Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

[Fignuts]

Affleck's Batman voice is fucking legit.

[alvarado52]

Yeah, that was my initial reaction too...like, arguably the best Batvoice we've heard, next to Keaton.

I should clarify...in movies. Kevin Conroy is still king of kings.

[Disturbed316]

Holy shit!

[Rammsteinmad]

Didn't get me all that excited to be honest. I enjoyed Man of Steel, but with the next Avengers, Star Wars and Ant Man coming out, this film just doesn't really interest me. Especially since we still have to wait another year for its release.

[Rammsteinmad]

I will confess to liking Affleck though, so I'm interested to see him as Batman.

[JimmyMess]

HOLY SHIT.

where did that come from

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Looks miserable

[alvarado52]

I like the concept if they keep that tone the entire film, where people both worship and fear Supes as a god...curious if he starts to actually act like one.

We'll watch it, though yes, not as hyped as I am for Avengers, or Civil War for that matter.

[rad dggy dg]

is Amy Jo Johnson in this one?

[Rammsteinmad]

Just looks the same as everything DC-related these days.

[rad dggy dg]

I think I remember reading the villain in this one was supposed to be Riddler played by Joel McHale

[KIRA]

Affleck's Batman voice is fucking legit.


HOLY SHIT he actually sounds frightening.

Good luck finding it again WB is flagging the hell outta these vids

[KIRA]

https://www.facebook.com/penmerahdotcom/videos/vb.106426632792383/1504899852945047/?type=2&theater

[Kalyx triaD]

Their hand was forced!

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[Lock Jaw]

Still not a fan of the tone of this, but like a big sucker I will still rush out to see it.

[KIRA]

I wonder if all the worship unnerves him like it did in the comics

[Fignuts]

I imagine it does, at first, but maybe he starts to revel in it, if just a little bit, and that's what brings him into conflict with Batman.

SPECULATION

[KIRA]

I imagine it does, at first, but maybe he starts to revel in it, if just a little bit, and that's what brings him into conflict with Batman.

SPECULATION

I'm also guessing batman is still just a rumor in this universe.

[Frank Drebin]

Glad to see that it looks possible they might not be ignoring one of the huge holes I hated in Man of Steel. Tens of thousands of deaths from the Zod encounter....maybe that's part of some of the "False God" anger

[KIRA]

People on facebook already bitching god some people :nono:

[Lock Jaw]

I wonder if all the worship unnerves him like it did in the comics

Mind must be spacing out... remind me of some storylines where he got worshiped?

I can think of the cult that came around after he died and came back, but that pretty much just ended with him saying "Hey yo, don't worship me"

Then there was a filler story about some woman who worshiped him, but it was actually a pretty sweet story for a filler. Might go find this story right now and read it.

Then there was Gog in the Kingdom Come universe....

[KIRA]

Mind must be spacing out... remind me of some storylines where he got worshiped?

I can think of the cult that came around after he died and came back, but that pretty much just ended with him saying "Hey yo, don't worship me"

Then there was a filler story about some woman who worshiped him, but it was actually a pretty sweet story for a filler. Might go find this story right now and read it.

Then there was Gog in the Kingdom Come universe....

There was one I can barely recall where he gets called a god he rejects the idea and thinks that if he had to face god he doesn't like his chances

[Damian Rey]

Trailer looks pretty. Batman looks cool. I'm tempering my excitement. Man of Steel looked great as a trailer but ended being an underwhelming, exhausting feature. We will see.

Looks like it could be fairly interesting, so here's hoping.

[Sixx]

Looks good but the Batman voice is bad again. I'm not really sure what it should sound like, but that growling gets silly really quick.

[loopydate]

Just looks the same as everything DC-related these days.

Yep. More doom and gloom from WB. I'll pick up the bluray, but I can't imagine I'll be rushing to see this in theater.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm a sucker and will still totally go rush to see this despite not being a fan of Snyder and Man of Steel. :'(

[Frank Drebin]

I'm a sucker and will still totally go rush to see this despite not being a fan of Snyder and Man of Steel. :'(

This

[Damian Rey]

I will no doubt go see it. It comes out around my birthday. I just hope Affleck and Batman are done right. Also, Chris Terrio apparently rewrote the original script, and he did write Argo, which was good.

[Malfeitor]

What I'm gathering from all of the negativity is that they don't like the fact that it's 'dark and gritty.'

Yet, if it was the opposite and similar to Marvel, being lighthearted and more comedic, then people would complain that it's just a rip off of Marvel.

So, what would make everyone happy?

[Emperor Smeat]

Didn't see any of the newer Superman films so unsure if those had any gritty vibes but this trailer does give off a nice Dark Knight-like film vibe in tone.

[KIRA]

What I'm gathering from all of the negativity is that they don't like the fact that it's 'dark and gritty.'

Yet, if it was the opposite and similar to Marvel, being lighthearted and more comedic, then people would complain that it's just a rip off of Marvel.

So, what would make everyone happy?

Thats my gripe as well by the same token that people say Typical DC I can say well here we go with the avengers there's gonna be infighting and Robert Downey Jr is gonna drop more clever one lines and do improv at some point.

So I don't get the bitching.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

The Marvel characters are fun. Superman is as boring as it gets.

[Damian Rey]

As long as they're well written, engaging, entertaining films I could not give a shit about the tone. Dark and gritty or light and humorous, I don't care. Just give me 2 plus hours of enjoyable escapism.

[KIRA]

As long as they're well written, engaging, entertaining films I could not give a shit about the tone. Dark and gritty or light and humorous, I don't care. Just give me 2 plus hours of enjoyable escapism.

Exactly

[loopydate]

What I'm gathering from all of the negativity is that they don't like the fact that it's 'dark and gritty.'

Yet, if it was the opposite and similar to Marvel, being lighthearted and more comedic, then people would complain that it's just a rip off of Marvel.

So, what would make everyone happy?

Simply not true, at least not for me. You have Superman, who is the most "super" of the superheroes. He's mom, apple pie, baseball, superhero good time man. He's the ultimate "feel-good" character. He's bright and colorful. Dark and gritty is the exact opposite of Superman. That's why I'm dismissing it. It's SINO (Superman In Name Only).

Now, if they did a Marvel-style jokey joke Batman movie, THAT I would deride as a Marvel rip-off.

[Sixx]

Trying to figure out the plot of this film.

So apparently Superman is now hated and feared, so Batman decides to fuck him up or something?

[KIRA]

Simply not true, at least not for me. You have Superman, who is the most "super" of the superheroes. He's mom, apple pie, baseball, superhero good time man. He's the ultimate "feel-good" character. He's bright and colorful. Dark and gritty is the exact opposite of Superman. That's why I'm dismissing it. It's SINO (Superman In Name Only).

Now, if they did a Marvel-style jokey joke Batman movie, THAT I would deride as a Marvel rip-off.
I remember reading a while back that he'd be more of the Superman we are used to in this one.

[loopydate]

I hope that's true. The trailer seems to indicate otherwise, but if the other trailers are more upbeat, I may come around on this.

[Lock Jaw]

I wish Superman didn't have the slicked back hair....

That video where Cavill did the "ice bucket challenge" and he was in the Superman suit and his hair (post water) wasn't slicked back anymore and he was actually genuinely smiling.... looked good.

[Lock Jaw]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/bfb2dcc898470f420395bd45a35de206/tumblr_naycrkVcDz1sxwyufo2_250.gif

[McLegend]

If it's a good movie than I'm good with the tone.

Also The Batman voice was a little do robotized for me, but whatever.

[McLegend]

Or Lock Jaw, maybe you just like Henry Cavil's smile?

Who can blame you? His smile is dreamy.

[Lock Jaw]

I do like his smile.... so he should use it more in the movie instead of being "slicked back super serious business look" all the time.

[McLegend]

I don't know. I would look pretty serious if Batman were trying to kill me.

[Malfeitor]

Simply not true, at least not for me. You have Superman, who is the most "super" of the superheroes. He's mom, apple pie, baseball, superhero good time man. He's the ultimate "feel-good" character. He's bright and colorful. Dark and gritty is the exact opposite of Superman. That's why I'm dismissing it. It's SINO (Superman In Name Only).

Now, if they did a Marvel-style jokey joke Batman movie, THAT I would deride as a Marvel rip-off.

I can see your point. Granted, what I've been reading have been Facebook/YouTube comments so there's that.

[Disturbed316]

Do people not realise that's not his voice? Yeah, it's a bit deep and growly but it's also a robot/computer voice due to the suit he's wearing

[Kalyx triaD]

Bale's voice was also processed. I don't see what's wrong with that.

[The Destroyer]

Nowhere near to the extent that Affleck's voice is in the trailer though.

[Kalyx triaD]

Good. The less he sounds like Bruce-Affleck the better.

[Damian Rey]

He's also wearing a giant tin can with glowing eyes. Not hard to imagine his normal bat suit voice won't sound like that.

[Requiem]

He's obviously speaking through some sort of modulator. That's not a 'normal' voice. It's definitely not Bruce Wayne talking differently to disguise his voice. He's doing way more than that to disguise his voice. Sounds really similar to Bane's style of voice from DKR.

[Jura]

If it was up to me I'd have a segment devoted entirely to Bruce disguising his voice as Batman with a voice changer and he goes through different voices from a database until it comes to Kevin Conroy's Batman voice and then he stops and says, "this sounds about right" or something along those lines.

[Damian Rey]

Keep dreaming pal.

[Sixx]

If it was up to me I'd have a segment devoted entirely to Bruce disguising his voice as Batman with a voice changer and he goes through different voices from a database until it comes to Kevin Conroy's Batman voice and then he stops and says, "this sounds about right" or something along those lines.

Only if there's also a sexline operator voice in the database.

[KIRA]

He's obviously speaking through some sort of modulator. That's not a 'normal' voice. It's definitely not Bruce Wayne talking differently to disguise his voice. He's doing way more than that to disguise his voice. Sounds really similar to Bane's style of voice from DKR. It's actually a cool and clever idea.

[Jura]

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[Disturbed316]

I'd watch that film.

[KIRA]

The Marvel characters are fun. Superman is as boring as it gets.

I disagree I used to hate superman(till I saw All-Star Superman) but truth be told striped of his powers Clark Kent is an absolute joy to follow in the comics
he becomes vulnerable for a day when he goes all out which I also love.

But why is it that Marvel can make something like Daredevil dark and gloomy and people praise it as the greatest thing ever?

[Malfeitor]

I attended the IMAX trailer premiere and the final scene was epic.

It showed Batman and Superman running at each other and right before they collide it cut to black. The entire theatre went ape shit.

[parkmania]

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[Rammsteinmad]

Batman ft. Superman: Rush to the Justice League :lol:

[Kalyx triaD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDFWkrwVAAAJcmB.jpg:large

[Miotch]

To be fair I think they hit it on the head in that honest teaser. Ant Man does look fucking stupid.

[Rammsteinmad]

Marvel can get away with stupid. :p

And Ant-Man looks fun.

[Simple Fan]

I don't see what was wrong with Man of Steel. Hell I even liked Green Lantern. This should be a bad ass movie.

[Miotch]

you really are just a fan

[Sixx]

https://i.imgflip.com/kg667.gif

[McLegend]

See that's pretty cool.

[Rammsteinmad]

Superman looks funny "running".

[drave]

Batman wins.

[Heyman]

Ya'll better watch this shit before its taken down.

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I think it's too soon for another Batman movie to be perfectly honest (even if it's Batman/Superman).


The Dark Knight trilogies just ended only a few short years ago. I would rather have seen this kind of movie come out around 2019-2020.


For instance, when the original Batman movie series ended in 1997 (Batman and Robin), there was an 8 year gap before 'Batman Begins' hit the screens in 2005.


This Batman/Superman movie will do well at the Box Office, but I think too many people will be comparing this Batman to Christian Bale's version of Batman and I think the movie as a whole risks feeling 'jaded.'






#WayTooSoon

[Kalyx triaD]

I said this a while ago but people would rather a Justice League sooner rather than later, and that need far outweighs seeing a new Batman so soon. The Amazing Spidey series revealed people will certainly get over that and move on (and are ready for a 3rd Spidey).

New Batman. Okay, whatever.

[Damian Rey]

I was initially against the idea, but Snyder's version is so clearly, blatantly different, that I'm on board with Batfleck. By the time this comes out, it'll have been 4 years since TDKRises. I think with all the other comic films, and the buzz surrounding this movie, reintroducing Batman is actually a good idea. DC waiting could be costly for their film universe.

[Lock Jaw]

https://i.imgflip.com/kg667.gif

I assume this is seconds before Superman tears through Batman like tissue paper.

[McLegend]

Hey Superman could be weakened from a Harbinger Nuclear missile that detonated in his face.

You never know.

[Kalyx triaD]

I've been thinking about what makes Batman think he stands a chance myself. There's some mcguffin we haven't heard about yet.

Or that Iron Bat suit is really, really good.

[McLegend]

I'm sure Kryptonite will be involved.

[KIRA]

As much as I like Batman I'm assuming his later scenes after this one are as a bag of blood voiced by Ben Affleck

[Kalyx triaD]

Stuff I'm noticing:

- That rush down is in a different area than the rainy exterior they faced off at in the trailer.
- The fight looks like it's indoors. It's odd thinking about Superman fighting anybody and it stays in doors. A fight with him tends to span across the whole area (in Zod's case, into orbit). Can Batman keep the fight on the ground? I imagine a fight with Superman would be an embarrassing game of keep-a-way.
- More odd, as mentioned, is Superman running toward Batman. Why? Superman seems kinda grounded. Perhaps there is some thing zapping his powers to even things up. Maybe there is kryptonite involved.

OR maybe Superman is being way too sporting and sandbagging so he doesn't completely decimate Batman in a minute.

[slik]

I WONDER IF VICKI VALE WILL BE IN THIS ONE?

[Damian Rey]

I'd assume Batman's confidence comes from having some sort of upper hand that Supes is unaware of.

[alvarado52]

I've been thinking about what makes Batman think he stands a chance myself. There's some mcguffin we haven't heard about yet.

Or that Iron Bat suit is really, really good.

Is this a serious question? The dude has ONE HUGE WEAKNESS....and it's used in almost every instance where someone bests him.

Cmon Kalyx....CMON

[loopydate]

As much as I like Batman I'm assuming his later scenes after this one are as a bag of blood voiced by Ben Affleck

"Kids, in the summer of 2016, I had the idea to fight a god. I want to tell you the story of How I Met The Superhero That Killed Me Dead."

[Kalyx triaD]

Is this a serious question? The dude has ONE HUGE WEAKNESS....and it's used in almost every instance where someone bests him.

Cmon Kalyx....CMON

Kalyx is oblivious to kryptonite. This is a realistic assertion.

[drave]

Is this a serious question? The dude has ONE HUGE WEAKNESS....and it's used in almost every instance where someone bests him.

Cmon ANYONE NOT REALIZING THIS....CMON

And Bruce Wayne has access to the most advanced tech in the world. To think he doesn't implement some badass kryptonite device is beyond ignorant. There is zero logical reason Superman would "run" toward an opponent, especially if he appears to have an "evil" and/or "God Complex" type attitude.

[Damian Rey]

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Best bat suit ever?

[Sixx]

Damn, Affleck looks pretty good.

[Miotch]

The cowl is pretty great. The rest is sorta whatever to me. The bat logo looks off.

[alvarado52]

Where the fuck is his neck?

[Rammsteinmad]

Meh. Looks like all the others.

[KIRA]

Afflecks fucking huge I love it!

[KIRA]

Side-note Oddly enough its wonder Woman I'm the most pumped for

[Damian Rey]

Meh. Looks like all the others.

C'mon. I know you're not too interested in the movie itself (and I can't blame you) but that suit looks nothing like the predecessors.

[Rammsteinmad]

It looks different, but we've already had seven different Bat-suits. I'm past the point of "OMG THAT LOOKS AMAZING HOLY FUCK!!!!!!" and it's more like "yep, he's Batman that's what he looks like".

[Rammsteinmad]

I'm interested to see Affleck in the role though, because I like Ben Affleck.

[Damian Rey]

I can see that second take. I think Affleck is going to do well with whatever he's given. I'm just hoping what he's given is worth a shit. Felt like Cavill got short changed by the MOS script.

[McLegend]

Still prefer the suit from The Dark Knight.

That does look like a suit he would wear in the comics.

[KIRA]

One thing it does look relatively comfortable it looks like its not gonna protect him from shit.

[Emperor Smeat]

Still prefer the suit from The Dark Knight.

That does look like a suit he would wear in the comics.

I also liked the one from the Dark Knight series more.

[Black Widow]

http://i.imgur.com/PjSLb7c.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEKreFsUMAANe3r.jpg

[drave]

Suicide Squad thread is that way -->

[Damian Rey]

Margot Robbie is welcomed in all DC threads.

[Reavant]

Margot Robbie is welcomed in ALL threads.

fixed

[Damian Rey]

Pardon my ignorance

[McLegend]

I love the trailer. Really annoying I have to wait 8 more months for this movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

BvS and Civil War is gonna be a brawl.

[Damian Rey]

Really not that long. Feels like the last year flew by where all we got was bootleg footage from last year's comic con.

I have to admit, the new trailer looks bad fucking ass. The dialogue sounds worlds better than MoS. But.....it's still Zack Snyder and I'm still fighting from having much hope for his movie. I'll hope it turns out mediocre.

[Lock Jaw]

Didn't care for Man of Steel, and don't have huge amounts of faith in Zack Snyder.... but I will rush out to see this like a sucker.

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/robin-71f83.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Guess we'll just skip over to Tim Drake when the time comes.

[Sixx]

You can have some freedom with minor characters and whatnot, but you don't completely change the most iconic characters, period. Lex Luthor as an angry teenager is just wrong.

Still, the movie looks badass.

[The Destroyer]

BvS and Civil War is gonna be a brawl.
They're coming out months apart now, so nope.

[McLegend]

What's up WWII style Batman?

Is that referencing any stories from the comics?

[Sixx]

What's up WWII style Batman?

Is that referencing any stories from the comics?

WWII style?

[Damian Rey]

Think he means desert storm Batman.

Jesse Eisenberg is 31. I'm open to his interpretation. Maybe he sucks, but maybe he's actually really good. Why don't we wait till the movie comes out?

[Damian Rey]

And yeah, even if it's not good, I'll probably see this opening day. Because Batman...

[McLegend]

Yes desert storm works as well.

[Sixx]

I... don't really get what you mean about the war here.

[McLegend]

The guys with "S" on their uniforms fighting Batman who looks to be in some sort military gear.

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't see this 'angry teenager Lex' you constructed and why you criticize it as if you made an apt observation about his character. You said it, nobody agreed with you, and you mentioned it again. Hoping it'll stick? I dunno. You write strange things.

[Sixx]

I don't see this 'angry teenager Lex' you constructed and why you criticize it as if you made an apt observation about his character. You said it, nobody agreed with you, and you mentioned it again. Hoping it'll stick? I dunno. You write strange things.

I make an observation about his appearance and that's all. Why would I need anyone agreeing with me? He looks shit to me and that's my opinion. You speak like every time you say something everybody follows, which is clearly not the case.

[Frank Drebin]

Pfft. Sixx probably doesn't even know Squirrel Girl's origin story.

*gropes female cosplayer*

[Sixx]

Pfft. Sixx probably doesn't even know Squirrel Girls's origin story.

*gropes female cosplayer*

Bitch, you probably don't know Phone Ranger's origin story and that guy's classic.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/1/15776/1415678-phoneranger.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

I make an observation about his appearance and that's all. Why would I need anyone agreeing with me? He looks shit to me and that's my opinion. You speak like every time you say something everybody follows, which is clearly not the case.

You've been making odd comments like you used to years ago. Just seemed like a strange resurgence.

[Damian Rey]

I think Sixx is right to question. Eisenberg is a good actor but he's an odd choice to oppose Superman as his arch nemesis. So I get where he's coming from.

[Frank Drebin]

I will say this: I am a thousand times more interested to see this than I was before.

However, I agree with Sixx about Lex Luthor - JE looks miscast at first blush - and am in a similar boat as Lock Jaw in that since Man of Steel sucked, I'm still not totally on board.

[Wishbone]

So, yeah, I'm pretty much completely out of f$%&s to give regarding DC's movies at this point. I'm sure y'all will enjoy the hell out of this trailer though if it hasn't already been posted that is. Personally I found countless things wrong with this that have pushed me off the fence and into the "not gonna spend money on this" territory. Looks like Michael Bay trying to ape Christopher Nolan honestly.
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[Damian Rey]

Michael Bay couldn't have put together such a well written trailer. I'm no Zack Snyder fan but he's a far better film maker than Bay.

What didn't you like about it, Wishbone?

[Wishbone]

Michael Bay couldn't have put together such a well written trailer. I'm no Zack Snyder fan but he's a far better film maker than Bay.

What didn't you like about it, Wishbone?

The CGI was pretty bad in my opinion, and that took me out of it a lot.

I also don't like a lot of the story implications that seem to be hinted at in the trailer. Batman seems waaaay too dark here. I'm a fan of a darker Batman like what we're currently getting in the comics, but I'm not a fan of the full on 80's "I'm edgy as fuck" Batman that they seem to be going for here.

There's too much revenge motivation going on, and that just isn't Batman to me. This Batman seems even more angsty and pissed off than the Dark Knight Returns Batman that he's based on. I mean it looked like he flat out branded a dude with the Bat-symbol at one point in the trailer. And then we had the original trailer with the "Do you bleed?" line which is completely out of character.

Then we have the problem with Man of Steel Superman being in it, and I absolute hate everything about that version of Superman. He's out of character as hell. He's too emo, and he's smaller than Batman in this which is ridiculous IMHO. Also the line from his mother, "Be their hero, or don't. You don't owe this planet anything" was just awful. That is completely out of character for the Kents. The whole reason Superman is a hero is because his parents raised him to believe that he is obligated to help people thanks to his amazing gifts, yet this version of the Kents has told him to hide his powers, possibly let a school bus of kids die just to hide his powers, and now tells him that if he wants he should just tell the world "fuck you" and walk away. It's like this isn't even Superman anymore.

And Wonder Woman... Oh god Wonder Woman... Physically she's completely wrong for the part. She's a god damn twig. And even if you get past the awful casting there's bound to be story problems. I mean, sure, we don't actually know anything about her yet from just the trailers, but if they couldn't even get Batman and Superman right then I honestly have no faith in them getting Wonder Woman right.

Finally I just hate how much of a cluster fuck this movies turning out to be. They're doing the second movie in their universe and they're already pulling the "Avengers card". It's too soon to be cramming this much into one movie. We're getting characters we've never seen before just popping up. There's no way they can fit character development for all of them into one movie, even if it's three hours. This should have been Batman vs Superman only. Having the others is just stupid. And now it looks like we may even see more than one villain. They're setting themselves up for disaster here.

Anyway those are just my thoughts. Sorry for the ranty essay style post. If you actually read the whole thing thanks! lol

[Kalyx triaD]

"Batman is way too dark here."

[McLegend]

Gotham and Metropolis are next to each other. It's like San Francisco and Oakland.

[Damian Rey]

The CGI was pretty bad in my opinion, and that took me out of it a lot.

I also don't like a lot of the story implications that seem to be hinted at in the trailer. Batman seems waaaay too dark here. I'm a fan of a darker Batman like what we're currently getting in the comics, but I'm not a fan of the full on 80's "I'm edgy as fuck" Batman that they seem to be going for here.

There's too much revenge motivation going on, and that just isn't Batman to me. This Batman seems even more angsty and pissed off than the Dark Knight Returns Batman that he's based on. I mean it looked like he flat out branded a dude with the Bat-symbol at one point in the trailer. And then we had the original trailer with the "Do you bleed?" line which is completely out of character.

Then we have the problem with Man of Steel Superman being in it, and I absolute hate everything about that version of Superman. He's out of character as hell. He's too emo, and he's smaller than Batman in this which is ridiculous IMHO. Also the line from his mother, "Be their hero, or don't. You don't owe this planet anything" was just awful. That is completely out of character for the Kents. The whole reason Superman is a hero is because his parents raised him to believe that he is obligated to help people thanks to his amazing gifts, yet this version of the Kents has told him to hide his powers, possibly let a school bus of kids die just to hide his powers, and now tells him that if he wants he should just tell the world "fuck you" and walk away. It's like this isn't even Superman anymore.

And Wonder Woman... Oh god Wonder Woman... Physically she's completely wrong for the part. She's a god damn twig. And even if you get past the awful casting there's bound to be story problems. I mean, sure, we don't actually know anything about her yet from just the trailers, but if they couldn't even get Batman and Superman right then I honestly have no faith in them getting Wonder Woman right.

Finally I just hate how much of a cluster fuck this movies turning out to be. They're doing the second movie in their universe and they're already pulling the "Avengers card". It's too soon to be cramming this much into one movie. We're getting characters we've never seen before just popping up. There's no way they can fit character development for all of them into one movie, even if it's three hours. This should have been Batman vs Superman only. Having the others is just stupid. And now it looks like we may even see more than one villain. They're setting themselves up for disaster here.

Anyway those are just my thoughts. Sorry for the ranty essay style post. If you actually read the whole thing thanks! lol

I read it. And for the most part I very much see where you're coming from and you make a compelling argument. Truth be told I'm not really up on Superman's character and I haven't read anything on him, so as far as Snyder's interpretation, I'm open to it, though I wasn't a fan of MoS.

In terms of Batman, I'm not so tied to the comics that I can't accept or be open to a different take. Really, the only thing I really care about is if the movie is good.

I think your comment about over stuffing the movie with characters is spot fucking on, btw. That's my biggest concern to this point.

[Sixx]

I had no idea Flash was supposed to be in this.

[Wishbone]

I read it. And for the most part I very much see where you're coming from and you make a compelling argument. Truth be told I'm not really up on Superman's character and I haven't read anything on him, so as far as Snyder's interpretation, I'm open to it, though I wasn't a fan of MoS.

In terms of Batman, I'm not so tied to the comics that I can't accept or be open to a different take. Really, the only thing I really care about is if the movie is good.

I think your comment about over stuffing the movie with characters is spot fucking on, btw. That's my biggest concern to this point.

Yeah, I think the general public will be fine with the changes, and I fully expect this movie to do extremely well at the box office. It's just not for me. I know the Batman and Superman I both grew up with and like seeing today, and these aren't them. I'll probably pick the movie up when it becomes available for rental, or maybe at the dollar theater. Not something I'd spend 12 bucks on a ticket and another 20 on snacks for though.

As for the "too many characters" thing, well, I think it just boils down to greed and no real appreciation for the characters or where they come from. Warner Brothers is just looking for a quick buck by replicating what Marvel did as quickly as possible. With Marvel you can see that the people involved are having fun, and that they often have love or at the very least respect for the source material. With Warner Brothers though,
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[Damian Rey]

Agreed. Wish they'd take their time but they drug their asses for so long they're know in a corner where Marvel is making heaps of money and all they've managed in that time is MoS. They could've easily released two other movies establishing their universe started in MoS instead of waiting for this film to do it.

Oh well. Like I said,I'm open to giving it a shot. Bringing in a decent writer to rewrite David Goyer's script was a good sign, and I've enjoyed pretty much everything they've released to this point. I'm just hoping it's a decent film.

[Wishbone]

"Batman is way too dark here."

Batman is not the Punisher. He's not Wolverine. Branding people with Bat-symbols and acting like a "badass" by threatening a literal god face to face with "You will bleed" is not Batman. Let me guess, you probably think Dark Knight Returns is one of the best Batman stories ever, and think Nolan's films are the greatest comic book movies of all time, right? Batman's villains are best when they're totally dark and twisted, yes, but Batman himself is best when he refuses to stoop to their level and beats them anyway. Batman doesn't kill or even aim to maim someone for life unless it's absolutely necessary. Hell, he's the guy that would put a psycho like the Joker in a mental institute for help rather than killing him and "avenging" the hundred's he's killed.

[Sixx]

Batman murdered hundreds back when he was goofy, not gritty, in the 50s or so. Hell, he murdered Joker in the very first issue Joker showed up. They just brought him back, cause they decided he'd make for a good recurring villain.

[Wishbone]

Agreed. Wish they'd take their time but they drug their asses for so long they're know in a corner where Marvel is making heaps of money and all they've managed in that time is MoS. They could've easily released two other movies establishing their universe started in MoS instead of waiting for this film to do it.

Oh well. Like I said,I'm open to giving it a shot. Bringing in a decent writer to rewrite David Goyer's script was a good sign, and I've enjoyed pretty much everything they've released to this point. I'm just hoping it's a decent film.

If this one proves me wrong and turns out to be a great movie I'll definitely give DC another chance. In fact I pray I'm wrong because I personally love DC's characters and universe.

It'd be so great if this and Suicide Squad blew away my expectations. If they do then maybe we might get to see more of Harley Quinn, and maybe even a Red Hood movie down the line. Oh, and I'd kill for an actually decent Hellblazer movie.

[Wishbone]

Batman murdered hundreds back when he was goofy, not gritty, in the 50s or so. Hell, he murdered Joker in the very first issue Joker showed up. They just brought him back, cause they decided he'd make for a good recurring villain.

The very first issue the Joker appeared in was during the golden age. Long before Batman became "goofy". In fact Joker's first appearance had him as a very dark character that murdered people.

It wasn't until the silver age that we got the campy Batman stuff, and that was decades later. It's also worth noting that the golden age isn't even connected to the current continuity, or even the continuity any of us on this forum could have grown up with (seeing as it was back in the 30's and 40's).

During that time Batman killed plenty of people. He also fought Nazis, as did Superman. None of that is canon to the characters anymore. In fact DC even went so far as to establish the golden age as a completely different universe during the silver age effectively making golden age Batman a completely different character than the one we know.

[Sixx]

Huh. The more you know I guess.

The panels I read made him look goofy. Then again I'm not big on DC, so what do I know?

[Kalyx triaD]

Branding people with Bat-symbols and acting like a "badass" by threatening a literal god face to face with "You will bleed" is not Batman.

lol That is totally Batman. It doesn't matter if he could make a god bleed, it's very concept of the gesture. Be it Superman or Darksied or Thanos himself; they have to wonder, "Wow, who does this guy think he is?"

He's the God Damned Batman. he gets in your head. He makes you wonder. That's the point. He once got Darkseid to relinquish control of Supergirl on a hilariously risky bluff. Was Bruce going to actually destroy Apokalypes for Supergirl? We'll never know. But the Dark One didn't wanna see if the crazy guy in a batsuit was serious. That's Batman.

And the branding thing? I'm gonna assume Bruce's rationale was, "He'll live." In fact he's lucky he didn't break the other one. "The other wha-"

*SNAP*

That's Batman.

Let me guess, you probably think Dark Knight Returns is one of the best Batman stories ever, and think Nolan's films are the greatest comic book movies of all time, right?

No to both. And like so many others who ask loaded questions the next few lines work off the false premise, right?

Batman's villains are best when they're totally dark and twisted, yes, but Batman himself is best when he refuses to stoop to their level and beats them anyway.

You are LUCKY if Batman's rogues gallery leaves you with a burn and verbal threats. Batflek has done nothing seen so far that stoops to their level. What are you on about?

Batman doesn't kill or even aim to maim someone for life unless it's absolutely necessary.

He's killed nobody in this trailer. Batkeaton took a few lives and Batbale invoked a ridiculous loophole on Ras, but Batflek has shown no sign of this. In fact we see him narrowly dodge a full blown heat vision kill shot from Supes.

Hell, he's the guy that would put a psycho like the Joker in a mental institute for help rather than killing him and "avenging" the hundred's he's killed.

What are you talking about? Obviously Batflek put Joker away at some point rather than kill him, even after the apparent death of a Robin. Is there some footage of a killing machine Batflek that we haven't seen yet?

[Wishbone]

Huh. The more you know I guess.

The panels I read made him look goofy. Then again I'm not big on DC, so what do I know?

Yeah, golden age comics looked goofy as hell even when they tried to be serious. There's a panel I saw a while back where a dude is dying in agony and the whole thing looks funny as hell. :lol:

[Wishbone]

In response to Kalyx, I never said that Batflek killed anyone. You just keep making it sound like he should be cold blooded and dark enough to do it, which he shouldn't.

As for the other movie Batman's, yes, they did do all that, and I dislike them for it. I was never a big fan of the 90's Batman movies. Even the first one was just "alright" IMO. And Nolan's films were barely Batman movies at all. Sure they were good films, but you could easily have taken out anything Batman related and just made it a generic vigilante storyline without losing anything.

You also quote the Arkham games here which I feel the same way about as the Nolan films. They're fun games, but they're really not as great as everyone makes them out to be. They always try way too hard to seem dark and gritty to the point it feels completely forced. Hell, I've never even played one to completion cause I just lose interest.

Outside animation I don't think anyone's ever gotten Batman right truthfully, but honestly I think that goes for most of DC's stuff. Their universe and style just lends itself better to comics and animation than it does to live action.

[Kalyx triaD]

In response to Kalyx, I never said that Batflek killed anyone. You just keep making it sound like he should be cold blooded and dark enough to do it, which he shouldn't.

lol wut?

Sorry if I sound like that but trust that I believe The Batman should not kill people.

And Nolan's films were barely Batman movies at all. Sure they were good films, but you could easily have taken out anything Batman related and just made it a generic vigilante storyline without losing anything.

True. Very few people recognize that they were good films rather than especially good Batman films. The Nolan trilogy, particularly TDK, are arguably better 'films', but the MCU has a ton of better 'superhero movies'. Glad you noticed that, really.

You also quote the Arkham games here which I feel the same way about as the Nolan films. They're fun games, but they're really not as great as everyone makes them out to be. They always try way too hard to seem dark and gritty to the point it feels completely forced. Hell, I've never even played one to completion cause I just lose interest.

I agree partly on the try-hard nature of the violence and themes, but you're gonna have a hard time finding a better superhero game. Few games merge the core of the hero with gameplay.

Outside animation I don't think anyone's ever gotten Batman right truthfully, but honestly I think that goes for most of DC's stuff. Their universe and style just lends itself better to comics and animation than it does to live action.

No reason not to go for it. The DC movies could lighten up a bit. Scarcrow's first dialogue with Batman in 'Begins can be attributed to the entire DCCU.

[alvarado52]

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms

[Wishbone]

Yeah, I'd like to see DC lighten up a little. At least with Superman. They're trying way to hard to be dark and it's getting annoying. There's a time and place for everything, and a Superman movie is not the place for it. I have no problem with all the action in MoS like many do. In fact I loved that part of the movie. What I didn't like was all the inner turmoil drama they shoehorned in. It's Superman vs Zod for Christ's sake lol. If Superman were fighting a less powerful villain, sure, I'd buy them needed more inner demon stuff to make it seem like Superman was in trouble, but when you've got what is essentially "evil Superman" you don't need that. The movie would have been far better if it was just about Superman trying to save the day.

And, yeah, I'll agree that there aren't many better Superhero games out there than the Arkham games. They're definitely fun games to play. I just don't feel like they capture the essence of Batman is all. In fact I'd argue that the only Superhero game that I thought was better was probably Spider-Man 2. That game was the shit. I also rather liked Hulk: Ultimate Destruction. But, yeah, outside those there aren't many good Superhero games honestly.

[Kalyx triaD]

Spider-Man 2 is the greatest superhero game ever made and I hate Activision for not even attempting to evolve what they had there.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 emulated the core gameplay but by then it just feels archaic and derivative. Just imagine Spider-Man 2 evolving the way GTA evolved. It probably would have become a Marvel Universe thing.

[Wishbone]

Spider-Man 2 is the greatest superhero game ever made and I hate Activision for not even attempting to evolve what they had there.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 emulated the core gameplay but by then it just feels archaic and derivative. Just imagine Spider-Man 2 evolving the way GTA evolved. It probably would have become a Marvel Universe thing.

Dude, that would have been the greatest thing in the history of ever.

[Damian Rey]

See, I disagree with the idea that the Nolan films aren't good Batman films. I don't think taking away Batman and putting some other character in there would still make the movies work. They were great films about how Nolan perceived the idea of Batman, and great films overall.

I guess this is where I differ from some comic fans. I appreciate a serious, character driven approach to Superman and initially liked the idea of how he came to be. MoS dropped the ball ultimately, but I'm always more interested in the characters themselves than what they're actually doing.

And like I've said before, I'm not tied to the comics to that extent. To me, if the film is good, if the characters are well developed and represented respectfully, even if the creative team took some liberties or tried to delve into the characters by going in a different direction, than I'm all for it.

That's partly why I'm some what burned out on Marvel. Feel like all their movies look, sound and are shot the same way. Just thinking about them now, there's no discernable difference in how I remember the look and feel of one movie to the other.

With Nolan, his films are completely different than any comic film before or after. They have an immediate,recognizable look and feel. Even MoS is different in that way. I know DC has been knocked before about being "too dark", but I do not see any connection in how Nolan produced his films and how MoS and now Dawn of Justice are being shot. You see Zack Snyder, for better or for worse, written all over this movie. Feels like you could just let the director go uncredited in the Marvel films, or credit the same guy for every one, and it would go unnoticed.

I applaud that DC is trying to separate itself and its properties from Marvel by being completely different. Whether or not it's going to work has yet to be seen. But I'm happy too see it play out.

End random all over the place Noid post.

[Kalyx triaD]

The key takeaway here is you're arguing from a casual perspective, while me and Wish are arguing from the comic fans' perspective. I personally believe Marvel's approach is more tonally honest, and shows more respect to the fanbase that supported these characters. The movies are already 'nerfed' for the mainstream by default, so when something like Spidey 2 and Avengers comes along jumping out of the page we lean toward those.

I love the Nolan trilogy but the tone really isn't for every hero (especially big blue). Don't force a dichotomy between MCU's tone and characterization. Tony Stark as of Iron Man 3 is every bit as compelling as Batbale.

[Damian Rey]

Except the catch is I love the comics and I understand where you guys are coming from. I'm not some casual Batman guy. I absolutely love the character, and felt, as a fan of that character, from the books, that Nolan hit it out of the park as much as one could while being completely creative with it. I agree the Superman should be different in terms of his development but he can be serious but might hearted at the same time. Doesn't have to be either or. Maybe they make that a point in this film. Maybe Clark is now a more content, light hearted hero where Bruce is the darker side of life.

And no, Stark is nowhere near as compelling from a character arc standpoint. There's no loss or consequence for him or his actions. His weapons are sold to bad guys. He stops that. His idea is hijacked by bad guys. Be stops that. A guy be left hanging seeks revenge and tries to punish Pepper only to have Pepper be his demise, and Tony goes on happily ever after without any real loss or consequence to anything he did. They're not the same.

And they don't have to be. When Iron Man and Marvel in general started their run, I was all for it. It was different, it was new, the characters were new and refreshing. Then 2015 happened and it's just not the same. Every movie, imo, looks the same. Feels the same. Sounds the same. They, for the most part, lack compelling, convincing villains. And Marvel has made it a point to do this. And that's all fine and dandy. I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do these films and I don't think DC is better for being dark or Marvel is better for consistent and trying to fit everything in their expanded universe.

In fact,Marvel deserves a lot of praise for building what they have seemingly out of nowhere to start and for consistently producing quality movies pretty much year long without hitting one stinker. Their "worst" film might've been Hulk and that's not a bad movie. I'm just feeling burned on them because they've literally dominated the cinemas and at this point my pallet would like something a little different. That still doesn't mean that either one is better than the other.

[Kalyx triaD]

And no, Stark is nowhere near as compelling from a character arc standpoint. There's no loss or consequence for him or his actions. His weapons are sold to bad guys. He stops that. His idea is hijacked by bad guys. Be stops that. A guy be left hanging seeks revenge and tries to punish Pepper only to have Pepper be his demise, and Tony goes on happily ever after without any real loss or consequence to anything he did. They're not the same.

Here's the flaw in simplifying a story to dismiss an argument:

"So like, his parent get killed like millions of other orphans but he's special so he becomes some vigilante. He has money to make a suit and weapons and a cool car. He beats up crazy people but he doesn't kill, except he let's his mentor die for reasons. Then a clown comes along and ruins any chance of a social life and he retires. Then a terrorists comes along and he comes out of retirement. He gets thrown in a hole, he climbs out, beats the other guy. Fakes his death and gives his stuff to a cop. Eh."

You see, it's disingenuous to the narrative and can be done to literally anything. I can present the best movies ever in such a fashion.

[Damian Rey]

I agree you can. Which is why I outlined why. Like I said, there's no consequence for Stark for any of his actions, nor is there any real feeling of loss. He never hit rock bottom and at the end of the day nothing changes for him outside initial development into Iron Man. In the first one, yes, very compelling in par with, to an extent, what we see in Begins. And even then, it wasn't the same.

It's not knock on the character. Marvel could've gone a similar route buy they chose not to and it really didn't matter at the end of day because the films are still solid and the character is still popular.

[Kalyx triaD]

When you're telling a series of stories (the MCU is a movie series) you simply do not have the freedom to make the kind of consequences you would with a standalone trilogy. It would be like killing Mulder in X-Files eps. 7.

[Kalyx triaD]

Also, there's been growth with the MCU characters, but more in the sense of a serialized show (again like X-Files). Stark in 'season one' is not the Stark of 'season two'.

[Damian Rey]

That is true and that's what I meant by going a different direction. Nonetheless, there could still be dire and permanent consequences to Stark but there isn't. And again, nothing wrong with that. It's not like the movies are boring or shit. They're still good. They're just not driven in that sense. Marvel has built their universe in a way completely different and identifiable from D.C., which is great.

Let's get back to the topic, damn it. Wishbone mentioned this seemingly viscous, vile characterizing of Batman. Am I correct I remembering Batman being written to be more mean and menacing after Jason Todd's death, so much to a point that Tim Drake felt Batman needed the balance having a Robin provided? Todd was blown up when I was like, 5 maybe. No way I would've been old to enough or have the means to follow the stories like I do now.

[Lock Jaw]

All I hope is that we see at least some of Clark Kent doing the whole secret identity thing. Was an element that Zack Snyder just didn't touch, and part of me thinks this whole thing with putting all these other people into the Superman sequel is just so he can continue to not put any effort into/ignore Superman's secret identity.

[Damian Rey]

Well Clark does seem intent on investigating the Batman and is scolded by Perry White, so maybe we're in luck. Still hate that Lois already knows who he is. Ruins the whole fucking dynamic of their relationship. They could've saved her finding out for some epic moment, like dying. Instead they just blew it an hour into MoS.

[Kalyx triaD]

Henry Cavill pretty much stated outright that this is more Justice League/Wonder Woman/The Batman prequel than a Superman sequel.

It does seem that we'll see some Clark. He seems to have beef with his boss over a Batman hitpiece, which is kinda hilarious.

[Damian Rey]

It's funny to me that, in the trailer, that scene is all epic and dramatic but when we actually see it, it probably won't be anywhere near that heavy.

[Fignuts]

Agree with wishbone on the branding. Not really batman's style. But the "Do you bleed comment?" is typical Batman bluster that he's had for years.

Doesn't bother me either way, because I'm open to Zack Snyder's interpretations of these characters. We've already seen movies of these characters taken directly from the comics. I'm ready for something different this time, which is why I guess I enjoyed Man of Steel more than most people.

I basically look at these movies like Elseworlds tales.

[Wishbone]

Agree with wishbone on the branding. Not really batman's style. But the "Do you bleed comment?" is typical Batman bluster that he's had for years.

Doesn't bother me either way, because I'm open to Zack Snyder's interpretations of these characters. We've already seen movies of these characters taken directly from the comics. I'm ready for something different this time, which is why I guess I enjoyed Man of Steel more than most people.

I basically look at these movies like Elseworlds tales.

True, in retrospect I may have exaggerated on the "Do you bleed" line. That one is pretty Batmanish. I think the other stuff just got to me to the point I was reaching for other things to add to my rant lol.

Regardless I can't get behind these movies. Too much wrong, and too much that I just don't like. I suppose that's the beauty of movies though. If you don't want to have to watch it you don't have to buy a ticket. :)

I'm just gonna pretend this period in DC's history never happened. Maybe if I Bo-lieve hard enough it'll come true, or at the very least I'll just go into denial and think in 10 years when they reboot again that we just got out of a massive DC drought or something. :lol:

[Damian Rey]

I thought it was odd when you included that line in your reasoning. Feels like it's spot on. We shall see. I hope it's good, because DC needs it to be. MoS was not as good as any Marvel film except maybe the recent Hulk, and going all in on a universe of mediocre or worse movies isn't gonna do them any good.

[Damian Rey]

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Official Desert Storm Batman photo released.

Also, there were rumors stating that Affleck and Geoff Johns had signed on to co write a new Batman script that's already near finished with Affleck starring and directing.

[Kalyx triaD]

That's no rumor. It's happening.

[Damian Rey]

Well excuse me. What's the feeling on Johns as a writer?

[Kalyx triaD]

Johns has a good handling of getting superheroes to work in other media. His name is attached to good shit and some of the best Smallville events. But for me, the big takeaway is Affleck co-writing and directing. I was on board the second he was announced because I knew we were dealing with a guy who knows his shit, rather than the crash-course most actors need when they take a role. He's as good a draft as Ryan Reynolds is for Deadpool. Or RDJ for Stark. It makes sense the more you think about it.

[GD]

I can't trust "Zack Snyder".

[Kalyx triaD]

He's alright.

[Damian Rey]

Barely. He's never had one consensus, great film. Just a few mediocre efforts with some duds sprinkled in.

[Sixx]

300 was dumb but fuckin' awesome. His Dawn of the Dead remake was great. I loved his Watchmen movie.

I think he's a solid director.

[Wishbone]

300 was dumb but fuckin' awesome. His Dawn of the Dead remake was great. I loved his Watchmen movie.

I think he's a solid director.

300 was a decent time waster, and his Dawn of the Dead was pretty good. Hated Watchmen though. Although I hated the Watchmen graphic novel too so that one was pretty much DOA for me anyway.

[Fignuts]

Loved Watchmen. Could not for the life of me understand the hate it got.

[poopfromweiner dude]

Watchmen is the only superhero movie I've ever seen that I wouldn't describe as "fucking gay"

[Wishbone]

Loved Watchmen. Could not for the life of me understand the hate it got.

Meh, too dreary and bleak for me. If I wanted to dwell on how much I hate humanity and how much the world sucks I can just listen to my own thoughts. I like going to the movies and reading comics to escape that sort of thing. :p

[Kalyx triaD]

Watchmen is dreary and bleak. It is essentially about nuclear war. No time for one-liners.

[Lock Jaw]

Watchmen and 300 were decent enough.... lesson being that Zack Snyder is ok when he tries to be very faithful/literal in his adaptations.

If he did a straight adaptation of say, Superman: Birthright, I'm sure it would have been great.

[slik]

Watchmen is just ok. Nowhere near as good as the comic (but that was going to be near impossible tbh)

300 is good though and I liked MOS.

[slik]

people sometimes seem 'overly critical' of DC in general for some reason.

[Kalyx triaD]

Some issues I agree with. I don't like a 'brooding Superman'.

But the MoS destruction thing is pure bitching.

[Damian Rey]

Watchmen is the only Snyder film I actually enjoyed. But that wasn't really his own work. He essentially just filmed a live action motion comic.

300 was the shits. Big, dumb and loud. A bunch of characters I could give two fucks about. Didn't care for it at all.

Dawn of the dead might be the only film he's ever made that most people will agree on in being a very good, thoroughly entertaining movie. Sucker Punch and the Guardians movie were not well received and MoS might be the most debated good/not good comic film ever.

He's been the king of mediocrity. Hopefully getting an actual award winning writer in Terrio will turn things around for BvS and the follow up Justice League.

[Wishbone]

Watchmen is dreary and bleak. It is essentially about nuclear war. No time for one-liners.

Oh, I know it was meant to be that way. I have read the comic after all. I just don't much care for "dreary and bleak" in most cases. That's not even really a thing I have for comic book movies either. I just don't like sad movies period honestly.

Also on your comment about MoS I agree completely. I didn't have a problem with the destruction and stuff. My biggest issue was with Superman's characterization, and with the way his parents and other side characters were portrayed. None of it seemed right.

[Kalyx triaD]

"You don't owe this world anything" is the new "maybe". His parents are nice but they are certainly not the parents of the Superman I knew pre-New52. I like MoS, I just wouldn't have done those little things that didn't even affect the story a great deal. Pa Kent could contrast Jor-El's message without insinuating letting a bus full of kids die. It was an absurd line.

Although, I like that Ma Kent says he doesn't owe anybody anything, which for me is a veiled jab at critics anyway.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Can't really get excited for a movie they threw together just because the Avengers is spanking them. Right after a great Batman series with a credible Batman who was broken down and could have easily knocked it out of the park again as aged Batman.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Watchmen is the only superhero movie I've ever seen that I wouldn't describe as "fucking gay"

His glowing body was pretty fucking gay mang.

[Blonde Moment]

Nothing like seeing a 6' glowing dick
Granted in some circles that might have been a good selling point for the movie.

[GD]

Loved Watchmen. Could not for the life of me understand the hate it got.

Agreed. Couldn't get enough of Dr. Manhattan's circumcised penis.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[alvarado52]

He really needs a neck.

[slik]

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[alvarado52]

So I mean, Doomsday confirmed right? And since they're referring to Affleck as Bruce Wayne, that debunks the Deathstroke theory?

[Lock Jaw]

Wonder Woman looks the best out of everybody.

[Lock Jaw]

So I mean, Doomsday confirmed right?

Either their version of Doomsday or Bizarro

Not sold on Lex Luthor.... I just once want a "serious" Lex Luthor....

I am glad to see Clark Kent in the movie, though....

[KIRA]

Either their version of Doomsday or Bizarro

Not sold on Lex Luthor.... I just once want a "serious" Lex Luthor....

I am glad to see Clark Kent in the movie, though....

Jovial quirky luthor is a facade reportedly

[Lock Jaw]

Well, yeah, I know he is going to turn out to be sinister.... but I just want to see "serious legitimate businessman/scientist" once....

[Kalyx triaD]

Look at DC all loosening up and telling jokes. Thank god the ten year gloom train is done with.

[Lock Jaw]

Wonder what the winged things are in that one shot of Batman fighting people in the desert....

Parademons?

[KIRA]

Look at DC all loosening up and telling jokes. Thank god the ten year gloom train is done with.

Yea that caught me offguard

RIP gloomy DC I wil mis your stone-faced presentation.

Though to be fair even TDK had litle jokes in it they were good, It wasn't a constant barrage of one-liners that gets really annoying really fast.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Damian Rey]

That's what I've seen people calling them. Have to say, the dialogue here, particularly in the Clark interviewing Bruce clip, is miles sharper than anything from the last movie.

I knew it was coming, but I wish they'd have kept Doomsday a secret and kept pushing forward with the idea of Batman v Superman being the central conflict.

Looks like both Superman and Clark have much more material and range going on. One of my biggest gripes with MoS was Clark seeming like a bystander who didn't day a whole lot or express himself. This doesn't seem to have that issue.

We shall see. Still haven't revealed Wonder Woman's lines yet. I think this is likely going to be better than Man of Steel. Just seems to be written a bit tighter.

[KIRA]

He really needs a neck.

The neck on that cowl is massive I wonder why, Aflecks a big dude but his neck is not that fucking thick.

[JimmyMess]

holy fuck! looks epic! who cares about the neck! get over the neck!

[Rammsteinmad]

Shit! Doomsday?!?!?! My interest in this film has suddenly gone up 100%!!!

[Kalyx triaD]

I agree they should have kept Doomsday secret.

Still marked out, though.

[Simple Fan]

Bad ass, I can't wait for this movie. It would be a worse wait if Star Wars wasn't coming out this month. No signs of Aqua man yet unless I missed it but he is in it isn't he?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Looks shit

[Simple Fan]

If shit was another word for awesome I'd agree. Pretty much been waiting for this movie since the movie poster appeared in I Am Legend. Liked every thing so far, I do think Doomsday should have been more of a secret but it was cool.

[Sixx]

I think Doomsday looks shit, but then again I have no idea how they could make his look work in a live action movie.

[Rammsteinmad]

I will say that the CGI on Doomsday looks a bit naff, but I'm just happy to have him in a movie and not have to endure another showdown with a "human" opponent.

[Kalyx triaD]

He had an epic fight with multiple Kryptonians in the last one.

[Rammsteinmad]

Yeah... but they're human in appearance.

[Rammsteinmad]

Hence why I had the word "human" in quotation marks in the post you were replying to. I wanna see a big, badass motherfucking monster, not another human actor.

[alvarado52]

I will say that the CGI on Doomsday looks a bit naff, but I'm just happy to have him in a movie and not have to endure another showdown with a "human" opponent.

Well with any luck they'll clean it up between now and then. Kinda feel like they should add more bone to him.

[Fignuts]

It's been suggested that the whole desert scene with the parademons, superman army, and superman unmasking batman is all just a dream sequence that bruce is having.

Just speculation, but it would make sense.

[Emperor Smeat]

Trailer looked pretty cool.


The neck on that cowl is massive I wonder why, Aflecks a big dude but his neck is not that fucking thick.
Maybe Batman keeps a snack in there for when he's hungry on the job.

[Sixx]

HAd no idea what Parademons were so I googled. This is their wikipedai picture:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Parademon.JPG

[KIRA]

It's been suggested that the whole desert scene with the parademons, superman army, and superman unmasking batman is all just a dream sequence that bruce is having.

Just speculation, but it would make sense.

It had a weird distortion effect in it so when I saw the scene that was my first thought

[Sixx]

Doomsday kinda looks like a troll from LOTR.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/d/d9/Cave-troll.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070411221752

[Kalyx triaD]

He looks like Zod. Obviously, I know, but I think that's why he's not 100% comic Doomsday.

[Sixx]

How in the world does he look like Zod?

[Fignuts]

I honestly don't like this. Doomsday is one of the most important villains in superman lore, and could have been used for a death of superman movie down the line, but instead he's relegated to being a Luthor minion that will get his ass kicked in one fight at the end of the movie and never be seen again.

Just feels like a waste.

[McLegend]

I don't agree with showing Doomsday in the trailer. Let's have some surprises.

[Fignuts]

Are Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman supposed to be in this?

Going to be a huge clusterfuck if they're not a post credit scene or something.

[Rammsteinmad]

I honestly don't like this. Doomsday is one of the most important villains in superman lore, and could have been used for a death of superman movie down the line, but instead he's relegated to being a Luthor minion that will get his ass kicked in one fight at the end of the movie and never be seen again.

Just feels like a waste.

It's taken them this long to get a bloody team-up movie done. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any kind of "Death of Superman" storyline-based movie.

[weather vane]

Trailers ruin everything now.

[Fignuts]

It's taken them this long to get a bloody team-up movie done. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any kind of "Death of Superman" storyline-based movie.

Pretty sure they already asaid they have a plan for a whole bunch of movies unless I'm remembering things wrong.

[Fignuts]

Regardless, making Doomsday luthor's muscle is equivalent to making Bane Poison Ivy's lackey.

[Emperor Smeat]

It's taken them this long to get a bloody team-up movie done. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any kind of "Death of Superman" storyline-based movie.

Doubt DC would even risk doing that type of storyline again. Either they'd have to end the Superman line of films or deal with the backlash again if he's just brought back to life.

[Damian Rey]

By the end of TDKRises I think many of the general audience had accepted Bruce Wayne had died, seeing as being a symbol and not a man was a theme throughout the franchise. If this second and and Superman film to follow builds up that Supes stands for hope, and that he represents it as a symbol, I'm sure the audience would buy into him dying, only to be brought back.

I mean, shit, it worked for fucking Spock.

[Lock Jaw]

One thing I "laughed" at was the line where Bruce Wayne said something about how he must not like Superman because he has bad experiences with people dressed like a clown.

Would have been a "good line" if Superman actually wore bright colours in this thing. Heck, I think the grey/black in Batman's costume is "brighter"/"more vibrant" than Superman's colours.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Interesting to see such a stark contrast in reception between this forum and the only other forum I frequent. Not sure what the general consensus is by "critics" or anything because I've not looked into it.

Mostly praised on here and up to now 100% panned on the other forum. I'm mostly leaning towards the latter. Poor trailer, completely tone deaf, showed pretty much the entire plot, showed off the poor acting of one of it's leads. First trailer was much more interesting, and piqued my interest a bit. Now I know the full plot, it's probably just a download once it's out on blu ray for me now.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Also I don't think they hit home the point that Lex Luther's a bit of a wild card enough. Maybe they could have him get "damaged" tattooed on his face or something. Just throwing ideas out there.

[McLegend]

I just watched the trailer, and I liked it. Still look forward to seeing it.

The trailer does give away a lot though.

[XL]

Sort of torn.

I watched Ant-Man last night and "marked out" when Falcon showed up, which wouldn't have happened if he'd appeared in the trailer, and that's just Falcon in Ant-Man.

Doomsday (if that's who it is) appearing in the trailer hasn't made me want to see the movie more, but it has robbed me of a "mark out" moment when I do see it.

[Damian Rey]

Valid point m not sure why they were so quick to reveal him. Of course unless Luthor went mech suit on Supes you had to expect some kind of big bad, especially when they revealed Lex getting his hands on Zod's body in the comic con trailer.

However, giving the audience a sense that Luthor is the mega mind behind Batman and Superman fighting is the central conflict was a better idea.

We shall see what other surprises are in store.

[Fignuts]

By the end of TDKRises I think many of the general audience had accepted Bruce Wayne had died, seeing as being a symbol and not a man was a theme throughout the franchise. If this second and and Superman film to follow builds up that Supes stands for hope, and that he represents it as a symbol, I'm sure the audience would buy into him dying, only to be brought back.

I mean, shit, it worked for fucking Spock.

This, pretty much. I've never been a big superman fan, but I've always loved the Death of Superman story, ever since I was a kid, because it personofies the symbol of hope and the passion of a superhero to never give up, better than any other story I can think of.

That story IS superman.

[Damian Rey]

Never read it, but that idea that Superman dies because he continues to fight and fight and fight until his body cannot withstand it any longer is about as valiant a death as a demi god can receive.

Man of Steel already somewhat established what his insignia stands for. Lois has pointed out that it still means something to people in a trailer for this movie. If Bats jumps on board acknowledging he symbolizes fear but Clark truly represents hope and the good in people, the way Jor-El explained to him, by movie three or four it's plausible to think him dying and the JL trying to find a way to bring him back in another movie could work.

I'd be all for it this universe turns out as good as it has the potential to be.

[Sixx]

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[Damian Rey]

Lmao Jesus that skit never gets old.

[Sixx]

I watch it from time to time and I always laugh. When I'm drunk I can watch it a few times in a row and burst out laughing constantly.

[KIRA]

Zod is Doomsday's model Shannon did the Mo-cap and it looks like Zod

[Sixx]

He might have done the motion capture but how does this look like Zod?

Jesus.

[Damian Rey]

Yeah I'm not seeing it. Like, at all.

[Lock Jaw]

The nose looks like his nose!

[McLegend]

Kind of looks like The Abomination.

[XL]

I thought there was a resemblance.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

https://youtu.be/PRjWvVQz-NI

New and supposedly final trailer for BvS

[Rammsteinmad]

Pretty rubbish trailer to be honest.

I enjoyed Man of Steel, and am interested to see Doomsday, but this whole DC attempt at a movie universe is just pitiful.

[Kalyx triaD]

I seem to recall telling you guys years ago this was the most likely way DC was gonna do this.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Not sure what that has to do with anything at this point.

As for the trailer, I'm on the other side of Ram. I didn't enjoy Man of Steel at all and thought it was a pile of mediocre mumbo jumbo. The dialogue they have shown here seems much better. The lines have more heft.

I'm more concerned that it's going to be a cluster fuck but we shall see. I have more faith in what I've seen to this point than I ever thought I would. I'm hoping it's just a solid movie at this point.