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Brian Pillman 28 49.12%
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Old 06-07-2009, 02:27 AM   #41
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this shits closed but the better man won.
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Old 06-07-2009, 02:50 AM   #42
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I've been on this forum long enough to where this doesn't surprise me. Take Pillman out and Ultimo would of went over a lot of other "American" based wrestlers. and that's why I like the site because guys here have a strong passion for Indy's and Japanese wreslting and Luchalibre and all that.

I respect the votes of the Dragon fans (even though pancakes has zero posts here ) , but to me, the States has always been the spotlight of wrestling. From the NWA to AWA to the WWE. So it's hard for me to even consider a guy who got over for a couple months in the States over a guy who was involved in multiple big angles/matches throughout his 8 year run in National Promotions in the states.

Ultimo is a very underated wrestler if you were to take into acount the thoughts of every wreslting fan ever. He probably wouldn't get the respect that he deserves. But to me, Pillman just has just left so much more on the table and such a lasting impact/legacy then Ultimo ever will
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:00 AM   #43
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Ultimos legacy in Japan > Pilman's legacy in the states WITH EASE.
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:10 AM   #44
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I understand that, but Japan is not as popular as the States when it comes to wrestling. I guess that's another debate, but to me, Japan is where guys go to start out and learn how to wrestle to get to the states (WWE now). I bet most wrestling fans know nothing of what Ultimo did in Japan. I'm not saying it's not important, but it's the truth. Only your hardcore fanbase would care enough
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:27 AM   #45
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Wrestling is probably bigger in Japan than it is in the states to be fair.

But the thing is, half the people in here know nothing about Ultimio's career in Japan, and may have only heard about it through some manner.

Point is, for us who follow wwe right now, and any other american promotion that was or still is running today, Pillman easily left a bigger influence and better body of work.

Ultimo winning this thing is fucked up.
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:14 PM   #47
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I cant believe Pillman goes out to a guy dressed up in a fucking dragon costume.
What is your point? Other guys I would put over Pillman include a guy that pretends that he is a dead guy, a midget who dresses like a mexican superhero, a 45 year old balding man that claims he is still sexy, and a fat guy with a huge beard that wears flannel and has multiple personality syndrome.

Stop acting like dressing like a Dragon is out of the ordinary in professional wrestling. You know who also dressed like a dragon?
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:49 PM   #48
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Steamboat, so what's your point?

Pillman is better than him too.
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:06 PM   #49
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:31 PM   #51
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Might be quicker to ask Zen to make a list of people Pillman is not better than.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:43 PM   #52
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:48 PM   #54
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I take it that's the only Steamboat match you've ever seen
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:25 PM   #56
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I take it that's the only Steamboat match you've ever seen
Naw dude, I've seen his Flair series, and many of his tag matches within the wcw.
Steamboat was one of my faves in the mid 80's while watching the wwf, but he was surpassed by many.
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Naw dude, I've seen his Flair series, and many of his tag matches within the wcw.
Steamboat was one of my faves in the mid 80's while watching the wwf, but he was surpassed by many.
By who? Wait, let me guess. Bret, Owen, Bulldog, and Pillman?
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I have to wonder if Zen started blowing Pillman before or after he was in the Hart Foundation.
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Zen, who is better: Ultimo or Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart?
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Dear Diary,

Bret Hart is awesome.

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Bret Hart is awesome.

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I have to wonder if Zen started blowing Pillman before or after he was in the Hart Foundation.
Before. I started liking Pillman approx mid 95, when I got more into wcw.

When I found out he was trained by the Harts, that was like an incredible moment of realization for me that the true greats all come through the dungeon at some time in their lives.
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Zen, who is better: Ultimo or Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart?
Ultimo is the better wrestler.

But Pillman is better than Ultimo.

Here is a listing of pretty fucking awesome wrestlers:

Bret
Pillman
Owen
Bulldog
Niedhart
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oh man, I've been off T-P-dubya dubya since Wednesday night, I missed this whole round of voting.

I could have had the tying vote for Pillman.
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:23 PM   #69
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Ultimo is the better wrestler.

But Pillman is better than Ultimo.

Here is a listing of pretty fucking awesome wrestlers:

Bret
Pillman
Owen
Bulldog
Niedhart
RODDY PIPER
Austin
Taker
Raven
Hennig
Edge
HBK
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:25 PM   #70
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You dont like Raven?
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:50 PM   #71
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I do, but he's nowhere NEAR the same level as the rest of the guys you listed.
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:13 PM   #72
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Not even Jim Neidhart?
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:43 PM   #73
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Not even Jim Neidhart?

Oh come on now, everyone is better than Neidhart.
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Old 06-09-2009, 10:40 PM   #74
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Ultimo is the better wrestler.

But Pillman is better than Ultimo.

Here is a listing of pretty fucking awesome wrestlers:

Owen
I can't believe you that you would have Ultimo Dragon lose to a guy that dressed up in caution tape and wore a fucking blue superhero costume!!!!!!111
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Old 06-09-2009, 10:42 PM   #75
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My original point Zen, which I don't think you really got, was that you can make anything in professional wrestling sound absolutely fucking ridiculous with the right tone. Savage dressed up like a christmas ornament half the time and I would say he's better than Pillman.
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Old 06-11-2009, 08:12 PM   #76
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:57 AM   #77
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awww I would have voted pillman
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Old 06-12-2009, 06:06 PM   #78
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Old 06-13-2009, 11:38 PM   #79
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Ultimo Dragon is a better wrestler that had a bigger impact.He influence not only Jr Heavyweight wrestling in Japan but Lucha Libre and cruiserweight wrestling as well.

Pillman really didn't do anything close to Dragon level of impact. Jumping from WCW to ECW was not a big Impact. If anything,Austin transition was WAYYYYYYYYY better. Hollywood blondes was a great tag team but nothing groundbreaking. The early lightweight stuff with Liger had a small influence in the US but it was nothing new everywhere else.

Let's not talk about matches. Dragon matches in 97 ALONE is better than Pillman's in his whole career.
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