Tables, Ladders, & Podcast - Current episode: #74 (October 22, 2014)

[Heisenberg]

downloading to listen at work tomorrow, and on the toilet, couldn't do that back in 1996.

[Heisenberg]

The Chavo bit I can agree with and dread happening, we've see that shit too many times. Just waiting for the turn to happen and fade out. Chavo as a manager for awhile would be awesome, like Kerwin White awesome.

[Afterlife]

I don't see it as anything to dread; it could get Chavo into a world title scene, and it's testing how much investment the crowd will actually put into Hernandez. Which is something they need to do, given that he gets decent reactions when tagged into matches, but has the personality of a fence post.

[Innovator]

Chavo is putting it soooo over the top he's definitely turning. I hope he's turning at least, because that could be the most irritating face delivery outside of Bo Dallas.

[Afterlife]

Bo Dallas is your desktop.

[Heisenberg]

If they gave Chavo an Eddie type of run in TNA, that would be excellent end game.

The dread is that they will screw him over and shut the push off

[Innovator]

Afterlife is a Bo-liever

[Afterlife]

I'd let him suck my dick.

[Innovator]

What draws you to him? His hair or HIS FIRE?

[Afterlife]

I don't get the reference; you must be a huge Bo Dallas fan.

His hair is terrible.

[Innovator]

That's his gimmick. He shows fire and loves to compete and SMILES

[Afterlife]

...he shows fire?

[Nark Order]

He's like a pyromancer? Cause that sounds fucking awesome.

[Innovator]

...well his version of fire is spinning around and yelling CMON while mimicking seizure hand motions

[Nark Order]

Well. Now it is sounding considerably less awesome.

[Innovator]

We need more pyromancers in wrestling.

[Heisenberg]

Bo Dallas Fire Mage: So Seductive

[Dude Marsh]

Bo Dallas is a hippie and he needs a haircut. And some new wrestling boots. And a new finisher. And a new gimmick. And a new name.

But other than that, he seems like a pretty swell guy.

[Poit]

We need more pyromancers in wrestling.

The internet - always a source of character ideas for RPGs.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

So, we got our first YouTube comment.

"Wow even a bunch of fags, can make a podcast."

The internet has welcomed us with open arms.

[Nark Order]

Keep the comments coming, disgruntled wrestling fans!

[owenbrown]

awesome comment :lol:

[owenbrown]

love how Narc's gaffe from last week was mentioned because Afterlife almost did the same thing :lol:

[owenbrown]

A Natalya, Great Khali, and Hornswoggle 3-way?! RATINGS!!!!! :y:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's like a pyromancer? Cause that sounds fucking awesome.

Will Probably take WWE 15 years to have a Game of Thrones inspired character unless they dress Hornswoggle as Tyrion for a Halloween episode.

[owenbrown]

B A * WWE

[loopydate]

Hoo boy. The MitB results will make for a fuuuuuuuuuun episode next week.

[Innovator]

I want this pic to be the picture for the entire video


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[Nark Order]

ugh

[Nark Order]

We'll be making the switch to tuesdays here.

Anyone free for the cast tomorrow? Getting some guests lined up.

[Innovator]

I was chatting with Nowhere Man while he was watching it, I stayed an hour past when I wanted to go have lunch.

It was soooooo worth the wait.

[owenbrown]

We'll be making the switch to tuesdays here.

Anyone free for the cast tomorrow? Getting some guests lined up.

I'm free as always but I'm sure everyone is sick of hearing my voice

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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[Nark Order]

We will be on iTunes within the week but for now use podbean for your mobile needs. There is a mobile option that will make it much easier to listen to on any of your desired devices.

[el bobbo]

noice.

[#1-norm-fan]

Prepared for the greatest podcast of all time.

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[Tb1]

Totally disagree with you guys in regards to MITB

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, I thought it was a really well booked show for the most part.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Sending one of the hottest crowds of the year home completely dead, didn't seem odd to you?

[Nark Order]

It was just a really odd show. Good for the most part but sending everyone home with a shitty payoff that got no crowd reaction was pretty ridiculous. Any other person winning the match would've made sense.

[Nark Order]

And I don't think we really thought the PPV was bad as a whole. Lots of good stuff but with Cena winning by draping his arms over Henry's face, a very bland IC title match, a pretty weird Ryback match, and Randy Boreton winning the main event... It left me feeling confused. The crowd seriously just died after the Orton fiasco. You don't want your crowd worrying about traffic half a second after the main event. Just nobody cared at all.

[Savio]

Well if they absolutely had to have orton win the briefcase I think it was better to end with that match rather then end with Cena's clean victory over Henry.

[Nark Order]

Well they didn't absolutely have to have Orton win.

[Savio]

But if Vince wanted Orton to walk out with that briefcase (a bit dull) and Cena to beat Henry cleanly (duller) I am glad they ended the show how they did.

I kinda think they want someone to cash in and lose again, Orton would be perfect for that.

[Nark Order]

Like I said on the podcast. Compare Orton's reaction after winning MitB with just Daniel Bryan's ENTRANCE. There's no comparison. And Randy Orton is a face, by the way. Just nobody even remotely cares about him at all. Cena's promo on RAW when he mentions facing Orton was met with Luke warm boos. And I remind you, he's a face.

They could've just done anything else and it would've worked perfectly.

[Heisenberg]

damn new format is f'n up on my phone, got to the end of nXt talk and it cuts off.

[Poit]

And I don't think we really thought the PPV was bad as a whole. Lots of good stuff but with Cena winning by draping his arms over Henry's face, a very bland IC title match, a pretty weird Ryback match, and Randy Boreton winning the main event... It left me feeling confused. The crowd seriously just died after the Orton fiasco. You don't want your crowd worrying about traffic half a second after the main event. Just nobody cared at all.

I actually liked the Ryback match, including the finish. Other than the finish, I think we all liked the Cena/Henry match. Other than the finish and shitting on RVD, I think we all liked the main event.

The problem is just that there was so much rant to get through, we didn't really have enough time to talk about what we liked. That's something we should try to balance better in the future.

[Savio]

Like I said on the podcast. Compare Orton's reaction after winning MitB with just Daniel Bryan's ENTRANCE. There's no comparison. And Randy Orton is a face, by the way. Just nobody even remotely cares about him at all. Cena's promo on RAW when he mentions facing Orton was met with Luke warm boos. And I remind you, he's a face.

They could've just done anything else and it would've worked perfectly.
I do not disagree with you there, DB gets greater reactions than Orton. perhaps he should have won the match but it doesn't matter since he wasn't made to look weak in the match and he is booked in the title match with Cena at SS. (IMO DB should win that match)

I don't think Orton should win title matches or much at all against maineventers I just think it was better for them to put Orton winning after Cena winning because ending it on that would have been worse.

[Nark Order]

damn new format is f'n up on my phone, got to the end of nXt talk and it cuts off.

If you go to the actual site there is a "mobile" button that will probably make it easier for you. Unless you've already done that.

[Heisenberg]

No, I'll go try that, this silence is not going to help me do work.

[Nark Order]

If not, there's a download feature also where you can just download it to your phone. I dl pods to my galaxy all the time.

[Tb1]

Sending one of the hottest crowds of the year home completely dead, didn't seem odd to you?

I wouldn't describe it as "odd". I thought Orton winning was fine, and I thought the match itself was wonderfully booked. You guys are acting as if he grabbed the briefcase and there was utter silence. He got a pop when he pulled it down. Nothing like as if Bryan had grabbed it, sure, but fine pop and ending yo an overall highly entertaining show in my opinion.

[Nark Order]

He pulled it down and people immediately started looking for their car keys. Not the ending you want to your main event. Nobody really cared. If Bryan had won, the roof would've blown off of the fucking building. So many missed opportunities in WWE. Really hate them sometimes.

[Heisenberg]

If not, there's a download feature also where you can just download it to your phone. I dl pods to my galaxy all the time.

found it, thanks man

[Nark Order]

found it, thanks man

np, mang. We'll also be on iTunes soon so there shouldn't be all too many problems in the future.

[Innovator]

He pulled it down and people immediately started looking for their car keys. Not the ending you want to your main event. Nobody really cared. If Bryan had won, the roof would've blown off of the fucking building. So many missed opportunities in WWE. Really hate them sometimes.
Daniel Bryan doesn't need the briefcase, he's main eventing Summerslam on his own.

[Nark Order]

Daniel Bryan doesn't need the briefcase, he's main eventing Summerslam on his own.

Randy Orton doesn't need a breifcase either. Wouldn't you rather send the crowd some happy instead of with thoughts of suicide?


Randy Orton is a FACE, by the way.

[Innovator]

Orton does need the briefcase, he needs SOMETHING. He's been stagnant since early 2012. This gives some level of interest to him as long as he's power walking around with the case. How many crowds have gone home disappointed because Cena prevailed against the odds? Too many to count. You can't mortgage whatever long term plans you have laid out because the last image people have might not be their perfect scenario.

I don't like Orton that much, so damn you guys for making me defend him.

[Nark Order]

Randy Orton is a failed experiment and it drives me nuts that they keep on going with him like something is going to change. They gave him the ball on several occasions and he has dropped it every single time. Between him having all of the wellness violations and him being apart of the worst WM main event match in recent memory with Triple H, what is the upside of the guy? He can't cut a promo in less than 10 minutes because he drawls every word out, he's a total fuckhead that's gotten several people fired, he can't stop doing drugs apparently, he's completely dependent on rest holds in 100% of his matches, and he's getting little crowd reaction as of late as a face. What is it that I'm missing with this guy?

I think everyone has just been conditioned to believe he's going to be something big. He's had his opportunities and he has squandered all of them. Time to move on.

[Tb1]

And I don't think we really thought the PPV was bad as a whole. Lots of good stuff but with Cena winning by draping his arms over Henry's face, a very bland IC title match, a pretty weird Ryback match, and Randy Boreton winning the main event... It left me feeling confused. The crowd seriously just died after the Orton fiasco. You don't want your crowd worrying about traffic half a second after the main event. Just nobody cared at all.

I thought the IC Title match was solid, if a little short. My problem is them booking it in a filler role as opposed to a marquee match. I also enjoyed Jericho/Ryback. As for this Orton no-pop business, what are you guys on about? Again, it wasn't second coming of Steve Austin but it was a fine pop for a crowd that had been popping for the last 3+ hours and just saw disputably the most over guy in the match get betrayed by his "best friend" moments earlier.


Bad quality, but:


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[Poit]

For all his faults, Randy Orton is still over with the crowd. I still think that he could put someone over massively by losing a surprise cash-in.

[Heisenberg]

We will not give Jay Bradley any more chances

[Nark Order]

Daniel Bryan, RVD, Sheamus, and CM Punk are MUCH BETTER long term solutions than Randy Orton. Infinitely better. What is in the longterm plan for Randy Orton? A horrible WM main event again? A wellness violation? Him getting somebody fired?

And I don't really think Orton needs the briefcase at all, as he's an established star. They could bring him into the main event at any time and nobody would really dispute it. It's kind of like the Kane and Big Show thing. No matter how much they are gone or how much they lose, they can be brought into the main event at any time and still be a threat. If Bryan had the briefcase, along with this meteoric rise he's having, it would be perfect. It would keep this Bryan excitement going for a long time instead of having him just job to Cena at SS and killing it all.

[Poit]

Fuck, even I'm defending Orton here.

[Tb1]

Randy Orton doesn't need a breifcase either. Wouldn't you rather send the crowd some happy instead of with thoughts of suicide?


Randy Orton is a FACE, by the way.

He does, though. His promo on the RAW before speaks to that, as does his absence from the title picture over the past two years. The guys in the match that would've outpopped him don't need the briefcase.

[Innovator]

Sheamus is worse as a character than Orton. Better in the ring, but fucking cold than cold. Ice cold. ABSOLUTE ZERO.

[Nark Order]

It doesn't help his cause that he's just a bad person.

[Nark Order]

He does, though. His promo on the RAW before speaks to that, as does his absence from the title picture over the past two years. The guys in the match that would've outpopped him don't need the briefcase.

No, he doesn't. You can bring him in at any time and the everybody would be fine with it. He's like a 4 time world champion or something. You don't need a reason for him to have a title match.


And the crowd was totally dead. In comparison to anybody else winning it. It's like they just didn't care at all. They wasted all this time watching a wonderful match for WWE to just take a dump on the crowd's head. How much more time are we going to waste on a failed experiment?

[Nark Order]

God. I really hate Randy Orton. I need to lie down.

He had so much potential at one point. It's kind of sickening really.

[Tb1]

Daniel Bryan, RVD, Sheamus, and CM Punk are MUCH BETTER long term solutions than Randy Orton. Infinitely better. What is in the longterm plan for Randy Orton? A horrible WM main event again? A wellness violation? Him getting somebody fired?

And I don't really think Orton needs the briefcase at all, as he's an established star. They could bring him into the main event at any time and nobody would really dispute it. It's kind of like the Kane and Big Show thing. No matter how much they are gone or how much they lose, they can be brought into the main event at any time and still be a threat. If Bryan had the briefcase, along with this meteoric rise he's having, it would be perfect. It would keep this Bryan excitement going for a long time instead of having him just job to Cena at SS and killing it all.

Again, those are all guys that don't need the briefcase. What would CM Punk need with the briefcase? He's the top guy. Bryan's so hot right now, he doesn't need it either. RVD has a ton of buzz right now and he just returned, so he doesn't need it either. Orton's character needed a boost and this makes sense if we're going to talk about who has the most to gain out of winning that match (outside of Christian).

[Nark Order]

I just watched it again and I stand by what I said about the crowd reaction. There was an initial obligatory "Oh, somebody won" crowd reaction that still wasn't very big and then nothing.

If Bryan won then crowd would've blown their brains all over the arena and gone into excitement spasms.

[Innovator]

Also, on a nice vintage LOL TNA moment:

Remember Doc, that guy in Aces and Eights who is being groomed for a potential face turn and program? HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED.

[Nark Order]

Again, those are all guys that don't need the briefcase. What would CM Punk need with the briefcase? He's the top guy. Bryan's so hot right now, he doesn't need it either. RVD has a ton of buzz right now and he just returned, so he doesn't need it either. Orton's character needed a boost and this makes sense if we're going to talk about who has the most to gain out of winning that match (outside of Christian).

No, he doesn't. He's a former multiple time champion. You don't need a reason for a title shot when you are multiple time champion. You just don't. And even if nobody really needed the briefcase, why would you go with the most boring, risky option? He's proven he can't cut it in the main event of WM when everything is circled around him. He's proven that he can't "say no" to drugs. And he's proven to be a huge fucking asshole to guys in the locker room by getting them fired. What is the upside?


We've done this before.

[Nark Order]

Also, on a nice vintage LOL TNA moment:

Remember Doc, that guy in Aces and Eights who is being groomed for a potential face turn and program? HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED.

lol, yeah. I read that last night and my head hurt a little bit.

[Tb1]

No, he doesn't. You can bring him in at any time and the everybody would be fine with it. He's like a 4 time world champion or something. You don't need a reason for him to have a title match.


And the crowd was totally dead. In comparison to anybody else winning it. It's like they just didn't care at all. They wasted all this time watching a wonderful match for WWE to just take a dump on the crowd's head. How much more time are we going to waste on a failed experiment?

You could probably get away with bringing him into the title picture, sure, but I don't think it'd be a good idea. Orton's been on a cold streak recently, storyline wise, and he's the most logical guy to have won that match because it gives him something to do going forward. Bryan's story is already set for Summerslam. Punk's story is already set for Summerslam. I'm sure they've got something set for RVD. It would've been a complete waste for Bryan or Punk to win that match, the two guys that would've gotten the biggest pop. Bryan's already in the Summerslam main event and their hottest commodity and it would've been overkill to have him win it only to cash in a Summerslam.

[Tb1]

No, he doesn't. He's a former multiple time champion. You don't need a reason for a title shot when you are multiple time champion. You just don't. And even if nobody really needed the briefcase, why would you go with the most boring, risky option? He's proven he can't cut it in the main event of WM when everything is circled around him. He's proven that he can't "say no" to drugs. And he's proven to be a huge fucking asshole to guys in the locker room by getting them fired. What is the upside?


We've done this before.

How would you have booked the main event? Just curious. Everyone seems so insanely agitated but I haven't read a better idea.

[Nark Order]

Bryan didn't have to be in the main event of SS and I actually think it's a bad idea. I don't think they're going to have him beat Cena and the only two options other than that would be:

1.) Cena completely destroying his momentum and beating him cleanly for no reason.
2.) Having some sort of "cop out" ending with no finish that also destroys his momentum.


I would've had Bryan win MitB and keep these reaction going for months.


Now, if Bryan wins I'll completely shut the fuck up but I don't see that happening.

[Nark Order]

How would you have booked the main event? Just curious. Everyone seems so insanely agitated but I haven't read a better idea.

First, I would've had Henry beat Cena. Bryan wins the match, the crowd commits suicide out of excitement, and everyone in the world is happy for months. Scrap Bryan/Henry at Summerslam and draw out the reactions for a long while until he finally wins cleanly in a match set up ahead of time. In the weeks leading up, Henry just fucking destroys him at every turn to the point where Bryan looks like he will never be able to win the match. When the match comes Henry dominates almost the whole time until Bryan locks on the Yes lock and Henry can't get out of it. Henry finally taps and world peace is spread across the entire planet.


That's how I would've booked it because I'm not a WWE writer and I don't have a mental disability.

[Nark Order]

There would be no more war. All countries would have food and clean water. And Daniel Bryan would be WWE Champion.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Nobody needed the briefcase, because it was an ALL-STAR match. The guys in it are supposed to be established and over already.

Of the lot, they picked the one guy who would get the most muted reaction.

Giving it to Bryan would've put the crowd into a total frenzy, that would go down as one of the greatest pay-per-view endings of all time.

Then Bryan would show that he's the ultimate bad-ass, by giving Cena a month to prepare for the match at SummerSlam, instead of having this Make-a-Wish title shot handout business.

[Tb1]

First, I would've had Henry beat Cena. Bryan wins the match, the crowd commits suicide out of excitement, and everyone in the world is happy for months. Scrap Bryan/Henry at Summerslam and draw out the reactions for a long while until he finally wins cleanly in a match set up ahead of time. In the weeks leading up, Henry just fucking destroys him at every turn to the point where Bryan looks like he will never be able to win the match. When the match comes Henry dominates almost the whole time until Bryan locks on the Yes lock and Henry can't get out of it. Henry finally taps and world peace is spread across the entire planet.


That's how I would've booked it because I'm not a WWE writer and I don't have a mental disability.

I have no problem with that, but what would Cena be doing?

[Tb1]

Nobody needed the briefcase, because it was an ALL-STAR match. The guys in it are supposed to be established and over already.

Of the lot, they picked the one guy who would get the most muted reaction.

Giving it to Bryan would've put the crowd into a total frenzy, that would go down as one of the greatest pay-per-view endings of all time.

Then Bryan would show that he's the ultimate bad-ass, by giving Cena a month to prepare for the match at SummerSlam, instead of having this Make-a-Wish title shot handout business.


Again, I think you waste the briefcase cashing in at Summerslam since Bryan's already got his match. I'm all for cool pay per view moments, but you shouldn't make major booking decisions based on them.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just nobody even remotely cares about him at all.

lol. Come on. Even the guys on the "We hate Orton podcast" have admitted that Orton is over despite your hatred of him. Don't be so blind as to ride the smark crowd as representing "everyone". The man is fucking over.

[Savio]

For all his faults, Randy Orton is still over with the crowd. I still think that he could put someone over massively by losing a surprise cash-in.
It would put Daniel Bryan over huge is right after he beats Cena for the title he beats Orton after a surprise cash-in. :y:


Would completely kill Orton though. Mainly I think Orton should only be used to put over DB by losing his briefcase match

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Again, I think you waste the briefcase cashing in at Summerslam since Bryan's already got his match. I'm all for cool pay per view moments, but you shouldn't make major booking decisions based on them.
I don't see it as a waste. There are two money in the bank contracts, so I'm fine with one of them being cashed in like this.

[Dude Marsh]

You know what? I would have given the brifcase to RVD. As someone mentioned, nobody really needed the breifcase all that much. By having RVD win the briefcase, you get a huge hometown pop, send the fans home happy, and give him something to do for the few months he's back. Whenever he cashes in, it's not really important if he wins or loses. I'm sure he doesn't care either. He just wants a light schedule and he wants to be paid. Take advantage of the fact that he's motivated.

For Bryan, well, he's already in the main event. And in my dreams, he's winning. You can't take my dreams away from me. Because I'm sleeping when I'm dreaming.

[Nark Order]

I have no problem with that, but what would Cena be doing?

It isn't something that would need to be immediately worried about. There's no rush on Bryan cashing in. Cena could have his rematch with Henry and then move on to his next feud with whoever. Sheamus, Orton, Shield, Alberto, Big Show... They could definitely find something for him to do.

[Nark Order]

lol. Come on. Even the guys on the "We hate Orton podcast" have admitted that Orton is over despite your hatred of him. Don't be so blind as to ride the smark crowd as representing "everyone". The man is fucking over.

Little to no reaction at the PPV and no support whatsoever on RAW. The guy is supposed to be a face.


Normally the guy manages to get reactions here and there, but if they push somebody and the crowd goes dead, that's a bad sign.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm all for cool pay per view moments, but you shouldn't make major booking decisions based on them.

Exactly. WWE will be compelled to do it at SummerSlam though and that's why I think they'll put the title on Bryan. Whenever they're in some sort of true "If Cena wins, we riot" situation where he's facing an internet darling in front of a smark crowd, he seems to lose more often than not.

[Nark Order]

No, that's wrong. What major booking decision involves Orton? What is he going to do to wow everyone? He has proven many times that he can't handle being "the guy." So what can you even do with him at this point? It just seems like such a waste.

[Savio]

You can use him to put over Bryan

[Nark Order]

Orton is the antithesis of excitement. Everything he does is slow. So slow. God, thinking about it seriously makes me angry. He talks slow, his matches are slow, he relies on rest holds almost completely. Watch the MitB match over again. Him grabbing the briefcase seriously took like 1 full minute. Slowly climbing, slowly looking around, slowly unhooking. It is just brutal to watch. Absolutely brutal. Such a buzzkill.

[The Destroyer]

I haven't watched any wrestling in months to years, but due to enjoying the recent KOTF Cringecasts with similar lineups immensely,I will give this a listen.

[Innovator]

No, that's wrong. What major booking decision involves Orton? What is he going to do to wow everyone? He has proven many times that he can't handle being "the guy." So what can you even do with him at this point? It just seems like such a waste.
Narc, at this point it isn't "What can Orton do to wow everyone?", it's "What can Orton do to help make people?". The crowd sees him as a top guy. Him tapping out clean to Bryan helps solidify Bryan at the top. Him losing clean to Punk reinforces Punk after his hiatus. I think they're looking at Orton as a springboard for others.

[Nark Order]

Listen, I don't think Orton is the worst wrestler ever or anything, I just have a hard time seeing what his upside is. He are has two wellness violations. Putting stock into a guy that could be gone from the company at any moment seems downright irresponsible. He can't be depended on. The wellness issues aside, they've already tried everything with this guy and he either fucks it up or it doesn't go over. That wm match with Trips had one of the best buildups for a match that I've ever seen but when it came time to do or die, he died. The match was an awful, slow, anti-climatic mess. That was his shot and he blew it. To make matters worse, he is an immature dickhead. He forced Amy Weber, Palmer Cannon, and Ken Kennedy out of the company because he is a child.

You've got a guy that you can't depend on, that can't handle the responsibility of "top guy," and that can't behave himself on the road. Why are we investing in this?

[Nark Order]

He can put guys over without winning the main event of one of the biggest shows of the year. It killed the crowd and it wasn't necessary at all.

[Savio]

Didn't JBL cause Cannon to leave?

[Savio]

MITB is #5 at best when it comes to PPVs

[Nark Order]

Didn't JBL cause Cannon to leave?

Well, now I'm not sure. You could be correct.


Even so. Randy Orton deficated in Amy Weber's bag and got Ken Kennedy fired for a back drop. There was also a triple threat match with Orton/Kofi/Cena where Orton started yelling "stupid" at Kofi for a botch and then complained to management about him. The guy is a grade-A fuckface.

Not to mention he's slapped a reporter, stole the memory card out of a fan's camera after getting his picture taken, and is generally known to just be a huge dick in general to fans.

[Innovator]

Yeah JBL caused Cannon to quit.

Orton was also the guy who told Kofi to slow down his work and stop jumping around like a fucking idiot (my expression, not his, but hopefully it was his) and making everything look like shit. Kofi blew him off, hence midcard purgatory.

[Nark Order]

Orton wanting something slowed down. That doesn't sound like him.

[Innovator]

In that case he's 1000000000% right. Guys can make sandwiches waiting for Kofi to land a move.

[Nark Order]

I'll bet that's Orton's note to everybody. "Hey man, it's good. It would just be better if it was way slower. The people really respond to things that are ridiculously slow. Just be as slow as possible."

[Afterlife]

Orton blows.

[Savio]

I think Randy only does half of the stuff the internet blames him for. Sure he might have called Kofi stupid for a botched spot, but I doubt he went to management to call for his depush.

[Afterlife]

I think Randy only does half of the stuff the internet blames him for. Sure he might have called Kofi stupid for a botched spot, but I doubt he went to management to call for his depush.

Why?

[Savio]

Same reason the Internet always thinks CM Punk is in the dog house or that Brock Lesnar has NUCLEAR heat on him.

[Savio]

Lots of smarks own one of these:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2569/3990773797_5da7759405_z.jpg?zz=1

[ron the dial]

Randy Orton: ACCEPT IT

[Afterlife]

Randy Orton: ACCEPT IT

That seems to have been Creative's plan all along.

[Nark Order]

We're going to have opinions not everyone agrees with, that's all part of the fun. Everyone securely fasten your party hats.

[#1-norm-fan]

http://www.trbimg.com/img-51e3da14/turbine/bal-randy-orton-stands-tall-at-wwes-money-in-the-bank-20130715/400/16x9

[Fignuts]

Bryan wins at summer slam. Orton cashes in right there and beats Bryan.

Finally turns Orton heel which he is much better at. Given their recent interactions, this is the only reason I can see why they gave Orton the case. And I'm okay with it as long as Bryan comes out of the feud on top.

[James Steele]

Fuck Randy Orton and all of you who think Kofi Kingston is bad. Kofi Kingston is the fucking man (even with those stupid tattoos).

[Fignuts]

Called it.

[XL]

You can't call out Orton for being unreliable, then in the same paragraph say that RVD should have won the case. You mean the guy who got caught in possession of illegal substances while WWE and ECW Champion?

[James Steele]

Also, don't forget that he did this after they launched a 3rd brand and named it after his old company to build it around him.

[Afterlife]

Orton still blows.

[#1-norm-fan]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4boz0VlTU1r9ja2lo1_400.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/orton-1816618.jpg

[Savio]

You can't call out Orton for being unreliable, then in the same paragraph say that RVD should have won the case. You mean the guy who got caught in possession of illegal substances while WWE and ECW Champion?
lol :y:

[Nark Order]

You can't call out Orton for being unreliable, then in the same paragraph say that RVD should have won the case. You mean the guy who got caught in possession of illegal substances while WWE and ECW Champion?

RVD has two strikes? I don't think that he does. There's more to being unreliable than getting in trouble for substances. We've known of RVD's recreational use of marijuana for like 15 years and really the only time it has ever hindered him was that one incident. Yeah, that shouldn't have happened, but to my knowledge he hadn't had a violation before that or since that. I don't think RVDs reliability has really ever been in question, even after the RVD/Sabu smokefest.

[Poit]

I actually read the wellness policy a couple days ago, and when someone with strikes returns to the company, they only start out with 2 strikes if they were fired for having 3 strikes. I don't think this was the case for RVD, so he should potentially be starting with a clean slate, unless his contract says otherwise (which is possible, but I don't think we have any way of knowing that).

Also, XL didn't say anything about number of strikes.

[Nark Order]

Not to mention that marijuana infractions aren't punishable by suspension or at least they weren't when the whole incident happened. The only reason they got in trouble was because they had it on them in their car and there was a police report.

[Nark Order]

Also, XL didn't say anything about number of strikes.

I know. I'm stressing the differences between one and two strikes. There is quite the difference. When you have two strikes, you can really leave the company at any time.

[XL]

I'm not talking about strikes at all. I'm talking about "reliability". WWE finally pulled the trigger on RVD as a main eventer and he gets in trouble with the law. Not a great way to repay the company's faith in you.

[Nark Order]

Making a mistake is one thing. I'm mainly focused on the guys that make the same mistakes over and over again. Those are the guys you don't want to be throwing your stock into. Especially with the 3 strikes rule being in place. Anybody with 2 strikes is really risky to be throwing money into. Too many hard working guys that behave themselves to be tossing money at risky investments.

I think TNA shouldn't be messing around with Hardy either, to be fair. He's proven to be a perpetual fuck up.

[Heisenberg]

What about Jeff Hardy's "Creatures" though? I know some of them mean well, I'd hate for them to wonder around in fan purgatory until the next guy comes along and starts recalling the creatures...

[XL]

I agree wholeheartedly with regard to Orton; he would be a risky proposition. I feel RVD is in a similar boat though. You said yourself that his fondness of weed is well known, would you risk putting the briefcase/title in his hands if a repeat was possible?

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

If I was choosing to put my stock in one of the risky investments, I'd go with the one who isn't painfully boring.

For the record, at no point did I think WWE would put the briefcase on RVD. It would've shaken things up a bit, though.

Note: Orton winning doesn't shake anything, other than the collective heads of Tables, Ladders, & Podcast.

[KyleEmmott]

Nice Podcast! Told you I'd watch Afterlife

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I actually read the wellness policy a couple days ago, and when someone with strikes returns to the company, they only start out with 2 strikes if they were fired for having 3 strikes. I don't think this was the case for RVD, so he should potentially be starting with a clean slate, unless his contract says otherwise (which is possible, but I don't think we have any way of knowing that).

Also, XL didn't say anything about number of strikes.

Didn't RVD leave WWE before the Wellness Policy had strikes? Don't think he had any even with the arrest since weed isn't a strikable offense. Synthetic weed isn't weed for anybody who wants to bring up R-Truth and Bourne.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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Covering Main Event, NXT, Destination X, Smackdown, and Raw.

Starring: Narc, Jabba, Nowhere Man, and Poit.

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Stuff we mention in the podcast:

Bray Wyatt showing off Kane's mask (http://s21.postimg.org/x6urv1dw7/20130717_EP_LIGHT_wyatt_kane_C_homepage.jpg)

Brodie Lee kicking off some dude's head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEKdT12ORO0&feature=youtu.be)

[Nark Order]

www.facebook.com/tablesladderspodcast

Lick us on facebook

[el bobbo]

Thanks to Randy Orton for sponsoring this.

[Nark Order]

That Brodie Lee video is seriously the most mesmerizing thing I've ever laid eyes on. I think I've watched it like 150 times already.

[Innovator]

I had it going on repeat when I first found it

[ron the dial]

lol it demands repeat views

[Tazz Dan]

Stickied like it should be :y:

[Nark Order]

Who else wants to be stickied? I might have enough left.

[James Steele]

http://i.imgur.com/pL3kMNT.jpg

[Hanso Amore]

Fucking horrible, when did this start? I made it 28 minutes in and I quit.

jabba I love your posting but your voice is drizzling shits.

Keep it up.

[Hanso Amore]

BTW Narc > Poit > Nowhere Man > jabba on this show

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'm sorry you're unable to enjoy the podcast, Hanso.

[Nark Order]

This is not helping your case as a miserable fun hating monster, Hanso. I appreciate that you tried though .

[Afterlife]

Fucking horrible, when did this start? I made it 28 minutes in and I quit.

jabba I love your posting but your voice is drizzling shits.

Keep it up.

Don't worry; I'll be back to save the show this week.

[el bobbo]

Did any of you guys run into the ring and rack Randy in the nuts?

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

This is why Afterlife wasn't on the show last week. Travelling to Seth Efrica.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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Covering Main Event, NXT, Impact, Smackdown, and Raw.

Starring: Afterlife, Nowhere Man, Poit, and special guest Heisenberg.

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[Heisenberg]

Sin Cara should always be shuffling through trash in the back

[loopydate]

I was really expecting Cara to pull the MitB case out of the trash after Sandow walked away, shrug, and keep it.

[Heisenberg]

Thrift Shop Sin Cara

[loopydate]

Also, to follow up on a gag from last week, I'd call Sin Cara's talk show "Point/Counterpoint" and have it consist entirely of him pointing at his guest angrily.

[Nowhere Man]

Bringing it all together, Sin Cara should accidentally stumble across a used talk-show set (like Edge's or something) while rooting through the trash, and just decide to start hosting his own segment.

[#1-norm-fan]

http://most.themost10.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/The-Merv-Griffin-Show-Seinfeld.jpg

I'm sure someone knows how to photoshop.

[James Steele]

http://i.imgur.com/0PejkfW.jpg

[Heisenberg]

I have Matt Hardy's OOHH YEAHHH theme stuck in my head

[Heisenberg]

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DAMMIT TO HELL!!! OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nark Order]

What happened to Matt Hardy? He used to slap tornados and now he has trouble saying sentences.

[KyleEmmott]

What happened to Matt Hardy? He used to slap tornados and now he has trouble saying sentences.
I MISS MATT HARDY, LOL.

[#1-norm-fan]

What happened to Matt Hardy? He used to slap tornados and now he has trouble saying sentences.

He can write them like nobody's business though...

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[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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Covering Main Event, NXT, Impact, Smackdown, and Raw.

Starring: Narc, Jabba, Nowhere Man, & Poit.

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[DAMN iNATOR]

(Unstick Please). I'll bet that's what every page of every issue of PlayGirl that Jabba owns cries out every day. :lol::rofl:

[Tazz Dan]

Stuck :y:

[Innovator]

Having trouble downloading it from podbean

[Nark Order]

I'll look into it. Every once In awhile podbean has some hiccups. Should be alright soon.

[XL]

Hadn't realised Punk cut his chin but I seemed there was a clash of heads when Punk launched himself at Brock on the outside. Could have happened then.

The thing with Steph/HHH, was I the only one who thought Steph was pulling HHH's strings?

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

It's possible, however... she was pretty much begging Triple H not to destroy Vince a few weeks ago, so I don't see why she'd have to manipulate him into doing it now.

[Innovator]

It would make sense for her to side with Triple H, since it is their company and will be for a long time. So she'll side with Vince, leading to Linda/HHH vs. Steph/Vince ANYTHING GOES

[Innovator]

HE COUNTED 3 ON THE FUCKING GLASS, COME THE FUCK ON

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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Covering Main Event, NXT, Impact, Smackdown, and Raw.

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[VSG]

I am gonna blame Narc's chins for that intro.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

It was Nowhere Man, actually.

[Nark Order]

I normally do them but Cayse wanted to bust out some Big Show greatness this week.

[Schlomey]

I wish I could subscribe to this on my ipad/iphone like all my other podcasts.......

[Nark Order]

What do you mean, Schlomey? An RSS feed?

[Nark Order]

Just poked around Shlomey. There is a way and it is on the page. For those of you wondering, this is our RSS feed.

http://tablesladderspodcast.podbean.com/feed/

[Innovator]

Mr. Nowhere Man is the Incredible Smark Hulk. He must learn to control the rage within.

[Nark Order]

To be fair, it is absolutely ridiculous to take such a hot feud and make it about Triple H and the McMahons. Triple H has to try to get in on every hot feud there ever is and it is really annoying.

[Innovator]

It is annoying that when someone gets hot as a character, they have to bring them into the fold "their way". It's not as egregious yet as when Punk was put into a feud with Nash then HHH then wore HHH's blazer though.

I'm still excited for the match, now we have the match plus all of the other variables. It's close to the Attitude Era where you have no idea what is going to happen.

[Nark Order]

Schlomey, I subscribed on my app pretty easily, I just had to do it manually with the RSS feed provided. If you're talking about iTunes, you're right. We aren't on iTunes yet but we'll get on it soon.

[Schlomey]

yay!

[Nark Order]

Submitted to iTunes, guys. Waiting on approval which might take a week or two. Will let you know when it goes up.

[Poit]

It is annoying that when someone gets hot as a character, they have to bring them into the fold "their way". It's not as egregious yet as when Punk was put into a feud with Nash then HHH then wore HHH's blazer though.

Oh come on. "Can I wear your blazer?" "You can wear my blazer!" was hilarious.

[Innovator]

Sure it was funny, but it wasn't the same Punk who called Triple H a doofus three months prior.

[Schlomey]

I recently found a podcast called "top 5 of death" where a bunch of dudes sit around and give out their top 5's for different categories (simpsons episodes/movies etc..) you should do a show like that!

[Innovator]

Kinda want to see you guys do what Live Audio Wrestling does and review an old show once in a while.

Mainly, I want to hear Mr. Man's nostalgic review of anything from RAW 2002-2004.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

We will be doing some specials on other topics.

[Poit]

Sure it was funny, but it wasn't the same Punk who called Triple H a doofus three months prior.

Is that supposed to be a complaint?

[Innovator]

Yeah, Punk went from being angry anti-authority babyface to just joshing it with the COO.

[Poit]

But... Punk explained that. He said that he still had a problem with the company, but he had dealt with his problem with Triple H.

[Heisenberg]

I really want the podcast to be more accessible, so iTunes would be tits mcgrits for me. I could bring my iPad to work and set that sumbitch up and listen to my podcast that way. Mad heel heat at work when ppl come by and look at the screen and I turn on them right there. Don't look at my fuckin' screen unless you are going to listen to it fully, motherfucker, I tell them.

[Nark Order]

Our iTunes request was approved and it should be up in a matter of hours. Your wish is our command, Heisenberg.

[Heisenberg]

Man, that's going to be awesome. I didn't want to poop on the current setup, it was just more difficult with my work routine and lack of service at my desk area. This will cure it all. Plus I can plug the show better and be able to snatch motherfucker's smartphones up and show them how to get the show dl'ed right to their face.

[Nark Order]

Word

[Nark Order]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/tablesladderspodcast/id688904597

There's the iTunes link.

[Nark Order]

Would appreciate some positive ratings on the iTunes site when possible. Love.

[Nark Order]

Follow us on twitter @tablesladders

[Poit]

Like us on Facebook! Follow us on Twitter!

[Schlomey]

like them on google groups. follow them on Xanga!

[Schlomey]

if ever needing a fill in guy I'd love to get in on this one day. I have insight the likes that have never been seen or heard in pod format.

[Heisenberg]

I'd love to reprise my role during Schlomey's appearance, we can conjure up some mean lookin' lists to go over

[GD]

Hey guys! Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to go through your stuff. I promise to do so and ya'll have my best wishes.

[#1-norm-fan]

Alright... there's two different definitions of "wrestler". An outside kayfabe definition and an inside kayfabe definition. The first one is the one we usually use. That's the one Bryan's kinda breaking the fourth wall and mentioning when he talks about Cena "not being a real wrestler". It has to be. Within kayfabe, Cena constantly wins titles and big matches and thus is probably the best wrestler in the world.

Cena is trying to keep kayfabe going by countering Bryan's semi-shoot on his wrestling skills with "You're wrong. I have been WRESTLING all over the world for 12 years."

Now with that being said, how the fuck can you get mad at CENA for "trying to be the underdog" in a promo where he simply defends himself after Bryan basically tells him he's not a great wrestler AND THEN tells Bryan he's not as good as other guys he's beaten AND THEN has Bryan say he doesn't even respect his skills enough to practice his crazy ancient Japanese technique on him.

In any world other than "Bryan can do no wrong so I must blindly try to blame the other guy because I'm unhappy with something" world, that's Bryan trying to put himself above Cena and Cena trying to put himself and his past opponents above Bryan. Where does "Dammit! Cena trying to make himself the underdog!" come in??

[Nowhere Man]

Yeah, if you take everything in kayfabe as complete canon, then sure, within the fictional constraints of their characters and their world, Cena is the best kayfabe-wrestler because he wins titles and matches all the time.

The problem is that in a program like this, kayfabe isn't completely up and frankly shouldn't be completely up. I don't have to be a cynical internet-smark-type to recognize patterns and trends in the show, and for a significant portion of his WWE career, the pattern was that Daniel Bryan was the guy that everyone liked but didn't get to win matches because he wasn't the guy that Vince and company wanted to push. Hell, that's why Vince is in this program in the first place-- his character coming down and saying Bryan can't be Champion because he's small and funny-looking is basically an extension of WWE Creative's attitude towards Bryan for years before hitting it big with the "YES!" thing.

No serious person totally buys into kayfabe all the time when they're watching the show, or thinks that wins and losses have anything to do with a wrestler's actual athletic ability [EDIT: Even Cena doesn't buy into kayfabe all the time either, since he routinely pokes fun at his using the "Five Moves of Doom" and whatnot while trolling on Cena-bashers]. And while getting the crowd to chant "YES!" with him all the time played a big part in making him more popular, the fact that Bryan routinely has had the best match of the night on virtually every show for the better part of a year now, the fact that he's blatantly and clearly got more love for the art of wrestling than Cena, is what makes him the crowd favorite. And having Cena counter that with pure kayfabe, trying to shut down Bryan by saying "I AM THE BEST WRESTLER BECAUSE I WIN ALL THE MATCHES," comes off as disingenuous and frankly insulting.

Also, fuck you for implying that I'm 'blindly following' a wrestler that I like and criticizing another wrestler for saying something stupid.

[#1-norm-fan]

I didn't say you were blindly following him. I said you were blindly blaming someone else for something you find wrong as to not have to knock Bryan.

My point is that you get pissed at Cena making himself out out be the underdog as if Bryan flat out saying "I'm better than you" doesn't do just that and Cena saying "You're not as good as my past opponents" doesn't do the exact opposite of that. You're cherry picking to make Cena seem like he was just ruining everything while ignoring whatever you need to make it seem like Bryan was perfect.

And how is it insulting for Cena, in character, to say "I am the best because I win all the time"? That's ridiculous. You're blasting a wrestler for saying in a promo that he's great because he's able to win. Going into a match that both guys are trying to win. I mean... even with the kayfabe-line blurred, Bryan is also "trying to win". That's the important thing to both guys as opposed to "trying to be better at the art of wrestling".

[GD]

Would appreciate some positive ratings on the iTunes site when possible. Love.

I provided an in-depth review.

[Nowhere Man]

Meh, you can have this one, I'm heading out for dinner.

[Juan]

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[#1-norm-fan]

WWE gave the crowd what they wanted. KUDOS!

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[Schlomey]

Having serious downloading issues....every time i try and download the episodes on my phone it is saying there is a download error.....that was the day it was put out...has that issue been fixed?

im talking about itunes obviously

[Nark Order]

Oh shit. Uhh. Yeah. Ill look into it. I was able to listen to it via itunes on my ipad. Anybody else having itunes issues?

[Heisenberg]

me. can't search for it on my iPad. they're keeping me down!! idk if I should reinstall the Podcast app or not

[Nark Order]

Well fuck. I just downloaded it on the podcast app perfectly and am able to stream. Hmmm

[Heisenberg]

Don't worry, I'm sure once I settle my piss down from work I'll figure it out.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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Covering Main Event, NXT, Hardcore Justice, Smackdown, SummerSlam, & Raw.

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[Nark Order]

QUESTION OF THE WEEK: Do you like Orton as the "corporate champion?" Why or why not? Do you think anybody else would be better suited for this role?

We're starting a new thing where we have a question of the week and worthy responses will be read on the next podcast. Don't be a dick. Give a couple of sentences/short paragraph

[slik]

I'm fine with it. His character has an arrogance to him that makes it seem like he joined because he didn't have much else to do and 'of course, why would they not ask me?'

Orton hasn't been very interesting in a long time. I think his last feud with HHH pretty much derailed all interest in his character so it's kind of fitting that teaming up with HHH has the potential to redeem his character.

[Juan]

I've been overly entertained by Randy Orton since his feud with Christian for the WHC a while back. It's up to him to deliver now.

[loopydate]

Hot yoga is literally yoga done in a really really hot room. They crank the heat, and you sweat out all the toxins or whatever while you stretch. Had an ex-girlfriend who used to do that and it certainly worked for her.

[Innovator]

The temperature is usually around 105 Fahrenheit (40 C)

[Nark Order]

I know what hot yoga is, you son of a bitch. How dare you.

[Innovator]

QUESTION OF THE WEEK: Do you like Orton as the "corporate champion?" Why or why not? Do you think anybody else would be better suited for this role?

We're starting a new thing where we have a question of the week and worthy responses will be read on the next podcast. Don't be a dick. Give a couple of sentences/short paragraph
Randall Keith Orton should be the one of the Corporate Champ role:

There really wasn't a top heel before he turned. You have Del Rio, but he is already the World Heavyweight Champion. Brock is in another category since he is never around. Who else is there? Turning Orton gives you that missing top heel.


Another point, if he is a Corporate Champ, he might start wearing pants.

[slik]

Another point, if he is a Corporate Champ, he might start wearing pants.

Even when Orton tries the whole 'wearing pants' thing someone just ends up taking them off.

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[Innovator]

Seriously, outside of Cena and Punk, guys really need to get away from the tshirt over their trunks look. It looks like they're all 12 year old girls at a sleep over.

[el bobbo]

Great podcast guys. Really enjoyed the individual breakdowns of the Summerslam ending. Forgot who said it, but I agreed the most with the one that said: They know what they're doing, but everything has to go perfectly or it will all be fucked...

Keep this up guys. It's good shit.

[el bobbo]

Whoever said that thing about Daniel Bryan not finding anyone to fight the corporation, but here comes JOHN CENA.... that is such a fucking bleak way to look at things.

A bleak way to look at things that's probably going to happen.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

QUESTION OF THE WEEK: Do you like Orton as the "corporate champion?" Why or why not? Do you think anybody else would be better suited for this role?

We're starting a new thing where we have a question of the week and worthy responses will be read on the next podcast. Don't be a dick. Give a couple of sentences/short paragraph

Had Sheamus not gotten injured I think he would have been the perfect choice to be the Corporate Champion with his good friendship with Triple H. They are putting a lot on the line and a lot of pressure on a guy with a seriously questionable track record of reliability. I guess the writers are just writing what they know and what they know is not knowing what the hell they are doing.

[loopydate]

QUESTION OF THE WEEK: Do you like Orton as the "corporate champion?" Why or why not? Do you think anybody else would be better suited for this role?

I think Sheamus would have been a good choice, as well, but circumstances obviously won't allow that.

My answer would have required different booking for the last two years, but - had they not completely neutered him - Wade Barrett would be perfect in this role. He's got the "superstar look," the "superstar build," and he's never been there before. He could have been the "reformed" rebel that HHH took under his wing. He sees himself in Wade, a guy who literally started at the bottom of the roster, played the game, took his lumps, but proved himself both as a rebellious leader of men and as a "company guy." HHH could brag that the first English WWE Champion would be great for business internationally, as well.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Realistically, Orton is probably the best guy for the role given the current roster. With that said though, he lacks something. He's easy to hate in this role, but he doesn't scream "corporate." Mainly because I can't picture Randy putting on the suit and doing all the stuff a "corporate" champ in this day and age would do.

This is why I love the idea of it being Cena... A guy who doesn't have to change. He is the face of the company, he does all the PR stuff, he busts his ass for the company. Cena "cares" about the business. I don't buy Orton as caring about the business, only himself.


So with that in mind, I think the only guy on the roster I could see better filling the role, oddly enough, would be The Miz. His face turn has, no one cares about him, yet he is the guy that throws on the suit and goes to all the premiers, etc. If you cut off the "edge" he had as a heel before, and make him a blatant corporate tool, it'd work. Plus, The Miz would need the "corporation" backing him more than someone like Orton. It's more of a symbiotic relationship. The Miz needs them, and they need the Miz. With Orton, I get the feeling they need him, but he doesn't need them.

[#1-norm-fan]

Orton does need them though because they want him to be the corporate champion and therefore as long as they're on his side, they will do whatever it takes to keep him as the corporate champion. It's beneficial to both parties and all the heels can still be selfish dicks looking out for themselves and their business.

[Ultra Mantis]

The Miz doesn't belong anywhere near the main event right now, let alone in a dominant top heel role.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Orton does need them though because they want him to be the corporate champion and therefore as long as they're on his side, they will do whatever it takes to keep him as the corporate champion. It's beneficial to both parties and all the heels can still be selfish dicks looking out for themselves and their business.

I say Orton doesn't need them because he's proven in the past he can be a top guy, and essentially beat anyone without a problem. Basically it's the feeling that Orton could/would turn on them at anytime, just because he can.

The Miz doesn't belong anywhere near the main event right now, let alone in a dominant top heel role.


That's the nice part of it, he doesn't have to be "dominant" himself. He has HHH, Vince, Steph, and The Shield backing him. He can be obnoxious, and obviously "not good enough" to be there, but he keeps winning because of them. It's heel heat 101. Maybe 201.

[Heisenberg]

iTunes allowed me to subscribe to the podcast. I had two parts of the cast I wanted to comment on, but I just fuckin' spaced out while entering the thread. Fucking christ me, this is embarrassing. Leaving thread

[Afterlife]

Come on, Heisenberg, get your shit together.

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Question Of The Week:

If you had been running TNA for the last few months, during their budget cuts, who would you have released, and why?

[Innovator]

Question Of The Week:

If you had been running TNA for the last few months, during their budget cuts, who would you have released, and why?

Honestly, Hogan and Bischoff would be #1 and #2. Hogan never hypes TNA in his media appearances and he doesn't bring anything to the product, other than costing TNA upwards of $30k per taping. Bischoff admitted a couple months ago he wasn't giving it his best effort to the wrestlers, admitting he was phoning it in. He sat there in a production meeting and said that they should pair up Angelina Love and Winter...AFTER the lesbian time traveling angle. The only thing Bischoff can do is go back to the well and revive the nWo or another stable.


Going down the roster page, kinda slim pickings. Hernandez doesn't bring anything to the table other than one of the most contrived spots in wrestling currently with his stupid ramp dive. Only spot more contrived is Christian's jumping over the top rope to the outside to deliver a slap. King Mo probably will never wrestle for the company. Anderson annoys the fuck out of me, personally. Other than those 3, I see value for everyone on the page, even Manik/Suicide/Depressed/Moody/Content.

[Emperor Smeat]

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Question Of The Week:

If you had been running TNA for the last few months, during their budget cuts, who would you have released, and why?

Agree with Innovator that Hogan and Bischoff should be at the top or near the top. If I had to take a guess, the savings from dropping Hogan alone covers most if not all of what TNA saved so far from all the releases done.

Would have still released Jesse Sorensen but would have done a better job of explaining why. TNA had no desire to ever medically clear him to return to the ring and he started to care less about his management job even though he was getting paid more as part of his injury compensation.

Unless Spike and/or Bellator was paying for both Tito and Rampage, would have tossed out both because realistically neither is really going to help TNA and are money drains.

Probably would target more on the management side than wrestler side considering they've been the source for the majority of TNA's real problems and issues.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Hogan, Bischoff, Tenay, Tazz, JB.

Time for a clean slate not just in terms of management but announcers also. You can change who runs things all you want but if the announcers are the same it appears to the public that nothing has changed. I'd find cheaper replacements for Tenay and Taz (That Todd Kennely guy wasn't that bad maybe him and some retiring wrestler on the cheap) . I think it's time for Tenay to go because he reminds me too much of WCW. Taz was willing to go back to WWE, so they should cut him for being a disloyal ass. If Jeremy Borash still wants to be in the behind the scenes stuff (and announcing house shows) he can stay but with a pay cut.

I'm sure Bellator and Spike are fronting most of the bill for Tito and Rampage. So, I don't buy the idea that people released were cut to pay them. Panda is probably just wanting to lower their costs since the ratings aren't improving and there's no reason to have a large roster with a large payroll and still get 1.0's.

[loopydate]

You have to start with the Hogans and the Bischoffs. You spend so much money to bring in the two masterminds of the last time WWE had legitimate competition, and they don't move the needle at all. They're eating up payroll, giving TV time to their untalented offspring, and giving the company no payoff.

I'm assuming that the Bellator stuff is paid for by Spike. So, even though I don't think King Mo, Rampage, or Tito add anything to the show, it's not costing Panda any money, so I'll let them slide.

Hernandez, Jay Bradley, and Rob Terry are just terrible. Let them go. Jessie Godderz is doing all right in this Bro-Mans team, but Robbie is the real star there, so Jessie can go, too.

I'm okay with them cutting Taeler Hendrix and Crimson, but Joey Ryan and Madison Rayne still had gas in the tank. I'm indifferent to Christian York (liked him in ECW), so I guess I'm okay with him getting cut.

I can't believe Jeff Hardy is still under contract after the Victory Road fiasco. He seems to be doing okay now, but if I was running TNA, he'd have been gone years ago.

In summary: Hulk and Brooke Hogan, Eric and Garrett Bischoff, Hernandez, Jay Bradley, Rob Terry, Jessie Godderz, Taeler Hendrix, Crimson, and Jeff Hardy

[Innovator]

Yeah I saw Spike is footing the bill for King Mo, Rampage, and Tito. King Mo, you're safe...for now.

Since they're cutting pregnant knockouts, I expect Tayrn to get cut now also.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

You have to start with the Hogans and the Bischoffs. You spend so much money to bring in the two masterminds of the last time WWE had legitimate competition, and they don't move the needle at all. They're eating up payroll, giving TV time to their untalented offspring, and giving the company no payoff.

I'm assuming that the Bellator stuff is paid for by Spike. So, even though I don't think King Mo, Rampage, or Tito add anything to the show, it's not costing Panda any money, so I'll let them slide.

Hernandez, Jay Bradley, and Rob Terry are just terrible. Let them go. Jessie Godderz is doing all right in this Bro-Mans team, but Robbie is the real star there, so Jessie can go, too.

I'm okay with them cutting Taeler Hendrix and Crimson, but Joey Ryan and Madison Rayne still had gas in the tank. I'm indifferent to Christian York (liked him in ECW), so I guess I'm okay with him getting cut.

I can't believe Jeff Hardy is still under contract after the Victory Road fiasco. He seems to be doing okay now, but if I was running TNA, he'd have been gone years ago.

In summary: Hulk and Brooke Hogan, Eric and Garrett Bischoff, Hernandez, Jay Bradley, Rob Terry, Jessie Godderz, Taeler Hendrix, Crimson, and Jeff Hardy

Hardy sells merch. They'd be morons to let him go.

[loopydate]

TNA sells merch?

[Ultra Mantis]

Sure they do. Forget those tacky t-shirts when you can get quality stuff like this.


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[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't really see the Aces & Eights guys as being very necessary. The one I thought was pretty good was DOC, but he's already left. Knux is solid, but nothing special. I'd have sent Wes Brisco and Garett Bischoff back to OVW. Devon could go there as a trainer or get released. Ken Anderson is a maybe, since he apparently is one of TNA's best merch movers (well, he was a few years back).

Creatively, I think it would be the best thing to get rid of Hogan and Bischoff, as well. I'm sure they get paid a fair bit. Also, given that he is now unable to challenge for the World Heavyweight Title, they might as well move away from Sting and focus on younger talents. A heel ending Sting's TNA career would be a huge thing for that particular heel, and give an avenging babyface a good storyline.

Truth be told, I think it's time that Abyss was respectfully released too. He's entertaining as Joseph Park and all that, but it just doesn't really feel right. I'm not sure how much he gets paid, but I imagine he gets a fair amount due to his tenure with the company. I'd induct him into the TNA Hall of Fame or something and maybe bring him back for special occasions. Maybe he could even replace Taz as the color commentator for the show, dropping the whole Abyss/Joseph Park thing and simply being a respected veteran who calls matches now.

Jay Bradley does nothing for me. If he wants to take a cut and go to OVW and see if he can strike gold, go ahead, but I don't really think he fits the main roster. I feel the same about Gunner -- he's technically a solid performer, but there's nothing really magnetic or special about him. I'd have Bad Influence win the World Tag Team Titles from him and James Storm and then have Gunner turn on Storm in a rage. Storm beats Gunner and then we move on.

Crimson and Rob Terry are two guys I wouldn't be too depressed to see go, either. Jessie Godderz getting released wouldn't be a shocking loss for the company. Robbie E. is far better than people give him credit for, but I don't think he's really essential to the company moving forward. If cuts had to be made, I'd go with him getting the chop.

I'd have kept Christian York and Taeler Hendrix (treating Taeler better). The Knockouts and X-Division should really be strengthened with permanent characters that people can care about. TNA should invest in some good tag teams too. There are also some former WWE stars that could actually help out TNA with their charisma and presence -- guys who would actually fit the roster.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I can't believe Aces & Eights has been going on for over 14 months now. The storyline has been terrible, has made no sense (a frequent requirement for TNA), and has just dragged on for way too long. These guys aren't the nWo. Hell, they haven't even been the Nexus. Just fuck off. I love Bully Ray obviously, but he doesn't need this group to be entertaining.

Brisco & Bischoff are just shit. Ortiz and the other MMA guys bring zero value to TNA and are only to promote Bellator. People who watch TNA may tune in to Bellator, but it sure as shit would never be the other way around.

I used to love Mr. Anderson in WWE and before his body betrayed him I thought he was going to be huge. He's not awful by any means, but the reality is he doesn't bring anything special to the table, he's just average across the board. Perhaps I would like him more if he rolled with it and just started wrestling as "Average Goods" Ken Anderson.</font>

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Question Of The Week:

Which were the greatest animals in professional wrestling, and why?

[Tazz Dan]

Answer for question of the week would have to be a toss-up between Frankie, Koko B Ware's parrot, and Damien, Jake 'The Snake' Roberts snake. Damien probably has the edge, because he was a fucking big snake.

Matilda the Bulldog gets points also.

[James Steele]

Triple H's dog Lucy during the build to WrestleMania X8.

[James Steele]

The whole fake snakebite angle from an episode of SmackDown during the HHH/Austin feud in 2000 was pretty great too.