Dark Side of The Ring Discussion Thread (Warning: Spoilers)

[EIWF]

Any one watched the Viceland series Dark side of the ring?

I actually enjoyed the "The Match Made in Heaven" episode the most. The story of Macho Man and Liz.

I also like how they have some lookalikes and film segments to go with the narrative to add to the feel of the episode.

"The Montreal Screwjob" was good, as was "The Fabulous Moolah".

The "The Last of the Von Erichs" didn't really catch my interests so much. Still need to watch too more. But well worth a look.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

we've posted about it regularly in the 100,001 reply thread.

[Fignuts]

It does probably deserve its own thread.

[Bad News Gertner]

We should have done this weeks ago lol

[Anybody Thrilla]

I watched the Montreal Screwjob episode tonight. Good stuff. There's a whole marathon of this and The Wrestlers on Viceland right now. I'm loving it.

[Bad News Gertner]

The Wrestlers is so good.

[xrodmuc316]

I've enjoyed all of the episodes. If I have one gripe, I didn't really like how much of Linda Hogans narrative they used during the Macho Man and Elizabeth episode.

Seemed like she was more spinning tales than reliable.

The Bruiser Brody episode was really good.

[Droford]

Only one I didn't like was the one about the guy I can't even remember his name cause I had never heard off him
Wrestled the free bird gsir cream match

[WinterDecay]

I found the Von Erich episode very sad and excellent.

[Jordan]

I watched them all with my girlfriend who would never watch anything wrestling related if she wasn't with me...

We both liked Bruiser & Montreal Screwjob the best. Gino and Moolah were not very compelling for either of us and The Savage/Liz story comes in a the middle. From my perspective they should have talked about Steph.

Haven't watched "The Wrestlers" yet but I will...

I know there are some episodes of Dark Side of the Ring that weren't released, like one about Benoit... hoping those are released this summer.

[Big Vic]

Only seen Bruiser and Macho so far. Hope to catch the rest on demand.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I found the Moolah one to be quite compelling.

[Seanny One Ball]

The only unsatisfying one was Gino Hernandez because it completely destroys all ambiguity over a myth most fans are unaware of. Montreal talks on a subject everybody knows and still keeps it relatively fresh.

Gino just wasn't that interesting a guy really and there he is stuck in amongst some legit wrestling folklore.

Dino Bravo should have been the one. I think Gertner suggested that for a second season and I'd like to know more about it.

[Seanny One Ball]

Topics I'd like to see in further episodes:

Dynamite Kid
Chris Adams
Dino Bravo
Terry Garvin
JBL's bullying
Steroid trial

[Bad News Gertner]

From what I've heard, Dino Bravo is on the season 2 list and will be the first episode.

[Heisenberg]

Just the Brody one so far

[Seanny One Ball]

Brody was really a great episode, the in depth explanation of how it went down sounds way worse than it reads.

[Heisenberg]

Yeah, I'm going to read the Brody book next once I get time to escape from real life scheduling. The only wrassling I've entrenched myself into these days has been Hulu episodes of RAW/SD, Being the Elite on YouTube and the recent AEW PPV, DoN.


Also, excited to see Moxley-san in NJPW

[Bad News Gertner]

Might as well create a thread for this. What a fucking show tonight. Man was that ever heartbreaking.

New Jack next week which should be interesting lol

[Bad News Gertner]

Felt so bad for his poor son. He looks so much like his dad.

[Volare]

Get back to you guys after....

[Volare]

Chris talking about Regal's message being revealing because of his demeanor and tone and all that, is blowing my fucking mind...never had a clue Regal lived near Benoit at the time

Posted my thoughts in spoilers so I don't ruin it for others just incase.

[Volare]

Speaking from a fan standpoint...David did mention he wanted to wrestle...and if he's "hellbent" on screw everyone but Chavo and Jericho, but Malenko and Arn work WITH Jericho...see where I'm going??

[Bad News Gertner]

To be fair, if you're entering a Discussion Thread it's pretty much a given that spoilers will discussed.

[Bad News Gertner]

Actually, fuck it. I'll just edit the thread title.

[xrodmuc316]

Is it really a spoiler that Benoit murdered his family 13 years ago?

[xrodmuc316]

In the movie Titanic, that boat sinks

[Droford]

Would have preferred Eddie and Benoit's stories separately (as much as possible with Benoit at least)

[Droford]

In the movie Titanic, that boat sinks

Dont steal my material

[Volare]

So much for trying to be nice, I hate you all!!! :)

[Big Vic]

To be fair, if you're entering a Discussion Thread it's pretty much a given that spoilers will discussed.

Kris P disagrees

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol yes he does

[Bad News Gertner]

Here's both episodes

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[Heisenberg]

Thank you for posting episode 2 :-)

[Seanny One Ball]

Yes, major rep storm coming your way for that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

A great watch but not what I'd call a fun watch.

The ending offered some catharsis. Though, having listened to both Sandra and Chavo on Jericho's podcast, there wasn't much about this that I didn't already know to some degree. Still, the stuff with his older son at the end...was quite riveting and heartwrenching.

[RP]

I watched the first part. It's really hard to want to watch the 2nd part. Chris Benoit IS my favorite wrestler of all time. I still dont believe he did this.

[Sepholio]

Oh man this is hard to watch. Heartbreaking.

[Seanny One Ball]

90 minutes of re-treading old ground

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

90 minutes of re-treading old ground

As deep-dive wrestling fans, it's impossible not to know the whole story. I appreciated the added touch of Sandra and David, who brought a fresh perspective to the whole thing. (Unless you're like me and listened to her on Talk is Jericho).

I also appreciated Chris Jericho's role in reconnecting the two. It was a good look for him.

[Seanny One Ball]

The still living Benoit child was very interesting in all fairness. Even just getting a good look at him was quite good.

[Bad News Gertner]

Looks like The Brawl For All episode is after New Jack followed by Jimmy Snuka and Nancy Argentino which I have a feeling may be the most jaw dropping episode they've done yet.

[Evil Vito]

That’s gonna be fascinating. Not sure how you tell that story properly without coming to the conclusion that there’s no fucking way Vince wasn’t trying to help with the cover up.

[Seanny One Ball]

The New Jack episode is going to be full of exaggeration. I look forward to it.

[Droford]

The New Jack episode is going to be full of exaggeration. I look forward to it.

I dont know how Jericho could be involved but I want him in it

[Bad News Gertner]

They were in ECW together.

[Bad News Gertner]

That’s gonna be fascinating. Not sure how you tell that story properly without coming to the conclusion that there’s no fucking way Vince wasn’t trying to help with the cover up.

Wait until you hear the stories about the town, cops etc...

[Droford]

They were in ECW together.

True, but I dont think Jerico was in ECW at the time of the Mass Transit incident, so yeah he could be involved talking about New Jack but he wouldn't know directly about the incident which I assume is the focus of the episode

[Bad News Gertner]

There much more to New Jack that the Mass Transit incident. And yeah Jericho debuted in WCW in August 96. Mass Transit was Nov 96.

[Bad News Gertner]

He's also doing narration on the Snuka and Dr.D David Schulz episodes and he definitely wasn't around for that.

[Droford]

He's also doing narration on the Snuka and Dr.D David Schulz episodes and he definitely wasn't around for that.

Jericho did wrestle Snuka at WM though lol

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol true

[owenbrown]

In hindsight, watching this, Benoit should have need much more help from say the WWE after Eddie's death to maybe prevent this tragedy.

[McLegend]

The being in Eddie’s bed and holding/crying into his pillow was a little weird.

[drave]

There much more to New Jack that the Mass Transit incident. And yeah Jericho debuted in WCW in August 96. Mass Transit was Nov 96.




New Jack is fucking insane. Saw him at countless shows around town over the years.


Favorite was a "fans bring the weapons" night, which as you can possibly imagine, was fucked up. A bat with actual barbed wire that made Lucille from TWD look like a toy, someone made a "crown of wire" which was also used.


There was a triple threat with New Jack, Bullet and some other older white guy, cant remember his name. Anyway.... NJ and the old guy beat the fuck outta Bullet (he was super young and super green) until he was legit unconscious.


Old guy goes to leave, tells New Jack he was going to "whip his black ass" ANNNNNND all fucking hell broke loose.


He threw the dude into 5-6 rows of chairs that still had people sitting in them. Took something out of his pocket (a knife probably) and started cutting the dudes head all over the fucking place.


His music never stopped during this entire match, making it really seem like some crazy ass street fight. He walked out victorious leaving the place looking like a murder happened. It was fucking crazy.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah he did have a great music gimmick, just playing it on repeat through all the carnage.

[Emperor Smeat]

Finally got around to watching the Benoit episode and it easily replaces the Von Erichs as my favorite from the series.

Only weak episode in the series so far was the Montreal Screwjob mainly because a good portion of it devolved into Cornette and Russo just bickering about each other.

[owenbrown]

the Moolah episode was very awkward

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The moolah episode, while good, didn't seem to know which direction it wanted to go in.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah, they did go a little overboard with trying to cover both sides of the issue especially by including that one guy who runs a Moolah fan club.

Same for that one former wrestler who went on a tangent about her or any other of Moolah's talent being associated with prostitution because of Moolah's accusations.

If Luna and Sweet Georgia Brown were still alive, that would have made the episode better overall considering the accusations of what Moolah did to them.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The one lady whoop had the native American garb and thrashed her neck seemed to insinuate that awful things about moolah are true but then at the end seemed to be saying nobody should say shit cuz thru don't know the truth or something like that.

[Triple A]

Just watched it, had me crying

Also love Chris Jericho even more now

[Bad News Gertner]

The one lady whoop had the native American garb and thrashed her neck seemed to insinuate that awful things about moolah are true but then at the end seemed to be saying nobody should say shit cuz thru don't know the truth or something like that.



Native Canadian garb!

#SlickyTrickyDamon post

[Seanny One Ball]

Just watched it, had me crying



Hahahahahaha

[Bad News Gertner]

I can't fucking wait for the episode on Herb Abrams and the UWF.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm curious to see how the Snuka/Nancy episode covers possible Vince involvement.

[Bad News Gertner]

Wait to you hear about all the shady shit involved in Lehigh County. It'll blow your mind.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is going to be fascinating.

[Bad News Gertner]

I won't spoil it for everyone but it's VERY shady shit.

I got really interested in this story like 7-8 years ago after listening to Muraco talk about it on Kayfabe Commentaries Timeline 1983. You could just tell there was more to the story. I've read up on it a lot and have listened to a few podcasts on it. It's going to be a VERY bad look for Vince when it comes out. Here's the Muraco clip. Segment is at the 3:30 mark

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm really surprised that Vince has not been taken down yet. The guy's got to have so many skeletons in his closet, and it's not like the guy has been careful.

[Emperor Smeat]

Its mostly due to a mix of wrestling low rep in the mainstream and entertainment/sports industry and him cultivating decades worth of loyalty from those who worked for him and wrestling fans.

Plus, most of the real heat he's gotten in recent times was financial related in the sense investors were getting pissed WWE wasn't maintaining their skyrocketing value and less on ethical issues by WWE.

[Bad News Gertner]

Rewatching the end of the Benoit episode.

Does Dean Malenko have Parkinsons? He's very shaky.

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh shit, he does.

[slik]

This is a fascinating and quick read on the Snuka case, if ya want to read a $2.99 e-book. Like Gertner said, when more eyes are on this situation it could be very explosive. It is very, very shady.


https://www.amazon.com/JUSTICE-DENIED-Untold-Argentinos-Superfly-ebook/dp/B00CPTP6VM

[Emperor Smeat]

Oh shit, he does.

Yeah, he revealed he's been suffering from it during one of the Starrcast conventions last year.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol holy shit, members of Atlas Security on the New Jack episode. The most incompetent security staff ever.

[Bad News Gertner]

New Jack is amazing.

[Bad News Gertner]

Kind of a meh episode. Didn't really go over anything that most fans don't already know.

Brawl for All episode next week
That should be something. Prichard and Russo telling lie after lie.

[Droford]

Kind of a meh episode. Didn't really do over anything that most fans don't already know.

Brawl for All episode next week
That should be something. Prichard and Russo telling lie after lie.

I somehow never saw the vic grimes spot off the scaffold. It looked less worse than I thought it would

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Jesus I didn't now anything about the smoky mountain stuff. Good fucking grief lol.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

So I didn't know much about New Jack other than the mass transit incident and that he did some crazy ass dives. Holy fucking shit this is insane.

[slik]

The Benoit eps set a ratings record for VICE


https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/dark-side-of-the-ring-season-2-premiere-ratings-vice-1203549378/

[Sepholio]

Wow New Jack is a peice of shit. The way he laughs about all of it is disturbing.

[drave]

Dude has zero remorse. Zero.


He was super nice in person, but in the ring - fuck that.

[Sepholio]

I'm surprised no one ever tried to seriously injure him or even kill him, honestly.

[xrodmuc316]

I'm curious to see how the Snuka/Nancy episode covers possible Vince involvement.

I'm convinced it's the other way around, Vince killed her and Snuka covered for Vince. How else can you explain Tamina STILL having a job with WWE today?? :rofl:

[Seanny One Ball]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

New Jack is something else. He seems like such a funny, easy going person in interviews. Even on beyond the mat, he came off as really likeable.

Then you watch him try to kill people and stab people and just purposely try to injure others and it's like, wtf and why did people keep booking this guy.

[Droford]

So I didn't know much about New Jack other than the mass transit incident and that he did some crazy ass dives. Holy fucking shit this is insane.

Jim Cornete telling them to go out and piss off white people is hilarious on it's own.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol I love that he tased vic grimes before throwing him off a fucking scaffold, nearly to his death. Jesus Christ that is so fucked up. I dunno why, but the taser really got me.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He basically said fuck it this guy pussed out last time so I'm just gonna tase him and throw him off and he'll have no choice.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've also heard that the Grimes/New Jack shit is a work and that Grimes just overshot his landing, which I can believe from watching the tape as frequently as I have.

I love New Jack, but he's all about preserving his gimmick

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've also heard that the Grimes/New Jack shit is a work and that Grimes just overshot his landing, which I can believe from watching the tape as frequently as I have.

I love New Jack, but he's all about preserving his gimmick

I'd prefer this over the prospect of it being a shoot.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol oh I so want it to be a shoot

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean... it's funnier as a shoot. But very troubling lmfao

[Seanny One Ball]

New Jack made me laugh an awful lot during that episode. That might be my new favourite besides Brody and the Von Erichs.

[Bad News Gertner]

Every episode this season is just money. Top to bottom. The only one I'm not pumped for is the Road Warriors one.

[Bad News Gertner]

We still have

Owen Hart
Herb Abrams
Snuka
Dino Bravo
Dr. D David Schultz
Brawl for All
Road Warriors

[Seanny One Ball]

Dino Bravo could be a sleeper hit

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol especially if they can get Jaque Rougeau

[Bad News Gertner]

Hahaha I can only imagine the tales to be spun if Jacques Rougeau is on there.


My favourite Jacques story is Jacques working in Memphis in the mid 80s and telling Jerry Lawler that he should work babyface in their match because "I'm more over than you"

He didn't last too much longer.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dino Bravo could be a sleeper hit

That one is going to be great because the whole story isn't widely known.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

New Jack made me laugh an awful lot during that episode. That might be my new favourite besides Brody and the Von Erichs.

He's likeable as fuck. Natural charisma.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol do you remember this epic facebook post New Jack made about Terri Runnels (they used to date)

1. I left Terri because she is an bi-polar alcoholic who gets every morning at 5:30 to make a very stiff vodka and cranberry….. EVERY MORNING!!

2. She’s hooked on percs,,,, BAD!!

3. She is very big liar and the Terri Runnels that you (the world) know is totally different from who I had to deal with. She not that little sweet innocent girl she pretends to be.

4. Her house is in foreclosure (public record) and been there for 2 years and she thought I was gonna be her savior.

5. She doesn’t want a man. She wants a butler and or driver.

6. She let her daughter bring a online stranger over for Christmas without checking him out. (WHAT KIND OF PARENT IS THAT)

.. BUT ONE THE MAIN REASONS IS THAT I FOUND OUT (the hard way) THAT SHE HAD HERPES SINCE SHE WAS 18 AND HAD NO PROBLEMS HIDING FROM PEOPLE WHILE HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX. I’M WAITING FOR MY TEST RESULTS …UPDATES COMING)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dino Bravo could be a sleeper hit

Oh, you son of a bitch. Got to say -- that one popped me.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think you're the only one who caught that pun

[Jordan]

Lmao at that Terri post.on FB.

I just want to see one video of him getting knocked out or beat up really bad. Does this exist?

[Jordan]

I am really interested in the Herb Abrams story because I love all the failed attempts to make a big company.

[Bad News Gertner]

I am really interested in the Herb Abrams story because I love all the failed attempts to make a big company.

My favourite wrestling podcast is Between the Sheets and they did a 2 part Patreon special on the UWF. The stuff that Herb pulled is fucking incredible.

Like getting on a live mic in the middle of their Beach Blast ppv and yelling "Let's hear it for the jews"

[Bad News Gertner]

I think you're the only one who caught that pun

Lol just got it

[Emperor Smeat]

Watched the New Jack episode earlier today and thought it was pretty good overall. Doesn't really reveal any new juicy hidden details about his career that weren't already known though.

It did have the best ever ending for a documentary. Laughed a lot when they reenacted New Jack's wish for how a movie about him would end.

[Seanny One Ball]

When he said he beat up a 100 year old man during the Gypsy Joe bit I cracked up.
New Jack is funny.

[Bad News Gertner]

Listen to Corny interview the guys from Dark Side of the Ring. They got John Stossel for the Dr. D David Schultz episode. Holy shit.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Didn’t Stossel get a huge settlement from WWF because of that? You’d think he’d have a confidentiality agreement in place.

Unless he’s going to say the whole thing was a work. Oh god please do that.

[Bad News Gertner]

He's talked about it before in his book. Schultz has as well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hope they get Stossel to talk shit about Schultz and then they're like "Well...he's here tonight!" just to watch Stossel freak out.

[Seanny One Ball]

Then he slaps him again

[Bad News Gertner]

Grimes apparently told Meltzer at Roland Alexander's funeral that the scaffold/taser shit was a work and that he just spoke to New Jack earlier in the day

[Seanny One Ball]

Roland Alexander was the obese carny in Beyond The Mat wasn't he? Not worth a Google. Too ugly.

[Bad News Gertner]

That would be him

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Brawl for All episode is tonight. Looks like Cornette and Russo are both in it. Hope they don’t ruin this one like they did the Montreal Screwjob episode.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Actually that one would’ve been bad even if they weren’t in it

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol you know it's going to be a Russo vs Cornette pissing match

Probably looking forward to this one the least this season, except for maybe the Road Warriors

[xrodmuc316]

The Brawl for All episode is tonight. Looks like Cornette and Russo are both in it. Hope they don’t ruin this one like they did the Montreal Screwjob episode.

Truth!

Both trying to take credit for it when all the actually people involved have constantly said the only ones who knew were Vince, Brisco, Hebner, HBK, and HHH.

Bonus from that episode, Scott Hall still thinking it was a work lol.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hall saying Shawn told him it was a work was the only new or interesting thing in that episode.

[Bad News Gertner]

Pretty weak episode so far

[Bad News Gertner]

Definitely the weakest episode I've seen including Season 1.

[Bad News Gertner]

Holy shit at the trailer for next weeks episode.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/jasoneisener?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jasoneisener</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/evanhusney?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@evanhusney</a> incredible job with both seasons of <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarkSideOfRing</a>. Funny story - while on creative in either 2009 or 2010 Vince wanted to do another Brawl For All with the guys competing on NXT (in its original format). He had to be talked out of it.</p>&mdash; John Piermarini (@JohnAsHimself) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnAsHimself/status/1247746023591571457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Brawl for All was better than the Montreal Screwjob one IMO. While it had a bunch of Corny/Russo nonsense, it at least had the fresh element of Bart Gunn's perspective, which I found to be EASILY the most interesting part. He came across as a humble (relatively) dude who understood his own circumstances. Plus, Droz was a breath of fresh air. And Godfather was fun, too.

The main problem with the story is that it really isn't all that intriguing. We all knew it was a dumb idea, and it played out as such. Not much else to it. But I appreciated the narrative, minus the Corny/Russo stuff -- which was pointless.

[erickman]

wonder why jbl was not interviewed for it that would have been good.

[Bad News Gertner]

Fuuuuuuuuck I can't wait for the Snuka episode omg

[Volare]

Godfather, Gillberg, and Butterbean all in a room.....Damn!

[Seanny One Ball]

Vince Russo came off so badly during that it was nearly unwatchable.

It was great to see Bart Gunn and Droz at least.

[James Steele]

Russo is a twatwaffle.

[Bad News Gertner]

He looked like such a moron. You can definitely see why Cornette hates him.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

"shitstain"

[xrodmuc316]

wonder why jbl was not interviewed for it that would have been good.

I'm sure WWE doesn't let anybody currently employed do these.

Also, JBL has commented on it before. He said his idea was for what would become the hardcore division, but Russo took that and came up with Brawl for All. That it did nobody any good and was dumb.

JBL also admitted nobody knew how good of punches Bart Gunn had, and had no embarrassment that he got his ass kicked.

[xrodmuc316]

Also, how the fuck is Vince Russo STILL getting work for doing a good job at something 22 years ago. It's insanity.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Some would argue he didn’t do all that good of a job in the first place as his approach was undeniably unsustainable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What I don't get is the "nice guy" stuff about Russo. Dude is clearly a piece of shit, lol.

[slik]

Just finished the Brawl For All episode.Thankfully a little lighter than New Jack and Benoit episodes - but still good.

Russo is as Russo as ever.

I wonder if this was a few years later if Brock would have easily won. Do you guys think Brock would have demolished Butterbean if they squared up, I have to think he would have.

[Emperor Smeat]

Just finished the Brawl For All episode.Thankfully a little lighter than New Jack and Benoit episodes - but still good.

Russo is as Russo as ever.

I wonder if this was a few years later if Brock would have easily won. Do you guys think Brock would have demolished Butterbean if they squared up, I have to think he would have.

Yes on Brock winning the tournament but doubt it for the Butterbean fight since that was a regular boxing match. Lesnar likely loses most of the advantages he has as a fighter under that scenario but he'd last longer than Gunn did for sure.

[Bad News Gertner]

Butterbean would have killed Brock under those rules.

[Bad News Gertner]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Butterbean would have killed Brock under those rules.

You may as well tie Brock's hands behind his back at that point.

[Big Vic]

Was the WM15 match under Boxing rules or Brawl for all rules?

[XL]

I thought it was a “Brawl For All” match but Gunn tried to box (rather than use a takedown) which didn’t go very well for him.

[Seanny One Ball]

Boxing, that's why Bart boxed him.
That wasn't really made clear in the episode, they made it seem like Bart went out and boxed him because he was told to rather than because those were the rules.

Bart Gunn having a win over Cabbage Correira was an interesting point. I mean if it was an MMA match Bart Gunn probably would kill Butterbean. Butterbean's MMA record, much like his boxing one is highly questionable even in a kind light.

Freak show events.

[Seanny One Ball]

Hold on, it does say on the WM15 wiki that it was a Brawl For All match...

That doesn't make sense though because the BFA was over by then and the match was presented as a boxing match with a boxer as the ref and everything.

This event doesn't stand up to scrutiny!

[Seanny One Ball]

In this moment, I am convinced that Bart Gunn would have destroyed Butterbean in an mma/brawl for all style match.

Oh God, I didn't think the BFA could be any more of a travesty but knowing that Bart Gunn could actually have beaten the Bean is too much for me to cope with.

[erickman]

I'm sure WWE doesn't let anybody currently employed do these.

Also, JBL has commented on it before. He said his idea was for what would become the hardcore division, but Russo took that and came up with Brawl for All. That it did nobody any good and was dumb.

JBL also admitted nobody knew how good of punches Bart Gunn had, and had no embarrassment that he got his ass kicked.

yeah vince don't want to give his side of the story on most of these stories.

[XL]

Hold on, it does say on the WM15 wiki that it was a Brawl For All match...

That doesn't make sense though because the BFA was over by then and the match was presented as a boxing match with a boxer as the ref and everything.

This event doesn't stand up to scrutiny!

It’s referred to as a Brawl For All Match on the PPV. They go over the rules, referring to the take down. The competition was over but this was a Special Attraction for Mania. They both enter to the same music, which I’m guessing is the BFA music.

[XL]

In this moment, I am convinced that Bart Gunn would have destroyed Butterbean in an mma/brawl for all style match.

Oh God, I didn't think the BFA could be any more of a travesty but knowing that Bart Gunn could actually have beaten the Bean is too much for me to cope with.

TBF, it’s hard to say that Gunn went in there to box, he wasn’t in there long enough for us to know for certain.

[slik]

Really looking forward to the Snuka episode

[Mr. Nerfect]

Snuka is going to be tremendous.

[Emperor Smeat]

Just finished watching the Brawl for All episode and came away with thinking the whole thing was even dumber than I previously felt.

Not even the brackets had any real thought put into it to ensure the whole thing wouldn't quickly fall apart the moment something went wrong.

[xrodmuc316]

TBF, it’s hard to say that Gunn went in there to box, he wasn’t in there long enough for us to know for certain.

To be fair, I don't remember Bart Gunn going for takedowns in any of the BFA matches. I am guessing he went into the right with what brought him. Problem was he ran into a bull of a pro puncher who outweighed him by over 100 pounds, and knocked him silly.

[Seanny One Ball]

Bart Gunn successfully executed takedowns in the BFA.
I'm sure he had a takedown on Dr Death.

[Seanny One Ball]

TBF, it’s hard to say that Gunn went in there to box, he wasn’t in there long enough for us to know for certain.


He absolutely went in there to box. Watch the way he's standing and look at his hands.
He ain't shooting for takedowns and he isn't rushing in looking for a wild knockout.

[Sepholio]

Yeah he tried to straight square up with Butterbean. Really shouldn't have done that considering the size difference and the notorious punching power of Bean. He was doomed from the start.

[owenbrown]

What actually could have been though if Dr. Death didn't tear his hamstring and won the whole thing? :-\

[owenbrown]

also did they actually lose out on supposedly $5 million as Cornette said?

[drave]

Assuming 5 mill is what they were paying for Williams's deal and then he effectively couldn't fulfill it - yes, they lost it.

[xrodmuc316]

There is no way Vince gave him a $5 million deal in 1998. I am sure Cornette was referring to potential revenue, but that's not really the same as losing the money.

[Bad News Gertner]

He's talking about the money they could have drawn with a Dr. Death vs Austin feud

[XL]

Do you think Dr Death/Austin would have drawn?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Do you think Dr Death/Austin would have drawn?

not a hope in hell. Dr. Death didn't have a WWF vibe IMO. He was too boring and the crowd wouldn't have responded. Even if he won brawl for all, he'd have languished in midcard hell.

[Seanny One Ball]

The Miracle Violence Connection would have gotten over in the early 90's.

What a name for a tag team.

[Bad News Gertner]

Do you think Dr Death/Austin would have drawn?

Anything with Austin would have at that point, but it would be a 1-2 ppv match feud .

Probably would have hooked up with Vince.

[ozzman6669]

Just watched them all, the Moolah one is really weird, spent the whole episode saying how bad she was, then in the last 2 minutes you got 6 girls saying nothing happened then a girl who spent the whole time saying how bad she was end the episode saying Moolah was great and if you say Moolah was a pimp it means she was a prostitute.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Anything with Austin would have at that point, but it would be a 1-2 ppv match feud .

Probably would have hooked up with Vince.

Man I remember when they teased Austin/Ahmed Johnson and I was hyped as fuck. Austin could’ve made anything work back then.

[XL]

Anything with Austin would have at that point, but it would be a 1-2 ppv match feud .

Probably would have hooked up with Vince.

Where do you think the feud would have sat in the chronology/what did they do instead?

[Bad News Gertner]

The B4A ended in Aug 1998. The Sept PPV was Austin vs Kane vs Taker for the title and a number 1 contender 3 way cage match between Shamrock vs Rock vs Mankind . You could have put Williams fresh off a B4A win into the 3 way and make it a 4 way(scrap the cage match). Have Williams win the match and face Austin at the Oct PPV Judgement Day ending in some sort of screwy finish causing the title to be held up till the tournament at SS

[Bad News Gertner]

Then you could have Vince enter Williams in the field as his hired assassin who's only focus of to make sure Austin doesn't win the title kinda like Andre and Hogan in WM4. Maybe they both get dq'd or Austin gets DQ for using a chair

Williams faces Austin at the Dec PPV Rock Bottom and Austin wins ending the feud.

Then you do the same shit they did at the 99 Rumble or whatever

[Bad News Gertner]

Hire me now Vince

[xrodmuc316]

Then you could have Vince enter Williams in the field as his hired assassin who's only focus of to make sure Austin doesn't win the title kinda like Andre and Hogan in WM4. Maybe they both get dq'd or Austin gets DQ for using a chair

Williams faces Austin at the Dec PPV Rock Bottom and Austin wins ending the feud.

Then you do the same shit they did at the 99 Rumble or whatever

That's the only spot that makes sense. Wonder if maybe he would have had the role Bossman got within the corporation.

There is no way they were going to backseat The Rock or the Undertaker for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Bossman role for Dr. Death sounds about right.

[Bad News Gertner]

Soooooo looking forward to tonights episode

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol holy shit, Tonga Kid

[Bad News Gertner]

Don Muraco :heart:

[Bad News Gertner]

Awesome episode so far.

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh wow, Snuka's widow

[Bad News Gertner]

HOLY SHIT WHAT AN EPISODE!

[Droford]

Mine didnt record and I gotta wait for the replay later

[Bad News Gertner]

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[Bad News Gertner]

These tend to get pulled down so I'll post a few.

[Droford]

Oh wow, Snuka's ex-wife.

I'm having a hard time picturing him married to her

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Watching it now. Is his widow basically admitting he did it? It certainly sounds like it.

[Seanny One Ball]

Snuka's wife spent the whole episode deflecting or dancing around making any definitive statements, the ex cop looked shadier than a pawn shop cashier and Sam Fatu cheerfully accidentally drops a huge clanger that casts even greater doubt on Snuka.

Maybe the best put together episode since Brody or the Von Erichs because it effectively puts it all on a platter for you. Reading about these things makes it hard to form an accurate image, these episodes give you a good view.

New Jack still the funniest though, likely always will be.

[Big Vic]

Yeah they asked Fatu the right way so he wouldn't have his guard up on the question.

[Seanny One Ball]

They way they showed him zimmer off afterwards was classic.

He knew what he had done.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dino Bravo episode next week. That should be an awesome episode as well.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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This lying sack of shit. Oh man what an episode.

[Seanny One Ball]

The part where the interviewer mentioned about Fatu saying he had been in the car was just perfect TV.
He guessed it just as he was saying it, then in a split second you can see sheer panic in his face.

That man is a practiced liar but he didn't see that coming at all.

[Bad News Gertner]

It seems like interest dropped off greatly after the Benoit episode which is a shame. The few sites I frequent had hardly any comments on this one.

Dino Bravo and then Dr. D David Schultz. Fuck man. Such interesting stories.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The Snuka story is just so fucked. Benoit did what he did, but he killed himself and would have been caught if he stayed alive. Some semblance of justice was served. Or at least the loop was closed, so to speak.

But Snuka got to just go and wrestle and do a bunch of crack until he died. No justice.

[ozzman6669]

Got one question about Vince role in this, they almost didn't talk about him except that maybe he was at the police station after. I'm not questioning if Vince would want to get involved but did he had enough money to buy murder charge in 83 ?

[Bad News Gertner]

Snuka was arguably the hottest wrestler in the world in a feud that was the hottest feud in the history of the company next to maybe Bruno vs Larry. Vince would have emptied his pockets.

But he didn't really have to. The town made a lot of money off Vince and his wrestlers over the years. It was in both parties best interest to sweep this under the rug

[slik]

Vince totally paid someone off here, watching now

[Bad News Gertner]

He totally greased some pockets

[slik]

I am looking forward to the dino bravo ep, I have always wanted to hear more about that

[Bad News Gertner]

Same here.

[ozzman6669]

They can get a lot of info for what his life was at the time but I wonder what kind of info they can get on the hit, don't think they can get mafia guys to talk and most of the Cotroni family got killed when the Rizzuto and the Hell's Angels took over

[Seanny One Ball]

Mob guys seemingly never shut the fuck up so I'm sure they'll have found somebody suitably shady to talk to.
I was surprised and pretty impressed that they got the cop to appear in the Snuka episode.

[Bad News Gertner]

They can get a lot of info for what his life was at the time but I wonder what kind of info they can get on the hit, don't think they can get mafia guys to talk and most of the Cotroni family got killed when the Rizzuto and the Hell's Angels took over

There always seems to be 1-2 people on these shows that you would not expect to be on there so who knows

[Seanny One Ball]

Wouldn't put it past them to have Martha for the Owen episode.

[Seanny One Ball]

Cornette and Russo come in to claim sole credit for the accident, each saying the other wouldn't have the foresight to kill a Hart like that.

[Bad News Gertner]

Wouldn't put it past them to have Martha for the Owen episode.

I believe she is

[drave]

Holy shit at the Dino Bravo stuff.


I had no idea about ANY Of that. definitely tuning in

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah it's a pretty crazy story and the one this season where there's not a ton of info out there

[Seanny One Ball]

I believe she is


Gravy

[Seanny One Ball]

Season 3 is going to be a bunch of cripplings and sex offences surely. Maybe a plane crash or two...
All capped off by the steroid doctors.

[Seanny One Ball]

Rikidozan would be a good one actually.

[ozzman6669]

For season 3 maybe some of those could be interesting

Ric Flair plane crash
Art Barr (or every sex offender if there's not enough with Barr)
An episode on Yokozuna's life out of the ring could be good
Story of the territories system and if Vince is really the only reason it died
An episode on all Haku/Meng stories could be a good lighter episode

[ozzman6669]

Or maybe one episode on backyard wrestling, extreme hardcore shit and peoples without any training destroying their lives in front of 8 fans for 5 bucks and a cup of instant noodles !

[Bad News Gertner]

They gotta do one on Chris Adams

[Seanny One Ball]

If they did any real investigation into Haku I worry the bubble would burst and you'd see a lot of talk and a couple of police reports/statements but no really compelling evidence. Even if they could turn up a recipient of one of his beatings none of the jaw snapping, nose biting, eye gouging would look or sound as funny as the stories would have you believe.

Some poor jerk hobbles out with a hole where his eye should be... I dunno man.

Haku is better kept as a legend.

Probably better off legally too.

[Seanny One Ball]

Chris Adams does need one. I've heard a 2-3 hour podcast outlining his crimes and misadventures and it was some entertaining, crazy shit.

They'd have to get Austin.

I'd watch one on Taras Bulba/Bruiser Bedlam too. He was a contract killer and leader of some biker gang I think.

[xrodmuc316]

If be down for an episode on when a bunch of Marines beat up Shawn Michaels.

[Fignuts]

https://i.imgur.com/y8wi2vp.png

[Seanny One Ball]

I think a lot of cripplings and molestings will be in season 3.

[Bad News Gertner]

They really gotta do one on Jerry Lawler's arrest in the early 90s

[Seanny One Ball]

I honestly would struggle to watch that.
I know you know, but I doubt a lot of people know the actual full alleged details of that.

It's definitely true.

[Bad News Gertner]

I believe he only got charged with witness tampering at the end of the day. It's been a little bit since I've read about it.

It's pretty fucked. I think she ended up saying she told her bf that she slept with Lawler to get back at her bf. The whole story is fucked.

She was underaged in case some of you haven't heard the story.

[Seanny One Ball]

I think a few arms were twisted

[Bad News Gertner]

Not a huge Conrad Thomson fan, but he does an interview on Jr's feed with one of the guys from DSOTR regarding the Snuka episode and he brings up some really interesting behind the scenes stuff about Tonga Kid

[ozzman6669]

Just watched Bravo's episode preview and sadly I saw Jacques Rougeau. Raymond is pretty reliable on wrestling stories but Jacques is a great Bulshiter !

[Fignuts]

https://i.imgur.com/GbsfxX8.png

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Not a huge Conrad Thomson fan, but he does an interview on Jr's feed with one of the guys from DSOTR regarding the Snuka episode and he brings up some really interesting behind the scenes stuff about Tonga Kid

Can you elaborate?

[Bad News Gertner]

That when Tonga Kid told the story about how he was in the car with Snuka and Nancy the night of the murder how it caught the producers off guard because nobody had heard that before. They asked him about it over and over again to make sure he wasn't confused. They then figured out Tongs Kid wasn't aware of the story Snuka told the police.

[Bad News Gertner]

Just watched Bravo's episode preview and sadly I saw Jacques Rougeau. Raymond is pretty reliable on wrestling stories but Jacques is a great Bulshiter !

Top 3 easily

[ozzman6669]

I really hope they got Rick Martel, I remember 5 or 6 years after the murder he did an interview in french and he really knew a lot of Dino's story after wrestling.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That when Tonga Kid told the story about how he was in the car with Snuka and Nancy the night of the murder how it caught the producers off guard because nobody had heard that before. They asked him about it over and over again to make sure he wasn't confused. They then figured out Tongs Kid wasn't aware of the story Snuka told the police.

Juicy

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner is so on top of the news that he posts news from a podcast he doesn't even want to listen to.

[Seanny One Ball]

If anyone has an interest there is a Conrad podcast mixed into his JR podcast feed called Dark Side Of The Podcast where he talks to the producers of Dark Side Of The Ring to further discuss episodes.

It is excellent.

[Bad News Gertner]

I really hope they got Rick Martel, I remember 5 or 6 years after the murder he did an interview in french and he really knew a lot of Dino's story after wrestling.

I hope so. From what I've heard Martel is kinda done with wrestling and very rarely does any appearances so he would be a very nice get.

[Bad News Gertner]

Just watched Bravo's episode preview and sadly I saw Jacques Rougeau. Raymond is pretty reliable on wrestling stories but Jacques is a great Bulshiter !

I remember Jacques was on Mooney's podcast and he went on this tangent the WWF forcing The Quebecers to lose the titles at Wrestlemania 10 and how that was the final straw

Lol they lost the match by count out.

[Seanny One Ball]

Jacques Rougeau was ahead of his time. A Rougeau reality show would have been epic back in the day.

French Canada is nuts wrestling-wise.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jacques Rougeau is amazing

[Emperor Smeat]

Just finished watching the Snuka episode and wow at the story of Vince calling Nancy's family offering them money while police detective were in their house at the time.

Was a pretty great episode overall and one of the series best episodes from start to finish.

[ozzman6669]

I rewatched Snuka's episode and I think it's the second worst of the series after Moolah's, absolutely nothing new was said, it still the same rumors and he says-she says with nothing to back it up, they couldn't even get someone to say that the meeting with Vince really happened, yes the cop looks like he's lying but you can"t send someone to jail with that !! Even for Fatu, he start the episode saying that he don't remember Nancy's name and never talked to her and then at the end he sudenly remember after 36 years he remember that he was traveling with them !!

[Bad News Gertner]

Just finished watching the Snuka episode and wow at the story of Vince calling Nancy's family offering them money while police detective were in their house at the time.

Was a pretty great episode overall and one of the series best episodes from start to finish.

I'm not certain it was Vince. I think it possibly could have been Phil Zacko who was the local promoter for Vince and long time right hand man for Vince Sr.

[weather vane]

Season 3 could be... Tammy Sytch/Chris Candido, Teddy Hart, Patterson Ring Boys, Steroid Trial, Chyna, Deathmatch Wrestling, Wrestler’s Court...

Could also do an episode on urban legends. Investigate if they are true. Macho/Stephanie, Sid shits his pants, Hogan black eye at Mania 9, different Warriors/Taker etc..

[BigCrippyZ]

Season 3 could be... Tammy Sytch/Chris Candido, Teddy Hart, Patterson Ring Boys, Steroid Trial, Chyna, Deathmatch Wrestling, Wrestler’s Court...

Could also do an episode on urban legends. Investigate if they are true. Macho/Stephanie, Sid shits his pants, Hogan black eye at Mania 9, different Warriors/Taker etc..

What's the Hogan WM9 black eye story/rumor? It sounds vaguely familiar but I guess I don't know the details.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What's the Hogan WM9 black eye story/rumor? It sounds vaguely familiar but I guess I don't know the details.

That Hogan’s black eye cake from Savage in a bar fight instead of the jet ski accident.

[BigCrippyZ]

That Hogan’s black eye cake from Savage in a bar fight instead of the jet ski accident.

I guess I never really heard or paid as much attention to that story though it does sound vaguely familiar. Thanks!

[Bad News Gertner]

The guys who co-wrote the Montreal Wrestling history book(Mad Dogs, Midgets and Screwjobs) that I own did a lot of the behind the scenes work on the Dino Bravo episode (Pat Laprade and Bertrand Hebert) so it should be well done.

[slik]

The Mountie explaining what a booker is to an audience who already knows