Ermaximus, Cool King, Xero, and Tazz Dan Present: Raw Thread for 07/23/12 Billy and Dolph vs. The World.

[James Steele]

Dunno why everyone feels like that was a full on Punk turn. Doesn't seem like it really.

The way he acted when he was walking down the aisle and Lawler's "Punk turned on the WWE Universe comment" kinda lead me to think it may have been,

King made it sound like a full-on heel turn, but I think they can easily explain it and keep Punk a tweener. People went nuts because they know now they will get to see Punk/Rock, but once they actually start building to it: The Rock will have the overall crowd on his side and always will.

[Blitz]

The way he acted when he was walking down the aisle and Lawler's "Punk turned on the WWE Universe comment" kinda lead me to think it may have been,
Punk should be one of the more complicated characters. I'd think if it was gonna be a full heel turn, he wouldn't have been so hesitant to try and pin Cena after the knock out punch. He believes he's gonna face Rock, so might as well put a little exclamation point on it.

I'm not saying he won't be presented as a heel by WWE, but I hope they go for more of a grey area. From a character/storyline standpoint, his actions made sense. And I think it will take a lot more than that if they want him as a full fledged heel. Wait'll next week, I suppose.

[Skippord]

Damien Sandow :cool:

also I am defining Missoura Boat Ride

[Skippord]

Damien Sandow :(

[James Steele]

I am wondering what random ass insults Rock will come up with for CM Punk. I can't think of anything you can easily make fun of him for other than some of his tattoos (Pepsi logo, etc.) and even The Rock can only go so far with that. Luckily, The Rock won't use up all his material 14 months before the match. The Fruity Pebbles thing was the best thing Rock had against Cena and it was hammered into the ground before they even announced Rock/Cena for WMXXVIII.

[#1-norm-fan]

He already has a lot of young fans since he "officially" turned face and quit shitting all over Cena. I still think the older fans will cheer for The Rock over CM Punk. Punk will get pops for "bombs" he drops in promos and the awesome promos in general he will deliver, but CM Punk's character has always had heelish tendencies to it. I think that even if Punk goes in babyface, it'd be like Rock/Hogan where the crowd would cheer the fuck out of Hogan just because of who he is and for him to win the title would mean he might actually be back and they would want that. Punk goes over, but he isn't the triumphant hero conquering the legend and riding his white horse up to Mount Olympus to sit on the right hand of Zeus and the wrestling gods.

I know he already has some of Cena's fans on his side too but I think those fans who hate Rock for beating their hero would lead to even more. As for the adult wrestling crowd, I think it could be pretty split. In the end, I have a feeling if they went in a WrestleMania right now, I'm not so sure Rock fans would dominate the crowd. They'd still be a lot of people who watch wrestling regularly and Punk wouldn't be that guy a lot of people are already voicing being sick of like Cena was against Rock and Rock was against Hogan. I think people would wanna see that new face emerge.

[Keith]

I am wondering what random ass insults Rock will come up with for CM Punk. I can't think of anything you can easily make fun of him for other than some of his tattoos (Pepsi logo, etc.) and even The Rock can only go so far with that. Luckily, The Rock won't use up all his material 14 months before the match. The Fruity Pebbles thing was the best thing Rock had against Cena and it was hammered into the ground before they even announced Rock/Cena for WMXXVIII.


Punk would rip Rock to shreds.

IDK how they'd do this, but, if you thought Cena made Rock look bad at times, wait 'til Punk gets to him.

[Skippord]

I've always wondered if Hacksaw Jim Duggan was based on some sort of Looney Toon

[Indifferent Clox]

that was basically wwe the movie

[Skippord]

I really want that giant hand costume

[Poit]

I would have preferred a "The One" Billy Gunn reunion though

For you (and Iginfest):

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[Skippord]

whoa Brodus Clay is dressed like the American flag they drape over fallen soldier's caskets

[#1-norm-fan]

I really want that giant hand costume

And I just noticed watching it on TV here on the west coast that the side had a giant tear in it where the stuffing was coming out. lol

[Skippord]

why didn't Brodus wear tie dye if they were going to have Dude Love around?

[Skippord]

Dude Socko is interesting

[Skippord]

I would like Trish Stratus to do horrible things to me and my face

[Skippord]

I would like to retract my earlier statement about X-Pac

[Skippord]

it is impossible to look cool in a white suit unless you're colonel Sanders I guess

[Skippord]

at the very least this episode of Raw has taught me that AJ will look really good at our wedding.

[#1-norm-fan]

How many matches has Christian lost by being injured recently?

I remember it used to be an old school way of having a heel beat a face for a title without doing a typical cheat. I remember specifically HBK beat The British Bulldog at SNME for the IC title after Bulldog injured his knee and it gave out on him.

Seems like Christian has it happen all the time now. It happened against Ziggler in that fatal fourway to decide Sheamus' opponent for No Way Out, it happened against Cody Rhodes I think in the MITB qualifying match and now tonight.

[Skippord]

I really like The Miz's new hairstyle

[Sepholio]

They should have had Mick come out as all of his personas at different points during the show. Would have really marked for a Cactus Jack moment or a Mankind 'have a nice day!' moment.

[Skippord]

why is Charlie Sheen wearing so many different hats?

[Skippord]

not metaphorically

[Skippord]

the H family really beats the shit out of Paul Heyman

[Skippord]

Paul Heyman would make a good cartoon character

[Lock Jaw]

I don't agree with turning CM Punk heel at all. Basically throwing away all the hard work that they did to make him one of the most over faces in years. No one was even close to "taking over" Cena's spot but him. Now they are back to Cena and Cena alone.

I would like to think that this is just him going tweener again, solely for a feud with Rock/Cena, before going back to being a face.... but like #1-wwf-fan said.... Jerry Lawler's line seems to indicate it was a full on heel turn.

I do not approve.

[Skippord]

that appears to be an anus on Brock's shirt

[Lock Jaw]

ALSO BULLSHIT AT CHRISTIAN LOSING THE IC TITLE


(Though if he had to do it, I'm glad it was to Kyle Reese and not Cody Rhodes)

[Lock Jaw]

that appears to be an anus on Brock's shirt

Goes well with his Penis Sword.

[Skippord]

Jesus Christ Lita

[#1-norm-fan]

They should have had Mick come out as all of his personas at different points during the show. Would have really marked for a Cactus Jack moment or a Mankind 'have a nice day!' moment.

Mankind sitting and rocking against the wall when AJ had the door open looking at the crazies and Cactus Jack coming out when Slater asked for a no holds barred match. Would have made the tri-fecta.

[Lock Jaw]

ALSO. PRETTY SURE LITA'S BOOB POPPED OUT ONTO HEATH SLATER WHEN SHE HIT THE MOONSAULT.

[Skippord]

if I ever meet CM Punk I will high five him

[#1-norm-fan]

And why the fuck was Daniel Bryan talking to those orderlies backstage before the wedding?

[Skippord]

also probably Heath Slater

[Lock Jaw]

And why the fuck was Daniel Bryan talking to those orderlies backstage before the wedding?

Hornswoggle.

[#1-norm-fan]

ALSO. PRETTY SURE LITA'S BOOB POPPED OUT ONTO HEATH SLATER WHEN SHE HIT THE MOONSAULT.

I'll be checking all night.

[Skippord]

Bradshaw's mom jeans are pretty awesome you guys

[Skippord]

Lita's breast def popped out btw

[#1-norm-fan]

This could have been the least wrestling based Raw ever and it was incredible. See. You can book great shows while saving the big blowoff wrestling matches for PPV.

[Skippord]

she tucked it right back in like a pro

also Slater sold that Clothesline From Hell incredibly

[BigCrippyZ]

This could have been the least wrestling based Raw ever and it was incredible. See. You can book great shows while saving the big blowoff wrestling matches for PPV.

You absolutely can. The problem is, they don't.

[Skippord]

lol why does Jinder Mahal speak for the J.O.B Squad?

[BigCrippyZ]

Lita's breast def popped out btw

Now I will go back and see :naughty:

She still looks great. Hasn't aged at all honestly

[Skippord]

He's probably the worst talker and worst wrestler in that whole group, also Drew McIntyre :'(

[Keith]

she tucked it right back in like a pro

also Slater sold that Clothesline From Hell incredibly

I saw that, but I wasn't sure if it was her breast or if it was her or Heath Slater's arm.

[#1-norm-fan]

Stream was bad quality. Some guy on twitter said you got "full tit". I'm not buying it. Probably gonna be censored out on the west coast anyway.

[jbizness]

Dudes, I totally called the Mae Young hand thing, I just thought it'd be revealed that it was Ryback!, Unfortunately, i was joking; WWE was not. But seriously what the fuck was this? I hope after a 40 and some vodka I might understand, but its not looking good

[#1-norm-fan]

lol why does Jinder Mahal speak for the J.O.B Squad?

Because he's the soon to be NXT champion AKA king of the jobbers.

[#1-norm-fan]

I saw that, but I wasn't sure if it was her breast or if it was her or Heath Slater's arm.

Heath Slater got to feel Lita's nipple then.

LUCKY!

[Skippord]

Stream was bad quality. Some guy on twitter said you got "full tit". I'm not buying it. Probably gonna be censored out on the west coast anyway.
Assuming it was any tit it was just the side.

I J.F.K'd it and was less sure of it on the instant replay, still pretty sure it was a free boobie though

[jbizness]

And I'm sure it was touched on, but this feels like bad timing for the CM Punk heel turn, just not much logic. Felt incredibly sloppy. I guess Duane is so over that the fans will boo anyone who touches him, even if Duane calls them out 30 minutes beforehand. :shifty:

[Keith]

So they're actually saying that Daniel Bryan is going to wrestle Charlie Sheen at Summerslam?

Please no.

[Skippord]

I have always wanted to watch Daniel Bryan wrestle a dried out husk of a human being

[Lock Jaw]

Would have marked if when X-Pac was alone with Trish, Johnny Curtis would have just walked in, rubbing miscellaneous oil on himself and asked "wanna get weird?"

[Sepholio]

I can definitely confirm that Lita popped out of her top. Should be featured on the next episode of Peter Griffin's side boob hour.

[Autobahn]

There is no guarantee this is going to be a heel turn for CM Punk. May just be a tweener, ala HBK in his feud with Hogan.

The possibilities of a heel turn are interesting, but seems like many are getting ahead of themselves saying he is now a full on heel.

He may be...just have to wait and see.

[Sepholio]

I was also kinda holding out hope that Ernest Miller would have come out during the nightly BC squash match.

[Keith]

There is no guarantee this is going to be a heel turn for CM Punk. May just be a tweener, ala HBK in his feud with Hogan.

The possibilities of a heel turn are interesting, but seems like many are getting ahead of themselves saying he is now a full on heel.

He may be...just have to wait and see.


All he needs to do is go back to what he was doing when he did the famous "pipebomb" shoot.

That's all.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just watched it. Definitey full on side boob. No nipple though. That was resting on Heath Slater's chest for three seconds. Best night of Heath Slater's life.

[Keith]

I'm still trying to see how she popped it back in.

Can't see it.

[#1-norm-fan]

So they're actually saying that Daniel Bryan is going to wrestle Charlie Sheen at Summerslam?

Please no.

Oh come on. People are so uptight about their precious art of wrestling being infiltrated by a celebrity.

Daniel Bryan and Charlie Sheen would be awesome.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm still trying to see how she popped it back in.

Can't see it.

I think she just did it very casually after the three count before she got up.

[#1-norm-fan]

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3:25 for side boob.

[#1-norm-fan]

It appears she fixes it during the count. Sly.

[Curd]

I wonder how they rebuild Slater? I haven't heard his contract expiring. It would have been more credible to have Beth Phoenix do a number on him. How much of a break in kayfabe does it require to believe that Slater couldn't kick out of a lateral press by a 150-pound person? I guess they had him sell the beating as if he were hit on the head with a chair a few times (something which would have been more convincing but obviously un-doable in PG WWE).

The last time Lita competed against a man in WWE, he beat her with one hand tied behind his back (albeit, it was against Super Cena in fall 2006). I guess Kharma really was fired, or Slater would have been put in a program with her at some point.

[#1-norm-fan]

I wonder how they rebuild Slater? I haven't heard his contract expiring. It would have been more credible to have Beth Phoenix do a number on him. How much of a break in kayfabe does it require to believe that Slater couldn't kick out of a lateral press by a 150-pound person? I guess they had him sell the beating as if he were hit on the head with a chair a few times (something which would have been more convincing but obviously un-doable in PG WWE).

The last time Lita competed against a man in WWE, he beat her with one hand tied behind his back (albeit, it was against Super Cena in fall 2006). I guess Kharma really was fired, or Slater would have been put in a program with her at some point.

I didn't know they built him in the first place to require a re-build...

[Keith]

I'm watching some videos on YouTube, some of these "RAW Reviews", and some people are bitching about how "disappointed" they are that WWE did not bring out a new WWE Title.

When the hell did WWE say they were going to bring out a new Title tonight?

People make up their own expectations based on nothing and then consider themselves "disappointed".

[RaginRonic]

In the Austin-McMahon Attitude Era highlight segment, I counted at least 7 instances of an uncensored WWF Scratch logo.

I think that Vince might be getting really tired of covering up history, so he may have let this happen tonight.

I just wish I knew when Vince decided to just surrender to the panda people and take it up the ass from them, with him knowing he has the means to get those initials back whenever he wants.

[Curd]

Nonetheless, I'm sure the National Organization of Women complained that the spot made the Divas look weak "because the woman needed the help of six guys to win!" :roll:
I remember when Eric Bischoff had 3-Minute Warning parody NOW back in 2003. Fun times! :)

[jbizness]

There is no guarantee this is going to be a heel turn for CM Punk. May just be a tweener, ala HBK in his feud with Hogan.

The possibilities of a heel turn are interesting, but seems like many are getting ahead of themselves saying he is now a full on heel.

He may be...just have to wait and see.
Fair enough. He did obv get a pretty huge heel pop, but we'll see where they go with it.


Edit: Id prefer movie star heel Duane or even the long-awaited Cena turn/swerve. But I can reason with them that Punk is starting to become slightly stale as a face. He really is an awesome heel. So regardless, I just take issue with the timing, feels off.

Agree with Keith on the Bryan/Sheen shit. But WWE has a great track record with celebrities. :lol: Maybe Snooki returns during the match to give birth and Charlie and Danielson fight to the death over her placenta

[Curd]

Fair enough. He did obv get a pretty huge heel pop, but we'll see where they go with it.


Edit: Id prefer movie star heel Duane or even the long-awaited Cena turn/swerve. But I can reason with them that Punk is starting to become slightly stale as a face. He really is an awesome heel. So regardless, I just take issue with the timing, feels off.

Agree with Keith on the Bryan/Sheen shit. But WWE has a great track record with celebrities. :lol: Maybe Snooki returns during the match to give birth and Charlie and Danielson fight to the death over her placenta

I like your humor! As for me going on about Slater's burial, I was hoping the "payoff" to the angle would be a big reward like defeating Stone Cold in a once-in-a-lifetime upset, not to merely continue his losing streak. Oh well! That stretch in Slater's career is hopefully over. Sunny days ahead, and I'm not talking about Tammy Sytch! (Lovable whore that she is!) :naughty:

[jbizness]

I'm starting to get drunk while watching for the second time. I still think Ryback should've been in the Mae Young hand costume and only said 'FEED ME MORE!' Didn't have to do his finisher on Mae through a table, but it would've been appreciated. Might as well went full retard with that. JUST SAYING!

[RaginRonic]

Amended WWF Scratch count tonight....13 instances.

Like the one in this post.

http://tpww.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7108&d=1343110560

[Lock Jaw]

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3444/wackyajlaylaskit4.jpg

[Curd]

Amended WWF Scratch count tonight....13 instances.

Like the one in this post.

http://tpww.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7108&d=1343110560

That reminded me of the May 2002 RAWs, LOL.

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.wwe.com/f/photo/image/2012/07/RAW_1000_Photo_191.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

I found the crowd reaction odd for Punk going after Rock. It was like an old school heel turn where the crowd actually reacts as if the guy they were just crazy about just turned against them. Odd.

[Lock Jaw]

The hand looks like Rick Moranis.

[#1-norm-fan]

I just don't want Punk to stereotypically become a dick to the good guys and berate the fans now because he's a heel. Like I said, I'm hoping this is kind of a new experiment of a character they're doing. I like Punk giving the heels their comeuppance. That's why I wanted him to face Show. The underdog who just keeps finding a way to fend off the bad guy role fits him. A guy like Daniel Bryan just wasn't a god nemesis as far as getting him over in that role since Bryan's kind of an underdog heel.

[#1-norm-fan]

The hand looks like Rick Moranis.

More like Rick Mor-HAND-is

[jbizness]

Gotta love how Swagger's intro was interrupted by a plug for Sonic.. do WWE writers sit around like, "Man, we should have never made him WHC, who can he job to this week?"..... "Let's just put in a plug for some shitty shakes from Sonic during his intro this time?"... "Genius!"

[#1-norm-fan]

Would have marked if when X-Pac was alone with Trish, Johnny Curtis would have just walked in, rubbing miscellaneous oil on himself and asked "wanna get weird?"

:'(

This show was a creepy Johnny Curtis moment away from *****

[#1-norm-fan]

Gotta love how Swagger's intro was interrupted by a plug for Sonic.. do WWE writers sit around like, "Man, we should have never made him WHC, who can he job to this week?"..... "Let's just put in a plug for some shitty shakes from Sonic during his intro this time?"... "Genius!"

They're not shakes, they're slushies. And they're not shitty, they're "alright".

[Curd]

Gotta love how Swagger's intro was interrupted by a plug for Sonic.. do WWE writers sit around like, "Man, we should have never made him WHC, who can he job to this week?"..... "Let's just put in a plug for some shitty shakes from Sonic during his intro this time?"... "Genius!"

I heard that next week, Vader is plugging White Castle... because he did the "White Castle of Fear" promo back in WCW, you know? :roll:

[James Steele]

I just don't want Punk to stereotypically become a dick to the good guys and berate the fans now because he's a heel. Like I said, I'm hoping this is kind of a new experiment of a character they're doing. I like Punk giving the heels their comeuppance. That's why I wanted him to face Show. The underdog who just keeps finding a way to fend off the bad guy role fits him. A guy like Daniel Bryan just wasn't a god nemesis as far as getting him over in that role since Bryan's kind of an underdog heel.

He has a reason to shit on the fans though: after all he did to help change the WWE for better, they still shit their pants for guys like Rock, Cena, HHH, Lesnar, etc.

[Shadrick]

Only reasons I hate the heel turn are A) I prefer Punk as a "straight shooter" and not a typical cheating heel like I feel like they're going to make him and B) He's not gonna be able to be put over as "the man" as a heel. He's basically a lock to lose the title to Rock at Rumble so we can have Rock-Cena two at WrestleMania and Punk can continue to be out of the picture.

I really want a good new guy to be put over in the main event at WrestleMania and Punk was that chance. Ah well.

But....


Who's losing most likely? Cena or Rock? Can't see any way Cena loses against Rock for the title at WrestleMania. Rock's not coming back full time and for him to have a reign longer than just Rumble to WrestleMania, he'd have to. Not to mention the fact that I can't see how/why they would have Rock just go over Cena AGAIN.

You couldn't see why it made perfect sense the first time....however I do agree him going over again (and Cena not being affected/no change in his character) would make zero sense.

[jbizness]

They're not shakes, they're slushies. And they're not shitty, they're "alright".
Well, shit! I done fucked up now,

I love Sonic, it was more a joke about the bookers' sabotage of Swagger :wink wink, secret code:

[Indifferent Clox]

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haha

[jbizness]

Well, who hasn't touched Lita's tits at this point... am I right or right? Huhuhuh :Butthead/Triple A emoticon:

[Indifferent Clox]

do you guys htink raw was effected by the votes? otherwise what was up with bryan and the orderlies?

[#1-norm-fan]

But....




You couldn't see why it made perfect sense the first time....however I do agree him going over again (and Cena not being affected/no change in his character) would make zero sense.

I don't know what the "But..." was for.

[#1-norm-fan]

He has a reason to shit on the fans though: after all he did to help change the WWE for better, they still shit their pants for guys like Rock, Cena, HHH, Lesnar, etc.

Yes that's a "wrestling heel" reason. That's something that someone does when they are needed to play the role of a heel. That's what I'm saying I kinda don't want.

[#1-norm-fan]

do you guys htink raw was effected by the votes. otherwise what was up with bryan and the orderlies, and man that match was walk and talked almost entirely

... What?

[jbizness]

Wedding was not of Andrew Martin (RIP you roided son of a bitch!) and Stephanie quality. Really forced and pushed way too quick. They had months to prepare this; especially if you're gonna promote this two months in advance. AJ is a dimepiece and quickly becoming one of the more popular, but what thee fuck? Can't say its a bad thing to have more AJ on tv, but this feels like Hornswoggle all over again.. "well, we got nothing, let's rely on polls from wwe.com!" The only way this angle wins is if AJ does Playboy

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Yeah. The wedding was definitely a case of "We want a wedding and now we have to think of something crazy to happen at the end" and opposed to the wedding being done in order to make something out of it.

[Indifferent Clox]

it's to build to daniel bryan SNAPPING! on sheen

you wont be winning you'll be snapping, then he'lll move on to the next hollywood star who tries to come to wwe, that'd be kinda cool.

[jbizness]

Fwiw, I'm sure it'll be taken down by morn, but if you feel like rewatching it,

http://www.youtube.com/user/WWEPremium

Don't think drinking helps.. I love the mark-out moments, but this was a really uhhhh Raw. Drinking only helps around the Cenadrones

[Shadrick]

I don't know what the "But..." was for.

The But....was for...he DID main event a Mania. As the WWE Champion. And went over. Clean.

[Shadrick]

Rock sold the fuck outta that GTS and that clothesline.

[jbizness]

If Punk does go heel/tweener, which is clearly the plan.. Danielson/Punk teaming together will be surreal and, well, awesome

Edit: does anyone else feel this entire angle is WWE's dumbass belated way to turn Bryan face? It only took you 3 months to see 'YES!' was the most popular thing in the company. Congrats, smiley face sticker on your booking sheet, bro montanas!

[SammyG]

PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK!!!

[#1-norm-fan]

The But....was for...he DID main event a Mania. As the WWE Champion. And went over. Clean.

Alright... I'm not buying the whole "We can just call whatever match we want a main event and have it be a main event."

The main event is the last match on the card. And even if you do wanna call whatever other matches are on the card the "main event", the last match on the card is the last match for a reason. It is not equal to the others. The point is they wanna end it on a peak. A high note. And there was NO way Punk was gonna do that. He was so far off it would have been ridiculous for him to MAIN EVENT WrestleMania against anyone but Cena, Rock... that's pretty much it.

[#1-norm-fan]

If Punk does go heel/tweener, which is clearly the plan.. Danielson/Punk teaming together will be surreal and, well, awesome

Edit: does anyone else feel this entire angle is WWE's dumbass belated way to turn Bryan face? It only took you 3 months to see 'YES!' was the most popular thing in the company. Congrats, smiley face sticker on your booking sheet, bro montanas!

No. Can't see Bryan turning now.

[jbizness]

The Rock still has the best modern original theme music. HHH's old theme by that Chris Warren Band was immaculate and how Punk got 'Cult of Personality' still amazes me. But you'd be hard pressed to find a theme we all mark out to harder.. 'Real American?' Mideon, Pat Patterson and Brisco came out to that shit too.

[Juan]

Alright... I'm not buying the whole "We can just call whatever match we want a main event and have it be a main event."

You know, the main event as the last match really only became prominent in the PPV era of wrestling. Before that, it was common for the main event to take place in the middle of the show, right before intermission.

In fact, I haven't been to a house show in a few years, but I've been to more than one where the main was in the middle of the show, right before intermission, and the last match on the card was just a regular match.

Anywho, my point is that it's not totally unheard of for the main event not to close the show.

[jbizness]

No. Can't see Bryan turning now.
Not yet, but within the next few PPVs; he obviously works better as a heel. I was with everybody when he was a face and won the title.. bland character development (as usual), horrid angles, etc. But he has such a huge following in recent times, even with attempts at cheap heat. Not many could get Sheamus booed in this company, man.


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[Damndirty]

He has a reason to shit on the fans though: after all he did to help change the WWE for better, they still shit their pants for guys like Rock, Cena, HHH, Lesnar, etc.

Alright, fess up James, we know you well enough to assume you shit your pants when Trips lined Lesnar outta the ring!




P.S.- I did when Taker showed!

[James Steele]

DB's character as a face should be very similar to "Goofy Kurt Angle". Everybody loved Kurt Angle as the loveable dork badass rasslin' machine.

[James Steele]

Alright, fess up James, we know you well enough to assume you shit your pants when Trips lined Lesnar outta the ring!




P.S.- I did when Taker showed!

Did something in my pants, but it wasn't poop...

[Damndirty]

:yes::y: it felt very unavoidable, yes?

[James Steele]

Also, I think DB will be much more successful as a face when he turns because he will be more comfortable on the mic and with his character. I am so happy than Daniel Bryan has been able to get over by simply having awesome matches and organic character development. His heel turn was probably the smoothest character progression I've seen.

[James Steele]

:yes::y: it felt very unavoidable, yes?

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[Damndirty]

I seriously think DB, the Miz, and Ryback are some of the ugliest mofockos in the wrestling biz today, but so far, DB takes the cake as far as having his mug smeared more times than anybody else.

[James Steele]

Am I the only one who thinks Billy Gunn almost stole the show? WWE totally fucked up by not doing some backstage interaction with Billy Gunn and Dolph Ziggler. #MostUnderratedKingOfTheRingEver

[jbizness]

DB's character as a face should be very similar to "Goofy Kurt Angle". Everybody loved Kurt Angle as the loveable dork badass rasslin' machine.
Haha, indeed. It's true, it's true! But isn't that why us dorky ass old wrestling fans appreciate Danielson?

[Damndirty]

Am I the only one who thinks Billy Gunn almost stole the show? WWE totally fucked up by not doing some backstage interaction with Billy Gunn and Dolph Ziggler. #MostUnderratedKingOfTheRingEver

They do seem to have that likeness that Batista and Mason Ryan share, only Gunn looks a little older and I think he's a little bigger than Dolph.

[Juan]

http://www.wwe.com/f/photo/image/2012/07/RAW_1000_Photo_191.jpg

Awesome pic. I'm not The Rock's #1 fan, but I've always thought that the whole "Rock only comes back to put himself over" mindset was bullshit.

I guess it remains to be seen come the Royal Rumble, but this was good to see.

[Damndirty]

Haha, indeed. It's true, it's true! But isn't that why us dorky ass old wrestling fans appreciate Danielson?

I was calling him Goatface before Punk said it! I should sue him for it! Eh.. too much work, I'll just sit back and watch and slam another shot.

[Juan]

#kneestofaces

[James Steele]

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[jbizness]

Am I the only one who thinks Billy Gunn almost stole the show? WWE totally fucked up by not doing some backstage interaction with Billy Gunn and Dolph Ziggler. #MostUnderratedKingOfTheRingEver
Co-signed. DX stole the show entirely. A Gunn/Ziggs promo would've made that show a lot better. I'm just still fucking confused watching this. However, Dolph only gets mic time one time every year and he used it on Jericho

[Damndirty]

Awesome pic. I'm not The Rock's #1 fan, but I've always thought that the whole "Rock only comes back to put himself over" mindset was bullshit.

I guess it remains to be seen come the Royal Rumble, but this was good to see.

I completely do not blame him for not wanting to sell for Cena. That was just those 9 yr old Cena fans on the bloody stinkin period talking when that came up.

[Damndirty]

Co-signed. DX stole the show entirely. A Gunn/Ziggs promo would've made that show a lot better. I'm just still fucking confused watching this. However, Dolph only gets mic time one time every year and he used it on Jericho

Outside of that match, Ziggs really didn't do anything! I as well was bummed.

[jbizness]

I was calling him Goatface before Punk said it! I should sue him for it! Eh.. too much work, I'll just sit back and watch and slam another shot.
:lol: Same boat, buddy! Fuckin Mae Young! Cheers!

[James Steele]

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[James Steele]

I bet "Mr. Ass" regrets talking shit about Triple H in that shoot video now. Luckily for him, Triple H is a man of class, honor, valor, prestige, virtue, and forgiveness.

[Damndirty]

Aw, him and Trips are like brothers- of course they'll talk shit on one another at times, but everybody knows it's just a lil bullshittin here or there.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

James Steele steaming my gimmick.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Re-watching a wrestling segment for the first time in like 6 years. That DX bit was brilliant.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Lol only just noticed X-Pac tried to do his routine jump for the final pyro crotch chop but only got about 2 inches off the ground.

[Cool King]

I don't agree with turning CM Punk heel at all. Basically throwing away all the hard work that they did to make him one of the most over faces in years. No one was even close to "taking over" Cena's spot but him. Now they are back to Cena and Cena alone.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ogyuMkVE1rtqnwco1_1280.jpg

[Hanso Amore]

Oh I forgot.

Remember Bryan's groomsmen?

They were orderlies.

Think if the wwe fans voted Yes Bryan would marry, then commit AJ?

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh I forgot.

Remember Bryan's groomsmen?

They were orderlies.

Think if the wwe fans voted Yes Bryan would marry, then commit AJ?

Noooo. They can't be booking the shows that randomly and spur of the moment.

Can they? :|

[#1-norm-fan]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ogyuMkVE1rtqnwco1_1280.jpg

Sheamus is already getting a lot of Cena "We're sick of you" reactions so if that's what you mean by "Close to taking over Cena's spot..."

[Hanso Amore]

Noooo. They can't be booking the shows that randomly and spur of the moment.

Can they? :|

Not sure if you are being serious or not.

Of Course they can, especially when going with Fan votes.

Honestly with the way Vince loves social media, I wouldnt be surprised if they had 3 plans to close the show depending on how that Rock Royal rumble Vote went.

[Autobahn]

Holy crap - just figured out who Sean Mooney is. Amazing.

Daniel Bryan was phenomenal tonight. Not Billy Gunn phenomenal, but still pretty phenomenal.

[Brigstocke]

Best heel turn since NWO.

[Big Vic]

I also want to know whats up with those orderlies.

====================
I also predict punk to go full on heel at SummerSlam but not until then.

[Hanso Amore]

I dunno - not to be "THAT GUY" but you guys insisting he is "NOT FULL HEEL" are crazy.

Punk certainly turned heel. HE attacked the single most popular wrestler in the WWE. The Rock can show up at any point and have 20 thousand people chanting a new catchphrase he just rolled out. Anyone on the opposite side of the Rock is going to get the heel treatment.

So not only did he drop that attack, he did so after teasing shady tactics against Cena. The Announcers constantly put over that he should "HELP CENA" and not take advantage, which he slowly did. They have also teased him for the last few weeks being bother by not being the man nd being overshadowed by Cena/Lesnar/Rock

He then cheap shots the biggest face in the company (and slowly and methodically hits him with his finisher.) Then he slowly and dickishly leaves the ring without looking at the fans, with a mean scowl on his face, while the announcers say he turned his back on the WWE Universe.

That is a fucking Heel Turn Template.

[Hanso Amore]

Also at the idea that they are "wasting all the build they have done in making him a face for the last 8 months as champ". Meh, Thats garbage.

He goes from the number 2 or 3 face, to the top heel. That is certainly not wasting a build.

Now we have a Heel Punk as champ coming up on one of the longest reigns as champion of all time.

Yet fan boys still find a way to bitch about Punk not being used right.

We might just see Punk/Rock at Summerslam. If not at the Royal Rumble. Punk is going to be in the limelight like never before.

[Big Vic]

I think he is heel, just not Full on heel, I suspect him playing the tweener card next raw until SummerSlam.

[Hanso Amore]

Tweener is such a farcical stance.

He will be going at it with Cena or the Rock. Both Mega faces. He will be the Heel in that feud.

Hence he is a heel.

What would he have had to do to go FULL HEEL? Beat up Zach Gowan?

[Hanso Amore]

Apparently HEEL is like Super Saiyan with different levels and flavors. Punks hair will go blonde when he is full heel.

[Hanso Amore]

What entails being a FULL HEEL as well. This idea entertains me.

[Hanso Amore]

Cant stop thinking of Tropic Thunder

YOU NEVER GO FULL HEEL

[Big Vic]

I had to walk away from my desk because I started laughing.

==============

When someone turns at the end of a show people are left with a lot of questions like "Why?" Kinda of like when HBK Super-Kicked Hogan.

Next week Punk can play off the incident saying he's sick of rock stealing the spot light from the wrestlers in the back. That's not FULL ON HEEL. If he says he is sick of the rock and the people the people in this arena that's FULL ON HEEL. Unprovoked attacks also help deepen the Heel turn.

Most importantly if we see him with a longer beard next week then rest assured he will definetly be going...Full on heel

[Big Vic]

Miz isn't full on heel yet because he still has a tiny beard.

[Hanso Amore]

So you can only be a heel when your motivations are related to the Fans?

Better tell that to all those awesome heels driven by other things.

This is good to know.

So If I walk into a store and start robbing the register, I am not a Full Robber. But once I start robbing all the customer, then i am a full robber.

[Big Vic]

If the fans love him can he really be considered a true antagonist?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

I enjoyed pretty much all of raw, marked out like crazy for almost everything.

[Hanso Amore]

If the fans love him can he really be considered a true antagonist?

Judging by all the boos, I wouldnt say the fans love him. Kind of the intention of the "heel turn".

And are we not truly discussing PRO WRESTLERS as TRUE ANTAGONISTS?

Perhaps my time on the internet is coming to an end. I have no connection to this anymore.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Without wanting to get in the whole tweener/heel debate

It might be a weird move to do this with his DVD coming out. Surely face DVDs sell more?

[Big Vic]

Judging by all the boos, I wouldnt say the fans love him. Kind of the intention of the "heel turn".

And are we not truly discussing PRO WRESTLERS as TRUE ANTAGONISTS?

Perhaps my time on the internet is coming to an end. I have no connection to this anymore.
I believe as soon as his music hits next week he will get cheers.

[JimmyMess]

I just watched finally, it was pretty awesome this whole episode!

[Joesgonnakillyou]

CM Punks reaction will depend on where the next Raw is, if it's in some mid america place he'll get booed out of the building.

BTW, this should be great for Punk.

[Innovator]

Heel Punk with a chip on his shoulder is good stuff.

[Hanso Amore]

Heel Punk with a chip on his shoulder is good stuff.

You mean Not Full Heel Punk.

[Hanso Amore]

CM Punks reaction will depend on where the next Raw is, if it's in some mid america place he'll get booed out of the building.

BTW, this should be great for Punk.

Unless they show what he just did in a clip before hand, or they, you know, watched the show this week.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Unless they show what he just did in a clip before hand, or they, you know, watched the show this week.

I'm not saying he's not full heel here buddy

I'm just saying if it's in Chigaco or New York or Philly, he'll still get a few cheers

[Gertner]

The only bad part of Raw was when they let Bret Hart have the mic so he could bore everybody to tears like only Bret Hart can.

[Big Vic]

Bret: "...themiz"

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.imgur.com/VspVf.gif

Sold it like a champ.

[Lock Jaw]

http://boards.420chan.org/wooo/src/1343110008251.gif

DRAMATIC REVEAL

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-9acx32.gif

Sold it like a champ.

[Volare]

So was there any confirmation that Lita's titty DID pop out? Or did we all mark at a side boob.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Heath Slater should get a Slammy for that sell.

[Jordan]

JBL is so cool to watch when he fast walks to the ring with that APA music... best clothesline ever!

[Jura]

So was there any confirmation that Lita's titty DID pop out? Or did we all mark at a side boob.
I think it's wishful thinking. I don't see anything that indicates her boob popped out.

[Jura]

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[Volare]

With the amount of respect that Punk has for Rock, and knowing that Rock wants another classic match while he's back. I can't help but mark out over the thought of Punk vs Rock.

[Jordan]

Punk vs Rock will be epic, especially if Punk can legit hold the title til January.

[Jura]

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[Jordan]

Rock was fucking awesome on Raw... Big Show is pulling a Kane and just getting better... WWE is good right now... Dolph and Jericho has me excited as well...

[Jura]

What's with Show putting his hand up every time someone punches him?

[Lock Jaw]

If somebody is punching you, would you not try to get your hands up?

[Shadrick]

Alright... I'm not buying the whole "We can just call whatever match we want a main event and have it be a main event."

The main event is the last match on the card. And even if you do wanna call whatever other matches are on the card the "main event", the last match on the card is the last match for a reason. It is not equal to the others. The point is they wanna end it on a peak. A high note. And there was NO way Punk was gonna do that. He was so far off it would have been ridiculous for him to MAIN EVENT WrestleMania against anyone but Cena, Rock... that's pretty much it.

Its unfortunate that "you're not buying it," but its actually common knowledge. Since the roster has gotten larger in the past 15 years and there are more guys up on the card, there have been at least 3 main events at Mania every year. They literally say this every year. Why do you think ring announcers have stopped saying "and now for our main event?"

He. Went into Mania. The WWE champion. And retained. Clean. But whatever, right? Since it didn't go on last, it just wasn't the main event.

[Shadrick]

You know, the main event as the last match really only became prominent in the PPV era of wrestling. Before that, it was common for the main event to take place in the middle of the show, right before intermission.

In fact, I haven't been to a house show in a few years, but I've been to more than one where the main was in the middle of the show, right before intermission, and the last match on the card was just a regular match.

Anywho, my point is that it's not totally unheard of for the main event not to close the show.

All of this.

[Jura]

If somebody is punching you, would you not try to get your hands up?
Apparently not in wrestling.

[#1-norm-fan]

Its unfortunate that "you're not buying it," but its actually common knowledge. Since the roster has gotten larger in the past 15 years and there are more guys up on the card, there have been at least 3 main events at Mania every year. They literally say this every year. Why do you think ring announcers have stopped saying "and now for our main event?"

He. Went into Mania. The WWE champion. And retained. Clean. But whatever, right? Since it didn't go on last, it just wasn't the main event.

Basically it comes down to whatever WWE wants to call a "main event" and people like you can just say "OMG HE MAIN EVENTED CUZ WWE SAID SO".

Bottom line is, as far as card placement, there's no difference between that and the random divas match. Switch the place of those matches and it doesn't matter one bit. Switch the place of the divas match and Rock and Cena... ya know... the actual main event and it's the weirdest fucking thing ever.

That's because THERE'S A REASON it closed the show. Rock and Cena are worthy of a REAL main event, closing out the WrestleMania spot. Punk can't do that. He's not over like that. I don't know how many ways I can put this. Punk is over in comparison to the rest of the regular, full time roster. The rest of the regular full time roster is not remotely over. You can call whatever match on the card a main event you want if it makes you feel better. When it comes to giving that peak though and closing out the show, suddenly one of those "main events" is not even an option... that says something about where it stands with the ACTUAL main event.

[Big Vic]

I agree John Laryngitis is more Over than CM Punk.

[Sepholio]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-9acx32.gif

Sold it like a champ.

Rofl yeah, that might be the best sell EVER.

[#1-norm-fan]

I LOVE Charles Robinson's reactions.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-9acx32.gif

Sold it like a champ.

HBK must have taught him how to do that

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[Triple Naitch]

Lita looked fucking great last night.

[parkmania]

Some random thoughts about the second half of Raw that I just got to watch:

1) Hey Mark, velvet/felt cowls don't slide smoothly over buzzcuts.

2) WWE is about to poop on the "never before and never again" from the Survivor Series 2011 of a tag team of Rock and Cena when they take on the team of Punk and Big Show at Summer Slam/Survivor Series (whichever Rock's filming schedule allows).

3) With Rock facing Punk at Rumble, that means barring a loss/regain of the belt, Punk's title reign will surpass Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan (he ties them today at 248 days). He will also pass Yokozuna, JBL, and Cena (280 days), Ultimate Warrior (293), "Superstar" Billy Graham (296), Diesel (358), Hogan again (364 after WM 5), Savage (371), and Cena again (380 in '06-'07). He'll have 435 days at Royal Rumble. The next person on the list will proabably not be caught - Bob Backlund at 648 days.

4) I don't have any idea how Heath Slater can even regain "jobber to the stars" status based on his streak not paying off with a win last night. The only story I can come up with for him is that someone gets him to reflect and he realizes that the only win he had was against Doink, and that might be a catalyst for a gimmick change where he adds facepaint (and now that I'm thinking about it it's been a while since WWE has had a facepainter - Road Warrior Heidenreich was the last I think).

[Brigstocke]

Slater was magnificent during this run. I kind of hope it carries on a bit now with lower tier guys (Mcintyre, Reks, Hawkins etc beating him and him eventually getting a match against a Big Show or a Kane and winning.

[St. Jimmy]

Show was pretty mediocre except for the Punk heel turn.

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-9acx32.gif

Sold it like a champ.

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[Indifferent Clox]

the definition of antagonist isn't who the fans hate it's who goes against hte protaganist, the antagonist can be a city, or an idea, or a sickness. doesn't have to be someone. it can be ambition like in julius ceaser

[Juan]

Did anyone notice that the old scratch logo wasn't blurred out last night in some of the video packages?

[Lock Jaw]

In regard to WWE using the scratch logo last night, I was told by several sources today that using the logo in flashback sequences is now being approved within the company, so short clips no longer have to be blurred.

Whether that approval will expand to complete matches and other archival footage, I don't know but one source believed the company wanted to come up with a strategy to get rid of the blurring before the planned WWE Network was launched.

[Juan]

I read that, but I was just wondering if anyone had even noticed during the telecast, because I totally missed it.

[Lock Jaw]

In that case, I missed it as well.

[James Steele]

St. Jimmy, please never watch WWE again.

[Brigstocke]

Many thanks to @HeathSlaterOMRB (https://twitter.com/HeathSlaterOMRB) a good talented young man who took a heck of a bump for me last night on @wwe (https://twitter.com/wwe) Raw 1000. Much appreciated!
— John Layfield (@JCLayfield) July 25, 2012 (https://twitter.com/JCLayfield/status/227953484245368832)
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JBL is a classy fellow.

[DaVe]

Yes he is.

In other news, what do others think of the new Raw theme music? At least the part of it that they've played, I love it. Really represents the feel of Monday Night Raw as it should be.

[Corndad]

https://p.twimg.com/AylacJfCQAE_fa4.jpg:large

[Corndad]

Wanted to also give Kudos to whoever made the Opening Video for Raw. Chills the whole way through...

Opening Video For Raw (http://www.wwe.com/videos/the-opening-to-raws-historic-1000th-episode-raw-july-23-2012-26039748)

[St. Jimmy]

Sorry I don't get wood from nostalgia.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Sorry I don't get wood from nostalgia.

Do you ever get wood these days ol' timer?

[Juan]

Do you ever get wood these days ol' timer?

I doubt it. What with the Type II Diabetes, high blood pressure and soaring cholesterol and all.

[jbizness]

Heyzeus christ!! Buttfuck and get it over with!

[MisterLee]

Awesome pic. I'm not The Rock's #1 fan, but I've always thought that the whole "Rock only comes back to put himself over" mindset was bullshit.

I guess it remains to be seen come the Royal Rumble, but this was good to see.

The GTS is by far the stupidest finishing move ever. He should go back to the Pepsi Plunge and piss off HHH

[Juan]

ok

[Ultra Mantis]

Yeah, jumping off the top rope onto your knees up to 5 times a week is definitely a more sensible finish.

[James Steele]

The GTS is by far the stupidest finishing move ever. He should go back to the Pepsi Plunge and piss off HHH

What is so stupid about kneeing a guy in the face while he is falling from 6ft? The move can be cumbersome with larger opponents, but it still looks good 98% of the time. I still think he needs an "out of nowhere" finish like the RKO, Codebreaker, Stunner, etc. I was sort of hoping Punk would have done the Pepsi Plunge when he faced HHH at Night of Champions last year.

[Anybody Thrilla]

For the record, Raw is in Cincinnati, Ohio on Monday. I will be there AND I will be cheering CM Punk. I hope this helps clear everything up.

[Volare]

Such a rebel!

[whiteyford]

The GTS is by far the stupidest finishing move ever.

The Cobra and the Worm say otherwise.

[Brigstocke]

As do the Peoples Elbow and the Tadpole Splash.

[MisterLee]

Ok yall do have a point. But Santino isn't reflected as a legitimate main eventer. And The Rock also has the Rock Bottom. The GTS just takes too long to do and just isn't convincing to me. Of course this is WWE but still. Like James Steele said..an out of nowhere finisher would be dope.

[Lock Jaw]

The GTS just takes too long to do and just isn't convincing to me.

Pepsi Plunge is much more practical then.

[whiteyford]

The move isn't the issue, the set up is, even the AA or pedigree can take forever to hit if that's what they want. He does a need a finisher that he can use on anyone though, GTS on Show or Henry isn't going to happen.

[Jura]

As do the Peoples Elbow and the Tadpole Splash.
Fuck you.

[Poit]

The move isn't the issue, the set up is, even the AA or pedigree can take forever to hit if that's what they want. He does a need a finisher that he can use on anyone though, GTS on Show or Henry isn't going to happen.

Hasn't Punk beaten Show with a flying elbow? And he still has the Anaconda Vise.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think he beat Mark Henry with the flying elbow. I wouldn't mind him adopting it as more of a finisher.

[James Steele]

Punk's kicks are good enough he could go into TAJIRI MODE for an occasional finish.

[James Steele]

WWE should have done a Corporate Ministry reunion with a suprise THE UNION run-in.

[whiteyford]

Hasn't Punk beaten Show with a flying elbow? And he still has the Anaconda Vise.

I think so but 9 times out of 10 its a 2 count at best, doesn't feel like a finisher to me but more of a transition move.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Punk's kicks are good enough he could go into TAJIRI MODE for an occasional finish.

I feel like Punk has won a couple matches via head kick.

[whiteyford]

I think its the same as the diving elbow, he's won a couple of random matches with it but normally it's a two count at best. They do look vicious at times though.