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Drakul
12-15-2004, 03:46 AM
I have found out a cheat for an instant jet pack :D
anyone wanna know it? well i'll post it in black so you can highlight to read :y:

L1, L2, R1, R2, Up, left, right, L1, L2, R1, R2, Up, down, left, right

Hired Hitman
12-15-2004, 10:24 AM
Cheating is for losers :o

Drakul
12-15-2004, 10:42 AM
..and is a good cure for boredom.

el fregadero
12-15-2004, 12:58 PM
Or you could go to the airfield and get it that way.

Drakul
12-16-2004, 01:00 AM
I'll do it this afternoon! *slouches in the chair*

Disturbed316
12-16-2004, 01:57 PM
Just bought both of the soundtracks available, the 2 disc with the dvd and the 8 disc box set with all the music from each station :cool:

VJW
12-16-2004, 11:27 PM
I was doing the ambulance missions in that really small town but unfortunately I ended up running out of time 'cause one of the patients was too fucking far away. I always thought that the patients would only be in the city but I guess I was wrong. I also came close to beating taxi missions but my car flipped over when I had dropped off about 30 people which stinks. They should give you 50 seconds to find another taxi like they do with the cop cars. At least in VC you didn't have to do so many damn drop offs in in a row.

el fregadero
12-16-2004, 11:44 PM
You don't have to do 50 taxi missions in a row, just drop off 50 total passengers.

And do the Paramedic mission in Angel Pine.

Optik
12-17-2004, 03:50 PM
About 90% done with it, but now I got the urge to get the cop and medic suit so I'm ready to go through hell dating to get it.

Just wondering, anybody else get those two suits?

Hired Hitman
12-17-2004, 03:58 PM
Yes, I got every suit and the cop uniform is my favourite :cool:

VJW
12-17-2004, 04:20 PM
Yes, I got every suit and the cop uniform is my favourite :cool:

Do you get away with stuff when you wear it?

Optik
12-17-2004, 04:30 PM
Damn, HH I can't get MSN to start, and I think that glitch with the girls is happening again, can you tell me how you got by it again?

Optik
12-17-2004, 10:50 PM
Yeh, I found it. Thought it was a few pages back, but it was on 54. So yeh, dated Barbara and Katie and got the cop and medic outfits, went back to Denise's only to have that bitch dump me. Whatever, I can get a blue suite from some store, going to do Michelle now...

Hired Hitman
12-17-2004, 11:31 PM
No it's just for show (cop uniform)

Good :y:

Optik
12-18-2004, 03:40 PM
Waited until today for Michelle and got the racing suit pretty quick, I like the dates when she drives. Now, I'm letting the game sit so I can starve myself to date Helena and get those overalls...

Disturbed316
12-18-2004, 04:10 PM
Anyone know why Guns n Roses isn't on the soundtrack? Very strange.

Anyway, I did the Interdiction mission in the end and then found I had to buy the airstrip, which didn't bode well with myself seeing as I had just spent all my money :mad: So I went into Venturas and hit the casino's, made about $10,000 there (although I probably lost just as much) and just mugged aload of people before I managed to get up to $80,000. Took me forever mind you :mad:

el fregadero
12-18-2004, 04:11 PM
FREIGHT MISSIONS

Optik
12-18-2004, 04:29 PM
Yeh, very quick money doing the freight missions. Also, in burgarly, just park in between two houses you can enter, clean out one then go to the other. Soon as you enter the second house, the first house's items are restored, so just keep going back and forth inorder to earn some quick cash.

VJW
12-20-2004, 02:41 AM
I bought the entire soundtrack earlier today for a price cheaper than the one up on Amazon.com which was nice I suppose. Favorite songs are currently: Free bird, I don't give a fuck, 2 tickets to paradise, and that one song that played during the first SA commercial. I do find it odd that they didn't include the Ozzy and Guns N' Roses song in the radio x portion though . . . Aw well, I have the GNR greatest hits album and I don't listen to Ozzy too much so I guess it is not too much of a big deal. I did find the cheetah and comet which completes the second list for importing at the docks in SF. I've already delivered about 50% of the third list's cars.

Hired Hitman
12-20-2004, 09:11 AM
Nice Job :y:

VJW
12-20-2004, 12:36 PM
Thanks. :)

el fregadero
12-21-2004, 12:41 AM
This game makes me angry that Classic Hip-Hop stations don't exist.

Disturbed316
12-21-2004, 04:58 PM
Just did flight school, it was both extremly fun and a pain in the ass at the same time. I hate the way you blow up almost instantly if you hit something in the plane :mad: Still on the first flight mission because of that.

VJW
12-21-2004, 05:03 PM
I'm not a big fan on the mission where you have to blow up a whole bunch of cars at the end of the runway and than some others that are driving away. Kept on crashing into them at first which pissed me off a lot.

Disturbed316
12-21-2004, 05:17 PM
Yeah, I hated that one. My first couple of goes I managed to do it in about 3 minutes, but when I actually done it I did it in about 50 seconds :cool:

Optik
12-21-2004, 06:21 PM
So what % is everyone at?

VJW
12-21-2004, 06:25 PM
So what % is everyone at?

73% last time I checked. I finished all of the robbing missions, 3 out of 4 stadium events, taxi missions, train missions, bike school, and flying school. I'm working on the gang tags. Up to about 45 right now.

Optik
12-22-2004, 12:18 PM
Just hit 95....

Anyone gone to check out the hidden tattoo shop yet?

Disturbed316
12-22-2004, 02:24 PM
Last time I checked I was at 47% :$

Optik
12-22-2004, 03:41 PM
Make sure you don't forget the Mountain challenge and the bmx challenge in the skate park in LS...

Disturbed316
12-23-2004, 01:50 PM
I got fed up with attempting N.O.E, I can make it down to the edge of Angel Pine, but where ever I go from there I'm always above the Visibility Radar and end up getting shot down (:mad: ) so I decided to head into Las Venturas and do some business for Woozie.

His first mission is great, I loved scaring the crap out of that guy. Just did the explosive one aswell as destroying the chips machines. Just about to start Paul's missions.

Also, has anyone else heard CJ sing? I walked out of the Red Dragon Casino and CJ just starting singing a couple of lyrics from a song. Anyone else heard this?

Optik
12-23-2004, 05:50 PM
Yeh, he does it alot...

el fregadero
12-23-2004, 09:31 PM
Warm it up, CJ

Optik
12-24-2004, 12:25 AM
Warm it up Kaine

So anyone gone to the hidden tattoo shop or what?

el fregadero
12-24-2004, 12:31 AM
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Hired Hitman
12-24-2004, 12:48 AM
Hidden Tattoo shop, what a load of crap.

Optik
12-24-2004, 02:32 PM
LOL, not really I'll find the video for you guys...

Optik
12-24-2004, 02:40 PM
Here is the link to the post at gamefaqs which explains everything...

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=36831&topic=18103628

Here is the map to the hidden interior universe...

http://gtadomain.gtagaming.com/hiddeninteriors.html

And finally here is the video on how to get to the hidden tattoo shop...

http://www.edgefiles.com/files/17888.html

All these links are on that first original post at gamefaqs which explains EVERYTHING you need to know, but I highly suggest you watch the video because getting to the hidden tattoo shop is VERY VERY difficult....

Disturbed316
12-24-2004, 03:55 PM
So can you only get those tattoo's from that shop, or can you get them from others?

Optik
12-24-2004, 05:09 PM
Nope, that's the only place to get them...

Only one I really want is the weed leaf on the arm but I can't get there too hard....

Disturbed316
12-24-2004, 06:12 PM
Damn. I wonder who first found out how to get there and how they found it in the first place? :-\

Optik
12-24-2004, 07:26 PM
Still gots me stumped...

Optik
12-24-2004, 07:26 PM
Anyways, have you tried to get their yet?

el fregadero
12-24-2004, 07:32 PM
I haven't even played the game in a week or so.

Optik
12-24-2004, 09:28 PM
I know I'm going to end up not touching it for awhile because my little brother is getting Need For Speed Underground 2 tommorrow and all I really have left in SA is horseshoes and those pictures, both of which I don't see myself doing....

Yo freg, did you atleast check out the video?

RoXer
12-24-2004, 10:46 PM
This intrigued me so much that I decided to try it.

I managed (finally) to fly to the hidden tatto place. I realized there wasn't much there so I just wanted to reach ground level. I take off the jet pack and try to kill myself by using a grenade. When I threw the grenade, I got a one star. Then I hear over the police radio "Suspect last seen at Central Blueberry Springs (or maybe Palms. I don't exactly remember.)" So I check my map for a "Blueberry" place. Except I can't find one.

Any help?

RoXer
12-24-2004, 11:14 PM
NEVERMIND!

Blueberry Acres is in the middle of nowhere. It's just this big farm with no sight of a hidden tatto place.

Hired Hitman
12-24-2004, 11:30 PM
I found the hidden tattoo shop, pretty cool being hidden like that.

The tattoo's aren't that great, however I do like the SA & the god's gift ones.

Optik
12-25-2004, 04:02 PM
The reason it said you were in Blueberry is because the hidden world is actually located around the center of the map...

road doggy dogg
12-25-2004, 05:10 PM
DUDE wtf

Okay, my cousin was having trouble on this one mission, so he brought his memory card over (Christmas dinner and all, so he was coming over anyways), and like, okay. He's on the Madd Dogg mission where you have to catch him from jumping off the building. Simple enough mission, but like Madd Dogg jumps during the cutscene for the mission. So it is like impossible to do the mission since he dies before you even have a chance to get the truck to catch him. Is this some sort of glitch or what? It's kinda annoying because the mission is needed to progress through the game and all, so y'knowwwwwwwww

The Snake
12-25-2004, 05:37 PM
does it say mission failed as he jumps. I don't have the game, but when i searched it apparently theres a spot that appears when you go to kill the truck driver that you have to be at to catch him. Guessing he falls kind of slow?

road doggy dogg
12-25-2004, 05:38 PM
Nah it says mission failed after he lands (and consequently, dies). We tried getting the truck and moving it to the landing spot before doing the mission, but that didn't work. :-\

Disturbed316
12-25-2004, 05:45 PM
I just took out the guy nearest the truck and drove to that point, then just kept in line with the arrow on the ground and moving along where Madd Dog was :-\

Optik
12-26-2004, 12:16 PM
Damn, yeh I read alot of people complaining about that on the gamefaqs board, It seems to only be happening to a small percentage of people playing the game and the only thing I can really think is that it has to be some type of glitch if it doesn't even let you get to the truck...

Anyways, I read about some glitch that if you fly southeast for a certain amount of time more territories pop up. Alot of people confirmed it but I'm going to go give it a shot and let you guys know whats up....

Optik
12-26-2004, 12:35 PM
Holy crap it worked like 15 new territorries popped up, well here is what to do. Grab a plane (I used a Shamal) and fly to the southeast corner of the map for 20 minutes, I used the edge of something to hold the X button down, then find someway to die (drowning, nosedive the plane, anything) then when you reappear at the hospital check your map and yo should be in for a good suprise. The new territorries tend to spawn in northern Los Santos (blueberry, red county, etc) and San Fierro.

-edit-

Well, been playing for awhile and noticed a few things you guys might like to know. The territorries sometimes spawn in weird places which have no people at all, such as the whole country region where Cataline lives is now controlled by the Vagos, Easter Basin naval base is now Balla turf, etc. Anyways, normal places that are transformed into territorries have very few gang member population, which means you're going to have to drive around for awhile before finding enough gang members to provoke a gang war. Also, drug dealers now spawn in these new territorries, however they look different most of them look like bikers...

Optik
12-27-2004, 02:16 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOO NEW GTA!!!!!!!

"Grand Theft Auto 4
Posted by adamcs at 12:25. Category: General

San Andreas has only been on the shelves for a few months, but Rockstar aren't wasting any time and it seems they're already planning the next title in the series.

The domains GrandTheftAuto4.com and GTA4.com have been registered by Sam Houser, president of Rockstar Games.

So the title of the game is definitely Grand Theft Auto 4, and the release will likely be October 2006. No further details have been released, although, the MVC Trade paper believe that Rockstar hinted the location of the next title:

Due for next-gen systems, sources close to the project suggest the team is looking beyond the US for the setting of the next title, with Europe a strong contender.
- MVC"

Link: gtasanan.com
_________

Yes, I tried the websites and they were recently registered. Going to be along time before we here any valuable news about the game but still atleast we know for a fact that they're already working on the next in the series...

el fregadero
12-27-2004, 04:37 PM
Only two years away !

Optik
12-27-2004, 04:46 PM
The countdown begins!

VJW
12-27-2004, 05:07 PM
Something to look forward to. I wonder how big it will be.

el fregadero
12-27-2004, 05:17 PM
Very.

Optik
12-27-2004, 05:19 PM
Im all open for new areas, but I don't think Europe will have the same feeling as these urban cities have. Well, R* knows what they're doing and know how to make a game that sells so I put my trust in them to make another best seller...

Mr. Monday Morning
12-28-2004, 06:25 AM
Been playing for a few days and have just picked up Paul and Maccer from the desert :cool: Done all the missions (except for supply lines :rant::rant::rant: ) - n.o.e. only took me about 5 tries or so :-\ (I went down the coast staying just above the water)

VJW
12-28-2004, 07:59 AM
I think it would be good if they made a game that took place in a place similar to Washington DC since they good involve the president in the storyline. A nice opportunity for Rockstar to make some jokes about Bush like thet did with Shrub in VC. If they go this route than I would not be surprised if they make Shrub the president of the city. Of course, they would make some other cities around the area. They should make different seasons for the game and it would be cool if there were pilot odd jobs where you had to take people to another city on time.

Disturbed316
12-28-2004, 02:11 PM
GTA 4? But how can that be when San Andreas was the 6th game? [/bringing up old arguement]

:shifty:

VJW
12-28-2004, 03:15 PM
GTA 4? But how can that be when San Andreas was the 6th game? [/bringing up old arguement]

:shifty:

It is sort of confusing I suppose but Rockstar does not count SA as the fifth GTA because it does not have that number after it. Too bad whenever I try to explain this to the ignorant fucks at school they will say that I am wrong. Good thing this proves them wrong . . . Ah, well they will probably deny it if I ever bring it up to them.

Disturbed316
12-28-2004, 03:38 PM
Yeah, it really doesn't make any sence, it's just better to call it the new game.

Optik
12-28-2004, 04:35 PM
It's being called GTA4 because Vice City and San Andreas were sort of like build ons in the saga that was GTA3. I guess you can say R* thought of them as expansion packs...

Disturbed316
12-28-2004, 04:44 PM
Still seems strange though, considering that there has been 6 games with the GTA name on them.

I-Hate-You
12-28-2004, 04:57 PM
I'm new to the series, so here's my first question...

As soon as they throw you out of the car, what do you do?

After stealking the bike of course.

Disturbed316
12-28-2004, 05:34 PM
Drive away?

I-Hate-You
12-28-2004, 07:04 PM
I followed got to the CJ thing they were talking about.

Now what?

Optik
12-28-2004, 07:58 PM
Go inside your house then go back outside...

Hollywood Red
12-28-2004, 08:23 PM
:nono:

Let him figure it out for himself otherwise we'll be answering A LOT of questions.

Imagine when he goes on his fist Kill-So-And-So mission.

"This guy's shooting at me, what do I do?"

Optik
12-28-2004, 08:48 PM
Na, at that point he gets ignored, I deal with enough of that over at gamefaqs...

I-Hate-You
12-28-2004, 10:53 PM
:nono:

Let him figure it out for himself otherwise we'll be answering A LOT of questions.

Imagine when he goes on his fist Kill-So-And-So mission.

"This guy's shooting at me, what do I do?"
:roll:

Was that really needed?

All I'm asking for is help for the first thing, and that's it. Surely, one of you can help me out.

Anyway, I was looking at gamefaqs...

Approach the BMX bike with the marker and jump on it with the Triangle button.
Follow the roads leading to the "CJ" marker on the map. When you reach your
destination, you find yourself in the old neighborhood. Enter the red marker to
begin the first true mission.

I've gotten to the house, but I can't find the marker.

el fregadero
12-29-2004, 01:30 AM
I think it's at the house next to CJ's (Sweet's house). I dunno though, haven't done the first mission in a while.

Hollywood Red
12-29-2004, 01:47 AM
:roll:

Was that really needed?

All I'm asking for is help for the first thing, and that's it. Surely, one of you can help me out.

Anyway, I was looking at gamefaqs...

Approach the BMX bike with the marker and jump on it with the Triangle button.
Follow the roads leading to the "CJ" marker on the map. When you reach your
destination, you find yourself in the old neighborhood. Enter the red marker to
begin the first true mission.

I've gotten to the house, but I can't find the marker.You're stupid then and thus my post was not only needed but warranted.
:yes:

VJW
12-29-2004, 10:09 AM
:roll:

Was that really needed?

All I'm asking for is help for the first thing, and that's it. Surely, one of you can help me out.

Anyway, I was looking at gamefaqs...

Approach the BMX bike with the marker and jump on it with the Triangle button.
Follow the roads leading to the "CJ" marker on the map. When you reach your
destination, you find yourself in the old neighborhood. Enter the red marker to
begin the first true mission.

I've gotten to the house, but I can't find the marker.

It is the upside down triangle in front of the house.

Disturbed316
12-29-2004, 01:02 PM
I'm on the Dam and Blast mission and cannot for the life of me get out of the plane when in the air. I fly out towards the marker, press triangle, but nothing happens. What's going on?

VJW
12-29-2004, 01:13 PM
I'm on the Dam and Blast mission and cannot for the life of me get out of the plane when in the air. I fly out towards the marker, press triangle, but nothing happens. What's going on?

It should allow you to jump once you actually fly through it.

Disturbed316
12-29-2004, 01:44 PM
It should allow you to jump once you actually fly through it.

Fly through it? Cant see anything to fly through. Hmm, maybe I need to get abit higher.

Optik
12-29-2004, 02:37 PM
Yeh, you need to get the plane to it's max height to actually get through the corona...

Also, has anyone gone for all gold in the schools yet?

RoXer
12-29-2004, 03:34 PM
Yeah got all gold.


Any new news on the tattoo place?

Optik
12-29-2004, 05:10 PM
I already posted a video how to get there, did you try?

Anways, I can't get gold on the destroy all targets challenge...:mad:

Disturbed316
12-29-2004, 06:11 PM
Got as far as I could on the Heist mission, then had to go back and try and do those mission's for Toreno. Finally did N.O.E on the first go back, I felt so releaved. Died a couple of times on Stoleway one so I'm yet to complete that yet. Am so pleased to get that fucker out of the way.

RoXer
12-29-2004, 07:23 PM
I meant where it is ACTUALLY located, or is it really hidden?

Optik
12-29-2004, 07:43 PM
Its in the hidden interior universe (black hell) watch the video for instructions how to get there...

RoXer
12-30-2004, 10:16 AM
Yes, I know this. I've DLed the video. What I'm asking is has anyone found it on the surface and not in black hell.

Hired Hitman
12-30-2004, 10:26 AM
no. you have to do what the video shows.

Hired Hitman
12-30-2004, 10:38 AM
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/westmoreland/s_287817.html

FFS

What next, blaming DDR for dancing too much, fuck you kids, it's time to take responsibility for your actions.

Disturbed316
12-30-2004, 11:59 AM
the "Grand Theft Auto" series of games is often cited as among the most violent on the market. Soon after the San Andreas version's release, five parent, church and women's groups placed it on their list of "10 worst violent video games."

Fucking bible bashers. And seriously, the kids are fucking morons along with the Capt.

If anyone should be blamed, it should be the kids and thier parents who probably bought them the game for christmas without checking whats it all about.

On a higher note, wearing the infrared goggles is fucking amazing, I felt just like the Preditor :D

brb, gonna go tag some walls and shoot some police chiefs.

Optik
12-30-2004, 12:46 PM
Great excuse, next time I get stopped painting the streets that's going to be my excuse...:roll:

Optik
12-30-2004, 12:50 PM
Also, to anyone who got gold in Burn and Lap in the driving school and Destroy All Targets in Pilot school what was your times, seems like no matter how quick I get them accomplished I still end up with silver...

-edit- F</>UCKKKKKK I felt like playing pool so I go to a bar and somehow the bar glitch hit me...F</>uck I'm so mad rite now...R* left so many damn glitches in this game and I don't even know what caused this one...Also a word of warning on the basketball glitch, It's caused by saving in Mad Doggs mansion so NEVER save there...

F</>UCK YOU R*!!!!

RoXer
12-30-2004, 01:05 PM
If I remeber correctly, you have to get like 1 second before the goal time in order to get gold.

For Destroy All Targets... I got it on my 2nd try. So I never had any difficulty with it. I don't know what my time is exactly.

Optik
12-30-2004, 01:08 PM
If I remeber correctly, you have to get like 1 second before the goal time in order to get gold.

For Destroy All Targets... I got it on my 2nd try. So I never had any difficulty with it. I don't know what my time is exactly.

Na, it cant be only one second because everytime I do it I always get 37 seconds...

RoXer
12-30-2004, 01:18 PM
Lemme check...

RoXer
12-30-2004, 01:21 PM
And for the bar glitch, are you talking about the bartenders always holding their hands up? Good news, it eventually goes away. It did for me.

But there is no hope for the basketball glitch :(

RoXer
12-30-2004, 01:29 PM
Burn and Lap... it just says record score 100%. :-\

Make sure you don't touch a cone when you finish. Or do it faster. :-\ I dunno.

Optik
12-30-2004, 05:40 PM
Yeh, the bartender always has her hands up, people cower, and the guy won't play pool.

Damn, I dunno what to do I never hit a cone and I always hit like 37-38 seconds... :|

Anyways, everyone post their criminal rating as of right now; Boss Hawg 148590

Optik
12-30-2004, 05:58 PM
Just for anyone wondering....

-Complete list of all the rankings

-10000 - -6000 = Crackhead
-5999 - -4000 = Bitch-made
-3999 - -2000 = Off-Brand
-1999 - -500 = Scandalous
-499 - -1 = Player-hater
0 - 19 = Vic
20 - 49 = Square
50 - 74 = Civilian
75 - 99 = Rat
100 - 119 = Snitch
120 - 149 = Dry Snitch
150 - 199 = Transformer
200 - 239 = Punk-ass Bitch
240 - 269 = Sucka
270 - 299 = Poot Butt
300 - 329 = Buster
330 - 369 = Mark
370 - 399 = Chump
400 - 449 = Trick
450 - 499 = Red-headed Stepcild
500 - 549 = Peon
550 - 599 = Pee-Wee
600 - 609 = Prankster
610 - 649 = Fool
650 - 699 = Street Cat
700 - 849 = Thug
850 - 999 = Hustler
1000 - 1049 = Playa Partner
1150 - 1299 = Mack
1300 - 1499 = Pimp
1500 - 1699 = Crime Partner
1700 - 1999 = Homeboy
2000 - 2099 = Homie
2100 - 2299 = Road Dawg
2300 - 2499 = Hoodsta
2500 - 2749 = Hard-ass
2750 - 2999 = Banger
3000 - 3499 = Lil' G
3500 - 3999 = Loc
4000 - 4999 = Jacker
5000 - 7499 = Shooter
7500 - 9999 = Foot Soldier
10000 - 19999 = Hoo-Rider
20000 - 29999 = Soldier
30000 - 39999 = Hawg
40000 - 49999 = Gangsta
50000 - 69999 = Ghetto Star
60000 - 79999 = Monster
80000 - 99999 = Big Homie
100000 - 149999 = Boss Hawg
150000 - 199999 = Shot Caller
200000 - 299999 = OG
300000 - 399999 = High Roller
400000 - 499999 = Four-Star
500000 - 749999 = General
750000 - 999999 = Godfather
1000000 = King of San Andreas


-How to raise your ranking

$5000 = 1 Point
Killing a civilian = 1 Point
Completing a mission = 5 Points
Blowing up a vehicle = 5 Points
Blowing up a helicopter or plane = 30 Points
Getting Busted/Wasted = -3 Points
Using a cheat = -10 Points

el fregadero
12-30-2004, 08:08 PM
How much for killing gang members/cops?

Hired Hitman
12-30-2004, 09:36 PM
10000 - 19999 = Hoo-Rider

That's me. I'm on 19880 or so

Hired Hitman
12-30-2004, 09:41 PM
lets see,
$5000 = 1 Point

Say you bet 1 mil on a number, that pays 35/1 so

35000000 \ 5000 = 7000 points each time you win on roulette :eek:

Optik
12-30-2004, 11:13 PM
How much for killing gang members/cops?

Tried it out and suprisingly I didn't get shit...:wtf:

el fregadero
12-30-2004, 11:37 PM
I remember hearing the numbers don't change until you save it.

Optik
12-31-2004, 12:03 AM
Na, that's not true, try blowing up a helicopter or sometype of car and the points are automatically added...

Hollywood Red
12-31-2004, 12:41 AM
Na, it cant be only one second because everytime I do it I always get 37 seconds...
It seems to be just a hair over 36. I got 36.5 and it wasn't good enough, got... I don't know, 36.25 and it did it.

The trick is to do first person and hold X the whole time, use R1 to slide JUST as the cone passes by you. That way you're turning ASAP and in first person you can straighten out easier.

Hired Hitman
12-31-2004, 03:55 AM
For the burn and lap I think i got 36.45

also I just won a 12/1 odd bet of 9999995 (max bet) at the Inside Track Betting shop, I checked my rating and it went up by 24000 points!

:cool: I am now a gangsta :cool:

VJW
12-31-2004, 09:02 AM
Christ, it pisses me off when GTA gets blamed for shit like this while Driv3r and True Crime walk free. And those stupid church fanatics putting it on their stupid lists when they do a whole bunch of things when people are not looking.

Disturbed316
12-31-2004, 01:58 PM
Yeah, but Driv3r was shit.

VJW
12-31-2004, 03:11 PM
Yeah, but Driv3r was shit.

I actually enjoyed it for a while since I like realistic games. I will admit that I did have problems with driving at first but I got use to it. I do like the fact that the cops have to arrive at a crime scene and see you before you get chased by them. True Crime is a lot worse since it has dragons even though the title is True Crime.

Optik
12-31-2004, 03:31 PM
Yeh, I use R1 to slide quick as hell and usually get 7.5 seconds on every lap, going to have to try it in first person next time around...

Also, Im going to try to get to OG status today, a good place to get your stats up is the area in Area 69 where the Hyrdas and Hunter is located because it seems the AI is too stupid to drive through that side gate to get in after you, so just go there with a large supply of Rockets and have fun...

The reason the GTA series gets blamed for it is because they are the one who kind of brought up the idea of a free roaming world, they had the break out game, and most people consider those games cheap knockoffs. However, I do plan to purschase Fear and Respect when it comes out in late 2005...

Hired Hitman
01-01-2005, 10:22 AM
use brake instead of R1, that is how I done it.

Mr. Monday Morning
01-01-2005, 01:42 PM
lets see,
$5000 = 1 Point

Say you bet 1 mil on a number, that pays 35/1 so

35000000 \ 5000 = 7000 points each time you win on roulette :eek:

I bet my last $79000 or so on a 12/1 horse and it came through :cool:

Optik
01-01-2005, 05:21 PM
For the burn and lap I think i got 36.45

also I just won a 12/1 odd bet of 9999995 (max bet) at the Inside Track Betting shop, I checked my rating and it went up by 24000 points!

:cool: I am now a gangsta :cool:

I'm taking it you meant you won that money?

Hired Hitman
01-01-2005, 08:09 PM
My bet was $9999995 & I won about $119999940 earning me 24 thousand rating points

119999940 / 5000 = 23999.998 points

I-Hate-You
01-02-2005, 01:55 AM
You're stupid then and thus my post was not only needed but warranted.
:yes:
Meh, you're a rude son of a bitch then.

Fuck you.

I found it on my own.

I-Hate-You
01-02-2005, 01:55 AM
Anyway, I've pretty much hijacked everything except for a plane.

Still looking.

Any help?

Hollywood Red
01-02-2005, 01:58 AM
Try an airport. You'll have to hop a fence until you have your license.

Or wait until you learn how to fly and then you can freely take planes.

That's ALL I'm telling you. No one helped me. Half the fun is in figuring shit out.

Optik
01-02-2005, 12:59 PM
Wait, the max bet at the ITB is only 10,000...:|

Hired Hitman
01-02-2005, 07:13 PM
You keep clicking it, fool.

Hired Hitman
01-02-2005, 07:15 PM
Yes, you have to click X 999-times. then click 1000 nine times, then click 25 three times then click 5 four times. and you will have the bet of 9,999,995, it helps if you're playing through the vcr so you can watch tv while you click, or it could get quite boring.

VJW
01-02-2005, 11:01 PM
Anyway, I've pretty much hijacked everything except for a plane.

Still looking.

Any help?

Get a car, line it up against a wall, and jump.

Hired Hitman
01-03-2005, 12:30 AM
It would be cool to hijack a plane in mid air :cool:

Parachutte down and steal a plane :cool:

I-Hate-You
01-03-2005, 01:02 AM
Get a car, line it up against a wall, and jump.
Which wall though?

The fence or the concrete one?

VJW
01-03-2005, 02:42 AM
Which wall though?

The fence or the concrete one?

Either one.

Hired Hitman
01-03-2005, 04:00 AM
use a mule truck or any truck that is tall but you can climb up on (or get a car to stand on to jump on the truck), that would make it easier

VJW
01-03-2005, 07:33 AM
Christ, I just caused the biggest wreck that I've ever seen in San Andreas . . . I drove my favorite and best looking car out of the garage of the house near the free way and drove past the barrier next to the house and patiently drove the sexy car across the road that was disconnecting from the highway when all of a sudden a pick up truck (the big ones, not the bobcat) suddenly slammed into my door and caused me to skid out onto the other road's lane. I quickly backed up to avoid any more damage. I sat in the car for a moment on the field watching dozens of cars slamming into each other, flipping over on each other, and exploding on each other. This lasted for a long time and there was a whole bunch of fire in front of me. Christ, I've never seen any wreck as big as that in SA. The highways are dangerous in Las Ventureas(sp?)!

Optik
01-03-2005, 10:41 PM
Try putting on aggressive traffic and watch it get even more dangerous...

DS
01-04-2005, 12:00 AM
They need working blinkers in the next game. Just put it on a random timer, say out of 100. If it lands between 1 and 75 then the blinker works, if it lands between 75 and 100 they just switch lanes without it. That way the majority of the time I can tell when someone is going to go in my lane and it resembles real world technique.

Hired Hitman
01-04-2005, 12:32 AM
Other drivers smashing up your cars all the time, ds? ;)

I-Hate-You
01-04-2005, 12:33 AM
EDIT - Found it.

Mr. Monday Morning
01-05-2005, 10:21 AM
I'm not gonna go back through 57 pages to see if anyone posted anything about it so...anyone got any tips for hijacking the magnet plane wotsit out of the base in Venturas? I jetpacked up to the landing pad but I got hit with a SAM (even though I'd already ditched the pack :mad: ) and then got shot up since I had no health left :(

Dave Youell
01-05-2005, 10:29 AM
I'm in San Feirro and have yet to visit a betting shop, i need cash, where the fuck is the nearest bookies?

Hired Hitman
01-05-2005, 11:17 AM
as soon as you start the mission, there is a pariot driving out of the base, you could run in when it leaves, or use the J.P. to boost over the fence and land infront of the warehouse then go though with the whole mission instead of being a pussy and trying to get the chopper and go ;)

Disturbed316
01-05-2005, 11:25 AM
I just did it the old fashion way...I shot my way through about 30 guys and helicopters and then stole the thing.

Mr. Monday Morning
01-05-2005, 01:03 PM
as soon as you start the mission, there is a pariot driving out of the base, you could run in when it leaves, or use the J.P. to boost over the fence and land infront of the warehouse then go though with the whole mission instead of being a pussy and trying to get the chopper and go ;)

It's called tactics :foc:

Disturbed316
01-05-2005, 03:10 PM
ROFL Just got the jetpack, it's the greatest thing in the world. Is it only available for pick up from your airport or is it dotted around the place?

Optik
01-05-2005, 04:07 PM
Only at your airstrip. Also you don't need to fly over the fence to reach the chopper, on the southside their is a fence that can be knocked down with a car, just make sure your destroy the SAM's before you take the chopper.

Dave, check the map that came with the game...

Disturbed316
01-05-2005, 04:13 PM
:( Still, it's a great way to get around the place.

VJW
01-05-2005, 07:41 PM
They should've allowed us to keep in in our garages.

Disturbed316
01-06-2005, 04:52 PM
Just bought every property and every piece of clothing I can, I'm looking really pimp now :cool:

ROFL at the sign at the top of the bridge in San Fierro, I love that jetpack.

I-Hate-You
01-07-2005, 01:23 AM
Now, I'm in a contest with latinos, hopping my car.

I fucking can't do this.

I do the right movies, but it says I'm to fast, thus I don't get any money.

I wait till it's in the cricle though.

Disturbed316
01-08-2005, 05:07 PM
Got to the Riot part....holy...shit.

VJW
01-08-2005, 06:39 PM
Now, I'm in a contest with latinos, hopping my car.

I fucking can't do this.

I do the right movies, but it says I'm to fast, thus I don't get any money.

I wait till it's in the cricle though.

Use the music to help you.

Evil Vito
01-08-2005, 07:02 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Haven't played the game in a while.

Gotta get back into it and finish up the Heist/Zero stuff.</font>

Hired Hitman
01-16-2005, 11:47 PM
I just beat the game for a second time today, just as good going through the second time, I even picked up on some things I didn't see, it's like watching a movie twice. :cool:

Joe Kerr
01-16-2005, 11:54 PM
I havent played in awhile it was great at first then a shitload of other games came out kinda distracted me.

VJW
01-19-2005, 12:39 AM
I got into a war with the cops today next to the Wang Cars. Mini gun is awesome even though running is difficult when you're holding it. I shot down a chopper and tried to run away but the explosion left me with about 1 ounce of help and part of the first got on me which caused a painful death. I'm trying to focus on Metal Gear Solid but that game doesn't seem as fun even though it's a nice challenge.

Hired Hitman
02-10-2005, 02:21 AM
*shameless bump*

San Andreas Maps (tags/Photo/Horseshoe etc) (http://hem.bredband.net/708145/)

el fregadero
02-10-2005, 01:01 PM
Played it again last night for the first time this year I believe. I basically just went around and got a bunch of new clothes (I only had like four shirts before) and a bunch of tats.

Got a completely revamped CJ now. :cool:

Hired Hitman
02-10-2005, 09:34 PM
I changed my clothes from leather pants, white tank top, mid-top sneakers, blue tint glasses, silver watch and dog tags to blue jeans, black hoody like he wore in the introduction dvd :cool:

el fregadero
02-10-2005, 11:53 PM
Got the black LL style hat, beard, tats like crazy on the chest/back/arms, silver watch, black adidas pants, and white kicks. Silver bling around the neck, too.

Lookin' wicked awesome.

Hired Hitman
02-11-2005, 02:44 AM
Looking very pimp' :cool:

House of Pancakes
02-11-2005, 09:20 AM
they need to make a grand theft auto that isn't useless after you beat the storyline. sure, there are lots of cool things you can do, but they're so spaced out over an enormous map, and it's annoying going to specific places sometimes. it takes five minutes to get anywhere. cops are harder, so just running around killing people isn't really as fun. and there's so much useless stuff, like doing 10 crappy bulldozer missions and driving school.

Disturbed316
02-11-2005, 09:45 AM
I'm on the last mission, but due to getting X-Men Legends and Shadow of Rome, I have not had a chance to do it :(

Evil Vito
02-12-2005, 10:44 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Damn, this game is friggin awesome and probably the best I've ever played, yet whenever I load up the game I keep finding something else to do and thus never play it, even though I want to. :mad: I need to find new stuff to do in this game. :( Almost makes me wish I didn't blow through story mode in a matter of a month.</font> :o

Hired Hitman
02-12-2005, 08:24 PM
well my idea is not to take over all the gang turf, go out of town then once you lose a good amount, go fight for it... I miss gang wars :(

Evil Vito
02-12-2005, 08:53 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Well I actually played it today, by getting on with the Heist stuff I forgot I had yet to do. I killed Millie and took the security card (can't be bothered to fuck around and gain up relationship points). Then I did the easy Dam mission and the hard 4 cop bikes mission on my first attempts.

Trying to figure out how to beat the one after that though, the military keep blasting my shit in once I sneak into the gate.</font>

Shaggy
02-12-2005, 10:15 PM
I just beat the game the other day...and for some reason I havnt gone back to play it. I guess I should of waited before beating it so that I could do more stuff.

VJW
02-13-2005, 12:04 PM
My CJ is now dressed up as Jason. I got the hockey mask, hiking boots, and jet black suit.

G
02-13-2005, 12:35 PM
Speaking of clothes, I'm trying to find all the clothes that the shirtless black guy with the red pants and red hat has, but cannot find the either. Where are they?

Hired Hitman
02-13-2005, 08:39 PM
The red pants I think are in prolaps and you can't get that red hat, the closest would be a black sun hat from Victim (might be Zip if not Victim.)

G
02-13-2005, 08:48 PM
wtf i want the red hat

VJW
02-13-2005, 09:07 PM
It would be interesting if you could steal peoples' clothes in the next one.

CJ dressed as a prostitute= :drool:

j/k

Hired Hitman
02-13-2005, 09:09 PM
Steal people's shoes :lol:

G
02-13-2005, 09:12 PM
Take his shoes, Take his shoes!

Evil Vito
02-15-2005, 08:07 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Woo just got the Leviathan. :cool:

WTF, can't make the winch show up though, tried everything including circle and down on the right analog stick.</font> :(

el fregadero
02-15-2005, 08:15 PM
Speaking of clothes, I'm trying to find all the clothes that the shirtless black guy with the red pants and red hat has, but cannot find the either. Where are they?
The LL Cool J guy? You can't get his clothes. You can't get alot of the characters clothes actually. Which really made me angry when I couldn't get a Tupac/Ballaz style rag.

DS
02-15-2005, 08:34 PM
/cryaboutit

G
02-15-2005, 08:39 PM
/wouldyoulikefrieswiththat

DS
02-15-2005, 09:57 PM
How dare you!

G
02-15-2005, 09:58 PM
you big peepee head

DS
02-15-2005, 10:01 PM
I would expect something like that from someone else, but not you G. Not you. :(

G
02-15-2005, 10:03 PM
i <3 u

DS
02-15-2005, 10:14 PM
Get a room.

G
02-15-2005, 10:19 PM
Get a job.


Win an internship that gets you ahead of the game, priceless.

Evil Vito
02-15-2005, 10:31 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Woo just got the Leviathan. :cool:

WTF, can't make the winch show up though, tried everything including circle and down on the right analog stick.</font> :(

el fregadero
02-15-2005, 11:29 PM
You only get that for the mission.

Evil Vito
02-16-2005, 06:24 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Well that's certainly pointless then. :|

Was gonna have some fun torturing cars on the highway too</font> :(

Hired Hitman
02-16-2005, 09:59 AM
I did that while on that mission, I picked up otehr cars and flung them into the ocean :D

Evil Vito
02-16-2005, 05:00 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Ugh, I'm trying the casino heist mission. I've pretty much mastered getting through most of it in about 5 minutes, but at the part when I have to parachute, even when I press circle right away I'm not high enough to land on the helipad after slowly gliding over.</font> :mad:

VJW
02-16-2005, 08:30 PM
I had a cool Scarface type battle against that gang that hangs out next to the stadium. I was on the hilly part and trying to take over some territory and I went ontop of this staircase that led to the entrance of a building. It was on a hill so I could see them coming from down the hell and I blasted them with M4s and Shotguns in my suit and sunglasses.

Hired Hitman
02-16-2005, 08:37 PM
I don't think anyone could make it over, you don't have to either, just steal a car and drive to the airstrip

Evil Vito
02-17-2005, 06:26 AM
I don't think anyone could make it over, you don't have to either, just steal a car and drive to the airstrip

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, I figured that out after a few more tries of the mission. I didn't know I had to go to the airstrip, I was thinking it was the top of a building that I'd need to fly to. :o

Anyways, now that the casino heist is done with I still have the Zero missions that I can't be bothered doing, and the steal cars strand (which I still never got a call for)

Might start up a new game just because I wanna play the early missions that I miss.</font> :(

Astley316
02-17-2005, 10:05 AM
I just finnished it, but how do you buy wang cars, still has it as an unpurchasble buliding right now

Hired Hitman
02-17-2005, 11:22 AM
did you pass the driving school? if you have, maybe it's zero's missions... look for something that you haven't done, then that will unlock it (duh)

VJW
02-17-2005, 07:13 PM
I found the Messa which is the only car that I'm having trouble finding but I got into a police chase and it blew up. I hate it when that happens.

Hired Hitman
02-17-2005, 07:24 PM
atleast you know where it is.

VJW
02-17-2005, 08:32 PM
True I guess. Does anbody know where the hell the alpha is?

Hired Hitman
02-18-2005, 12:27 AM
look around the rich peoples' homes. or in random driveways.

Drakul
02-19-2005, 05:09 AM
a lil random GTA spoof humour thingy
humour (www.u.arizona.edu/~mmiles/gta4real.mpg)

Disturbed316
02-19-2005, 04:05 PM
Christ, I'm never going to complete this game. I just bough Def Jam Fight for NY, oh how I love it :'(

Evil Vito
02-20-2005, 10:19 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Well, I've blown through most of driving school, except for that final test. I nearly beat it twice but missed the checkpoint by about 3 seconds.</font> :mad:

VJW
02-20-2005, 11:05 AM
I don't know why but I always found the one where you have to drive around the circle in about 40 seconds more difficult then the last one.

McLegend
02-20-2005, 04:20 PM
I'm sure this question has been asked but how and where do you sign up for the marathon?

el fregadero
02-20-2005, 05:51 PM
You don't sign up for it. There are two of them, but I only remember where one is off the top of my head. You go to Santa Maria Beach on the weekend and go to the beach right next to the western-most pier. There is a pink circle area (the things you walk into to start missions) and that's where you begin. I think you have to have full stamina, too (or it would atleast help alot).

House of Pancakes
02-20-2005, 08:53 PM
has anyone ever seen that kids in the hall skit where a guy runs the marathon in 1990 and it shows him running across the tape for the 1991 marathon?

Hired Hitman
02-20-2005, 10:12 PM
No, but that would be quite funny to see.

VJW
02-21-2005, 12:00 AM
I can't find the Euros. It's the last car I need.

On a better note I think I've finally discovered an easy way to beat the vigilante missions which I've been having trouble with for a long time. I plan to use a police bike with a gang member on the back so that I can take my mind off the cops and focus on the criminal. I tested this once and it was going well until the member got shot off which was surprisingly amusing. I might try using a cop car but that would probably be more difficult overall even though I could have three members since it's slower and it's a bigger target.

Hired Hitman
02-21-2005, 01:49 AM
Look aroudn the casinos... just saying :shifty:

Hired Hitman
02-21-2005, 01:51 AM
the bad thing about using a police car is that your gang members can't all fire backwards, you can fire in a / or \ angle, but they can't fire backwards... well not all of them at the same time.

The Cerebral Assassin
02-21-2005, 06:40 AM
I'm on the final mission and it's a fucking bitch with a porky pig gut and an inflamed cunt.

It's that bad.

VJW
02-21-2005, 11:03 AM
I'm on the final mission and it's a fucking bitch with a porky pig gut and an inflamed cunt.

It's that bad.

What parts are you having trouble on?

VJW
02-21-2005, 07:52 PM
I just beat the vigilante missions in a tank!:D

Hired Hitman
02-21-2005, 08:00 PM
I thought that said "What pants are you having trouble getting on?" :o

VJW
02-21-2005, 08:43 PM
I thought that said "What pants are you having trouble getting on?" :o

lol

600 FUCKING POSTS!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

*everybody stares in shock*

I guess I should wait till 1000 . . .

VJW
02-26-2005, 10:08 PM
I don't think I'll be playing San Andreas for a while. I rented Mercenaries and I think that it might end up being better since I like that there's always something going on. It's cool to demolish any building and to drive a tank. I accidently drove other a building that belonged to the chinese.

Drakul
02-26-2005, 10:11 PM
I think I'll buy Mercineries! :eek:

House of Pancakes
02-27-2005, 08:08 PM
I'm on the final mission and it's a fucking bitch with a porky pig gut and an inflamed cunt.

It's that bad.

do the firetruck missions. you'll be fireproof. makes it much easier.

VJW
02-27-2005, 09:06 PM
do the firetruck missions. you'll be fireproof. makes it much easier.

I should've thought about that while I was doing it. I just finished the fire truck missions and it looks cool when CJ is standing in a fire with a shotgun.

t-man
02-28-2005, 09:47 AM
On Woozi. I never play it. I'll beat it some time next year....

VJW
03-05-2005, 07:53 PM
I just noticed those buried bodies next to the shovel at Catalina's cabin for the 1st time. Kinda creepy during sunrise.

Disturbed316
03-06-2005, 11:08 AM
I still haven't got round to trying the final mission yet :mad:

VJW
03-06-2005, 12:13 PM
You'll get to it eventually.

I was driving one of the trains and I was trying to derail it but what happened was that the locomotive flew toward a hill, slid down the hill, slid across a station's tracks, and finally wiped out about a half a dozen people.

Disturbed316
04-06-2005, 11:02 AM
Just got round to playing the final mission again and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST it was long!

I managed to do the drug lab section in one go, I found killing Big Smoke too easy for some reason. The fire section was abit harder. I had about 30 seconds left to get out the building whilst on the 1st/2nd floor stairwell, luckly I had full amour so I just ran to the exit and made it with about 3 seconds to go.

The driving bit was slightly anoying, the fire bombs didn't help, but they didn't really do much damage. It took me two goes to do this, thank god it let me continue after the drug lab section otherwise I would have just turned it off as I couldn't be bothered to do it again. First time, I got to when the cop was stepping on Sweet's fingers and he fell and died, but on the second time it managed to catch him and after another 5 minutes or so of shooting the cars etc I completed it :)

Gonna go round getting the snap shots and blow loads of money at the casino now :cool:

VJW
04-09-2005, 11:11 PM
I don't know what to dress up like now to be honest. Right now I'm wearing a combat jacket, dog tags, blue jeans, and I have a blonde mohawk. I like the hair but don't like the combat jacket for some reason. Might try wearing a hoodie with urban camo. I'll probably look like the black version of Fido.

Hired Hitman
04-09-2005, 11:48 PM
I wear a black beanie, red tint glasses, dribblers vest, leather pants and mid-top sneakers and also dogtags, he looks so cool :cool:

Disturbed316
04-10-2005, 03:52 PM
For the final couple of missions I dressed up like the guy on the back cover, and kept it so far :-\

VJW
04-10-2005, 03:57 PM
Just changed by hairstyle to cornrows.

Hired Hitman
04-10-2005, 08:01 PM
My character has blonde cornrows :y:

Disturbed316
04-11-2005, 10:12 AM
Same here. It just looks so right.

Disturbed316
04-13-2005, 09:41 AM
God, I'm still seeing things in Los Santos that I never saw when I was doing missions in the area. I have only just seen the East Coast, and that was due to taking over turfs. I've got Santos pretty much all mine around Ganton etc, only a couple of Ballas and Vego teritories left. There are a couple of Ballas parts on the west side, but i'll get to them eventually.

Disturbed316
04-14-2005, 03:43 PM
I now own 98.61% of territories in Los Santos :cool:

deathtrap
04-16-2005, 12:34 PM
My character has a tux now, along with the cornrows.

I don't know, I haven't played it in ages....hasn't got the lasting appeal for me that VC did.

Drakul
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
My CJ has an Afro/moustache and liesure pants and shirt,stop watch,white sneaker,muscles max,1/4 fat,no tats and a bright pink car with nitro/hydrolics.Its actually put his sex appeal to the max :-\

Disturbed316
04-20-2005, 11:03 AM
I changed down to black tank top, black jeans, black trainers :-\

Drakul
04-20-2005, 11:06 PM
Classy! :naughty:

Drakul
04-22-2005, 02:18 AM
I can't be half-assed with the girlfriends cause I have to change my appearance etc.Besides,I never finished denise cos she mysteriously vanished after our 2nd date but still calls my cellphone moaning I dont date her enough and then the lil 'progress with Denise' bar decreases.Anyone got any cheat codes or anything as to how to get the girlfriend rewards without dating the girlfriends?


BTW I found out if you leave CJ alone in a safe house long enough he starts to sing where as outside,if you leave him alone the camera leaves CJ and zooms in on nearby Cop chases or muggings etc,but everyone knew about the outside thing.

Hey I did the grey hell glitch a sec ago (Check gamefaqs about it) and I flew around under the game map etc and I came across what looks like a UFO :wtf:
I took two pics on a cam phone.One of just the UFO and another of cj etc so you can tell its GTA: SA.Theres been people talking about bigfoot etc even though theres no bigfoot in the game (again,check gamefaqs) but R* said there was stuff players still hadn't found.Maybe this is one of them.Just thought I'd share.