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Old 01-10-2013, 07:37 AM   #41
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Daniel Bryan has been extremely lucky. Before he won the US Title I really didn't have any hope for him, but there was obviously someone backstage rooting for the guy who gave him that chance. As soon as he won and showed what he could do with guys like the Miz and Ziggler, people started to notice. He was lucky to have a decent feud with the Big Show, who was on top form as a monster face at the time. He was then lucky to be paired with the up-and-coming AJ. He was lucky his catchphrase caught on, and he's now lucky to be in this top spot with Kane.

I'm not degrading his abilities or character, he's worked hard and improved his mic skills and charisma to levels I didn't think were possible; but in terms of using him as a benchmark for what other indy guys can do, I don't think it's comparable. Bryan has had a tonne of breaks in his favour.

Generico doesn't have the look or the fanbase to the extent Punk or Bryan did. Let's not forget that those two were "the guys" in the independents along with Joe for years. Generico is a top guy, but he's not "the guy" - he doesn't have the same level of passionate support from the smark world or IWC. He's immensely talented and entertaining, but you won't get anywhere on those things alone.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:50 AM   #42
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WWE will repackage him and he'll prob end up be a comedy character and then get future endeavored in a year. Best case scenario is that he ends up like the eternal buffoon Santino Marella and has a long run being a retard.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:52 AM   #43
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Daniel Bryan has been extremely lucky. Before he won the US Title I really didn't have any hope for him, but there was obviously someone backstage rooting for the guy who gave him that chance. As soon as he won and showed what he could do with guys like the Miz and Ziggler, people started to notice. He was lucky to have a decent feud with the Big Show, who was on top form as a monster face at the time. He was then lucky to be paired with the up-and-coming AJ. He was lucky his catchphrase caught on, and he's now lucky to be in this top spot with Kane.

I'm not degrading his abilities or character, he's worked hard and improved his mic skills and charisma to levels I didn't think were possible; but in terms of using him as a benchmark for what other indy guys can do, I don't think it's comparable. Bryan has had a tonne of breaks in his favour.

Generico doesn't have the look or the fanbase to the extent Punk or Bryan did. Let's not forget that those two were "the guys" in the independents along with Joe for years. Generico is a top guy, but he's not "the guy" - he doesn't have the same level of passionate support from the smark world or IWC. He's immensely talented and entertaining, but you won't get anywhere on those things alone.
He does have quite the following actually. And maybe he won't be as big as someone like Punk or Bryan, but he's already got a bigger following than people like Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose had before coming into the WWE, and they seem to be doing fine and are being pushed. You're right, Generico's following isn't as big as Bryan or Punk, which means he might not have as much success as them, but to say he doesn't fit on or have a place in WWE is ridiculous, his character is made to entertain and have kids get behind him.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:53 AM   #44
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It's kinda weird to think that the WWE roster in 2013 could include CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Tyler Black, Jon Moxley, Brodie Lee, El Generico, Claudio Castagnoli, Chris Hero, Matt Sydal, PAC, Mistico, and Paul Heyman.

That reads like one of those EWR games where you just raid the indies right away. Or Gertner's worst nightmare.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:01 AM   #45
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And rumor has it they wanna sign Sami Callihan too.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:08 AM   #46
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He does have quite the following actually. And maybe he won't be as big as someone like Punk or Bryan, but he's already got a bigger following than people like Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose had before coming into the WWE, and they seem to be doing fine and are being pushed. You're right, Generico's following isn't as big as Bryan or Punk, which means he might not have as much success as them, but to say he doesn't fit on or have a place in WWE is ridiculous, his character is made to entertain and have kids get behind him.
It's not ridiculous, it's more likely than unlikely that he won't make the grade.

Comparing him to Rollins and Ambrose who have been called up as part of one of the biggest angles of last year, against the biggest rising name in the company and as part of the hottest stable is also a fallacy of logic. I guarantee Generico won't be given the same opportunity as those two.

I just don't think he'll make it. He might not even get out of FCW, and if he does, it won't be for long.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:09 AM   #47
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And rumor has it they wanna sign Sami Callihan too.

Stop making up names. Oh wait I can too it too. Rumor is WWE is gonna sign German indy star Herr Hundhausen. Hopefully he doesn't mess up and end up in Vince's dog house.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:18 AM   #48
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It's kinda weird to think that the WWE roster in 2013 could include CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Tyler Black, Jon Moxley, Brodie Lee, El Generico, Claudio Castagnoli, Chris Hero, Matt Sydal, PAC, Mistico, and Paul Heyman.

That reads like one of those EWR games where you just raid the indies right away. Or Gertner's worst nightmare.
And rartings are at an all time low. Coincidence? Nope, stop hiring these 6"2 215 guys with zero physique.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:50 AM   #49
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:21 AM   #50
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At least with all these new little Oompa Loompas getting signed, Hornswoggle will have some competition.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:55 AM   #51
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I've not seen a whole lot from El Generico but I have came across some of his matches and promos in the past and I can see what mike adamle is talking about and I pretty much agree with him.

I can imagine Generico being heavily used on Saturday Morning Slam or being in a comedic tag team with Santino. That's only if the WWE keep the El Generico character, which I'm pretty sure they will.

Other than that, I can't really imagine him amounting to anything else in the WWE. If he was to be a champion, it would most likely be Tag Team Champion with Santino, but that's it.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:31 AM   #52
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Don't know much about him, but no way the WWE lets him keep his current character. I believe CM Punk will be the last to do that.
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I wonder if he'll get to use the brainbuster
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:46 AM   #54
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Don't know much about him, but no way the WWE lets him keep his current character. I believe CM Punk will be the last to do that.
I don't think it's about WWE letting him keep it. It's about Generico signing the name over to WWE. Which I don't think he's dumb enough not to do, this is as big as he could possibly get, this is the most he could get out of the character. And the character and how he plays the character is the reason WWE is signing him.
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I have never seen a match so I'm kind of disappointed that nobody has posted any. Off to YouTube to form my own opinion.
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It's not ridiculous, it's more likely than unlikely that he won't make the grade.

Comparing him to Rollins and Ambrose who have been called up as part of one of the biggest angles of last year, against the biggest rising name in the company and as part of the hottest stable is also a fallacy of logic. I guarantee Generico won't be given the same opportunity as those two.

I just don't think he'll make it. He might not even get out of FCW, and if he does, it won't be for long.
But like you said, you didn't think Daniel Bryan would get the opportunities they got. No one thought Ambrose or Rollins would be getting used but look where they are now. If Generico isn't gonna be given those same opportunities then why are they bothering signing him in the first place? He's gonna pay his dues in NXT and then probably find his way on Saturday Morning Slam to entertain the kids.
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I've not seen a whole lot from El Generico but I have came across some of his matches and promos in the past and I can see what mike adamle is talking about and I pretty much agree with him.

I can imagine Generico being heavily used on Saturday Morning Slam or being in a comedic tag team with Santino. That's only if the WWE keep the El Generico character, which I'm pretty sure they will.

Other than that, I can't really imagine him amounting to anything else in the WWE. If he was to be a champion, it would most likely be Tag Team Champion with Santino, but that's it.
If they're gonna go with similarities to his indy character I see him being paired up with Brodus Clay similar to how he was with Kevin Steen in the indies. Then when they wanna turn Clay into the monster heel he can be you have it set up already by having him turn on the loveable small babyface.
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Again, not main event scene stuff, but that most likely isn't why they're bringing him in.
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Sami Callihan is some small emo faggot who has really good rasslin' matches. Him and Dean Ambrose are about the only 2 good things CZW has ever produced.
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This guy sucks? While I haven't watched a full match yet I would say that I'm impressed with his move set.

He is using some old standards, modifying classic moves to fit his style and most importantly he has some pretty original and innovative stuff.

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Sami Callihan is some small emo faggot who has really good rasslin' matches. Him and Dean Ambrose are about the only 2 good things CZW has ever produced.
What about the technical legend The Necro Butcher?!
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Necro is the most talented death match wrestler they've ever produced, but he had as much glory as he's gonna get. He was an alright brawler, but that's about all he could do when you didn't give him weapons.
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Worst thread ever. Watch the hype video for final battle 10 then watch the steen generico match from that ppv.
You ever notice wrestling fans seem to be fairly unique in the notion that they can someone convert anyone or everyone simply by listing matches like they will somehow change your world?
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:18 PM   #66
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I'm impressed with his move set.
lol move set. What is this, a video game?
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:23 PM   #67
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Best thing that happened to Bryan in WWE was losing in 18 seconds to Sheamus and the following RAW where everyone came out in support.

From there the "yes yes yes ---- oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh" stuff really exploded.

Generico on the other hand, can be a great asset. he seems to be in slow mo in the air which is great. He may not be "THE" guy, but not every single wrestler can be I guess. I am all for roster diversification, it keeps things fresh.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:29 PM   #68
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lol move set. What is this, a video game?
Don't be a dick. It's a fairly common term used when describing the moves a wrestler uses in the ring.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:34 PM   #69
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Don't be a dick. It's a fairly common term used when describing the moves a wrestler uses in the ring.
Yes Scholmez.... the PC term is "Repertoire". C'MON MAN SRS BSNSS!
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:36 PM   #70
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I kinda figured El Generico would be the one to take the ROH World title off of Kevin Steen, I wonder who's gonna do that. Jay Lethal maybe?
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:36 PM   #71
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Don't be a dick. It's a fairly common term used when describing the moves a wrestler uses in the ring.
And it's still ridiculous. Don't be a dick.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:37 PM   #72
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Maybe Michael Elgin. Other than that I really don't know.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:44 PM   #73
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And it's still ridiculous. Don't be a dick.
Please do tell, oh omniscient one, what is the proper PREFERRED term to describe a set of moves used on a consistent basis from an individual performer.


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Old 01-10-2013, 12:50 PM   #74
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Yes please tell me what term you want me to use in the future to avoid contact with the 3 star troll of TPWW.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:52 PM   #75
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And it's still ridiculous. Don't be a dick.
Totally ridiculous to call a set of moves a wrestler performs, a moveset.

Kane Knight, bang on as always.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:12 PM   #76
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Really think they signed him to pair him up with Brodus Clay the more I think about it, Just fits him and Kevin Steen so perfectly.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:48 PM   #77
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He has the physique of Zach Gowen.

Dunno how well that's gonna work.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:52 PM   #78
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Kane Knight's entire moveset is stretching for the donuts.
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Necro is the most talented death match wrestler they've ever produced, but he had as much glory as he's gonna get. He was an alright brawler, but that's about all he could do when you didn't give him weapons.
Being the most talented yardie? Isn't that like being the smartest kid with Down Syndrome?
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Kane Knight's entire moveset is stretching for the donuts.
Kane Knight is pioneering a very precise kata with the fake Katana he bought at a flee market, I will have you know.
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