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Old 10-11-2016, 10:05 AM   #81
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:16 AM   #82
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For anyone arguing that the crowd was more invested in Trish and Lita's characters, the crowd was more invested into EVERYTHING back then. I feel WWE is in a rebuilding phase right now where the crowd has been made used to being disappointed, but there's some REALLY good stuff going on right now, especially between the ropes. Not to beat the PG horse either, but the Trish/Lita crowds were older/livelier than the kid-based crowds of today. It's not a fair comparison, and if you're looking at the bell-to-bell work in those matches, Charlotte and Sasha leave Trish and Lita in the dust by a substantial margin.

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Old 10-11-2016, 10:21 AM   #83
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Charlotte comes across as an actress and not wrestler
Not sure what makes you feel this. She seems like the most legitimate female "wrestler" in years, if not ever.
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:24 AM   #84
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I mean, what made Trish or Lita seem any less like actors?

Sasha...now she comes off as an actor for sure. Charlotte is some next level type shit in my book.
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:25 AM   #85
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The Undertaker seems like an actor, if you ask me.
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I mean, what made Trish or Lita seem any less like actors?

Sasha...now she comes off as an actor for sure. Charlotte is some next level type shit in my book.
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Not sure what makes you feel this. She seems like the most legitimate female "wrestler" in years, if not ever.
It has gotten better, but up until a few months ago, her promos were atrocious to me. Like, Bayley-bad. Like a sixth grader reading speeches off of notecards and losing her place when someone made a snide remark.

She's gotten significantly better over the past few months and become a pretty great promo most of the time, and her in-ring work is really good most of the time--except when she's dropping people on their head. I think a lot of people's opinions are still colored by that first nine months.

But I also think that's true of Sasha. Her promos haven't been great, and her in-ring work has been "scary" some of the time, but people remember her NXT work. I think she's still trying to find her footing as the #1 face of the division on the main roster. Her heel ringwork in NXT was phenomenal, but having to be the babyface has left her a bit lost, which leads to doing dangerous shit to pop the crowd.
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:53 AM   #88
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Lita was a shit promo her entire career.
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Old 10-11-2016, 12:39 PM   #89
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For anyone arguing that the crowd was more invested in Trish and Lita's characters, the crowd was more invested into EVERYTHING back then. I feel WWE is in a rebuilding phase right now where the crowd has been made used to being disappointed, but there's some REALLY good stuff going on right now, especially between the ropes. Not to beat the PG horse either, but the Trish/Lita crowds were older/livelier than the kid-based crowds of today. It's not a fair comparison, and if you're looking at the bell-to-bell work in those matches, Charlotte and Sasha leave Trish and Lita in the dust by a substantial margin.

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Not in 2004 they werent
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Not sure what makes you feel this. She seems like the most legitimate female "wrestler" in years, if not ever.
She's still not good at all in the mic.
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What else was happening in 2004? Seriously don't recall things by year.
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She's still not good at all in the mic.
Agree to disagree there, I guess. One of the top promos in the company right now.
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What else was happening in 2004? Seriously don't recall things by year.
2004 was probably the worst year in Raw history. The crowd was not into a lot of the show.

2004 was the HHH show
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Agree to disagree there, I guess. One of the top promos in the company right now.
Fair enough. She is dynamite in the ring.
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2004 was probably the worst year in Raw history. The crowd was not into a lot of the show.

2004 was the HHH show
Was this the Bubba Ray singles run? Or was that 2003?
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It a clear representation of a persons investment.
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I feel the same way. Same with ratings and "star power." It's not what I watch wrestling for
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It a clear representation of a persons investment.
So am I not a person if I'm invested in a non-draw?
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How would one even really gauge that? They don't ask you who you're there to see when you purchase tickets.
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So am I not a person if I'm invested in a non-draw?
Of course you are, but a person becomes a draw when a consensus if formed amongst a large number of yous,
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How would one even really gauge that? They don't ask you who you're there to see when you purchase tickets.
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Justin Bieber is a draw. That doesn't make him great. I don't happen to agree with a lot of wrestling fans, because they wear jean shorts on purpose.
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Justin Bieber is a draw. That doesn't make him great. I don't happen to agree with a lot of wrestling fans, because they wear jean shorts on purpose.
It does though. He is a great pop artist. Possibly the greatest of his generation. Me disliking him cant change that.
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PS - what a shock that Noid is disrupting a thread by turning it into another internet fan boy bitch fest of Roman Reigns.
I didn't bring up Reigns, you fucking nut-job.
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No, of course, but as I've said to you in the past, there is a market for people shitting on each other in pornography. It doesn't make it wrong or right to like it -- people do have subjective tastes, but if you are being objective then you have to rely on certain metrics in order to measure the success of something.

I think where we deviate is that you give very little weight to the objective realm. If you like something, that is all that matters to you. And that is fine. But it's quite individualistic and completely useless as any sort of gauge as to whether or not something has widespread appeal.

I'd actually reverse the sentiments in your post. It may have been more fitting for you to say "People. Not this person."
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Why should I, as a fan, give any weight to the objective realm? I can't see much of a reason to care about anything but what I like. I understand the business side of it, but it's not any of my...*ahem* business.
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I didn't bring up Reigns, you fucking nut-job.
Calm down Noid, you're getting worked up. I didn't say you brought him up. I said you were turning it into a bitch fest. Which is lame AF. Try to stay on topic like a big boy.
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I need more matches from them. I dont want either one of these girls to get hurt, but watching both of them nearly kill themselves to sell out for the womens division is inspiring. I'm still stunned that as little as Sasha is, she ran over and somewhat caught Charlotte from killing herself on a corkscrew lol. These two chicks are not playing. They are showing up the men's roster right now. Every match they have is coming off fresh as fuck.

Whats the next step...

Let's break the stigma that two woman cant headline a Hell in the Cell. It's time. If ever there were two. These are the two. I'm not advocating having Charlotte or Sasha spot jumping from the top of the Cell, though i dont put it past either to do so. I'm just saying. Lets continue breaking barriers here. I am highly entertained. I want to see everything these woman do. And last night's main event was fantastic just like i thought it would be.

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Calm down Noid, you're getting worked up. I didn't say you brought him up. I said you were turning it into a bitch fest. Which is lame AF. Try to stay on topic like a big boy.
No I'm not. I'm calling you a nut-job because you are insane.
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