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Old 06-19-2020, 09:06 PM   #161
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Did this lawyer really print an official statement meant to be shared worldwide by a famous celebrity on a sheet of label paper?

Good god man.
Chances are he had official papers, but Riddle used them to roll and then smoke his reefer.
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It sounds harsh, but justice is a hard thing to find even with all the right avenues taken so bypassing the system and taking it to social media first seems to be an easier way for people to have their accusation taken seriously.

It's not a good idea though.

This is precisely why the press and jurors are kept apart legally.
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Old 06-19-2020, 09:10 PM   #163
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Ad hominems aside what you saying is that we shouldn't #BelieveAllVictims?
I'll use whatever ad hominem I want, you piece of shit. Stop being such a baby, you spiritless cunt.

Did I ever say "#BelieveAllVictims," or is that just how you represent me because it's easier to be a cunt? Do I need to do a throat clearing of "straw-men aside?" I don't think I ever attributed the quote "You know, she's probably lying" to anyone in that conversation, so how about you back off with misrepresenting me, just because it's all your dumb ass has?

What I've said, and completely stand by, is that victims should be taken seriously. And I've never said that any of these accusations should not be. All of them should be investigated for validity. And it's true that false allegations are statistically very rare. What is your fucking problem with that?

In the Enzo case it was a woman. Is that your issue? Or is it with me? Or do you honestly equate people pointing out that something like 90% of allegations had something to them with that being 100%? Are you sexist, obsessed with me or just fucking stupid? Either way you're trash.

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Juries are generally ok. They get thoroughly vetted under oath by both sides and the judge before they’re chosen and can be kicked off for almost any reason. Then they get read instructions about how to deliberate that are crafted by the judge and the lawyers for both sides. It’s not a perfect system but it usually works pretty well.

I am much more concerned about bad actors and reactionaries who shape public opinion. Those people are dangerous.
Yeah, you're probably right there. I've let a few bad (and probably anomalous) stories sour me. And looking at fans like that one you pointed out is making me seriously question whether or not the public is something I'm a fan of. It makes it hard to put good faith in people.
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It sounds harsh, but justice is a hard thing to find even with all the right avenues taken so bypassing the system and taking it to social media first seems to be an easier way for people to have their accusation taken seriously.

It's not a good idea though.

This is precisely why the press and jurors are kept apart legally.
That is a very good point.

It becomes hard to weed out bias even if you've only heard something in passing and think you can separate yourself from that and the idea of "guilt" or even "innocence."
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Old 06-19-2020, 09:14 PM   #165
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Seems he's implying their relationship was a lot more cordial on Riddle's side than what Riddle's lawyer is claiming.

Plus he probably would have heard about issues with a restraining order earlier since he's very well connected to the women's indies and NXT scene, so if he feels something is off, it probably is. Also revealed he was in a similar past dating situation as Riddle's accuser claims.
I mean maybe but relationships can go bad in an instant and people generally don’t make those issues public, especially if that would cause embarrassment to the parties involved.
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Jack Gallagher being released is a bit of a jar. Just because they seemed to act on that really fast.
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People form allegiances too. Some NXT groupie is not necessarily going to be impartial, especially if he's got relationships with the people who talk to him versus the people who won't.

I'm NOT saying don't that that woman seriously, but if Riddle's side were true, then it's not like everybody is necessarily going to know. Especially if it is just coming out now. If he didn't do it, or things were more cordial than implied now, he's probably handling it the best way by getting a lawyer and doing things professionally.

It's just a shame that the system can fuck over the party with the truth on their side in some cases. If Riddle and Cornette (the two guys who seem to be taking legal action) did the things they've been accused of, then it doesn't necessarily mean they are going to lose (obviously). And it doesn't mean they are going to come out smelling of roses even if they didn't, either.
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Old 06-19-2020, 09:19 PM   #168
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Jack Gallagher being released is a bit of a jar. Just because they seemed to act on that really fast.
I think it's because he basically admitted it.

The woman made her Twitter private, but she posted screenshots of Gallagher messaging with the person whose house the party was at and Gallagher was talking about wanting to apologize to her and stuff and asked the guy to ask her if she feels OK with Gallagher messaging her (she said no), though Gallagher also said that that he didn't remember it happening

https://twitter.com/JayneBkyboo/stat...94427975716865 (can't view the tweet now cause it's private)
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Old 06-19-2020, 09:24 PM   #169
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Velveteen Dream's name popped up and its similar to other allegations involving him in the past.
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I think it's because he basically admitted it.

The woman made her Twitter private, but she posted screenshots of Gallagher messaging with the person whose house the party was at and Gallagher was talking about wanting to apologize to her and stuff and asked the guy to ask her if she feels OK with Gallagher messaging her (she said no), though Gallagher also said that that he didn't remember it happening

https://twitter.com/JayneBkyboo/stat...94427975716865 (can't view the tweet now cause it's private)
Ah, didn't know that. I mean, it's pretty fucked up what he did, and sorry doesn't make it any better, but it's got to sting that you showing something resembling remorse is what fucks you over. If you had just doubled-down and been a cunt, you'd still be getting paid $500k a year.

Argh, this is all so gross.
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Old 06-19-2020, 09:28 PM   #171
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Velveteen Dream's name popped up and its similar to other allegations involving him in the past.
That's troubling given what he's going through. Things like this should be easy enough to verify with technology, sent receipts and stuff.
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Is that your issue? Or is it with me?
I just find the contrast between your posts in the Enzo thread and this one. 4 people come out against Cornette but sure lets attack Braddock's credibility since he's angry about Cornette trashing legless wrestlers.



Noid, when recruiting someone for a job normal people don't put sex on the table.
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Dream's probably the most troubled talent NXT has considering just the drug rumors about him have been going on for years.

Most serious one was him allegedly being a drug supplier to the NXT and PC locker room around the same time WWE was having some serious drug issues in developmental.
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I just find the contrast between your posts in the Enzo thread and this one. 4 people come out against Cornette but sure lets attack Braddock's credibility since he's angry about Cornette trashing legless wrestlers.



Noid, when recruiting someone for a job normal people don't put sex on the table.
Sure, what contrasts do you think there are? I mean, if you make up I said #BelieveAllVictims then, sure, but I didn't say that. People are idiosyncratic by nature, by the way. Get fucking used to inconsistencies in human behaviour, and you're a dolt if you think otherwise, but I'd love to hear what you think is contrasting, because you're pretty fucking stupid and it's probably really easy to shoot down.

Yeah, recruiting people and forcing them to have sex with you is horrible. Not being the one to recruit them, not having sex with them and them still getting a big push in the company you partly own? Not as indicting. I mean, that's not spin, that's what he actually said.

As I said, it'll be awful but just if more OVW stories come out that corroborate these allegations. You'd think it'd be bound to happen now that the floodgates have opened.
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Dream's probably the most troubled talent NXT has considering just the drug rumors about him have been going on for years.

Most serious one was him allegedly being a drug supplier to the NXT and PC locker room around the same time WWE was having some serious drug issues in developmental.
I never heard that.

Talent should not excuse anyone, but it's a damn shame, because there was really something there with the guy. Fucking waste.
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Ah, didn't know that. I mean, it's pretty fucked up what he did, and sorry doesn't make it any better, but it's got to sting that you showing something resembling remorse is what fucks you over. If you had just doubled-down and been a cunt, you'd still be getting paid $500k a year.

Argh, this is all so gross.
Typical WWE. Didn't they JUST TODAY issue a statement that they would not terminate a contract unless the wrestler was convicted? Even only a suspension when arrested/charges filed, but not terminated.

Took them legit 3 hours to go against their own statement smh.
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What I've said, and completely stand by, is that victims should be taken seriously. And I've never said that any of these accusations should not be. All of them should be investigated for validity. And it's true that false allegations are statistically very rare.
I agree with this in general but it’s also a different dynamic when you’re dealing with a celebrity/public figure with issues like this. There are a lot of people out there who will do anything for money or fame or to bring attention to themselves for all sorts of different reasons.
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Typical WWE. Didn't they JUST TODAY issue a statement that they would not terminate a contract unless the wrestler was convicted? Even only a suspension when arrested/charges filed, but not terminated.

Took them legit 3 hours to go against their own statement smh.
Eh, I hear ya, but on the other hand, I think they did reserve the right to go harder on people in the same statement? And it's their prerogative as a company, I guess -- especially if there appears to be more substantial evidence to the allegation than the murky waters of he-said/she-said. It could also be a compounded issue of some sort. We don't really know.

But the timing of that was fucking harsh.

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I agree with this in general but it’s also a different dynamic when you’re dealing with a celebrity/public figure with issues like this. There are a lot of people out there who will do anything for money or fame or to bring attention to themselves for all sorts of different reasons.
Mmm, yeah. I think that's reasonable, and I'm coming around to this line of thinking, but it's still a fucking hazard to go so public with something when you're going to get backlash for it. But if you believe any publicity is good publicity, and don't mind smashing yourself in the nuts with a hammer for attention, or think that anything "going viral" means it's good...

And as time goes on, people's confidence in making whatever claims is going to change, as are how people respond to them.
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:07 PM   #184
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Sure, what contrasts do you think there are? I mean, if you make up I said #BelieveAllVictims then, sure, but I didn't say that. People are idiosyncratic by nature, by the way. Get fucking used to inconsistencies in human behaviour, and you're a dolt if you think otherwise, but I'd love to hear what you think is contrasting, because you're pretty fucking stupid and it's probably really easy to shoot down.

Yeah, recruiting people and forcing them to have sex with you is horrible. Not being the one to recruit them, not having sex with them and them still getting a big push in the company you partly own? Not as indicting. I mean, that's not spin, that's what he actually said.

As I said, it'll be awful but just if more OVW stories come out that corroborate these allegations. You'd think it'd be bound to happen now that the floodgates have opened.
1 person came out against Enzo and you were happy to jump on him. 4 people came out against Corny and even though "Statistically false claims are rare", lets wait until we get more corroborators.

Don't be shocked when people find your inconsistencies funny.
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1 person came out against Enzo and you were happy to jump on him. 4 people came out against Corny and even though "Statistically false claims are rare", lets wait until we get more corroborators.



Don't be shocked when people find your inconsistencies funny.
Statistically false claims are rare. I'm not reversing my stance on that at all. Is there new evidence to the contrary? And as I said, it would be heartbreaking to me if these turned out to be true, like most allegations do. That doesn't mean I want them to be.

Which 4 people? Are you talking about the allusions by Janela and Marella? Because neither accused him themselves.

And what did I say about Braddock's tweet that wasn't anything he didn't say? He didn't accuse Cornette of making him have sex with his wife or anything. Really, this Phil Earley guy didn't even do that. It's like the OVW rumors have gotten swirled up with what these people apparently trying to take him down are actually saying.

That's why I'm saying I'm dreading any future stories -- because they might actually be like "Cornette made me have sex with Synn for a job." Which would be fucking awful. But none of these dudes is either saying that or was really ever in the position for that to be a realistic scenario.

I'm more upset because of the smoke to the potential fire right now. I'm not undermining anyone's credibility and haven't even once alluded that Braddock's story isn't true, outside the point about Cornette trashing him as a professional because I heard what Cornette said about him. Not that I'm not starting to doubt that wrestling fans and wrestlers can be completely fucked, and if they can do these things in many circumstances, they can probably lie about them too. The whole thing has me honestly really bummed out.
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Yeah, that’s wildly inaccurate from Cornette. Your phone doesn’t save the image from when the message was posted, in the same that if you now go back to posts I made 10 years ago on here it’d still show you my current name/avatar/post count/etc.

I’d suggest that those messages weren’t sent via text. They were sent through Facebook messenger, so it’s more than plausible that he went back through those conversations and took screen shots yesterday which would show the new profile pic.
Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?
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Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?
Facebook has always messaging. That's nothing new. It just had a separate app launched in 08 but you could message people before that. I have messages in my messenger app from when I first started Facebook before the app existed.
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Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?
Nah, and the messages were dated March 2017, from memory. I don't think Cornette had anything to do with OVW at the time. I'm trying to think of when he sold back to Danny Davis. He's talked about it. I think he's maybe done some seminars and had a brief stint in 2013 as a few weeks on-air?

It's still possible he used his influence in the business and Stacey said he knows people in OVW and all that. None of that seemed to be included in the messages (so far).

You'd think if Cornette is suing, they'd come up in some sort of discovery process at some point.
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Statistically false claims are rare. I'm not reversing my stance on that at all. Is there new evidence to the contrary? And as I said, it would be heartbreaking to me if these turned out to be true, like most allegations do. That doesn't mean I want them to be.

Which 4 people? Are you talking about the allusions by Janela and Marella? Because neither accused him themselves.

And what did I say about Braddock's tweet that wasn't anything he didn't say? He didn't accuse Cornette of making him have sex with his wife or anything. Really, this Phil Earley guy didn't even do that. It's like the OVW rumors have gotten swirled up with what these people apparently trying to take him down are actually saying.

That's why I'm saying I'm dreading any future stories -- because they might actually be like "Cornette made me have sex with Synn for a job." Which would be fucking awful. But none of these dudes is either saying that or was really ever in the position for that to be a realistic scenario.

I'm more upset because of the smoke to the potential fire right now. I'm not undermining anyone's credibility and haven't even once alluded that Braddock's story isn't true, outside the point about Cornette trashing him as a professional because I heard what Cornette said about him. Not that I'm not starting to doubt that wrestling fans and wrestlers can be completely fucked, and if they can do these things in many circumstances, they can probably lie about them too. The whole thing has me honestly really bummed out.
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Phil did say that, in tweet 7 and Braddock said it was mentioned when they were recruiting them
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Cornette was fired from OVW in mid-2005. Was Facebook messenger even a thing then?
I completely forgot he even had a second stint with OVW after WWE dropped them as a developmental brand for NXT.

His second run was from 2010 to 2011 and left when they aligned with Impact as a developmental system.
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All of the accused come out sounding worse in their apologies. It’s like they’re all worried about coming away with whatever “points” they can by making a public apology to the people they’ve hurt instead of making a sincere apology to them directly and in private.
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Think they’re fucked every which way if you go by Jack Gallagher’s experience. Seems he tried to apologise privately and that landed him in it more.

I guess they need to make a public apology as the accusation is also in the public domain. And 100% trying to minimise the “brand damage”.
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I heard HHH forcibly had sex with a co-workers ex girlfriend. She also happened to be dead.

Where's the media on that one!?!?!?
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