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Old 11-25-2015, 12:35 PM   #1
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I do think it's really funny that CyNick has such a hard time admitting that a guy in his 70s has been out of touch for a long time.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:38 PM   #2
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lol it doesn't take much more than reading the results and watching some clips to realize how fucking horrendous it is.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:04 PM   #3
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lol it doesn't take much more than reading the results and watching some clips to realize how fucking horrendous it is.
So now its you watch "some clips"

Maybe that's how a bunch of people consume RAW, where even a year ago it wasn't as readily available. Could explain some of those changes in viewing patterns I talk about.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:39 PM   #4
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I think it also says a lot when they have to "edit" crowd reactions (on replays of Raw and especially Smackdown!) to make "their guy" seem "good".
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Might have been the Observer or F4W that had an article about historical breakdowns and while football has taken a bit of a bigger chunk this year away, majority of the decline is still on the WWE's end.


Even by Road to Mania standards, the audience and ratings have been dropping the past few years.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:21 PM   #8
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Might have been the Observer or F4W that had an article about historical breakdowns and while football has taken a bit of a bigger chunk this year away, majority of the decline is still on the WWE's end.


Even by Road to Mania standards, the audience and ratings have been dropping the past few years.
I find a lot of people with newsletters and podcasts get out of their depth when talking about TV ratings in a historical sense.

If you talk to people in the TV business, you hear about DVR proof programs and their value. Sports leagues are one of the few remaining providers of such programming. A lot of sports execs have lined their pockets because rights fees have went through the roof due to this changing landscape. Unfortunately WWE isn't sports, so they don't have the same luxury. On top of that you have an increase in usage of things like You Tube, Hulu, etc for consuming entertainment. It all cuts into the overall audience on traditional TV.

If you read articles from Variety, they talk about declining ratings across the board. If for example USA's overall numbers were say up 5% YoY and WWE was down 10% YoY, then I would say WWE should be somewhat concerned. But everything I've read, the opposite is true. And the lesson from the Attitude Era was that you can draw 6-7 million viewers per week, but if advertisers are not willing to support your product, you won't see the benefits. So even if WWE dropped to 2 million viewers per week, if advertisers see them as more premium, WWE will net or ahead.
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Old 11-25-2015, 05:53 PM   #9
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Might have been the Observer or F4W that had an article about historical breakdowns and while football has taken a bit of a bigger chunk this year away, majority of the decline is still on the WWE's end.


Even by Road to Mania standards, the audience and ratings have been dropping the past few years.
Those figures match up and it leads to one thing.

SPOILER: show
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:10 PM   #10
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NFL isn't catching now WWE RAW ppl this time, they are just as guilty of not wanting to offend anyone as much as WWE.


There are other avenues in which a man or woman can get their entertainment on, like Netflix and Chill, Amazon Instant and Piss, getting lost in YouTube and PornHub
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Old 11-25-2015, 05:50 PM   #11
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Just as a point of interest, what else do you enjoy watching Cynick?
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:54 PM   #12
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Just as a point of interest, what else do you enjoy watching Cynick?
The only other non sports thing I watch right now is Walking Dead.

I liked Sopranos, 24, and Breaking Bad when they were on. Those are the only scripted drama type shows I ever got into.

But sports takes up most of my TV time.
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Old 11-26-2015, 01:23 PM   #13
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Love how you keep bringing up the IWC like your not apart of it.
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Love how you keep bringing up the IWC like your not apart of it.
To me IWC is a sub set of sports entertainment fans on the Internet. You can be online and not be part of the IWC.

I use it to group the people who watch and spew hated week after week and think they are smarter than Vince and co.
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Old 11-26-2015, 07:53 PM   #15
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To me IWC is a sub set of sports entertainment fans on the Internet. You can be online and not be part of the IWC.

I use it to group the people who watch and spew hated week after week and think they are smarter than Vince and co.
lol I don't think anyone here thinks they are smarter than Vince McMahon.

But to ignore the fact that wrestling is a politicking backstabbing petty business where constant poor decisions are made based on ego is just naive. We know what we see.

Just because we can't do the job better than Vince, doesn't mean the job can't be done better. I personally don't partake in fantasy booking, but I do possess the ability to critique.

I take it you've been to University as you seem a very articulate (albeit sometimes obtuse) individual. Well it taught me the ability to think critically and critique something I don't like in a constructive manner. Quality is certainly subjective, but like I said before, we some how all can surmise that the Rock is better than Barry Horowitz.

Though, much like you, my fellow IWC members (that's what we all are) have the propensity to bother me all the same. You aren't alone in this in the least. It drives me nuts if I hear somebody derail the Rocks work, or call Steve Austin a lousy worker... hell if someone tries to say they weren't a fan of Hulkamania when they grew up in the 80s I know they're lying. These are all things we see in the internet community. And you are not alone in people having vastly differing opinions on all of this.

What you are alone in is being a complete and utter blowhard who thinks he's smarter than everyone for the most part lol.
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lol I don't think anyone here thinks they are smarter than Vince McMahon.

But to ignore the fact that wrestling is a politicking backstabbing petty business where constant poor decisions are made based on ego is just naive. We know what we see.

Just because we can't do the job better than Vince, doesn't mean the job can't be done better. I personally don't partake in fantasy booking, but I do possess the ability to critique.

I take it you've been to University as you seem a very articulate (albeit sometimes obtuse) individual. Well it taught me the ability to think critically and critique something I don't like in a constructive manner. Quality is certainly subjective, but like I said before, we some how all can surmise that the Rock is better than Barry Horowitz.

Though, much like you, my fellow IWC members (that's what we all are) have the propensity to bother me all the same. You aren't alone in this in the least. It drives me nuts if I hear somebody derail the Rocks work, or call Steve Austin a lousy worker... hell if someone tries to say they weren't a fan of Hulkamania when they grew up in the 80s I know they're lying. These are all things we see in the internet community. And you are not alone in people having vastly differing opinions on all of this.

What you are alone in is being a complete and utter blowhard who thinks he's smarter than everyone for the most part lol.
I think lots of people online think they can do things better than Vince, which is absolutely insane given that NOBODY has come close to the success Vince has had. WCW was the closest and they managed to have success for barely over a year, and then they were squashed dead by Vince. My favourite thing online is reading how people say a guy like Jim Cornette is a great mind and a booking genius. He's had stops in other companies, but I didnt see them blast off in terms of popularity. I never saw him create a worldwide superstar. Its a very unique industry, and only Vince has mastered it, therefore I give him the benefit of the doubt on decisions.

The other major beef I have is when people talk like Vince makes decisions for anything other than making money for his company in mind. The narrative is usually things like "oh he wanted to bury that guy because he's from WCW". Has any of the so called reporters in this industry ever got a quote from Vince or HHH to validate that claim? No of course not. But the people who read that garbage, take it like its gospel, and try to pass it off as fact in conversations like this one.

Roman Reigns may not catch on as a #1 babyface, but it wasnt long ago, when he looked like he was on his way to becoming just that. The same Vince that is apparently out of touch, also managed to place Daniel Bryan in the main event of 30 and create one of the most special moments in WWE history. Was he out of touch by having Daniel go down with a career threatening injury? The same Vince green lights NXT every night. Because NXT exists to appeal to a subset of the sports entertainment audience, the people on here say its the best thing in the company. Its the same guy giving the go ahead. Cant have it both ways thats all.
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Old 11-27-2015, 11:19 AM   #17
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Vince abd h being fairly savvy corporate men give corporate answers in out of character interviews spinning their narrative. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put that together
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I think lots of people online think they can do things better than Vince, which is absolutely insane given that NOBODY has come close to the success Vince has had. WCW was the closest and they managed to have success for barely over a year, and then they were squashed dead by Vince. My favourite thing online is reading how people say a guy like Jim Cornette is a great mind and a booking genius. He's had stops in other companies, but I didnt see them blast off in terms of popularity. I never saw him create a worldwide superstar. Its a very unique industry, and only Vince has mastered it, therefore I give him the benefit of the doubt on decisions.

The other major beef I have is when people talk like Vince makes decisions for anything other than making money for his company in mind. The narrative is usually things like "oh he wanted to bury that guy because he's from WCW". Has any of the so called reporters in this industry ever got a quote from Vince or HHH to validate that claim? No of course not. But the people who read that garbage, take it like its gospel, and try to pass it off as fact in conversations like this one.

Roman Reigns may not catch on as a #1 babyface, but it wasnt long ago, when he looked like he was on his way to becoming just that. The same Vince that is apparently out of touch, also managed to place Daniel Bryan in the main event of 30 and create one of the most special moments in WWE history. Was he out of touch by having Daniel go down with a career threatening injury? The same Vince green lights NXT every night. Because NXT exists to appeal to a subset of the sports entertainment audience, the people on here say its the best thing in the company. Its the same guy giving the go ahead. Cant have it both ways thats all.
You think? That's exactly the problem. No, Dale got it right. You think wrong.

Also, you do realize that Jim Cornette was right there at Vince McMahon's right-hand side during some of the most critical re-building periods the WWE has ever had, right?

One could very easily make the argument that Vince never "created" a massive international star on his own either. He's given them platforms, which is what the role of an old-school booker was to do.

What about Kevin Sullivan? He basically created Goldberg by using a Mike Tyson template. I'm not a massive hater of The Berg, but you can't deny that how he was presented was a large part of his success in the industry. It's really annoying when you do this "Vince is responsible for all the good; none of the bad" bullshit.

It's also been widely reported that Vince does not have much input in NXT at all. Sure, he could shut it down in a second -- but let's not pretend he's running that show or a major creative influence. That's just not true.

Your last paragraphs just ramble into nonsense. Apparently you should ask a racist if he racist or something. You're impossible. There is plenty of supported evidence that allows you to see a large picture of what the WWE culture is like, and what Vince McMahon's attitudes are towards certain things.
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lol I don't think anyone here thinks they are smarter than Vince McMahon
I definitely think I am smarter than an out of touch 70 year old man who thinks that poop and fart jokes are the pinnacle of comedy. Now this Cynick character may scoff at that but he seems to share that 70 year old man's idea of what's entertaining so... I DUNNO *fart*
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I definitely think I am smarter than an out of touch 70 year old man who thinks that poop and fart jokes are the pinnacle of comedy. Now this Cynick character may scoff at that but he seems to share that 70 year old man's idea of what's entertaining so... I DUNNO *fart*
Well let's be reasonable. As far as creative and coherent ideas, I think Vince is probably past his sell by date. But there's more to being just a creative mind that goes into the product. Variables that you and I would probably crumble having them forced upon us.

So yeah, while creatively, I can think of something far better than the Katie Vick angle, or having to reference Reid Flair's death to appeal to the lowest common denominator... I also wouldn't really know how to coordinate with a producer how to piece a show together to ensure Brock Lesnar comes across as a star.

I mean I'd get the idea of how to BOOK him like a star, but the logistics and the ins and outs make Vince a genius. It does go a little beyond the storylines... which I really wish it didn't. Plus as Chris Jericho has pointed out, there is that fine line b/w genius and madness, which Vince often crosses. Every 1000 shitty ideas he has and we're forced to stomach, he has one MONEY idea where every thing clicks and I could probably say I wouldn't be able to make that happen. I could maybe think of the idea, but I couldn't be the quarterback and make it happen.

And I mean for every fart and poop joke that is terrible, when Vince is in character and on screen, he is pretty fucking hilarious.
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I definitely think I am smarter than an out of touch 70 year old man who thinks that poop and fart jokes are the pinnacle of comedy. Now this Cynick character may scoff at that but he seems to share that 70 year old man's idea of what's entertaining so... I DUNNO *fart*
Hahaha, how is your billion dollar company doing?

I find it ironic that you are talking about a 70 year old man is out of touch, and you are in a thread that is talking about what a crisis it is that Monday's ratings have declined. You should read some recent articles about what major networks think about daily TV ratings that dont factor in DVR and Digital numbers. At least Vince has the excuse of being 70 years, whats your excuse for not understanding the paradigm shift in entertainment consumption.

BTW - WWE is I believe the 5th most popular VOD service. Not bad for an out of touch 70 year old.
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I tried to watch Smackdown tonight, and honestly, it made me too ashamed to tell anybody I'm a fan of wrestling. Once upon a time, I would have a panic attack if I missed a minute of a WWF/E show, but that time has long passed with this aimless Disney circus flavor of pro wrestling. The saddest part is that I am yet to meet any children who actually watch it or even know what it is. TPWW is the only place I have anyone to talk about the sport without being ridiculed, and I can't even discuss the material of today with even this community because I don't find it entertaining anymore. Is this a phase or is it truly that dreadful of a show these days?
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I tried to watch Smackdown tonight, and honestly, it made me too ashamed to tell anybody I'm a fan of wrestling. Once upon a time, I would have a panic attack if I missed a minute of a WWF/E show, but that time has long passed with this aimless Disney circus flavor of pro wrestling. The saddest part is that I am yet to meet any children who actually watch it or even know what it is. TPWW is the only place I have anyone to talk about the sport without being ridiculed, and I can't even discuss the material of today with even this community because I don't find it entertaining anymore. Is this a phase or is it truly that dreadful of a show these days?
Well Mick Foley and ex-WWE writers agree that the product is awful right now. And personally I'd take Mick Foley's word over CyNicks.
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I tried to watch Smackdown tonight, and honestly, it made me too ashamed to tell anybody I'm a fan of wrestling. Once upon a time, I would have a panic attack if I missed a minute of a WWF/E show, but that time has long passed with this aimless Disney circus flavor of pro wrestling. The saddest part is that I am yet to meet any children who actually watch it or even know what it is. TPWW is the only place I have anyone to talk about the sport without being ridiculed, and I can't even discuss the material of today with even this community because I don't find it entertaining anymore. Is this a phase or is it truly that dreadful of a show these days?
Children tend to know who John Cena is if you ask them. But that is about it.
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also, the whole "we think we're smarter than Vince" is that same nonsense where if I'm angry at the way Sidney Crosby played on Saturday night, you can retort by saying "WELL HE DID BETTER THAN YOU COULD" like wut? I'm not a professional hockey player nor do i get paid to book wrestling storylines. But I know what I like and I have an idea of what is well received by most audiences, the same as I know if Sidney Crosby played crap or played well.
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So remember a few months ago when all the "dirt sheets" said that Vince was letting go of the reigns and letting HHH book more of RAW? So is that what's happening or is everyone still blaming the "powers that be" for RAW's declining ratings?
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So remember a few months ago when all the "dirt sheets" said that Vince was letting go of the reigns and letting HHH book more of RAW? So is that what's happening or is everyone still blaming the "powers that be" for RAW's declining ratings?
Think that was just for anything Authority related since it directly impacted his character. If I remember, he gained a lot of control over Smackdown but not enough to fully revamp the show's status since RAW is still the main priority.
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the dirtsheets are like any other sports reporters to be honest. they take whatever scoop they can get and run with it. You have to take it for what it's worth.

As a Jay's fan, right now, David Price has been reported (by reputable reporters no less) to be signing with about 32524 different teams and went from havng a chance to be back with the jays, to never a chance ever, to a bit more of a chance, to maybe kind of a chance.

You have to do your best to sift through the bullshit. I personally think Meltzer does the best he can to be legit, but even he is incredibly full of shit like most reports 65 per cent of the time.
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the dirtsheets are like any other sports reporters to be honest. they take whatever scoop they can get and run with it. You have to take it for what it's worth.

As a Jay's fan, right now, David Price has been reported (by reputable reporters no less) to be signing with about 32524 different teams and went from havng a chance to be back with the jays, to never a chance ever, to a bit more of a chance, to maybe kind of a chance.

You have to do your best to sift through the bullshit. I personally think Meltzer does the best he can to be legit, but even he is incredibly full of shit like most reports 65 per cent of the time.
I see a major difference. A real sports reporter will actually try to get info from the source, and then possibly speculate. Never seem Dave or any of those guys get a quote from Hunter or Vince. Or even day they were reached out but didn't comment. Why? Because they don't want real information. They just want to spin their own narrative.

What Meltzer and co have built a business around is outright lies and passing off the personal speculation as fact. For example the motivation behind not pushing certain guys. It would be like a sports reporter saying a GM is terrible because he didn't pull the trigger of a ficticious trade that was never presented. There are guys like that in real sports, but they are bloggers, and real media outlets would never awknowledge them because it's known they are full of crap. The problem is the Melter Bots just repeat what he "reports" as fact.
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No human being is perfect though Cynick, his motives are not pure money, everyone has their pride, arrogance and personal likes and dislikes to stop us from being robots.

Is it so strange to think that Vince might not have gone for certain things because they weren't his creations or characters, for example.

He has proven, with the likes of Punk and Bryan that if he sees cash, he can be flexible, but it is unrealistic to think he hasn't made bad decisions based on other factors before.

He is a genius, and is rightly heralded as such, but we have seen this before in WWE before WCW tackled them. Even the best of us get in a rut and get too comfortable.
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No human being is perfect though Cynick, his motives are not pure money, everyone has their pride, arrogance and personal likes and dislikes to stop us from being robots.

Is it so strange to think that Vince might not have gone for certain things because they weren't his creations or characters, for example.

He has proven, with the likes of Punk and Bryan that if he sees cash, he can be flexible, but it is unrealistic to think he hasn't made bad decisions based on other factors before.

He is a genius, and is rightly heralded as such, but we have seen this before in WWE before WCW tackled them. Even the best of us get in a rut and get too comfortable.
And of course I have never once said Vince is perfect. If you asked someone on here do I think Vince is perfect, they would say yes, but thats because most people on here read what they want to read, not what is actually written.

No, I think at the end of the day Vince does what HE THINKS is what the fans want, because in the long run, thats best for business. The guy has THE MOST PROFITABLE company in the history of the entire industry. Thats not by accident.

Its more than Punk and Bryan. In 2004 he pushed Eddie and Benoit. If you go by the Dirt Sheet Playbook, those guys had multiple strikes against them; "WCW guys", "midgets", one of them couldnt cut a promo if his life depended on it, etc. Yet somehow those guys were pushed to the moon. But since that doesnt fit into the narrative, its largely ignored.

In all honesty, its overblown on here. The majority of people liked the low rent elements of the Attitude Era, and a result, they say the current era sucks. Ive been watching since the early to mid 80s, and I still enjoy it. But my opinion doesnt count because it goes against the Dirst Sheet Playbook.
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But my opinion doesnt count because it goes against the Dirst Sheet Playbook.
Incorrect.
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I see a major difference. A real sports reporter will actually try to get info from the source, and then possibly speculate. Never seem Dave or any of those guys get a quote from Hunter or Vince. Or even day they were reached out but didn't comment. Why? Because they don't want real information. They just want to spin their own narrative.

What Meltzer and co have built a business around is outright lies and passing off the personal speculation as fact. For example the motivation behind not pushing certain guys. It would be like a sports reporter saying a GM is terrible because he didn't pull the trigger of a ficticious trade that was never presented. There are guys like that in real sports, but they are bloggers, and real media outlets would never awknowledge them because it's known they are full of crap. The problem is the Melter Bots just repeat what he "reports" as fact.
So because they don't get their info straight from the top, they're not legit reporters or don't have legit inside sources?

You can't compare real sports reporting to WWE reporting. Real sports reporters have actual access to the top coaches, players, staff, etc., through league mandated/required weekly press conferences, media days, etc. Not only that but many of the best sports coaches, teams, etc., are often highly secretive or sandbag reporters regarding game plans, deal negotiations, injuries, etc. With the exception of the NFL's mandatory injury reporting being the strictest regarding info that teams are required to disclose.

WWE doesn't have mandatory weekly press conferences or media days with the upper level executives, talent or staff regarding game plans, deal negotiations, injuries, etc. WWE doesn't want to reveal their secrets or have a narrative get out that they don't control. There's no benefit to Vince or HHH answering questions about creative plans, etc. so they don't even allow the opportunity. There's also no benefit to the top coaches, talent, staff of real sports teams answering questions about game plans, etc. The difference is obviously most are required to provide the opportunity in real sports.

Don't get me wrong, there are many WWE sites/"reporters", including guys like TPWW's own Ryan Clark who just subscribe to Meltzer's work and then re-write it and pass it off as there own like they have inside sources. Those guys are horrible. To disparage Meltzer as some kind of guy who doesn't have inside info is stupid though. His info isn't always solid but find me someone reporting on an industry as unique as pro wrestling and you'll find that often their sources aren't always accurate either.
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So because they don't get their info straight from the top, they're not legit reporters or don't have legit inside sources?

You can't compare real sports reporting to WWE reporting. Real sports reporters have actual access to the top coaches, players, staff, etc., through league mandated/required weekly press conferences, media days, etc. Not only that but many of the best sports coaches, teams, etc., are often highly secretive or sandbag reporters regarding game plans, deal negotiations, injuries, etc. With the exception of the NFL's mandatory injury reporting being the strictest regarding info that teams are required to disclose.

WWE doesn't have mandatory weekly press conferences or media days with the upper level executives, talent or staff regarding game plans, deal negotiations, injuries, etc. WWE doesn't want to reveal their secrets or have a narrative get out that they don't control. There's no benefit to Vince or HHH answering questions about creative plans, etc. so they don't even allow the opportunity. There's also no benefit to the top coaches, talent, staff of real sports teams answering questions about game plans, etc. The difference is obviously most are required to provide the opportunity in real sports.

Don't get me wrong, there are many WWE sites/"reporters", including guys like TPWW's own Ryan Clark who just subscribe to Meltzer's work and then re-write it and pass it off as there own like they have inside sources. Those guys are horrible. To disparage Meltzer as some kind of guy who doesn't have inside info is stupid though. His info isn't always solid but find me someone reporting on an industry as unique as pro wrestling and you'll find that often their sources aren't always accurate either.
They are just terrible reporters. Actually, check that, they are just NOT reporters. But they like to pass themselves off like they are. Vince has done interviews in the past where he's shooting. He did the one with Austin, and Austin hit him with questions that were controversial, and Vince answered them without blinking an eye. And that was on his own Network, so obviously he's not afraid to pull back the curtain. The problem with the Dirt Sheets is that if they were to interview Vince, they wouldn't have the ability to lean on "sources say" to carry on their lies. And without the lies, they dont have the "controversies" to read about in their Dirt Sheets.

I've heard Triple H discuss backstage things in different setting. He was interviewed by Chris Jericho, and was very open about the behind the scenes happening. But what happens is when the Dirt Sheet guys get quotes that dont fit their narrative, they just ignore it as "well he's just working".

I dont know why you are hating on Ryan. Anything I see posted gives credit to whatever publication they are pulling the info from. Its the guys like Dave (there are others too, I just mention him specifically because he's the top guy) that pass themselves off as "insiders", when the reality is they have no connections to the top levels of the creative workings of WWE.

Survivor Series is one of probably 100 examples of shoddy reporting. The reports going into SurvSer was "WWE is deciding between Reigns and Ambrose for champion". When the tournament was first revealed, most people on here GUESSED that Reigns and Ambrose would end up in the Finals. I think Noid nailed the Final Four perfectly. Does that mean he's an "insider" or was it just the most logical booking? So the Dirst Sheet writers run with that GUESS and pass it off as "inside information". Then when they are WRONG, they backtrack and run with the classic excuse "well WWE changes their mind all the time, so there was chaos, and a last minute change resulted in Sheamus as champ". Why not just ask Vince or Hunter if there was a last minute change? Because it doesn't work with their narrative.
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Why not just ask Vince or Hunter if there was a last minute change? Because it doesn't work with their narrative.
Are you dense or do you lack reading comprehension abilities? I just told you why. They don't have access to Vince or HHH.

Guys like Jericho and Austin do. Not only that, but by going on with Jericho or Austin, (especially on WWE Network) they can still control more of the the narrative. I.e., "Don't ask me any questions about future creative plans."

I'm not saying HHH or Vince won't be honest when being interviewed by someone like Austin or Jericho, but it's always questions about things after the fact. In their interviews with HHH or Vince, Austin and Jericho aren't asking what the future creative plans are.

In comparison, you can have reporters who know people working in the company who are privy to future/upcoming creative and/or business decisions who will share them prior to them occurring.
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Old 11-27-2015, 04:07 PM   #39
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Didn't HHH say in the Stone Cold podcast that its frustrating that the internet nerds know more about that is going on sometimes than the actual writers? Pretty sure that occurred in some form in the past year.
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Didn't HHH say in the Stone Cold podcast that its frustrating that the internet nerds know more about that is going on sometimes than the actual writers? Pretty sure that occurred in some form in the past year.
He definitely said it recently in response to some criticism or something. And I'm sure he has a point -- even in the territory days when one person had the book, you'd still have to juggle egos, politics, injuries and all that sort of thing. Now you do have merchandising agreements, licencing agreements, video game placements, network relations, international television agreements, contracts and many things on top of that. With all that being said, the WWE is not being forced to have a shitty product right now.

The fact that the format is the same, tired old thing each and every week just fucking sucks. It's bad television, as any writer could tell you. Redundancy is a cardinal sin, and I can't remember the last time a Stephanie McMahon promo had a point. In fact, last week she actually said "As you just said" to preface what she was saying. Fucking yawn. Maybe Bonnie Hammer or whatever her name is wants McMahons on television. Well, the McMahons can still explain that their appearances are worth more when they are sporadic. If that doesn't get through, you can still drip them in effectively over an episode, instead of the storytime segments off top.

And that's down to Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn. They think that is a "hook" at the start of their show in 2015. Okay, fine. Well, your hook is not fighting the downward trend in ratings.
"Oh, but television is changing!"
RAW is a live program designed for prime-time viewing on a Monday night. It's broken people's viewing habits, and people aren't watching live anymore. What happened to that experience? What happened to that "catch it as it happens" edge that the program used to have? Was it the hot-shotting of the Attitude era? Possibly, but there's no doubt that people are finding the product sterile. Is it overexposure and product fatigue?

There are far more people who WANT to watch than are watching. Not everybody who likes watching wrestling is watching WWE, and that is a realistic grab of an audience they are missing. The other day, I heard a kid talking about Rey Mysterio and Shawn Michaels. Neither is involved in the WWE product currently. Are the WWE Network subscriptions for the current product, or are they for the nostalgia material?

In the past, I've wanted to see guys pushed, only to later learn that they weren't really a great worker and I didn't understand the fuck-ups they were making. Attitude problems come to the surface. But that being said, it doesn't excuse the WWE for booking the current crop of guys they do SO FUCKING BADLY! I no longer care about them! That's not me saying "I could do better". I know a lot of people who could make me care about them more though. And I am a fan, I do have an opinion, I do have a critical eye for what I do and don't enjoy, so let me tell you -- the current WWE fucking sucks. I WISH it didn't. But it does. And the big problem is with them and not others.
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