Tables, Ladders, & Podcast - Current episode: #74 (October 22, 2014)

[Tazz Dan]

Maybe the question was meant to be about a Road Warrior or Batista?

[Poit]

Maybe the question was meant to be about a Road Warrior or Batista?

*scowl*

[Big Vic]

Just wanted to bump this to say I was 100% right in this thread especially during this exchange (me in white, Afterlife purple):


Losing via underhanded tactics did not tarnish his rep, Yes it did it made the fans crave his victory. No it didn't they stopped caring. After he lost the TLC match to punk how many times did you see people spam post "THE RYBACK"? Not much if at all. the allure to him was gone. ANd...how is a one-on-one event like a 3 stages of hell match with the WWE CHampion considered "on his way down the card"? I would bet after his program with Cena you will see him fall down the card, he has already peaked (i.e. Khali in 2007)

[Heisenberg]

Next week we breakdown the impact and importance of a properly executed Chokeslam

[loopydate]

I still think Los Matadores will bring Mantaur to the ring with them.

...

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

We live in hope.

[#1-norm-fan]

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[#1-norm-fan]

I can't think of any animals that were involved as much as Damien. Right down to Earthquake murdering him in cold blood. Awesome childhood rasslin' memories. So, him.

Honorable mention goes to The British Bulldogs' dog Matilda.

Also, Pepper and all of his cousins who ran around the ring shitting and pissing during the Kennel from Hell match.

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[Emperor Smeat]

Jake Roberts snake pet "Damien" mainly because of how involved his pet was in regards to storylines and his character in general.

Do fake animals count since the Swagga Soaring Eagle was pretty good until becoming just a laughing stock once Hornswoggle got involved I think.

[Next Big Thing]

Fuck Damien. That cobra that bit Randy Savage was the most badass animal to ever grace the WWE. All I could find was the WWE censored version.

I can only imagine what seeing that live must have felt like.

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[Next Big Thing]

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[Afterlife]

Holy shit.

[Poit]

Do fake animals count since the Swagga Soaring Eagle was pretty good until becoming just a laughing stock once Hornswoggle got involved I think.

Since the Swagger Soaring Eagle came up in our discussion on the podcast, I think it's fair to count fake animals like that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh. In that case, I nominate The Gobbeldy Gooker and Pepe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would like it if TNA signed Karl Anderson to be Ken Anderson's tag team partner. The K. Andersons could be a pretty hard-hitting tag team for a division that needs some help.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Walking to work and I ran out of Steve Austin podcast episodes that interest me. Subscribed on itunes.

A: Whenever somebody wrestled a bear. If that actually happened.

[KyleEmmott]

When are you doing tonight's podcast, Afterlife won't get back to me..

[Heisenberg]

They usually start round this time, did u hit them up on Skype?

[KyleEmmott]

Yeah!

[Heisenberg]

What?? OK!

They were all on round the time we exchanged memos. Afterlife wasn't, but the others were.


I had to go chase down a kid who knocked on my door, so I wasn't on the panel. I caught that sumbitch tho

[Nark Order]

Sorry, Kyle. We already started and are almost finished. We can get you on in the future though. :)

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Afterlife fell asleep a few minutes before we started the show, I guess. He talked about wanting to get you on.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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Question Of The Week:

Who would you pick as the next Paul Heyman guy?

[Afterlife]

My bad.

[Nark Order]

The next Heyman guy should be somebody that doesn't look like they ate their former WWE personality.

[Ultra Mantis]

I'll really like to see Fandango as the Heyman guy, he's infinitely more interesting than McGillicutty. They could even revert back to the Johnny Curtis name and play off Heyman signing the "wrong Curtis" last time while explicitly telling us that Axel is terrible and he's really really sorry about the whole thing.

[Maluco]

Don't think they should abandon Axel completely, think there is an opportunity here...

I would go for Matt Morgan. He has good experience under his belt now, and his size makes him an immediate threat to someone like Punk. Lots of possibilities after that.

You could have Axel taking on a Mankind-esque role in Heyman's stable where he unwittingly believes he is being set up for greatness (while Morgan is now the focus of Heyman's attention), while being constantly left behind to take the beatings from Punk.

You can then have Morgan/Punk, and maybe Lesnar or a further Heyman guy interefering down the line, playing the numbers game against Punk. Axel could then get the sympathetic face turn aiding Punk against the monsters after teasing tensions over a period of months.

You could then do Morgan/Axel, Punk/Lesnar based off of that.

You could get a lot of legs out of an angle like that, and it might help not only establish Morgan in WWE, but create more of a personality and backstory for Axel...

[Innovator]

I'm kinda horrified by my voice

[Poit]

I think I like my mockery of Narc's voice more than my regular voice.

[loopydate]

I'll second the vote for Morgan. So much untapped potential. I would love to see Morgan brought in as Heyman's full-time muscle for his feud with Punk. He could also be a good foil for small guys, too, and Heyman could use him to go after other former protégés. Morgan/Mysterio would be a lot of fun, if Rey could ever stay healthy. Imagine a fresh-from-surgery Rey Rey getting laid out by a seven-foot monster with the brain of Paul Heyman guiding it. Morgan vs. Jericho as Paul looks for revenge after Pantsgate. Morgan vs. Sheamus. I could go on and on.

[Nowhere Man]

I think us in the C-Fed know the real reason you want Heyman to pick Matt Morgan, Loopy.

My pick for the next Paul Heyman Guy would actually be a two-fer: Brodus Clay and Tensai. Heyman's already got a midcard singles competitor with Axel, and a main-event draw with BRRRRROCK LLLLEEESNARRRRR, so why not take a crack at the tag team division? Brodus and Albert are two big huge guys who have pretty brutal movesets and could probably be built up as a good monster team if they drop the goofy dancing gimmick (which is redundant now that Fandango's around anyway). Plus, back in the day A-Train was one of Heyman's clients, so maybe he could turn to Paul for advice in the middle of a losing streak, then Paul could reinvent them as his way into taking over the tag team scene.

[loopydate]

Hey, just because it's greedy doesn't make it not true.

[Innovator]

I'm for that, as long as Punk reigns supreme in the end

[loopydate]

Nah. Morgan goes over Punk and Seymour in an epic encounter that sees him get Punk to tap out to the Nagata Lock after looking at him angrily. Afterwards, Morgan and Rey put aside their differences and form a new stable with a debuting Abyss. Maybe Jeff Hardy, too.

[loopydate]

Oh, also Goldust.

[loopydate]

And Hornswoggle. And Stacy Keibler.

And they all play D&D together.

[Poit]

I feel like I just read a Noid post covered in the semen of dreams.

[loopydate]

I think that's goin' in the sig.

[Nowhere Man]

Hah, you said Seymour instead of Rey.

[loopydate]

whoops.

[Innovator]

You forgot the AJ Lee/Rey Mysterio make out

[Nowhere Man]

The sheer fact that Ricardo Rodriguez is managing Rob Van Dam now opens up a whole new world of unspeakable evil for me to explore.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I think Paige will be the next Paul Heyman "guy."

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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This episode kicks off a contest, in which you can win a copy of WWE's DVD release: WARGAMES. Listen for more details.

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Here's a picture of Afterlife on Raw last night.

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Shame he's vanished since then, and missed this TLP.

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Questions Of The Week:

1) Which word should WWE add to the audience's vocabulary next week?

2) Who should be Bray Wyatt's next vessel?

[Mr. Nerfect]

My first thought on the next Paul Heyman Guy was Johnny Curtis. The man oozes charisma, but could use some "evolution" to take him to the next level. The dancing shtick doesn't even need to be dropped entirely. He can keep the outrageous outfits and his on-air alliance with Summer Rae, who becomes the first "Paul Heyman Girl." Rae's a pretty good heel and she could have a nice little Divas Championship run.

I've thought that Tensai & Brodus Clay would make great Paul Heyman Guys in the past. Everything Nowhere Man said about these guys is correct. They'd be more naturally suited to being a heel team. Call them "The Wrecking Balls" or something like that. They could dump The Funkadactyls (or maybe Naomi could turn heel and also align, although that might clash with Summer Rae if Curtis also joins).

Matt Morgan would be a good choice, and he's also got a past with Heyman. Now that Ryback is aligned with Heyman, I'm not sure if bringing in Morgan to the group is such a good idea though.

Kofi Kingston (shocking heel turn) and Zack Ryder are two other guys I've thought about joining Heyman recently too. Kofi would be a more serious one, but Ryder joining Heyman would make sense. Zack works better in the ring as a heel, and it suits him to try and get himself noticed like Curtis Axel did. Ryder can be the whipping boy of the group, and be the one who takes most of the beat-downs and is there to make guys like Axel and the re-branded Johnny Curtis look "heavy."

[Mr. Nerfect]

So here's my complete list of Paul Heyman's Guys and Girls:

Brock Lesnar - The part-timer who never fights for free. Paul Heyman's cash-cow and most sacred project.

Ryback - The "Next Big Thing" as Heyman sees it. A man he sees an a imminent contender for the WWE Title.

Curtis Axel - The "future of professional wrestling" as Paul Heyman sees it. His reliable, talented, athletic workhorse.

Johnny Newname - The former Fandango who changes his ring name and gets a little darker when he aligns with Heyman. If Ryback is chasing the WWE Title, this guy is chasing the World Heavyweight Title, and vice versa.

Summer Rae - She comes with the Fandango package. Having a sexy blonde accompany Paul Heyman Guys to the ring just seems right. She could also be a postulated contender to the Divas Championship, but there might be a better choice for that.

Tensai - He could possibly change his name back to A-Train for this reunion with Paul Heyman. He's brought in as a contender for the Tag Team Championship, but Heyman can also use his skill and experience to mentor some of the younger members under his wing.

Brodus Clay - He doubles as security for the group and as a tag team competitor. Being on the road with Axel and Tensai will allow for Clay to theoretically improve as a potential monster for Heyman.

Naomi - She turns on Cameron and joins the re-branded Tons of Funk under Heyman's care. I can just imagine Heyman talking about Naomi's unique athleticism that no other Diva can match. She'd bring the Divas Championship to Camp Heyman.

Zack Ryder - Sick of being ignored, Ryder offers his services to Heyman and finds himself easily manipulated by the evil genius. He does a lot of run-ins and takes a lot of beat-downs, before eventually developing a thing for Summer Rae, which leads to Fandango beating the shit out of Ryder. Heyman stills sees uses for Ryder, and wants Fandango to let him stay around, but Ryder turns on the group there before he eventually gets beaten on PPV by Fandango.

[Poit]

Tweet regarding the vessel thing:

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[James Steele]

1) Which word should WWE add to the audience's vocabulary next week?
Cunt.

2) Who should be Bray Wyatt's next vessel?
Heidenreich

[Innovator]

1) Hidebound

2) Bo Dallas

[Emperor Smeat]

1) onomatopoeia

2) Curt Hawkins

[Afterlife]

Heeeeeeeeeey, I was at Raw in Cleveland, and will be doing a little video about it since I missed the Cast.

[loopydate]

1) schadenfreude

2) Zeke Jackson. Cause why not

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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This episode continues the contest, in which you can win a copy of WWE's DVD release: WARGAMES. Listen for more details.

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Question Of The Week:

Which free agents out there would be best for business?

Apply this to WWE and/or TNA.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The Bray Khali

[el bobbo]

TEST LIVES!

[Nark Order]

I've got quite the collection here waiting to be won. This War Games DVD is staring me down. Might keep it for my collection and buy another to send out. I have no will.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Is your brother 20 or 5?

He's 25.

[Nark Order]

He is 15. I understand that the cuteness factor is probably out the window but it will work just the same.

[Maluco]

Think, if they are serious about tag wrestling, WGTT would be a good call. An experienced tag team that could have great matches at that level.

From a business stand point, however, I think the best answer would be a charismatic, dependable masked wrestler.

Sin Cara has not worked out because of his botches and lack of personality, but I think a guy like La Sombra or El Hijo coming in, getting built up and then going over Misterio at Mania would be great for business long term.

Like him or not, Rey moves merchandise consistently, not to mention his appeal to the Latino market. A new lucha star would be great for business.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Don't know if any roster needs any major improvements. Might be cool if Ken Kennedy could get another shot of WWE fame, but I don't know if he'll be a game-changer.

Not sure if TNA can get another major star nor should they. They needed to streamline the product to keep Dixie's parents happy. Still not sure if the company will exist when Mr. Carter dies. Heard reports that Dixie's mom was pushing for these major cuts. Maybe the cuts will please her enough to keep the company even without TNA's "Ted Turner" so to speak. If they can get anybody on the cheap maybe somebody like Jake Carter. Not really sure he showed all he could do in NXT but that might be good for TNA. He certainly couldn't be worse than Jay "I was in WWE for a Month" Bradley. Carter is the son of Vader and maybe that could get Vader involved in the production and he could be a manager for Carter and maybe feud with Hogan and some young wrestler Hogan could train.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can't really see too many guys moving the needle in WWE. There are a few I would like to see given another shot. One I can see being quite successful is Matt Morgan. Another who I sometimes think about is Kaval. Yeah, he kind of left in a huff last time, but now that little indy guys get better shots, maybe he'd be more patient? His stuff could get so over in the WWE, and he's not actually bad on the mic.

Chris Masters for either promotion. The guy was just getting good. The thing is, he had two wellness strikes against him name. But so do Randy Orton, R-Truth and Rey Mysterio. TNA would be foolish to not try and get Masters on board with their product.

Kharma/Awesome Kong is another that I think would be a huge gain for either WWE or TNA. That chick is fucking good. She's got something credible about her that just makes you want to see her kill bitches dead. TNA, in general, should focus on their Knockout Division. They got Alissa Flash to work their Knockout PPV -- sign her the fuck up. Mickie James is now a free agent, so the WWE could give her another shot. She's hot, can wrestle, can talk and a crazy bitch vs. crazy bitch feud with AJ Lee could be pretty fun.

Really want to see some of the women out there that can wrestle be given a shot in the WWE. Victoria, Beth Phoenix and Katie Lea returning would all get me hard. Saraya Knight being brought in by Stephanie McMahon to make Paige's life hard is basically a dream storyline for me. Scarlet Bordeaux is gorgeous and would a viable commodity to either promotion, but I actually think her whole slutty character would be better in TNA, who should also pick up The Blossom Twins.

TNA should also focus on tag teams. If they can sign Alex Shelley to team with Chris Sabin again, and somehow sign The Briscoes and The American Wolves, you can just throw them in tag team matches against each other and always have something solid on your show.

I've wanted to see Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas brought back as a tag team in the WWE for some time. Again, won't move the needle, but would make for some fun television.

[Mr. Nerfect]

To explain Hogan leaving TNA, I'd like it if Ted DiBiase, Jr. somehow "bought" the company from Dixie Carter and become some sort of spoiled rich-kid heel who hangs around the main event scene. I don't think that idea would draw or anything, but I think that it would freshen TNA up some.

[Ultra Mantis]

Carlito would be cool for business.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would love to see Carlito back. TNA are foolish if they do not try and get him. He could literally slip into any division they have pretty seamlessly. Carlito as X-Division Champion could be a lot of fun.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

So, this lamewad uploaded a video, but didn't bother posting it. Here it is.

Supplemental episode for the previous podcast.

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[Emperor Smeat]

If TNA could convince him somehow to unretire or join them, Jim Ross. Would be a big improvement for commentary and has a lot of experience as a talent scout/advisor.

The WWE already hinted they aren't interested in any TNA free agents but a few of the Knocksouts released could help beef up the Divas division until the ones on NXT are ready.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would love to see a commentary team of Jim Ross and Matt Striker in TNA.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Tazz must stay.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Taeler Hendrix would be a great addition to WWE NXT. Victoria could be a main roster Diva almost instantly, as could Mickie James, Katie Lea and Serena (if they would be willing to give her another shot). I would love to see the WWE give Cheerleader Melissa a chance in the WWE. She'd make a great instant rival to Paige.

[Poit]

Tazz must stay.

[Innovator]

Of course Afterlife's supplemental is 40 minutes long

[Innovator]

WWE:

The only male free agent I could see them bringing in would be Batista in a Jericho/RVD like role where he comes back 3-4 months at a time. They have enough talent coming up through NXT where they don't need to look at prior talent. I would say Morrison, but what does Morrison do that someone like Sami Zayn couldn't?


TNA:


JR. Go to the desert and dig up a nice barrel of money to give him. Hire JR to run all aspects of talent, development, and let him help run the business end. He helped with the budget for house show tours, so he would be a fantastical addition.

[Nark Order]

Loopy is going to run away with this contest if we don't get more guesses here. He's a smart man and will eventually guess it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Batista being brought back on a lucrative contract courtesy of Triple H to take the WWE Title off Daniel Bryan would be pretty marvelous.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Batista can even go into heaps sleazy Batista mode and talk about back in the day he used to spend a lot of time with the Divas, and Brie was among them. Really get into Bryan's head.

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Question Of The Week:

Which active wrestler would benefit from having a midget, as their sidekick or mascot?

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[Nowhere Man]

I can watch this all goddamn day:

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[Nark Order]

When will they remember to never put mayonnaise on Big Show's sandwiches?

[Afterlife]

Show doing his best (and thus his worst) Sid Haig face.

[Tazz Dan]

Stickied :y:

[loopydate]

Need a new commentator? Why not Zoidberg?

[loopydate]

"Every face in WWE is a heel."

And every face in TNA was a heel sometime in the last year, and 1/3 of them will be again by the end of 2013.

[loopydate]

You don't understand why people criticize Tazz's commentary...

...but you're annoyed that JBL uses the same phrases over and over.

My mental yambag region is being hurt by all the pigeons being let loose from everything that's wrong with that statement.

[loopydate]

Okay, saving the rest of this for my drive home tomorrow. I kid because I love. You guys are awesome. Definitely a highlight of my week.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

You don't understand why people criticize Tazz's commentary...

...but you're annoyed that JBL uses the same phrases over and over.

My mental yambag region is being hurt by all the pigeons being let loose from everything that's wrong with that statement.
I can stand Tazz repeating himself, because his catchphrases are hilarious, and he also rambles a lot.

I don't have much of a problem with JBL on commentary, but he tries too hard to force certain phrases, or references, into the show.

[Graveler]

How you guys vehemently hate Orton the way you do while the Miz is still employed I'll never understand

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

We've blasted the Miz plenty of times, but mainly the way he's been booked.

[Nark Order]

You don't understand why people criticize Tazz's commentary...

...but you're annoyed that JBL uses the same phrases over and over.

My mental yambag region is being hurt by all the pigeons being let loose from everything that's wrong with that statement.

Personally, I love them both. I've always been a staunch JBL supporter. People always bring up the bully stuff but as an entertainer, I think he's top notch. Now that the jiggly tits aren't a factor, he can reign supreme.

[Graveler]

We've blasted the Miz plenty of times, but mainly the way he's been booked.

I know that, but I feel the Miz deserves the hate you give Orton

[Afterlife]

"Every face in WWE is a heel."

And every face in TNA was a heel sometime in the last year, and 1/3 of them will be again by the end of 2013.

Heel/face turns are one thing. When every "good guy" is simply bullying other people, that's another thing entirely. I exaggerate, of course; lately, there are WWE faces that are fighting against being bullied, but for a long time, every WWE face was an inexplicable cock.

[Afterlife]

You don't understand why people criticize Tazz's commentary...

...but you're annoyed that JBL uses the same phrases over and over.

My mental yambag region is being hurt by all the pigeons being let loose from everything that's wrong with that statement.

Taz has catchphrases, but he also rambles on like a psychopath AND actually says things inspired by events he's witnessing.

JBL spews the same 5 or 6 lines every damn show and then says "But the villains are justifaad, Maggal!". That's it. And it's boring.

[Nowhere Man]

How you guys vehemently hate Orton the way you do while the Miz is still employed I'll never understand

Because Miz isn't a 10-time WWE Champion and constantly shoved down our throats as one of the 'icons' of the modern era of wrestling. Granted, I cringe whenever they announce there's going to be an episode of Miz TV.

[Nark Order]

Heel/face turns are one thing. When every "good guy" is simply bullying other people, that's another thing entirely. I exaggerate, of course; lately, there are WWE faces that are fighting against being bullied, but for a long time, every WWE face was an inexplicable cock.

My favorite example of this was Edge kidnapping Kane's father to the deafening cheers of thousands.

[Poit]

My favorite example of this was Edge kidnapping Kane's father to the deafening cheers of thousands.

That was just ridiculous.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Give Damien Sandow a mini-Sir William like Regals manager in WCW.

[loopydate]

3MB should get a midget roadie that sets up air amps and air mic stands before they play their air instruments.

[Heisenberg]

Heath Slater should sharpen the edge of an iPad and throw it at Jinder Mahal's neck decapitating that worthless bag of piss and dry hump the ring until Khali cums

[Poit]

That's not PG.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

They'd have to save it for the third hour of Raw.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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[Bad News Gertner]

Because Miz isn't a 10-time WWE Champion and constantly shoved down our throats as one of the 'icons' of the modern era of wrestling. Granted, I cringe whenever they announce there's going to be an episode of Miz TV.

Orton is very over and has been for ages

[Nark Order]

No. He isn't. Listen, I'm not as dead set against him as many of my fellow podcasters are, but we have to show some honesty here. He is not nearly as over as he should be for the position that he's in. Much of it is because the hit in popularity he took by middling for a couple years due to the wellness strikes, but he is not really that over. It's clear that he knows what he's doing and knows how to be a main event star, but nobody is paying to see Randy Orton right now. For an 11 time champion, he is not drawing even close to what he should be. Like not even a reasonable fraction.

[Afterlife]

Orton isn't over; Orton is merely expected.

[Bad News Gertner]

You people are ridiculous

[Poit]

Orton is over. He's more over than he deserves to be, IMO, but he's definitely over.

[Bad News Gertner]

I will agree with that 100%. Along with his wellness issues, I think that's why he went so long without being the champ until a couple months ago: he doesn't need the belt to be over. He just is.

[Nark Order]

Is everyone watching a different product than I am?

[Bad News Gertner]

You're wrong dude.

[Bad News Gertner]

I'd like to bring up a sidepoint of what you said "nobody pays to see Orton".

Does that even exist anymore in general? People paid to see Stone Cold, Hogan, Rock. In my opinion fans nowadays buy a ticket to see the WWE as a whole, not one specific guy. Which says a lot about wrestling in its current state.

[XL]

I'd agree with that Gertner.

I was thinking the same thing about the whole "Ziggler won't be a top draw" thing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I agree with Gertner in here. Randy Orton is over (as a face he was ridiculously over despite not doing much of anything) and the whole show seems to be constructed as a "team sport" more than ever.

I love the idea of Damien Sandow having a midget valet. It'd suit him perfectly and it'd be good to have a heel small guy to wrestle El Torito.

[Nark Order]

I always think of it in terms of "If this person was inexplicably fired today, what would the backlash be?" If Orton was fired for his 3rd wellness violation, it really wouldn't be all that big of a deal. Triple H would just find another corporate champion and everyone would move on. If Cena was fired, they would If have to completely restructure the entire company. If Bryan was fired today, there would be riots. That is the difference. If Punk was fired today, there would be lots of problems. Randy Orton is an 11 time champion and is relatively expendable. I don't know how much of a victory that is.

[Poit]

I'd like to bring up a sidepoint of what you said "nobody pays to see Orton".

Does that even exist anymore in general? People paid to see Stone Cold, Hogan, Rock. In my opinion fans nowadays buy a ticket to see the WWE as a whole, not one specific guy. Which says a lot about wrestling in its current state.

People pay to see Cena, Mysterio, Punk, and Bryan. Other than them, I don't think there are many wrestlers who directly draw.

Personally, I'm one of the people who pays to see the product as a whole.

[Afterlife]

Again, I'd say the allure of Orton's potential is looooong past. He is accepted as something inevitable now, so the fans go along with it. I've never met a single person who can tell me they're into Orton for anything other than his orange, ink-stained body.

[#1-norm-fan]

When Noid and I actually agree on something wrestling related, it's very likely a fact.

[FourFifty]

Just listened to the podcast for the first time the other day. You took a terrible match (Santino vs Slater) and made it the funniest fucking thing ever with how it was analyzed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I always think of it in terms of "If this person was inexplicably fired today, what would the backlash be?" If Orton was fired for his 3rd wellness violation, it really wouldn't be all that big of a deal. Triple H would just find another corporate champion and everyone would move on. If Cena was fired, they would If have to completely restructure the entire company. If Bryan was fired today, there would be riots. That is the difference. If Punk was fired today, there would be lots of problems. Randy Orton is an 11 time champion and is relatively expendable. I don't know how much of a victory that is.

I completely disagree with this assessment. If Randy Orton got his third wellness strike and went to TNA, I think he's one of the few people who would actually move the meter for them. He'd come in, RKO Kurt Angle immediately and become the next TNA World Heavyweight Champion. And it would be #BestforBusiness.

I truthfully skip most of Randy Orton's work when it's not with another of my favorites. I find his character to often be a bit of a snore. On a personal level, I wouldn't really care if he decided to retire. More power to the guy. I don't think his ability and his value can be denied, though. That being said, I do get the autopilot argument, and I do think that there are times where Orton just seems "there." But while he was just "there" as a face, he was so fucking over it wasn't funny. They wouldn't have been able to turn him heel against Sheamus earlier in the year because people wouldn't have cheered Sheamus over Orton.

[Mr. Nerfect]

When Noid and I actually agree on something wrestling related, it's very likely a fact.

:y:

The only other guys that I think would move the meter in TNA would be John Cena (in the biggest way possible), Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Big Show, Rey Mysterio and maybe Dolph Ziggler and Alberto Del Rio. And The Undertaker and Kane, although they would have to use different gimmicks and it has zero percent chance of happening. Say what you want about Ziggler, but there is no doubt he's one of the best workers the WWE has and there's enough of a following behind the guy that I think he could capture some interest for a few shows, although I feel it would peter.

Del Rio is in a similar position to Orton where his character often just seems "there," but his ability cannot be denied and he is a big deal. He's essentially spent the entirety of 2013 as World Heavyweight Champion. He may not keep interest once people get used to seeing him there, but I think people would turn over if they knew that Del Rio was going to be on TNA.

[Afterlife]

I completely disagree with this assessment. If Randy Orton got his third wellness strike and went to TNA, I think he's one of the few people who would actually move the meter for them. He'd come in, RKO Kurt Angle immediately and become the next TNA World Heavyweight Champion. And it would be #BestforBusiness.

A guy who cannot wrestle, nor can he even assemble a completely logical hardcore match/street fight/whatever, would be best as champion in a company FULL of people who put on matches jammed with incredible wrestling action? You've lost me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Come on, Afterlife -- Orton isn't that bad. The idea that he can't put together a match is pretty ridiculous.

[Bad News Gertner]

A guy who cannot wrestle, nor can he even assemble a completely logical hardcore match/street fight/whatever, would be best as champion in a company FULL of people who put on matches jammed with incredible wrestling action? You've lost me.

You are sooooo friggen wrong on this

[Nark Order]

I dunno. Orton is an 11 time champion and just seems like some guy. Doesn't seem to command the respect of somebody with such a resume.

And Noid. If Orton went to TNA absolutely nothing would happen. I'm positive of this. I think we've learned over the years that any one big acquisition isn't going to send TNA into the stratosphere. If Sting, Angle, or Hogan couldn't do it, Orton is certainly not going to.

[Bad News Gertner]

To you he seems like some guy, and it's been proven that not only am I never wrong, but also the PULSE of TPWW.

[Nark Order]

You are simply a contrarian, nothing more and nothing less.

[Bad News Gertner]

No, I'm just always correct. You just thumb your nose at me because it bothers you that I'm the only SHOOTER in TPWW!

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm not even an Orton fan

[Nowhere Man]

Also, how is it that we put out a good 3 hours of content every episode for you guys, and all anyone ever talks about in the thread is the fact that we don't like Randy?

[Afterlife]

Come on, Afterlife -- Orton isn't that bad. The idea that he can't put together a match is pretty ridiculous.

He puts one together every year or two and sticks with it for about as long. And they're never impressive, unless they're anything goes, and even then, a portion of it will defy logic.

You are sooooo friggen wrong on this

Based on nothing, of course.

[Bad News Gertner]

Based on crowd reactions. I win.

[Poit]

I've already suggested that Randy Orton gets crowd reactions that are much better than he deserves.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Doesn't really matter in the end. If people are cheering and paying to see him then it doesn't matter if he's had the same match every time he wrestles since 2005. (Which he has)

[XL]

Heh. Cookie-cutter matches worked for Hogan, Cena, etc. And to a lesser extent Austin and Rock.

[slik]

Orton would not 'elevate' TNA to the next level.

Hogan didn't.

Angle didn't.

Hardy didn't.

Paul Heyman could have, they said 'no'.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Angle elevated TNA a bit. There just isn't a next level for a small company like that. The company is what it is. Watch it before Bob Carter dies and its funding goes away and it's cancelled.

[slik]

Nah, they'd sell it first.

[slik]

It would be so weird if Dixie Carter took TNA on Shark Tank and sold part of it to Mark Cuban.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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This episode once again continues the contest, in which you can win a copy of WWE's DVD release: WARGAMES. Listen for more details.

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Question Of The Week:

With RVD gone, who should be the next Ricardo Rodriguez guy?

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Los Matadores.

[Tazz Dan]

Hunico.

[Bad News Gertner]

Pair him with Santino

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd like to see Ricardo continue his conquest against Alberto Del Rio. He could sign on and become John Cena's personal ring announcer for his title matches against Del Rio. Down the track I'd like to see him turn heel and align with Damien Sandow.

[Innovator]

I think them stacking Hell in A Cell is a panic move. Mainly, they sharted the bed with the finishes to the last two PPVs. Overturning a decision then following it up with a non-decision makes it very hard for people to throw down $54.95 in three weeks for another PPV. Trying to guarantee a finish, adding HBK, adding John Cena back, all screams panic.

[Innovator]

As for the question, it should be Rey Mysterio. Ricardo can still do the spanish introduction gimmick, Del Rio can have an opponent who can work and it always over with the crowd, and the feud can pick up and continue to NEVER end.

[DaveBrawl]

The obvious answer is Sin Cara.

[Innovator]

Sin Cara is too busy with Los Matadores

[DaveBrawl]

How dare you!

[loopydate]

I totally answered last week's question.

3MB should get a midget roadie that sets up air amps and air mic stands before they play their air instruments.

[Nark Order]

Remember to 5 star rate us on iTunes, cuties.

[Innovator]

I'd rate you 5 stars, but Afterlife would then complain that you aren't that special

[Nark Order]

We're eventually going to replace him with a screaming goat anyhow.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I totally answered last week's question.
Nuts. I'm afraid it was lost in the discussion of Heath Slater using the air guitar as a weapon.

[loopydate]

Well, that wasn't particularly Chrrrrrrristeeyan of you.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sami Zayn as El Locale.

First feud would be against the Real Americans with Zeb trying to figure out why he looks very familiar as a slight nod to their NXT stuff.

[Mr. Nerfect]

loopydate's idea of 3MB getting a midget roadie is pretty fucking awesome.

I'm actually all for a Juniors Division as long as it is booked right and not treated like a massive joke. It may not draw, per se, but it could make for some entertaining television and great for shows like Main Event and Superstars.

You've already got Hornswoggle and El Torito on the roster as babyfaces. Have JBL come through on his promise and bring in his own sponsored midget animal to do battle with El Torito. Damien Sandow could have Ignatius come into the WWE and reveal himself to be a midget worker. That's two heel competitors to go against them. Then there's the 3MB roadie and possibly the return of Mini-Dust. Think of the ratings.

[Afterlife]

Hunico.

Totally forgot that guy existed.

[The Rogerer]

Little E Langston

[Mr. Nerfect]

Little E. Langston is a must add to the little people's division.

[Juan]

Tin Ey Langston

[Poit]

Has there ever been a Little Show? I feel like this has to have already happened.

[Afterlife]

O.k., the point is Ricardo, not midgets. Midgets was last week.

[The Rogerer]

I don't know what I'm doing

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Has there ever been a Little Show? I feel like this has to have already happened.

Think Kurt Angle did something with one. I might be mistaken though, there was a midget era during the brand split where almost every main event face was portrayed in a promo via the art of the midget.

[Bad News Gertner]

Spike Dudley

[Bad News Gertner]

There should be midgets in the WWE. It'd be a potential job opportunity for Dronepool.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Think TNA already have him signed up for a midget Sting promo.

[loopydate]

Ricardo Rodriguez should take one of the ring announcers under his wing. He could introduce Justin Roberts before Roberts introduces somebody else.

"Ladies and gentlemen, my personal ring announcer, Ricardo Rrrrodrrrriguez!"
"Damas y caballeros, el primer ring announcer de WWE, Justiiiiin Rrrrrrrrroberts!"
"The following contest is scheduled for one fall!"

It would get even weirder if Ricardo himself had a match, Justin introduces him, he introduces Justin, then Justin introduces him.

[Poit]

It would get even weirder if Ricardo himself had a match, Justin introduces him, he introduces Justin, then Justin introduces him.

While Justin Roberts introduces him, he puts on the El Local gear.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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Question Of The Week:

If Cesaro turns face, who should replace him in The Real Americans?

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[Bad News Gertner]

I think a midget should be paired with the Prime Time Players. Like a mini ganggsta.

[XL]

WWE should sign Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrobert Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooode to pair with Ricardo.

As for this week's question; Muhammed Hassan should come back to replace Cesaro.

[Innovator]

If they keep wanting to go with the "foreigner who carries himself like a Real American" gimmick, call up Alexander Rusev and have him beast everyone for a while.

[Bad News Gertner]

It'd be a comedy turn to the team, but could you imagine Zeb Coulter and Swagger playing the "Real American" seriously with Santino trying to be a pro-american bad ass. It'd be hilarious.

[owenbrown]

Every time Jabba recaps TNA xplosion in one minute he reminds me of this guy

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[Heisenberg]

Jim Duggan should replace Cesaro. Fuckin HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Afterlife]

Let's not get silly.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Jim Duggan should replace Cesaro. Fuckin HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A midget Jim Duggan. With a 0.5 x 1.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jim Duggan with Swagger would be incredible. Have Duggan and Santino with Swagger and Coutler. Duggan and Santino can act like well...Duggan and Santino and have Coulter and Swagger playing the straight laced duo taking it seriously. Or hell, cut out Santino. Still would be hilarious.

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Starring: Jabba, Narcissus, Afterlife, & Poit... PLUS special guests: Heisenberg & Gateman.

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Question Of The Week:

What will be the date of TNA's death? Put your reputation on the line, folks.

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[Bad News Gertner]

As the Pulse of TPWW I will say it won't. It'll just linger on.

[James Steele]

Total Nonstop Action Wrestling LLC. will cease operations and no longer exist as an active professional wrestling/sports entertainment entity on October 27, 2019. I do believe that Vince McMahon will buy it for roughly $1,056,944.16 and use it to sell a career retrospective DVD on Jeff Jarrett that will make roughly $3.28 Billion in sales.

[Innovator]

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[Heisenberg]

if TNA loses any more core guys like Styles, Joe, Roode etc. then it will be 2015 July 26.

This doesn't mean everyone will be saved from terrible storylines as Vince will inject either some Main Event Mafia or Aces and 8s into the WWE, his creation

[Innovator]

I want to give Afterlife a flying knee to the face the next time he complains about being sick so he slept all day.

[Emperor Smeat]

Baring some huge drastic changes or financial turnaround, December 25, 2014 after Dixie Carter teases one last big surprise announcement.

Can't really see Spike TV stay that committed to TNA for the rest of their tv deal (ends in 2018) but more likely Panda Energy or a new owner pulls the plug well before then. Also doubt TNA will shrink or downgrade enough to follow a ROH-like route to stay alive and instead crashes more like ECW did because of financial problems.

[loopydate]

August 23, 2017

I think they'll get one more surge in a year or two when new ownership manages to get a high-profile free agent, but continued mismanagement will eventually lead to them scrapping the project before the end of the fiscal year.

[Nowhere Man]

Jabba comes close to doing me justice.

[Afterlife]

I want to give Afterlife a flying knee to the face the next time he complains about being sick so he slept all day.

Jealous.

[The Rogerer]

March 2015. A year of struggling on and then 6 months of decline.

[Mr. Nerfect]

18 May, 2016.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would love to see Jim Duggan return as a heel who tells the crowds that they can't raise their kids properly and they're all soft. Men used to be heroes, but now you worship metrosexual idols in the magazines.

How about Yoshi Tatsu as a Real American? Zeb Colter can change his name to something like Cliff McQueen.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jim Duggan could be the story of a great American icon who has succumbed to bitterness and confusion in old age. Could be an incredibly heart-wrenching story.

[Graveler]

Thanks TPWW Podcast for the prize. Oh and March 26, 2016

[Heisenberg]

I'm not a regular, but thanks for listening Graveler

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

When Bob Carter dies.

[Poit]

Thanks TPWW Podcast for the prize. Oh and March 26, 2016

I'm gonna be honest... I was sorta hoping you would hold one DVD in each hand, with a Graveler photoshopper over you.

Also, congrats!

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Jabba comes close to doing me justice.
It's hard to replicate that much unbridled rage.

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Question Of The Week:

Which member of the Shield is most likely to disappear into obscurity, when they eventually disband?

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Our contest winner:

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[James Steele]

Since when do I sound like The Penguin from the 1960s Batman show?

[James Steele]

Also, better to have Triple H's cock in my mouth than drown in the musty fluids from drip from Dixie Carter's furry muff.

[Afterlife]

How do you know that?

[loopydate]

I've learned two things this week so far (still got a fair amount of show left):

1) TNA's heel women's champion of Asian descent with a Pacific Islander bodyguard to protect her from the rest of the division she's pissed off is utterly different from WWE's heel women's champion of Asian descent with a Pacific Islander bodyguard to protect her from the rest of the division she's pissed off.

2) Poit's voice makes my rabbit flip the fuck out.

[Innovator]

The Poit drinking game:

1) Drink when he sighs.


2) Drink when he says OH COME ON

[Poit]

The Poit drinking game:

1) Drink when he sighs.


2) Drink when he says OH COME ON

Pretty sure you'd be dead by the end of the podcast.

[Poit]

2) Poit's voice makes my rabbit flip the fuck out.

I'm sorry, but I really want to see a video of this. :lol:

[Nark Order]

I've learned two things this week so far (still got a fair amount of show left):

1) TNA's heel women's champion of Asian descent with a Pacific Islander bodyguard to protect her from the rest of the division she's pissed off is utterly different from WWE's heel women's champion of Asian descent with a Pacific Islander bodyguard to protect her from the rest of the division she's pissed off.

2) Poit's voice makes my rabbit flip the fuck out.

Well, it isn't really all that different. My argument is that the bodyguard angle is used like twice a year in like every promotion. It isn't anything new in prowrestling, so the "copying" thing doesn't really register with me.

[Poit]

But my point was that if you reduce the comparison down to just "they both have bodyguards", then of course claims of copying would be ridiculous. But there are many more similarities than just that.

[Nark Order]

I just can't imagine them having a conversation about it and actually going out of their way to copy a storyline like that. What would the benefit be? And I mean, this is a low card women's storyline. Is anybody on either side going to make money off of this?

I see the similarities but "copying" gets a Poit-esque "Oh, come on" from Narcissus.

[Poit]

I'm not saying that TNA copied WWE here.

I was just pointing out that it's ridiculous to say the only similarity is that they're both bodyguard angles.

[Heisenberg]

Sorry if you guys contacted me, but good for me, I get a podcast to listen to. Steve Perry and death metal go only so farrrr

[loopydate]

I'm sorry, but I really want to see a video of this. :lol:

I'll see if I can catch him doing it during the next one and post it in the thread. He was fine during the intro stuff, but once you started on the NXT report, his started just running laps around his cage, knocking shit over and just kind of causing a racket. He calmed down, but as soon as your voice took over, he was crazy pants.

[loopydate]

I'm not saying that TNA copied WWE here.

I was just pointing out that it's ridiculous to say the only similarity is that they're both bodyguard angles.

Also, this.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tamina is the female Diesel. Love Tamina.

[XL]

You'd have thought that the similarities would have put TNA off running the angle.

Also, why doesn't the Gong Master have a gong?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Poit drinking game:

1) Drink when he sighs.


2) Drink when he says OH COME ON

3) Says an NXT match was "pretty good."

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Well, it isn't really all that different. My argument is that the bodyguard angle is used like twice a year in like every promotion. It isn't anything new in prowrestling, so the "copying" thing doesn't really register with me.

Come the fuck on. They got the same type of woman for fucks sake right after AJ got Tamina.

You are ignoring the facts of the issue by talking about it generally as a "bodyguard" gimmick.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Perhaps TNA are doing it intentionally, to pay back WWE for the time they had somebody named AJ captured on a security camera, entering a hotel room with someone they shouldn't have, two weeks after TNA did the same thing.

[Afterlife]

Come the fuck on. They got the same type of woman for fucks sake right after AJ got Tamina.

You are ignoring the facts of the issue by talking about it generally as a "bodyguard" gimmick.

They've had Tapa for quite a while; they didn't just hire her because they saw WWE remembered they had Tamina.

I would very much like to point out that these bodyguard angles are of separate premise, as well, if we're going to talk "facts beyond the basics of wrestling angles".

[Afterlife]

Perhaps TNA are doing it intentionally, to pay back WWE for the time they had somebody named AJ captured on a security camera, entering a hotel room with someone they shouldn't have, two weeks after TNA did the same thing.

That's different.

[Poit]

It was quite the coincidence when Mike Tenay used the word "cadence" a few times (and I can't recall him using it before then or since) just a week or two after Triple H used it twenty times on Raw.

[Heisenberg]

I really want to defend TNA, but I can't after viewing the latest episode. Dixie, with her good looks and all, just can't promo to save her soul. The authority figure has been done, it's like watching the same show with fragmented time periods, jagged characters.

Part of me feels bad for the rumors going around of the sale, EC3 sounds good on paper and the kid is trying to get over on what little is given to him. It would be mad awkward if they kept him around with the gimmick if the Carters choose to sell.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I've found Dixie's recent promos to be a lot smoother than anything Vickie Guerrero has ever done.

[Heisenberg]

I am a Dixie supporter, but she didn't let the audience guide her at all. She seems focused to stay on scripted time, she didn't connect with the audience and bask in the heel heat.

Hopefully she can realize her strengths and just be present for looks

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I've found Dixie's recent promos to be a lot smoother than anything Vickie Guerrero has ever done.

Her being annoying is part of the shtick.

At the PPV Dixie just stood constipated and did nothing as AJ won the match.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They've had Tapa for quite a while; they didn't just hire her because they saw WWE remembered they had Tamina.

I would very much like to point out that these bodyguard angles are of separate premise, as well, if we're going to talk "facts beyond the basics of wrestling angles".

What car did Al Bundy drive in Married With Children.

A Dodge.

[loopydate]

To answer the actual question, I think it'll be Rollins. Ambrose has the personality to stick around as a mid-to-upper card heel until he retires, and Reigns will always fit in as muscle for someone. I think Rollins is doomed to be Justin Gabriel after the Shield.

[Bad News Gertner]

I agree, Rollins is most likely, and I'm not nearly as high on Ambrose as others. Reigns has a great look. HATE using a spear as a finisher though. He was using the Mark of Excellence than Mark Jindrak used to do while Reigns was in NXT. Gotta improve though mic skills though. It's almost like you wish you could take Rollins"s speed, Ambrose"s personality and Reigns"s size and mold them into one wrestler.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Her being annoying is part of the shtick.

This has nothing to do with my point. Vickie does a great job being annoying and getting heat, at a level Dixie should be aspiring to reach.

I was saying that Dixie's recent promos have been smoother, not better. Vickie always sounds like she's barely memorised her lines, and she awkwardly pauses in the wrong places, like Teddy Long.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Gail Kim is too fucking good to need a bodyguard. If they wanted to do something with Tapa, Chris Sabin should have hired her to be Velvet's unwanted protector. Or they can keep her down in OVW until she becomes better.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, as much as I love him, Seth Rollins seems like the least sticky of the Shield guys. Ambrose has got enough of a blend between personality and skill. Reigns is the sort of prototypical WWE Superstar the company likes. Rollins is a great worker, seller and a decent promo, but he's the sort of guy who -- if he gets a few wellness suspensions against his name or has a few backstage incidents -- could suddenly be losing constantly on Superstars and Main Event.

I doubt that will happen, but I just can't see Ambrose failing or Reigns being allowed to.

[Afterlife]

What car did Al Bundy drive in Married With Children.

A Dodge.

What?

[Emperor Smeat]

Agree with others about Rollins seems to be the one who's very likely to fade once the Shield disbands. Not because he's an obvious weak link but because he seems to be one of those types where his real star potential won't start to show up until years later like a Ziggler and others who had slow builds.

Ambrose and Reigns already have their star potential showing with Ambrose being pretty well rounded as a wrestler and Reigns fitting the big man mold that Vince and the WWE love.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Roman Reigns seems to be teasing some sort of dissatisfaction with The Shield at the moment -- his look to Ambrose during their backstage promo on SmackDown and then being pulled away from a fight by Dean Ambrose & Seth Rollins. Could we be heading towards a Triple Threat for the US Title between the three in the near future?

[James Steele]

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[Maluco]

Think it could be Ambrose...it was rumored he rubbed a few people up the wrong way as he is a little strange,a little off the wall and people didn't know how to take him in the beginning.

WWE likes team players who give little trouble (Punk aside), and I think he could easily make mistakes running solo and find himself lost in the shuffle. After all, his look isn't enough to win second chances. Hope it's not true, but I think he could be the most likely candidate.

Rollins could be like a daredevil Jeff Hardy-like character, except more stable and better in the ring, and Reigns could be the Batista-like explosive power man, wish would see them both safe.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What?

You dodged the question and talked about something irrelevant. Them having the girl signed doesn't mean they planned on teaming her with the champion as her bodyguard.

It's a ripoff. Plain and simple.

[Innovator]

It looks like the Shield break up seed is already planted with the way Reigns looked at Ambrose on RAW and Smackdown. If they feud, I can see Rollins getting lost in the shuffle.

[Afterlife]

You dodged the question and talked about something irrelevant. Them having the girl signed doesn't mean they planned on teaming her with the champion as her bodyguard.

It's a ripoff. Plain and simple.

:| What? I wasn't responding to a question at all. In your statement -- again, not a question -- you insinuated that they hired her because they wanted a Tamina equivalent. I simply pointed out that that's very unlikely to be the case.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I made no insinuation of her being a recent hire. They "got" means they just put her on tv in the same angle as Tamina.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

The relationships are actually different, if you paid attention to how they began.

I accept the obvious similarities between the two "angles", but I very much doubt anybody in TNA watched Tamina acting as AJ's bodyguard and said "Hey, we have a large Pacific Islander woman ready to go, and we have a heel woman of Asian descent we could put the belt on... are you thinking what I'm thinking?"

[Heisenberg]

Seth Rollins, good workrate and all, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't do much for me outside of the ring.

Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose are set up for great things, Roman has that Samoan type Rock shit going and Dean Ambrose reminds me of HBK in the early 90s with the IC title and such.

I wish Seth Rollins well and that he stops with the CM Punk lookalike stuff, but only time will tell.

[Afterlife]

I made no insinuation of her being a recent hire. They "got" means they just put her on tv in the same angle as Tamina.

What are pants for?

Covering your ass.

[/SlickyTrickyDamon]

[Poit]

1) TNA's heel women's champion of Asian descent with a Pacific Islander bodyguard to protect her from the rest of the division she's pissed off is utterly different from WWE's heel women's champion of Asian descent with a Pacific Islander bodyguard to protect her from the rest of the division she's pissed off.

AJ Lee is Puerto Rican, not Asian.

[loopydate]

No way, she's--

[Checks Wikipedia]

Well, I'll be damned.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

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[Poit]

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[FourFifty]

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[Heisenberg]

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[Destor]

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[Poit]

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[Bad News Gertner]

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