NFL 2006 Preview

[VonErich Lives]

What was that brought up last year, like he could only bench like 200 pounds or something?


Yeah, Trips and some others went all hissy fit over Tiki and how he's the best and blah, blah, blah... how he like doubled his bench in the offseason and such.

I stated that if he started fumbling the ball like he used to Coughlin is a discipline coach and would bench him, because he wouldn't stand for the turn overs.

That being said, Tiki had a great year last year. Rushing, Catching and held onto the ball.

Before I tip my cap to him as one of the leagues "Elite" backs, I want to see him do it for a 2nd year.

[Gonzo]

Tiki is and always has been an amazing athlete. Sad part is it is his 8th or 9th year and his prime is past him. He won't have a fumbling problem this year I guarantee you that. If Eli plays well and we have some sort of passing game then I think Tiki will at least match last years totals. But then again, with the drafting of Brandon Jacobs we may run a two back system. Who knows?

[OssMan]

Take into account also that he ran for 1,518 yards behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. If he had been rushing behind even a decent O-line he would be putting up ridiculous numbers.

[AlphaBean]

Take into account also that he ran for 1,518 yards behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. If he had been rushing behind even a decent O-line he would be putting up ridiculous numbers.

Yeah, but when you put it that way -- no O-Line, Eli at QB... you have to wonder... maybe teams let Tiki run?

I mean, if you were beating the Giants by 14 points, would you be putting 8 in the box and risking a long TD? Or would you allow the run, taking time off the clock to speed up the inevitable?

It's a thinker, init?

I mean, how much of a threat were the Barry Sanders Lions, the Chiefs despite their "explosive offense," or the Chargers before last year?

[Lotus]

Jerry Rice retired :'(

About time. He wasn't going to do shit with the Broncos, and just doing all that team-hopping kinda degrades his legacy a bit. Thank God he never played a game for them. But yeah, I'm sad to see him go, even with all of that said. I appreciate his 3 years of service to Oakland.

[AlphaBean]

He shouldn't have retired, really. He's a legend, he can still produce, and he's a great asset to have on your team. He can show your younger WRs how it's done.

[MoRcHeEbA]

anyone know if Rice did or plans to sign a one day contract with the 49ers then retire?

[AlphaBean]

The way the 49ers treat players, I'd rather sign somewhere awesome, like Baltimore. Retire as a Raven, that's the way to go. You and Ray Lewis in the HOF together.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

He shouldn't have retired, really. He's a legend, he can still produce, and he's a great asset to have on your team. He can show your younger WRs how it's done.

Ron Mexico -> Rice :yes:

[AlphaBean]

Sounds good to me. Ronny can move around and give Rice enough time to laboriously make it through his route before throwing a shitty pass that Rice has the skill and body control to come down with.

Match made in heaven.

[BCWWF]

I found this to be kind of interesting. ESPN.com's poll is "What team do you expect to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl?" And the response has been overwhelmingly Colts. It has that thing where you can look at how people voted in each state, and besides New England and Wyoming every state is Colts. (By New England, I mean every state east of New York is Pats)

[BCWWF]

I voted for the Pats btw. Maybe the overwhelming Boston presence on this board has me thinking differently now?

[RP]

I voted for the Pats btw. Maybe the overwhelming Boston presence on this board has me thinking differently now?

Thats safe to say.:cool:

[Gonzo]

Yeah, but when you put it that way -- no O-Line, Eli at QB... you have to wonder... maybe teams let Tiki run?

I mean, if you were beating the Giants by 14 points, would you be putting 8 in the box and risking a long TD? Or would you allow the run, taking time off the clock to speed up the inevitable?

It's a thinker, init?

I mean, how much of a threat were the Barry Sanders Lions, the Chiefs despite their "explosive offense," or the Chargers before last year?

I think the only reason that Tiki wasn't the rushing champion last year was because towards the end of the year, when our passing game went downhill we became one dimensional and teams geared their defense towards the run. Tiki was on a roll until then.

[Lotus]

I voted for the Pats btw. Maybe the overwhelming Boston presence on this board has me thinking differently now?

Yeah, you can't really go against the Pats, even though they will lose their season opener :cool:.

[AlphaBean]

I think the only reason that Tiki wasn't the rushing champion last year was because towards the end of the year, when our passing game went downhill we became one dimensional and teams geared their defense towards the run. Tiki was on a roll until then.

Oh right, I forgot that teams had to double team Amani Toomer, and keep a spy on the QB at all times, because Kurt Warner and Eli Manning were such a threat to scramble.

[VonErich Lives]

I found this to be kind of interesting. ESPN.com's poll is "What team do you expect to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl?" And the response has been overwhelmingly Colts. It has that thing where you can look at how people voted in each state, and besides New England and Wyoming every state is Colts. (By New England, I mean every state east of New York is Pats)


You'd think after 3 superbowls in 4yrs, the Pats wouldn't have the "underdog" mentality to use for motiavation anymore.

Speaking of Motivation, Belicheck went to Pitt and did a pre-game talk to the ND team.

Tiki is and always has been an amazing athlete. Sad part is it is his 8th or 9th year and his prime is past him.

Ok,
1) if it's true that before last season he couldn't bench 1/2 his own weight then you lost the "amazing athlete" right there, especially for a football player.

2) If he was or is such an amazing athlete why did it take him 8 or 9 years to show it?

3) Under your defitition wouldn't almost all NFL players be amazing athletes? or are you going by the true defition in which case most "amazing athletes" aren't necceseraly "good or great" football players?

I think the only reason that Tiki wasn't the rushing champion last year was because towards the end of the year, when our passing game went downhill we became one dimensional and teams geared their defense towards the run. Tiki was on a roll until then.

Ok, that explains last year, which was was his best year ever. I don't care about the "amazing althlete" crap, Tony Simmons was an amazing althlete, Car Lewis is an amazing athlete, Lance Armstrong is an amazing athlete, none are good football players.

Now, if you want to discuss good v. great football players. Let Tiki put up last years numbers, (including holding onto the ball) for another year or two, or put up less numbers (still holding onto the ball) and we'll see stats on other players so it wasn't a case of less stats for him, just less carries because they shared the ball... Then, we can talk "great". Although, if his opportunity goes down a lot, then you'd have to ask if he's so great, why take away the ball from him? Why draft Ron Dayne? why... never mind, check back after the season and we can discuss this, or during the season if he gets benched.

[RP]

I just heard someone on the radio say that the NFL layed the Colts schedule out for them to get home field and go to the superbowl. What a crock of shit. New England had a similiar schedule last year and no one said this? Here it is. Tell me what you think about this theorie and not just RP hating. What do you honestly think?

Sun 9/11 at Baltimore 8:30 pm
Sun 9/18 Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 9/25 Cleveland 1:00 pm
Sun 10/2 at Tennessee 1:00 pm
Sun 10/9 at San Francisco 4:05 pm
Mon 10/17 St. Louis 9:00 pm
Sun 10/23 at Houston 1:00 pm
bye
Mon 11/7 at New England 9:00 pm
Sun 11/13 Houston 1:00 pm
Sun 11/20 at Cincinnati 1:00 pm
Mon 11/28 Pittsburgh 9:00 pm
Sun 12/4 Tennessee 1:00 pm
Sun 12/11 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 12/18 San Diego 1:00 pm
Sat 12/24 at Seattle 4:15 pm
Sun 1/1 Arizona 1:00

The first game of the season is far from a cupcake. Then they have a good Jacksonville team. Then its cake from there until St. Louis ( Who i think could contend for a SB this year ). New England sandwiched with a couple of Houston games , then we go to the Natti. The host Pitt on MNF. That stretch will be very tuff. Texans are improved, Bengals are on the brink of a playoff berth, New England and Pitt speak for them selves.Couple division games and then we end with San Diego, Seattle, and Arizona. All could be playing for a playoff spot. Anyways just throwing that out there to spark some conversation.

Picked up Rockey Calmus. He could challenge for the starting MLB spot this mid season. I think Brackett may be real good this year. Love the depth though.

[Gonzo]

lol VEL you're off your hinges. From 02-04 he put up over 1000 yards. In 01 he only put up around 800, missing two games that year. In 00 he put up over 1000. Before that he wasn't really the only back the Giants used. In the beginning of his career it was thought he wasn't an every down back so he only came in for 3rd downs and used to return punts and that sort of thing.

The only problem he has ever really had was his fumbling, which was just recently for those two seasons before Coughlin arrived. Before that it wasn't really noticed as a huge issue.

I don't really care about all that shit if he can bench his own weight or half his weight or double his weight or can run a 40 in 4.4 or can stand on his head and eat a banana. He can play football, I'd take him over 90% of the other RB's in the league and thats all that matters to me.

[VonErich Lives]

lol VEL you're off your hinges. From 02-04 he put up over 1000 yards. In 01 he only put up around 800, missing two games that year. In 00 he put up over 1000. Before that he wasn't really the only back the Giants used. In the beginning of his career it was thought he wasn't an every down back so he only came in for 3rd downs and used to return punts and that sort of thing.

The only problem he has ever really had was his fumbling, which was just recently for those two seasons before Coughlin arrived. Before that it wasn't really noticed as a huge issue.

I don't really care about all that shit if he can bench his own weight or half his weight or double his weight or can run a 40 in 4.4 or can stand on his head and eat a banana. He can play football, I'd take him over 90% of the other RB's in the league and thats all that matters to me.


Spoken like a true homer.

First you claim he's always been a great athlete, then you say you don't care about that stuff.

You pull stats that make him "good" not great.

You brush off a problem, "Fumbling" that has the ability to change a game, cost a game, a division a playoff birth, etc.... A problem that has cost many a good RB their job.

I'm not saying he isn't a good RB, I'm saying he's not great. Let's see what he does this year and we can consider the tearm "great". Let him do it 3yrs in a row, then you can really talk "great" but one "great" year, doesn't make a "great" RB.

[VonErich Lives]

RP,

I don't think anyone stacked the schedule for anyone. No idea how the Colts schedule this year compares to the Pats last year, don't really care. the better teams are supposed to get the tougher schedule, plus your division. You can't account for players a team lost or having a crappy division. Hence why teams like SF used to have such an easy time going 12-4, because the other teams in that Div sucked.

The only change the NFL did do last year was New England always went to Miami early in the season and played in the heat and Miami alwyas came here in December. Last year they reversed it, and took a look a "home field" advantage, sending hot and dome teams (Minn, Atl, NO, Miami, SD) into the cold late in the year (NE, NY, Buffalo, Pitt, Chicago).

This year, they seem to have done away with that, actually weather wise, the pats have a great nov/dec schedule.

host: Indy, NO, NYJ, TB, Miami.
Visit: Miami, KC, Buffalo, NYJ.

I do remember Dungy syaing something about not wanting to play NE again week #1, because it means losing homefield advantage with the whole seasons till ahead. (not an exact quote, but he said something like that).

But as I said, with the exception of changing the home/away games last year, which had no effect, I don't think the NFL sets up anyone with an "easy" schedule.

[RP]

Yah i pretty much agree. Besides i think the schedules are made like 4 years ahead of time.

I dont think Dungy said that either thats just New England propaganda.;)

[VonErich Lives]

I dont think Dungy said that either thats just New England propaganda.;)


Of course, Tony Dungy never says anything negative, never makes excuses, never says anything stupid and complains.

Kinda like you never wrongly predict "this will be the year" for the colts just to have them come up short.

[RP]

If he said it then find the quote.

[VonErich Lives]

a little trip down memory lane...


Patriots as of now are the best team in the NFL. ( as tough as it is for me to say that )

But i guarantee you The Colts will get a crack at them in the Playoffs . I think we will win.


Its about pride. We know we can beat them.




To be the man you have to beat the man.

Its gunna happen too.



and of course, my favorite!
I was 10.

My point is...

Man this is so hard for me to say.

The New England Patriots are the best team i've seen since i've been a fan of the NFL. Better then Dallas, San Fran, Greenbay, and Denver.

I've never seen a team go from one week holding the best offense in the league and maybe ever to 3 points. Then putting 41 points on the Best defense in the league. When you have that kind of range. Your simply the best in my opinion. Your coach is a certified genious. Your qb is a poster child for winning titles. Your defense is hard nosed never give up never say die always make the big plays defense. You have atleast 8-9 future hall of famers on the team when its all said and done. The Patriots are simply put ... The best i've ever seen.

[RP]

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?

Also how can you qoute someone like Dungy with some really stupid comment and not even know what was actually said. Then make an argument out of it?

[RP]

I do remember Dungy syaing something about not wanting to play NE again week #1, because it means losing homefield advantage with the whole seasons till ahead. (not an exact quote, but he said something like that).

Thats the most retarded thing you've ever posted. Thats like me saying " I remember Belichek saying something about not wanting to play the Colts on there home field because they were really fast( not exact quote, but he said something like that )"

Come the fuck on. Get your fucking facts straight or dont post about it at all. You obviously love the Patriots and you obviously dont like the Colts. Do you even realise how stupid that retarded quote of yours looked?

If i said some shit like that. Every Patriots fan on this board would take there dicks outta MoRcHeEbA's mouth and fill 3 pages of crying bullshit about " What has my team done lately " Get outta here.

[MoRcHeEbA]

Tony Dungy can't win shit

[RP]

Beautiful timing.

[VonErich Lives]

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?

Also how can you qoute someone like Dungy with some really stupid comment and not even know what was actually said. Then make an argument out of it?


I do remember Dungy syaing something about not wanting to play NE again week #1, because it means losing homefield advantage with the whole seasons till ahead. (not an exact quote, but he said something like that).

Thats the most retarded thing you've ever posted. Thats like me saying " I remember Belichek saying something about not wanting to play the Colts on there home field because they were really fast( not exact quote, but he said something like that )"

Come the fuck on. Get your fucking facts straight or dont post about it at all. You obviously love the Patriots and you obviously dont like the Colts. Do you even realise how stupid that retarded quote of yours looked?

If i said some shit like that. Every Patriots fan on this board would take there dicks outta MoRcHeEbA's mouth and fill 3 pages of crying bullshit about " What has my team done lately " Get outta here.


Someone's already having a temper tantrum and the season hasn't even started yet.

1) My point of quoting you was to show you predict this stuff year after year, so when the Colts finally (ok, "if they") beat the Pats, don't give us this "I told you" crap. When you predict it every single time, being right once doesn't mean much.

2) I do have my facts straight, if you have a site with ESPN transcripts then I'll do a search.

3) Yes, I'm a pats fan.

4) No, I don't hate the Colts, your just very over defensive of them and can't handle any critisism of them and have them on this high peditstal that they have not earned.

5) No, if Belicheck said that we'd ackowledge it. The funny thing is, even if Belicheck did say that, it's not as bad as feeling a game week #1 vs. 1 team will decide home field advantage for the playoffs.

6) Patriots fans? crying? huh? look at your own team/posts, you're confusing crying with tears of joy and celebraton

7) Every Patriots fan on this board would take there dicks outta MoRcHeEbA's mouth

Thats the most retarded thing you've ever posted.

Come the fuck on. Get your fucking facts straight or dont post about it at all.

Do you even realise how stupid that retarded quote of yours looked?


Really, everyone knows all patriots fans on this board, couldn't have our dicks in MoRcHeEbA's mouth, when everyone knows we put on a Brady jersey, put a Manning jersey on your mother and stick our dicks up her ass! By the way, reminder her to have an enema or two before the season starts!


Disclaimer! I'm not taking this personal, have nothing personal against you or the colts (team I hate the most is the Dolphins and recently the Steelrs joined the list) or your mother, I just felt you're taking this waaaaaaaaaaaay too personal, and the comment about our hockey playing mountie was uncalled for, so I tried going to your level for a min... the whole "The more names I call you the more right I am/kane knight school of posting" and it's kinda fun, takes little thought and you don't have to read what someone else posts or consider if you're right or wrong... I think I could do this for awhile.

[Gonzo]

Spoken like a true homer.

First you claim he's always been a great athlete, then you say you don't care about that stuff.

You pull stats that make him "good" not great.

You brush off a problem, "Fumbling" that has the ability to change a game, cost a game, a division a playoff birth, etc.... A problem that has cost many a good RB their job.

I'm not saying he isn't a good RB, I'm saying he's not great. Let's see what he does this year and we can consider the tearm "great". Let him do it 3yrs in a row, then you can really talk "great" but one "great" year, doesn't make a "great" RB.

I don't disagree with you in the fact he is "great". Everyone holds different standards for that anyway so its hard to determine that. I would say that Tiki is in the top 10 in the NFL right now, I don't think most would disagree with that. He had a fumbling problem for a year, year and half but other than that Tiki has never had any problems. He is a staple of the Giants franchise right now. He is a player. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely other backs I would take given the chance but I like Tiki.

[VonErich Lives]

I don't disagree with you in the fact he is "great". Everyone holds different standards for that anyway so its hard to determine that. I would say that Tiki is in the top 10 in the NFL right now, I don't think most would disagree with that. He had a fumbling problem for a year, year and half but other than that Tiki has never had any problems. He is a staple of the Giants franchise right now. He is a player. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely other backs I would take given the chance but I like Tiki.

Top 10RB right now, oh yeah, I'd agree with that. I still want to see him do it again this year though, or come close if he loses goal line to that rookie.

As for the fumbles.

Year G GS Att Fumbles
1997 12 6 136 3
1998 16 4 52 1
1999 16 1 62 5
2000 16 12 213 9
2001 14 9 166 8
2002 16 15 304 9
2003 16 16 278 9
2004 16 14 322 5



He had a fumbling problem for a year, year and half

I'm sorry, which 12-18 months period were you talking about? :D

[OssMan]

I thought he only had like one fumble in 2004 but it was barely even a fumble because he covered it right away. When were the others

[Gonzo]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1218

Dunno where you grabbed those numbers. 8 and 9 fumbles in one season? Nah he doesn't have THAT big a problem. I'm hoping just as much as you are that he performs well again.

[Gonzo]

Woops double post.

[SammyG]

That guy from Around the horn, smith, predicted my Rams to win the superbowl! We really can contend this year, if the offensive line holds up, and our defense executes. Too bad im im fucking greece and the only info i get will be through the internet. :(

[AlphaBean]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1218

Dunno where you grabbed those numbers. 8 and 9 fumbles in one season? Nah he doesn't have THAT big a problem. I'm hoping just as much as you are that he performs well again.

Scroll down to his receiving stats. There is a column titled "fumbles."

Read it.

[AlphaBean]

That guy from Around the horn, smith, predicted my Rams to win the superbowl! We really can contend this year, if the offensive line holds up, and our defense executes. Too bad im im fucking greece and the only info i get will be through the internet. :(

If everyone's line holds up, and everyone's defense executes, then everyone will be able to contend for the superbowl.

[Nervous Ferret]

12 fumbles. 2 lost. :(

[Crimson]

Rams in the superbowl?? Somebody else in espn picks the 'skins?? do they pay these guys to make stupid predictions or what.

[OssMan]

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS BABY 2005 GONNA SHOCK THE WORLD

[OssMan]

AssMan presents a recap of the last 5 years in Redskin Fan history

2001 - Skins got Marty Schottenheimer: SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!
2002 - Skins got Steve Spurrier: SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!!!!
2003 - Skins got Patrick Ramsey: SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!!!
2004 - Skins got Clinton Portis AND Joe Gibbs: SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!
2005 - Skins drafted another quarterback? Lavar Arrington is healthy? SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!

[AlphaBean]

Give it 1-2 more years for the team and Gibbs to be on the same page, and they'll be unstoppable. Remember: Gibbs's style may be boring, but it is definitely not outdated, and can lead to success in the NFL.

[RP]

Someone's already having a temper tantrum and the season hasn't even started yet.

1) My point of quoting you was to show you predict this stuff year after year, so when the Colts finally (ok, "if they") beat the Pats, don't give us this "I told you" crap. When you predict it every single time, being right once doesn't mean much.

2) I do have my facts straight, if you have a site with ESPN transcripts then I'll do a search.

3) Yes, I'm a pats fan.

4) No, I don't hate the Colts, your just very over defensive of them and can't handle any critisism of them and have them on this high peditstal that they have not earned.

5) No, if Belicheck said that we'd ackowledge it. The funny thing is, even if Belicheck did say that, it's not as bad as feeling a game week #1 vs. 1 team will decide home field advantage for the playoffs.

6) Patriots fans? crying? huh? look at your own team/posts, you're confusing crying with tears of joy and celebraton

7)

Thats the most retarded thing you've ever posted.

Come the fuck on. Get your fucking facts straight or dont post about it at all.

Do you even realise how stupid that retarded quote of yours looked?


Really, everyone knows all patriots fans on this board, couldn't have our dicks in MoRcHeEbA's mouth, when everyone knows we put on a Brady jersey, put a Manning jersey on your mother and stick our dicks up her ass! By the way, reminder her to have an enema or two before the season starts!


Disclaimer! I'm not taking this personal, have nothing personal against you or the colts (team I hate the most is the Dolphins and recently the Steelrs joined the list) or your mother, I just felt you're taking this waaaaaaaaaaaay too personal, and the comment about our hockey playing mountie was uncalled for, so I tried going to your level for a min... the whole "The more names I call you the more right I am/kane knight school of posting" and it's kinda fun, takes little thought and you don't have to read what someone else posts or consider if you're right or wrong... I think I could do this for awhile.



1) I dont care if you qoute me. I stand by everything said. I didnt really predict anything in those comments either. I basically said we had a chance and a good one. Ofcourse i probably predicted some shit in other quotes tho :shifty: I also gave you Patriots fans a great deal of respect after they beat the Colts. Dont diminish that shit. I was being a man about it. 2 games i thought we would win and all of a sudden i lose the right to brag about a possible victory over the Pats? Never will happen. Expect me shitting brick on this thread if we beat the Pats. You should take that as a compliment too. It means they are the best and have been unbeatable to us.


2) I'm pretty positive you dont have your facts straight. I'm not gunna do research . You do it. You made the comment and i say your wrong. Prove me wrong. ( I understand this may not be possible , but you say you heard or read it. So find it )

3) Yes i know and i enjoy arguing with you.

4) I am defensive sometimes. I live and die with my team. You guys are sometimes too. I can handle critisicm. I critize my own team alot. I dont like people posting stupid qoutes they say they heard . Atleast post it verbatem and dont take it out of context. Post a source or something. Otherwise thats insulting.

5) Wow more bullshit.

6)You're the champs :-\\

7) Cheeba has dished her own to me tons of times. She can take it. She's a big girl. Its nothing personal to me. Just shit talk. I leave this board and leave the house. I dont think about anything having to do with this board. Therefore nothing personal.

[RP]

I hate Michael Irvin. He's so annoying. You can tell Steve Young wants to punch Irvin in the mouth. He always interupts Young and T.J when its there time to speak.

[SammyG]

Michael Irvin was the shit in the longest yard remake

[VonErich Lives]

RP - in a note on your schedule thing.

The toughest schedule in the league this year is the Dolphins.
Second is the Pats.

People were bitching, cause the Pats are supposed to have the toughest, then some realised, the only difference is the Pats play the Phins twice and the Phins play the Pats twice, hence the difference in difficulty.

[MoRcHeEbA]

LETS GO RAIDERS...


:love: MOSS :love:

[Nervous Ferret]

I made a "season" thread. :cool:

[Rain Man]

Uh Ohhhhh TD Raidas

[AlphaBean]

RANDY MOSS

+MOTHERFUCKING