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Old 05-26-2012, 11:18 AM   #81
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The moment that "made" Cena, to me, would have been that night he defeated Chris Jericho with the duelling chants. I'm thinking it was SummerSlam 2005.
Really though? I love Chris Jericho. One of my all time favorites...but there's no way a win over him was bigger than a win over Triple H at the time...or pretty much ever, really.
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Old 05-26-2012, 12:20 PM   #82
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Really though? I love Chris Jericho. One of my all time favorites...but there's no way a win over him was bigger than a win over Triple H at the time...or pretty much ever, really.
I agree but I'm no fan of HHH either i still remember when he didn't speak english. I spent a few years a way and when i came back he had 5 title reigns. I find out about him and Steph and I'm like oooooh! Okay makes sense.

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Old 05-26-2012, 01:29 PM   #83
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I agree but I'm no fan of HHH either i still remember when he didn't speak english.

When didn't Triple H speak English? What'd he speak?
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:27 PM   #84
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When didn't Triple H speak English? What'd he speak?
He had a French aristocrat gimmick in WCW as "Jean-Paul Levesque".
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:31 PM   #85
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Oh ok, got it. Never saw it. Thanks.
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Old 05-26-2012, 03:38 PM   #86
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Oh ok, got it. Never saw it. Thanks.
He spoke English though, but it was with a bad French accent. Mr. Smoke was probably high at the time.
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Really though? I love Chris Jericho. One of my all time favorites...but there's no way a win over him was bigger than a win over Triple H at the time...or pretty much ever, really.
I never for a second bought that Triple H was going to beat Cena. He was already "the guy" to me. It was just another match to further establish Cena. Not initially establish him. Cena had spent 280 days as WWE Champion in his first reign prior to facing Triple H at WrestleMania 22. He had beaten pretty much everybody and lost the title before winning it back from Edge in like three weeks.

He was the guy, and while I'm not saying that a win over Triple H didn't further Cena's career in any way, I certainly don't consider it the milestone that MADE Cena, so to speak. In fact, I'm finding it hard to think of one that did.

I would almost go with Cena's initial WWE Title win, or his match against Kurt Angle that led to the title win. What I find interesting about Cena's feud with Jericho, however, is that this is when the backlash against Cena started, and I think that has been a pretty definitive element of his reign at the top.
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Old 05-27-2012, 12:56 PM   #88
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I never for a second bought that Triple H was going to beat Cena. He was already "the guy" to me. It was just another match to further establish Cena. Not initially establish him. Cena had spent 280 days as WWE Champion in his first reign prior to facing Triple H at WrestleMania 22. He had beaten pretty much everybody and lost the title before winning it back from Edge in like three weeks.

He was the guy, and while I'm not saying that a win over Triple H didn't further Cena's career in any way, I certainly don't consider it the milestone that MADE Cena, so to speak. In fact, I'm finding it hard to think of one that did.

I would almost go with Cena's initial WWE Title win, or his match against Kurt Angle that led to the title win. What I find interesting about Cena's feud with Jericho, however, is that this is when the backlash against Cena started, and I think that has been a pretty definitive element of his reign at the top.
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Was this the Jericho match that led to Bischoff firing Jericho?

Without looking anything up, I remember Cena having PPV matches with Christian, Jericho, then Christian AND Jericho....then I think Angle stepped up and once ANGLE lost, people were like "OK, what the fuck". I still stand by Triple H here, but it was MAYBE Angle...definitely not Jericho, though.
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Angle was after the Jericho incident because they wrestled at Unforgiven. Months later at New Years Revolution, Angle did a promo where he said he hated black people and Jesus because he could say anything he wanted because he was the best wrestler in the world and everybody respected him. Edge saved that PPV.
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Was this the Jericho match that led to Bischoff firing Jericho?

Without looking anything up, I remember Cena having PPV matches with Christian, Jericho, then Christian AND Jericho....then I think Angle stepped up and once ANGLE lost, people were like "OK, what the fuck". I still stand by Triple H here, but it was MAYBE Angle...definitely not Jericho, though.
Yeah, Cena completely destroyed Jericho which led to Jericho being fired by Eric Bischoff, which was quite the rub. I also remember hating it, because Cena always seemed pretty pro-corporate and friendly with Vince, which just seemed to play into the fan backlash that was starting to swirl up around him.

I had been critical of Cena's character since his Best of 5 Series with Booker T, however.
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Old 05-27-2012, 05:03 PM   #92
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Angle was after the Jericho incident because they wrestled at Unforgiven. Months later at New Years Revolution, Angle did a promo where he said he hated black people and Jesus because he could say anything he wanted because he was the best wrestler in the world and everybody respected him. Edge saved that PPV.
Ah, I remember that Elimination Chamber. Soon after, Kurt Angle was on SmackDown! as World Heavyweight Champion. They needed to give Kurt Daivari as a manager to try and get him some heat haha. Well, that's the only reason I can imagine they'd need anybody with Angle.

This was also the time they were trying to push Carlito and Chris Masters. The two worked together and made it right until the end of the match, but I think they turned on each other instead of making sure Cena was eliminated? If that is the case, that was pretty dumb booking. But I really miss Carlito & Masters, actually.
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I was a huge Masters mark at the time and thought he might actually pull it off. Edge cashed in his MitB briefcase after that match, right?
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