NBA 2006-2007 Season Thread

[Joey Slugs]

Mavs win again

[BCWWF]

FUck that, at least Foye is coming out now. Two big nights in a row.

Also, Jazz are fading apparently. CNM may have himself a point within a few days.

[DaveWadding]

The Jazz were a flash in the pan. But they aren't gonna fade.

[CNM]

nice loss btw. those magic are tough

Orlando 88, Utah 75

[RP]

roflcopter

[Gertner]

yup, 12-3. what a shit record.

nice loss to the craptors btw RP

[Gertner]

whew, big win for my jazz over the spurs

[RP]

LOL@ Nate Robinson

[Joey Slugs]

NBA.com Power Ranking Top 5 for 11/30/06
The rest are HERE (http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/).

<table class="top5" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="4" class="tableImage">http://www.nba.com/media/homepage/subhdr_top5.gif</td></tr> <tr class="TableHead"> <td align="center" width="30">
</td> <td align="center" width="145">TEAM (LAST WK) </td> <td align="center" width="45">REC.</td> <td align="center">BREAKDOWN</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">1</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/dal_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/mavericks/) Dallas (4)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="40">11-4</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">Mavs longest winning streak in franchise history is 14 games. Contests this week vs. Kings, Wizards and Nets could equal that mark.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="45" valign="middle" width="30">2</td> <td class="TableEven" height="45" width="145">http://www.nba.com/media/uta_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/jazz/) Utah (1)</td> <td class="TableEven" align="center" height="45" width="45">13-3</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">Carlos Boozer has tallied a double-double in 13 of the team's 16 contests this year. Two of the three when he didn't resulted in Ls, including Saturday's loss to Golden State.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="45" valign="middle" width="30">3</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="45" width="145">http://www.nba.com/media/sas_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/spurs/) San Antonio (2)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="40">11-5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">With Ginobili on ice, the Spurs have dropped three of the last four, including the last two road games where the team had previously been undefeated.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">4</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/orl_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/magic/) Orlando (8)</td> <td class="TableEven" align="center" height="45" width="45">12-4</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">The Magic won only 10 road games last season. They've been on the positive side of the ledger in five games in November this year.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/det_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/pistons/) Detroit (11)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="40">9-5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">Detroit's 9-1 this season in back-to-back sets. The Pistons play two straight vs. the Heat and Knicks before getting a day off between matches with Charlotte and Portland.</td></tr></tbody></table>
Dallas Baby!

[RoXer]

The only thing Gertner likes about the Jazz is AK's hair.

[RP]

LOL Gertner


KOBEEEEEEEEEE!

[Gertner]

lol wow, kobe kicked us in the teeth

[DaveWadding]

Suns win #6 in a row. We're back, baby!

[RP]

Luke Ridnour is one of my personal favorte players in the league, but seriously....


Fuck Luke Ridnour.

[Gertner]

jazz still rolling along

[BCWWF]

Wolves

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Celtics still suck...ALRIGHT!

[RP]

God i hate Stephen Jackson

[Buzzkill]

UPDATE: Michael Redd is still way more ridiculous than he should be.

[Joey Slugs]

Bulls win 6 in a row. Hot.

[Joey Slugs]

NBA.com Power Ranking Top 5 for 12/07/06
The rest are HERE (http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/).

<table class="top5" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="4" class="tableImage">http://www.nba.com/media/homepage/subhdr_top5.gif</td></tr> <tr class="TableHead"> <td align="center" width="30">
</td> <td align="center" width="145">TEAM (LAST WK) </td> <td align="center" width="45">REC.</td> <td align="center">BREAKDOWN</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">1</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/dal_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/mavericks/) Dallas (1)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="40">13-5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">I'm willing to overlook the slow start in Washington and say the streak's alive at 14. That okay with everybody? No? Well, they're still No. 1 after cutting down the Nets.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="45" valign="middle" width="30">2</td> <td class="TableEven" height="45" width="145">http://www.nba.com/media/uta_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/jazz/) Utah (2)</td> <td class="TableEven" align="center" height="45" width="45">15-4</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">Note to Wolves, Mavs and Clips if you want to pick up a W on the Jazz this week, get out early. In all four losses this season, Utah trailed at the half.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="45" valign="middle" width="30">3</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="45" width="145">http://www.nba.com/media/sas_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/spurs/) San Antonio (3)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="40">14-5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">It's good to have Manu in action. The Spurs dropped two of four he sat, but blew out the Warriors and Bobcats in his two games back.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">4</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/orl_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/magic/) Orlando (4)</td> <td class="TableEven" align="center" height="45" width="45">14-6</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">Orlando is one of only four East teams that are .500-plus vs. the West. Most impressive, though, is the Magic just went 4-1 on the road out west.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/pho_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/suns/) Phoenix (6)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="45" width="45">10-6</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">Need convincing that Amare's feeling better? How 'bout 18.9 ppg and 10.6 rpg in 30.6 mpg over the last 10 games -- six of which were of the 20-10 variety.</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Joey Slugs]

Suns over the Nets... 161-157 in 2OT...

WOW!

[Joey Slugs]

They had the game on at the bar we went to tonight... seriously one of the best games I have ever seen in any sport. It was that good.

[BCWWF]

Jason Kidd has a solid fantasy night for me :D

[DaveWadding]

Steve Nash > your favorite player

[Ninti the Mad]

I wouldnt be proud of such a high scoring game.

Such piss poor defense.

[Gertner]

Steve Nash > your favorite player

except Boozer!:D

[BCWWF]

I wouldnt be proud of such a high scoring game.

Such piss poor defense.

It was also double overtime, so it's not like it was scoring 160 points in regulation.

[RP]

Jamal Tinsley must be on steroids, because he's playing really good.

Hey btw. I want Iverson. I think theirs maybe 3-4 guys in the league with more physical talent then him, but theirs no one in the league with more toughness or heart. I hope Indy someone talks King into taking Stephen Jackson and probably O'neil. Give us Iverson and Korver . Iverson and Tinsley in the backcourt would be sick.

[BCWWF]

I don't think the Wolves are going to get Iverson. I made a trade that would work on ESPN's trade machine: Hudson, Jaric, Blount for Iverson. I'd do that, but right now there is no point of mixing things up a lot.

Also, Jazz are fading. Learn the new Big 3: KG-MJ-RD

[Gertner]

jazz are hardll fading. they still have a big lead

[BCWWF]

They have also played four more games than the Nuggets.

[RP]

I don't think the Wolves are going to get Iverson. I made a trade that would work on ESPN's trade machine: Hudson, Jaric, Blount for Iverson. I'd do that, but right now there is no point of mixing things up a lot.

Also, Jazz are fading. Learn the new Big 3: KG-MJ-RD

:lol: that trade

[RP]

I really hope Indiana makes an attempt to trade Jermaine O'neal. I love the guy. He's a good person and he plays hard when he's out there. He's having a good year , but these little ankle and hamstring injuries are pissing me off. Its a constant thing with him. And with Indiana basically going uptempo this season, I think it would make sense for them to try to trade O'neal while he still has value. Three guys i think would fit here perfectly. Ray Allen, Paul Peirce and Allen Iverson. If we got one of those guys, we could make a run for not only the #1 seed in the East, but a championship too. Maybe we could even get rid of Stephen Jackson in the process. Who knows.

[Buzzkill]

haha wow nuggets have 74 in the first half

[RP]

J.R. Smith and Melo are BALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLINNNNNNNNN right now for real.

[RP]

2006-07 NBA Regular Season Standings
2006-07 NBA Regular Season Standings

2006-07 Season 2006-07 Preseason 2005-06 Season 2004-05 Season 2003-04 Season 2002-03 Season
Eastern Conference Standings
Atlantic W L Pct GB Home Road Div Conf Streak L10

New Jersey 7 11 .389 -- 4-6 3-5 3-0 6-3 Lost 2 2-8

Toronto 7 12 .368 0.5 5-2 2-10 3-1 6-5 Lost 2 5-5

New York 7 14 .333 1.5 2-8 5-6 1-2 4-9 Lost 1 3-7

Boston 5 13 .278 2.0 3-8 2-5 1-3 4-9 Lost 5 3-7

Philadelphia 5 13 .278 2.0 3-4 2-9 0-2 4-9 Lost 6 1-9

[Ninti the Mad]

It was also double overtime, so it's not like it was scoring 160 points in regulation.

I know that. Its still way high.

[RGWhat316]

Pistons are back on a winning streak with 2 now. Dunno how we can beat Dallas by 10, yet lose to Portland and Charlotte! There almost seems to be an on/off switch on how they play. Chauncey was on it with 31 points last night to beat Orlando.

[BCWWF]

Wolves!

[RP]

Someone save me from Stephen Jackson. please o please.

[Gertner]

lol I thought immediatly thought of RP when i saw that story

[DaveWadding]

10 in a row.

[Gertner]

utah 101, Dallas 79.

Yup, we're fading alright :)

[Joey Slugs]

they are bringing back the old leather balls on Jan. 1st

[RoXer]

I do not see a Hero joke in there. At all. Period.

[Gertner]

lol

[DaveWadding]

Heat are going to be without Wade vs. the Suns tonight (wisdom teeth removal)

YESSSSSSSS

[RP]

Indiana is making a strong push to get A.I. Apparently offering Tinsley and a couple others. And Iverson said he wants to go to Indiana. I bet it happens unless the Sixers ask for Granger in the deal. Then it'd be no deal.

[CNM]

There's a pretty good chance A.I. will end up a Nugget. Depends on Portland agreeing to be the third team in the trade.

[BCWWF]

Indiana is making a strong push to get A.I. Apparently offering Tinsley and a couple others. And Iverson said he wants to go to Indiana. I bet it happens unless the Sixers ask for Granger in the deal. Then it'd be no deal.

First of all, Allen Iverson didn't say shit. An anonymous source said that Iverson said something, and as it has been shown, anonymous sources don't mean anything.

Second, if Jamal Tinsley is the marquee name going to Philly in this trade, I will cut off a testicle and send it to you via UPS.

[Gertner]

k i heard this on the radio today. a broadcastor said if AI were to retire he'd be the best nba player to not win a title.


r u friggen kidding me

[DaveWadding]

Steve Nash > you and everyone you know

[RP]

First of all, Allen Iverson didn't say shit. An anonymous source said that Iverson said something, and as it has been shown, anonymous sources don't mean anything.

Second, if Jamal Tinsley is the marquee name going to Philly in this trade, I will cut off a testicle and send it to you via UPS.


Apparently you havent watched Jamaal Tinsley lately. Theirs maybe 3-5 pur point guards in the NBA right now. He's one of them.

[Gertner]

lol there's very few point guards that average a whopping 12 points and 6 assists.

thems hall of fame numbers

Deron Williams > Jamal Tinsley

[BCWWF]

Gilbert Arenas, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, Baron Davis, Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul, Jason Terry, Deron Williams, Kirk Hinrich, Mike Bibby, Jarrett Jack, Andre Miller, all point guards I would rather have on my team than Jamal Tinsley.

Who gives a shit if he is a "pure point guard?" All that means is that he can't score. If I wanted a guard that can't score, Jason Kidd is 100x the player Tinsley is. And being a "pure point guard" doesn't mean that Tinsley is anything close to Kidd, Nash, Paul etc. If the Sixers were going to trade with Indiana, I am sure there would be a more appealing centerpiece than Tinsley.

[Joey Slugs]

NBA.com Power Ranking Top 5 for 12/14/06
The rest are HERE (http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/).

<table class="top5" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="4" class="tableImage">http://www.nba.com/media/homepage/subhdr_top5.gif</td></tr> <tr class="TableHead"> <td align="center" width="30">
</td> <td align="center" width="145">TEAM (LAST WK) </td> <td align="center" width="45">REC.</td> <td align="center">BREAKDOWN</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">1</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/pho_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/suns/) Phoenix (5)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="45" width="45">15-6</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">Sure, the Suns have only beaten two teams with a record better than .500 on their 12-game streak, but no slip-ups — even on the road for four — is impressive no less.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="45" valign="middle" width="30">2</td> <td class="TableEven" height="45" width="145">http://www.nba.com/media/sas_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/spurs/) San Antonio (3)</td> <td class="TableEven" align="center" height="40">17-6</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">The Spurs are big winners of late. For the first time in franchise history, they won three straight games by 20-plus, then repeated the feat vs. the Clips after a loss to Lakers.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="45" valign="middle" width="30">3</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="45" width="145">http://www.nba.com/media/uta_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/jazz/) Utah (2)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="45" width="45">17-5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">Congratulations, Coach Sloan. It's been 22 seasons in the making, but now you can focus on win No. 1,002 on Friday vs. Sacramento.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">4</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/dal_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/mavericks/) Dallas (1)</td> <td class="TableEven" align="center" height="40">15-7</td> <td class="TableEven" height="40">Since rattling off 12 straight wins, the Mavs cooled before last night's win over L.A., dropping three of five, while posting only 91.0 ppg on 42 percent shooting.</td></tr> <tr> <td class="TableRank" align="center" height="40" valign="middle">5</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">http://www.nba.com/media/det_25px.gif (http://www.nba.com/pistons/) Detroit (6)</td> <td class="TableOdd" align="center" height="45" width="45">13-8</td> <td class="TableOdd" height="40">It's a pretty simple concept, really: Move the ball and good things happen. Detroit is 10-2 when it registers 20-plus assists in a game; 3-6 when it doesn't.</td></tr></tbody></table>

[RP]

Pacers vs Jazz in a couple of nights. Gertner will probably no show if his Jazz lose

[Gertner]

lol the Pacers are gonna get fucked. They have no answer for the three headed monster of Kirlenko-Okur-Boozer.

I guess we will see how all world point guard jamal tinsley matches up

[BCWWF]

Please tell Kirlenko to get back into his old form, for the sake of my Fantasy Team.

[Gertner]

he's their 4th option now BCWWF. He's just there for defence. No need for him to score

[BCWWF]

I didn't draft him to play defense :mad:

[Gertner]

lol!


btw stupid jazz blowing a 16 point lead!

[RP]

Carmelo Anthony is a punk ass bitch for real and Nate Robinson will get his head knocked off literally in the future, cause he's a little punk too. He's lucky Smith only tackled him instead of chin checking him. But Anthony punching Collins and then back trotting from the one end to the other, was probably the funniest thing i've ever seen. What a bitch.

How many times will we hear this line " We havent seen violence like this since the Brawl at the Palace." Thx ESPN.. we know.

[CNM]

LOL yeah, Melo's punch was completely unprovoked:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061217/capt.msg10912170346.aptopix_nuggets_knicks_basketball_msg109.jpg

[Crimson]

Yea 'Melo looked like a bitch, 'punching' Jeffries then backstepping the fullcourt, at least stay in their and throw down if you're gonna throw a punch.

[BCWWF]

I used to dislike Carmelo, but over time I think he is a respectable guy. Granted I haven't seen this fight yet, but I am already blaming the Knicks.

[Skippord]

Wait when did the Nuggets get black jerseys?

[RP]

LOL yeah, Melo's punch was completely unprovoked:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061217/capt.msg10912170346.aptopix_nuggets_knicks_basketball_msg109.jpg

He didnt punch Jared Jeffries. He punched Collins and please dont bring this bullshit " I post a picture and form a whole opinion " junk. Did you watch the video?

[CNM]

LOL, I watched the game live. Nice try though.

[RP]

You're an idiot then. Let me explain what happend. Cause i've watched the clip 30 times, cause ESPN wears stories out.

First of all lets start with Collins. This guy should be suspended for atleast 5 games. Reason being is because not only did he do this same type of foul tonight, but he did it to Indiana when they were blowing the Knicks out. Same exact foul.

Nate Robinson is a fucking moron and honestly, he probably should get the biggest suspension. If this was a remake of " The Brawl at the Palace ", Nate Robinson would undoubtedly be Stephen Jackson. Once the initial foul and chest bumping accured and Melo and some others entered the picture to kind of break apart people, thats when Nasty Nate single handedly boiled this thing over. If you watch the clip. He starts jumping around with his chest out and his fists balled like he's ready to fight someone, then takes a swing at Smith, which made Anthony kind of take a swing/reach for him, then Smith tackled Robinson into the fans. Was funny too, cause Robinson was acting like big shit when he took that swing, then Smith tackled his small ass. Robinson should get alot of the suspension. If not, then the league is stupid.

Your boy " Melo " might be the dumbest basketball player alive tonight. Things were calm and everyone seemed to be getting seperated and this dumb ass walks around and punches Collins in the face for no reason . Collins never touched him. Infact they may have had some words, but Collins had 2 people holding him back and they were seperated by like 5 people. "MELO " proceeds to walk around this whole group and punch this guy.. which btw.. you remember this picture?

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061217/capt.msg10912170346.aptopix_nuggets_knicks_basketball_msg109.jpg

That happend about 15-20 seconds before his actual " punching " of Collins. Jeffries was clearly trying to seperate everyone in the clip, but ofcourse, you being the lone Nugget fan on here, you would post a picture and try to convice people that Anthony was provoked in it. Bull shit. You're the worst fan ever.


The funniest moment of the night tho. As soon as Anthony punched Collins. That fucking coward practically took off running down the other end. Pretty understandable actually cause as soon as he punched the guy, Jared Jeffries turned into Earl Cambell on the basketball court and took off after him. I'm almost positive that if Jeffries didnt have to run someone over to get to Anthony ( who was basically sprinting away like a child who just broke something and didnt want to get in trouble for it ), Jeffried may have murdered Carmelo Anthony right there in MSG.

Carmelo Anthony is a fucking coward. Atleast Stephen Jackson has the balls to run up into the fucking Detroit crowd and throw multiple punches and not give a fuck if he gets his shit split. Anthony, the fake thug he is, took off running down the fucking court like a coward. What a fag. I'm glad he's on your team, cause you can say what you want about the Pacers and there on/and off court problems, but non of them are cowards. They throw a punch, they'll stand there and get punched back like men if they have to. They dont fucking go running across the court like a pussy. Heres something you wont see reported on ESPN. CARMELO ANTHONY IS A PUSSY.

One more thing. If there arent suspension of 15 and 30 fucking games like they did to the Pacers, then fuck the NBA and fuck David Stern. Theirs no difference. I know some might say " well Artest and Jackson struck fans " yah i get that, but a punch is a punch is a punch. A brawl is a brawl and brawling in the fans seats is brawling in the fans seats. Theirs no difference. Whether intentionally or accidently, they put the fans in danger and they had an all out brawl. That was the whole point of the Palace suspensions. If David Stern all of a sudden developes this double standard, then he needs to resign his position.

[RP]

LOL Jeffries runs over one guy who was still holding Melo by his jersey at the time. Then Melo pretty much takes off running, then Jeffries dragged like 5 people for about 10 feet, trying to get to Anthony. And by then, tho the camera didnt show it, i'm sure Anthony was in the nose bleed seats hiding.

[owenbrown]

'Melo is a pussy right there, I agree. :y:

[Zen v.W.o.]

Basketball players really dont know how to fight do they...I heard about a fight in a b-ball game and was like really? Was dissapointed.

[DaveWadding]

LOL RP, way to waste your time. Cause nobody cares.

[Gertner]

lol Jazz up 21 in ther third against indy


stick to sister fucking RP.

[Skippord]

I'm a Nugget fan :(

[Gertner]

Hmmm, boy those Pacers really killed the Jazz eh RP?

Perhaps you and your fellow Indy fans RP can take solace in the fact that the barnyard animals are in heat and ready for some loving.

Thanks for coming out.

Next.

[Gertner]

I'm a Nugget fan :(

it's not like you had a shot of winning the division anyways

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Melo is a pussy, he threw the biggest bitch punch I've ever seen. I thought he was suppose to be a hood nigga from Baltimore? He is a fag

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Basketball players really dont know how to fight do they...I heard about a fight in a b-ball game and was like really? Was dissapointed.
I think I can remember Ben Wallace destoring somebody one time and Jermaine O'Neal knocked out a fan with one punch during that huge brawl in Detroit haha

[BCWWF]

It's funny how there is a bitch fight in basketball and the world is stopping, but in the NHL fighting is essentially encouraged. I mean yeah, you get a penalty, but it's not like you can't stop a fight before it happens, and it's not like standing in a circle and watching is the most effective way to stop it while it's going on. Just kind of funny.

[CNM]

LOL RP, you are a fucking moron. Going into the stands and punching fans is comparable to a fight on the court? Good job writing an essay about nothing.

[Skippord]

It's funny how there is a bitch fight in basketball and the world is stopping, but in the NHL fighting is essentially encouraged. I mean yeah, you get a penalty, but it's not like you can't stop a fight before it happens, and it's not like standing in a circle and watching is the most effective way to stop it while it's going on. Just kind of funny.
Cause Hockey fights are cool

[RP]

Hmmm, boy those Pacers really killed the Jazz eh RP?

Perhaps you and your fellow Indy fans RP can take solace in the fact that the barnyard animals are in heat and ready for some loving.

Thanks for coming out.

Next.

good game

[RP]

LOL RP, you are a fucking moron. Going into the stands and punching fans is comparable to a fight on the court? Good job writing an essay about nothing.


The fight spilled over into the first couple of rows of fans if i'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure there are fan seats there unless they've removed them.

And i'm shocked that out of all that i typed. The one thing you take from that is that comparison. You cant argue for your boy Carmelo Anthony? You're superstar coward.

[BCWWF]

I think the point of RP's post was the Melo cheap shot, which is what should be addressed by CNM.

/Moderator

[RP]

And umm.. I'm not the only person comparing it to the Detroit brawl. Everyone who talk writes or is scene on some type of sports forum whether it be TV, radio, or internet, has started there colums or words out with referencing the Detroit brawl. If there wasnt a comparison to be made, it wouldnt be brought up.

[BCWWF]

In case you haven't realized though, sports writers are not exactly suffering a surplus of ideas, and saying stupid things is not new to many of them.

[Gertner]

good game

wish I could say the same

[RP]

wish I could say the same

Regular season losses happen

[Gertner]

ready to admit my Jazz are for real yet?

[RP]

Updated: Dec. 18, 2006, 1:00 PM ET
Suspensions total 47 games from Knicks-Nuggets fightESPN.com news services


NEW YORK -- The Denver Nuggets were the bigger losers Monday after the NBA handed out penalties in the fight that broke out near the end of Saturday night's game against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden.

Denver's Carmelo Anthony, the NBA's leading scorer, was suspended 15 games for sucker-punching the Knicks' Mardy Collins. Denver teammate J.R. Smith and New York's Nate Robinson also received the stiffest of penalties issued by the league -- 10-game suspensions.

But there was no separate penalty for Knicks coach Isiah Thomas, who had warned Anthony not to go into the lane before the mayhem started Saturday night.

Both franchises were fined $500,000.

"It is our obligation to take the strongest possible steps to avoid such failures in the future and to make a statement to all who follow the game of basketball that we understand our obligations and take them seriously," NBA commissioner David Stern said in a statement.

Collins, whose hard foul of Smith was the flashpoint for the fight, was suspended for six games. Knicks forward Jared Jeffries was suspended for four games, and New York's Jerome James and Denver's Nene were hit with one-game penalties for leaving their respective benches during an on-court altercation.

The NBA is still trying to repair its image after the brawl between Indiana Pacers players and Detroit Pistons fans two years ago.





Thanks for reminding me again ESPN. Remind me 10,000 more times so i dont forget when I BLINK MY FUCKING EYES!

[Crimson]

Pretty fair suspensions I think..Stern does a good job in that regard.

The people at ESPN make some stupid comments alot of the time, last night they were talking about the Cowboys/Eagles game next week, and they kept saying that the Eagles would CLINCH the division with a win. lol idiots

[RP]

Knicks beat the Jazz

Thats keeping it real. For real.

[Gertner]

three games in 4 nights will do that to ya. And the Jazz fucked up the Pacers so what does that say about them?

[D Mac]

Anybody got a vid of the brawl?

[Ninti the Mad]

I'm curious how the Jazz will do.

I remember two seasons ago when Seattle broke out on fire and then injuries got to them and they lost in the second round of the playoffs.

[BCWWF]

I look at Utah as a bit better than that Seattle team, because if I remember the big men on Seattle were like Jerome James. I think AK47, Boozer and Mehmet are a real solid frontcourt, so they have the potential to go a bit further. I'm still not sure if they have what it takes to get beyond the Western Conference finals though, I just can't see them beating the Spurs, Mavs or Suns, maybe even the Lakers, four times.

[Gertner]

I look at Utah as a bit better than that Seattle team, because if I remember the big men on Seattle were like Jerome James. I think AK47, Boozer and Mehmet are a real solid frontcourt, so they have the potential to go a bit further. I'm still not sure if they have what it takes to get beyond the Western Conference finals though, I just can't see them beating the Spurs, Mavs or Suns, maybe even the Lakers, four times.

the suns fear me the most. The Jazz match up well with the Spurs and Lakers.

We just need good backcourt play from Fisher and Williams

[dablackguy]

Supposed deal reached for Iverson between Nuggets and 76ers

Nuggets get:
Iverson

76ers get:
Andre Miller
Joe Smith
2 2007 First Round Picks

I'm meh on the trade. I don't like Iverson because until he plays for you, you have no idea if he's gonna fit into your offensive system. But he will play hard for you every night.

Miller is good, Smith is so-so and the 2 first round pick imo don't mean much because the NBA draft is usually on 5-10 deep in terms of actual NBA ready players

[DaveWadding]

I think CNM just came in his pants.

http://store.nba.com/gp/product/custom-preview/jersey.jpg/105-2455979-5840405?ie=UTF8&league=core&asin=B000JIGLOM&view=back&name=IVERSON&number=3

[Triple A]

Iverson/Anthony/Camby is a pretty crazy combo. Stupid gay Nuggets.

Iverson and Melo are both like the top 2 scorers in the league though. SHOULD BE INTERESTING HWO THAT WORKS OUT.

[CNM]

This is gonna be sick. Say goodbye to 1st place, Jazz.

[BCWWF]

Not for a while. It's a good month until Melo comes back.

I don't know how this will work out. I never thought AI would be a good fit in Denver because AI and Melo both shoot a lot, and miss a lot. I guess we'll see. The place where AI could have been the best was Minnesota, because him and KG would compliment each other great, but I'm glad we didn't give up a shit tonn for him.

Really, it doesn't seem like Denver gave up too much. Andre Miller is expendable, Joe Smith is shit, and for a team like that which is going to be good for a while, first round draft picks aren't as important as if say the Wolves or Warriors made a similar trade.

[CNM]

Melo misses a lot? Shooting over 50% isn't missing a lot in my book.

[Joey Slugs]

Lord.. can't wait until Melo and AI start moping about and bitching because the other is getting the ball too much... the NBA is full of egos... and now two of the biggest will be on one team...

This will be fun watching them implode and fail.

[Joey Slugs]

This is gonna be sick. Say goodbye to 1st place, Jazz.

HA.. don't be too quick with that. AI actually needs to play before you crown them champs.

[CNM]

Funny, I seem to remember a Lakers team with THE two biggest egos in the league winning 3 NBA titles. Or is Kobe now a choirboy?

[Gertner]

Funny, I seem to remember a Lakers team with THE two biggest egos in the league winning 3 NBA titles. Or is Kobe now a choirboy?

shaq and Kobe have two different personalities.

Melo and AI are both assholes


Call me when you get a Frontcourt

[Crimson]

Nah I think it will work out ...they know what they have and they will gameplan as needed. I think they'll just both put up like 95% of their teams shots and their teammates will have to get an offensive board to get a shot.

[D Mac]

It just sounds wierd.

[Joey Slugs]

shaq and Kobe have two different personalities.

Melo and AI are both assholes


Call me when you get a Frontcourt

Point.

[CNM]

Yes, Marcus Camby, Nene and Reggie Evans suck. OK

[BCWWF]

Shaq and Kobe are complementary, AI and Melo aren't.

Shaq is a dominant post player, Kobe is a dominant perimeter shooter

AI and Melo are both primarily shooters. AI is not a true point guard by and sense of the position, besides his height. They could work, I'm not saying they can't, I'm just saying that they both shoot a lot, they both shoot from outside, and that is essentially all they do.

[CNM]

I have a feeling that you don't watch very many Nuggets games. All Melo does is shoot from the outside? No

[Gertner]

Yes, Marcus Camby, Nene and Reggie Evans suck. OK

nene sucks ass Camby is good defensivly that's about it.

[RP]

Yes, Marcus Camby, Nene and Reggie Evans suck. OK


look you're really being a fanboi right now. And i'm the one telling you that.:shifty: The Nuggets wont catch the Jazz. Nene and Reggie Evans sucks and Marcus Camby schedules 20 games off per season for future injuries. So expect him to be out when Coward comes back.

[BCWWF]

I have a feeling that you don't watch very many Nuggets games. All Melo does is shoot from the outside? No

He is a jump shooter, that doesn't imply that he can't drive the basket, so can Kobe, but obviously he doesn't/can't do that every time.

[BCWWF]

And attacking me for not watching your team still doesn't address the actual issue, that AI and Melo both have the same strengh (shooting) and the same weakness (everything else). Both are one dimentional players, and quite frankly I think it will hurt Melo to have to share all of his shots with AI and to not have a good point guard to help set him up. AI gets six assists a game by default, he is not going to help create opportunities for Melo.

[DaveWadding]

And attacking me for not watching your team still doesn't address the actual issue, that AI and Melo both have the same strengh (shooting) and the same weakness (everything else). Both are one dimentional players, and quite frankly I think it will hurt Melo to have to share all of his shots with AI and to not have a good point guard to help set him up. AI gets six assists a game by default, he is not going to help create opportunities for Melo.

You prolly would have been jacking off in AI got traded to Boston. Exactly how different are Melo and Paul Pierce? Not very?

REGGIE EVANS IS COMIN FOR YO NUTS NIGGA

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pretty hot how a "franchise guy" got traded though. Something actually interesting to watch

I dunno how it is going to work out, back in the day teams would have 2 or 3 hall of famers on the court at one time but that can't happen anymore tho.. I NEED MY BUCKETS MAN

If I was going to compare this to any other combo, I'd compare to more towards Pippen and Jordan then Shaq and Kobe. Jordan and Pippen where a lot better and actually played defense though.

[CNM]

look you're really being a fanboi right now. And i'm the one telling you that.:shifty: The Nuggets wont catch the Jazz. Nene and Reggie Evans sucks and Marcus Camby schedules 20 games off per season for future injuries. So expect him to be out when Coward comes back.

This just proves what an idiot you are. Reggie Evans sucks? Maybe the best rebounder in the NBA sucks? OK, sure.

[CNM]

And attacking me for not watching your team still doesn't address the actual issue, that AI and Melo both have the same strengh (shooting) and the same weakness (everything else). Both are one dimentional players, and quite frankly I think it will hurt Melo to have to share all of his shots with AI and to not have a good point guard to help set him up. AI gets six assists a game by default, he is not going to help create opportunities for Melo.

You know why I'm accusing you of not watching my team? Because you have no clue about Carmelo's offensive game. Melo's offense doesn't come from just shooting, 90% of it comes from posting up. After he posts he either passes, drives, or sometimes, emphasis on sometimes, steps back and takes a jumper. So how the hell does he need a PG to set him up? Also, all this shit about how those two are going to get their shots makes me laugh. The Nuggets average 85 shots a game. There will be plenty of shots to go around.

[BCWWF]

You prolly would have been jacking off in AI got traded to Boston. Exactly how different are Melo and Paul Pierce? Not very?

REGGIE EVANS IS COMIN FOR YO NUTS NIGGA

I think AI would have been even worse off in Boston, but thanks for being an idiot. Your parents would be proud.

[packt up]

Forgive me as the outsider Brit who never watches any games :( But aren't Kobe and Shaq a bit better than Melo and AI? :o

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think they where making a comparison to 2 superstars being on the same team.

[Crimson]

I like Earl Watson

[BCWWF]

I had a big argument with my friends tonight because they said Shaq is the reason Miami won the NBA championship last year. Am I wrong?

Also, went to the Wolves game tonight, awful. Up by 10 going into the fourth, the Lakers seriously went on I think a 17-1 run. KG was left on the bench for the first five minutes of the fourth quarter, and when he came back in the game had turned and it was done. Seriously awful.

[Gertner]

btw reggie evans the best reoubner in the nba. i don't know where to begin there.


Nice comeback win for my jazz. Okur with 30.

[DaveWadding]

btw reggie evans the best reoubner in the nba. i don't know where to begin there.


Nice comeback win for my jazz. Okur with 30.

I'll give the Jazz credit fior the comeback, but...

YOU WERE DOWN 20 TO THE FUCKING HAWKS, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[RP]

And you lost to the Knicks, but Reggie Evans...lol

[Triple A]

Damn, that was the first Knicks game I have watched in its entirety in like three years. And it was such a sick game to watch. :love:

Ewing, Oakley, Starks, Jordan at courtside and a ridiculous 0.1 second left in double OT tip-in for the win by David Lee. Amazing game. I LOVE THE KNICKS.

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[Gertner]

I'll give the Jazz credit fior the comeback, but...

YOU WERE DOWN 20 TO THE FUCKING HAWKS, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

hey Wadding remember that time the Suns beat the Jazz at home this year.....wait that didn't happen.

Jazz 2 Suns 0

[DaveWadding]

hey Wadding remember that time the Suns beat the Jazz at home this year.....wait that didn't happen.

Jazz 2 Suns 0

Hey, remember how the Suns won 15 in a row since then and are the number 1 team in the league?

me neither.

[Gertner]

Hey, remember how the Suns won 15 in a row since then and are the number 1 team in the league?

me neither.

Beat the Jazz and we'll talk

[Gertner]

heck, beat a good team and we'll talk. easy to win 15 when you play such powers as golden state and toronto and the mighty clippers 15 times

[BCWWF]

Hey, remember how the Suns won 15 in a row since then and are the number 1 team in the league?

me neither.


Technically, shouldn't you say "I do"? You say me neither if it didn't actually happen.

[CNM]

Let's see. Reggie Evans pulls down 8 rebounds a game in 20 minutes. Per 48 minutes, he averages 19.5 rebounds a game, which is FIRST in the league among players who play 20 minutes a game or more, right ahead of Tyson Chandler and Dwight Howard. But yes, he sucks.

[RP]

Let's see. Reggie Evans pulls down 8 rebounds a game in 20 minutes. Per 48 minutes, he averages 19.5 rebounds a game, which is FIRST in the league among players who play 20 minutes a game or more, right ahead of Tyson Chandler and Dwight Howard. But yes, he sucks.


lol what

[RP]

Jeff Foster plays 20 minutes a game and he averaged 8.1 rebounds per game. So he must be the best rebounder in the league...fuck it. Jeff Foster for MVP!

[CNM]

Way to be a dumbass. I said he might be the best rebounder in the league. Also, aren't you the Pacers fan? Are you saying Jeff Foster sucks? That he's not one of the best rebounders in the league? We're talking about rebounding and nothing else.

[Gertner]

Way to be a dumbass. I said he might be the best rebounder in the league. Also, aren't you the Pacers fan? Are you saying Jeff Foster sucks? That he's not one of the best rebounders in the league? We're talking about rebounding and nothing else.

He gets his rebounds when other teams are playing their reserves. That's like me braggin about leading the league in scoring in the CBA

[CNM]

Top notch logic there. I expect nothing less from you though. Way to go!

[Gertner]

lol dude, the nuggets are gonna be 10 games back of the Jazz before the season is over

[CNM]

lol, the Jays will not fade. Also, Chacin > Blanton

[Gertner]

Way to totally avoid the topic.

Looks good on you.

Should we crown Reggie Evans defensive player of the year now, or wait until the season is done?

[BCWWF]

lol @ the set of headlines on ESPN.com:

• A.I. hoping for Denver debut Friday (http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2705992&name=FPT-2705992-122215&srvc=sz) | Camby out (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2706364)

How typical is that. That being said, I don't think AI, Yakhouba Diawara, Linas Kleiza, Eduardo Najara and Nene is any better than AI, Andre Igoudala, Kyle Korver, Chris Weber and Samuel Dalembert. I could definitely see the Nuggets slide before Melo gets back.

Also, Rocky Mountain News is reporting that Earl Boykins will likely be traded by the deadline.

[CNM]

Way to totally avoid the topic.

Looks good on you.

Should we crown Reggie Evans defensive player of the year now, or wait until the season is done?

We'll do that as soon as we crown you the most knowledgable NBA poster

[Gertner]

We'll do that as soon as we crown you the most knowledgable NBA poster

I'm smart enough to know that Reggie Evans isn't the best rebounder in the NBA.


btw Camby hurt again. There's a shock.

[RP]

LOL@ Reggie Evans

[RP]

I'm dying...

[RP]

Poor Yao Ming. He's one of my favorite players and i think he'll be that " guy " for the NBA in the next 2 years. He's out for 6 weeks with a broken bone in his knee.

[BCWWF]

They should just bite the bullet and trade T-Mac to the Timberwolves :shifty:

[Gertner]

my gf got me Jazz vs Pistons tockets for x mas!!!!!!!

[BCWWF]

Jazz are inconsistant as shit. No chance winning a series against San Antonio, Dallas or Phoenix in the playoffs.

[Gertner]

:( thanks for bringing me down lol

[RP]

That Indiana/Detroit game last night was amazing. Probably one of the best games of the season. Indiana lead big early, then Detroit went on a monster run and had a big lead, then Indiana went on a monster run ( 19-4 ) and had a big lead, then Detroit came back and basically tied it ( or were down by 3 ) because Billups drilled a halfcourt shot at the 3rd qrt buzzer. Indiana ended up winning on a Darrell Armstrong free throw with .9 seconds to go. Heck of a game. Huge win for Indiana, they're starting to put something together here. If they beat Charlotte tonight, then this could be a good run for them and maybe get them back in one of the top spots in the east.

[RP]

I cant stomach the Pacers anymore. I wont be watching til the playoffs. Its pretty rediculous. How can you put together 2 wins one at Detroit and then come home and lose to the Bobcats. Its just utterly stupid. I cant even watch anymore.

[BCWWF]

SOooo...went to the Wolves game tonight, probably one of the most fun I've been to. Partly because they actually won (against a good team, in San Antonio), but we also had some fun afterwards.

We were walking away, pretty happy after the OT win (soooo rare for the Wolves), so we decide to try to find Eva Longoria, who was on the big screen but we couldn't see her. First, there was a big garage opening and guys were bringing out a bunch of tricked out Escalades, Land Rovers, even a Mazzeratti, obviously the Timberwolves cars. Then we headed over to where some people were standing and realized this is where the Spurs would be leaving. We took a perch on a rail and waited. Then she came.

EVA LONGORIA!!!! SOOOO HOT! She walked out first, before any players, wearing tight black pants and a long black sweater. Nobody could sign autographs because they already went thru security for the flight home, but she waves (made eye contact, bitch) and was SOOOOO hot.

The Spurs were actually a pretty cool team to see, because you can recognize just about all of their players. Most times you go to an NBA game you are like "OK, there is the star, and I recognize that guy, but I don't care." With the Spurs you are like "Whoa, Ginobili, Duncan, Parker, Bowen, Horry, Bonner, Finley, Popovich even."

Anyway, it's just crazy to see those players so close. Like Popovich was funny, he said something to everybody and asked the security guard if he could do autographs. Tony Parker was kinda lame, some African guy next to me yelled at him in French. Bruce Bowen looks scary as shit, and he is HUGE. Much taller than I thought. Duncan didn't acknowledge me comment about his shaving cream commercials, so I continue to hate him. As for Eva, on the way out we looked up at the bus window and Eva and Tony were sitting in some seat looking at a palm pilot or something, so my friend knocked on the window and she waved again.

Not a bad night for basketball, in my opinion.

Also, Randy Foye is now the NBA's Rookie of the Year. He is starting to play amazing now. Even though he's not starting, he is essentially the primary point guard. I trust him more than KG down the stretch.

[BCWWF]

Anyone see the Lakers game tonight? It looked like the lights were off on the fans and only the court was lit up.

[CNM]

Uhhh, that's how it always is

[BCWWF]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/59/full.getty-71797509sd018_denver_nugget_1_26_57_am.jpg

[CNM]

From Wikipedia:

Starting with The 2006/07 Season opener, The Lakers began a marketing campaign titled "Lights Out" to promote the new lighting configuration for their games in which the arena's lights are almost exclusively focused on the court, reminiscent of the team's Forum days.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Center

[BCWWF]

That's fucked up. Personally, I don't really like it. I've never seen it until a few days ago, but it makes the game look low quality or something.

[Gertner]

just wondering how the Nuggets did against the Jazz :)

[BCWWF]

Nuggets are fading.

Wolves have been playing great for three quarters, holding on in the fourth and coming out in overtime. Not great, but if this holds up I like what is happening.

As for the Nuggets, it is hard to say what will happen with Carmelo gets back. As of right now, they are essentially the 76ers.

[Gertner]

Boozer molested the Nuggets front court.

[Gertner]

funny that all the Nuggets fans are silent now

[Skippord]

Hey I'm a fairweather Nuggets fan

[Ninti the Mad]

You talk too much shit Gertner.

[CNM]

funny that all the Nuggets fans are silent now

Yeah, be real proud that you barely beat a severely undermanned Nuggets team. That was a one point game in the fourth quarter. If the Jazz play like that again, the Nuggets will slaughter them in the next meeting.

[BCWWF]

If Karl can get the team to play together, they have the potential to be awesome, but I really don't think that is an easy task. AI is going to control the ball and shoot a lot, and by now he is probably getting comfortable on the Nuggets. So when you add in Carmelo, who also wants to shoot the ball a lot, it is going to take time to gel. But with the post guys and the potential of JR Smith, if Karl can do it, this could be a good team.

I don't think he can.

[Gertner]

Yeah, be real proud that you barely beat a severely undermanned Nuggets team. That was a one point game in the fourth quarter. If the Jazz play like that again, the Nuggets will slaughter them in the next meeting.

your team is embarassing themselves

[Gertner]

Yeah, be real proud that you barely beat a severely undermanned Nuggets team. That was a one point game in the fourth quarter. If the Jazz play like that again, the Nuggets will slaughter them in the next meeting.

and btw whose fault is that, that melo and the rest of the nuggets are a bunch of retards

[BCWWF]

Carmelo really can't seem to get a break. When he first came into the league I didn't like him because he was such a thug, but then after last year he was apparently on track in life and working hard, but now I don't know what to believe.

If the Nuggets can find a way to get tonns of points from Melo and AI, play defense, and keep Camby healthy, they are legit. No. 2 is the only one I am confident they can manage though.

[Kris P Lettus]

C-Webb is going to sign with the Pistons..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2731833

[Gertner]

don't know how i feel about webber going to detroit

[BCWWF]

C-Webb just doesn't seem to fit in with the Pistons, at least I don't think so. He doesn't play their game, I guess. Since he is bad now, I guess he could play like 15 minutes off the bench, but I think he would contribute a lot better on say Dallas or even a team like the Knicks or the Nets.

[OssMan]

*Gilbert Arenas* how you like that Gertner

[BCWWF]

Wolves are on a roll lately.

[SammyG]

Laaaaaaaaaaake Shooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwww

[Gertner]

*Gilbert Arenas* how you like that Gertner

tremendous player. too bad the rest of his team is shit

[CNM]

Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison are shit?

[SammyG]

The Wizards are solid. I expect them to make some serious noise in the playoffs this year.

[MTH15]

I'm from DC. I went to the game when he hit a buzz. beater against the bucks. The crowd went nuts he has like 4 50+ point games and I think 3 buzz. beaters

[BCWWF]

Jamison will fade in the second half like he always does. If they could get Nazr Mohammad from the Pistons, I would like their chances a lot.

Also, it was reported in the Star Tribune that Marco Jaric is going to be traded for one of the Piston's big men: Nazr, Dale Davis or McDyess. Personally, I would like McDyess because Davis's contract doesn't match up, and McDyess can be an FA after this year. Any move to get rid of Jaric, as long as it doesn't take on a long term deal, is great. His absense has made the Wolves good.

[MTH15]

BTW why did Kobe change his number to 24. not 23 but 24?

[CNM]

Who knows. Probably because in Kobe's mind 24>23, therefore Kobe>MJ.

[BCWWF]

That is what the rumor is. The skin and bones, according to ESPN.com last year, was that 24 was his high school number, but it was taken when he got to the NBA. Why it was 24 in high school though, dunno?

[MTH15]

My stepdad told me his dads number might have been 24.

[SammyG]

i thought jellybean was 33.

[MTH15]

Well my stepdad was wrong :( who knows maybe it was just his high school number. But when he came into the NBA who could've had his number. Maybe it was Al Green but I think he was 31 or something.....I'll look it up.

EDIT: Here it is from Yahoo!


Kobe changed his jersey to start the second half of his career sort of like a fresh start. All the drama of Shaq, the Colorado case, etc will end with the number 8. He chose the number 24 to show his hard work ethic which is 24 hours a day. Saying that he works 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Kobe and Odom is 24/7. It also helps if changing your number will also increase your jersey sales

[BCWWF]

I don't like 24, it's not as identifyable. I went to a Lakers game this year and he didn't do all that much, but ended up with like 30 points.

[MTH15]

I agree 8 was a number no other good person really wore. But its not the number that makes the player its the player that makes the number. I still think 8 was better.

[BCWWF]

Who made 21 famous? It seems like there are a couple players wearing that now, notably Duncan and Garnett.

[SammyG]

Lake Show vs Spurs tonight. Meh. I miss Odom. :( and Kwame can take as long of a break as he wants, Bynum and Turiaf rule.

[SammyG]

Ugh. Webber is #84.

[BCWWF]

Lol, that is awful.

[KingofOldSchool]

WTF

The Pacers traded Al Harrington AND Stephen Jackson to the Warriors for Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy. :nono:

Larry Bird has gone off his rocker.

I could understand Jackson, but HARRINGTON???

I mean after all of the trouble of getting Big Al in the offseason only to turn around and trade him for two mid-level white guys?

I guess this is the end of JO here. :(

[KingofOldSchool]

Pacers, Warriors swing 8-player trade
January 17, 2007

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- The Indiana Pacers traded Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson to the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday for forwards Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy as part of an eight-player deal designed to shake up two struggling teams.

The Pacers also sent guard Sarunas Jasikevicius and forward Josh Powell to the Warriors, who gave up forward Ike Diogu and guard Keith McLeod.

"We feel we made a pretty significant trade for the franchise that will be good for both teams," Pacers president Larry Bird said in a statement. "We feel the players we got will make a significant difference in the franchise."

Murphy, Dunleavy and Diogu had been reduced to high-priced backups for failing to measure up to new coach Don Nelson's expectations this season, while Jackson was dogged by legal troubles in Indiana.

Jackson, in his third season with the Pacers, faces felony charges in Indianapolis, accused of firing a gun during a fight outside a strip club. A judge scheduled a Feb. 12 trial for Jackson and another man who is accused of driving a car that hit Jackson during the Oct. 6 fight outside Club Rio on the city's west side.

Jackson, who is averaging 14.1 points per game this season, has pleaded not guilty to a felony charge of criminal recklessness and misdemeanor counts of battery and disorderly conduct. He is free on $10,000 bond pending trial.

The criminal recklessness charge carries a prison term of six months to three years.

Harrington was in his second stretch with the Pacers after being acquired in a trade from Atlanta in August. He is averaging 15.9 points per game this season.

Jasikevicius, in his second season with the Pacers, is averaging 7.4 points per game, and Powell has appeared in seven games.

Dunleavy, in his fifth season, averaged 11.4 points per game, and Murphy, a sixth-year veteran from Notre Dame, is averaging 8.9 points per game. Second-year player Diogu is averaging 7.2 points in 17 games, and McLeod, in his fourth season, averaged 5.3 points per game.

The players acquired from Golden State are expected to be on the bench when the Pacers host the New York Knicks Saturday night in Conseco Fieldhouse.

Jesus if they wanted to lose this bad they should've done this sooner so we could potentially be in the Oden sweepstakes if he decides to come out early.

[BCWWF]

To make it clear:

Pacers Get:
Troy Murphy
Mike Dunleavy
Ike Diogu
Keith McLeod

Warriors Get:
Stephen Jackson
Al Harrington
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Josh Powell

Personally, I don't think it is that bad. They needed to get rid of Jackson, giving up up Harrington too might be a little much, but in return they got three guys who will definitely play for them.

[KingofOldSchool]

I don't really care that they got rid of Jackson, but Harrington???

What the fuck???

Next thing you know they are going to send Jermaine O'Neal to the Knicks for Nikoloz Tskitishvili.

[BCWWF]

Is Tskidi still in the league? I thought he was either on the Suns or gone, (beyond the point).

I was going to look at the salaries to see if the Pacers inherited any good ones, but Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy are signed for like five more years and getting a lot of money. I dunno, I guess they really wanted to get rid of Jackson. Harrington and Jackson have four years left, but definitely better contracts than the other two.

I guess what I would say is that the Pacers really weren't going anywhere with Harrington and Jackson. They really aren't going anywhere now either, but they just got a lot younger and a lot better behaved. As for Jermaine, he is overrated. He is the face of the franchise, but if they did want to trade him, they could probably get a lot. Realistically though, he is going to need another really good player (ie like a Wade or Arenas type) to ever win a championship.

[KingofOldSchool]

On Yahoo's roster page it says he's with the Knicks, I just picked some random white guy.

The only guys they really should've gotten rid of were Jax and Tinsley. They could've gotten a couple of veterans with expiring contracts in return. Then they could go after a top FA in the off season. It just seems like they are throwing in the towel already.

[MTH15]

Caron Butler dunked it with 2 seconds left to give the Wizards the win 99-98...very good game.

[RP]

WTF

The Pacers traded Al Harrington AND Stephen Jackson to the Warriors for Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy. :nono:

Larry Bird has gone off his rocker.

I could understand Jackson, but HARRINGTON???

I mean after all of the trouble of getting Big Al in the offseason only to turn around and trade him for two mid-level white guys?

I guess this is the end of JO here. :(

Harrington has been horrible this year, plus he was starting to bitch and complain.

Donnie Walsh is incredible. This deal had his name written all over it. Somehow he managed to get rid of Stephen Jackson. Simply amazing.

I think this is apart of a bigger deal. I cant see this deal being a deal that sets the team up for a run. I think something bigger is in the works. Maybe including Jason Kidd. I dunno.

[BCWWF]

I can't see any reason why the Nets would be trading Jason Kidd right now. Is there some reason why you would think that, or is it just random?

[RP]

Its being reported all over the place and when they asked the Nets GM if he was shopping Kidd, he didnt comment whether he was or not. Its no secret that the Nets are shopping Kidd, Carter and Jefferson to see what deals are out there.

I could see something along the lines of Tinsley, Dunleavy and Foster maybe for Kidd and another player.

I dunno, this is my speculation, but its not secret the Nets are shopping him.

[Gertner]

What a game last night! Went to see the Jazz vs Pistons last night. 18,000 Piston fans and 1 jack ass Utah fan screaming and being totally obnoxious :).

btw Kirlenko should never handle the ball. He's a disaster.

[BCWWF]

I don't really see why the Nets would have any interest in Dunleavy. Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter play the same position and a lot better. If there was some sort of a deal, it would definitely include Tinsley, but I would think Ike and somebody else. I still don't really see that happening though.

How about this one:
Jermaine O'Neal for Richard Jefferson and Nenad Krstic

HA.

I would think the Nets are more likely to trade Jefferson than anybody else on their team though.

[KingofOldSchool]

Harrington has been horrible this year, plus he was starting to bitch and complain.

Donnie Walsh is incredible. This deal had his name written all over it. Somehow he managed to get rid of Stephen Jackson. Simply amazing.

I think this is apart of a bigger deal. I cant see this deal being a deal that sets the team up for a run. I think something bigger is in the works. Maybe including Jason Kidd. I dunno.

I mean granted Harrington hasn't been playing like he COULD be playing so far, he is still a lot better than Murphy and Dunleavy.

And I would hate for the Pacers to get rid of Jeff Foster, he contributes a lot more to the Pacers than what people give him credit for. Granted he's not a scorer, but he makes up for it in heart. I know that sounds cliche but they need a guy like Foster right now. Not to mention he's a pretty good defender

If anything they need to get a decent SG right now. I think Granger is developing to be a pretty good SF, but they are going to shift in to SG to make room for Dunleavy in the SL. I was hoping they could've swung a deal for Corey Maggette instead.

For now I see them shifting Granger to SG and having a lineup like this

C: Foster
PF: O'Neal
SF: Dunleavy
SG: Granger
PG: Tinsley

Now if Dunleavy can play at least 10x's better than he did in GS, then I can forgive Bird/Walsh for the trade. I just don't see that happening, I see two guys who never lived up to their potential eating up a shit load of cap space for the next 4 years.

[BCWWF]

It seems to me like Dunleavy and Granger are the same player, that is part of the reason I don't like this trade. I would have preferred a good jump shooter to compliment Granger and Tinsley.

[KingofOldSchool]

Granger is developing into a better player than Dunleavy as well.

[BCWWF]

Yeah, if I had to choose one it would be Granger. He seems just as capable of a player but like five years younger.

[RP]

In the next 2 years or so, Granger will be a beast.

I think you're underestimating Troy Murphy here. He's a very solid player. He give you 10 rebounds a game and he's a shooter. Could play the PF or SF position also. I guess they are banking on Dunleavy to develope alot more now that he's away from the Golden St. situation. Its a gamble, but i trust Bird and i trust Donny Walsh with my life if it came down to making a great trade in the long run. Donny Walsh knows what he's doing. Ike Diogu is the wild card. He might develope into a Carlos Boozer type player. He's really good and from what i've read, he wasnt given playing time because Nelson liked to play up tempo basketball.

Anways. I think theirs another trade in the works. Its just odd that this happend so fast and the long contracts are odd also. I just get the feeling something else in the works. Maybe ship Dunleavy over to the Clippers for Maggette. I dont know. Something is wrong here. Its odd that we picked up those two contracts. I like both players, but it just seems odd. I know Indiana wanted Diogu and i'm guessing he's a lock to stay, but something else has to be up here. I just have this feeling. Could be wrong. Who knows.

[BCWWF]

Yeah, Maggette for Dunleavy, or some form of that, is what I was just going to post. Seems like it would make sense.

[Gertner]

Maggette has been rumoured to go to my Jazz.

That's about that last thing I want

[SammyG]

This game sucks. meh. I guess I can take a loss now, Lakers have been doin really good lately, they were bound for a kinda ugly loss. down 21 right now with 3:30 left. ew.

[BCWWF]

Same thing with the Wolves on Wednesday. Meh

[SammyG]

Jesus Christ, do the suns EVER lose?!

[Gertner]

only when they play utah

[RP]

I think i could score 50 on the Jazz.

[Gertner]

the pacers couldn't :)

[SammyG]

This isn't because I am biased as a Lakers fan or anything, but seriously, you gotta admit, Kobe is amazing. He's not putting up 40 shots a game anymore, his PPG is down, but his percentage is up, and the same with his rebounds and assists. He's really helping this team develop. I think they can make a deep run in the playoffs if Lamar comes back strong. Kwame, meh, I guess he can help too.

[BCWWF]

I was the only one who stood by Kobe in the year after Shaq left. Everybody was like, "Oh hey, Shaq is so much better of a player, the Heat are good and the Lakers average." But that was so stupid. Even now, Kobe doesn't have nearly the supporting cast as Dirk, Duncan, Nash and T-Mac, but his team is right up there. Kobe is probably the best player in the league, based on talent alone, and he definitely is capable of winning another championship at some point without Shaq.

[Gertner]

bye bye casey. Not really his fault that the wolves are shit.

[SammyG]

I thought the Wolves would be worse than they are right now.

[BCWWF]

Although they had just lost four in a row, I found it to be really odd timing. I guess this way you tell the new coach "Keep doing the same and you are in the playoffs" rather than "You have to make up a lot of ground to make the playoffs." Still, I was really surprised to see it.

[SammyG]

I think the Suns are gonna end up 74-8 or something. For Fuck's Sake.

[BCWWF]

This is the team that they should have had last year. Now that Amare is healthy, they are dominant. The Spurs are the only team that can stop them, in my opinion, and I don't think the Spurs are at their best this year.

[Gertner]

The Jazz front court can pose problems for the Suns like they have so far this year. The Jazz are 2-0 vs the Suns

[SammyG]

Lakers beat them in the one game they played, but still, that doesn't really mean shit. It's pissing me off that all the good teams are in the West. seriously. wtf. Could any Eastern Conference team even compete?

[Gertner]

The Psitons seem to be getting there act together, but even they have struggled mightly against the West

[SammyG]

Yeah.

[Ninti the Mad]

The Spurs are the only team that can stop them, in my opinion, and I don't think the Spurs are at their best this year.


Tell me about it. It's not looking good.

[SammyG]

They're gonna make it 16 in a row, What the FUCK

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/9954603

[SammyG]

The Washington Wizards' (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/teams/page/WAS) All-Star figures he could score "84 or 85" points if he got a chance to play Duke and coach Mike Krzyzewski, who cut Arenas from the U.S. national team last summer.


....

[SammyG]

I hate the Suns, but Nash not starting in the All Star Game is flat out bullshit.

[Gertner]

hey CNM and all you other Nuggets fans

116-111. Go fuck yourself and Go Jazz

[CNM]

LOL go fuck yourself? It's just a game buddy. Also, nice to see the Jazz can beat the Nuggets with some help from the referees.

[Gertner]

and without kirlenko. your team doesn't stand a chance against Utah. Give it up.

[CNM]

Let's see, the Nuggets led by 1 with 30 seconds left and had secured a rebound off of a missed Jazz shot when Carlos Boozer tackles Nene. Nene is for some reason, then called for a foul and Boozer makes two free-throws that decide the game. But the Nuggets have no chance. Ok.

[CNM]

Also, Kirilenko sucks. The Jazz play better without him.

[SammyG]

also. wtf @ the lakers. seriously now.

[Gertner]

dude, you guys were getting the calls all night. just because the refs weren't buying into AI 's bullshit doesn't mean the refs were biased.

just face it. The Jazz are a better team.

[CNM]

The Nuggets shot 40 free throws. The Jazz shot, hmmm let's see, 40 free throws. But we got all the calls? Yeah right.

[Gertner]

btw how did the rebound king Reggie Evans do last night lol.

Boozer made him his bitch.

[CNM]

What? Reggie Evans did a better job on Boozer than anybody. Did you even watch the game?