Tables, Ladders, & Podcast - Current episode: #74 (October 22, 2014)

[Afterlife]

WWF Fan and CSL like Randy Orton.

Narc, Afterlife, and Nowhere Man do not like Randy Orton.

They all have trouble expressing their opinions about Randy Orton, without resorting to calling each other buttfaces.

I have just summed up the thread for those who don't feel like reading it all.

Hey. The anti-Orton group was very good at expressing themselves. And I didn't "resort" to name calling, I just got bored with Fan's twitchy little spazfest.

[#1-norm-fan]

Are you drunk?

... Yes...

[#1-norm-fan]

Jesus Christ, Afterlife. lol

[MoFo]

WWF Fan and CSL like Randy Orton.

Narc, Afterlife, and Nowhere Man do not like Randy Orton.

They all have trouble expressing their opinions about Randy Orton, without resorting to calling each other buttfaces.

I have just summed up the thread for those who don't feel like reading it all.



I wished you'd of posted this on page 1.

[Big Vic]

The promo style between Cody and Randy were similar with the videos posted a few pages back. Orton is still boring to me though.

[XL]

The line about AL not liking things that are popular because he confuses being contrary for having good taste got a laugh out of me.

[Lock Jaw]

What the hell is going on in this thread. I come home and it is suddenly 7 pages long.

[#1-norm-fan]

The next 7 pages are going to be people remarking one how many pages there are.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Man, there are a lot of pages in this thread.

[Mr. Nerfect]

CSL is a fantastic poster and is pretty much right about wrestling all the time. If he says Randy Orton is good, I'd take it more seriously than fan, who sometimes has good thoughts, but he can't seem to concede some simple things:

1) Alex Riley is over. Whenever he shows up on Superstars he gets a surprisingly good pop every time. If you want to use Randy Orton's overness as "evidence" of some mysterious level of talent, then you have to put Alex Riley into a stratosphere of ability above, say, Antonio Cesaro right? I mean, it is you who implied that things that are similar must be the same right?

2) That it's not just how someone talks, it's why they are talking like that. Yelling for no reason is not needed in a promo. Whispering for no reason is not needed in a promo. Talking...slowly...is...not...always...needed. There are times and places. You don't need to like a guy talking slowly in one context and then apply that to every single other context, as much as you'd like Cody Rhodes to make Randy Orton a better promo by default.

3) Cruiserweights get buried in the WWE. See the entire history of the WWE Cruiserweight Division when it was around for evidence. Smaller guys are better off just being smaller guys.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's not so much the like of Randy Orton that bothers me. I do get it, because the guy has had some good matches, he is over, he looks the part and oozes credibility even when he hasn't won a World Title in over a year. Presence. Orton has that in spades. Except when I forget he exists (which I have legitimately done -- no kidding). It's just the insults being thrown at Cody Rhodes, who has surely channelled Orton with some of his ring work and promo techniques, but hasn't exactly duplicated him. It is possible to enjoy one and not the other. Much like how I enjoy Antonio Cesaro more than I enjoy Wade Barrett, even though they are both big European heels. I'm not even saying that Cesaro is better than Barrett (who is brilliant on the mic), but it's just a personal preference.

[#1-norm-fan]

"CONCEDE THESE POINTS!"

No, Noid. I find your points to be silly. You finding them not to be silly doesn't mean "Well then you must concede!" Alex Riley is pure shit and if people still pop for him on Superstars, kudos. He was over on the Raw brand for a bit. There's a reason he isn't still on the main shows anymore. He's atrocious. Cody and Orton both have their reasons for their promo style and I can't think of a single cruiserweight who has ever been hurt because a cruiserweight division exists.

I mean... I've shown you enough examples of Alex Riley being a fuck up and being awful when asked to speak and you've been unwilling to accept them. You do not concede points. This "But you just don't concede and say I'm right" gripe is not a one way train. For that or any issue.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Alex Riley is not awful. He's not great, but when he is on he is on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cruiserweights were treated like a joke until the WWE dropped the division. It used to break my heart.

[#1-norm-fan]

Alex Riley is not awful.

Yes he is.

You see where we stand now. This is where I post videos of him attacking his teammates like a retard, botching moves and saying cringeworthy stuff and being awkward and you reject them all and tell me he's great. And then we end up on page 14 still arguing the same shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cruiserweights were treated like a joke until the WWE dropped the division. It used to break my heart.

... Tyson Kidd was my example. Do you really think he'd be treated worse simply because he's fighting for a title against someone like Justin Gabriel?

[CSL]

lots of CSL mentions over the last few pages, I like it #slag

[Nark Order]

By the way, we'll be pulling in people here and there to do the podcast as guest hosts. If you'd like in, private message me your skype info.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Not you, #1-wwf-fan. ;)

[Nark Order]

Actually, that might be fun.

[CSL]

By the way, we'll be pulling in people here and there to do the podcast as guest hosts. If you'd like in, private message me your skype info.

well that's Seth82 out

[#1-norm-fan]

I agree with most of the other stuff that was discussed. I'm afraid you would not get the heated debates you assume you would with me.

[Lock Jaw]

Special Randy Orton Edition Featuring Hashtag 1-wwf-fan

[Nark Order]

Loopydate wants in for Episode 3. He's in. Look forward to that. Should be good. Anyone else that would like to pop in on a future episode let us know. Do understand that we reserve the right to decline but I'm thinking we won't have to do that unless its a poster that is a known sock or troll. And even then, it might be fun to toy around with a situation like that.

[owenbrown]

I kinda want Noid to be part of these podcasts but at the same time I don't want them to be 17 hours long :p

[Afterlife]

Noid is sex.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Noid would be good for an armchair booking edition. We mostly stick to what's happening on the screen, rather than what would happen if Doug Basham and Alex Riley had backstage pull.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Covering a few news items, Impact, Smackdown, Slammiversary, and Raw.

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Link to the Zema Ion surgery fundraiser that we discussed a bit: https://www.giveforward.com/fundraiser/6hd2/zematna

[CSL]

Listened to about 40 minutes of this just, on the way out but TNA's main events are way ahead of WWE and Randy Orton can't sell? Think that came from Afterlife. Oofah.

[Afterlife]

Yes, that came from me. Should I assume you disagree?

[CSL]

yup. And the complaint about the finisher thing was a bit ridiculous as well until Jabba spoke up. And the Sheamus White Noise/setup stuff, dunno, it's like you go out of your way to make some daft complaints about certain individuals despite a lot of these things being standard practices in televised pro wrestling in it's current form/style for decades.

[Afterlife]

yup. And the complaint about the finisher thing was a bit ridiculous as well until Jabba spoke up. And the Sheamus White Noise/setup stuff, dunno, it's like you go out of your way to make some daft complaints about certain individuals despite a lot of these things being standard practices in televised pro wrestling in it's current form/style for decades.

I wasn't complaining strictly about Sheamus using two back-to-back finishers, I was complaining about the practice in general.

Which other "finisher thing" do you mean?

[Afterlife]

yup.

Also, thanks for not going into any details or anything.

[CSL]

as I said I'm on my way out. If you want me to do that, I can respond in detail later. And the other finisher thing in the sense that "a finisher should be used when necessary", which couldn't really be further from reality in sense of how you structure a match (at least one that you want the people watching to get as "involved in" as possible) and then Jabba brings up (paraphrasing) "you should always be looking to hit it" which is pretty much spot on.

[Afterlife]

as I said I'm on my way out. If you want me to do that, I can respond in detail later. And the other finisher thing in the sense that "a finisher should be used when necessary", which couldn't really be further from reality in sense of how you structure a match (at least one that you want the people watching to get as "involved in" as possible) and then Jabba brings up (paraphrasing) "you should always be looking to hit it" which is pretty much spot on.

Looking to hit a finisher is not the opposite of using them when necessary. That kind of goes right back to Sheamus doing two definitive finishers back to back for no reason, as well as Whereman's take on "psychology" as a whole.

That said, of course, I'd always much rather people give their input with actual detail than just something (no disrespect) useless like "oofah". "Oofah" doesn't teach me anything.

[CSL]

but come on, "oofah" is a fun word http://www.tpwwforums.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I'll be back on later/carry on listening.

[Afterlife]

This is true enough.

[Nark Order]

Some of TNAs stuff is pretty r efreshing in comparison to WWE, tbh. I'm not completely sold but I mean, the "loltna" days are probably over soon. Yeah, we give WWE a little tough love in this episode but we have some good things to say about the product as well. The Shield stuff and rhe Daniel Bryan stuff is on fire lately. The Curtis Axel thing puts a bad taste in my mouth at the moment, but its not like we didn't know they were going to try to ruin him before he even got a chance.

[Big Vic]

Didn't listen to the podcast but I hope you guys don't think you can go from legit Jobber to legit Main Eventer that fast.

[Afterlife]

I don't follow.

[Big Vic]

If I remember correctly last PC guys you were saying Curtis should have got the clean win over Cena.

[Afterlife]

He should have. (I didn't know you meant Axel.)

[Nark Order]

Didn't listen to the podcast but I hope you guys don't think you can go from legit Jobber to legit Main Eventer that fast.

Well, yeah. You kind of can. Or at least you can make people care. Think back to when Carlito made his debut and beat John Cena on his first night. That created buzz righr off the bat and made you be like "whoa, who is this fuck?" If Curtis Axel had come in and legit bat Triple H, it would've set the wrestling world on fire. Trips couldve still had his headache to save face.

I guess my biggest gripe about this is why do you go through all the trouble to give this guy prime TV spots and give him Heyman as a promo man if you don't want him to actually beat anybody. They protect people far too much. If you want the guy to be a big deal, make him a big deal. There is no way around having a guy beat top competition if you want him to be big. There just isn't. I wish there was, but there isn't.

[Big Vic]

Well he's beating Sin Cara on Smackdown, their biggest problem is that Heels hold all the secondary titles. If Dean loses the US title or if Miz wins the IC title that should be the next target for Axel. He can be built up, he's holding his own with Cena, that a pretty good rub right there. And you are right they should have played up that he beat HHH.

[Big Vic]

He should have. (I didn't know you meant Axel.)
Agree to disagree then.

[Nark Order]

Well he's beating Sin Cara on Smackdown, their biggest problem is that Heels hold all the Secondary titles. If Kofi still had the US title or if Miz wins the IC title that should be the next target for Axel.

Well, they are making a point to say this guy is the next big deal and they are putting him in main events. If they want us to take him as a main eventer, he needs to beat main eventers. Thats my take. I just hate how they're always so afraid to make guys a big deal but they want you to treat them like a big deal anyway. Its frustrating.

[Afterlife]

Well he's beating Sin Cara on Smackdown, their biggest problem is that Heels hold all the Secondary titles. If Kofi still had the US title or if Miz wins the IC title that should be the next target for Axel.

He doesn't need a title, he needs a legitimate win. Beating Sin Cara means virtually nothing while trying to set him up as a top guy -- kind of like two count-outs that could have been real victories.

Agree to disagree then.

No. Tell me WHY you disagree.

[Big Vic]

Its to early for a main event spot for him right now, the general fan isn't buying it, perhaps after a lengthy IC title run that opportunity can open.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, maybe an IC title reign would do. I'm just saying, if he isn't ready, then he shouldn't be main eventing and being pushed as the second coming of Mr. Perfect. They are sending us the message of "hey, you need to care about this guy right now," but booking is telling us another story.

[Big Vic]

He doesn't need a title, he needs a legitimate win. Beating Sin Cara means virtually nothing while trying to set him up as a top guy -- kind of like two count-outs that could have been real victories.



No. Tell me WHY you disagree.
Beating Sin Cara is a step up from jobbing on SMS, it's a good pace for him, He shouldn't be rocketed to the top where he's going to be lost in the shuffle.

If he beat Cena clean I would have said "What? why?" and then I would have hoped they threw out the 3 Stages of hell scenario and made it a Triple threat match where he goes toe to to with Cena and Ryback and comes really close to winning. But that would be stupid to make such a left turn right there.

Why damage your Payback main event by making Cena lose to Axel? Why SHOULD Axel beat him cleanly, there is no reason to.

Remember when Ryback was hot-shotted to the main event lost and kept losing against Punk because Punk had to hold the title until atleast the Rumble? While he was losing by dirty means it still tarnished his rep to the point where he loses his WM match and one could predict he is on his way down the card now.

[Big Vic]

They are sending us the message of "hey, you need to care about this guy right now," but booking is telling us another story.From what I've seen only Heyman is giving that message. Heyman is trying to prove to everyone that he is legit, no one else has bought it yet, but Axel hasn't lost yet so he's still moving forward.

[Nark Order]

Well, a clean victory would probably do that. But if Ryback drove an ambulance out and Axel capitalized and got the win, that doesn't hurt anything. I see what you're saying though.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

and then Jabba brings up (paraphrasing) "you should always be looking to hit it" which is pretty much spot on.
If you've perfected a move to the point that it pretty much always puts your opponent down for three, then you should probably be looking to hit it whenever the opportunity arises.

However, your opponent also knows this, so it shouldn't be possible to successfully hit your finisher in every match, when your opponent is looking out for it.

This is why I have a problem with the whole "I'm heading up top, uncharacteristically, so that I can dive towards Randy Orton, neck first" thing.

[Nark Order]

From what I've seen only Heyman is giving that message. Heyman is trying to prove to everyone that he is legit, and Axel hasn't lost yet so he's still moving forward.

Well, he's been in the main event on every RAW since he's debuted and they recap all of his segments like 7000 times. I think I can safely assume that they want him to be a big deal. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. Triple H apparently made the call to bring him in cause he's thinks he's the next "guy." It doesn't make sense to me that he'd be ready to main event shows but not ready to win main events. If he's "the guy" that you are giving your PRIME tv real estate, then he's gotta be worth investing in. There is no way around not beatinf main eventers if he is to be taken as a big deal.

[Big Vic]

Well for they past 3 weeks he's been used to Get HHH's attention off Lesnar and then let Ryback get the upperhand on Cena two times to put Ryback a bit over. It's to early to tell what they really want to do with him.

[Nark Order]

I think just going off the fact that he's being managed by Paul Heyman, who manages the other two biggest stars in the company, we can probably assume that he's supposed to be a big deal. Not to mention that he's in the main event every week. But what do I know? I could be wrong.

[Afterlife]

Its to early for a main event spot for him right now, the general fan isn't buying it, perhaps after a lengthy IC title run that opportunity can open.

Wha...but...we're not talking about a normal slow burn, we're talking about launching a guy.

Beating Sin Cara is a step up from jobbing on SMS, it's a good pace for him, He shouldn't be rocketed to the top where he's going to be lost in the shuffle.

How is rocketed equated to lost in the shuffle? I'm pretty sure that being the new big badass on the street is the opposite of being lost in the shuffle.

If he beat Cena clean I would have said "What? why?" and then I would have hoped they threw out the 3 Stages of hell scenario and made it a Triple threat match where he goes toe to to with Cena and Ryback and comes really close to winning. But that would be stupid to make such a left turn right there.

Why damage your Payback main event by making Cena lose to Axel? Why SHOULD Axel beat him cleanly, there is no reason to.

Well then, by all means, let's put Axel in the main event of two consecutive Raws and completely waste them by having them end with inaction. That makes a lot more sense than planning ahead and doing something surprising in the Anything Can Happen company.

Remember when Ryback was hot-shotted to the main event lost and kept losing against Punk because Punk had to hold the title until atleast the Rumble? While he was losing by dirty means it still tarnished his rep to the point where he loses his WM match and one could predict he is on his way down the card now.

Losing via underhanded tactics did not tarnish his rep, it made the fans crave his victory. And...how is a one-on-one event like a 3 stages of hell match with the WWE Champion considered "on his way down the card"? And putting that silliness aside, why would launching Axel have to be compared to Ryback, and not Punk or, dare I say it, JBL?

[Big Vic]

He's not the new badass on the street though he's the new "Blue Chipper" as JR used to say. No one is running in fear from him because they remember his past, he is building himself up now.

His 2 matches with Cena was more about Ryback getting one up on Cena. It also built up Axel a bit too because not he can say that he beat Cena twice.

Losing via underhanded tactics did not tarnish his rep, Yes it did it made the fans crave his victory. No it didn't they stopped caring. After he lost the TLC match to punk how many times did you see people spam post "THE RYBACK"? Not much if at all. the allure to him was gone. ANd...how is a one-on-one event like a 3 stages of hell match with the WWE CHampion considered "on his way down the card"? I would bet after his program with Cena you will see him fall down the card, he has already peaked (i.e. Khali in 2007)

[Afterlife]

He's not the new badass on the street though he's the new "Blue Chipper" as JR used to say. No one is running in fear from him because they remember his past, he is building himself up now.

Wha...fuckin'...Dude, he'd be the new badass if they MADE him the new badass. In fact, you're making the same argument, just saying he needs a title instead of just having him beat top guys. You honestly think he couldn't have rolled up Cena off the Ryback ambulance distraction beFORE Cena forgot he was in a match? You expect me to believe that it's better that Triple H wandered away from the ring due to a concussion rather than falter in the ring to allow Axel to pin him by it? You are out of your god damned mind.

[Big Vic]

Tangent: I'd like to see Bryan beat Ryback at the PPV after Payback then have Big E Finish him off at Summer Slam.

[Big Vic]

You honestly think he couldn't have rolled up Cena off the Ryback ambulance distractionThat's not a clean win.

[Afterlife]

That's not a clean win.

It's still a fucking pinfall victory!

[Big Vic]

If I remember correctly last PC guys you were saying Curtis should have got the clean win over Cena.

He should have. (I didn't know you meant Axel.)

[Afterlife]

Narc says I'm being snarky, but fuck that. Savior must explain himself to me, because my brain is overloading.

I want to be clear: I love conversation, and I encourage anyone who thinks I'm a blithering idiot to talk to me about it and enlighten me, if nothing else, as to why we see things in different lights. I am not intending to intimidate anyone who doesn't agree that Orton is a shitbag fuck sucker.

Still, though, Savior: you're killin' me, bud.

[Nark Order]

Also, what are they protecting by not having him get wins over the main eventers? Would Triple H or John Cena lose any credibility whatsoever by putting Axel over? I don't think os. John Cena lost probably most of his PPV matches last year and was bested by Punk on several occasions. He is no worse off for it. Now, if they brought him in as a midcard guy I could understand all of this but he's been thrusted into the main event immediately. He's either at that level or he isn't. The way they are booking this is just very confusing.

[Big Vic]

I just don't think Axel should beat Cena clean.

Posts 34-36 pretty much sum up that AL and I are arguing over miscommunication.

[Nark Order]

What is your definition of clean? If Ryback cause a distraction and Curt capitalizes then Cena loses nothing. If Triple H's head explodes and Curt capitalizes then Triple H loses nothing. These count out victories just don't mean anything.

[Afterlife]

I just don't think Axel should beat Cena clean.

Posts 34-36 pretty much sum up that AL and I are arguing over miscommunication.

Again, I say: so what? Distraction, roll-up, THEN Cena runs to find RyBack. How is that WORSE than what they chose to do?

[Big Vic]

What is your definition of clean? If Ryback cause a distraction and Curt capitalizes then Cena loses nothing. If Triple H's head explodes and Curt capitalizes then Triple H loses nothing. These count out victories just don't mean anything.
My definition of a clean victory would be No distractions, no interference, no cheating, etc. A pure victory where no rules are broken.

Curtis could have beat HHH by pinfall but I think it was more dramatic that HHH just could not continue the match. I still think HHH should not have been able to continue after Axel pulled off a move on the outside, like whipping him into the ring post.

[Big Vic]

Again, I say: so what? Distraction, roll-up, THEN Cena runs to find RyBack. How is that WORSE than what they chose to do?
I never said it would be worse, I just said that wouldn't be clean.

[Afterlife]

I never said it would be worse, I just said that wouldn't be clean.

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*facepalm*

[Big Vic]

SMH, How is that clean?

Pretend its UFC (which yes, I know you don't like it) When Jon Jones faced Chael Sonnen for the title, how clean would the title defense be if Anderson Silva got on stage grabbed a mic and started screaming "Hey Chael look over here at me!" causing Chael to look over?

[Nark Order]

It isn't "clean" per say, but it is a legitimate pinfall victory. It does a whole lot more than a countout does. Pinning the world champion, whatever the circumstances, is a big deal and he would've been a much bigger deal had it gone down that way.

[Big Vic]

I don't disagree, what started this discussion was AL saying Curtis should have won clean.

[Nark Order]

Well, I think he meant "by pinfall." Technically if Cena loses via distraction, he loses "cleanly," there's just more to the context of the situation.

[Big Vic]

Granted losing by distraction is probably one of the cleanest dirty ways win you can get, but it still isn't clean.

[Nark Order]

Well, now we're arguing semantics. I'm pretty sure we all understand what he meant now

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you've perfected a move to the point that it pretty much always puts your opponent down for three, then you should probably be looking to hit it whenever the opportunity arises.

However, your opponent also knows this, so it shouldn't be possible to successfully hit your finisher in every match, when your opponent is looking out for it.

This is why I have a problem with the whole "I'm heading up top, uncharacteristically, so that I can dive towards Randy Orton, neck first" thing.

The first time I ever saw someone do a dive into a wrestler's standard finisher was when Shelton Benjamin did a springboard into Shawn Michaels' Sweet Chin Music in the opening round of the Gold Rush Tournament in 2004. I think it may have been the first time Shawn Michaels wore his baggy pants, as an added bit of trivia.

That spot was amazing and made everyone stand up because Shelton was going for his springboard clothesline, which he regularly did. It was believable that he was going for that move on HBK to try and finish him off, that HBK knew it was coming, and that the kick could lead to the finish.

Since then, we've seen the spot repeated, and it often does make me wonder why someone would try lunging head-first at Orton for the first time in their career. There have been moments where Orton has hit awesome RKOs from guys flying at him. Seth Rollins and CM Punk at WrestleMania XXVI and WrestleMania XXIX both come to mind, because they both hit springboard moves from time-to-time.

I'm not sure where they had their second match, but Shawn Michaels defeated Kurt Angle with Sweet Chin Music after Angle came off the top rope with an axe handle attempt, which is something Angle almost never does. Those are two of the best ever. So maybe my pet peeve with this is merely that -- my own. I will suggest that when something uncharacteristic like this happens, that should be the job of the commentators to convey to the audiences.

"Angle is going to the top rope because HBK has kicked out of everything else Angle has."

Suddenly, as an audience, we have a reason to believe that Angle, who does go for moonsaults occasionally, would be flying in with an axe handle on HBK. A lot of the time the commentators just go "Look at this! Whoa!" I think even referees could help sell these sort of moments by looking a bit confused as to what this wrestler is doing, since they normally don't act in that manner.

I guess what I am trying to say is: This bothers me too, but there is a certain psychology behind a guy trying out something new in a tough match -- especially if his opponent knows him so well and is so resourceful. This should be where the commentators, who should be immersed in the product, are able to convey that story. I'm not taking pot-shots at any commentator in particular -- Michael Cole, for example, actually does this far more than he's given credit for -- but that is why they are there and that is a way that good announcing can raise a match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What is your definition of clean? If Ryback cause a distraction and Curt capitalizes then Cena loses nothing. If Triple H's head explodes and Curt capitalizes then Triple H loses nothing. These count out victories just don't mean anything.

I don't think the victories mean nothing, but Axel would have looked far more impressive if he had gone after Triple H when he began to falter, beat him around ringside and looked like a hungry shark that smelled blood. I still think that Axel beating Triple H with the Pedigree would have been the ultimate insult to injury and would have added more reason to want to see an Axel vs. Triple H rematch.

The only problem with Axel beating Cena by countout was that it sends the message that Cena didn't care if he lost to Axel. The roll-up finish would have been perfect. Cena wouldn't leave the ring, but his attention would be turned away from Axel, who would capitalise when he saw the opportunity.

Axel vs. Cena II could have ended almost exactly the same way, except after Ryback puts Cena through the table, Axel just laughs, knowing he has Cena where he wants him. He pulls Cena back into the ring and hits him with a Perfect Plex to get the pin.

None of the wins are "clean," but they show Axel to be opportunistic, vicious and talented. On the flip side of the coin: There is a certain psychology behind Axel just taking victories however he can. It doesn't make him much of a heel, though. He's just doing his job. I think the ball just needs to stop spinning on the type of character Axel is going to be.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And the semantics of the word "clean" frustrate me. Basically, I think if a wrestler wins their match because they have done something proactive -- it is something clean enough. By heel standards, especially. If a heel yells at the audience for too long and then a babyface rolls him up -- is that a clean victory? The heel was distracted and not paying attention. The good guy clearly took advantage of a moment of opportunity. It's just about how you look at it, of course.

I ran into opposition from Tedious when I suggested Axel beat Triple H "clean." What I meant was that Triple H's mounting injuries would get to him, Axel would jump on them, and people would be concerned about Triple H. To me, a heel seeing weakness and jumping on it is "clean" by their standards. The only thing cleaner would be if they had caused the injury themselves. But they can't help that faces are stupid and enter situations they probably shouldn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fair points. Man, I'd love a Basham Brothers return to help put over some newer teams.

On the topic of ring psychology, I think one of the most underrated guys on the roster is Heath Slater. I know that will piss of wwf-fan in a thread where there has been criticisms launched at Randy Orton's ring psychology. But if you actually watch a Heath Slater match and think about why he does what he does, he pretty much nails it every time. It's probably why he's been given the role of enhancing a lot of guys like he is a heel Val Venis.

[#1-norm-fan]

Heath Slater's fine in the ring...

He's been given the role of enhancing guys because he's not natural on the mic and is terrible at playing a character and can't actually work as anything more than jobber material. Not because he's just so amazing at what he does. lol

[Afterlife]

Good grief. Pinfall, and without personally cheating, Savior. Come on, man.

[James Steele]

To me, a clean win is when you win without anything for your opponent to use as an excuse. Cheating, Distractions, Interference, etc. all make a win unclean.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Heath Slater is perfect at being an annoying heel that everyone wants to see get his ass handed to him. And he sells like a champion.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

JTG never won a tag team title.

[Afterlife]

Heath Slater's fine in the ring...

He's been given the role of enhancing guys because he's not natural on the mic and is terrible at playing a character and can't actually work as anything more than jobber material. Not because he's just so amazing at what he does. lol

Oofah.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well now it all makes sense.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Lucky he was only being used as an example.

[CSL]

I wasn't complaining strictly about Sheamus using two back-to-back finishers, I was complaining about the practice in general.


it's like a lot of other things in wrestling, it's one of those moments where you have to suspend your disbelief a little bit for the sake of why he's doing it. When HBK would come off the top with the elbow, do his little fire up dance schtick and go to the corner to start "tuning up the band", the crowd come up. If he goes straight to a nearfall after the elbow, he loses that "momentum" going to his finish/you bring them down. It's like a "oh shit, we know what's coming now" once it's been done, like Hogan hitting the big boot. I personally can't say that I'd even noticed that Sheamus does this, don't watch anywhere near enough of the current product and theoretically/ideally, it'd be the other way round (the boot then the White Curse) but when you've gotten something over in that sense/people are expecting to see something, you don't mess with it :-\

Looking to hit a finisher is not the opposite of using them when necessary. That kind of goes right back to Sheamus doing two definitive finishers back to back for no reason, as well as Whereman's take on "psychology" as a whole.

I didn't strictly mean "the direct opposite", just pointing out the gulf between the two. The babyface always teasing/building towards/getting stopped from hitting his finish until he finally gets it is one of the more important parts of structuring a match, especially if it's a "commodity"/people are looking to see that move

[CSL]

If you've perfected a move to the point that it pretty much always puts your opponent down for three, then you should probably be looking to hit it whenever the opportunity arises.

However, your opponent also knows this, so it shouldn't be possible to successfully hit your finisher in every match, when your opponent is looking out for it.

This is why I have a problem with the whole "I'm heading up top, uncharacteristically, so that I can dive towards Randy Orton, neck first" thing.

I agree with the "your opponent knows this" part but people are paying to see these things, you can't send them home empty handed. In an ideal world, that'd be great. Although that could be a nice addition to some variety of feud somewhere, the heel knows the babyface so well that he always manages to avoid finish, have the announcers play on that and so forth and once he finally hits it in "the blowoff match", done properly with the right person, it could get whatever that move is over huge.

Completely with you on the last part however, I think I was the only person that wasn't at all a fan of Bourne's SSP into the RKO for example and that one even made sense given it was Bourne's finish, I just don't think it looked very good/required a little bit too much "suspension of disbelief" although some are great, Punk's springboard into the RKO for example) I understand why they do it however, people eat that stuff up and the name of the game is "make them yell loudest for longest". Misguided/warped takes on that are the reason so much indy wrestling is just horrific

[CSL]

CSL has also been unfairly lumped into this. The poor fuck.

keep reading this as a Heath Slatering of my sexual performance, my poor Ike Turner-battered ego

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only thing I find awkard about Sheamus' set-up for the Brogue Kick with the White Noise is that the White Noise is such a "heavy" move that his opponent should probably be down and out. As CSL says, it works so don't fuck with it, but it just seems like his opponent should be sort of dead after that. :-\

[Mr. Nerfect]

To me it kind of seems like Taker setting up the Chokeslam with the Tombstone. The Brogue Kick should probably be Sheamus' "out of nowhere" finish, while he sets up for head and neck region for White Noise. When he goes after the back of his opponents, it should be The Irish Curse and the Texas Cloverleaf.

Ha! Look at me. I'm telling a fucking pro like Sheamus how he should wrestle. This is why we are frowned upon. The dude knows what he is doing. I'm not complaining about it (Sheamus is a bigger dude who can wrestle about as well as anybody his size ever has), but I do get how it looks awkward. All the pros do something like that. Eg. Christian using a Spear.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Covering a news item, Impact, Smackdown, and Raw.

Orton lovers beware.

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Yep, I realise it says "EPISODE 2" on the screen, but that is a lie. I would go in and fix it, but we're moving to audio only very soon, so there's no point.

[Big Vic]

I don't love Orton but I do like his position on the card. I think they are going to go for a Triple Threat with him and hell no, after that I hope he puts over Dolph in a world title match.

[Afterlife]

I'd prefer his position be off the card. :p

[Afterlife]

Also, it fucking KILLS me that my internet cut out last night.

[Poit]

Yeah, it just *happened* to go out right before we discussed the Kaitlyn/Big E segment.

[Afterlife]

I wanted to SHRED that bullshit.

[owenbrown]

Tell us how you really feel, Afterlife :lol:

[Innovator]

I can't wait for you guys to review the show where Hogan puts on the gear brother and fights Bully Ray

[Nark Order]

I might not be able to talk if that happens. My face will probably melt away from my body.

[Innovator]

If? I hereby present this tweet, hereto "Exhibit A":

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Perfect timing to start serious training again,last time around the block for me so this is gonna be really intense,transformation time. HH</p>&mdash; Hulk Hogan (@HulkHogan) <a href="https://twitter.com/HulkHogan/statuses/344080422562590720">June 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

So the guy who has been an authority figure on TV for the last three years might have one match?

TIME FOR MELTDOWN, LADS.

[Innovator]

When the baddest guy on the roster, your biggest heel, leader of the big heel faction, is going to stand there and wait 10 seconds in between Hogan punches...that isn't a good thing. It makes Bully look like shit.

[Afterlife]

Let's judge the idea of a confrontation before we even guarantee it'll happen.

[Big Vic]

Maybe Hogan will wrestle brooke?

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

When the baddest guy on the roster, your biggest heel, leader of the big heel faction, is going to stand there and wait 10 seconds in between Hogan punches...that isn't a good thing. It makes Bully look like shit.
Oh, I get it. Like the way CM Punk was getting his ass handed to him by a crippled 67 year old Vince McMahon?

[Innovator]

Oh, I get it. Like the way CM Punk was getting his ass handed to him by a crippled 67 year old Vince McMahon?
Yes, that was also horrible, stupid, and idiotic.

[Lock Jaw]

But that's awesome, see, because it is Vince McMahon. Get it?

[Innovator]

Let's judge the idea of a confrontation before we even guarantee it'll happen.
Especially when the preceding 3 months are devoted to building up Hogan as the SAVIOR BROTHER.

[Afterlife]

Especially when the preceding 3 months are devoted to building up Hogan as the SAVIOR BROTHER.

I highly doubt that.

[Savio]

Hogans no brother of mine!

[Nowhere Man]

When the baddest guy on the roster, your biggest heel, leader of the big heel faction, is going to stand there and wait 10 seconds in between Hogan punches...that isn't a good thing. It makes Bully look like shit.

Who's to say that's the way it goes down? After all, if they're really wanting to build up AJ Styles as the 'Sting' figure against Aces and Eights, then what'd make sense is that Hogan suits up, and Aces and Eights gang up on him and take him out the way they did with Sting, meaning that AJ's the "only hope" against them.

Not saying that that's how it'll happen, but it's not like Hogan coming back to destroy Bully Ray is the only possible outcome.

[Lock Jaw]

From my two weeks of TNA viewership, it looks like Sting is still the "hero" they are building to defeat Aces & Eights, now with the help of whoever is going to be in his new stable. Which could include AJ Styles, I guess.

[James Steele]

Can't wait to see the NEW main event mafia with only 2 of its original members...one of which can't fight for the World Title ever again.

[Innovator]

I'm pretty sure I got ptsd from the last main event mafia.

[Nark Order]

The only problem with AJ being the champion to take down A&8s is that he was made to look weak for no reason at Slammiversary.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

You should put this on itunes. Might be worth a listen to walking around on the ipod.

[Poit]

You should put this on itunes. Might be worth a listen to walking around on the ipod.

Just use one of the many sites that extracts the audio from a Youtube video. That's how I listen to them.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Covering Impact, Smackdown, Payback, and Raw.

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[James Steele]

This is some bush league horseshit.

[Afterlife]

Which part?

[Nowhere Man]

The part where we don't like bad wrestling.

[Innovator]

I did like Nowhere's reaction to Sting's new main event mafia, as it was my reaction as well.

[James Steele]

I got to the part about how much you all love Joseph Park. I stopped it and cried myself to sleep. I'll listen to the rest of it later.

[James Steele]

I'm not saying the Joseph Park thing is bad, but FFS I want more Abyss and less Joseph Park.

[Innovator]

Why is Joseph Park, a rookie with less than a year in the business, in the BFG series instead of Kurt Angle, James Storm, Gunnar (HE KILLED PEOPLE), and Chavo?

[Nark Order]

Joseph Park has the reccomendation of his brother Abyss. I hear his word carries far.

[Innovator]

Big E would be better served to turn face with Dolph. He's actually funny and has a good babyface "swagger" to him down in NXT.



FIVE

[VSG]

240p :'(

[Heisenberg]

Someone on the podcast has a brilliant HHH impression, regardless of trashing HHH himself.

[Afterlife]

Probably me.

[Heisenberg]

I think it was you, legit awesome impression.

[Heisenberg]

I didn't know about the DB/HHH backstage bit, I am now confused if they have a backstage environment inside of an actual backstage.

[Afterlife]

It's actually three backstages of hell.

[Heisenberg]

lol

[Heisenberg]

y'all got a special guest for next week? June is my last hoorah before I fall victim to the summer college/job slam.

[Nark Order]

We would be honored to share the same air space with you, Heisenberg. Wednesday around 6 PST is usually when we do it. And when I say 6, I mean like 7:15.

[Heisenberg]

Sounds good to me, I will mark that down for this coming Wednesday my good man

[Afterlife]

Excellent.

[James Steele]

I like how I keep getting held back and y'all refuse to allow "The Voice of the HHHated and Misunderstood" on this bush league b-team indy dogshit podcast.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Three hours? Jesus Christ. I bet the guys who write Impact Wrestling don't even focus that much time on what they are writing.

I think if you want to get more people to listen maybe cut it down to like 50 minutes.

[James Steele]

...or quit going out of your way to shit all over the premier professional wrestling organization in the history of the world.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I think if you want to get more people to listen maybe cut it down to like 50 minutes.
Did we give the impression we're unhappy with the numbers so far?

[James Steele]

Unlike TNA, you should aspire to be like the WWE and appeal to the masses of the entire world. Why be an assistant manager at Burger King when you can be the CEO of McDonald's?

[Nark Order]

James Steele, why are you being a cock right now? We don't shit on WWE just for the sake of it. We have many good things to say about it, especially this week. The Triple H show is really annoyibg though. Like really annoying.

[Innovator]

I can stomach the McMahon stuff when it is self-contained. Stephanie dickslapping the divas was ridiculous, especially when the ticker said VP OF CREATIVE. So she runs down AJ for being a bad role model for women WHEN STEPHANIE WROTE IT AND OKD IT FOR HER TO BE LIKE THAT.

[Nark Order]

And the time will stay around 3 hours. You don't have to listen to it all at once. When we go to audio it'll be much easier to listen in bits while in the car/at the gym/gaming/etc. Also, shut the fuck up STD.

[Nark Order]

Also, the "don't interrupt me" thibg she said to Kaitlyn on the way out was so fucking ridiculous and served no purpose. She interrupted her emotional promo just to shit on her before she left. Kind of dumb.

[Innovator]

Yeah, she did a great job there of cutting the legs out from Kaitlyn's big moment, besides the nip slip WHICH YOU ALL FORGOT.

[Heisenberg]

Can I drink on the sumbitch?

[Innovator]

Everytime they say something about Orton, pop a top.

[Nark Order]

Hell yes you can. I've been high in like 3 of them.

[Heisenberg]

I watched Impact! last night, for research and I have been making an effort to, don't know if I'll watch Smackdown! though.

[Heisenberg]

Good, I'll piss in a bottle, or in my neighbor's face as he offers his wife as sacrifice for the piss gods.

[James Steele]

I love the whole power struggle storyline. The whole story was the 3 McMahons pulling everybody in different directions. It is looking at a serious question in both kayfabe and real life - who the fuck is going to take over when Vince dies? Can HHH/Steph really co-exist on a business level?

[Big Vic]

I hope Vince boots HHH out of power/fires him and then introduces a new mandate where he must go through all the wrestlers text messages to make sure they aren't talking to Hunter.

Daniel Bryan gets caught and is brutalized by Vince's right hand men (The Shield).

HHH can then come back and lead the fight against McMahon.

[James Steele]

If it leads to an angle where HHH starts fucking Kaitlyn, and Stephanie decides to dress like a huge slut again to win back her man -- I'm all for it.

[James Steele]

Stephanie: "Think of our kids, Paul!"
Hunter: "Think of these tits, Steph!"
Vince: "Been there. Done that."

[Nowhere Man]

That, right there, is why you will never be on the podcast.

[James Steele]

I'll be on the podcast sooner rather than later, and I will show the entire world the brilliance and magnificence that is Paul "Hunter Hearst Helmsley aka 'The Game' Triple H" Levesque.

[James Steele]

You like comic books, right? Check these bad ass 'graphic novels' out:

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[James Steele]

Here is my personal favorite:

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[Mr. Nerfect]

The power struggle storyline could be good. I'd like it if it led to another proper brand split. Triple H takes over SmackDown and Vince McMahon runs RAW. I'd also like for Steph to get her claws out around Paige, who doesn't fit the Diva mould Steph would like her to. This leads to Stephanie bringing in Paige's own mother to attack her. She also brings back Kharma to try and flatten Paige. One ordeal after the other.

[James Steele]

Maybe Steph could start a Divas only show.

[James Steele]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the WWE are really missing the boat with their Divas division. I understand that the girls are essentially there to be eye candy, but you can have those girls and around them have your older women, veterans and rougher girls. If everyone looks like Kelly Kelly, then Kelly is no longer going to stand out. I've seen members of the IWC claim that they want the WWE to bring in all these joshi from Japan, but that wouldn't work either. It's like if the WWE had eighteen luchadors running around. You can have a few masked guys, but they need to stand out and somehow be different from one another.

Jacqueline has said that she would like to return to the WWE. Bring her back as a veteran looking to try and prove that she's "still got it." JBL can share stories from commentary about how tough she is. Sign a cute young joshi to play a stereotypical anime-warrior type babyface. Sign another heel joshi, like Hamada, to beat the shit out of her a few times and get her over. Try and bring back Beth Phoenix to have a series of matches with Natalya. Sign Paige's mom and have Kharma come back. All these girls are different would each bring something unique to the table.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe Steph could start a Divas only show.

I would actually get behind that. Vince could run RAW with Brad Maddox, Triple H could run SmackDown with Booker T and Steph could run some Divas show with Vickie Guerrero. You would still have girls on the other shows, especially ones that can't wrestle. Rosa Mendes, Lilian Garcia, Renee Young and those two new girls they've got for that Total Divas show.

[Big Vic]

Steph should run SuperStars so I never have to see her again.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Covering Impact, Smackdown, & Raw.

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[Heisenberg]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/b9f81bbb3f379e5ba6ad79954a37677c/tumblr_mopzvaznH71s0rah4o1_500.jpg

Orton tagged in this guy to get shit on this week

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when Jay Bradley was Bradley Jay?

[Heisenberg]

I honestly didn't remember anything about his past if he ever did perform elsewhere

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember he was under WWE developmental contract, and I think he came up for a few matches here and there under Teddy Long's "New Talent Initiative." This was around the same time as The Era of Gavin Spears.

[James Steele]

Drinking Game: Take a shot/drink every time I slip in a Triple H reference during this podcast.

[Heisenberg]

I hope Doug from Oregon listens to this podcast, piece of shit

[Nark Order]

Listening. I love Heisenberg.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I also love Heisenberg.

[Afterlife]

Dude's a keeper.

[owenbrown]

Listening for the first time on my new ipad :y:

[Bad News Gertner]

I remember he was under WWE developmental contract, and I think he came up for a few matches here and there under Teddy Long's "New Talent Initiative." This was around the same time as The Era of Gavin Spears.

Ryan Braddock. I remember Big Show squashing the shit out of him on Smackdown.

[owenbrown]

Who's doing all the impersonations in the podcast?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Definitely gonna listen to this even though I've not listened to any of the other wrestling ones. Heisenberg = Ratings

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Who's doing all the impersonations in the podcast?
Everybody. You'll have to be more specific.

[Innovator]

Laughed very hard at Heisenberg's Lemmy

[James Steele]

Did anyone look up Great Khali's match from SummerSlam 2008 as I requested?

[loopydate]

Didn't Mark Henry say that he had two pairs of boots because he was leaving one up Cena's ass?

[owenbrown]

Everybody. You'll have to be more specific.

Mainly the Lemmy(now that I know it was Heisenberg) and Triple H impressions

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I think we all did Triple H now and then, but it was mostly Afterlife.

[Heisenberg]

Afterlife made me almost piss my pants with his HHH

[owenbrown]

Drinking Game: Take a shot/drink every time I slip in a Triple H reference during this podcast.

It's just the same as the drinking game where you drink every time Orton gets shit on during a podcast. Don't want to die of alcohol poisoning :lol:

[owenbrown]

:lol: Afterlife this week

[owenbrown]

Who's always sounding like a laugh track? No offense.

[thecc]

Remember when Jay Bradley was Bradley Jay?sad enough, I remember when he was brad bradley

[Nowhere Man]

Who's always sounding like a laugh track? No offense.

That's probably me.

[owenbrown]

I hope I can get into the next podcast

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ryan Braddock. I remember Big Show squashing the shit out of him on Smackdown.

That was it. I think he may have been Bradley Jay in developmental. Or maybe I am just remembering wrong.

I'd mark out if Gavin Spears, KC James and Ryan Braddock all returned and were like "Remember us?" and everyone was like "No" and then 3MB squashes them. WOOO!

Actually wouldn't mind it if 3MB turned face and went against The Wyatt Family. Heath Slater calling Bray Wyatt a hillbilly would make for amazing television.

[#1-norm-fan]

Heath Slater... amazing television.

These two sets of words should never be in the same sentence.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>When he was with WWE, Jay Bradley was Ryan Braddock and at house shows they had him playing an Elvis gimmick. Never made it to air.</font>

[Big Vic]

ANd...how is a one-on-one event like a 3 stages of hell match with the WWE CHampion considered "on his way down the card"? I would bet after his program with Cena you will see him fall down the card, he has already peaked Mark my words he's gonna keep falling.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Briefly covering recent news developments, Main Event, and NXT.

Full in-depth coverage of Impact, Smackdown, and Raw.

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[#1-norm-fan]

Gonna live comment on this shit.

First thought: I like Poit. He enunciates well and seems very "no nonsense".

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, MVP is awesome.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol @ No one knowing what the fuck to say about the NXT results.

[#1-norm-fan]

Bo Dallas is so obviously bad and obviously corny when he cuts a promo I seriously feel like WWE is literally trolling people with his push. Like they're trying to make him into the first "intentional Cena". Which if done right, could be kinda genius/awesome.

[Poit]

First thought: I like Poit. He enunciates well and seems very "no nonsense".

Heh, just wait until I start stuttering like crazy during the Smackdown discussion.

lol @ No one knowing what the fuck to say about the NXT results.

I was the only one who watched it, and I watched it a week ago. I don't remember too many specifics beyond a few highlights that stood out to me.

[XL]

You guys should watch/cover NXT it's probably the best hour of wrestling every week IMO.

[Afterlife]

Then what would we complain about?

[Savio]

Orton

[#1-norm-fan]

You guys should watch/cover NXT it's probably the best hour of wrestling every week IMO.

It's weird. The most irrelevant hour of wrestling every week for the past few years has always seemed to be the hour that they actually put effort into the most.

[XL]

I don't know if it's even effort per se. They just have clearly distinct and genuinely interesting characters who are put into fueds that are by no means revolutionary. If anything, it's very straight forward and simple booking, but it just works.

[#1-norm-fan]

With NXT now, that's true. Even before NXT became FCW though... When Hawkins and Ryder were main eventing... The storylines, while not earth shattering, actually seemed like someone sat down and put effort into writing them as opposed to the other 6 hours of TV which seem like they take a total of about 20 minutes to throw together.

[Innovator]

Then what would we complain about?
Bo Dallas. Lots of lots of Bo Dallas.

[Afterlife]

The oily guy they put in the Rumble for zero reasons?

[XL]

AKA The New Rocky Maivia.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Love how old-school NXT is. I actually think that not having PPVs really helps it deliver as a television product.

[XL]

Emma-lock is actually called The Dil-emma. Which is a much better name (although Afterlife will probably disagree).

[Afterlife]

Why would I probably disagree?

[XL]

Also, when they say "The crowd turned their backs on Bo Dallas" do they actually mean that they literally, physically turned their back?

[Savio]

I always wanted fans to do that to Cena

[Innovator]

Also, when they say "The crowd turned their backs on Bo Dallas" do they actually mean that they literally, physically turned their back?
In the very literal sense.

[XL]

"Making his way down the aisle, weighing 280 lbs, from the isle of Samoa, "The Samoan Submission Machine"...Samoa Joe!"

So, where is this guy from!?

The OC!
From May 2011 :)

[Poit]

Emma-lock is actually called The Dil-emma. Which is a much better name (although Afterlife will probably disagree).

I thought the Emma Lock used to be called the Dil-Emma, but now Dil-Emma is the name used for her Tarantula?

[Innovator]

Last week they called it the dilemma, before it was the Emma lock and the tarantula was the dilemma

[Tazz Dan]

Then what would we complain about?

Having to wait for bank deposits.

[owenbrown]

Afterlife wants his money Tazz Dan

[XL]

I thought the Emma Lock used to be called the Dil-Emma, but now Dil-Emma is the name used for her Tarantula?

Last week they called it the dilemma, before it was the Emma lock and the tarantula was the dilemma

Well, that's not confusing. Much.

[Poit]

Not confusing at all.

[Afterlife]

Either way, "The Emma Lock" is fucking embarrassing.

[James Steele]

She should call it "The Yeti Snatch".

[Volare]

So are guests limited to mods?

[Nark Order]

TLP isn't about mod limits. Its about NO LIMITS.

[Heisenberg]

We're not your preacher's podcast if I may

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Guests are limited to whoever sends me their Skype info, and is available at the time we're starting (varies week to week).

[James Steele]

Ratings will plummet do to the extreme lack of Triple H references.

[Innovator]

Either way, "The Emma Lock" is fucking embarrassing.
Well, it was called the Muta Lock before.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

When do you guys find the time to record this? Sort of interested in joining in if I can find the time to watch all of the shows in the week.

I think I could talk about Orton hate for awhile.

[XL]

I'd love to join in one week. Have to see if time allows.

[James Steele]

I'd love to be on the same episode as XL and Afterlife.

[Innovator]

The podcast format cannot contain the sexual tension between you and XL

[James Steele]

Yes, it could. Last week, you couldn't even tell what Heisenberg and I were doing on the sly.

[James Steele]

I massaged his balls with a Triple H action figure while he hummed "The King of Kings".

[Heisenberg]

Two Man Lotion Trip

[James Steele]

...that wasn't lotion.

[James Steele]

I drank a lot of water that week.

[GD]

Narc seems to be very enthusiastic in the early part of the podcast.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Randy Orton just got divorced.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/10/wwe-randy-orton-divorce-final-bentley-guns/

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Covering Impact, Smackdown, and Raw.

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