NFL 2008 Off Season Thread

[SammyG]

Shawne Merriman just hit Chavo Guerrero with a Singapore Cane during WWE One Night Stand

[Mr. Monday Morning]

And the people who went to the England game had no idea what was going on or something, like they all booed at the end of the game when the Giants were kneeling down

Pretty sure that's because it was a Dolphins home game and they had just lost.

[road doggy dogg]

Calling it a Dolphins home game is just a semantics thing though. Could've said it was a Giants home game and it literally would have made zero difference.
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[ClockShot]

Yup. I called it. Broncos cut Travis Henry.

[Hanso Amore]

Hmm, Seems like Marshawn Lynch's car ran some lady over, now they are trying to figure out if he was in the car or not....


Fuck me Running.

[SammyG]

Leonard Little was in it.

[road doggy dogg]

Yup. I called it. Broncos cut Travis Henry.

Yeah czech me out calling it too :rant:
crossrine

[SammyG]

Too bad he is absolutely fucking retarded, because he is a top 5 back in this league.

[road doggy dogg]

TO signed a 4-year contract extension. This is by far the biggest news of the offseason, and I expect it to be covered accordingly.
crossrine

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I wonder if this had anything to do with Moss getting a 3 year deal? TO had to get that extra year? haha

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Calling it a Dolphins home game is just a semantics thing though. Could've said it was a Giants home game and it literally would have made zero difference.
crossrine

Eh, wouldn't be so sure. The crowd that I saw was definitely majority Dolphins. Not gonna argue there weren't people who didn't know what was going on cause there plainly were, but since at the time it was a one-off it probably attracted more uneducated types than the upcoming games will.

Hopefully :shifty:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

TO signed a 4-year contract extension. This is by far the biggest news of the offseason, and I expect it to be covered accordingly.
crossrine

Hatfest

http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/to.jpg

[RP]

TO is a closet fag. Dude was crying over Romo like he it was his secret lover or something. I'm pretty sure TO has sucked one or two cocks in his lifetime.

[Gonzo]

Ever heard the story of TO's childhood? Its no wonder he acts like an asshole.

[road doggy dogg]

I wonder if this had anything to do with Moss getting a 3 year deal? TO had to get that extra year? haha

Ahh my bad, technically it IS a 3-year extension... he had one left on his current deal and they just signed a new 4-year contract
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[SammyG]

I love TO because of that pic

[McLegend]

Didn't think it was possible to hate TO even more then I all ready do.

[RP]

You know what makes me sick, not that it matters, but Reggie Wayne is the best reciever in the NFL.

THere i said it. Its true. Reggie Wayne is the best reciever in the NFL. Nigga blew up last year and guess what...that nigga is gunna blow up again.


This will be out #4 reciever this year. The Colts have been developing him for the last 2 years. Everything the Colts are saying is that he's gunna play this year. He's a beast. Names Roy Hall.

You hear it here first

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[OssMan]

ok ser

still 3 MONTHS YEAH!!!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I remember seeing Roy Hall played at Ohio State, I don't remember him standing out all that much though

Heard Odell Thurman got caught again breaking the NFL's substance abuse policy? I haven't seen any follow up information but god damn...he's probably gonna be banned for a while now...if not forever

[Skippord]

Selvyn Youuuuuuuuuuuuungggggggg

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Michael Pittman too, he could be successful in that system...most running backs are

[Skippord]

yeah pretty syked about him too

[RP]

STOP SNITCHING NEW ENGLAND!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3425395

[SammyG]

Bob Sanders is gonna be on Jim Rome tommorrow, RP.

[RP]

no

Jim Rome will be on the Bob Sanders tommorow, SammyG.

[Ninti the Mad]

pacman

[ClockShot]

Cedric Benson got arrested for drunk driving again.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3430752

If this doesn't end his Bears run, I don't know what will.

[OssMan]

maybe AJ Hawk

[RP]

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[RP]

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[OssMan]

I marked out so hard when Strahan got that sack. Giants are awesome.

[RP]

17 points?????? Alright...

[Gonzo]

Its such a great feeling to see your team win a championship. Honestly, looking back at that game, I can't think of another thing in the world that brings a bigger smile to my face.

[Ninti the Mad]

Even though I am glad the Patriots got owned(LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL), I dont think the Giants will repeat with success.

[SammyG]

RAMS BABY SUPERBOWL CHAMPS

[Gonzo]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e229/thehage55/NFL/New%20York%20Giants/giants_inthetunnel.jpg

[OssMan]

nice try gonzo but that pic aint from last year :o

[SammyG]

Lorenzen looks slim.

[Gonzo]

nice try gonzo but that pic aint from last year :o

I know, its just bad ass.

[OssMan]

who is 88? David Boston?

[VonErichLives]

I love the joy RP takes in the Pats going 18-1, when the Colts got upset at home during the playoffs and didn't even make the AFC championship game...

[RP]

We werent the greatest team ever though remember?

[VonErichLives]

We werent the greatest team ever though remember?

and you never will be :D

[RP]

Thats fine.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Strahan</font> :(

[Gonzo]

Strahan :(

:'(:'(

[OssMan]

Ya Strahan is gone but now hopefully we will see both UMENYIORA and TUCK starting together :love:

[Ninti the Mad]

Sorry Giants. :wavesad:

[James Steele]

The Giants were a fluke who got lucky in the playoffs and had the game of their lives in SuperBowl XLII. XLIII will be the year America's Team takes what we have fucked ourselves out of the past 2 years.

Calling it now: Cowboys/Colts in SuperBowl XLIII

[Innovator]

America's Team? Whens the last time you won a playoff game?

GMEN

[OssMan]

The Giants were a fluke who got lucky in the playoffs and had the game of their lives in SuperBowl XLII. XLIII will be the year America's Team takes what we have fucked ourselves out of the past 2 years.

Calling it now: Cowboys/Colts in SuperBowl XLIIILOL

[OssMan]

Shut Up You Ignorant Ass

[SammyG]

I am having some major football withdrawls. 2 months to go.

[Jeritron]

Fuck that shit. Once they win a playoff game I'll listen.

Hard to see. I'm still pissed about the Patriots but I think they still gotta be favorites, or close to it.
Wouldn't be suprised if it was Pats vs Colts again in the AFC championship game

[Jeritron]

The Celts winning almost makes me angrier about the Pats. Fuckin of all the teams you'd think they were the most likely to win the championship. Could have been a 3 championship year.
Still could happen next year or in one of the next few years tho

Hard to expect people to understand complaining from a fan who's been lucky enough to see their teams win 6 world championships in as many years

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't think the Giants where a fluke at all but I'd be real surprised if they made it to the Superbowl again, just seems like they got hot at exactly the right time. You never know though

As for the Pats they are probably the favorites, or at the very least top 5 so we'll see. They got some questions in their secondary but they pretty much returned the entire offense outside of Stallworth and Kazcur (well potentially due to him being an FBI informant in a OxyContin case lol) so they should definitely win the AFC East again and hopefully get a bye in the playoffs.

[weather vane]

The Dolphins will go 5-10.

[Gonzo]

I don't think the Giants where a fluke at all but I'd be real surprised if they made it to the Superbowl again, just seems like they got hot at exactly the right time. You never know though.

I think you're right and I agree. The Giants put it all together and got the machine rolling at the perfect time.

As far as this season goes I have a bad feeling, although I hate to be pessimistic. Strahan's retirement, trouble with Shockey (does he want to stay or go? Do the Giants want him to stay or go? He got into a shouting match with our GM at minicamp) and the situations of Plaxico Burress' and Osi Umenyiora's contract disputes. I think Plaxico might hold out if they don't get a deal done.

I'm optimistic in the sense that we return pretty much the entire starting 22, and I'm confident in Jerry Reese's ability to draft rookies who can contribute. I will probably be let down though. :(

[Mayo]

The Dolphins will go 5-10.
As a Dolphins fan, I think thats pretty optimistic :-\

[SammyG]

RAAAAAAAAAMS SHOWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Crimson]

Kobe could start on defense for you guys

[SammyG]

Kobe would be a shutdown corner, raping wide receivers.

[Skippord]

Only the white ones

[DrA]

Pacman Jones' girlfriend at the time of the shooting incident was found dead in an alley in New York. Police say her injuries were consistent with being thrown off a roof.

[RP]

How Adam Jones is still in the NFL is beyond me. Is this the second person thats died involving that case? Nah he didnt have anything to do with it. No way. Its sickening tbh.

[RP]

I bet she was asking for money or she was gunna turn over on him and provide some evidence. And he had her killed. I'd bet so much money on that.

[DrA]

Also, Pacman Jones does not want to be known as Pacman anymore because of the bad connotations that come with it. So, for now on he wants to be known as Mr. Jones.

[RP]

I actually know him as Stupid Nigger

[Crimson]

Mr. Jones lol.. that's pretty crazy ,you got a link to the story anywhere?

[SammyG]

I actually know him as Stupid Nigger
:lol::lol:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought he said he wanted to drop the Pacman nickname? I didn't hear anything about Mr. Jones, if so lol

[RP]

Pacmans ignorant bullshit overshadows things like this

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=B730C49A5970EB2218B2D6F51DD54EC0?id=09000d5d808c41f8&template=without-video&confirm=true

I hope Pacman screws up. I pray that he screws up and never is aloud in the league again. He's a fucking fool.

[SammyG]

RP. You mean, Mr. Jones.

Jones.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pacmans ignorant bullshit overshadows things like this

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=B730C49A5970EB2218B2D6F51DD54EC0?id=09000d5d808c41f8&template=without-video&confirm=true

I hope Pacman screws up. I pray that he screws up and never is aloud in the league again. He's a fucking fool.
I don't think you can blame that type of thing getting overshadowed on Pacman though, well maybe but its just that people would rather hear about people fucking up and doing stupid shit rather than the "good stuff."

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I actually know him as Stupid Nigger

Less than 15 months after losing his gig on WFAN and MSNBC for making racially charged comments regarding the Rutgers women’s basketball team, radio icon Don Imus has danced dangerously close to, and arguably over, the line again.

On Monday, Imus had the following exchange with Warner Wolf:

Wolf: “Defensive back Adam ‘Pacman’ Jones, recently signed by the Cowboys. Here’s a guy suspended all of 2007 following a shooting in a Vegas night club.”

Imus: “Well, stuff happens. You’re in a night club, for God’s sake. What do you think’s gonna happen in a night club? People are drinking, they’re doing drugs. There are women there, and people have guns. So, there, go ahead.”

Wolf: “He’s also been arrested six times since being drafted by Tennessee in 2005.”

Imus: “What color is he?”

Wolf: “He’s African-American.”

Imus: “Well, there you go. Now we know.”

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Think I might have figured out RP's secret identity :eek:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow that dude is toast now lol

I am sure everyone is gonna be outraged now, even though I doubt anyone heard it live - since nobody even listens to that boring ass show.

[RP]

rofl thats fantastic

[RP]

lol thats hilarious. I'm not racist tbh. If it were some white guy, i'd be calling a white trash peice or shit.

Imus is great though. I wish all radio was that brutally honest.

[McLegend]

He's really dumb apparently.

[Gonzo]

Who cares? I don't see why people care about someone spouting off like that. In fact, people like him should be allowed to say whatever the hell they want. That way, people can look at him and teach children that this is what a jackass sounds like.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Hefty Lefty got released. :( Looks like its between Wright and Carr for the #2 spot (Woodson has #3 on lockdown because they won't risk losing him to the practice squad)</font>

[Gonzo]

I think they will keep Wright on. At least I hope they do.

[Evil Vito]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ravens-to-offer-fans-free-peck-your-eyes-out-s?urn=nfl,91061

<font color=goldenrod>Worst. Idea. Ever.</font>

[SammyG]

lol what the fuck. That is kinda cool, though, hoping the birds attack players.

[weather vane]

Favre to return?

[MTH15]

Naw Falcons to own? YEA

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, the Falcons won't win 6 games this year..

[Boomer]

6...you're being nicer than basically all sports media on the Falcons right now.

[Kris P Lettus]

I thinking maybe 4..

Let me go look at their schedule..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I am sick of hearing about Brett Favre

[SammyG]

Yeah, seriously. He fucking retired, he should stay retired.

[OssMan]

BREAKING NEWS: FAVRE SENDS TEXT MESSAGE TO GM

[UmbrellaCorporation]

lol

[MTH15]

:rofl: Seriously. I hope he comes back though

[ClockShot]

Brett Favre asks Green Bay for his unconditional release.

[ClockShot]

*double post*

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants sign Shane Olivea...nice. :cool: Never hurts to have some line depth.</font>

[RP]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!


Brett Farve likes his bread buttered!

[VonErichLives]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!


Brett Farve likes his bread buttered!

and his crust cut-off it's easier to gum w/o his fake teeth.

as for the Falcons, don't think they'll have a great year, but Turner is going to be a Stud and I think Matt Ryan will be a good NFL QB, I think their offense with Elam will keep them in a few games. Look at their schedule, how many games can they looking at it now "not win"?

I mean truely "top teams"...

SD... maybe GB but even they're a ? mark until we see what Rodgers can do...

Otherwise they play a lot of "middle road teams" and with a strong running game and if that offense clicks... dunno, don't see then in the playoffs but 7-9 wouldn't shock me...

[SammyG]

lol, Packers refuse to release Brett. This has been amazingly ridiculous.

[Big Fat Mike]

I hope Brett gets his release..... and then gets knocked into the 70's by Bob Sanders.


It could happen.

[Kris P Lettus]

Why is everyone hating on Favre now?? He hasn't done shit since he retired.. If anything, you guys should be mad at the media for continuing to blow this shit out of proportion..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Would be hilarious if they released him and he signed with the Vikings, who play opening night in Green Bay (was suppose to be Brett Favre's retirement ceremony)

[ClockShot]

Travis Henry tests positive for Marijuana, again.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, NFL is prolly gonna suspend him for a year..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Packers aren't gonna release Favre, if he gets reinstated they'll trade him out of the division, no way are they gonna let him go to Minnesota or Chicago.

Be funny if they traded him to Miami or Tampa and Favre threw a hissyfit and re-retired.</font>

[RP]

Trade him to the Colts to back up Peyton so he can relinquish his games played record and win another ring this year.

[Kris P Lettus]

He better not go to ATL or Tampa..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Apparently the Packers have now told Favre that he is welcome to come back, but he'll be a backup</font>

[SammyG]

Yeah, was about to post this. Wow. Brett Favre as a backup to Aaron Rodgers. MADDEN CURSE!

[Kris P Lettus]

I say they should keep "starting" him to keep his streak alive, even if it's only for one play..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Why is everyone hating on Favre now?? He hasn't done shit since he retired.. If anything, you guys should be mad at the media for continuing to blow this shit out of proportion..

The thing is they (Ted Thompson) went to talk to him after he had retired at his request, because he was having 2nd thoughts. Then he changed his mind and told them not to bother. So they moved on. They drafted two QBs for crying out loud, they now have Rodgers as the starter, Brohm as his backup, and the kid they drafted in the 7th as a project.

I agree they should just trade his rights to Miami or some shit. Hell send him to KC, they're used to having legends see out their careers there.

[Kris P Lettus]

As a longtime Favre fan (dating back to his days at Southern), I don't want him to go anywhere..

[VonErichLives]

Why is everyone hating on Favre now?? He hasn't done shit since he retired.. If anything, you guys should be mad at the media for continuing to blow this shit out of proportion..

and what are they blowing out of proportion?

Did he not retire? does he not want to come back? did he not asked to be released? which part is being blown out of proportion, I'm not following it that closely cause I just think it's really funny and really expected and also really makes Favre look like he doesn't care about his GB fans who cried when he retired.

I say they should keep "starting" him to keep his streak alive, even if it's only for one play..

I'll just assume you're joking...

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He isn't going to be a back up in Green Bay, there is no way

[SammyG]

Yeah, no shit. I am praying he ends up a Viking. Week 1 would be mad awesome.

[Crimson]

He could backup Romo

[Kris P Lettus]

and what are they blowing out of proportion?

Did he not retire? does he not want to come back? did he not asked to be released? which part is being blown out of proportion, I'm not following it that closely cause I just think it's really funny and really expected and also really makes Favre look like he doesn't care about his GB fans who cried when he retired.



I'll just assume you're joking...

He "retired" monthes ago and just a few days ago asked to be released.. Everything in between was media created..

[VonErichLives]

He "retired" monthes ago and just a few days ago asked to be released.. Everything in between was media created..

So, he never texted the GM asking to come back?

You're saying he retired and then asked to be released, so he never even asked GB about coming back? Wow, then he really is more of a shit then he already appears to be.

This guy is pissing on his own legend...

I love how GB talked about he could backup/mentor Rodgers a job he never really did, which is funny because I remember after they got Rodgers Farve being quoted "it's not my job to teach him" or something like that.

I've always been a huge Farve fan, but he needs to just shut-up and go away.

He also needs to tell his family to shut-up, everytime I turn on ESPN his mom or his brother was on some other radio show talking about "what Brett wanted" and "what they want Brett to do"..

almost wonder if it's his family pushing him.

[Kris P Lettus]

So, he never texted the GM asking to come back?

Even so, he's done three things in the past 5 months and he's in the newspaper and on Sportscenter everyday..

He's not putting himself in the spotlight.. Fuck sake he hasn't even done an interview on all of this yet..

I also think he's tarnishing his legacy but it's not his fault it's being blown up the way things are..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't get why he announced in March he planned on retiring, why didn't he just give Green Bay heads up and be like "I'm not sure yet give me a few months of rest then I'll decide." It's not like Green Bay wasn't already prepared for him to leave - they drafted a QB in the first round 3 years ago :|

As for pissing on his legacy I dunno about all that, when I think of Micheal Jordan and his run with the Wizard I don't see it as pissing on his legacy by any means, or Jerry Rice or Joe Montana

[VonErichLives]

Even so, he's done three things in the past 5 months and he's in the newspaper and on Sportscenter everyday..

He's not putting himself in the spotlight.. Fuck sake he hasn't even done an interview on all of this yet..

I also think he's tarnishing his legacy but it's not his fault it's being blown up the way things are..

guess you're sports coverage is different where you are, he was out of the news cycle until the story broke he wanted to come back and then he (or his agent) denied it.

As I said early, I don't think it helps him having his mother and brother doing interviews to say how "brett feels".


I don't get why he announced in March he planned on retiring, why didn't he just give Green Bay heads up and be like "I'm not sure yet give me a few months of rest then I'll decide." It's not like Green Bay wasn't already prepared for him to leave - they drafted a QB in the first round 3 years ago :|

As for pissing on his legacy I dunno about all that, when I think of Micheal Jordan and his run with the Wizard I don't see it as pissing on his legacy by any means, or Jerry Rice or Joe Montana

Rice and Montana are different, neither on (unless I'm forgetting something) retired and came back.

As for Jordan, I always forget he came back with the Wizzards... which was actually his "2nd comeback" although it's still rumored the whole "baseball thing" was Sterns way of giving him a 1yr suspension w/o killing the league in the press.

anyway, I hope GB sticks to their guns on this.

[SammyG]

If I'm Green Bay, I trade him. It's the only thing you can do, that your team can benefit from.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I really want him to play for the Vikings, that would be so unbelievably awesome.

If he does get traded it would probably be to somewhere lame as hell like Tampa Bay or something

[Mr. Monday Morning]

On how close Favre was to returning in the spring: McCarthy says before he departed for the NFL meetings in Palm Beach on the last weekend of March, he had heard that the quarterback was interested in playing again. McCarthy called Favre, and Favre said he was seriously considering it. McCarthy said he talked with Thompson and they agreed they should take Favre back as a starter.

They got a member of the Packers Board of Directors to give them his private plane for the day, and planned to go to Favre's Hattiesburg home on the following Tuesday, from the league meetings, to iron out all the details of Favre's return. "I was just going into mass Saturday at 5 with my wife,'' McCarthy said, "and my cell phone rang. It was Brett. He said he and [his wife] Deanna talked about it, and he was going to stick to his original decision. I said, 'Are you sure?' ... And he said he was sure.''

This is the key point. They have him a chance to come back already, AT HIS REQUEST, and he chose to pass. Fuck him.

[VonErichLives]

any chance he wants to play, his wife doesn't and this is a family feud between the wife and the mother/brother?

[Kris P Lettus]

guess you're sports coverage is different where you are

I live an hour away from Hattiesburg, where Favre currently live..

[RP]

So the fuck what. Its Brett Farve. If the guy wants to comeback he should be allowed to come back. He's done so much for that organization. He deserves more respect then being told he'll be a backup. If the Colts ever treated Peyton Manning like that, i'd be besides myself as a fan. I still cant believe Rice and Montana finished playing somewhere else. Especially Montana. Farve is owed more. He's still a top 5-7 QB in a league that severly lacks great QB's.

[Kris P Lettus]

I am with you.. I was just defending him from the now Favre haters that have come out of the woodwork when it's the media who has blown this totally outta proportion..

[VonErichLives]

I live an hour away from Hattiesburg, where Favre currently live..

I am with you.. I was just defending him from the now Favre haters that have come out of the woodwork when it's the media who has blown this totally outta proportion..

The Media hasn't blown anything out of proportion, if he's been on your local news every day since he retired then that must be because you live 1hour from him.

The rest of the world he disapeared after he retired until this recent stunt, which is pretty pussy to claim "I never contacted the packers" and then it comes out he did.

So the fuck what. Its Brett Farve. If the guy wants to comeback he should be allowed to come back. He's done so much for that organization. He deserves more respect then being told he'll be a backup. If the Colts ever treated Peyton Manning like that, i'd be besides myself as a fan. I still cant believe Rice and Montana finished playing somewhere else. Especially Montana. Farve is owed more. He's still a top 5-7 QB in a league that severly lacks great QB's.

In Montanas case they had a pretty good guy in the waiting... that was a trade. I always forget, was Rice cut with Ronnie Lott and Roger Craig or was that years later?

My issue with Farve is the way he treats the Packers, he jerks them around... he plays the whole maybe I will/maybe I wont game which leaves a team and future plans in the lurch, now he finally wants to hang it up, they tripple check with him... and now he wants to come back, contacts the team, then pretends he didn't.

Just stop screwing the Pack around.

As for "treatment" it's pro sports, for every player that will give it all for 1 team, there are 10 who will jump shift for an extra buck, and Favre has always been about Favre not about what's best for the Packers.

[Kris P Lettus]

Vel, there has been something about Favre every day on NFL Live since he retired.. Or at least since Mort broke that story of him wanting to come back like a week later..

It's ridiculous how onesided your "discussions" are..

[RP]

If VEL says he's right, he's right.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Packers are already fucked because of this, so I don't really care what happens. Gonna be a media circus either way

[VonErichLives]

Vel, there has been something about Favre every day on NFL Live since he retired.. Or at least since Mort broke that story of him wanting to come back like a week later..

It's ridiculous how onesided your "discussions" are..

it's ridiculous how everytime you say something wrong you change what you said/meant and try to blame the other person...

The Media hasn't done crap, Favre did this.

He's screwed with the Packers for a few years now, and rather then saying "Hey, can I find a team and then you work out a trade" he wants an outright release so he can be a free agent and the team gets nothing after he retired on them.

Shit, Barry Sanders Timing (after the draft) was horrible but at least he stayed away.

Isn't it kinda fitting though last year being his last year, since it was also Strahans and he gave him that sack record...

If VEL says he's right, he's right.

and if someone proves I was wrong I admit I'm wrong...

Packers are already fucked because of this, so I don't really care what happens. Gonna be a media circus either way

I get a kick out of the protesters, but if they deal Farve or refuse to release him and he doesn't come back, does anyone really think these people will stop rooting for the Packers? of course not.

The Pack will ride out a little bad press, the only thing that could really kill them is if Rodgers sucks, but if that happens I'd bet Favre would be back... I'm actually kinda surprised he didn't wait hoping that Rodgers would suck a few games then a story would leak "Favre says he's in great shape and could come back and play in a week"

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Vel, there has been something about Favre every day on NFL Live since he retired.. Or at least since Mort broke that story of him wanting to come back like a week later..

Which it turns out was true, and instigated by Favre, btw. If nothing had happened since then they would've gone quiet as soon as it became obvious there was nothing to it, there'd be some buildup for the MNF game where his ceremony is (was) going to be, and then that'd be that. Adios.

But since there WAS something to it, clearly, they have kept digging. And the people around him, at least, just won't clam up. Which you would think he would have some control over.

I don't especially dislike the guy. I remember when he first broke through after Madjkowski (sp) got injured, and it was pretty cool to see this kid, basically, running around and just throwing bombs all over the place. But seriously, he has a major case of the Can't Quits, yet keeps finding a way to make it look like someone else's fault.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't get what the media is blowing out of proportion either, they where just trying to figure out if he was coming back or not. Which he is and that's all they where trying to find out - what exactly was blown out of proportion? Was there a ton of coverage on this? Yeah there was, but its the middle of July - what the hell else are they going to talk about in regards to the NFL right now - especially on fucking NFL Live....

Heard Favre say he was pressured into a decision back in March, which if true would make this whole thing make a lot more sense - to me anyway. Because I can't understand why he didn't wait until around this time to make his decision, I mean its obvious he is good enough to skip a few OTAs and mini camps and still ball out, plus GB already had the QB waiting so its not like he would fucked them over with the draft or anything.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

He's also bitching about them not signing Moss and not re-signing Marco Rivera and Wahle and god only knows what else. You're not the fucking GM Brett.

[VonErichLives]

He's also bitching about them not signing Moss and not re-signing Marco Rivera and Wahle and god only knows what else. You're not the fucking GM Brett.

maybe if he didn't have a shit year in 2006 and did better then 8-8, (thanks Detroit!) and made the playoffs and he was 10yrs younger... then maybe Moss would have picked GB over NE... :roll:

Apperently the 2nd part of this fox interview comes out tonight and Farve has said he may show up at camp to call their bluff...

I hope he shows up and they deal him (does he have a no trade clause?)

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'd lol if they did something like trade him to the Jets for a draft pick and then the Jets went ahead and dealt him to the Vikings for a slightly higher pick or something.</font> :lol:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I remember when the Jets where dealing Vilma they were open to trade him to anyone but the Patriots (might have been entire the AFC East but I think it was just the Pats) and I was thinking how hilarious it would be if he got traded twice and ended up in New England. He wouldn't fit in the Patriots defensive scheme so it would have never happened but still. Hopefully the double trade thing with Favre plays out, really want to see him playing for the Vikings. Highly doubt that will happen but that would be the best possible ending for me with this whole Favre thing. I really don't want him to end up back in Green Bay, that would be lame as hell.

[Skippord]

the Vikes would be pretty beastly with Bret Farve

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bears signed Kevin Jones, that's a good pick up for them. I think he'll bounce back from his knee injury

[RP]

I really like Kevin Jones and i think the Bears made a huge pick up with him . The Bears more then any team needs someone with some explosiveness.

[VonErichLives]

yeah, if he finally heals he can be a great back, he's also a good pass catcher which can be huge.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Bears o-line is not that great though tbh

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No threat of a passing attack can help make any offensive line look bad. Kevin Jones isn't gonna solve this obviously but hes still an upgrade. I think the dude they drafted is gonna do alright too, Forte. They really need to solidify the passing attack though - I still don't think they have named a starter at QB.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL @ these seats in the new Colts stadium

http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/frontrowseats.jpg

Apparently they won't be sold until after all other tickets are sold...just for people who NEED to be at the game.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

Who would pay money for those??

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

There are seats like that at Fenway...I sat behind a pole one time in right field :( You could kinda put your head around it to see though, that pole is pretty huge. (no homo)

I can't believe a new stadium would have seats like that though, mostly new structures boast about "no obstructed views"

[RP]

There are seats like that in every new or old stadium being built, but its still annoying as hell. There shouldnt be with all the money being put into this thing. I doubt they'll be sold. Probably used for security or something.

[RP]

I can already see how all AFC South Previews will go. They've been the same for the last 4 years. They go something like " This is the year the Jaguars finally win the division. Indy might be in trouble. Jacksonville has really caught up "

Catching up should be Jacksonvilles team slogan. Thats all Indy has heard for 4 years. I'm sure Deion Sanders will get loose on television talking about how this is an average Colts team and how the Jags are better and will beat us for the division, despite the fact that this years Colts team is actually the best team i've seen them field ever.

[Kris P Lettus]

Doubt it, cause everyone is already riding the Colts jocks as the best team in the AFC next to the Pats..

[VonErichLives]

There are seats like that in every new or old stadium being built, but its still annoying as hell. There shouldnt be with all the money being put into this thing. I doubt they'll be sold. Probably used for security or something.

I don't think Gillete has any "pole seats" actually, I don't think many of the "new places" have them which is the whole purpose of a "new place".

Fenway is older then dirt so it makes sense and they label the tickets (at least they do now) "obstructed view".

but it's all about the $$$ someone will pay for those.

RP, does the new stadium hold more or less then the new? (not counting luxury boxes)

That was one thing I kinda suprised when the built Gillete, they had over a 50K waiting list for season tickets and could have built a much bigger stadium on that land but chose not to.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Now that I think about it one of my friends got an "obstructed view" seat to Bruce Springsteen at Gillette Stadium I think...but that might just been because of the set up due to it being a concert.

[Kris P Lettus]

The only "obstructed view" seat in the Chocolate Thunderdome are the mid section corners of the endzone cause you can't see like ten feet of said endzone..

[VonErichLives]

Now that I think about it one of my friends got an "obstructed view" seat to Bruce Springsteen at Gillette Stadium I think...but that might just been because of the set up due to it being a concert.

interesting, cause I know the Krafts made a big thing about how every seat was pointed at the 50yd line and they weren't putting seats behined polls...

[RP]

I don't think Gillete has any "pole seats" actually, I don't think many of the "new places" have them which is the whole purpose of a "new place".

Fenway is older then dirt so it makes sense and they label the tickets (at least they do now) "obstructed view".

but it's all about the $$$ someone will pay for those.

RP, does the new stadium hold more or less then the new? (not counting luxury boxes)

That was one thing I kinda suprised when the built Gillete, they had over a 50K waiting list for season tickets and could have built a much bigger stadium on that land but chose not to.

It holds more. Something like 70,000 if they move some shit i guess. Should have been way more. There more then 60 thousand people on the waiting list for season tickets i've read. So i'll be waiting for a long time.

As far as blind spots, I dont know this for fact, but i would guess most places even new places have blind spots. Its really tough not to with stadiums this big. Its either, put some seats there or leave a big 15 x 15 ft area spaceless. But who knows. Its dissapointing lookings, but this stadium is something else.

[RP]

I can already see how all AFC South Previews will go. They've been the same for the last 4 years. They go something like " This is the year the Jaguars finally win the division. Indy might be in trouble. Jacksonville has really caught up "

Catching up should be Jacksonvilles team slogan. Thats all Indy has heard for 4 years. I'm sure Deion Sanders will get loose on television talking about how this is an average Colts team and how the Jags are better and will beat us for the division, despite the fact that this years Colts team is actually the best team i've seen them field ever.



ROFL

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/07/18/buzz/index.html

[VonErichLives]

in fairness any team gets questioned with key players coming off injuries, especially if they wont be cleared to start camp and if some of those guys aren't 100% especially Manning it's a big deal.

That being said, I have trouble taking Bucky Brooks as an expert.

although he did say "is this" not "this will be".

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh no, Peyton Manning is going to miss most of the preseason? They are definitely in trouble...........

[OssMan]

Redskins traded more draft picks, but they got Jason Taylor for a 2nd round p ick next yera and a 6th round pick the year after. That is a retarded trade.

[VonErichLives]

Redskins traded more draft picks, but they got Jason Taylor for a 2nd round p ick next yera and a 6th round pick the year after. That is a retarded trade.

for which side?

The skins just lost the starting DE for the year, the Skins were a WC team last year... and feel they can make a run...

The Phins (read: Parcells) was pissed at Taylor.

I was hoping the Pats would get Taylor, but I can understand not wanting him in the Division.

what really suprises me is he wanted to go to Washington and didn't request, NE, Indy or Dallas.

he's not a young guy, but still in great shape and still can play at the top level...

dunno, seems like it makes sense for both teams...

[McLegend]

I don't want Jason Taylor in the NFC East.

I really hope he becomes unmotivated waste of money. REally hoping that.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Glad he's off the Dolphins

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Shockey to the Saints for 2 draft picks, pending league approval</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

Just received a phone call about it..

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I have a feeling our offense will be pretty unstoppable this year..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wonder if they gave up a 2nd rounder, if they didn't that's pretty good considering Jason Taylor was traded for one and he is probably only going to play this season.

[Kris P Lettus]

I dunno yet.. I haven't even checked online.. My brother just called me and I came here..

:o

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

2nd and a 5th

[Kris P Lettus]

Second and fifth, but I think it's worth it.. It'll def take pressure off Colston/Henderson/Patten/Meachem and we have lacked a big play TE for a long time.. Eric Johnson was a bust..

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By Jay Glazer
Jay Glazer is a Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com on MSN and also appears every week on FOX NFL Sunday as the network's NFL Insider.

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The Giants have agreed to trade their disgruntled tight end to the New Orleans Saints for a second-round pick and a fifth-round pick, FOXSports.com has learned. The deal is pending league approval, according to a league source. Shockey must also pass a physical.
The compensation is the same the Saints offered New York back in April prior and during to the draft ... and it was turned down.
The move comes one day after Jason Taylor was traded from Miami to New York's NFC East rivals in Washington. According to a report on SI.com, the Giants had held discussions about a three-team trade in which they would have ended up with Taylor, the Saints would have landed Shockey and the Dolphins would have received a pair of draft picks.
The emergence of rookie Kevin Boss during the Giants' improbable Super Bowl run — a stretch Shockey missed due to a broken leg — made Shockey expendable. Boss started six games after Shockey's injury (two regular season and all four during the Giants' postseason run), making nine catches for 140 yards and a TD.
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Shockey's attitude made the move somewhat necessary as the Giants sought to avoid distractions from their bid to repeat as Super Bowl champions.
During the team's recent minicamp, Shockey reportedly engaged in a shouting match with GM Jerry Reese, just the latest controversy involving the outspoken former first-round pick out of the University of Miami.
Shockey's absence in Phoenix during the Super Bowl was conspicuous to say the least. According to some reports, one of the many sources of Shockey's displeasure with the team was that he was not allowed to stand on the team's sidelines during the game.
In the past, Shockey also had less-than-complimentary things to say about his quarterback, Eli Manning. In fact, many have theorized that Manning's transformation from a middle-of-the-pack quarterback to a Super Bowl MVP was facilitated by Shockey's absence.
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[Gonzo]

Well, as good of a player as Shockey can be, he is an injury case every year. I mean, don't get me wrong, the guys production is going to be in the upper echelon every year but at no point does one player become more important than the team. The way things were shaping up this year I could see this whole situation becoming a huge problem. Probably better off for both parties. Good luck to him.

[Kris P Lettus]

Reminder: he will not push Brees around like he did Eli..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I liked Shockey, but I pretty much have to ditto what Gonzo said.

Anyway, now I really need a new Giants' jersey. I've had Shockey's since 2003 and I got Tiki's a week before he announced his retirement (and even then I figured it'd be OK since he'd be a Giants legend.....had no idea he'd turn into a dick)

gonna go with D this time and get a Justin Tuck</font> :love:

[OssMan]

:(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Get a Zak DeOssie jersey, he's from around here

[OssMan]

Giants are making all season ticket holders for the new stadium buy some stupid license which lets you buy a seat. The seats that my grandfather currently owns would be $20,000 for a license, if he gets put into the same area of the stadium that he is in now. Def can't afford that. Oh well.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I love DeOssie, I've got him as a Facebook friend and it's really him, complete with pics and all that.

It's funny cause he seems to check it regularly like most people I know.....I even saw him online early in the day on Superbowl Sunday, found it hilarious.</font> :o

[OssMan]

Per seat I should add

[Kris P Lettus]

Osi is the only Giant I really like..

[VonErichLives]

Giants are making all season ticket holders for the new stadium buy some stupid license which lets you buy a seat. The seats that my grandfather currently owns would be $20,000 for a license, if he gets put into the same area of the stadium that he is in now. Def can't afford that. Oh well.

most new stadiums do that, but the trade off is supposed to be they keep the ticket prices down and it gives you the right to transfer the tickets to whoever you want.

The Pats have some of the highest ticket prices in the league but no seat license, but it also means if someone has seasons and wants to transfer them to a friends name they can't. Originally they weren't even allowing family members and had a lot of dead people with tickets still under their name that a family member paid for so they wouldn't lose the seats, I'm fairly sure a few years ago they passed something that allowed next of kin to take over the tickets.

[Kris P Lettus]

July 20, 2008

Back to school: Saints return to Millsaps

Stephen K. Lee
slee4@jackson.gannett.com
As the July sun beats down on the red bricks at the center of the Millsaps Bowl, there is hardly a sound on the century-old campus.
In a few days, that silence will be broken by the shrill pitch of whistles, the thud of collisions and the boom of pigskin meeting the human foot.
Starting Wednesday, summer school will be in session for the New Orleans Saints, who return to Millsaps College for the third straight year to hold their 2008 training camp. The Saints are scheduled to report to Millsaps on Wednesday, with the first two of 29 practices set for Thursday. The Saints will break camp Aug. 12. All on-campus practices are open to the public.
Ole Miss alum and Lena native Deuce McAllister is glad to be back practicing in front of his home crowd.
"It's always great to be back home," said McAllister, who's coming back from tearing the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee. "I take the most pride in kids being able to see us in practice on a daily basis and see how we operate and how we work since practice is open.
"I'm most proud of the opportunity that Mississippi kids have to come see us."
Since it's Year 3 at Millsaps, McAllister thinks a lot of his teammates have grown accustomed to camping in Jackson and the running back anticipates a diminished role as local tour guide.
Millsaps President Frances Lucas said having the Saints back at the school is like a family reunion.
"We are delighted to host the Saints camp for a third year," said Lucas in an e-mailed answer to questions. "We believe they are a part of our Millsaps community and will invite them to join us for years to come."
The Saints had a magical season following their first training camp at Millsaps, falling one victory shy of the Super Bowl. But in coach Sean Payton's second year, the Saints stumbled to an 0-4 start and finished with a 7-9 record in 2007.
In an attempt to get back to where they were in 2006, the Saints made offseason moves aimed at winning now. The team produced a solid draft class and took an aggressive approach in free agency and trades, adding players like linebacker Jonathan Vilma and cornerback Randall Gay.
"You only have so many years to make a run at a championship," said McAllister. "Hopefully we're still in the early stages and we can make a run for a couple more years."
Lucas sees the Saints' objective during their 21-day stay in Jackson as similar to the college's academic goals.
"The leadership of the college and the [Saints] coaches have the same goals for students' and players' time spent on campus," she said via e-mail. "Both are here to prepare for a successful future. Whether that time involves mastering chemistry or preparing for a championship NFL season, the learning is what is important."
The Saints and Millsaps students may have similar objectives when it comes to success, but the former will of course be bunking a little more in style.
For one, Saints players won't have to worry about searching Bed Bath & Beyond for those hard-to-find twin extra long bed sheets as approximately 144 queen-sized beds will be swapped in for all team personnel.
Also, the Saints plan to chow down heavily.
According to David Woodward, Millsaps' chef and manager of dining services, the Saints will consume some 300-325 pounds of protein (beef, chicken, pork, fish), 250 pounds of starch and 450 pounds of fruits and vegetables each day. In other words, a half a ton of plants and animals get digested daily.
For students sticking around for the summer, sharing their campus with the Saints is old news.
Evan Bauer, a 19-year-old sophomore from Corinth, isn't starstruck by the thought of professional football players hanging out on campus for three weeks.
"They're professionals and they have a job to do and I don't want to bother them," said Bauer, a chemistry major. "I'm in summer school and I gotta do my stuff."
Bauer said that Millsaps does a good job of keeping the Saints in one area and the summer students in another. He said that freshmen tend to get overly excited about the team being on campus, perhaps thinking they'll get to hang out with the likes of Reggie Bush and Drew Brees.
Bauer is more realistic about the Black and Gold presence at Millsaps. "I think it's been very beneficial for us in the news and just getting our name out there," he said.
However, the Saints do interact with some of the summer students. Last year, Hanna Olivier, 19, landed a summer job with the Saints through Millsaps Career Services.
"I helped out the front desk, like anything secretarial that they needed," said Olivier, a biochemistry and classical studies double major from Lafayette, La. "I was there to kind of help out the other lady who did that."
Olivier enjoyed her experience working for the Saints.
"I was kind of sitting in the middle of everything," she said. "Everybody was very nice and friendly so it was good interaction."


Training camp starts here on Thursday.. As usual I'll have pics and reports up..

[VonErichLives]

the "benefit" of a seat license is say a place like Washington where they always sell out and have a crazy waiting list you can sell the rights to you're season tickets, so if paid 20K per seat license you might be able to get 50K or whatever from someone for the rights.

they also usually let you finance it with the team.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

<font color=goldenrod>I love DeOssie, I've got him as a Facebook friend and it's really him, complete with pics and all that.

It's funny cause he seems to check it regularly like most people I know.....I even saw him online early in the day on Superbowl Sunday, found it hilarious.</font> :o
Yeah he has written on my friends wall before on Facebook (he played at Brown with him) so I think he uses it quite frequently. Gotta remember he was a college kid just a few years ago haha

I remember seeing a photo on there from a party at Brown and there was a kid drinking a beer while wearing DeOzzie's helmet from the Senior Bowl

[Evil Vito]

Yeah he has written on my friends wall before on Facebook (he played at Brown with him) so I think he uses it quite frequently. Gotta remember he was a college kid just a few years ago haha

I remember seeing a photo on there from a party at Brown and there was a kid drinking a beer while wearing DeOzzie's helmet from the Senior Bowl

<font color=goldenrod>Haha, nice. It's pretty funny to think that prolly 80% of the players drafted nowadays have Facebooks.</font> :o

[RP]

I wonder if Bobby Desmond Sanders has a Facebook page.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

<font color=goldenrod>Haha, nice. It's pretty funny to think that prolly 80% of the players drafted nowadays have Facebooks.</font> :oI remember when I was hammered one night a few years ago I added a bunch of college players. A lot of them who have made the NFL though have deleted their pages lol

[OssMan]

most new stadiums do that, but the trade off is supposed to be they keep the ticket prices down and it gives you the right to transfer the tickets to whoever you want.

The Pats have some of the highest ticket prices in the league but no seat license, but it also means if someone has seasons and wants to transfer them to a friends name they can't. Originally they weren't even allowing family members and had a lot of dead people with tickets still under their name that a family member paid for so they wouldn't lose the seats, I'm fairly sure a few years ago they passed something that allowed next of kin to take over the tickets.
$160 a ticket, double the current price

[Gonzo]

Reminder: he will not push Brees around like he did Eli..

I wouldn't necessarily call it that. I just don't think his personality and attitude meshed. Their styles didn't click. Putting that aside, I think its a win-win for both teams. From this point, the only thing the Saints have to worry about is him staying healthy.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"I don't watch what I say. I cannot stand the Buckeyes and having to live in Ohio and hear those people talk about their team it drives me absolutely nuts. Now we got Keith Rivers out there and we got Frostee Rucker we finally got a couple of other SC guys. It's amazing to hear what those guys think about that university and what they think about that football program and Tressel and all the crap I gotta put up with being back there. I just can't wait for two years from now when SC comes to the Shoe and hopefully we'll have a home game that weekend and I can go up there and watch us pound on them in their own turf and kind of put all the talk to rest because I'm really getting sick of it and I just can't wait for this game to get here so they can come out to the Coliseum and experience LA and get an ald-fashioned Pac-10 butt-whooppin and go back to the Big Ten."

- Carson Palmer on the upcoming USC/Ohio State football game

[Kris P Lettus]

I wouldn't necessarily call it that. I just don't think his personality and attitude meshed. Their styles didn't click. Putting that aside, I think its a win-win for both teams. From this point, the only thing the Saints have to worry about is him staying healthy.

Seeing the coverage yesterday made me question why everyone thinks he's a health liability.. I mean, he has missed atleast one game every season, but he's only missed more than that two times.. One was last year when he broke a bone.. It's not like he has a bad knee (or knees like Deuce :( ) or has some nagging back injury.. It's hard to expect a guy to play every game for 7 years or whatever, when his job is to block DEs and LBs in the trenches and catch passes over the middle..

Maybe Gonzo or Vito can shed more light on his injury history..

[Innovator]

Plax is pissed about Shockey being traded. I can see where he is coming from, since now the double team will come to Plax

[RP]

Plax is pissed about Shockey being traded. I can see where he is coming from, since now the double team will come to Plax

yah since Steve Smith and Amani Toomer cant catch half the balls thrown to them. I'd imagine they'll be left to defend themselves.

[VonErichLives]

$160 a ticket, double the current price

Where are the Seats? if you're in the first section thats not crazy for an nfl team, they also couldn't have timed the super bowl any better, people will pay it easily because of that.

[OssMan]

Where are the Seats? if you're in the first section thats not crazy for an nfl team, they also couldn't have timed the super bowl any better, people will pay it easily because of that.
on the 32 yard line in like the 5th row. $80,000 total and they want my grandfather to start paying in a month so they can collect all the money and let it gather a ton of interest. makes me not even want to be a giants fan anymore.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

5th row eh? They are trying to kick him out in order for companies and corporations to buy those seats - sorry GrandPa you'll have to move to the nose bleeds or get the fuck out

[Gonzo]

Seeing the coverage yesterday made me question why everyone thinks he's a health liability.. I mean, he has missed atleast one game every season, but he's only missed more than that two times.. One was last year when he broke a bone.. It's not like he has a bad knee (or knees like Deuce :( ) or has some nagging back injury.. It's hard to expect a guy to play every game for 7 years or whatever, when his job is to block DEs and LBs in the trenches and catch passes over the middle..

Maybe Gonzo or Vito can shed more light on his injury history..

Yeah in '03 he played 9 games and last year he played only 9 games as well. He missed 1 game every other year I believe. Ever since his rookie season, whether he missed the game or not, he plays through injuries. The guy is hobbled on a sprained ankle, severe turf toe, probably concussions earlier on when he used to play real hard nosed. Like I said, despite these factors I still think he is in the upper echelon, but it also puts me at ease with this trade to New Orleans. I think its a win-win either way though. The Giants will avoid a situation that was quickly heating up, and Shockey gets reunited with Payton. Payton was the OC when Shock was a rookie and he posted 74 catches, so I'm sure they'll be able to be productive together.

I don't think the Saints will have any problems. The Giants were definitely going to have an issue if he stayed on this year, and with the success of our GM last year, I'm confident in years to come. So if the G-Men continue to draft solidly then the picks we traded for can't hurt. It will be well worth it for both sides.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yep..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think the injury question arose from him having to come off a major injury last year. Still wouldn't really rate it as that big of a deal, the night life thing would worry me more since it is New Orleans. However he was playing in NYC before and doing fine with it so I think that will be a non-issue as well. I think the whole double-fisting in a luxury box during the Superbowl had something to do with "love of nightlife" being talked about lol

[VonErichLives]

on the 32 yard line in like the 5th row. $80,000 total and they want my grandfather to start paying in a month so they can collect all the money and let it gather a ton of interest. makes me not even want to be a giants fan anymore.

shit... tell'him to take out a loan, seats that good he could probably flip for double (but do it this year while they're still "hot" from the SB win).

who financed the new stadium? private or public?

[RP]

How will the Pats O-line protect Brady without a steady dose of oxycodone in there blood stream?

[VonErichLives]

How will the Pats O-line protect Brady without a steady dose of oxycodone in there blood stream?

I just hope this doesn't mean he's gonna start punching DL in the nuts again... (that was Kazur during his rookie year right?)

[VonErichLives]

How will the Pats O-line protect Brady without a steady dose of oxycodone in there blood stream?

oh, and the same way the Colts will win games with Manning "recoving from injury" all season long.

Kazur is supposed to be moving to RG this year because he wasn't all that great at RT, but a lot of that depends on Neal and O'Callahan coming off injuries.

[RP]

snap!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pats also signed Anthony Clement recently so I dunno, he's started like 100+ games in the NFL at tackle so he might be taking the FBI Informant's spot.

Also I thought it was Mankins that punched the dude in the nuts, I could be wrong though. I might just be thinking that because he looks like such a sick fuck

[VonErichLives]

So, the commishner is now in the whole Farve thing. word is he asked the Packers if they had any interest in him coming back and they said no.

So, the commish "encouraged" them to find a trade, cause if Farve files for reinstatement he's going to grant it, in which case he's back on the Packers books/salary cap.

The early word seems to be Tampa Bay...

Gruden would love him and has been with him before.

They could probably work Chris Simms as part of the deal so it wouldn't cost as much in pics...

dunno, looks like he'll be with someone next season.

GB also filed a tampering charge against the Vikes and there is some report about Farve calling a member of the Minn coaching staff from a GB team cellphone...

[VonErichLives]

Pats also signed Anthony Clement recently so I dunno, he's started like 100+ games in the NFL at tackle so he might be taking the FBI Informant's spot.

Also I thought it was Mankins that punched the dude in the nuts, I could be wrong though. I might just be thinking that because he looks like such a sick fuck

I think you're right, I couldn't remember if it was Mankins or Kazur, I guess wrong...

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>While I'm glad the Giants got some extra draft picks...not sure how Kevin Boss is gonna be as the starting TE. He had a few good games, sure. But Shockey provides some big shoes to fill.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

:)

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/saintsreport/falcons/DSC_0080-1.jpg

[Gonzo]

While I'm glad the Giants got some extra draft picks...not sure how Kevin Boss is gonna be as the starting TE. He had a few good games, sure. But Shockey provides some big shoes to fill.

I think that it will work out good. I think that during Shockey's tenure in New York his personality/attitude started to conflict with other members of the team as well as the coaching staff. I think Kevin "Da" Boss played well stepping in for Shockey especially considering he was a rookie last year. He had a few catches in the Superbowl, including that long gain. We have one of the best position coaches in the NFL in Mike Pope (I think his first name is Mike) so I think Kevin Boss will pan out. I also think Michael Matthews fits nicely in the Giants system as the #2 TE, primarily as a blocker both at the line and sliding into the FB position. I think having that #2 TE with that ability is more important than most realize. He is reminiscent of Dan Campbell years ago.

I'm very confident in Jerry Reese's ability to find players that can contribute and be productive in the Giants system, early and often. What was the stat on our rookies last year? I believe it was 7 of the 9 we drafted that took reps throughout the year in significant roles, not just in the regular season but in the playoffs and Superbowl as well?

[Gonzo]

Maybe Gonzo or Vito can shed more light on his injury history..

"While nursing a badly sprained ankle, he refused to even make a token appearance on the field during a veteran minicamp in June and then got into a shouting match with general manager Jerry Reese."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3502417

Kind of what I mean by always playing through injuries. I think that Shockey could honestly be top 3 in terms of production every year, but due to small injuries is probably in the 5-8 range. They are referencing last month when talking about that incident, so its been about 7 months since he broke his leg. I think he is one of those guys that just plays on a bad ankle year in and year out.

[Evil Vito]

I think that it will work out good. I think that during Shockey's tenure in New York his personality/attitude started to conflict with other members of the team as well as the coaching staff. I think Kevin "Da" Boss played well stepping in for Shockey especially considering he was a rookie last year. He had a few catches in the Superbowl, including that long gain. We have one of the best position coaches in the NFL in Mike Pope (I think his first name is Mike) so I think Kevin Boss will pan out. I also think Michael Matthews fits nicely in the Giants system as the #2 TE, primarily as a blocker both at the line and sliding into the FB position. I think having that #2 TE with that ability is more important than most realize. He is reminiscent of Dan Campbell years ago.

I'm very confident in Jerry Reese's ability to find players that can contribute and be productive in the Giants system, early and often. What was the stat on our rookies last year? I believe it was 7 of the 9 we drafted that took reps throughout the year in significant roles, not just in the regular season but in the playoffs and Superbowl as well?

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah its nothing against trusting Reese, I'm just not sure how well Boss will do with a full year. We'll see though. But yeah Matthews is solid and there's also Darcy Johnson to fall back on (didn't get to play at all last year due to injury).</font>

[Gonzo]

Yeah its nothing against trusting Reese, I'm just not sure how well Boss will do with a full year. We'll see though. But yeah Matthews is solid and there's also Darcy Johnson to fall back on (didn't get to play at all last year due to injury).

Yeah I forgot about Johnson. I think we'll be set. There may be minor growing pains with Boss, but Mike Pope is one of the best in the game from a coaching standpoint.

I might not have liked this situation if EA was still the GM, but thankfully it appears we have a really good guy on our hands.

[VonErichLives]

so the Army guy the Lions drafted can't play, some new policy over-rides the 2005 policy which would let him play and serve as a recruiter, the army sent matt millen a letter that he has to serve full time till 2010 and that they had let him enter the draft in good faith.

think the Lions get a compensation pick next year?

[ClockShot]

Ah hell.

Broncos release Mike Bell. And Rod Smith is gonna announce retirement tomorrow.

Thanks for your service. :wavesad:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I really don't think the Giants will miss Shockey THAT much, he was almost like a wide receiver out there anyway, he isn't exactly a great blocker. So with the emergence of Steve Smith at the 3rd wideout spot they should be alright.

[Skippord]

Ah hell.

Broncos release Mike Bell. And Rod Smith is gonna announce retirement tomorrow.

Thanks for your service. :wavesad:
Rod :'(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bears-hester&prov=ap&type=lgns

“I’m not coming,” Hester told the Chicago Tribune in a phone interview. “I have to make a statement.

“I can’t go out and play this year making $445,000. Come on, man,” Hester said.

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lol :o Admittedly he accounts for more TDs than Grossman.....but can the man learn to properly play WR or something first before holding out?</font> :o

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why does he need to learn how to play wideout though? He is one of the greatest return man in the history of the NFL, if not the greatest. Easily the best I've ever seen

[Gonzo]

I really don't think the Giants will miss Shockey THAT much, he was almost like a wide receiver out there anyway, he isn't exactly a great blocker. So with the emergence of Steve Smith at the 3rd wideout spot they should be alright.

He used to be a terrible blocker coming out of college, he really was underrated as a blocker. Top 10 easily among starting TE's.

That aside, I hope Steve Smith steps up and can play a bigger role.

Also, I think Hester has every right to holdout. If he really is putting up more TD's than the starting QB as a KR then that guy has got to get paid. Hester has probably won them a pretty good number of games single handedly.

[Kris P Lettus]

GOING TO TRAINING CAMP IS LESS THAN 8 HOURS

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think I am gonna check Training Camp out on Monday, we'll see though

As for Shockey being underrated as a blocker, I dunno about all that lol

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I dunno, while Hester might very well be the best return man ever...KR/PR just seems like one of the most fickle positions in sports. Seen a ton of guys over the years get shit hot at it and then just totally tail off...I dunno. I think if he became a legit WR threat instead of just a longball guy it'd be less of a risk.

tbh I just hate it when athletes hold out and make it seem like $500,000K is some small sum of money, as its more than most people could dream of making in a single year. :o

In either event, I'm sure he'll get a huge contract because he is key to the team.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

I agree Vito.. In the past few years, it was Donte Hall, then Michael "Beerman" Lewis, etc etc etc..

[RP]

PRO CAREER: Continued his electrifying display of talent in his second season by breaking his own NFL record for kick returns for touchdowns (4 punt, 2 kickoff) en route to his second-consecutive Pro Bowl and Associated Press All-Pro selections... Ranks 4th in NFL history in combined career kick return scores with a franchise-record 11, just two behind Brian Mitchell for the most all-time... Is one of three Bears all-time to receive first-team AP All-Pro honors in their first two seasons (Gale Sayers, 1965-66 and Richard Barwegan, 1950-51)... Has posted 12 return touchdowns (7 punt, 4 kickoff and 1 missed FG) in his first two seasons in the NFL, the most ever by a player in his first two seasons and the most ever in consecutive years... Holds the NFL record for career punt return average (14.1) among players with at least 75 returns... Set single-season franchise record with 651 punt return yards, 15.5 punt return average and NFL-tying 4 punt return touchdowns in 2007... Also holds franchise single-game records with 152 punt return yards at ARZ (10/16/06) and 225 kickoff return yards at STL (12/11/06)… Is tied for 6th all-time in NFL history with 7 punt return touchdowns, just 3 behind Eric Metcalf for first place and is tied for 11th all-time in kickoff returns for touchdowns, just two away from the top spot... Averages a touchdown once every 13.8 kick returns, the best ratio in NFL history (11 TD, 152 returns)... Totaled 314 combined kick return yards (219 kickoff, 95 punt) at DET (9/30/07), the highest total in franchise history and 2nd-highest total in NFL annals... Led the Bears with a 15.0 upc average, catching 20 passes for 299 yards and 2 TDs... In 2007, became the 7th player in NFL history to have 600 punt return and 600 kickoff return yards in the same season, and has surpassed the 500-yard mark in both punt and kickoff returns the past two seasons, making him just the second player ever to accomplish that feat in back-to-back seasons... Became sixth player in NFL history to record 2 kickoff returns for touchdowns in the same game with returns of 94 and 96 yards at STL (12/11/06) and the fifth player in NFL history to have multiple games with two or more kick return touchdowns (also, 11/25 vs. DEN)… Ranks 2nd in franchise history in punt return yards (1,251) and 10th in kickoff return yards (1,462)... After posting a NFL-high 11 punt returns of 20 or more yards in 2006, the most in the league since 1997 (Karl Williams, TB, 12), added a NFL-high 10 in 2007… The 2007 Pro Bowl return man also set the then-NFL mark for most combined kick return TDs in a season with 5 (3 punt return, 2 kick return), before breaking his own record in 2007… Connected on a 81-yard TD from Brian Griese vs. MIN (10/14), the longest Bears’ passing play since 9/12/94 at PHI (Erik Kramer to Curtis Conway, 85 yards)... In 2006, became first Bears rookie selected to the Pro Bowl since Brian Urlacher (2001) and is also the first player to make the Pro Bowl in his first two seasons since Urlacher (2001-02)… Set a NFL record with 6 return touchdowns in a single-season during his rookie campaign in 2006... The first-team All-Pro selection in 2006 by the Associated Press, Sports Illustrated, USA Today Sports Weekly, The Sporting News and ESPN.com became the first player in NFL history to return the opening kickoff of a Super Bowl for a touchdown when he returned Super Bowl XLI's first play 92 yards for a score… Tied teammate Nathan Vasher's franchise record for longest play with a 108-yard missed field goal return TD at NYG (11/12/06), which is tied for the second longest play in NFL history heading into the 2008 season… Named to Pro Football Weekly/PFWA's All-NFL, All-NFC and All-Rookie teams as a punt returner and the All-NFC and All-Rookie teams as a kick returner after leading NFL in punt returns (47) and punt return yards (600), while finishing 2nd in NFL in punt return average (12.8) and 5th in kickoff return average (26.4 on 20 returns for 528 yards) in 2006… Returned punt 84 yards for a TD in NFL debut at GB (9/10/06) to become first Bears rookie in 51 years to return a punt for a score in his first game (Perry Jeter, vs. BALT, 9/30/56)… Career weekly and monthly awards: NFC Special Teams Player of the Week honoree (at NYG, 11/12/06; vs. MIN, 12/3/06; at STL, 12/11/06; vs. KC, 9/16/07; vs. MIN, 10/14/07; vs. DEN, 11/25/07; vs. NO, 12/30/07); NFC Special Teams Player of the Month (12/06 and 9/07) … Became third player in NFL history to return at least two punts for TDs of 80 or more yards as a rookie… Saw time as a reserve cornerback registering 11 tackles and 1 PBU as a rookie... Rookie recipient of the Brian Piccolo Award, voted by his teammates. ... Became the second-fastest played in NFL history to reach 1,000 punt return yards (24 games)... Became the first player in team history to record 1,000 punt and kickoff return yards in a career.




How you managed to compare this guy to Michael Lewis is honestly beyond me. Please do some research. Hall doesnt even compare. Hester has done all that in 2 seasons. I just hate when people dont research shit before they roll out with shit like " Michael 'Beerman' Lewis ".

[VonErichLives]

I think I am gonna check Training Camp out on Monday, we'll see though

As for Shockey being underrated as a blocker, I dunno about all that lol

Stima any idea what the pats are charging this year for training camp? or is just pay for parking?

[DaveBrawl]

Rod :'(

Gonna miss Rod, and I always held out hope for Bell as well. He seemed like a good 2nd back.

[Kris P Lettus]

How you managed to compare this guy to Michael Lewis is honestly beyond me. Please do some research. Hall doesnt even compare. Hester has done all that in 2 seasons. I just hate when people dont research shit before they roll out with shit like " Michael 'Beerman' Lewis ".

WTF are you talking about??

Of course Beerman or Hall didn't set the stats that Hester has, but no one in the history of the NFL ever has.. Lewis and Hall were both awesome for about two seasons a piece as return men, and were uber hyped during that time.. They both kinda faded away after that.. Which is exactly what Vito was talking about..

I dunno, while Hester might very well be the best return man ever...KR/PR just seems like one of the most fickle positions in sports. Seen a ton of guys over the years get shit hot at it and then just totally tail off...

Just gotta keep reminding myself that you are a complete asshole, RP.. Why eles would you argue what Hester's done, when no one eles is??

[Kris P Lettus]

Anyway, training camp was awesome.. Deuce was completely dressed out and looked in better shape than I've seen him in in over 4 years.. Reggie Bush dropped a pass in the RB's "flats" drill and some 16 year old black kid was like "OH!! I remember that play!!" lol Shockey was there and caught some nice catches.. he Also took a big hit from LB Mitchell and I yelled "Welcome to the South!!" with a roar from the audience.. WR Arrington made two HUGE grabs, one of which was a diving catch from Palko right at the sidelines for a gain of about 40 yards.. Charles Grant was a beast in the pass rushing drill.. The only thing that bothered me was they were running Vilma with the second string guys.. I guess he has to earn his starting spot?? Also, Sedrick Ellis and Tracy Porter haven't signed yet so neither of them were there..

I'll have pics up in a little while..

p.s. Gay made a big INT from Brunell during there scrimmage..

[RP]

WTF are you talking about??

Of course Beerman or Hall didn't set the stats that Hester has, but no one in the history of the NFL ever has.. Lewis and Hall were both awesome for about two seasons a piece as return men, and were uber hyped during that time.. They both kinda faded away after that.. Which is exactly what Vito was talking about..



Just gotta keep reminding myself that you are a complete asshole, RP.. Why eles would you argue what Hester's done, when no one eles is??

You moron. He's done this the first 2 years of his career. He's like in his early 20's. Hall and Beerdipshit did those stats over a career. How can you possibly compare? You're just being ignorant for ignorance's sake now. Seriously get a fucking clue. Your argument is wrong. Go rethink it and come back and try again.

[Kris P Lettus]

There was no argument, you waterhead.. Vito said that PR/KR was a fickle position cause there has been break out guys who then teeter off after a few seasons.. I gave two examples of that..

You are retarded..

[RP]

Thats a fucking comparison idiot boy

[OssMan]

How is Shockey not on the Giants

Hoping the Saints do terrible so we get a high draft pick

[Kris P Lettus]

No, it's mentioning them because they are the two KR that stand out in my mind from the past ten years..

Who would you mention in this discussion?? Cause, no one has done what Hester has done, so anyone you say shouldn't be "compared", according to your logic..

[Nervous Ferret]

Soooo since I will not be living in the New York market this fall I will probably not be seeing any Jets games on the basic DirecTV that is provided. So what do you guys (SammyG in Greece, Team Sheep, MMM etc.) do for NFL games? Is there like a site you guys watch on? Also I may be able to order NFL Sunday Ticket while there which would be jAWESOME considering that is what I usually do at home, but I dunno I just kinda feel like watching the JEts this year. Also I am sure they will have TVs in some recreation room or something that will play all the games but I hate watching football with other people

[OssMan]

You have to go to a restaurant that has NFL sunday ticket but there are a ton of restaurans that have NFL sunday ticket so do that and just go with a fellow jets fiend.

[Kris P Lettus]

Entrance

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08001.jpg

Tom Benson

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08029.jpg

RB's

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08050.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08047.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08044.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08045.jpg

Predator

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08049.jpg

Shockey

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08032.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08041.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08038.jpg

Colston

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08036.jpg

Brees

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08025.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08024.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08023.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08019.jpg

QB's

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08014.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08004.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08005.jpg

DB's

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08048.jpg

Defense

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08042.jpg

Reggie out wide..

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f396/krisplettus/SaintsTrainingCamp08035.jpg

I'll def have more up later..

[VonErichLives]

WR Arrington made two HUGE grabs

p.s. Gay made a big INT

ok, it's training camp, there are no "HUGE GRABS" and and "BIG INT" in training camp.


nice plays, sure... but that's about it.

Also, what's the turnout like? cause your pics seem really close to the action with no one in front of you, or do you have a giant zoom lense?

[Nervous Ferret]

UGH hate watching football with other people though

[Kris P Lettus]

It was a huge grab that was already written about on another website..

...

The other most compelling battle on this team is at receiver, where seventh-round draft pick Adrian Arrington continued to make things interesting on Thursday. Early in seven-on-seven drills, Arrington beat cornerback Greg Fassitt deep down the left sideline and laid out for a diving 45-yard catch from quarterback Tyler Palko. It was easily the play of the day.

Are you really trying to argue semantics here??

Jesus, some of you need to get lives..

Anyway, it was pretty full.. It's two practice fields running longways away from the bleachers.. So the fans are pretty much sitting at one endzone.. The bleachers run the length of the two endzones side by side and it's like 6 bleachers tall..

:dunno:

[Loose Cannon]

Kris, someone needs to say something to you.

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[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, I don't give a fuck where or when it happened, ok.. If one of my buddies made the same catch in the front yard, I'd still call it huge..

Again, you guys need to really find something to worry about..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Soooo since I will not be living in the New York market this fall I will probably not be seeing any Jets games on the basic DirecTV that is provided. So what do you guys (SammyG in Greece, Team Sheep, MMM etc.) do for NFL games? Is there like a site you guys watch on? Also I may be able to order NFL Sunday Ticket while there which would be jAWESOME considering that is what I usually do at home, but I dunno I just kinda feel like watching the JEts this year. Also I am sure they will have TVs in some recreation room or something that will play all the games but I hate watching football with other people

Sopcast :$

Did have a site bookmarked somewhere, lost it when my comp crashed. I'm sure I'll get it again when the season starts up.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Stima any idea what the pats are charging this year for training camp? or is just pay for parking?Pretty sure its 100% free, I know when I went 2 years ago I didn't have to pay for anything. I think you can pay for parking and get into the "premium" lot but the free lot is the one right behind it.

Also Hester is a lot different than Dante Hall, you really can't compare him to other guys just because they burned out after 2 years. Hall was kinda a fluke anyway, he got the benefit of a lot of non-calls in regards to blocking. Hester is the greatest return man in the history of the NFL, call the "position" whatever you want but the dude should be making more than 400,000 dollars this season compared to what other players make. Plus he is still learning how to play wideout, I think he will be able to be productive as a receiver pretty soon.

lol @ Kris P getting all pissed about people doggin him about practice though

[Loose Cannon]

welcome to my world Nerf. You said you're going to Clemson right? That's near me...kind of. No Jets, no Yankees :(

[VonErichLives]

lol @ Kris P getting all pissed about people doggin him about practice though

in fairness, if I were a A'ints fan I'd get excited about huge plays in practice...

I think I'll got post that on another site so I can say

was already written about on another website..


and stima, good to know it's still free, I think the Skins started charging like $5.00 to get in a few years ago, didn't know if the Pats did also.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Looks weird seeing Shockey in a Saints uniform and with a different number.</font>

[Gonzo]

Yeah, switched to his college number apparently.

[Nervous Ferret]

welcome to my world Nerf. You said you're going to Clemson right? That's near me...kind of. No Jets, no Yankees :(
Is there any way to at least get the Yankees radio? I don't really like John Sterling but that is better than nothing

Also I'll be able to see the Jets somehow, just would rather not do it in some crowded restaraunt