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Old 02-26-2009, 08:52 PM   #81
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:54 PM   #82
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Well now I'm completely confused.

Had to throw that wrench in there, didn't you, K7?
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:56 PM   #83
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I am so sick and tired of hearing this. If you say something, back it up already. If you didn't mean it, that's what is for.
You've got to be kidding me? If you can't sort through obvious hyperbole to find a point, then I'm not going to help you.

And BDC, I don't know how things can get any less literal than taking points to absolutes. There is no holding back on the inner process there. Also, do you and KK really rehearse together? If so, that is sad.

And what the fuck is a gaint?
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:56 PM   #84
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Well now I'm completely confused.

Had to throw that wrench in there, didn't you, K7?
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:01 PM   #85
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I know.
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Goldberg was, and is more popular than Shawn Michaels. Sorry fanboys. That's all I gotta add to this.
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Google Search: Goldberg + WWE OR WCW OR Wrestling OR WWF
Results: 660,000

Google Search: "Shawn Michaels" + WWE OR WCW OR Wrestling OR WWF
Results: 2,210,000

Yeah.
That's stupid. Especially considering Michaels has spent a longer period of time in the business, and has been more featured in an era where the internet is bigger than ever. How about we divide Michaels' count to equate to the duration Goldberg was in wrestling? Also:

Shawn Michaels: 1,810,000
Goldberg: 21,000,000

Checkmate. (take note, Tedious)

Also, people are taking this Shawn Michaels vs. Goldberg debate way too far. No one was trying to say that Goldberg is greater than HBK overall. We're merely discussing one aspect of the business. HBK made shit all money as WWE Champion. And yes, Tedious, that is an exaggeration. Get over it.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:13 PM   #89
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Goldberg was, and is more popular than Shawn Michaels. Sorry fanboys. That's all I gotta add to this.
I've got to agree. Especially over here. Just heard someone talk about Goldberg yesterday. Of course, we have the "benefit" of having Goldberg's television series, Bullrun, air on FOX8 over here, which is pretty much the biggest cable station we have (it airs pretty much everything WWE-related). So Goldberg's picture is up on the television with his commercials a lot.

But "Goldberg, that wrestler guy" hosts it. People know that. Not sure they know who Shawn Michaels is.
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Goldberg...

Bigger in the media: Absolutely.
Bigger in the business: Absolutely not.

And that's all that matters.
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I don't love you.
We already established in a different thread that you don't like black people, so this is not surprising.
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We already established in a different thread that you don't like black people, so this is not surprising.
May have pulled a Noid back there.
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I don't even know where you'd get these numbers, but I'd love to know how the Big Show's first title reign stacked up in ratings and money drawn vs one of Shawn's.
I can't find the source now, so you're just going to dismiss it (which is fair enough, this is just a anecdote that runs off your question), but I remember being surprised to discover that Big Show (at one stage, anyway) actually boosted ratings whenever he was on the television. They went up like 30%, or something.

I'm not sure if that trend has stuck with Big Show over the years, or if it was effective during his title reigns. I'm also not sure how much money Big Show has made in gates while he has been main eventing, but I do know that Big Show is deceiving profitable to professional wrestling.
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You've got to be kidding me? If you can't sort through obvious hyperbole to find a point, then I'm not going to help you.
Hyperbole works best when the person practicing it is, you know, good at it.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:19 PM   #95
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Goldberg...

Bigger in the media: Absolutely.
Bigger in the business: Absolutely not.

And that's all that matters.
What do you mean "bigger in the business?"
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:20 PM   #96
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Haha....You actually spelled facetious the way I told you to....

No, but seriously, BDC, it's retarded to expect people to always denote when they're not being absolutely literal, and nobody should ever realistically expect that. And if it weren't Noid as the center of this argument, it wouldn't be so goddamn hilarious. Let Noid's "Chris Crocker" squad bitch about how I'm attacking Noid, but something like 80% of the time he argues with me ends up being based on him taking literal that which shouldn't be, so it's adorable that he's casting stones from that glass house.

But BDC, now you're taking the Noid approach. "God Dammit, Noid, I'm too stupid to properly interpret your non-literal statements, so it's your fault!"

Whow, I am shocked. Someone put this in their sig, "Kane Knight defends Noid over BDC".
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What do you mean "bigger in the business?"
Backstage and with non-fair-weather fans, Michaels wins out. With ease.
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I can't find the source now, so you're just going to dismiss it (which is fair enough, this is just a anecdote that runs off your question), but I remember being surprised to discover that Big Show (at one stage, anyway) actually boosted ratings whenever he was on the television. They went up like 30%, or something.
Now this is exactly my point; did ratings boost because people wanted to see Paul Wight, or because they were excited to see a new face thrown into what had been the Austin/Rock show? The parellel question being, were fans excited to see the shaved ape they called Golderg, or were they excited to see the hyped-up beast that was going to slay Hogan and the nWo? Given the fact that Goldberg's popularity tanked when his initial push ended, I gravitate towards the latter.

My point: Goldberg was not more popular than Shawn Michaels. The Streak and the spear may have been more popular than Shawn Michaels. Which I'm still not convinced of, and I'm not entirely sure I've ever heard of a piped-in "HBK" chant.
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Backstage and with non-fair-weather fans, Michaels wins out. With ease.
Define ease.
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Hyperbole works best when the person practicing it is, you know, good at it.
Tedious, no one ever has, nor ever will, love you. See, I'm damn good at hyperbole. It's an easy thing. It's exaggeration. The only way to mess it up is to not exaggerate at all. Also, considering you went into a flurry trying to defend against the emphasis I placed, I'd say it was damn effective in making a point to you.

Unfortunately, hyperbole can fall on idiots' ears.
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12. Shipbuilding. to trim (a timber of a wooden hull) so as to fair its surface into the desired form of the hull.
So Shawn Michaels is also bigger than Goldberg in seamanship.
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Haha....You actually spelled facetious the way I told you to....

No, but seriously, BDC, it's retarded to expect people to always denote when they're not being absolutely literal, and nobody should ever realistically expect that. And if it weren't Noid as the center of this argument, it wouldn't be so goddamn hilarious. Let Noid's "Chris Crocker" squad bitch about how I'm attacking Noid, but something like 80% of the time he argues with me ends up being based on him taking literal that which shouldn't be, so it's adorable that he's casting stones from that glass house.

But BDC, now you're taking the Noid approach. "God Dammit, Noid, I'm too stupid to properly interpret your non-literal statements, so it's your fault!"
I've never understood this "Noid is linear" thing you have with me. Being non-linear in my every day life has actually got me into quite a bit of trouble. Sometimes I take issue with the way you say things (no offense, but you sound like the most unpleasant person in the world to know sometimes), but very rarely do I take anything you say literally. I know you're acting like a cock because you can. But that's the problem I have with it.

But thank you for not taking BDC's side just because you can.

Also, the reason Tedious is attacking me so vehemently is because I agreed with the statement that in one form or another, Goldberg might just be more relevant than Shawn Michaels. Something that even Xero has conceded to.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:34 PM   #106
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Tedious, no one ever has, nor ever will, love you. See, I'm damn good at hyperbole. It's an easy thing. It's exaggeration.
Um... Noid...

Hyperbole:
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

What you just did there in that quote is actually:

Irony:
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

Now, what word am I looking for here... ah yes:

Jackass:
1. a male donkey.
2. a contemptibly foolish or stupid person; dolt; blockhead; ass.
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Backstage and with non-fair-weather fans, Michaels wins out. With ease.
Backstage, definitely. With non-fair-weather fans? I'll give you that, but I think Goldberg not being in the industry right now would have a lot to do with that. When Goldberg was around, he was the guy in WCW. Shawn Michaels has never been the guy in WWE.

I have never tried to make the implication that Goldberg is "better" than Shawn Michaels in any more than one area: appreciation with casual fans and the general population of the world. It's a very shallow victory, as it pertains to a wrestler's relationship with people who have a very passing interest in wrestling.

Discussing this with smarks is a bad idea. We can get very protective, and as we're immersed in the wrestling world, we get quite defensive when someone tries to tell us that "Wrestler We Hold in High Esteem" can't do this or that, and "Wrestler We Know Is Asshole and Had Easy Street" can.

I'm going to try and compare the Shawn Michaels: Greatest Ever(?) debate to something in film, another of my passions. When listing the greatest movie of all-time, there are certain correct answers. Citizen Kane, The Godfather, etc. That doesn't mean that they are your favourite movies. They are just regarded as "the best." I might really like Rear Window, which is an absolute classic, but is just not one of those "correct" answers. It's still a classic, and has influenced so many other great movies.

Rear Window is how I think of Shawn Michaels.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:48 PM   #108
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:52 PM   #109
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I think if BDC and I rehearsed, we'd agree more often.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:14 AM   #110
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Though I do get considerably fewer hits under "Shawn Micheals," so I'm wondering if Youell just spelled it like he did in his post.
Most likely

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Old 02-27-2009, 04:44 AM   #112
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Um... Noid...

Hyperbole:
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2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
Bingo. See the landmark post where Kane Knight actually supported me for further clarification on this.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:03 PM   #113
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I love how Noid tried to redefine what I said. Good job on both the redefinition and the hypocrisy. Now, let's get back to something lighter, like the etymology of chairmanual.
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See, Chairmanual is the booklet or possibly sheet of paper that instructs you on how to put the chair together when you pull it out of the box. Somehow, it is also the same as Vince McMahon because of Noid logic.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:34 PM   #115
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See, Chairmanual is the booklet or possibly sheet of paper that instructs you on how to put the chair together when you pull it out of the box. Somehow, it is also the same as Vince McMahon because of Noid logic.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Noid's dictionary gaffes are all satire. Nobody can honestly botch the English language that horribly without doing so intentionally.
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:03 PM   #116
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I love how Noid tried to redefine what I said. Good job on both the redefinition and the hypocrisy. Now, let's get back to something lighter, like the etymology of chairmanual.
No, I didn't try to redefine what you said. I took exactly what you said, and directed Tedious to it.
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Also, chairmanual isn't a word.
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If you want something to put a chair together, you want "instructions." Or the "manual."
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Noid is right guys. Get the fuck out of your bubble. Goldberg does suck, but the lowest common demoninator always sells. Goldberg was a bigger draw than HBK. I guarantee you that Goldberg made more money in 98 than Michaels did in any two of his years put together. Michaels has been around alot longer, and contributed alot more to the business due to the length he's been around, but if you ask any casual person on the street to name a wrestler, you'd be surprised how many people like Goldberg, even though to me he is the shits. It's called the ability to look at things objectively, a trait most smarks don't possess.

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