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Old 08-20-2010, 03:13 AM   #241
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:26 AM   #242
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Is a UK retailer getting an exclusive DLC like last year, i've looked around and can't see anything?
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:31 AM   #243
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:50 AM   #244
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Is a UK retailer getting an exclusive DLC like last year, i've looked around and can't see anything?
GAME always has pre order items of some kind. Closer to release, they should put them up on their site.

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Old 08-20-2010, 05:44 AM   #245
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i remember how excited i used to get for these games

ah... to have that feeling back..
scrolling through this thread I forgot I posted that..

i downloaded SvR2k10 for my wii and it has been pretty good. not nearly as good as DOR which was pretty much a perfect game imo.

Anyway I am excited for SvR2k11 after reading this thread. not anywhere as close to excited I used to get heh, but meh..

Quesiton about SvR2010 tho, can you store finishers, or do you have to use them right away? Also I am guessing you can't import songs onto the wii version?

And do you guys think there will be an option to import CAWS from SvR2010 to 2k11... cuz if not i'll prolly stop making them and just wait for the next game
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Old 08-20-2010, 06:59 AM   #246
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:18 PM   #247
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:14 AM   #248
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Some bad news for those who buy SvR used or borrow games (either by trading with Goozex or with friends), THQ raises Online Pass for SvR 2011 from the initial $5 they used for UFC 2011 to now $10 per pass code.

THQ's reasoning was since a lot of customers were willing to pay $10 for EA's passes, they figured $10 was the new sweet spot.

http://kotaku.com/5618155/thq-raises...yer-pass-to-10
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:21 AM   #249
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Big surprise. Don't give a fuck tho, since most games like this I'm either getting right away (ie new) or not at all.
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Old 08-21-2010, 03:38 AM   #250
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Old 08-21-2010, 03:44 AM   #251
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Meh, I'll mere play online.

Hopefully I appear as a statistic of being connected to Live and never purchasing this.
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:17 AM   #252
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yeah, but you might not be able to download any community stuff either.
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:53 AM   #253
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I assumed not. I didn't download any community stuff last year either.
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Some bad news for those who buy SvR used or borrow games (either by trading with Goozex or with friends), THQ raises Online Pass for SvR 2011 from the initial $5 they used for UFC 2011 to now $10 per pass code.

THQ's reasoning was since a lot of customers were willing to pay $10 for EA's passes, they figured $10 was the new sweet spot.

http://kotaku.com/5618155/thq-raises...yer-pass-to-10
Might actually skip out on the game because of this.

I always planned on getting it new, but this shit doesn't sit well with me at all.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:56 AM   #255
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:20 PM   #256
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Might actually skip out on the game because of this.

I always planned on getting it new, but this shit doesn't sit well with me at all.
Um, if you buy it new it doesn't concern you?

Also, I don't blame videogame companies for doing this. They lose a lot of money from the used game market every year. And it's not like they are being really evil about it. It's 10 fucking bucks. If they were being douchebags, they would charge like 30, or not even allow online access at all.

Fucking everyone is blowing this matter way out of proportion.
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Um, if you buy it new it doesn't concern you?

Also, I don't blame videogame companies for doing this. They lose a lot of money from the used game market every year. And it's not like they are being really evil about it. It's 10 fucking bucks. If they were being douchebags, they would charge like 30, or not even allow online access at all.

Fucking everyone is blowing this matter way out of proportion.
They're already upping it. What will you say if they up it to $20? Then $30? By then you'll have just accepted it.

It's not like they don't plaster the game with streamed-in ads already. And that's only going to get worse. I had a problem with that when it first started happening in games, too, and was one of the major reasons why I dropped my TiVo service.

Does it affect me if I buy new? No, it doesn't. But I'm not going to support a game that does this on the off chance I want to buy something used and not get dicked out of online.

Will one person skipping out on the game do something? Absolutely not. But I won't support a game that does something that I don't support.
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It's 10 fucking bucks to start. Then this model takes off and Hollywood takes not and then you're doing the same with 2nd hand blu-rays.

And it does concern him. If you disagree with the business model, don't support it in anyway. It will end up hurting them if retailers are forced to tell people they have to pay $10 to use all the features on the fucking box. Then peoples trade ins are worth less and a lot of people will buy less games.
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It will end up hurting them if retailers are forced to tell people they have to pay $10 to use all the features on the fucking box.
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Hey Has, you already pay $50 to use all the features on the box.
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2nd hand sales you massive twat.
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Hey Has, you already pay $50 to use all the features on the box.
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Pretty sure there will be $50 DLC one day, and it will sell like hot cakes because it's related to Call of Duty.
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Well what would you have them do? They are a business and they have been losing money because of the second hand market for years.
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Retailers could undercut the actions by reducing the usual cuts of used games, since the MS/PSN points may be purchased at their store anyway.

Or 2nd hand buyers could wait until the used price drops further along. Eventually the 10$ will mean little. This seems to occur with annual franchises for now.
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Also, pretty sure it's not going to raise anymore. MAYBE some company will make a bold move and raise it to 15, but would have to be something like Halo or COD. They aren't stupid. They know there is only so much people will pay before they decide it
's not worth it. Given the backlash over a measly 10 dollars I doubt they'd push it much further.
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Well what would you have them do? They are a business and they have been losing money because of the second hand market for years.
If they cut out the second hand market (which is what they're doing here) they'll lose gamers on a whole.

How should they do it? I'd bump the price down at least $10 for all games, for starters. For example, why an 8 hour game is the same price as an 80+ hour game is beyond me.

Secondly, definitely embrace DLC, as they're doing. DLC is something extra that everyone can purchase for a reasonable fee (arguably). Online play is not something "extra", and if it is, the price of the game should reflect that. Ditto to anything that isn't important to gameplay.

People buy used because new games are too expensive. If they bump games down or put them on a sliding scale in terms of how much play time you'll get out of it people would buy new games more. It's as simple as that.
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Also, pretty sure it's not going to raise anymore. MAYBE some company will make a bold move and raise it to 15, but would have to be something like Halo or COD. They aren't stupid. They know there is only so much people will pay before they decide it
's not worth it. Given the backlash over a measly 10 dollars I doubt they'd push it much further.
There's backlash yet there are numbers that back up that this is actually a success, which is why I see it going higher.
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So have the film, music, car and any other physical product industry, they fund new purchases when traded in at best.

But in this stupidly expensive industry, will these costs be passed on to the consumer, knowing that they're willing to pay? Of course not. So we'll let them carry on slowly gouging us by putting prices up with a pretty shady business model, since your average person doesn't know this is happening and he'll be the guy punished.

I'll take that last bit back if THQ are classy enough to make it obvious that you have to pay extra on a pre-owned copy, but they'll hide it as much as the law allows.
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There's backlash yet there are numbers that back up that this is actually a success, which is why I see it going higher.
Then your quarrel isn't with the companies.
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Okay, I'm blaming you, personally, for this.
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I'll take that last bit back if THQ are classy enough to make it obvious that you have to pay extra on a pre-owned copy, but they'll hide it as much as the law allows.
Hide it? The codes are packaged with new games. It's fairly common knowledge by now.

Oddly enough, people think they're getting something extra. Silly fucking gamers.

I assure you the issue isn't the company's actions.
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Then your quarrel isn't with the companies.
It is and it isn't. They're the ones to start this, but if there's enough apathetic people who eventually realise they've spent too much and can't get the trade in credit on their existing games, they they might see a hit in sales.

The worst thing to do is not like it an then hand over your money anyway. Just do without.
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Hide it? The codes are packaged with new games. It's fairly common knowledge by now.

Oddly enough, people think they're getting something extra. Silly fucking gamers.

I assure you the issue isn't the company's actions.
You cannot be that dense. It's hardly common practice yet, a few EA games and UFC. You cannot see the manual until you purchase it, by hiding it, I mean not putting it on the box.
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It is and it isn't. They're the ones to start this, but if there's enough apathetic people who eventually realise they've spent too much and can't get the trade in credit on their existing games, they they might see a hit in sales.

The worst thing to do is not like it an then hand over your money anyway. Just do without.
Money talks, yes, but it's a two-way street. The companies will not stand a 2nd hand market kicking them in the ass, and factor the effect of pirated copies.

When gamers try to be inexpensive as possible, it's 'hip' (not Has or Xero's words, just what I've observed); but when the companies tighten their belts and make moves to increase returns it's evil or whatever.

Has is right about the apathy, but for now nobody's paying extra - games are still 60$.

Xero's also spot-on about some games costing 60$ when they don't have the same feature set as others.
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You cannot be that dense. It's hardly common practice yet, a few EA games and UFC. You cannot see the manual until you purchase it, by hiding it, I mean not putting it on the box.
What difference would that make to the 'fresh' adopter? (Figgy)
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I would be completley fine with all of this if they put, in as big lettering as the "online multiplayer and download created superstars" feature on the back of the box "this will cost you extra if you have bought this pre-owned".

I personally wouldn't want top pay the extra, but at least people that aren't in the know can make an informed decision.
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That's the retailer's role, as they are the ones who sell used games.
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Not really, as it's the games publishers that have decided to put this in there. If they're the ones making the change and not a retailer just facilitating the perfectly legal sale of second hand goods, the responsibility should be on the company making the change.
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