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Old 07-14-2007, 05:17 AM   #41
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Was I the only one who was prepared for the PS3? When they announced it I started taking $25 from each paycheck and put it in an account. By the time the PS3 came out I had enough for two of them(didn't buy two though, just one.), a Wii and a nice 40 inch HDTV.
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Old 07-14-2007, 10:48 AM   #42
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This is the main reason I'll stick with Sony. Any company willing to lose several hundred dollars PER console is obviously producing a superior machine, trying to make their fans happier, and planning for the long run.

And don't give me that shit about how Microsoft has lost 1 Billion USD on the 360. I doubt they planned for their machine to be fucked up and full of bugs, resulting in them having to pay out the ass to repair all the damaged consoles. Or if they did plan on it, it means they knew they were marketting a shitty product and just released it to cash in on the market by being the first out of the gate.
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Old 07-14-2007, 10:50 AM   #43
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Was I the only one who was prepared for the PS3? When they announced it I started taking $25 from each paycheck and put it in an account. By the time the PS3 came out I had enough for two of them(didn't buy two though, just one.), a Wii and a nice 40 inch HDTV.
I could buy one right now. I never saved for it specifically, but I can afford it. Believe it or not, there are some people who just don't think the value's worth it. We understand the value of a dollar. And we feel that that much for a toy is a waste.
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Old 07-14-2007, 11:33 AM   #44
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Was I the only one who was prepared for the PS3? When they announced it I started taking $25 from each paycheck and put it in an account. By the time the PS3 came out I had enough for two of them(didn't buy two though, just one.), a Wii and a nice 40 inch HDTV.
As I've said before, I love my PS3, but it's not hard at all to understand why people don't want to buy one.

Essentially, you have a more expensive system, with a blu ray player, that so far, doesn't have a huge selection of games, and as of right now, not many exclusives that make the system a must have.

Graphically, while I have no doubt the PS3 has barely touched it's potential (Naughty Dog, for example, said that Uncharted, Drake's Adventure, taps only 30% of the ps3's potential.), so far, it has not been visually better than the 360.

Right now, if you don't want a bluray player, the 360 looks like the better deal (the failure rate is huge, but apparently Microsoft is trying to fix that.) If Sony kept the price drop long term, get a library of great exclusives, and utilizes more of it's potential, then maybe people who CAN afford one will be willing to spend money on it.
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Old 07-14-2007, 11:36 AM   #45
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As I've said before, I love my PS3, but it's not hard at all to understand why people don't want to buy one.

Essentially, you have a more expensive system, with a blu ray player, that so far, doesn't have a huge selection of games, and as of right now, not many exclusives that make the system a must have.

Graphically, while I have no doubt the PS3 has barely touched it's potential (Naughty Dog, for example, said that Uncharted, Drake's Adventure, taps only 30% of the ps3's potential.), so far, it has not been visually better than the 360.

Right now, if you don't want a bluray player, the 360 looks like the better deal (the failure rate is huge, but apparently Microsoft is trying to fix that.) If Sony kept the price drop long term, get a library of great exclusives, and utilizes more of it's potential, then maybe people who CAN afford one will be willing to spend money on it.


PS3 will be awesome about the time of the Nintendo 2Wii and the XBox 1080. The problem is, right now, all that technology isn't worth the cost. Sure, it's WORTH it, but you can't do much with it, so it's still really not.
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:47 PM   #46
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This is the main reason I'll stick with Sony. Any company willing to lose several hundred dollars PER console is obviously producing a superior machine, trying to make their fans happier, and planning for the long run.

And don't give me that shit about how Microsoft has lost 1 Billion USD on the 360. I doubt they planned for their machine to be fucked up and full of bugs, resulting in them having to pay out the ass to repair all the damaged consoles. Or if they did plan on it, it means they knew they were marketting a shitty product and just released it to cash in on the market by being the first out of the gate.
Whatever way you cut it, losing money is losing money.
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Whatever way you cut it, losing money is losing money.
Not to mention that losing money on the console is the standard business model. Not something new, or unique to Sony. that's like being loyal to the XBox because it has a disc system. Without the billions in losses, the 360 was still a hit every time one was sold. Even Nintendo didn't always make their systems to be profitable. That's a new deal.
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PS3 will be awesome about the time of the Nintendo 2Wii and the XBox 1080. The problem is, right now, all that technology isn't worth the cost. Sure, it's WORTH it, but you can't do much with it, so it's still really not.
Sony will be fine once it gets a decent base. Most developers seem satisfied developing for the 360, and then porting to the PS3. Once Sony gets a strong base (which hopefully the price "cut" will help), developers will start spending more time on games for the system.

I'm interested to see how games like MGS4, Uncharted, Killzone 2, etc, do, since they are being developed just for the PS3. I think those will show the PS3's power much more than the ported games will.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:49 AM   #49
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Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.
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Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.
Unfortunatly not, they already announced a while back the 20gb model had been discontinued.

http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/07/14/ps...learance-sale/

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As the story played out on Friday, there were many people at E3 scrambling to get what the real story was and comparing notes on the madness we had heard the night before. Most conversations regarding the subject started with, "There's no way it could be true." But here we are -- if the 80GB model doesn't receive a similar price drop, we'll be stuck with a new package for the PS3 at the old price of $599.
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:46 AM   #51
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Hmm...

I can't help but think that we're forgetting that Sony had a 20GB PS3 and that that model is mysteriously MIA right now.

Could it be that whoever first "broke" the story fucked up in what they were discontinuing, or could it actually BE the 60GB that is being axed, or is the original reporter (not the guy who posted this) neatly tried to lie to fuck up Sony?

Something tells me they meant to say 20GB instead of the 60GB one.
Could be, except you know....The rest of us are aware.

The 20GB has been discontinued. For a long time. It also doesn't fit with the "Single Sku" method they've mentioned. Since, you know, that would still mean that there were two Sku's. Very specific stuff mentioned in this very thread.

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Old 07-16-2007, 03:13 PM   #52
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So with this clearance, does this mean that they're not making any more games for it, or can you still play games but have less GBs?
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So with this clearance, does this mean that they're not making any more games for it, or can you still play games but have less GBs?
Can I ask you a serious question?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly mentally handicapped?
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Ms Wadding can I ask you a serious quesiton?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly too obese to do anything? When's the last time you could look down and see your penis without moving the fat. I think I saw you on A&E once. I think the show was called the One Tonne Man.



As for the topic at hand. As I said, I dont' keep up with the video game shit but I don't see why dropping the price of a system they're trying to get rid of is shooting themself in the foot. In business, if you aren't making any more product and you need to get rid of the remain stock, you clearance it at a lower price.

Now I'm not sure if the system they're selling at the reduced price in favour of the better one can still play new games it puts out. Is it a product they're just completely abandoning, games and all? Or is it just a system with not enough computerish capabilities for what customers want, but can still play new games?
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Could be, except you know....The rest of us are aware.

The 20GB has been discontinued. For a long time. It also doesn't fit with the "Single Sku" method they've mentioned. Since, you know, that would still mean that there were two Sku's. Very specific stuff mentioned in this very thread.

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Just a thought, but maybe the guy that wrote that article never realized that AND fucked up the reporting.

We see it all the time. It's called Fox News.
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Stickman, the Gigs have nothing to do with the games. Games that work on the 20Gb and the 60 Gb model will work on the 80 Gb model, and vice versa.
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Just a thought, but maybe the guy that wrote that article never realized that AND fucked up the reporting.
Just a thought, that's fucking stupid, given the actual QUOTES in here referring to the single SKU issue.

You know what's a lot like Fox news around here?

Your posts. You don't look at the info and perpetuate that which you wish to without regard for the evidence. Don't talk about Fox News, or any other inaccurate source, until you grow a fucking brain.
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Ms Wadding can I ask you a serious quesiton?

How is it possible for you to function in your own life when you're clearly too obese to do anything? When's the last time you could look down and see your penis without moving the fat. I think I saw you on A&E once. I think the show was called the One Tonne Man.



As for the topic at hand. As I said, I dont' keep up with the video game shit but I don't see why dropping the price of a system they're trying to get rid of is shooting themself in the foot. In business, if you aren't making any more product and you need to get rid of the remain stock, you clearance it at a lower price.

Now I'm not sure if the system they're selling at the reduced price in favour of the better one can still play new games it puts out. Is it a product they're just completely abandoning, games and all? Or is it just a system with not enough computerish capabilities for what customers want, but can still play new games?
Still missing the point.
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Europe isn't going to get the 80gb model because "it isn't worth it".

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/16/sc...-not-worth-it/

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Look out, Reggie and Pete! If Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves keeps it up he's going to take the lead as our favorite executive. First there was the fire sale incident, which you may have heard something about. Now there's this interview with Dagbladet TV. When asked why there's no 80 GB PS3 in Europe (at about 3:40 in), he actually responds: "You know, the difference between 60 and the 80 gigabyte is very small. We just feel that going up 20 gigabyte is not worth it. If you're going to double it, it's worth it. So maybe you'll see something a little bit later, but 60 and 80? Really not much difference."
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Just a thought, that's fucking stupid, given the actual QUOTES in here referring to the single SKU issue.

You know what's a lot like Fox news around here?

Your posts. You don't look at the info and perpetuate that which you wish to without regard for the evidence. Don't talk about Fox News, or any other inaccurate source, until you grow a fucking brain.
When did my posts suddenly become your worst enemy. I'm not spewing THAT much "incoherency", am I? Oh wait, I'm the next Alienoid to you, which, for some weird reason, you hate for no reason, and here I thought you were on my side for alot of these things.

Here's the deal: Yeah, I wasn't caught up on the "discontinuation" of the 20GB model which, apparently, they did eons ago. I can't read anything on that site because I don't know that language. I'm sorry if I wasn't made aware of this way beforehand.

Doesn't mean I have any less of a brain than you have. I just have less of an ego than you have.
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By the way, this came from Gamepro's website about this:



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by GamePro Staff | 07/16/2007 | 12:42:41 PM PST GamePro speaks with Sony's Dave Karraker to get the company's self-examination of their 2007 E3 performance in addition to 60GB PS3 availability and Chewbacca cameos.

Chewbacca holding the new PSP at E3

"I suppose I would have to give us an 'A' for the press conference; I assume our competitors will give themselves an 'A' too, so I would hate to not follow suit," Karraker said in candid form. "I think we really listened to gamers on this one and showed them what they wanted."

By listening, the Sony spokesman was directly referring to the oft criticized high PS3 price and lack of attractive games. "For the PS3, those gamers said they wanted a lower price, so we delivered," he said. "They wanted more games, so we showed them nearly 30 of the 120 titles coming to PS3 this fiscal year.

"In regards to building excitement for the system, I think we delivered."

With regards to Nintendo's and Microsoft's conferences, the Sony executive stayed classy.

"I didn't see anything but snippets of the other two company's press conferences, so I can't really give a fair evaluation," Karraker said. "Sounds like Nintendo had some interesting news on the peripheral side. Microsoft made a nice buzz with Halo 3.

"At the end of the day, I can only judge our own press conference and if we achieved our goals... Did I mention we were the only company to have Chewbacca give their CEO a hug on stage? Can't beat that with ewok."

Indeed they were. On the topic of the newly discounted now discontinued 60GB PS3, Karraker had this to say:

"I am disappointed that news related to the 60GB in North America didn't come from our market. We have ample supply to last us for months and months, so any upheaval over the stop in manufacturing of this model is ill-placed. As we said on Friday, we won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated."
Hopefully "months and months" means until at least 2008.
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When did my posts suddenly become your worst enemy. I'm not spewing THAT much "incoherency", am I? Oh wait, I'm the next Alienoid to you, which, for some weird reason, you hate for no reason, and here I thought you were on my side for alot of these things.

Here's the deal: Yeah, I wasn't caught up on the "discontinuation" of the 20GB model which, apparently, they did eons ago. I can't read anything on that site because I don't know that language. I'm sorry if I wasn't made aware of this way beforehand.

Doesn't mean I have any less of a brain than you have. I just have less of an ego than you have.
"Worst enemy?" Don't flatter yourself. Besides, Stickman's still slightly more of a moron.

I'm curious as to how actually reading information already provided in a given thread has anything to do with my ego. If you have a brain (Which I'm severely doubting right now), you have failed to use it, and to nick from Mark Twain: He who does not think has no advantage over he who cannot think.

You are, quite frankly, failing to make intelligent statements. You've made unfounded conclusions, as well as conclusions that go against actual information, and then defended them on the grounds that you were too stupid to actually think or reason or read.

The "Persecution" Deal is just another mark of an idiot. I'm anti-stupidity. Merely stop being stupid, start thinking, and criticism of your posts will stop. There is no animosity here, beyond what you have brought.

But seriously, you keep making dumber and dumber statements, and backing them up by pleading even more stupidity!

BTW, the months and months comment is unlikely, and that's once again just applying critical thinking.
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One thing that makes me wonder, is that they had to have the removal of the 60gb in mind when they said they're hoping to sell 11 million by the end of the year.

Honestly, they know how well it's been selling at 599, so I'm wondering how much of that number is projection of the 60 gbs left, and how many of that number is how much they plan to sell of the new model by the end of the year.
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One thing that makes me wonder, is that they had to have the removal of the 60gb in mind when they said they're hoping to sell 11 million by the end of the year.

Honestly, they know how well it's been selling at 599, so I'm wondering how much of that number is projection of the 60 gbs left, and how many of that number is how much they plan to sell of the new model by the end of the year.
They probably plan to sell the 60 GB model off entirely by the end of the year, and are banking on decreased costs moving them. At only 100 bucks more than the elite, it seems like more of a value.

This is just an educated guess.

They've already shipped something like 2-3 times the number of units sold, so there's a lot of wiggle room in those figures.
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