WWE needs a face faction

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by CSL Yeah, that's all common knowledge but I took her saying 'got her break' as in 'started out' on TV/WWE debut since her examples are all different successes on different levels (example Triple H was way more over as a face than as a posh heel before going heel again/title push, Austin's real 'overness' came as a face from March '97, Cena was getting cheered for some time before they switched him face for his 'breakout' etc) I don't think even Lara Emily knows what point she is trying to make here.

HHH got over in DX as a heel (and yes he was booed), Austin won KOTR and gave birth to Austin 3:16 as a heel, when I said got their break I mean just that the moment they started truly getting over.

BTW with Cena you are highlting my exact point, one of the best ways to eventually become a massively over face is to break into the main event scene as a cool heel.

Are you purposely being an idiot or something?

Originally Posted by Jeritron Well, have you considered that maybe that's because by the time one gets to the top, they've been around a few years and they've seen a few gimmick or character changes? That's the business. Especially with up and comers in the midcard. So you can look back on any rising career and pull out that they were once a heel.

No no the argument isn't that faces were at some point heels it's that a lot of the major faces got to be major faces because of how over they got as heels right before they turned face.

The list includes: Rock, Austin, HHH, HBK, Randy Orton, John Cena, Batista, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Ric Flair and the list goes on.

Originally Posted by Jeritron I'm pretty sure the point she was making was that most successful stables started out as heel factions. ABT supplemented that with the point that the very notion of a stable/faction implies semi-heel behavior. It's gang mentality and usually serves to give wrestlers an edge by having a crew. So what is really the problem with those points? I agree with both, tbh. If it's so untrue, I'd like to see a list of notable stables that started out as faces. Citing that nWo and DX were huge face factions is irrelevant. A total red herring. They started out as heel groups and functioned as such for some time. Just because they got super popular and sold merch, doesn't change that. That's because they were cool heels. That's like saying Stone Cold and The Rock didn't get over as heels because they ended up turning face in the same gimmick and selling lots of shirts. Has nothing to do with the topic at hand. They were heels when they started. Fact not opinion. And I don't know why singles careers got dragged into the pot. But, I'm still drawing a blank on stables that started out as face factions. I'm sure there have to be a few, but I certainly can't think of any very successful ones at the moment.

Yeah I shouldn't have brought up singles, I was just making an observation that much like stables most of the major success stories of modern wrestling all got their big break as heels and all started getting over as heels.