NFL 2008 Off Season Thread

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn, early ass bye week for the Pats. Schedule looks pretty good though but I don't understand why it seems like the Patriots and Colts play each other every year in the regular season? Kinda seems that way with the Steelers as well, I mean understand both games are good for ratings or whatever but I didn't think they based schedules off that. Do they just have the previous years division champions play each other or something? That might be it since the Pats, Colts and Steelers have pretty much dominated their respective divisions for last 5 or so years

Looking forward to the 49ers game since my roommate is a huge 9ers fan

[RP]

Damn, early ass bye week for the Pats. Schedule looks pretty good though but I don't understand why it seems like the Patriots and Colts play each other every year in the regular season? Kinda seems that way with the Steelers as well, I mean understand both games are good for ratings or whatever but I didn't think they based schedules off that. Do they just have the previous years division champions play each other or something? That might be it since the Pats, Colts and Steelers have pretty much dominated their respective divisions for last 5 or so years

Looking forward to the 49ers game since my roommate is a huge 9ers fan

the division winners play eachother. The Colts have played the Pats, Steelers and Chargers for the past 3 or 4 years now. BTW the Pats might actually go 16-0 unless the Colts beat them. That schedule is rediculous.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Broncos always seem to give the Patriots trouble for some reason, plus they gotta play the Colts in Indy again (How is that decided? I think the Pats had the home game for 3 years in a row, now this is the 2 or 3rd time in a row its in Indy) Right now though yeah that schedule looks pretty easy, but you never know some of teams might be improved next year. On the flip side some of those teams that showed promise, like the Bills, could absolutely collapse 2007 New York Jets style. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Patriots win 14 games next year, as long as they pick up some secondary help this off season.

[RP]

2 biggest problems i have with the Colts schedule is 1) We play the Titans on Monday night, which is one of the most brutal games of the year and then on a short week, come home and play the Patriots. 2) They put maybe the biggest game on the Colts schedule on a fucking NFL Network game. Colts at Jacksonville in week 16 will be so fucking huge and i cant even get NFL Network ( though i'll probably be drinking at a pub anyway. )

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Lol Herschel Walker played Russian roulette

[SammyG]

Yeah, saw this on Rome. crazy.

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints will be 16-0..

[OssMan]

Patriots have easiest schedule or sum'n

[VonErichLives]

yeah, aren't the teams you play decided a few years in advance? so no one can really cry foul on the schedule, plus ya never know how teams will preform vs. last year and who improves etc... (look at the Boston Celtics..)

Also happens the AFC East outside of the Pats sucked last year, which is 6 games.

I believe 2 games a year are decided based on record from the previous year (1home, 1away) the rest are decided years in advance.

2007 and 2008 the AFC east has the AFC South, in 2009 will be the 3rd year NE goes to Indy, 04-06 Indy went to NE.

I do find back to back west coast games twice interesting... wonder if they'll just stay out there for the week. Didn't the Jets do that a few years ago?

At SF then at SD

then at Sea at Oak later in the year.

[VonErichLives]

knew this site was somewhere... only goes through 2009, but I'm pretty sure they have the opponents picked further out.

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedules/nfl_future_afce.htm

[Kris P Lettus]

The divisional games are picked years in advance cause it's goes in a cycle..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Stephen Cooper suspended 4 games for testing positive for a "banned stimulant."

Haven't heard what it was yet, wonder if he got it from Merriman?

[RP]

He should go the Kevin Faulk route and say " It wasnt mine, I was just holding it for someone ".

[Hanso Amore]

Bills playing Miami in Toronto. They should have chose a better matchup. If your showcasing in a new area, they should have rolled out the NE game. People would rather watch NE run up 50 on B Lo than BLo running 25 up on Miami.


Other than that I love the Bills Schedule. First year I own season Tix and w eGet a Monday night game!!!!!! Whooo! 2 years in a row! I am goingto be fucked up!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He should go the Kevin Faulk route and say " It wasnt mine, I was just holding it for someone ".
Faulk got caught for having weed, not smoking it (yet) so I don't think that'll work out for Cooper

[Triple A]

Jets schedule is mad easy this year. :cool:

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[RP]

Faulk got caught for having weed, not smoking it (yet) so I don't think that'll work out for Cooper

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH well if thats the case then...:roll:

[VonErichLives]

yeah, Faulk was caught holding it... plus would anyone really call weed a "stimulant"....

Also, if I remember the reason Faulk isn't in the NFL's drug program is because he was caught on a Friday and on Monday the NFL tested him and he passed. Now, I know nothing about how quick weed goes through you're system so no idea if it would still be in his system.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He probably found a way to mask it or something, although I thought masking agents where banned too so I dunno. Maybe he just got lucky somehow? Or used someone else's piss?

I don't really get why they even test for weed anyways, I mean I realize its illegal but come on.

I'm curious to see what "stimulant" Cooper is getting banned for too, I haven't heard what it was. I would usually be like "yeah whatever" but you never know it could have been for something dumb.

[Nervous Ferret]

yeahhhhhhhhhh Jets will win at least 9 games this year

[RP]

I bet there gunna have fun in Bengals camp this year.

[Kris P Lettus]

Ocho Cinco wants out of Cinncy..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3349761

He is the man and I'd love to see him in Black and Gold..

But, if it's him or Shockey, as much as I hate to say, I'd want Shockey.. Personally, I like Johnson more, but we are hurting alot more at TE than WR..

[RP]

"Thees eez Beeel Beeellicheek! He won 3 Super Bowls. How? He cheated. He even got caught cheating and nobody cared. Why? Because in America, it's ok to cheat if you cheat your way to the top. Then you're not a cheater, you're saavy."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol so many people including myself defended Chad saying he wasn't just another egomaniac WR and that he was just having fun

whoops

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It didn't really bother me that he was bitching and saying he wanted out and he didn't want to play for Marvin Lewis. But now that he's talking shit about Carson Palmer he really just needs to fuck off. It'd be great if Marvin actually stuck to his guns and never traded him and just let him rot until his contract ran out.

[RP]

I bet if Carson Palmer tells the Bengals to trade Chad, they trade Chad.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'd agree with that.

[Kris P Lettus]

SAINTS LOOKING TO TRADE UP WITH RAMS?
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 16, 2008, 7:24 p.m.
The conventional wisdom around the NFL is that no team wants to trade into the first few picks in the draft because of the exorbitant salaries and signing bonuses that top picks receive. But one team might be looking to buck that conventional wisdom.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Saints have made informal inquiries about what it would take to acquire the Rams’ first-round pick, No. 2 overall.

The Saints currently own the 10th overall pick, and under the draft trade chart that has been used for the last two decades, the Saints would have to give up a bounty of draft picks to move from No. 10 to No. 2. But some teams are circulating a new trade chart, and on that chart, a trade of the Saints’ first- and second-round picks for the Rams’ first-round pick would appear reasonable, if possibly a little too favorable to the Saints.

If the Saints did make the trade, what would they do with the No. 2 pick? Schefter reports that New Orleans wants one of the draft’s top defensive players, likely LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey or Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston.

If the trade doesn’t go through, the Rams could take Dorsey, Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long or possibly pull a surprise and select Arkansas running back Darren McFadden.

I'd hate this cause I think we could get an impact player with our tenth pick..

:-\

[RP]

Whoever passes on McFadden will be pretty sorry. Colts should trade up and take him and run him and Addai out the backfield. Colts would be unstoppable.

[Kris P Lettus]

This is seriously pissing me off..

There's plenty of awesome defensive players this year so one of the top guys will def be there at the tenth pick..

Ellis, Rivers, Gholsten, Dorsey, Long, Rodgers-Cromartie, McKelvin, Talib, etc etc etc..

One of those guys will be there at the tenth spot.. We need too much on D to trade away alot of picks just to move up when we could easily get an impact player with the picks we have..

[VonErichLives]

I'd hate this cause I think we could get an impact player with our tenth pick..

:-\


Vernon Gholston #2?

Man, bet he read that and wet himself.

Earliest I've seen him is Jets #6 or Pats #7.

I'm willing to bet the Jets would take a package to move down, and if still there I know the Pats would.

Although, espn had a rumor that the Pats were talking to trade up and get Ellis... which makes no sense to me... now, Chris Long I could see if they think he's fast enough to play LB.

[CSL]

Steve McNair is retiring :(

[RP]

I think the Pats stay at 7 and pick Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

[SammyG]

God damnit, we better not trade down with NO.

Also get chad johnson in St.Louis. Please. He is not happy, he wants out, and the Rams need a receiver. Oh wait, we spent all our money on Josh Brown.

[VonErichLives]

I think the Pats stay at 7 and pick Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

That would be my thought or Leodis McKelvin... since they signed Hobson.

But Derrick Harvey or a trade wouldn't shock me either..

I mean, let's say Matt Ryan falls to 7... think they're but be a few teams trying to jump in front of the Ravens? or just swap spots with the Ravens and pick up an extra pick?

[Kris P Lettus]

I just don't see how trading up is a good idea with the amount of good D players in this years draft.. I would much rather go DT/CB/LB than DE anyway..

[Kris P Lettus]

If we do move up, I see us going after Sedrick Ellis cause Ed Orgeron, our new D-Line Coach, recruited him at USC..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, :wavesad: Air McNair..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots signed Scott Player today, he probably won't even make the roster but I don't care. Scott Player = NFL Championship

http://i.pbase.com/o6/40/326640/1/86890077.0X5xaY91.REK103.jpg

[RP]

He's a good player, with alot of potential. I really like his foot work. He has a good head on his shoulders. He loves football

[OssMan]

lol please tell me the Dolphins got shafted again and that it's their home game when they play in Toronto

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm kinda liking the second round pick for Shockey talks..

Well, I'd rather that than the forth rounder and Saint Roman..

[VonErichLives]

lol please tell me the Dolphins got shafted again and that it's their home game when they play in Toronto

Since the Bills owner is the one who really wants to play in Toronto I would assume it's a Bills home game.

[Gonzo]

I'm kinda liking the second round pick for Shockey talks..

Well, I'd rather that than the forth rounder and Saint Roman..

As much as I love Shockey, I don't think he is what he used to be. He has a lot of nagging injuries that keep him from being top 5, imo. If theres any truth to the notion that him being out allowed Eli to excel then I hope Shockey gets traded.

[Mister Sinister]

Dolphins will improve this year...

3-13 BABY!!!

[RP]

Honestly, i dunno about 3-13. lol. They're pretty bad.

[SammyG]

Rams will go 6-10.

[Kris P Lettus]

As much as I love Shockey, I don't think he is what he used to be. He has a lot of nagging injuries that keep him from being top 5, imo. If theres any truth to the notion that him being out allowed Eli to excel then I hope Shockey gets traded.

He is better than Eric Johnson.. They were saying something about the pick being "conditional" so if he does get hurt again..

I dunno, I don't really like him too much but he has been a huge threat over the middle, isn't scared to take a hit, and is a good blocker.. Def an upgrade from who we've had.. As I said before, if he comes in like Moss did in NE, and is humble and just wants to win, I'd be fine with it..

Plus he's said how much respect he has for Payton, and vice versa, due to their history in NY.. I'm guessing this is going to happen..

[Gonzo]

Probably a good possibility, what with the success Kevin Boss and Michael Matthews had last year when they had to step it up in his absence.

Boss can catch the ball, is developing into a hell of a blocker and is a big target for Eli. Matthews is a good blocker, and can line up at FB (which the Giants do often with motion etc.)

[Kris P Lettus]

Alot of mock drafts have us taking that TE from USC in the second round so I see that pick being the one that does it.. With our 40th pick the Gmen will have like 3 picks between the 32nd and 60th pick..

[Gonzo]

I wouldn't mind if we got a second round pick for Shockey straight up, definitely could fill a void with the extra pick. If that were the scenario I would say the Giants go LB, S, WR but not necessarily in that order.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://saints.ytmnd.com/

LOL

:(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Alot of mock drafts have us taking that TE from USC in the second round so I see that pick being the one that does it.. With our 40th pick the Gmen will have like 3 picks between the 32nd and 60th pick..
If Fred Davis slips to the 2nd round that'll be a HUGE steal, he is projected to the best tight end in this years draft by just about everybody.

[Kris P Lettus]

Well, our pick is 40th overall so it's high second round..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think he'll be in the mold of a Kellen Winslow Jr, he played some wide reciever early in his college career much like Winslow (well Winslow was always listed as a TE at the U but he was just so good they had to get him on the field somehow) I could see him lining up in the slot a lot and being a real recieving threat. I wouldn't rave about his blocking skills or project a lot in that area but I think they'll be good enough to get by.

[Nervous Ferret]

lolllllllllllllllll

http://vikingscardinals2004.ytmnd.com/

[Gonzo]

http://saints.ytmnd.com/

LOL

:(

The look of the guy on the top of the line is priceless.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If Fred Davis slips to the 2nd round that'll be a HUGE steal, he is projected to the best tight end in this years draft by just about everybody.

I've heard there's a couple of TEs that are at or near Davis' level that would be better bargains.

Also apparently this white kid TE from Tennessee measured in at the combine at 6'8 270 and ran 4.6

[Kris P Lettus]

The second round pick for Shockey will most likely happen..

Guess we have to wait till saturday..

[Y2Ant]

lolllllllllllllllll

http://vikingscardinals2004.ytmnd.com/

:'(

[Kris P Lettus]

Didn't the Packers sneak in because of that??

[SammyG]

Nah, pretty sure it was us.

[RP]

LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOO NOOOOO NOOOOOOO!!!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bengals and Chiefs need to work out some sort of Chad for Jared Allen deal. Makes sense for both teams.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also Odell Thurman was reinstated by the league :love: :love:

[Y2Ant]

Jared Allen is all but traded to us from what i've been reading :o

[RP]

Lewis says the disgruntled receiver should keep his word and sit out the season. "I've stated our case with Chad," Lewis said. "He has a contract through 2011. He's stated without an opportunity to go to a different team and a new contract, he wasn't going to play. I think he's a man of his word and says he's not going to play, so don't play."





Love it. Fuck Chad. Let him sit out the next 3 seasons and lose the prime of his career and get a shit contract when his current one is up. Love the hard ball.

[ClockShot]

Wow. Seahawks cut loose Shawn Alexander.

[OssMan]

Jake Long going #1 to the Dolphins

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Jared Allen to the Vikings.

:lol: Stupid Chiefs.</font>

[Crimson]

lol..soo I guess one of the DT's to KC..or Gholston?

[SammyG]

Rams select Chris Long now.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

<font color=goldenrod>Jared Allen to the Vikings.

:lol: Stupid Chiefs.</font>

Chiefs now have 6 of the first 100 picks :eek: If they screw this up Peterson's a goner.

[RP]

If the Chiefs had Bill Polian right now, they'd be in the playoffs next year with all those picks. They need to grab another WR. Give Brody Coyle ( who will be a top QB in the league in a few years ) anothe threat. Build that offense and stop running Larry Johnson ragged. I mean at this rate, Johnson will be out of the league in 2 years.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, they've rode him like a work horse for the past 3 years..

[Kris P Lettus]

Ed Werder is reporting Cowboys settled a deal with the Titans for Pacman Jones..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Heard that they got him for a 4th round pick with some condition that he needs to play a certain amount of games otherwise the Titans have to give the 'Boys a 2009 4th round pick back. If that second part is true then this is an absolute steal

[Gonzo]

The Cowboys might also have to send an additional pick if he plays a certain amount of time. It works both ways.

[Crimson]

Hope he's kept on check and plays well. We should still draft a corner though

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I read that thing about the 4th rounder wrong, either way, they just got a top 10 draft pick for two 4th rounders. I dunno, I got a feeling he is gonna keep his shit clean because if not he knows he will be barred for life. I also have another hunch that he hasn't exactly invested his money very wisely so he probably needs to make a few more millions

[Supreme Olajuwon]

See, you'd think he'd get his shit straight knowing it's his last chance, but Chris Henry and Lawrence Phillips etc. knew that too and they didn't care.

[Gonzo]

Maybe he will, but history has proven that players like him don't usually turn over a new leaf. I'm with Supreme on that one.

[RP]

He's not even that good. Indy made a joke out of him whenever they played.

[CSL]

Didn't know the draft was starting 2 hours later than normal. Fuckers

[Crimson]

I like it better this way. Down to 10 minutes too .

The Cowboys getting Pacman is alow risk deal if he gets in trouble just cut his ass. We'll see what happens but T.O has been great so far in 2 years..I can't see why Jones can't either.

[CSL]

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't on a Saturday but it'll be like a 7.30 start here and if I go out, I'm gonna miss shit, especially as the Giants are drafting last

[OssMan]

It's not like a game where you miss a ton of stuff and have no idea what's going on. You can miss the first 5 hours of the draft and find out everything that happened in a minute

[D Mac]

Just found out about Jared Allen.

GOD FUCKING MOTHER FUCKING GOD DAMMIT MOTHER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[D Mac]

HERM EDWARDS: “When you make decisions like this you take emotion out of it. At this point in time and the direction where we want to go it was good for us and good for Jared, too. It’s called business."

lol Fuck you nigger

[Kris P Lettus]

Herm said he wanted 15 picks this year and now he gotten 13..

He is revamping the whole team.. It's not like Jared Allen won games for yall last year..

[Kris P Lettus]

Is Favre really getting the 09 Madden cover??

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb229/stbsaint/maddenfavre09826_screen.jpg

[VonErichLives]

HERM EDWARDS: “When you make decisions like this you take emotion out of it. At this point in time and the direction where we want to go it was good for us and good for Jared, too. It’s called business."

lol Fuck you nigger

was that really needed?

[Ninti the Mad]

http://saints.ytmnd.com/

LOL

:(

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[D Mac]

was that really needed?

No, I was so pissed it just popped out. :mad:

[VonErichLives]

No, I was so pissed it just popped out. :mad:

that aside, I think you had a great draft... now you just need a coach.

[SammyG]

I like our draft.

[RP]

Colts are talking with Roosevelt Colvin. Man i hope that happens. He's a really good linebacker. Just had some bad luck with injuries with the Pats. Couldnt stay on the field. If he's healthy, this is a tremendous pick up. If it happens.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah Colvin is real good if he can stay on the field, really has only had one year recently though where that has happened. Him going down last year really hurt the Patriots a lot on the defensive side of the ball

[RP]

I kind of want the Colts to bring back Dominic Rhodes and go two backs again cause it was so damn affective and Joe seemed to stay healthier and produce at a higher rate ( not that i'm complaining now ). But i think Mike Hart is gunna win the #2. Kenton Kieth needs to GTFO. He can catch the ball if his life depended on it. Its rediculous. I catch better then KK. Mike Hart really reminds me of a Curtis Martin. A guy who has so much heart and works so hard that he'll succeed no matter what. Every time i watched a Michigan game, Mike Hart was noticablly playing the hardest. I like Hart.

[ClockShot]

Yo Skippy,

When the hell did we pick up Darrell Jackson?

[SammyG]

LOL PEYTON MANNING

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[SammyG]

WE'RE COOL YO!

[Skippord]

Yo Skippy,

When the hell did we pick up Darrell Jackson?
the same week we got Sammy Parker

whenever that was

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I kind of want the Colts to bring back Dominic Rhodes and go two backs again cause it was so damn affective and Joe seemed to stay healthier and produce at a higher rate ( not that i'm complaining now ). But i think Mike Hart is gunna win the #2. Kenton Kieth needs to GTFO. He can catch the ball if his life depended on it. Its rediculous. I catch better then KK. Mike Hart really reminds me of a Curtis Martin. A guy who has so much heart and works so hard that he'll succeed no matter what. Every time i watched a Michigan game, Mike Hart was noticablly playing the hardest. I like Hart.Yeah Mike Hart was a good value in the 6th round, even if he can't be the #2 guy he is a great pass blocker so he could be used as the 3rd down back at the very least.

Also saw that the Colts signed Jamie Silva outta BC as an undrafted free agent, dude is a nut, like a real weird ass dude. He can play some ball though, not sure if it'll translate to the NFL but we'll see.

[RP]

LOL PEYTON MANNING

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lol

[RP]

I just fucking found out something that i cant believe i didnt know. Antoine Bathea was a Pro Bowler last year. He was a reserve. Thats fucking amazing. I think Indy might have the sickest saftey tandem in the league. You can tell i pretty much shut down after the Colts lost lol. I didnt even know he made the team until somone mentioned it and i looked it up. Loving the love for Bathea there.

[RP]

After watching Jason Taylor on Dancing With The Stars the other night in some gay guido uniform or something. I would trade him too.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

lol, Jim Sorgi and Tarik Glenn. Peacekeepers.

[ClockShot]

So Randy Moss and NASCAR. Taking a page out of the Joe Gibbs book? Or just wasting money?

[SammyG]

lol wtf is Randy doing. Absolutely stupid. What does a black man have to do with the redneck sport of NASCAR.

[Kris P Lettus]

Randy Moss is a pretty big redneck though..

[VonErichLives]

lol wtf is Randy doing.

taking his millions and making more....

wtf are you doing SammyG?

[MTH15]

MATTTT RYYYAAAAAAANNNNN

[SammyG]

MTH!!

[MTH15]

MATT RYAAAAAN

[RP]

WhAT THE FUCK?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3378829

WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK

[Gonzo]

Wow. Last guy I would expect to be involved in something like that. Holy shit. Sounds like he could be fucked judging from the evidence they have.

[RP]

I"M GUNNA SCREAM

Nausea is setting in. I'm gunna puke right now. Seriously.

[Gonzo]

Really, Marvin Harrison is like a model citizen. Or he used to be. Pretty surprising tbh.

[RP]

Theres gotta be more to this story. I've read that the guy that got shot said Marvin wasnt the shooter, but they found the gun at Marvins carwash? SERIOUS wHAT THE FUCK IS GOING HERE!

[RP]

I need to be held right now

[OssMan]

none more frame'd

[RP]

I WANT TO KNOW WHY ESPN ISNT COVERING THIS HARDCORE! IF T.O'S SHIT SMELLS FUNNY, THEY COVER IT HARDCORE. IF PACMAN EVEN ENTERS A STRIP CLUB, THERES A BREAKING NEWS STORY. I WANT FUCKING ANSWERS RIGHT NOW YOUR 4 LETTS PEICES OF SHIT. FUCKING HELL. I need to know whats going on. I dont even have pot to smoke right now. I'm gunna go insane.

[RP]

THIS IS A FUCKING HOF WIDE RECIEVER MOTHERFUCKS!

[UmbrellaCorporation]

HOLY SHIT, I did NOT expect to see that when I came online today.

Hope it isn't true. :( :( :(

[VonErichLives]

gotta admit, I'm not a big colts fan, but I hope he wasn't the trigger man, always liked Harrison (even if he does play soft :P ).

If it is true though...

Rodney Harrison taking HGH > Marvin Harrison shooting someone.

[RP]

gotta admit, I'm not a big colts fan, but I hope he wasn't the trigger man, always liked Harrison (even if he does play soft :P ).

If it is true though...

Rodney Harrison taking HGH > Marvin Harrison shooting someone.

yah i'd agree. Rodney Harrison taking HGH > rape, murder and sex with transvestite prostitutes.

[KingofOldSchool]

Anyone knows I'm not a Colts fan, but I am a fan of Harrison's and like people said he has always proven to be a class act. I think the stench of Jamaal Tinsley and Marquis Daniels have rubbed off onto others. Now I'm expecting Reggie Wayne to be accused of raping a 16 year old girl.

[MTH15]

He didnt do it

[RP]

I dont think he did anything either. And if he is proven innocent of these accusations that are being made by ESPN ( FAGGOTS ) then ESPN needs to go straight to fucking hell. There the ones putting this Bruce Pearl look a like on tv and havin him tell us about his " Sources " ESPN better hope this shit is legit cause it dont look like it to me.

[MTH15]

A witness said it wasnt him.

[SammyG]

lol @ the idea of Marvin Harrison, of all people, involved in a fucking shooting.

[Kris P Lettus]

ridic

[Kris P Lettus]

I read today that the Pats signed undrafted free agent RB BenJarvis Green-Ellis from Ole Miss..

He is good and i was actually surprised he didn't get drafted..

[SammyG]

Cedric Benson arrested driving a boat drunk

[Kris P Lettus]

BWI

[SammyG]

They peppersprayed dat nigga

[Kris P Lettus]

haha

Link??

[Skippord]

Caleb Hanie will be the Bears starting quarterback in 2 years

[SammyG]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3380764

[Kris P Lettus]

What a f'n idiot..

I never understand why millionaires get popped for DUI's.. Just hire one of the numerous lackies you have hanging around to drive for you.. I make around $60K a year, drink regularly, and have never gotten a DUI..

Didn't Lance Briggs get in trouble last offseason about his Ferrari or whatever??

[UmbrellaCorporation]

never knew Harrison was -this- private.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080504_Ashley_Fox___Harrison_remains_an_enigma.html

[road doggy dogg]

lol @ Lions' draft

:'(
crossrine

[RP]

dont fuck with Marvin Harrison

that nigga crazy

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I realize PFT isn't always the best source of info, but this is worth a look, at least...

If so, then...wow. I don't know how to react. :|

We were alerted last night to some eye-popping claims regarding the Marvin Harrison case made by Philly sports anchor Keith Russell during a Monday afternoon radio spot in Miami. And so we tracked down the audio, and we have given it a listen.

Appearing with Jason Jackson on WQAM, Russell said that his sources tell him that the guy who was allegedly shot in the hand after leaving Harrison’s bar last Tuesday had come to the establishment to carry out a gangland-style “hit.”

A “hit” on Harrison.

Seriously.

Russell said during the segment that the issue relates to Harrison’s father, who is (per Russell) incarcerated, and that the supposed “hit” was in retaliation for something Harrison’s father supposedly had done.

Media sources in Philadelphia tell us that the contention, which Russell apparently hasn’t made on the air in his home market, is simply not true.

Russell also said that there are “people who are willing to do whatever is necessary” to keep Harrison from facing charges.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/06/wild-claims-in-harrison-case/

[RP]

Its being reported that the Colts are close to signing Dominic Rhodes ( YEssssssssssss ). As long as he stays out of trouble. Thats awesome.

I dont even wanna talk about Marvin Harrison until i read something that doesnt involve sources. But its not looking good at all. Thank God for Reggie Wayne.

[Kris P Lettus]

Kevin Seifert and Paul Walsh, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, report free-agent DL Darrion Scott (Vikings) was charged Tuesday, May 6, with assaulting his son by holding a plastic dry cleaning bag over his head, while the boy was kicking and screaming. According to the criminal complaint, the boy's mother heard her son's cries and found Scott holding the bag over the boy's head April 26. Scott is charged with felony assault in the third degree, felony domestic assault by strangulation and misdemeanor endangerment of a child. Scott's agent, Tom DiPiero, said Scott did not abuse the child. "Anyone who knows Darrion knows him to be a big 'teddy bear' type of guy, easygoing and never loud or abrasive," DiPiero said. "We believe this nightmare is a terrible mistake and that the child has not been abused, at least not by Darrion."

What a piece of shit..

[Kris P Lettus]

Pat Yasinskas: Who will be the impact rookies from the 2008 draft?



There will be no Adrian Peterson in this year's draft. Forget the skill position players for a second because, aside from Peterson, they take a little time to make an impact. The guys who will be forces right away will be at nonglamorous positions, but they'll be in position to succeed.

New Orleans defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis and Cincinnati linebacker Keith Rivers will be stars from the start. Part of that will be due to their own talent. But every first-round pick has plenty of talent.

What will separate Ellis and Rivers will be the situations they landed in. The Saints and Bengals still have talented rosters after subpar 2007 campaigns. Both teams are poised to bounce back, especially after adding their prized rookies. Ellis will be an immediate force in the middle of a defense that couldn't stop the run last year. He'll clog the middle and allow linebackers Jonathan Vilma and Dan Morgan to cover lots of ground and make a bunch of tackles.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3380011

[Crimson]

Morgan will get injured though..so just Vilma.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>YES! Just when I thought I couldn't ever wear my Tiki Barber jersey again...Kenny Phillips was assigned #21. Gonna see if I can get the name changed.</font> :cool:

[Kris P Lettus]

Cheap ass..

Our new WR Arrington is gonna wear number 87..

:( Hollywood

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb229/stbsaint/PH2008050502172.jpg

LOL

[OssMan]

Giants not gonna retire Barber's number dang,

Prolly would have if he didnt say all that shit

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Sorta like last year, I don't see there being all that much competition for spots on the Giants roster. I'm bored so I just went through and decided that, barring injuries, trades, or retirements...there are 40 players who have their spots on the 53-Man roster guaranteed (this includes Shockey and Strahan).

The QB race should be the most fun to watch. Woodson, Lorenzen, Carr, and Wright all competing for the #2 job (though not necessarily the #3 job as I think Woodson has that sealed up if he doesn't get #2, no way we'd draft him only to put him on the practice squad and risk losing him).

So I hope that out of the other three...at least two of them play really well. Then when we make our decision we can trade the extra guy to another team in need of a solid backup and get a late round 2009 draft pick out of it.

Also I would mark out if they decided to try Lorenzen at other positions. I can see him being like Michael Matthews was last year, in to block on the line some plays and an extra FB in others.</font>

[VonErichLives]

can't wait for camps this year.

For the most part the Pats have all of the most explosive offense in the nfl from last season returning.

The only offensive loss I can think of off hand is Stallworth, who was 3rd on the depth chart, Gaffney or Washington should be able to fill that role.

and Kyle Brady but Dave Thomas has looked decent and they signed Marcus Pollard (I'm assuming he's a good blocker?)

Heck the besides Gaffney/Washington the only other offensive battle will be Cassel, Guieterez and O'Connell for the backup QB role

The D has many questions..

the DL is set and solid
the LB core is getting old, but I really liked what they did in the offseason with signing Victor Hobson and drafting Mayo and Crable.

as for the DB's, I've read great stuff about Wheatley and some good stuff about Wilhite, plus Hobbs seems to get better each year.

Saftey is my biggest concern, Harrison ain't getting younger and will miss a dew due to inury, James Sanders has looked ok, but I'm not sold on him yet and after that it's really a crap shoot unless they move Meriweather back to Saftey.

[Gonzo]

I can't wait until camps this year either, but the Giants camp is likely to be swamped.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I really wish Strahan would announce whether or not he's retiring. I think he is but I hope he'll stay. :(

I can just imagine the awesome defensive line on passing downs...Umenyiora-Tuck-Kiwanuka-Strahan

The secondary and non-blitzing LBs will get a million picks from all the hurried throws.</font> :o

[SammyG]

For some reason, I think the Rams are gonna turn it around this year.

[road doggy dogg]

For some reason, I think the Rams are gonna turn it around this year.

"For some reason" = "It's May"
crossrine

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints will win the South and are going to the Super Bowl..

FACT

[VonErichLives]

Saints will win the South and are going to the Super Bowl..

FACT

wanna put a bet on that?

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I love the Ravens, but lol come on.



OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- The Baltimore Ravens are doing more than merely fighting for jobs at their first mandatory minicamp under new coach John Harbaugh.

They're fighting each other, too.

Nearly all 85 players in camp were involved in a squabble Saturday that began when offensive tackle Oniel Cousins and defensive tackle Amon Gordon threw punches after running back Allen Patrick was taken down hard on a burst up the middle. All the players surged toward the middle of the field, and it was nearly two minutes before peace was restored.

"Guys are competing, so tempers flare a little bit," Harbaugh said.

Later during practice, which was held indoors because of rain, defensive backs Corey Ivy and Frank Walker came to blows during a blocking drill.

"Don't grab me, man!" Ivy yelled.

After the players were separated, veteran cornerbacks Chris McAlister and Samari Rolle spoke with Walker, who signed as a free agent during the offseason after playing with Green Bay in 2007.

"Chill out, man," Rolle said. "There's too much at stake."

For the first time in a decade, the Ravens are conducting a minicamp without Brian Billick, who was fired in January after a nine-year run. There are jobs at stake and a new offense to learn under Cam Cameron, which has fueled emotions at the three-day camp that started Friday. The players aren't wearing pads, but there's plenty of hitting going on -- much of it after the whistle.

"Man, it's intense out there," tight end Todd Heap said. "Everybody's trying to learn what's going on and everybody's a little bit on edge."

In a way, that's how Harbaugh likes it. Seeing two players fight on the practice field is nothing new, but to have the rest of the team join the fray is a sight not often seen on the football field. Yet none of the coaches immediately sought to restore peace, and defensive coordinator Rex Ryan was actually laughing as he stood in the background.

Ryan is one of the few holdovers from the Billick regime. He worked with Harbaugh years ago at the University of Cincinnati, and knows that Baltimore's new head coach won't let things get too crazy.

"He's always in control. When it's not going his way, he'll get it going his way," Ryan said. "That's part of it right now. I think there are a lot of people that are anxious and uncertain. We want it to be chaos. That's what John's talked about. You look at the tempo of our offense, the way we're setting things up and the different things we're doing under Cam. It's just new. It's more pressure on everybody."

Pressure is trying to rebound from a 5-11 season, which is exactly what the Ravens are attempting to do. Throw in the uncertainty of playing for a new coach, an undetermined depth chart and the fatigue that comes from practicing twice a day, and just about anything can happen.

"You go 5-11, guess what? You'd better be intense," defensive end Trevor Pryce said. "It doesn't matter who the coach is. You have to develop a sense of urgency at 5-11. You have to earn the right to have a calm and relaxing offseason, and you can't do that at 5-11."

Pryce, however, can't condone the fighting. Not while teams like the New England Patriots and New York Giants are using their minicamps to build on successful seasons.
Baltimore Ravens

"Go ahead, wrestle each other, pull each other's facemasks, yeah, great, wonderful, have fun. Now we gotta go play the Patriots. They won 18 straight football games. The Giants won the Super Bowl. Do we really have to prove we're all men?" Pryce said. "If we can get all this out of the way now, scrapping and being undisciplined and 80 men jumping in a pile together, fine. So now we've proved I'm tough, you're tough, hooray, we're all tough. Are we a good football team? What's more important, proving you're tough or proving we're a good football team? That's how I look at it."

Pryce said he was laughing at his teammates as they piled together in the middle of the field. It wasn't funny to Cousins and Gordon, but afterward they seemed at peace with each other.

"At the end of the day, we're teammates," Cousins said.

"We settled it like men," Gordon insisted. "No hard feelings."

Harbaugh liked the show of emotion, but doesn't expect to see a similar show anytime soon.

"We had a good practice. Our guys are competitive, they like football, it's going to happen," he said. "I think as they realize the tempo of the practice is going to stay the same, it will probably happen less and less. They're a feisty bunch."

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press.

[Kris P Lettus]

wanna put a bet on that?

I don't bet on the saints, in real life..

EVER

[SammyG]

Harbaugh? Wait. Is that the same Harbaugh that QB'ed the Colts a long time ago?

[CSL]

Jim Harbaugh

[Gonzo]

Harbaugh? Wait. Is that the same Harbaugh that QB'ed the Colts a long time ago?

No I think its his brother or something. The Harbaugh you're thinking of is the head football coach at Stanford.

[RP]

Captain Comeback

[owenbrown]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8130038/Suspects-in-Taylor-case-won%27t-face-execution

Suspects in Taylor case won't face execution

Updated: May 12, 2008, 1:04 PM EST


(http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php)
Prosecutors said Monday they will not seek the death penalty against four people charged with murdering Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor because the accused shooter was a minor when the crime was committed.The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that people cannot be executed for crimes committed when they're under 18, and it's a well established legal principle that others involved in the same case as a minor cannot face the ultimate penalty if they are less directly responsible.
Assistant State Attorney Reid Rubin filed notice Friday that the death penalty will be waived. That means the four suspects could get a maximum of life in prison if convicted of first-degree murder after a trial scheduled to begin Aug. 25.
Eric Rivera Jr., who turned 18 last month, was 17 at the time police say he shot Taylor during a botched robbery at the Pro Bowl safety's Miami-area home in November. Taylor, 24, died of massive blood loss after he was shot in the upper leg.
The Taylor family accepted prosecutor's explanation for the move, a family spokesman said.

[VonErichLives]

So.................

Matt Walsh had tapes that the NFL already knew about.

the 2 "new pieces of info"

1) Walsh had a tape of a player in 2001 practicing who was on the IR

2) He scalped super bowl tickets for some players, aproximately 12 tickets total.

what crap... this is all it was?

He said there is no tape of the Rams walk through
He also said the tapes were NEVER used during the game.

ok, they broke a rule, they got punished, nothing new here...

Can't wait to see how Spector spins this.

[Kris P Lettus]

But he also said he was supposed to turn over the Jets tape at half time of that game, but got caught before the half was over..

Even if they weren't watching them during the game, you're talking about divisional teams which you face atleast twice a year during the season and sometimes in the playoffs..

[Skippord]

So.................

Matt Walsh had tapes that the NFL already knew about.

the 2 "new pieces of info"

1) Walsh had a tape of a player in 2001 practicing who was on the IR

2) He scalped super bowl tickets for some players, aproximately 12 tickets total.

what crap... this is all it was?

He said there is no tape of the Rams walk through
He also said the tapes were NEVER used during the game.

ok, they broke a rule, they got punished, nothing new here...

Can't wait to see how Spector spins this.
Specter

[VonErichLives]

But he also said he was supposed to turn over the Jets tape at half time of that game, but got caught before the half was over..

Even if they weren't watching them during the game, you're talking about divisional teams which you face atleast twice a year during the season and sometimes in the playoffs..

right, which you would think makes it more likely you'd change your signals....

that being said, Goodell made it clear that he already knew these tapes went back to 2000, since Belicheck has always had a different interpertation of the rule, which gives the feeling that if they thought this was a 1-time thing the penalty wouldn't have been as bad.

most teams do some form of this, and had the Patriots taped the signals from a press box it would have been within the rules.. (think the NFL might clarify that this year), heck Jimmy Johnson talked about not just having these tapes but taking the visiting teams trash incase they threw away a game plan.

They broke a rule, were caught and were penalized.

Goodell even went on to say scouting signals is in the rules and teams are aware of this and most change signals and use other techniques.

on a seperate note there is talk the Patriots may sue the Boston Herald who ran the story that the Pats taped the Rams walk-through and there was no such taping.

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm pretty sure that the Boston Herald will retract and apologize..

LOL at how much of a homer you are.. If this was the Dolphins, you'd have the complete opposite opinion of the whole situation..

[VonErichLives]

I'm pretty sure that the Boston Herald will retract and apologize..

LOL at how much of a homer you are.. If this was the Dolphins, you'd have the complete opposite opinion of the whole situation..

exact same situation and it was the dolphins I'd feel the same.

They broke a rule, got caught and paid a penalty.

I expected this Walsh meeting to have something new... it didn't...

on the Herald it's interesting it looks like they didn't even cover the press confrence, rather then a retraction they've chosen to back up their write and his "source" but just ignoring it...

[RP]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO Patriots titles are tainted. Definetly should be an asterisks on all 3 titles. What a pathetic organization. With a pathetic coach. They should give all those throphies back. Just sickening. What an embarressement . Glad i dont root for those guys.

[Kris P Lettus]

lol RP

[VonErichLives]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO Patriots titles are tainted. Definetly should be an asterisks on all 3 titles. What a pathetic organization. With a pathetic coach. They should give all those throphies back. Just sickening. What an embarressement . Glad i dont root for those guys.

oh come'on... this must be a huge let down for you... be honest, you were dieing to see a tape of the Rams walkthrough...

and heck, if there was a Pats tape of the Rams walkthrough I'd want the 2001 title taken away.

They broke a rule, and paid the penalty.

I still love how "stealing signals" goodall explained wasn't against the rule, it was simply the location of their camera... which seems silly to me... so you can tape it from the press box, hire lip readers and the list goes on... I mean, you think the NFL would ban all forms of "signal stealing".

my other favorites from today.

Chris Cater who once again proves he has no clue what he's talking about... Maybe he has it out for Belicheck over the old Tom Jackson thing... but at least listen and know what you're talking about.

My other favorite was the NY Reporter trying to get Goodall to say the NFL caugh the Pats and the Jets had nothing to do with it, instead Goodall said the NFL caught the guy but were tipped off by the Jets.

Specter, Spector, Specs... moving his press confrence to tomorow so he has the press cycle on this all to himself and a day to try and spin it.


on a side note: Kripsy where did you get Walsh handed a tape over at half-time? I listed to most of the press confrence and have seen many quotes and blog posts and everything I've heard/seen clearly says Walsh turned over tapes to Ernie Adams at the end of the game.

this is from a jets blog, the rest of the posts are pretty funny also.

Matt Walsh specifically said that the tapes were held onto during the course of the game, that they were only handed off after the game’s conclusion to Ernie Adams.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4216


can't wait for this team to run the table next year and see what excuses people find. :)

[SammyG]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO Patriots titles are tainted. Definetly should be an asterisks on all 3 titles. What a pathetic organization. With a pathetic coach. They should give all those throphies back. Just sickening. What an embarressement . Glad i dont root for those guys.
:y::y::y::y::y::yes::yes::yes::yes:

[VonErichLives]

:y::y::y::y::y::yes::yes::yes::yes:

:roll: want someone to blame for you not winning in 2001? Try Mike Martz.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Pats will sweep it again this year. Or at least they'll be the best team stastically.

Spygate is done. People need to STFU about it.

[Kris P Lettus]

It's not done in the fact that the past 8 years are now tainted..

Just like Barry Bonds got the HR title without an * but people will always mention that every time he is talked about from now on..

[UmbrellaCorporation]

It's not done in the fact that the past 8 years are now tainted..

Just like Barry Bonds got the HR title without an * but people will always mention that every time he is talked about from now on..

That's a very valid point, actually. :y:

It just bugs me that people think that the Patriots are the ONLY team -EVAR- to steal signals. There's no proof that any other teams do it (yet), but it's asinine to think that every other team DOESN'T. When Jimmy Johnson even admits that he went through opposing teams' trash to find any clues as to what they'd be calling...it's hard to imagine that every other team isn't trying for the same edge.

I don't consider the past 8 years tainted. That's a personal opinion, but to me, even if you KNOW the plays, you still have to execute...and even ruling the Patriots' taping had no advantage during the season (See: Goodell)...it's not a hard fact to admit that they're a beastly team.

The Patriots got caught, they were punished, and that should be the end of it. People will always pull the 18-1* thing out, but even so...it's starting to come off as a very feeble and pussified attempt to discredit the Patriots, and when someone attacks the Patriots (like a lot of people do locally here in Tennessee, actually), and starts with that asterik shit...It just seems like a crybaby excuse. I like the Pats, so my opinion might seem biased...I just hate seeing things drug on. I hate Chicago, but even if Chicago pulled the same thing, I'd want it done with. Again, personal opinion...It happened, they were punished...and I wish that it could be the end of it.

But that's not to say that I don't look forward to the Pats/Colts every year. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that those games are near Super Bowl calibur.

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm not a big Pats fan by any means but I hate this for the whole NFL.. I mean, this would be like if we now found out Michael Jordan was juicing during all those Bulls championships..

I hate shit like this that "taints" the game..

:-\

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL "taints"

[VonErichLives]

I'm not a big Pats fan by any means but I hate this for the whole NFL.. I mean, this would be like if we now found out Michael Jordan was juicing during all those Bulls championships..

I hate shit like this that "taints" the game..

:-\

I understand your point, my question is, if the Pats had the exact same tape, taping the coaches, then the down/distance on the score board and then the play, but the video was shot from the coach's box would you feel the same way?

If the Patriots had a lip reader on the sideline who was watching the huddle to read the QB's lips to get the play, how would you feel?

I ask because both of those by NFL rules are legal, former player Fred Smerlas actually said on the Radio when he was in Buffalo they had lip readers but instead of focusing on the coaches they focused on the quaterback.

I'm just wondering if it's the act, which in many forms as Goodell said is legal, or the specific rule violation that upsets you?

[RP]

LOL@ everytime anyone mentions the Patriots Dynasty, the very next thing mentioned will always be Spygate.

[Kris P Lettus]

Good Lord Vel, stop trying to justify it..

FUCK

[Gonzo]

can't wait for this team to run the table next year and see what excuses people find. :)

Worked good for them in 2007.

18-1 BABY

[Kris P Lettus]

Lofa Tatupu got a DUI..

[SammyG]

Good. H8 him.

[VonErichLives]

Ok, let's try this again... krispy read a little slower this time so maybe you'll understand the questions.

I'm not a big Pats fan by any means but I hate this for the whole NFL.. I mean, this would be like if we now found out Michael Jordan was juicing during all those Bulls championships..

I hate shit like this that "taints" the game..

:-\

I understand your point, my question is, if the Pats had the exact same tape, taping the coaches, then the down/distance on the score board and then the play, but the video was shot from the coach's box would you feel the same way?

If the Patriots had a lip reader on the sideline who was watching the huddle to read the QB's lips to get the play, how would you feel?

I ask because both of those by NFL rules are legal, former player Fred Smerlas actually said on the Radio when he was in Buffalo they had lip readers but instead of focusing on the coaches they focused on the quaterback.

I'm just wondering if it's the act, which in many forms as Goodell said is legal, or the specific rule violation that upsets you?

Good Lord Vel, stop trying to justify it..

FUCK

:roll:

I'm not trying to justify anything, I've said all along they broke a rule and got punished, my question to you was you said it "taints the game" do you feel the rule they broke "taints the game" or the act of "stealing signals" "taints the game" because once again, "stealing signals" is legal, it's all how you do it.

but I'm not trying to justify anything, they broke a rule, got caught and paid a big penalty (would have rather seen a bigger fine or even belicheck suspended a few games then a 1st round pick, I don't think people realise how big that is).

Now, do I find it funny that people are flipping out over a rule they broke, that had they done the SAME THING from a different location would have been legal, sure.... but that doesn't change that they broke a rule and paid a price.

now back to Kripsy, is your issue that a rule was broken or stealing signals?

[Kris P Lettus]

That it's been blown up and the only "dynasty" of this decade is now soiled..

How can you not "get" this??

[RP]

Tuck rule, Rodney Harrison on HgH, Spygate. The New England Patriots "dynasty" is easily the most questioned dynasty in the history of the NFL.

[VonErichLives]

That it's been blown up and the only "dynasty" of this decade is now soiled..

How can you not "get" this??

how can you not seem to answer a simple question....

So, had the Patriots been caught taping the same thing from a legal location and the Jets turned them in and the NFL said "yes, they were taping signals, but the camera was in the press box which is legal" you'd have no issues?

That's all I'm trying to ask and you won't seem to answer, was your issue that the rule was broken "taints" the game or the idea of signals being stolen "taings" the game.

Tuck rule, Rodney Harrison on HgH, Spygate. The New England Patriots "dynasty" is easily the most questioned dynasty in the history of the NFL.

:roll: :rofl: :lol:

[SammyG]

Nothing to laugh about. RP is right, on all accounts.

[VonErichLives]

Nothing to laugh about. RP is right, on all accounts.

ya can't have it both ways.

Harrison on HGH he violated a rule
"Spygate" they violated a rule

"Tuck Rule" was the correct rule/call.

So, the dyntasy is questionable because the Refs made the correct call and questionable because they violated a rule...

it's either/or it can't be both.

but whatever, we have 3 rings and going to add a 4th this year.

Can't wait to see what BS excuse people pull out when the Pats win it all this year.

[Kris P Lettus]

Good Lord Vel, stop trying to justify it..

FUCK

It is my opinion they the Pats have fucked any credibility they ever had.. No amount on perfect seasons or your greasy tears will change that..

STFU

[VonErichLives]

It is my opinion they the Pats have fucked any credibility they ever had.. No amount on perfect seasons or your greasy tears will change that..

STFU

fat guy from the south calling anyone greasy... that's funny...

anyway, clearly you couldn't answer a simple question.

and "any credibility" so, before Belicheck was head coach? what about next season?

wait, never mind, you'll just answer something else and yell that I don't understand your answer when instead of answering the question asked you answer something else.

back to the subject... Spector is a nut job, but he wants an independent council like the one that looked into baseball and roids.

I loved that he brought up the Rams even though there was no Rams tape.

I also loved that when he brought up the Stealers somoene told him how the Steelers owners were satisfied with the penalty and wanted to move on.

Does anyone live in Philly, isn't there something Specter could be doing for you guys?

[RP]

ya can't have it both ways.

Harrison on HGH he violated a rule
"Spygate" they violated a rule

"Tuck Rule" was the correct rule/call.

So, the dyntasy is questionable because the Refs made the correct call and questionable because they violated a rule...

it's either/or it can't be both.

but whatever, we have 3 rings and going to add a 4th this year.

Can't wait to see what BS excuse people pull out when the Pats win it all this year.

:|

no clue what you did there

[Kris P Lettus]

You are insane, VEL..

[Gonzo]

You know what, I don't really like to get into these arguments because everyone makes themselves look like a bunch of jackasses but I fail to see how VEL is trying to justify anything.

The Patriots got punished for their actions, plain and simple. If you feel like that taints their dynasty then thats your own prerogative. It seems to me that everyone else is having a bigger problem moving on than VEL is with simply stating some facts.

[OssMan]

I think the patriots is a pretty cool guy, eh wins superbowls and doesnt afraid of anything

[UmbrellaCorporation]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4335/goindeepclubnq0.jpg

Who's joining? Who's ready to unleash the fucking fury?! Join greats like Rex "Fuck it, I'm goin' deep" Grossman, Brett "Legendary Interception" Favre, and Matt "We want the ball and WE'RE GONNA SCORE" Hasselbeck!

My vocabulary isn't that great.

Damn, let's be honest, it sucks. Because there are only TWO words in my vocabulary: HAIL. MARY.

4 yard passes? What the shit is that? We will accept no less than 60 yard passes, and that's even borderline of being a pussy.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Senator Specter is hilarious, he is claiming he wants a more indepth look at this because this whole situation is somehow telling children that "cheating is okay" (even though they got caught and where punished for it) but in actuality he is a disgrunted Eagles fan...so is he now telling children it is okay to lie to you to get your way? lol...Also I think he needs to realize that "SpyGate" didn't call the plays on the Eagles' final drive in the 4 quarter of the Superbowl

After seeing the tapes I don't even understand how they could help, unless the footage was all from the first half of games and they had someone edit them in time for half time. Such a fucking dumb move seeing how all this shit is getting piled on them for something that might not have been an advantage. They went 17-1 without any of the tapes, so I think that pretty much proves that they didn't need them, so I don't understand why they opened themselves up to this much shit.

[MVP]

Arlen Specter also has an unethical interest in the NFL because Comcast funds his campaign, so his efforts with Spygate and the whole NFL is a ploy to help Comcast monopolize NFL broadcasting by getting as many games on Comcast stations.

[MVP]

You know what, I don't really like to get into these arguments because everyone makes themselves look like a bunch of jackasses but I fail to see how VEL is trying to justify anything.

The Patriots got punished for their actions, plain and simple. If you feel like that taints their dynasty then thats your own prerogative. It seems to me that everyone else is having a bigger problem moving on than VEL is with simply stating some facts.

You sir, are correct.

[Hanso Amore]

I dont think the Pats should face anymore punishment, as Much as I hate them.

But I do think this tarnishes their records.

They are going to be remembered as Footballs Pete Rose.

He was one of the best players to ever play, the example of hard work and dedication....But he also broke a rule and now must live with the stigma.

[VonErichLives]

you'd think with Specters concern over the integrety of the game he'd have looked a little more into the NBA ref who was working for a bookie or Pete Rose who bet against his own team when he was a manager.

That being said, the committe he's on also has Ted Kennedy on it who realsed a statement basiclly saying with Iraq and Gas prices and Home forclosures they really have better things to do.

[Hanso Amore]

Pete Rose bet on baseball....For his team, not against it. He gambled, he never threw a game.

[VonErichLives]

Pete Rose bet on baseball....For his team, not against it. He gambled, he never threw a game.

it's been awhile but it was widely reported that he did bet against his team and that was the big problem MLB had and why he will NEVER get in the HOF because they feel he threw games or tried to throw games to cover bets.

[RP]

Probably one of the biggest days in Indianapolis ( the city ) history. If they dont get the 2012 Superbowl, i'd be floored. I'd seriously be stunned. This is as perfect of a place to hold a Superbowl and the wheather aint even a factor cause everything in downtown indianapolis is right next to eachother. THe walking would be minimal. Its gotta be a lock. ANd i'll start me a savings account to put some money away for tickets to that bad boy. I dont care what i have to pay.

[SammyG]

lol "wheather"

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's looking like the salary cap will be eliminated in 2010. Awful. Gonna be Dallas vs. Washington every Super Bowl (no typo, one of those teams will buy the AFC)</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Doubt we make it to an uncapped year. It's 2 years from now, something will most definatly be worked out before then.

[Kris P Lettus]

Dan Morgan retired..

:-\

[RP]

lol "wheather"

you cried at a party. I win no matter what. forever

[RP]

<font color=goldenrod>It's looking like the salary cap will be eliminated in 2010. Awful. Gonna be Dallas vs. Washington every Super Bowl (no typo, one of those teams will buy the AFC)</font>

Can they realign the divisions or something? Dallas cant play Washington in the Superbowl. I read a article by Peter King explaining what an uncapped year would mean. I cant qoute directly so you'll have to find it on SI.com, but he basically said that for the top tier teams, there are some stipulations that would keep them from going out and buying all the good teams available.

[VonErichLives]

i cant see the nfl ever doing and uncapped year... if it goes that long you'll probably see a lockout.

[RP]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SammyG]

Nice to see the Colts get that Superbowl. New stadium will prolly be amazing.

[Hanso Amore]

Yo Lettus, Grant is going to Jail like a mutha fucka

[Kris P Lettus]

For what??

[Hanso Amore]

He was charged with Murder!

[Hanso Amore]

They have a story at withleather.com

[OssMan]

You're with me leather

[SammyG]

lol @ Charles Grant.

[VonErichLives]

nfl wants to make it 17 regular season and 3 preseason

sounds great to me, but the NFLPA is gonna probably want the rosters expanded and a bump in contracts.

[road doggy dogg]

God I cannot wait for football season. I'm not even excited AT ALL for the Lions this year, I just want to see some goddamn football.
crossrine

[Kris P Lettus]

He was charged with Murder!

Involuntary Man Slaughter

He def didn't shoot the guy and ended up getting stabbed in the neck during the ruckus.. Don't think he'll get in trouble on this one..

[Kris P Lettus]

New Orleans Saints defensive end Charles Grant has been indicted on a charge of involuntary manslaughter stemming from a February altercation at a nightclub.

Grant, who was stabbed in the neck during the fracas, was charged by an Early County grand jury that also charged Laquient Macklin with felony murder and feticide in the shooting death of Korynda Reed, 23. Reed died after being taken to the Southeast Alabama Medical Center in Dothan, after the fight early Feb. 3.

The indictment was posted on the Web site of the Early County News on Tuesday.

District Attorney Charles M. Ferguson could not be reached for comment Tuesday night.

Sheriff's Capt. Will Caudill said at the time of the melee that there was no known connection between Grant and Reed. He said the fight started inside the club and then moved outside, and Grant was attacked after shots were fired.

Woodrow Gray was indicted on a charge of aggravated assault in the knife attack on Grant, a former University of Georgia star from nearby Colquitt.

Grant was selected by the Saints in the first round of the 2002 NFL draft. He had 2 1/2 sacks in 2007 while starting 14 games for the Saints and has 38 1/2 over his six-year career.

In addition to Grant and Macklin, and Marshae Stromer, Anthony Wilson, Jarvis Tinson, Rodreaco Gray and Woodrow Gray were charged with involuntary manslaughter for alleged participation in the fight.

Grant also received misdemeanor fighting charges.

The only reason he was indicted was becase he was invovled in the fight..

I just hope the trial doesn't happen till after the season..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He probably didn't do anything but even if he did he'll get out of it, he's an NFL defensive end. Shit Leonard Little admitted to killing someone but he's still allowed to sack the QB

[SammyG]

He doesn't sack QBs anymore, that's just in his job description.

[MTH15]

Man this offseason is so boring

[OssMan]

Still can't get over Superbowl 42, that was the best shit ever

[ClockShot]

The Broncos bring in Mike Pittman.

Either he's gonna run back-up. Or Shanahan ain't got alot of faith in Travis Henry.

[road doggy dogg]

They're going to keep one or the other. They already have two promising young backs, they only really need one "veteran" in the backfield. Probably a fallback if Henry continues to miss practices and proves to be a bust again this year. I reckon they'll prolly just cut Henry straight up.
crossrine

[Skippord]

Ryan Torain is going to wreck fools whenever he starts

[RP]

Still can't get over Superbowl 41, that was the best shit ever.

[OssMan]

Nah Superbowl 42 was way better.

[SammyG]

Superbowl 34 was better than both of those, and that is all truth. Down to the last second of the game, 1 yard short. come on.

[DaveBrawl]

Super Bowl XXXII tops them all. John Elway for the win.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I still have love for XXIII, first game I ever saw. Montana-Taylor for the win.

[SammyG]

Superbowl 34 was one of theb est superbowls ever played. If not the best.

[VonErichLives]

Superbowl 34 was one of theb est superbowls ever played. If not the best.

34 was good, 36 was better... :p

[Team Sheep]

Got some tickets for the NFL game in Wembley again this year. Cost £80 per ticket and they weren't even the top priced ones! They know they can charge whatever they like for that game. The first batch of 40,000 sold out in 90 minutes this morning.

The atmosphere will be shit again I bet but oh well, Saints and Chargers. Shoud be a good game. If the field holds up this time.

[SammyG]

34 was good, 36 was better... :p
:'(:foc::mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Got some tickets for the NFL game in Wembley again this year. Cost £80 per ticket and they weren't even the top priced ones! They know they can charge whatever they like for that game. The first batch of 40,000 sold out in 90 minutes this morning.

The atmosphere will be shit again I bet but oh well, Saints and Chargers. Shoud be a good game. If the field holds up this time.

Depends. If it doesn't torrential rain, that will help. And lets face it, the Dolphins being complete shit and blowing multiple chances to score/get turnovers/whatever kind of sucked the energy out of the crowd. Saints-Chargers should be way more competitive.

[Team Sheep]

Depends. If it doesn't torrential rain, that will help. And lets face it, the Dolphins being complete shit and blowing multiple chances to score/get turnovers/whatever kind of sucked the energy out of the crowd. Saints-Chargers should be way more competitive.

The thing is the crowd isn't exactly gonna be 50% Saints fans, 50% Chargers is it. It's just fans of the game, not fans of the teams. It's just people who are coming out to see the NFL game. I don't think they'll ever be able to get a great atmosphere going at one of those games. But yeah the action should be much more competitive this time. It was just so unfortunate that the game had to be played in absolute torrential rain last year, of any day.

And of course that fact that it was the Dolphins playing, and the point when the Giants were playing shit. But oh well it was still cool being there.

[OssMan]

How were the Giants "playing shit" when they were winning their 6th game in a row. They obviously played down to the Dolphins cause they are terrible.

And the people who went to the England game had no idea what was going on or something, like they all booed at the end of the game when the Giants were kneeling down

[Team Sheep]

How were the Giants "playing shit" when they were winning their 6th game in a row. They obviously played down to the Dolphins cause they are terrible.

And the people who went to the England game had no idea what was going on or something, like they all booed at the end of the game when the Giants were kneeling down

Okay my bad, they were in good form. But on the day both teams couldn't deal with the conditions and it could have gone either way. This year it will hopefully be a dry game and will encourage a great open game.

The English fans around me in the stadium though seemed really clueless and dissinterested after the first quarter. There just seems to be not much patience for the game over here. Like, I was reading on another message board where British fans were saying "The reason the sport will never be big over here is because it's too boring. If they had no stoppages like rugby then we'd all love it."

It frustrates me so much how ignorant people are about the game over here. The way I see it is if you can't respect the game for what it is, then don't bother watching. I don't know why you bother spending all that money on tickets when you just end up bitching and moaning. I've been to a game in the US and they'll never be able to replicate the atmosphere or the occasion of a game over there, but people should atleast be grateful that we're actually getting something.