Ermaximus, Cool King, Xero, and Tazz Dan Present: Raw Thread for 07/23/12 Billy and Dolph vs. The World.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

We haven't seen Big Show tonight, he's probably just gonna interfere isn't he?

[#1-norm-fan]

Sheen cuttin a nice promo here

Also, this.

[Droford]

cena wins or..something

[CSL]

still feeling "something big"/unexpected for this match

[Rollermacka]

In & Out milkshake!

Animal style 4X4 (no lettuce), animal style fries and a pink lemonade. Sucks that I cant eat like that anymore :(

[#1-norm-fan]

HYPED FOR THIS.

New champ or MITB fail coming...

[Damndirty]

I thought I was gonna be kinda disappointed, but Taker made everything alright for me fosho! Now if Stone Cold shows up, then 1000th episode will be perfect!

[Immortal Moose]

still feeling "something big"/unexpected for this match

There's got to be something.

[#1-norm-fan]

Hmm... wondering if Cena isn't gonna get the chance to cash in...

[#1-norm-fan]

No Big Show tonight is kinda strange too...

Especially since for some reason he was the 3rd poll option for Rock's RR opponent.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think the big summer angle might actually be Charlie Sheen wrestling...dear god no.</font>

[Droford]

should do an angle where he cashes in and wins and then they realuze somne stoe the contract out if the case and whoever stole it cashes in and wins

[Cool King]

Wait, Chioda isn't officiating Raw 1000th's main event?

[loopydate]

still feeling "something big"/unexpected for this match

Remember what happened the last time these two main-evented Raw?

[CSL]

To be fair, they just took tombstones. From Undertaker and Kane, no less. Conventional wisdom says they lay there 100% dead.

absolutely but the awkward Taker and Kane pause followed by a very audible "get out" says otherwise http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[FourFifty]

The people voted Rock/Punk? I now feel it's not fixed....

[Corndad]

Another commercial?? Jesus.

[RawRocks]

a fucking commercial with 4 minutes til the hour?

[Cool King]

No Big Show tonight is kinda strange too...

Especially since for some reason he was the 3rd poll option for Rock's RR opponent.

Big Show interferes and eats a Stone Cold Stunner?

[FourFifty]

I think the big summer angle might actually be Charlie Sheen wrestling...dear god no.

Stripper on a pole match

[Droford]

No Big Show tonight is kinda strange too...

Especially since for some reason he was the 3rd poll option for Rock's RR opponent.
wasnt he supposed to bake a cake? maybe he ate it and got sick

[Tom Guycott]

Here's a thought: there was a chance some of that 10% of #rockshow wasn't even aware they were voting in an internet wrestling poll.

[#1-norm-fan]

There's got to be something.

There's no way they can go clean finish. Especially since now this match is gonna get 10 minutes max.

[BigCrippyZ]

Remember when JR would say during an important RAW main event, "Ladies and gentleman, we've taken all our commercial breaks," when there were still 15-20 mins left before the top of the hour?!

[Tazz Dan]

Here's a thought: there was a chance some of that 10% of #rockshow wasn't even aware they were voting in an internet wrestling poll.

@TheFraze: Hey guys, just listened to my favourite Blink 182 Song #rockshow

[Gone Mad]

I voted for #rockbryan

:x

[Crimson]

Alright so main event won't even be 10 minutes it seems..defeniatley something has to happen

[Tom Guycott]

absolutely but the awkward Taker and Kane pause followed by a very audible "get out" says otherwise http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'm just saying, training wise, they did what comes naturally. The correct spot was counter intuitive. Wasn't saying it wasn't a clear botch. Just an understandable one. ;)

[Droford]

Remember when JR would say during an important RAW main event, "Ladies and gentleman, we've taken all our commercial breaks," when there were still 15-20 mins left before the top of the hour?!
i remember wcw giing..we're out of time..noo!

[Rollermacka]

Damm it Sheen, now I'm thinking about all the junk food I use to eat when I was stationed in California. In N Out, Dell Taco (Triple Dell, green sauce bean burritos, chilli cheese fries) and the Agua Caliente Casino Prime Rib Buffett.

[Tazz Dan]

New tights for Punk

[Immortal Moose]

There's no way they can go clean finish. Especially since now this match is gonna get 10 minutes max.

Exactly.

[Damndirty]

Considering how many ratings this particular episode may receive, I think USA's okay letting it go over a lil longer, they have before several times.

[ClockShot]

And the bell hasn't rang yet. So either....

A. This is gonna be short and something big is going down.

2. USA is giving Raw some extra overrun for a legit match.

[#1-norm-fan]

Here's a thought: there was a chance some of that 10% of #rockshow wasn't even aware they were voting in an internet wrestling poll.

lol

"Saw Molly Hatchet back in '82. That was MY favorite #rockshow" - Some old dude who doesn't watch wrestling.

[Tazz Dan]

Cena listening intently to Punks instructions

[Cool King]

Someone should edit the WWE Championship's Wikipedia page, just to mess with Cole.

[Savio]

Big Show will probably interfere leading to a triple threat.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Hopefully it's something a little more interesting than Show getting Cena DQ'ed and calling it a day.</font>

[Droford]

tune in to robin hood!

[ClockShot]

They're obviously killing time.

[Corndad]

I remember the one time they kept a match going and kept showing it during commercials during the next show. Can't remember what match it was but definitely remember that happening.

[Droford]

they shoukd go for an hour..frst ever 4 hour raw

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Would be kind of hilarious if Cena just caught him in an AA and pinned him and that's the end of the show.

[SammyG]

I want Austin to fuck Punk over

[#1-norm-fan]

<font color=goldenrod>Hopefully it's something a little more interesting than Show getting Cena DQ'ed and calling it a day.</font>

That's about where I'm keeping my expectations right now.

[RawRocks]

Could Cena turn heel at the end of this? I doubt it. But that would be epic.

[ClockShot]

I remember the one time they kept a match going and kept showing it during commercials during the next show. Can't remember what match it was but definitely remember that happening.


WCW Monday Nitro.

Big Show (The Giant then) vs. Hogan for the belt.

Right?

[Droford]

I remember the one time they kept a match going and kept showing it during commercials during the next show. Can't remember what match it was but definitely remember that happening.
higan giant and robin hood was the show

[#1-norm-fan]

Oddly slow pace for as much time as they have left.

[Damndirty]

Did Jerry make a snotty Cena comment?

[Rollermacka]

they shoukd go for an hour..frst ever 4 hour raw

Fuck it, stop messing around. Next week, the first ever 24 HOUR RAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CSL]

let's get Dolph out, a match with a case within a match with a case, Inception style

[ClockShot]

they shoukd go for an hour..frst ever 4 hour raw


Shhhhhhhh. Don't give creative ideas. They're reading this, you know?

[Crimson]

Would be kind of hilarious if Cena just caught him in an AA and pinned him and that's the end of the show.

lol or a small package

[Tazz Dan]

Totally shitting on RVD

[Droford]

no ryback..mssed an opportunity there
could have hadbhim squash gilberg (still aluve?)

[Cool King]

lol, King. Your memory sucks.

[#1-norm-fan]

King with a "fuck you, you didn't exist" to RVD.

[loopydate]

"Pretty sure that has never happened."

Except for the two times it happened before.

Well, one and a half, since Bryan wound up cashing in early.

[ClockShot]

Punk doesn't stick the landing.

[Tom Guycott]

New tights for Punk

Methinks he's going for all the color schemes of Chicago sports teams. This looks like the Sox. Last raw were Da Bears. Think he has some that matches up with the Blackhawks/Bulls as well as the Cubs, but those would seem like regular attire if you aren't paying attention.

[Droford]

punk gettin the heel turn

[Tazz Dan]

REF BUMP

[Damndirty]

NO REF NO REF NO REF!!!

[Immortal Moose]

And here it goes.

[ClockShot]

There goes the ref.

Come on down..................

[DaVe]

classic ref bump, needed on raw1000

[Cool King]

Ah, so that's why Chioda isn't the ref.

[#1-norm-fan]

FUCK REF BUMMMMP!!!!!

[Tazz Dan]

AUSTIN?!?

[Crimson]

Refs out!.damnuit NOT BIG SHOW

[#1-norm-fan]

Whats gonna happen?!!?!?

[Road Warrior]

cue glass shatter

[Rollermacka]

no ryback..mssed an opportunity there
could have hadbhim squash gilberg (still aluve?)

He has to be, if he did die WWE would have had the biggest memorial service of all time for their biggest star

[Damndirty]

Did Cena just waste his cash in!!!!???

[ClockShot]

PIN 'EM!

[#1-norm-fan]

OH GOD, PUNKS GONNA MAKE THE SAVEAND LOSE

[Droford]

Punk wants to in..but notbthis way damnit..match at summerslam?

[#1-norm-fan]

FUCK Punk's gonna lose

[Heisenberg]

Lol TNA chant??

[Rollermacka]

:lol: the one random fan trying to start a TNA chant

[ClockShot]

Cena kicks out, watch.

[#1-norm-fan]

GODDAMMIT, Cena wins

[Corndad]

Oh shit Cena better not win this.

[Crimson]

Nice spot there with Punk not wanting to pin

[ClockShot]

Shit.

Punk's gonna lose.

[#1-norm-fan]

FUCK IT ALL

[Cool King]

Well, I was half right about Big Show, I guess.

[Savio]

Atleast he didnt tap

[Tazz Dan]

BULLSHIT

[Crimson]

BIG SHOW RUINED RAW

[CSL]

now we might get Austin

[ClockShot]

Saved by Big Show.

[Damndirty]

I luv u Big Show!

[#1-norm-fan]

LOL. WOW

[Immortal Moose]

I don't believe there's been a DQ in a MitB cash in before......?

[Crimson]

ROCK SAVED RAW

[CSL]

or Rock

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't know how I feel about what just happened.

[ClockShot]

Rock's out for an encore.

[Droford]

hence #rckshow

[Poit]

My boyfriend just IMed me "Yep, cena sucks". :lol:

[Immortal Moose]

ROCK!

[Savio]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Emperor Smeat]

LOL Punk

[Heisenberg]

The Rock vs Punk!!!!!

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Oooooooh Punk heel turn

[Corndad]

Fuck Yea Punk!!!

[Crimson]

PUNK HEEL TURN

[#1-norm-fan]

Punk just walking out. Strange.

[Tazz Dan]

PUNK HEEL TURN

[Road Warrior]

YES!!!!

[CSL]

there we goooooo

[Droford]

back the ses!

[Feed me!]

Yes!

[#1-norm-fan]

WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Gone Mad]

IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME!!!!

[Damndirty]

Punk goin heel?

[ClockShot]

Now I'm wondering if that poll actually had an effect on this.

[Corndad]

I'm so happy right now.

[SammyG]

lol Punk heel turn, LOVE it.

[Cool King]

WHOA!

[Immortal Moose]

FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Corndad]

I would say might not be a Heel Turn just doesn't like the Rock lol

[Rollermacka]

:-\ at the finish. So a Cena/ Rock alliance, a Punk turn (but you know 90% of the fans will still be behind him), and The Big Show.... is just kinda there

[Damndirty]

Maybe it's just a boo for 2nite and people will pat him on the back next week and say it's okay?

[Damndirty]

until Lawler said that

[Heisenberg]

PunkShow

[Corporate CockSnogger]

When was the last time the champ turned during their reign?

[Road Warrior]

No Austin ???

[Immortal Moose]

Fantastic RAW.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>That was kinda awkward.</font>

[Tazz Dan]

No Austin? The fuck?????????????????????????

[Crimson]

So is this a full heel turn or just a thing against the Rock?

Wonder why we got no Austin..but good RAW nonetheless

[ClockShot]

A heel CM Punk is just as good as a face CM Punk.

Good night, kids. Great show.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>That being said, it makes sense to turn one of them - and it was never gonna be Cena.</font>

[DirtyD]

PUNK is awesome

[Droford]

well now money in the bank is worthless..

champ justnpays someone off to cause a dq should he ever get cashed in on..you know thsts wherebits going..punk hired show to help him win..

[Crimson]

Just for the hell of it they shoulda just had Austin give Punk a stunner

[Shisen Kopf]

No Bushwhackers, no Ryback, and no austin? Worst 1000th raw ever!

[Heisenberg]

Return of the Heel CM Punk, what more can we ask for?!?!?!

[Tom Guycott]

Oddly enough, it seems like Punk just got boo'd because he DIDN'T turn around and attack The Rock some more.

You can't automatically make anyone against Rocky the heel promo-wise, but then turn around and make the face thing to do be kicking more Flex Kivana ass.

Make up your mind, WWE Universe!

[loopydate]

When was the last time the champ turned during their reign?

Daniel Bryan

[Juan]

well now money in the bank is worthless..

lol

[Blakeamus]

Enter Summer of Punk pt. 2...

[CSL]

When was the last time the champ turned during their reign?

wanna say Punk as WHC

[LoDownM]

Managed to stay up for an entire Raw, it's a miracle aka Raw was actually not boring for an hour and a half.

[CSL]

wanna say I'm wrong because I just saw loopydate's post

[Cool King]

An absolutely fantastic Raw tonight and a great way to celebrate it's 1000th episode. I loved the Heel turn from CM Punk. I really didn't see it coming.

I only have two problems with Raw tonight though....

1. AJ being made Raw GM.

2. No Austin.

Everything else. Fantastic.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Oh yeah, completely forgot about Bryan.

[Sepholio]

No Bats or Austin (especially Austin) is kind of mind boggling. Towards the end when Slater came out I was figuring he was gonna get a stunner.

Also, AJ as GM is kinda :wtf: for me.

Otherwise, great RAW. Lots of fan service tonight. Lot of mark out moments for me.

And for the record, LMFAO @ Mae Young's son. That moment was just golden.

[Crimson]

An absolutely fantastic Raw tonight and a great way to celebrate it's 1000th episode. I loved the Heel turn from CM Punk. I really didn't see it coming.

I only have two problems with Raw tonight though....

1. AJ being made Raw GM.

2. No Austin.

Everything else. Fantastic.

Agree with both.

[Theo Dious]

Oddly enough, it seems like Punk just got boo'd because he DIDN'T turn around and attack The Rock some more.

Yeah, that's called properly turning someone heel who the fans are very likely to continue to cheer.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Very fun show overall. My only gripe was there not being a battle royal or something with a bunch of obscure midcarders from the past few years. Not a big deal or anything - I just loved the one they had at the Raw 15th anniversary because there were a lot of guys you don't normally associate with a nostalgia show. Maybe they'll do that for the 20th anniversary which will officially be happening soon.</font>

[Rollermacka]

No Bushwhackers, no Ryback, and no austin? Worst 1000th raw ever!

Yea, the other 100th RAWs have been soo much better :p

[CSL]

in terms of Austin, maybe he turned it down/it was never on the cards. Bigger impact if he shows up "down the road" and odds are new heel CM Punk is going to need a WrestleMania opponent http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Hanso Amore]

I loved the Punk turn. I loved alot.

For the 100th raw, drop the clay Squash, drop some other garbge, give me a few more legnends. And how you dont have Austin, I dont get it. Even in the Slater Segment. let him come out leading the legends. Something. NOT NOTHING.

[Team Sheep]

Great show. I was just shocked they'd end the 1000th Raw all dull and gloomy like that. When Punk had Rock on his shoulders or when he was just stood in the ring for ages after it I was just waiting for the glass to shatter. Stunner to Punk, beer drinking, close the show in a celebratory fashion, and sets up Punk vs Austin for Wrestlemania. A 1000th episode of Raw without Austin? Damn. Otherwise, fantastic show from top to bottom. Pretty much met my expectations so I'm satisfied.

[Hanso Amore]

I was hoping for Blackman, and random midcarders too. Not goign to trash it or be that guy, just wasnt hoping for more. But I sort of get them using the platform for their current talent.

[dronepool]

Best RAW in a while.

[Keith]

I'm cautiously optimistic this may be a Punk heel turn.

We can't be sure yet, however. The St Louis crowd was booing CM Punk during his promo with Rock and Daniel Bryan, so it may be part of the "Chicago/St Louis" rivalry, who knows?

Or they may just like The Rock so much that they'll boo whoever does anything to him.

But if Punk does indeed turn, awesome.

[#1-norm-fan]

Only reasons I hate the heel turn are A) I prefer Punk as a "straight shooter" and not a typical cheating heel like I feel like they're going to make him and B) He's not gonna be able to be put over as "the man" as a heel. He's basically a lock to lose the title to Rock at Rumble so we can have Rock-Cena two at WrestleMania and Punk can continue to be out of the picture.

I really want a good new guy to be put over in the main event at WrestleMania and Punk was that chance. Ah well.

[Cool King]

in terms of Austin, maybe he turned it down/it was never on the cards. Bigger impact if he shows up "down the road" and odds are new heel CM Punk is going to need a WrestleMania opponent http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

As soon as I read that, I thought that maybe having Austin show up, might have overshadowed Punk's heel turn, maybe?

[GD]

I am not sure if Punk will get over as a heel. Plus his DVD is coming out. WTF? Maybe it was just for self preservation.

[CSL]

I'm cautiously optimistic this may be a Punk heel turn.

We can't be sure yet, however. The St Louis crowd was booing CM Punk during his promo with Rock and Daniel Bryan, so it may be part of the "Chicago/St Louis" rivalry, who knows?

Or they may just like The Rock so much that they'll boo whoever does anything to him.

But if Punk does indeed turn, awesome.

doubt they're gonna have King putting over Punk "turning on the WWE Universe" if that's not the direction they're heading

[Corporate CockSnogger]

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[#1-norm-fan]

As for now I'm holding out hope that they are going with a new age of "anti-hero" with him as opposed to a full heel turn and make him the victim against Rock stealing the spotlight.

Basically re-do Rock vs Cena from last year but with a guy that most of the crowd might actually get behind against Rock.

[Heisenberg]

Safe to say Ziggler is a sure shot to cash in successfully?

[Keith]

doubt they're gonna have King putting over Punk "turning on the WWE Universe" if that's not the direction they're heading


I wonder if the whole "incident" Punk had at the St Louis airport was all a part of this.

[#1-norm-fan]

First thing I thought of when he walked out of the ring dejectedly while Rock was running in was when Eve told Punk how he'd been overshadowed all this time by Rock, Cena, Lesnar, etc. a few weeks ago.

[CSL]

As soon as I read that, I though that maybe having Austin show up, might have overshadowed Punk's heel turn, maybe?

absolutely would have, would have been too much. That ending put Punk smack bang in the spotlight, doesn't come off half as well if he's lying on the ground while Austin drinks beer. They have long term plans in motion in terms of Rock/Cena by the looks of it, if Austin/Punk happens it can be built up in the regular Rumble-to-Mania build amount of time (or any amount of time from here onwards)

[Hanso Amore]

The end game here is great. Rock as champ vs Cena (losing most likely) and then Punk as heel vs austin.

This is just Jericho again. Too much hoping on my part.

[Crimson]

Only reasons I hate the heel turn are A) I prefer Punk as a "straight shooter" and not a typical cheating heel like I feel like they're going to make him and B) He's not gonna be able to be put over as "the man" as a heel. He's basically a lock to lose the title to Rock at Rumble so we can have Rock-Cena two at WrestleMania and Punk can continue to be out of the picture.

I really want a good new guy to be put over in the main event at WrestleMania and Punk was that chance. Ah well.

I would prefer Punk/Rock for Mania. idkk with this it's almost a lock it will be at the Rumble. Hope not, maybe Punk can lose title beforehand and challenge Rock for it at Mania

[dronepool]

Daniel Bryan and CM Punk vs Rock and Cena at Summerslam?

[Blakeamus]

Only reasons I hate the heel turn are A) I prefer Punk as a "straight shooter" and not a typical cheating heel like I feel like they're going to make him and B) He's not gonna be able to be put over as "the man" as a heel. He's basically a lock to lose the title to Rock at Rumble so we can have Rock-Cena two at WrestleMania and Punk can continue to be out of the picture.

I really want a good new guy to be put over in the main event at WrestleMania and Punk was that chance. Ah well.

That is one reason I see him doing what he did. The Rock comes around a few times a year, gets a WWE title shot, and has a chance to main event WM yet again and CM Punk (looked as the new guy to be put over in the main event) AGAIN has to take a back seat to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. I think he took the opportunity to lay a message to The Rock. I don't see how we are shooting the gun to think he has turned. Didn't Cena hit the Rock suprisingly before WM 27 and nobody labeled that as a heel turn? I can't wait to find out next week why.

[Hanso Amore]

absolutely would have, would have been too much. That ending put Punk smack bang in the spotlight, doesn't come off half as well if he's lying on the ground while Austin drinks beer. They have long term plans in motion in terms of Rock/Cena by the looks of it, if Austin/Punk happens it can be built up in the regular Rumble-to-Mania build amount of time (or any amount of time from here onwards)

I agree. Doesnt mean he couldnt have been on the card earlier. Hes the biggest Raw star ever (Not going to argue the rock) and I think he should have showed even in a smaller roll. I saw Swoggle and Santino on my screen for 5 wasted minutes.

[#1-norm-fan]

The end game here is great. Rock as champ vs Cena (losing most likely) and then Punk as heel vs austin.

This is just Jericho again. Too much hoping on my part.

Who's losing most likely? Cena or Rock? Can't see any way Cena loses against Rock for the title at WrestleMania. Rock's not coming back full time and for him to have a reign longer than just Rumble to WrestleMania, he'd have to. Not to mention the fact that I can't see how/why they would have Rock just go over Cena AGAIN.

[Dukelorange]

I doubt they can keep this up for 3 hours for long... If they actually had people WRESTLE and had multple angles entertwined, some stables, a tag and diva divison. Them a 3 hour Raw could work. Oh yeah, they may need to get rid of Superstars...

[Team Sheep]

Punk beating on Rock isn't shocking like WWE intended it to be. Rock's just been fighting Cena for the past year, the biggest face ever. The only thing that made it clear to me that it's a heel turn was King saying he's turned his back on the WWE Universe. Otherwise I wouldn't know it at all.

[Emperor Smeat]

Great RAW this week. Might have been short on matches but tonight was all about celebration. Loved all the obscure references and Slick's face when AJ rejected Bryan.

Punk turning heel and a feud against the Rock will really benefit him especially after the Bryan-Punk feud which had amazing matches ended last week. Did seem weird he was unwilling to take advantage of Cena getting KO'ed but moments later clobbered the Rock for no reason.

Cena winning the case seems like a cop-out or wasted too quickly since the streak didn't end nor Cena didn't get the title either. Him wanting a regular match and Big Show's first run in would have been the perfect way to end it.

[#1-norm-fan]

That is one reason I see him doing what he did. The Rock comes around a few times a year, gets a WWE title shot, and has a chance to main event WM yet again and CM Punk (looked as the new guy to be put over in the main event) AGAIN has to take a back seat to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. I think he took the opportunity to lay a message to The Rock. I don't see how we are shooting the gun to think he has turned. Didn't Cena hit the Rock suprisingly before WM 27 and nobody labeled that as a heel turn? I can't wait to find out next week why.

I HOPE they're going that direction in a Cena-Rock style feud. Punk's reaction as he walked down the aisle and Lawler's comment though makes me worry...

[Droford]

bg show will be punks first member in the reformed SES

[BigCrippyZ]

Great RAW, even though I too was expecting and disappointed with a lack of Austin.

I think Punk can do a great job as a heel, with his own version of the arrogant, bitter, "overshadowed", "top" company guy, who can actually work and talk, ala Jericho.

[Cool King]

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WWE stealing my photo ideas. :shifty:

[Keith]

Bigger impact if he shows up "down the road" and odds are new heel CM Punk is going to need a WrestleMania opponent http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Austin has said that if he was to have one more match, it'd be against Punk.

So I truly believe that Austin not appearing tonight (not even in a pre-recorded video message) was done so the focus would be on Punk's heel turn, and WWE decided to keep Austin "cool", so when he does in fact return for an angle with Punk, it'll just be madness because the WWE Universe hasn't seen him in so long.

[Autobahn]

Not having Austin appear was baffling to say the least.

Hope Punk plays this as an anti-hero like last year after the pipebomb. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Corndad]

I'm actually in the minority as well as its not a heel turn, he just doesn't like the Rock coming in for the spotlight. Makes sense. I find it hard to believe they would put him on the Video Game and give him is own DVD soon only to Heel him now. We will see what happens next week with No Rock. That spot was done for Rumble.

[#1-norm-fan]

I would prefer Punk/Rock for Mania. idkk with this it's almost a lock it will be at the Rumble. Hope not, maybe Punk can lose title beforehand and challenge Rock for it at Mania

Punk losing it to someone like Show or possibly Lesnar with Rock's help as payback for tonight, the new champ going on a warpath before losing it to Rock at the Rumble and Punk winning the Royal Rumble match to challenge Rock at WM would be awesome.

[CSL]

bg show will be punks first member in the reformed SES

Show as Punk's #1 henchman would actually be a great spot for him and would add to Punk once Show's done with Cena

[Hanso Amore]

Who's losing most likely? Cena or Rock? Can't see any way Cena loses against Rock for the title at WrestleMania. Rock's not coming back full time and for him to have a reign longer than just Rumble to WrestleMania, he'd have to. Not to mention the fact that I can't see how/why they would have Rock just go over Cena AGAIN.


Im saying Rock loses. Puts cena over, evens then up, and puts the title long term on a full time guy.

punk can heel it up, Austin comes in, wins one more and its over.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cena winning the case seems like a cop-out or wasted too quickly since the streak didn't end nor Cena didn't get the title either. Him wanting a regular match and Big Show's first run in would have been the perfect way to end it.

What do you mean the streak didn't end. They can no longer say "Every time the case has been cashed in, we've had a new champion." I thought that was the streak?

[Gonzo]

Pretty enjoyable show overall. Some nice spots/moments. Interesting to see where things will go from here.

[Keith]

bg show will be punks first member in the reformed SES

Only this time instead of shaving people's heads, Punk has people grow their hair.

[Blakeamus]

I HOPE they're going that direction in a Cena-Rock style feud. Punk's reaction as he walked down the aisle and Lawler's comment though makes me worry...

Why worry? Punk heel v.s. The Rock will be GOLD!

[Team Sheep]

Austin has said that if he was to have one more match, it'd be against Punk.

So I truly believe that Austin not appearing tonight (not even in a pre-recorded video message) was done so the focus would be on Punk's heel turn, and WWE decided to keep Austin "cool", so when he does in fact return for an angle with Punk, it'll just be madness because the WWE Universe hasn't seen him in so long.

Spot on. I'm disappointed right now not to have seen him tonight but in a couple of months his return will be class and we'll be glad he wasn't there tonight. This suddenly explains the random Austin/McMahon package they decided to air. He had to have some mention.

[Blakeamus]

RAW 1000 needed more #stompinmudholesandwalkinitdry

[Blakeamus]

Maybe they were smart enough to keep Austin for the 20th anniversary of RAW?

[Team Sheep]

What do you mean the streak didn't end. They can no longer say "Every time the case has been cashed in, we've had a new champion." I thought that was the streak?

I guess now they'll start saying "every time it's been cashed in the champion has lost."

[CSL]

keep the belt on Punk, have him go over every babyface in the company not named John Cena, even have him go over Triple H or something at say Survivor Series, Show as his henchman, Austin costs him the belt/"evens the numbers" because of something planted between them beforehand at the Rumble, Cena wins Rumble, build Austin/Punk and Rock/Cena, Big Show gets involved in Austin/Punk at Mania, Vince shows up and "levels the playing field" with a chair or something, Austin over, Punk doesn't look bad, Austin/Vince drink beer, Cena over Rock clean in the main for the title and we're golden. We out

[Keith]

I wonder if at Summerslam we'll see Rock/Cena vs Punk/Big Show as a way to keep the storyline going and keep The Rock "tuned up" as it pertains to actual wrestling (especially in front of a live crowd).

[Blakeamus]

Cena's cash will be determined as premature. I can assure you, that his cash in will be considered invalid due to all of the interferences that occurred. It would really make the MITB concept meaningless if you win by DQ and waste a cash in like that. AJ as the GM...I can see her continuing to be involved in the WWE title picture while Punk is still champ and grant Cena another opportunity.

[#1-norm-fan]

Why worry? Punk heel v.s. The Rock will be GOLD!

No way a heel Punk beats Rock unless there's shenanigans. And I don't like the idea that they would spend all last year trying to get the fans to cheer Rock's face nemesis because he's a face and now they'd be trying to get people against Punk because he's heel.

Punk's gonna get cheered still. They have what they wanted last year with Cena in Punk. A guy who can actually make for a dynamic crowd reaction. I'd prefer them to just roll with it. Having the guy you want as your future getting cheered as he takes out The Rock would be an amazing way to put him over.

As a heel, I can't see how he doesn't just become old CM Punk and be the typical "either cheat to win or lose" heel and as we've seen with The Miz, that doesn't really get guys over.

Rock's gotta put someone over at some point. It's gotta be building to the ultimate rub. I'd prefer that to be a face Punk.

[James Steele]

Who gives a fuck if he is face or heel? Punk beating Rock would be huge.

[BigCrippyZ]

Who gives a fuck if he is face or heel? Punk beating Rock would be huge.

THIS

[#1-norm-fan]

Who gives a fuck if he is face or heel? Punk beating Rock would be huge.

He won't do it as a heel though. They wouldn't give that rub to a heel.

[Keith]

I do think that in his heart of hearts, deep down, Rock would rather lose to Punk than to John Cena.

[Emperor Smeat]

What do you mean the streak didn't end. They can no longer say "Every time the case has been cashed in, we've had a new champion." I thought that was the streak?

Depends on wording the WWE uses from now on but technically the streak still is active since everyone who's cashed has won their match. The only change now is the case no longer guarantees a title but everyone who's had it is still undefeated.

I consider it as a cop-out moment mostly because Cena still won which doesn't give him the negative status as the first MitB winner to lose his match while the WWE can now use the actual loss for someone else like maybe Ziggler or for a future case winner.

[#1-norm-fan]

I do think that in his heart of hearts, deep down, Rock would rather lose to Punk than to John Cena.

I don't know why you'd think that.

[BigCrippyZ]

Regardless of face/heel status, win/loss regarding Punk vs Rock, the match (or matches) and promos will be incredible.

[PullMyFinger]

What a great ending - finally something to freshen up the dead WWE landscape. Ever since the awesome Summer of Punk, what did we get? Face Punk playing SECOND FREAKING FIDDLE to Cena the whole damn time. Then he was in a ridiculous love triangle. Turning him heel just pumps me up that much for Rock vs. Punk, Punk being a mega heel, Rock being a bonafide face, and hopefully this is the end of the boring Show heel push. Until the Rock comes back in time for the Rumble though, I have a feeling Punk will be a cheered heel over Cena.

[Damndirty]

I don't know why you'd think that.

Cuz Cena has less wrestling skill than either of the other two.

[Keith]

I don't know why you'd think that.

'Cause during their feud, Rock always had the upper hand and didn't lose to Cena at WM.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm just desperate for someone awesome to be put over. Someone who can main event WrestleMania with a shitload of anticipation without someone from a past generation being their opponent.

[Damndirty]

Perhaps this kind of heel turn is a new experiment that may make Punk more popular than Cena... or just make kids hate Punk more, I'm fine both ways.

[#1-norm-fan]

Perhaps this kind of heel turn is a new experiment that may make Punk more popular than Cena... or just make kids hate Punk more, I'm fine both ways.

Yeah that crossed my mind. Maybe this is an attempt to make a new age style of the "anti-hero" face.

[Damndirty]

Just occured to me that Punk can pull off some better pipe bombs as a heel (blasting the crowd and such) than he does as a face.

[James Steele]

He won't do it as a heel though. They wouldn't give that rub to a heel.

You decided this based on what? WWE hasn't ever been in this kind of situation before. Besides, I think this will be more of a tweener/tease heel for awhile as Punk can easily justify his actions and slowly descend into evil. I think Punk beating Rocky after snapping and beating the fuck out of him with a chair (ala Austin @ WM17) would be just as effective as being a babyface beating him clean especially since Austin/Punk is a good possibility at Mania and Punk going over would completely cement him as "the man". Kinda wish they booked this for Survivor Series instead of the Rumble, but I guess The Rock's schedule is what it is. Also, The Rock showed he can't work a "shoot feud" all that well, so a heel punk will give him more to work off of and Punk can do anything on the mic.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fuck Rock if he can't work a shoot feud. All the better for Punk to look good.

[Damndirty]

This is rather odd with Bryan as a heel too.

[#1-norm-fan]

The Austin beating the fuck out of Rock with a chair to win thing only worked because they both went in as a face and Austin turned heel and aligned with McMahon. That's what made it effective as a WrestleMania moment. There's nothing special about a heel beating a face by hitting them with a chair.

[#1-norm-fan]

This is rather odd with Bryan as a heel too.

I think Bryan's involvement in this whole thing began and ended tonight. lol

[Damndirty]

And in that time, Austin turning heel was almost (not quite as much, but in 2nd place) as shocking as Hogan's heel turn.

[GD]

Lita's breasts were amazing.

[Damndirty]

Yeah... Bryan's probably getting demoted to AJ's bitch!

[James Steele]

I'm just desperate for someone awesome to be put over. Someone who can main event WrestleMania with a shitload of anticipation without someone from a past generation being their opponent.

Are you arguing that CM Punk wasn't "put over"? He is the hottest thing in wrestling and is over like fucking crazy. Jericho/Punk had a shitload of anticipation. Punk/Rock will be red fucking hot come the Rumble, and if they do pull the trigger on Punk/Austin...it will headline WrestleMania XXIX. WrestleMania hasn't been a "1 main event" show in quite some time, so I consider Punk/Jericho a WrestleMania main event even though it didn't go on last and didn't have the most build out of the 3 main events. The problem isn't the faces, it is the heels. There hasn't been a new HEEL that has been on Cena's level since 2005. Right now, WWE has Dolph (who will be a babyface come WrestleMania), Cody, and Wade Barrett as guys who are heels close to being on that level but they aren't. CM Punk is the perfect guy to turn heel and make the biggest/most legitimate thread heel since Triple H. I also think you are underestimating how much people love The Rock. Punk/Rock screams "Rock/Hogan" where the fans just love the fuck out of the legend and cool new main eventer be damned. This is perfect because it easily plays into CM Punk's character and the justification for his heel turn. He thought he was the voice of the voiceless, etc. but the people are still the same stupid fucking sheep who don't want to be saved, they just want to be led.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm also thinking Punk could draw in some of Cena's younger fans that hate Rock for beating Cena last year.

[Skippord]

gonna watch this now

pretty rad opening video

[Skippord]

fucking hate this song though, so much

[BigCrippyZ]

Fuck shoot feuds. I hate how the IWC folks act like shoot feuds/promos are the be all end all.

[Skippord]

already saw Punk turn and Taker return so I'm pretty sure I picked out the two best parts

[Skippord]

oh God there's another terrible song

[Skippord]

Shawn Michaels is slowly drifting towards crazy old man territory

[Keith]

I think Bryan's involvement in this whole thing began and ended tonight. lol

I think Bryan will feud with Y2J now.

[Skippord]

DX is really the Abbot and Costello of underwear jokes

[James Steele]

Fuck Rock if he can't work a shoot feud. All the better for Punk to look good.

Indeed. The Rock being awkward in promos and hammering the same insults for weeks will help build up to the big match to put Punk over alright... :roll:

Punk beating the fuck out of The Rock with a chair could easily have a huge impact and cement him. I hope they make Punk more of a Tweener, but I don't know if Punk will get cheered equal to The Rock the more they interact and stuff building to the Rumble even if he is a face.

[Damndirty]

Are you arguing that CM Punk wasn't "put over"? He is the hottest thing in wrestling and is over like fucking crazy. Jericho/Punk had a shitload of anticipation. Punk/Rock will be red fucking hot come the Rumble, and if they do pull the trigger on Punk/Austin...it will headline WrestleMania XXIX. WrestleMania hasn't been a "1 main event" show in quite some time, so I consider Punk/Jericho a WrestleMania main event even though it didn't go on last and didn't have the most build out of the 3 main events. The problem isn't the faces, it is the heels. There hasn't been a new HEEL that has been on Cena's level since 2005. Right now, WWE has Dolph (who will be a babyface come WrestleMania), Cody, and Wade Barrett as guys who are heels close to being on that level but they aren't. CM Punk is the perfect guy to turn heel and make the biggest/most legitimate thread heel since Triple H. I also think you are underestimating how much people love The Rock. Punk/Rock screams "Rock/Hogan" where the fans just love the fuck out of the legend and cool new main eventer be damned. This is perfect because it easily plays into CM Punk's character and the justification for his heel turn. He thought he was the voice of the voiceless, etc. but the people are still the same stupid fucking sheep who don't want to be saved, they just want to be led.

Adult wrestling fans (who aren't fans just because their kids are) put Punk over as the hottest thing, but the majority of Cena fans (who apparently are the majority of the ratings in their peak periods) don't see it that way. These are far more confusing times than the prime of Austin, the Rock, and Hogan, there is alot more diversity amongst fans, but Punk is still second as far as fan-base.

[Skippord]

Billy Gunn and X-Pac still look pretty good

[Skippord]

I would have preferred a "The One" Billy Gunn reunion though

[#1-norm-fan]

Are you arguing that CM Punk wasn't "put over"? He is the hottest thing in wrestling and is over like fucking crazy. Jericho/Punk had a shitload of anticipation. Punk/Rock will be red fucking hot come the Rumble, and if they do pull the trigger on Punk/Austin...it will headline WrestleMania XXIX. WrestleMania hasn't been a "1 main event" show in quite some time, so I consider Punk/Jericho a WrestleMania main event even though it didn't go on last and didn't have the most build out of the 3 main events. The problem isn't the faces, it is the heels. There hasn't been a new HEEL that has been on Cena's level since 2005. Right now, WWE has Dolph (who will be a babyface come WrestleMania), Cody, and Wade Barrett as guys who are heels close to being on that level but they aren't. CM Punk is the perfect guy to turn heel and make the biggest/most legitimate thread heel since Triple H. I also think you are underestimating how much people love The Rock. Punk/Rock screams "Rock/Hogan" where the fans just love the fuck out of the legend and cool new main eventer be damned. This is perfect because it easily plays into CM Punk's character and the justification for his heel turn. He thought he was the voice of the voiceless, etc. but the people are still the same stupid fucking sheep who don't want to be saved, they just want to be led.

Do you really think Punk vs Jericho could have closed out WrestleMania last year and not left an anti-climactic WrestleMania ending? Really?

If not, that should tell you that Punk is not "over" like he needs to be. He's over compared to the current crop of wrestlers. Rock and, yes John Cena blow him out of the water as far as guys for a legit WrestleMania main event feel.

[Skippord]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I GOT

and does a Missoura boat ride end up with some sort of forced sodomy?

[BigCrippyZ]

Haven't really seen him in several years, but X-Pac has quite a gut on him nowadays.

[Damndirty]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK AT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I GOT

and does a Missoura boat ride end up with some sort of forced sodomy?

Yes, and I am the one who commits those sodomies!:naughty:

[#1-norm-fan]

Indeed. The Rock being awkward in promos and hammering the same insults for weeks will help build up to the big match to put Punk over alright... :roll:

Oh no. Rock sucks at something that's entertaining. Please mold all storylines for him and forget other guys' strengths. :'(

P.S. The best thing that "worked" for Cena during that feud was when he called out Rock sucking at riffing and having to use notes. So yeah, it is useful.

[Blitz]

Dunno why everyone feels like that was a full on Punk turn. Doesn't seem like it really.

[#1-norm-fan]

Dunno why everyone feels like that was a full on Punk turn. Doesn't seem like it really.

The way he acted when he was walking down the aisle and Lawler's "Punk turned on the WWE Universe comment" kinda lead me to think it may have been,

[Damndirty]

I'm sticking with experimentation.

[Skippord]

gonna look up Missoura boat ride on urban dictionary

[James Steele]

I'm also thinking Punk could draw in some of Cena's younger fans that hate Rock for beating Cena last year.

He already has a lot of young fans since he "officially" turned face and quit shitting all over Cena. I still think the older fans will cheer for The Rock over CM Punk. Punk will get pops for "bombs" he drops in promos and the awesome promos in general he will deliver, but CM Punk's character has always had heelish tendencies to it. I think that even if Punk goes in babyface, it'd be like Rock/Hogan where the crowd would cheer the fuck out of Hogan just because of who he is and for him to win the title would mean he might actually be back and they would want that. Punk goes over, but he isn't the triumphant hero conquering the legend and riding his white horse up to Mount Olympus to sit on the right hand of Zeus and the wrestling gods.

[Keith]

If you're going to believe this was a full-fledged Punk heel turn, don't base your decision on anything Jerry Lawler might've said.

Just sayin'.