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Old 01-09-2009, 07:32 PM   #41
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I'm thinking of starting a collection so we can pay him NOT to appear.
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:32 PM   #42
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Well maybe they should not pay him to appear?
He still gets better reactions than a good 80% of the roster and it's not like he is on every show. So having him is more cost effective than keeping someone like Val who is under contract.
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:34 PM   #43
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He still gets better reactions than a good 80% of the roster and it's not like he is on every show. So having him is more cost effective than keeping someone like Val who is under contract.
It's not like he out-popped DX. If the WWE wants someone who is over to come back and work a match now and then, they should get Scotty 2 Hotty.
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:37 PM   #44
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It's not like he out-popped DX. If the WWE wants someone who is over to come back and work a match now and then, they should get Scotty 2 Hotty.
Why does it matter?

He doesn't win and he's just there as a Legend who puts others over from time to time. Plus he is a bigger name than Scotty.
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:40 PM   #45
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I wonder if they will put Hacksaw in the Rumble based solely on the fact that he won the first one.
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:54 PM   #46
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I think it would be funny if we went to TNA and decided he didn't want to be a jobber. Knowing TNA they'd give him a PPV title shot within 2 months.
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:04 PM   #48
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WWE can actually take this economic situation as an excuse to end the brand expansion.
How exactly do you think the brand split costs money?
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:09 PM   #49
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I think Dave is just clinging to some hope that all of the talent on one roster would just magically make everything better.
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I think Dave is just clinging to some hope that all of the talent on one roster would just magically make everything better.
Then he'll bitch because *insert random wrestler* isn't on television much anymore.
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:20 PM   #51
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:04 PM   #52
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How exactly do you think the brand split costs money?
Because they have to pay 2 sets of crew, agents, writers, producers, crew, wrestlers, announcers.

If they cant sell out, their costs outweigh their profits, and then they have to cut.

There are major TV costs, which is why they run ECW with another brand...to save money.
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:13 PM   #53
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I think the relationship between the talent cuts and a proposal to end the brand split would be the shrinking of the rosters. If enough talent is cut, then you may not have enough for separate brands, which would logically mean the current arrangement is not convenient.
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:56 PM   #54
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How exactly do you think the brand split costs money?
For that matter, what reason does he have to think they need or want an excuse?

Except wishful thinking.

It would also give them a chance to start booking well, but I doubt they think they need that, either.
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:57 PM   #55
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Ending the brand split would mean half as many live events. Not a great way to make more money.

Even if they still run B-shows instead of, say, SmackDown shows (I know, I know...) they will still be tarnished with the "lesser show" label, although the Intercontinental title used to draw well on the B-Show circuit in the 80s. Doubt it would today unless it was worn by the likes of Batista or Jericho, which I'm sure would be a move derided by fans and the wrestlers as a step-down.

They've invested too heavily in the brand split for the last 7 years for it to end now, whether we like it or not. A large number of their current fans have probably never seen a WWE product that didn't have a divided roster.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:48 PM   #56
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I guess the real look at it is this...is the amount of money that is brought in by two seperate rosters earn enough that two seperate rosters is effecient. The points have are making more money by holding two shows, but at the same time you are also using two seperate crews.

Now I say if you cut enough people you are going to keep the people who are more interesting to see and bring a better television product each week (well, I know history says otherwise, but I'm hoping for what I said to be true). If you have a better show, then chances are they will do better than 1 of the two seperate rosters. However, you are also once again taking in effect the amount of money given out to their crew and talent.

I think in the end it's hard to decide what is best to do without all the fact. It's even hard to decide what's good as a product...remember 7 years ago we were clammering for the seperate rosters because it would help showcase wrestlers we like but didn't get airtime...and yet that didn't happen. Bringing the roster's back together might be a little more interesting at first, until wrestlers who do get showcased now (Jericho, CM Punk, Legacy, etc) get no airtime for the likes of HHH, John Cena, and Batista.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:55 PM   #57
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They've invested too heavily in the brand split for the last 7 years for it to end now, whether we like it or not.
And that is the only real point that matters. There are a bunch of pros to this as far as WWE is concerned. There are certainly cons, even in their minds. But being able to market "Raw" and "Smackdown" house shows is more beneficial than the "TV tapings" and "Also rans." That alone is probably going to keep things going. That and Triple H probably doesn't want to work Mondays.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:46 PM   #59
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Now I say if you cut enough people you are going to keep the people who are more interesting to see and bring a better television product each week (well, I know history says otherwise, but I'm hoping for what I said to be true). If you have a better show, then chances are they will do better than 1 of the two seperate rosters. However, you are also once again taking in effect the amount of money given out to their crew and talent.
The days when ratings were the be-all-and-end-all for WWE pretty much died along with WCW. I mean, of course they still matter... bad ratings would risk the show getting cancelled which would be disasterous, and the more people watching equals more potential consumers... but television is pretty much mainly a 2 hour advertisement for WWE products (yes, that includes the wrestlers) and live events, with a paint-by-numbers wrestling show built around it.

WWE is a touring company making most of its money on the road. They won't end the brand split to create better television because having a tremendous TV show hasn't mattered since 2001. Keeping the TV show afloat enough to showcase the talent and conflicts so that people will buy PPVs and go see the live event when it comes to their city is the main priority.

Two touring groups equals double the earning potential for the company, and having the two distinct brands to advertise said shows keeps things clear and consise in promoting them.
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Then he'll bitch because *insert random wrestler* isn't on television much anymore.
I guess you are right...my bad.
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:10 AM   #64
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Old 01-10-2009, 04:47 PM   #65
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Old 01-10-2009, 04:51 PM   #66
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I wonder if Noid will finally come to grips with the fact that it's just not going to happen for Val Venis
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Old 01-10-2009, 05:03 PM   #68
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He might be able to get a job AS security. Maybe in a mall or something.
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Give it a week. We will start seeing "Val Venis jumps the barricade" scenarios. They will all feature Val Venis with some kind of a rugged beard.
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Old 01-10-2009, 07:30 PM   #70
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By "scenarios" do you mean they will be on TV, or some sort of Noidflic?
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By "scenarios" do you mean they will be on TV, or some sort of Noidflic?
Well both London and Val ARE unemployed now...
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:21 PM   #72
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Well both London and Val ARE unemployed now...
Oh dear GOD!
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Well both London and Val ARE unemployed now...
And introducing...THE NEW...TNA TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS...

Paul England...And Sean Morley!
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Oh god now we're going to get a Val Venis, Paul Birchill, Paul London nWo storyline
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:53 PM   #75
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Of course Paul Birchill will flip it on it's heels when he tells WWE audiences, "You know why I'm here, but you don't know who I am"
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Oh god now we're going to get a Val Venis, Paul Birchill, Paul London nWo storyline
Then they could be moved to ECW, so they can cause havoc on both shows...

Errr...Sorry. Reflex.

Sadly, a WWE jobber family in TNA would actually dominate.
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Val Venis' debut could be their Bash at the Beach
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Now I'm just giving him ideas
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TNA present's "Turning Venis" LIVE on PPV!
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