengals have come to terms with absolutely nobody. This of course follows yesterday's big move of signing nobody and tomorrow appears to bring more of the same. It certainly is a great time to be a Bengals fan, folks.

You got me Supreme, right square in the nuts...:wavesad:

[ClockShot]

Theres also rumored talks with Minnesota. The Broncos are actually shopping Cutler. This is insane. Who is running this organization? I'm literally stunned right now. Cutler will be amazing this year and for the rest of his career. Denver = morons.

I heard on WFAN that the Jets were also interested in Cutler as well.

Well, all my Broncos fans who backed McDaniels as coach got their wish. Make big changes and moves to right the ship.

[RP]

Everyone is intrested in Jay Cutler. He's a top 5 QB right now and i think he'll be the best QB in the league in 2 years. Who isnt intrested in Cutler aside from New England and Indy?

Broncos are stupid. And how is this righting the ship? This is sinking a cruise ship and building a row boat. Its so dumb. I cant even believe the Broncos are serious about this.

[MVP]

Yeah Jay Cutler is the best thing to happen to the Broncos in a long time. I don't know what they're thinking trying to trade him. If they are foolish enough to trade him, I hope to god it's not to the Jets.

[RP]

He's gunna be better then John Elway. PRINT THAT SHIT!

[parkmania]

Who isnt intrested in Cutler aside from New England and Indy?


Pittsburgh.

[Hanso Amore]

Pittsburgh.

New York Giants

New Orleans

Maybe Cincy.

Everyone else would kill for him I would think.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The search for three still missing is to be called off once nightfall hits. RIP</font> :(

[Krimzon7]

New York Giants

New Orleans

Maybe Cincy.

Everyone else would kill for him I would think.

San Diego wouldn't.

[Gonzo]

The search for three still missing is to be called off once nightfall hits. RIP :(

Heard this on the radio, really fucking sad.

[Hanso Amore]

San Diego wouldn't.

Good Call.

[Heros Welcome]

New York Giants

New Orleans

Maybe Cincy.

Everyone else would kill for him I would think.

Nor would ATL

[ClockShot]

Wouldn't worry about now. Denver ended trade talks and hope to reconcile.

Next week on Denver: Will Jay and Josh make-up? Will Brandon Marshall get punished by Goodell?

Tune in.

[DrA]

I think this is going to be the first draft in which I have actually seen four potential first rounders play live in high school.

[Shadow]

New York Giants

New Orleans

Maybe Cincy.

Everyone else would kill for him I would think.

'Skins wouldn't either. Though Snyder would try to throw another $100 mill away for him.

[VonErichLives]

I think denver was only going to deal Cutler if they could have gotten Cassell...

which, while I think Cassell will be a decent QB, I don't see how you give up someone proven like Cutler for someone with less then a season and (did he win against many +500 teams?) in cassell

[UmbrellaCorporation]

RAY LEWIS STAYS IN BALTIMORE.

I am psyched about that. Lewis = The man.

and Laverneus Coles (I totally know that is spelled wrong) goes to the Bengals. Not a bad pickup.

[Krimzon7]

fucking meh. give the three rookies we drafted a chance!

[Droford]

RAY LEWIS STAYS IN BALTIMORE.

I am psyched about that. Lewis = The man.

and Laverneus Coles (I totally know that is spelled wrong) goes to the Bengals. Not a bad pickup.

The Ravens also signed Matt Birk away from Minnesota. Hes a solid veteran, a 6 time pro bowler and he signed for about 1/3 of what Jason Brown got from St. Louis.

I think the reports of the demise of the Ravens were premature. Sure they lost a couple guys but none of them were irreplaceable and Im sure that Ozzie will sign a couple more solid FA and have one of his above average drafts as well.

Oh and Cincy did get a good pickup with Coles. Thought for absolutely sure he would go to the Dolphins to be with Pennington.

[Gonzo]

I think denver was only going to deal Cutler if they could have gotten Cassell...

which, while I think Cassell will be a decent QB, I don't see how you give up someone proven like Cutler for someone with less then a season and (did he win against many +500 teams?) in cassell

I can see why McDaniels would want Cassell, someone he can work with and they already have a good working relationship. But on the other hand, they have Cutler, who has tools to be great.

I'm not surprised Cutler was pissed either. I think any QB thats worth a lick would have the right to get pissed if the team shopped you around. If you suck, yeah, but Cutler doesn't exactly suck.

[Krimzon7]

I can see why McDaniels would want Cassell, someone he can work with and they already have a good working relationship. But on the other hand, they have Cutler, who has tools to be great.

I'm not surprised Cutler was pissed either. I think any QB thats worth a lick would have the right to get pissed if the team shopped you around. If you suck, yeah, but Cutler doesn't exactly suck.

Jay Cutler was absolutely the only reason the Broncos would win. He had no defense, and no running game. He should be the only person that Denver would NOT move...He has every right to be pissed, Josh McDumbass should've read the fuckin Bronco report and realized what he was working with.

[ClockShot]

Broncos are spending.

Signed LaMont Jordan, Chris Simms, and Andre Goodman.

[Heros Welcome]

T.O. RELEASED!

HAHAHHAHHAAAAHAHHAAH

[James Steele]

The 2nd biggest cancer in America's lockerroom has been released. Now, if only Jerry Jones would fire himself.

[D Mac]

T.O. could start fresh in Kansas City.

[Splaya]

Dear God,

If you somehow convince William Clay Ford to overpay T.O. and then somehow convince T.O to actually play for Detroit, I will devote my life to Catholicism

Sincerely,
Splaya

[SammyG]

Rams looking for team-first guys.

Yeah, get TO

[RP]

Dear God,

If you somehow convince William Clay Ford to overpay T.O. and then somehow convince T.O to actually play for Detroit, I will devote my life to Catholicism

Sincerely,
Splaya

Yes please do that. If he gets anywhere near Indianapolis, i might be put on suicide watch.


You know where T.O is ending up. He's gunna be a Redskin . I'm willing to bet the house on this.

[Krimzon7]

Dear Splaya,

I don't love you. I had T.O. on my favorite team for the last two years, and he hasn't brought us a championship. I should've seen it coming. I've decided to punish him for the rest of his football eternity and send him to.... Hey, I'll surprise you!

God


PS. quit with the 'I will devote my life' crap. I know you are lying! Besides you've all got it wrong anyway! The Mormons are correct!!!

[Krimzon7]

Yes please do that. If he gets anywhere near Indianapolis, i might be put on suicide watch.


You know where T.O is ending up. He's gunna be a Redskin . I'm willing to bet the house on this.

You'd be a homeless colt fan. He's coming to the AFC, but more likely A team that could truly contend. I think Terrell will finally take a paycut to win. If so, then Hello TITANS!

[ClockShot]

Torry Holt asks for his release from St. Louis.

[Gonzo]

The trade for Roy Williams makes a bit more sense now. Probably planned on cutting TO all this time. Haha I bet TO is pissed. That makes me happy. :)

[RP]

Washington or Oakland. Thats T.O's next team.

[Triple Naitch]

Yeah, I definately see Snyder ponying up for T.O.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think Baltimore might try to sign him. Flacco could benefit greatly from having TO as a target and Baltimore has always struck me as a team with a bullshit-free locker room. Plus Ray Ray wants him.

[Triple Naitch]

Didn't T.O. already burn his bridges with the Ravens when he said he wanted to be traded to them from the 49ers and went to the Eagles instead?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Possibly, although if he seeks out Baltimore as a spot do you really think they'd say no? Plus as said Lewis wants him.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

How could you say no to this face?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2006/1113_large.jpg

[Krimzon7]

NO!

[Krimzon7]

Owens should go to Tennesse, where they have the majority in place to have a championship team. Carolina wouldn't hurt, Nor would San Diego!

[Shadow]

SNYDER! DO NOT SIGN THIS CANCER! HE WILL TEAR THE LOCKER ROOM APART!

[SammyG]

Someone give us a draft pick for Holt.

[Krimzon7]

Owens wouldn't go to DC. Nobody there to throw to him.

[IC Champion]

Someone give us a draft pick for Holt.

No one is giving shit, hes going to get released.

[VonErichLives]

shawn springs not a bad start.

[Splaya]

I would take TO or Holt.

In fact, if Holt starts opposite of Calvin Johnson, that would be the goods.

[Krimzon7]

If Holt went to Detroit, that would be a solid fit. Culpepper would have two solid threats to throw to. If he could only stay off the ground...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Roy Williams also gets released by Dallas

the safety

[Splaya]

I get what you're saying Krimzon and I agree.

I wish Detroit would take this approach to the draft.

Draft Curry First overall
20th- Malauga or Laurenitis
33rd- Josh Freeman.

I would be thrilled if that's the route they went.

[ClockShot]

So Drew Rosenhaus says that he's got a few teams lined up for Terrell Owens. He'll announce them later next week.

Truth? Or bullshit?

[SammyG]

Bullshit.

Maybe Wash, Oakland, and Tenn. MAYBE.

[Krimzon7]

TO to the Vikings. Childress has learned his lesson. AP needs a threat at Receiver.

[Krimzon7]

I don't think it's bullshit

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I get what you're saying Krimzon and I agree.

I wish Detroit would take this approach to the draft.

Draft Curry First overall
20th- Malauga or Laurenitis
33rd- Josh Freeman.

I would be thrilled if that's the route they went.

Sims, Curry AND Maualuga? Damn son.

[Crimson]

Is it me or does this draft look weak.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I dunno if it seems necessarily weak to me, but it certainly seems like there are a lot more problems this year than in the years past (emotional, physical, etc.)...

The whole Andre Smith fiasco, Michael Crabtree needing surgery. It doesn't seem so much weak to me as it does unpredictable or something. I dunno.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

The last few years have been better than normal, IMO. Big name college players coming out like Bush, Peterson, Leinart, Young etc. Not so many this year. Aaron Curry sounds like the real deal though.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Judging by how many players have already blossomed into full fledged studs already, I think 2007 might go down as one of the best classes ever.

Calvin Johnson
Joe Thomas
Adrian Peterson
Levi Brown
Patrick Willis
Marshawn Lynch
Darrelle Revis
Michael Griffin
Aaron Ross
Reggie Nelson
Brady Quinn
Dwayne Bowe
Brandon Meriweather
Jon Beason
Joe Staley
Greg Olsen
Anthony Gonzalez

that's just round 1. I'm not gonna through every round but I know Weddle, Woodley, and Eric Wright went in round 2

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>TO to the Bills, 1 year, $6.5 million</font>

[OssMan]

lol

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Buffalo!?!?!

I don't even know what to say about that. Just feels so anti-climactic. lol

[SammyG]

lol Buffalo

[Hanso Amore]

Lol Buffalo? What is so funny about that?

Not thrilled with TO, but I am so glad the Front office is finally making some fucking moves and taking chances.

Plus it is a one year deal, and it usually takes 1 and a half at least to split his team.

[ClockShot]

The Buffalo Bills stepped up to the plate.

Well I'll be dipped in shit and boiled in oil. Who had them in a bet to sign Owens?

[ClockShot]

Also, LaDainian Tomlinson has broken off negotiations with the Chargers. He'll either sign a restructured contract with lower salary, or the Chargers will probably trade him off.

[Fignuts]

Actually reallyhappy about this. A star reciever is what buffalo was really missing. Good quarterback, as well as Lynch and Jackson ? Oh yes. Now let's just hope TO doesn't work faster than usual.

[#1-norm-fan]

He may not be a "star" but Lee Evans is a fine receiver. He just needs a QB.

[RP]

When TO realizes Trent Edwards is far more inconsistent then any QB he's ever played with, he'll set the Buffalo organization back 3 to 4 years with his ego.

[Hanso Amore]

When TO realizes Trent Edwards is far more inconsistent then any QB he's ever played with, he'll set the Buffalo organization back 3 to 4 years with his ego.

Probably not. 1 year, maybe, because that is all he will be here.

How is he going to set any team back 3-4 years? Kill all the players?

This Coaching staff is probably going to get fired next offseason regardless of TO. This team is probably going to get overhauled next offseason regardless of TO.

So basically you are just talking out of your ass, as usual.

I like you better when all you ever said was "Bob Sanders".

[Krimzon7]

Are you fucking nuts? TO will be a threat to any defense. Let's see how consistent Trent becomes not that Owens is fucking there...He'll make 'Romo' like improvent...bank on it.

I'm so sick of you twits bashing on TO! Have you ever thought that all he did was offer his honest opinion??? The problem with most prima donnas is that they don't like the truth. Charles Barkley had the same attitude, the world thinks he's fucking lovable. He doesn't devide a locker room, that isn't already divided! Garcia thought he was more of a star that he was, TO brought his ass back to earth. Owens was wrong for outing Garcia's love of tube steak, but its truth. Owens called McNabb out? If I remember correctly, the reporter shoved a fucking mic in front of TO and asked 'did you think Donovan could have done more to win?' and Owens spoke his mind. Fuck that, I want his 1200 yards, and 10 touchdowns. I want his swagger, I want his attitude. do you fuckers in San Fran, Dallas, and PHilly want a great friendly lockeroom or a goddamn championship??? For fuck fucking sakes, stop pampering the motherfuckers who have been costing you championships. TO is RIGHT! HE HAS BEEN RIGHT! and he will continue to put up numbers. Watch him infect Buffalo with a winner's mentality, Lord knows it hasn't been there since Jim Kelly had his last concussion... Watch TO out work Moss twice a year, and watch you all find a reason to call him a cancer.


God Dammit.

[RP]

Probably not. 1 year, maybe, because that is all he will be here.

How is he going to set any team back 3-4 years? Kill all the players?

This Coaching staff is probably going to get fired next offseason regardless of TO. This team is probably going to get overhauled next offseason regardless of TO.

So basically you are just talking out of your ass, as usual.

I like you better when all you ever said was "Bob Sanders".

See the Eagles.

Then talk.

[#1-norm-fan]

Are you fucking nuts? TO will be a threat to any defense. Let's see how consistent Trent becomes not that Owens is fucking there...He'll make 'Romo' like improvent...bank on it.

I'm so sick of you twits bashing on TO! Have you ever thought that all he did was offer his honest opinion??? The problem with most prima donnas is that they don't like the truth. Charles Barkley had the same attitude, the world thinks he's fucking lovable. He doesn't devide a locker room, that isn't already divided! Garcia thought he was more of a star that he was, TO brought his ass back to earth. Owens was wrong for outing Garcia's love of tube steak, but its truth. Owens called McNabb out? If I remember correctly, the reporter shoved a fucking mic in front of TO and asked 'did you think Donovan could have done more to win?' and Owens spoke his mind. Fuck that, I want his 1200 yards, and 10 touchdowns. I want his swagger, I want his attitude. do you fuckers in San Fran, Dallas, and PHilly want a great friendly lockeroom or a goddamn championship??? For fuck fucking sakes, stop pampering the motherfuckers who have been costing you championships. TO is RIGHT! HE HAS BEEN RIGHT! and he will continue to put up numbers. Watch him infect Buffalo with a winner's mentality, Lord knows it hasn't been there since Jim Kelly had his last concussion... Watch TO out work Moss twice a year, and watch you all find a reason to call him a cancer.


God Dammit.

I've never agreed with someone so much and disagreed with them so much at the same time. lol

I love T.O.

I think T.O. being a "cancer" (for Dallas atleast) has been VERY over-rated. People have an will continue to find reasons to call him a cancer, mainly fans of the other three AFC East teams.

But at the same time, I don't think he will be infecting any team with a "winners mentality". He didn't bring it to Dallas, a much more talented team on paper, I don't think he'll bring it to Buffalo. They will improve, yes. Simply based on his numbers. But the team mentality will not become championship level.

[Icess]

Are you fucking nuts? TO will be a threat to any defense. Let's see how consistent Trent becomes not that Owens is fucking there...He'll make 'Romo' like improvent...bank on it.

I'm so sick of you twits bashing on TO! Have you ever thought that all he did was offer his honest opinion???

You are only kind of retarded. If this was Chad Johnson, I might let you slide...But this is a guy that pushed against the grain on three separate occasions. Which brings me to my next point...

Charles Barkley had the same attitude, the world thinks he's fucking lovable.

Basketball is a 15 man sport. It's barely a team sport nowadays, and I actually will defend the NBA to death. Football is a TEAM sport, and Owens is the epitome of selfishness.

He doesn't devide a locker room, that isn't already divided!

Are you high? I actually know some guys in the league, but I'm not gonna throw that around like it means anything. D-Nabb lost his locker room because these guys were forced to pick sides, Was the blame to lie partially on Donovan's shoulders? Absolutely... But that doesn't absolve some fucking asshat that has decided that he's bigger then the game. If it wasn't for Andy, Tre and John would have been outta of there a long time ago. McNabb is an arrogant ass, but that certainly doesn't make Owens in the right.

the reporter shoved a fucking mic in front of TO and asked 'did you think Donovan could have done more to win?' and Owens spoke his mind.

Again, are you fucking high? For weeks Jeter has fielded questions about A-roid. His response...

No comment.

I know two words are confusing to jocks but...

While celebrities are under the microscope in the technology age, it's only magnified if that individual allows it. T.O doesn't only allow it, he feeds off that shit.

Fuck that, I want his 1200 yards, and 10 touchdowns. I want his swagger, I want his attitude. do you fuckers in San Fran, Dallas, and PHilly want a great friendly locker room or a goddamn championship???

Firstly, u r retarder. T.O has as may championships as I do. Your entire argument is beyond terrible, but I'll face the actual bottom line...

"The Bills will be better"

You have no QB, your defense (which two years ago was solid) is suspect, and your line in dreadful. Now you have a receiver that drops more balls then he catches which might mean a damn if one of the best backs in the league doesn't get suspended for 6 games based on ridiculous decisions made in drunken moments.

[DrA]

How can you people not comprehend with your tumor-inflicted brains that most of these offseason transactions that take place usually mean absolutely, positively nothing? All I am hearing is this continuous white noise about how getting some linebacker or some corner automatically makes some crappy team a playoff contender. It doesn't, and it never will. Any success that a team may have during the regular season is entirely circumstancial and cannot be measured by these free agent acquisitions.

People can never seem to figure that part out. The only difference on this board at least is that there seem to be a couple of new morons spewing out additional bullshit.

[Krimzon7]

I've never agreed with someone so much and disagreed with them so much at the same time. lol

I love T.O.

I think T.O. being a "cancer" (for Dallas atleast) has been VERY over-rated. People have an will continue to find reasons to call him a cancer, mainly fans of the other three AFC East teams.

But at the same time, I don't think he will be infecting any team with a "winners mentality". He didn't bring it to Dallas, a much more talented team on paper, I don't think he'll bring it to Buffalo. They will improve, yes. Simply based on his numbers. But the team mentality will not become championship level.

T.O. did all he could. THere was a reason that so many young guys loved him. Owens taught them how to work, and how to be a pro. As Sam Hurd, ask the cornerbacks. The older guys had to respect that. And amazingly enough, TO has been proven right in every statemet he's made...

The polish has come off every quarterback that the media has defended. I can understand how you could agree and disagree with me, as TO is very polarizing.

I think that If T.O had a quarterback that could deliver and relate to him, he'd be fine. He never had a problem with Steve Young. I think if he had a Brady, or Warner, he'd be ok.

[Krimzon7]

You are only kind of retarded. If this was Chad Johnson, I might let you slide...But this is a guy that pushed against the grain on three separate occasions. Which brings me to my next point...



Basketball is a 15 man sport. It's barely a team sport nowadays, and I actually will defend the NBA to death. Football is a TEAM sport, and Owens is the epitome of selfishness.



Are you high? I actually know some guys in the league, but I'm not gonna throw that around like it means anything. D-Nabb lost his locker room because these guys were forced to pick sides, Was the blame to lie partially on Donovan's shoulders? Absolutely... But that doesn't absolve some fucking asshat that has decided that he's bigger then the game. If it wasn't for Andy, Tre and John would have been outta of there a long time ago. McNabb is an arrogant ass, but that certainly doesn't make Owens in the right.



Again, are you fucking high? For weeks Jeter has fielded questions about A-roid. His response...

No comment.

I know two words are confusing to jocks but...

While celebrities are under the microscope in the technology age, it's only magnified if that individual allows it. T.O doesn't only allow it, he feeds off that shit.



Firstly, u r retarder. T.O has as may championships as I do. Your entire argument is beyond terrible, but I'll face the actual bottom line...

"The Bills will be better"

You have no QB, your defense (which two years ago was solid) is suspect, and your line in dreadful. Now you have a receiver that drops more balls then he catches which might mean a damn if one of the best backs in the league doesn't get suspended for 6 games based on ridiculous decisions made in drunken moments.

I'm retarded? You compared T.O. to Chad??? I'll gladly take Owens. How many Super Bowls have the Bengals been in? How many times have they threatened for AFC supremacy?(Ironically this point breaks my heart as I'm a Bengal fan :'() Jeter doesn't make a statement on A-Roid, because he can't throw rocks in a glass house. Anything that Jeter says would be debunked if and when they release the other names on that report and HIS name is on there. T.O has as many championships as you do, but you also have as many as Donovan, Romo, and goddamn Garcia! That's my point dimwit. How many of his teams got the deal done after him? How many appearances have the Eagles and Niners made in the Super Bowl? Mark my words, The Cowboys will not make it to one anytime soon. Bank on that shit. So while your locker room is 'unified' and your superstars are safe, what fucking good has it done to the teams? You find it convienent to blame T.O. like the other mindless sheep. But when will you condemn the 52 people that have stayed? T.O. is the epitome of a wide receiver. Receivers are the epitome of selfishness...it is their nature! The only possible position that can counter the ego of a wide receiver is the cornerback. Football players are massive millionaires, and you're telling me that press statements do them in? what the fuck ever happend to 'sticks and stones'? Instead of getting on him for saying the shit, why not get on Romo for choking? Why not get on McNabb for buckling under pressure?

The 'terrible argument' that I made was only out done by your pathetic, opionated, sheepish retort.