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Old 11-26-2010, 04:20 PM   #41
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What I liked about Booker T's win was that he continued to incorporate the 'king' gimmick long after the tournament was over. Not everybody did that. Owen Hart did to an extent. King Mabel did, but it sucked. Booker T made it work pretty well, I thought.

Does William Regal's titantron still say "2008 King of the Ring"?
The Macho King was pretty great.

Kurt Angle also carried the crown and cape around for a while, which was pretty funny.
It was particular funny when he tried to explain what a king is to Taka and Funaki. "Sort of like an Emperor, or head ninja."
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Old 11-26-2010, 04:22 PM   #42
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In the past, yeah. But nowadays the E frequently pushes guys and then falls back....then pushes another guy and then falls back on him...

If they were to bring it back, and have, lets say, Kofi win it, I'd want them to go full out with the push, and not just stop the push the minute he misses a spot with Orton again, ya know?

The allure of it being KotR would mean so much more, and much more exciting if as a fan you KNEW it would create a new star, or thrust a guy towards the main event, similar to how the Royal Rumble USED to be.
I know what you're getting at, but I just don't agree. I don't think the WWE is that bad, and hasn't shown that they will do that, ever.
It plays into what Xero pointed out, about people just not trusting WWE on certaom things anymore, even if they have no reason not to (on those things).

I'm not just going to sit here and say I'm worried WWE is going to have some nobody win the Rumble and main event Wrestlemania because they are poopy PG now.
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Old 11-26-2010, 04:23 PM   #43
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In the past, yeah. But nowadays the E frequently pushes guys and then falls back....then pushes another guy and then falls back on him...

If they were to bring it back, and have, lets say, Kofi win it, I'd want them to go full out with the push, and not just stop the push the minute he misses a spot with Orton again, ya know?

The allure of it being KotR would mean so much more, and much more exciting if as a fan you KNEW it would create a new star, or thrust a guy towards the main event, similar to how the Royal Rumble USED to be.
I know how you mean, and I used to feel pretty much the same way. As of late though, I've been thinking about it with a more sports-oriented mind.

You know how people complain that former champions...lets say, Jack Swagger for example...start losing a bunch of matches/credibility after their title reigns? I don't think that's such a terrible thing. Think about a sports team that has an AMAZING season, but then they suck the next year. That has definitely happened before, and I don't think it's unreasonable for it to happen in WWE either.

Winning King of the Ring can sort of be equated to making the postseason playoffs. It's impressive to do it, but it doesn't guarantee that you're going to win the championship, you know?
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The Macho King was amazing, but he didn't win any King of the Ring tournament, did he?
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He did. 1987.
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Did you know? 8 of the KOTR events have been held in a New England arena?
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All but 2 of them on the East Coast. Including the Raw ones. And those 2 exceptions are Ohio. Weird.
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I know what you're getting at, but I just don't agree. I don't think the WWE is that bad, and hasn't shown that they will do that, ever.
It plays into what Xero pointed out, about people just not trusting WWE on things anymore, even if they have no reason not to.

I'm not just going to sit here and say I'm worried WWE is going to have some nobody win the Rumble and main event Wrestlemania because they are poopy PG now.
I would actually rather have some nobody win. I want to see them actually invest in a guy full throttle, like Del Rio, etc. I'm not saying I don't trust the E to do it right, as they've been doing an EXCELLENT job as of late, I'm saying that while they did a great job with it before, that was before. Stars are different. Creative is different. The goal of the product is different. Politics are different, ya know? The question was, should they bring it back, and I'm saying, yes, if they do it correctly and adequately push the guy to help get him (more) over.

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I know how you mean, and I used to feel pretty much the same way. As of late though, I've been thinking about it with a more sports-oriented mind.

You know how people complain that former champions...lets say, Jack Swagger for example...start losing a bunch of matches/credibility after their title reigns? I don't think that's such a terrible thing. Think about a sports team that has an AMAZING season, but then they suck the next year. That has definitely happened before, and I don't think it's unreasonable for it to happen in WWE either.

Winning King of the Ring can sort of be equated to making the postseason playoffs. It's impressive to do it, but it doesn't guarantee that you're going to win the championship, you know?
I agree. I take no issue with Swagger losing matches like he has been because, yes, he was a World Champ, had a run, and I'm sure will have another. At the end of the day, he's a former world champ and if they wanna throw him in a program with Orton, Big Show, Cena, whoever, they can do it and it be somewhat feasible to the average fan.

For the sake of example, if they had Cody win it, helped it get him more over as a heel, run with it included in his gimmick, and in 3 years he's still not had ONE title run, or decent program with an upper midcarder, or vet, I'd take issue with the original decision.
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Nice. I was 4 years old at the time. I always wondered how he became "king".
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For the sake of example, if they had Cody win it, helped it get him more over as a heel, run with it included in his gimmick, and in 3 years he's still not had ONE title run, or decent program with an upper midcarder, or vet, I'd take issue with the original decision.
Remember when the Buffalo Bills went to like 4 Super Bowls in a row and lost all of them?
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Remember when the Buffalo Bills went to like 4 Super Bowls in a row and lost all of them?
Yeah but the front office didn't write the script on that though...
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I kinda like it when talented midcarders just never win titles. I'm serious too. There needs to be more of that.
Because it makes the fans want it more when they finally win it.
Everything moves faster now. When Shawn Michaels left The Rockers, it took him some time to get IC gold, and 5 years to win the title.
Nowadays that all probably would have happened in a year or two.

It's nice to still see wrestlers that have been around for years finally get there. It builds character, and a connection with the audience.
I think that's why so many people were happy to see RVD and Jeff Hardy finally get there, even if they fucked it up.
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I kinda like it when talented midcarders just never win titles. I'm serious too. There needs to be more of that.
Because it makes the fans want it more when they finally win it.
Everything moves faster now. When Shawn Michaels left The Rockers, it took him some time to get IC gold, and 5 years to win the title.
Nowadays that all probably would have happened in a year or two.

It's nice to still see wrestlers that have been around for years finally get there. It builds character, and a connection with the audience.
I think that's why so many people were happy to see RVD and Jeff Hardy finally get there, even if they fucked it up.
I can agree with this. I like the build to an extent because eventually you want to see this guy win it all. I loved how they'd throw a bone now and then and have Hardy fighting for the title, have him lose, and then fall off of it for a year. When he FINALLY got it, it was amazing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want a guy randomly to win then get pushed to the moon and win the title a month later. I just dont want to see a guy win it just to do....nothing afterwards, even to the point where they dont even point out that he was a former KotR winner.
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If they're going to have most PPVs have a theme/gimmick, then I think KOTR should be one.

Otherwise, no, a PPV shouldn't be built around KOTR as I think the original reason they got rid of it after 2002 was that it didn't draw.

If it's on a PPV, they should be doing the whole 8-man tournament on one night instead of just the semi-finals and finals.
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To be honest, I'd like it if there was a King of the Ring PPV in June next year. You could have Swagger be the kayfabe reason for it. I believe he was protesting the concept of "Fatal 4-Way" as a PPV, since he lost the World Heavyweight Title there. Swagger could petition to bring back King of the Ring, and be presented as a favourite to become the 2011 King.

More so than the tournament making anybody, though -- the performers make the tournament. Bret Hart and Owen Hart breathed such great life into it, but legitimately being two of the best workers in the world. In 1996, Stone Cold Steve Austin's memorable promo cemented him as a figure the world should care about. Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar were guys with legitimate backgrounds and on the rise.

The more I think about it, the more I want Daniel Bryan to win the crown this year. He's the best in the ring, and serviceable on the mic. It'd be pretty hectic if they had a ceremony on RAW the following week, where they invited Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and Triple H (one Bryan's trainer and the others former Kings). The Miz could crash the ceremony, and it could lead to a match between The Miz and Bryan with both titles on the line.

Next year, I'd give the win to Swagger, just because I think he might need it more then.
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Old 11-26-2010, 07:48 PM   #57
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It should return, but only if they do it right and the way it should've always been done: the winner gets a shot at the title of his show at SummerSlam.
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They should also give some sort of trophy with it. I liked when they did that in 2001 with Edge. A few other times, they had the winner put the crown on and all that.
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The Macho King was pretty great.

Kurt Angle also carried the crown and cape around for a while, which was pretty funny.
It was particular funny when he tried to explain what a king is to Taka and Funaki. "Sort of like an Emperor, or head ninja."
HAHAHAHAAH yes head ninja.

i think i loved this even more than when Edge won, and E&C were talking about doing a "Billy Gunn" after winning KOTR
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Hornswoggle's should say "Longest-reigning Cruiserweight Champion".

I'm sure he has the record by now.
Vickie made him hand over the title cause she was concerned about him getting his ass kicked by Jamie BY GOD Noble. Then the title went away for good.
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It's kind of redundant seeing as this year we've had 3 MITB winners, which has given 2 guys first time wins. The young talent doesn't really need KOTR anymore.
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It's kind of redundant seeing as this year we've had 3 MITB winners, which has given 2 guys first time wins. The young talent doesn't really need KOTR anymore.
Well, MITB is a tool to give a main event push, just like KOTR usually is. So I guess you could say there are already enough tools, but there is also twice the roster.
And there's a much bigger talent pool of young stars than there has been in a very long time.

I can think of a handful of guys who could really benefit from a KOTR win, who didn't win and use one of the MITB cases this year.
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:05 AM   #65
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That's a good point. The royal rumble and KOTR were the two main PPVs for young talent to get their initial main event pushes. MITB has increased the likelihood of pushes for younger talent.

The timing is good for KOTR, because all the MITB briefcases are cashed in, and we have a two month gap till the rumble. The E have been warming up to pushing first timers in the winter months before WM season, so it's a good time of year to test the waters with new talent. It worked for Sheamus this time last year.
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