The Official WWE Smackdown 6 Thread

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>If SVR gets pushed back/cancelled, people will die</font>

[Disturbed316]

Yeah, just imagine it. I doubt it will, it will be ages before anything actually happens in the courts or whatever.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

still, we have been waiting for this game for months, and with only 2 weeks left it might be cancelled, it's just stupid

[Disturbed316]

Well to be honest, I doubt it will be. It's only Jakks being sued, but because THQ and Jakks are owned by the same people, both names need to go up on the document or something like that.

[SuperSlim]

it shant happen

[Savio]

Wow WWE must be pretty now if they need to sue THQ.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

here is a good breakdown of what it means from a message board I frequent


http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=19630




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* Bell gets hired on as licensing director
* WWE hires SSAI (owned/operated by Stanley Shenker) as an outside licensing agent on Bell's recommendation. Seems Shenker and Bell know each other personally.
* Jakks gets a license for WWE from Bell/Shenker
* After this deal is made, SSAI also becomes an outside licensing agent for Jakks. This deal is not disclosed to WWE.
* SSAI makes deals between WWE and Jakks while acting as both their agents!
* SSAI and Jakks receive outside legal counsel against the obvious conflict of interest.
* All parties ignore the legal advice and instead conceal the transactions via money laundering and such.

There's also some stuff about commissions and such, but most of it looks like it itemizes each known transaction.

So basically the outside licensing agent got caught double-dipping, and Jakks/THQ got caught bribing the licensing agent to get lucrative contracts.
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[The Answer]

No it's not you douche.

Neither of their themes is correct.

Ya what ever man I mean how hard is it.Piper's music has bag pips going doesn't do much else it may be slightly different but agin it's bag pipes anyway and id probably the theme he used on Piper's Pit.That is Snuka's theme the last time he came out on Raw with the Rock and Mae Young I believe. So don't call me a douche because your tone deaf

[Drakul]

Last time I saw Snuka on RAW im sure his theme went "Super super super Fly" in a deep voice then the music kicks in.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

it sounds like that theme only w/o the super super superfly part

[Drakul]

yeah kinda

[Loose Cannon]

LOL WTF just happened? Can't believe they are suing

[Jonster]

LOL WTF just happened? Can't believe they are suingWas also my thoughts.

Get out of my head :'(

[V]

if this game is cancelled i'm gonna go insane man, i JUST got my network adapter in the mail today, and i ordered it off ebay JUST for SvR.. holy fucking shit

fUCK

[t-man]

GOD DAMN VINCE MCMAHONN CAN GO TO QUEER HELL AND HAVE SEX WITH GUYS. HE SUCKS ASS RIGHT NOW. I REALLY HATE HIM RIGHT NOW. I WILL KILL MY DOG IF THIS GAME DOES'NT COME OUT. I WILL BE A BOUNTY HUNTER.........again...

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>OH MY FUCKING GOD NO

WWE Smackdown vs. Raw Platform: PlayStation 2



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NO BULLSHIT, STRAIGHT FROM THQ'S SITE, GO HERE: http://info.thq.com/search/index.asp AND DO A SEARCH FOR SMACKDOWN

THIS FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!</FONT> :mad: :rant: :mad: :rant: :mad: :rant: :'(

[Mike the Metal Ed]

OH-MY-FUCKING-GOD

SHIT!

All because of that fucking lawsuit.

FUCK!

[t-man]

I HATE EVERYBODY. SOMEONE KILL ME.WHERE THE FUCK DOES VINCE MCMAHON LIVE. I WANT TO KICK HIS NARROW ASS. I HATE EVERYONE EVEN MYSELF!!!!!!!! GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW I HATE EVERYONE.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

IGN has some stuff on this SHIT too

World Wrestling Entertainment announced today it has filed suit against a number of parties related to its licenses, including toy manufacturer Jakks Pacific and videogame publisher THQ -- long the home of hugely popular WWE-licensed games.


In essence, the suit alleges that former WWE Senior Vice President of Licensing and Merchandising James Bell and licensing agent Stanley Shenker & Associates, Inc. (SSAI), received money from Jakks in order to secure videogame rights to WWE properties for a joint venture of Jakks and THQ. The suit further alleges that Bell recommended WWE make SSAI its licensing agent after Bell received payment from SSAI.

The suit claims violations under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act (RICO); violations of the anti-bribery provisions of the Robinson-Patman Act; as well as claims under state law.

WWE is seeking damages as well as a declaration that the videogame license with the joint venture of Jakks and THQ, and a related amendment to the toy license with Jakks, are void due to commercial bribery. This could effectively mean an end to THQ's WWE-licensed titles.

In a statement, WWE CEO Linda McMahon said, "We very much regret having to take this action today, but regret even more the facts and circumstances which have compelled us to do so. WWE's intellectual property is a valuable asset of the Company, and we believe the actions taken today are necessary to preserve the integrity of our licensing process and essential to ensure that WWE receives appropriate and fair compensation for the grant of a license to use our intellectual property."

THQ's multi-million selling WWE-licensed games, including the much-anticipated Smackdown vs. Raw expected next month, already comprise one of the most successful videogame franchises today.

What this will mean for the future of WWE-licensed games -- and, of course, THQ's involvement -- is uncertain. Of course, we'll have more on the situation very soon. Stay tuned.

[t-man]

Well this thread wil have like 19000 pages on it when Smackdown! vs Raw comes out. Vince Mcmahon. I'll see you in hell!!!!!!!

[Drakul]

Well this thread wil have like 19000 pages on it when Smackdown! vs Raw comes out. Vince Mcmahon. I'll see you in hell!!!!!!!
IF it comes out.This could split THQ and WWE and we'll be stuck with crap WWE games by Midway or someone.

[t-man]

Oh life is just getting fucked up. I hope they come out with this. After they showed us like all the videos and feattures for it. I will just have to go to L.A. and steal the game from IGN. I highly doubt it will work. Worth a try. But people have already pre-ordered the game so Jakks should fight back on this.

Plus they already started the count down!!!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I DID'NT EVEN GET TO HEAR KANES ENTRANCE OR SEE LEGEND UNDERTAKER!!!! I cant belive this.2 weeks unti lthe game is out. And they cancel it!!!!!! DAMNIT!!!!

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legend of the Day #3

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558197/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041019061622582.jpg

Height: 6'3"
Hometown: Chicago, IL
Weight: 277lbs

Hawk was born in Chicago, Illinois and moved to Minneapolis when he was fourteen years old. Prior to his wrestling career, he worked as a bouncer and collector of gambling debts.

Before Animal was a wrestler, he was a high school All-American in both baseball and football. Although he was offered several scholarships in baseball, Animal set his sights on the gridiron. Many thought he would be drafted by the NFL. Unfortunately, he blew out his knee in his second-to-last collegiate game.

Hawk, together with his long-time tag team partner, Animal, has been a tag team champion since day one. In their very first match, Hawk and Animal won tag team gold on June 6th, 1983. For more than fifteen years, Hawk and Animal have displayed their dominance by holding every tag team title possible. They've wrestled all around the world, and have enjoyed tremendous success in both the United States and Japan.

The Road Warriors are widely considered the Greatest Tag Team of All Time.

(credit: Canadian Prayer)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Jumping Armbreaker, Belly to Belly 06, Double-Arm Suplex 02, Suplex 05
Flying Clothesline 02 (Finisher) Neckbrecker 07 (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558197/smackraw_101904_hawk_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_96 8712.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 1 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558197/smackraw_101904_hawk_02_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_96 8722.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558197/smackraw_101904_hawk_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_96 8718.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 3 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558197/smackraw_101904_hawk_04_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_96 8709.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

[t-man]

Even thought the game is'nt coming out I guess we can still see what would've happened.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

no one said the game WILL not come out, I sure it will since they have already spent so much money mass producting thousands of copies

[Drakul]

Why are we still being teased with stuff.
"You're not getting to play the game for another year but look at this..."

[t-man]

Well it is most likely the game WILL NOT come out. It might come out. Who knows..

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legend of the Day #4

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558196/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041019063538703.jpg

Height: 6'1"
Hometown: Chicago, IL
Weight: 285lbs

Hawk was born in Chicago, Illinois and moved to Minneapolis when he was fourteen years old. Prior to his wrestling career, he worked as a bouncer and collector of gambling debts.

Before Animal was a wrestler, he was a high school All-American in both baseball and football. Although he was offered several scholarships in baseball, Animal set his sights on the gridiron. Many thought he would be drafted by the NFL. Unfortunately, he blew out his knee in his second-to-last collegiate game.

Hawk, together with his long-time tag team partner, Animal, has been a tag team champion since day one. In their very first match, Hawk and Animal won tag team gold on June 6th, 1983. For more than fifteen years, Hawk and Animal have displayed their dominance by holding every tag team title possible. They've wrestled all around the world, and have enjoyed tremendous success in both the United States and Japan.

The Road Warriors are widely considered the Greatest Tag Team of All Time.

(credit: Canadian Prayer)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Belly to Belly 01, Scoop Slam 04, Body Knee Strike, Suplex 07
Oklahoma Slam 01 (Finisher) Powerslam Pin 01 (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558196/smackraw_101904_animal_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_ 968669.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 1 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558196/smackraw_101904_animal_02_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_ 968678.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558196/smackraw_101904_animal_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_ 968674.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 3 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558196/smackraw_101904_animal_04_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_ 968667.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

[t-man]

So I'm guessing Mankind & Rock, Kane and Taker, Brett Hart and Andre The Giant wil be through the rest of this week?

[Drakul]

yes,probably.

[t-man]

I swear. If they dont have Kane tommorow I'll kill somebody.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

you ppl are forgeting the other Legend(not really a legend, I guess they call him a legend because of what he has done with Hogan) of Brutus "The Barbar" Beefcake so tomorrow could be Kane/Taker and Beefcake

[t-man]

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: um then again.. :nono: :nono:

[Head]

It sucks that the game'll likely either be delayed a lot of not come out, but I really can't blame the WWE for taking action against THQ if they were supposidly cheated out of millions of dollars.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

THQ Comments on WWE Lawsuit
CALABASAS HILLS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 19, 2004--THQ(R) Inc. (NASDAQ:THQI) offered comments today concerning the lawsuit filed by World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (NYSE:WWE) (the "WWE") earlier today against JAKKS Pacific, Inc. (NASDAQ:JAKK), THQ and others.

THQ is committed to preserving its rights under the videogame license with the WWE. THQ believes the WWE is pleased with the manner in which THQ has managed their brand in the video game category. As THQ is not directly accused of any wrongdoing in the complaint -- rather the complaint alleges wrongdoing on the part of JAKKS Pacific and others of which THQ was and is unaware -- THQ is not in a position to comment on these allegations. In any event, either there is no basis for terminating the video game license, or THQ expects to be made whole by those whose conduct is eventually found to be unlawful. THQ intends to vigorously protect and pursue its rights, if necessary.

The lawsuit has no effect on games currently scheduled for release, including WWE SmackDown!(TM) vs. Raw(TM), which is scheduled to ship on November 2.

About THQ

THQ(R) Inc. is a leading, worldwide developer and publisher of interactive entertainment software for a variety of hardware platforms including PC CD-ROM, wireless devices, and those manufactured by Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc., Nintendo and Microsoft. The THQ web site is located at www.thq.com. THQ and the THQ logo are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of THQ Inc.

This press release may contain "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements include, but are not limited to, statements regarding (i) the relationship among THQ, Jakks Pacific, Inc. and World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc., (ii) THQ's strategy with respect to the WWE video game license and (iii) the lawsuit filed by the WWE against Jakks and THQ. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, estimates and projections about the business of THQ Inc. and its subsidiaries (collectively referred to as "THQ") and are based upon management's beliefs and certain assumptions made by management. Such forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward looking statements, including, but not limited to economic, competitive and technological factors affecting the operations, markets, products, and pricing of THQ. Unless otherwise required by law, THQ disclaims any obligation to update its view on any such risks or uncertainties or to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to these forward-looking statements. Readers should carefully review the risk factors and the information that could materially affect THQ's financial results, described in other documents that THQ files from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission.


CONTACT: THQ/Media Relations
Liz Pieri, 818-871-8061
lpieri@thq.com
or
THQ/Investor Relations
Julie MacMedan, 818-871-5090
jmacmedan@thq.com

SOURCE: THQ Inc.

[V]

The lawsuit has no effect on games currently scheduled for release, including WWE SmackDown!(TM) vs. Raw(TM), which is scheduled to ship on November 2.


that line nearly had me in tears

holllly shit... i duno what i would have done if this game was delayed even one day

[DaveWadding]

Why don't you all kill yourselves? Jesus Holy Christ, so much whining...over a FUCKING VIDEO GAME!

[V]

lol i was waiting for someone to post that, surprised it took this long

anyway, some of us value video games more than you do, is that a big deal? i'd think not, and i'd also think it's pretty obvious everything we said were just exxagurations, life would go on and we'd all forget about it in a few days.

[Pennywise The Clown]

lol i was waiting for someone to post that, surprised it took this long

anyway, some of us value video games more than you do, is that a big deal? i'd think not, and i'd also think it's pretty obvious everything we said were just exxagurations, life would go on and we'd all forget about it in a few days.

Yeah Dave, listen to him.

I mean afterall what else do 10 year olds have to do? :yes:

[Hired Hitman]

Why don't you all kill yourselves? Jesus Holy Christ, so much whining...over a FUCKING VIDEO GAME!
Yeah, Okay Mr. Evanescence.

[BlackDawn2024]

I spit in the face of people who don't include Carlito Caribbean Cool in SmackDown vs. Raw. Carlito not being in SD vs. Raw? That's not cool.

I know this was an odd thing to post right after everyone was ready to kill someone at the mention of SD vs. Raw almost being delayed, but damnit...

I love Carlito Caribbean Cool!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, me and HardKore UKwere hoping you all would've bought it much longer.

Damn you Dark-Slicer!</font> :(

[Hired Hitman]

:D

[t-man]

I was whining over that shit. I'm a wimp. :nono: So is it coming out?

[Sephiroth]

Yeah, it's coming out...release date hasn't changed.

[V]

Yeah Dave, listen to him.

I mean afterall what else does 10 year olds have to do? :yes:

other than using better grammar than you, not much

[Molly fan 25]

lol i was waiting for someone to post that, surprised it took this long

anyway, some of us value video games more than you do, is that a big deal? i'd think not, and i'd also think it's pretty obvious everything we said were just exxagurations, life would go on and we'd all forget about it in a few days.
I value it highly too, though I can't really afford it and If I buy it won't have time to play it, but I still want it.

[Drakul]

Did anyone notice,no one announced Animal as he entered the ring in his vid?

[SuperSlim]

I just noticed it... and at least the game is comin out on time

[Drakul]

Legends don't have there videos.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, me and HardKore UKwere hoping you all would've bought it much longer.

Damn you Dark-Slicer!</font> :(

:(

[Disturbed316]

Ok, just in the middle of downloading IGN's Taboo Tuesday, its 452mb and lasts for over an hour, so be patient on the notes MMMKay.

[Disturbed316]

Notes on Hawk:

- UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH WHAT A RUSH! Hawk comes down to the ring wearing his trademark Spiked Shoulder pads. He walks down the ramp and gets in the ring. He climbs the top rope and taunts.

- Match starts out against Rhyno, no pre-match battles. Hawk hits first with a flying shoulder tackle. Rhyno then gets lifted up by Hawk for a gorilla press slam. After holding him up there for abit and doing a couple of reps with Rhyno, Hawk drops him face first. Hawk picks up Rhyno and delivers a nasty shoulder breaker, then a underhook backbreaker and a spinebuster.

- Hawk stomps away on Rhyno before picking him up and leveling him with a belly-to-belly suplex. Hawk hits a butterfly suplex and a stalling verticle suplex. Rhyno then gets taken down again with a single arm ddt.

- Hawk hits a big boot on Rhyno then whips him into the corner. Hawk then gives Rhyno the ol' snake eyes. Hawk then hits his neckbreaker finisher and pins Rhyno after 3:18.

Even though the theme is a rip off, I'm glad they still got the what a rush part in :cool:

[Disturbed316]

Notes on Animal:

- UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH WHAT A RUSH! Animal comes down to the ring wearing his trademark Spiked Shoulder pads. He walks down the ramp and gets in the ring. He climbs the top rope and taunts.

- Match starts out 6 seconds in against Tajiri. Animal misses a clothesline and Tajiri just connects with a healkick. Tajiri kicks Animal in the ass and stomps on him abit. Animal fights back with a chop and drops Tajiri with a big boot. Tajiri then gets gorilla pressed and thrown face first. Animal then gives Tajiri a shoulder breaker and a choketoss. Animal then lands three backbreakers on Tajiri.

- Animal scoops up Tajiri and slams him down hard. Animal knee's Tajiri in the gut and then suplex's him. Animal then puts Tajiri down with a Belly-to-belly suplex.

- Animal stomps on Tajiri and drops the elbow on him. Animal gives Tajiri an Atomic Drop, then whips him into the corner. He gives Tajiri the ol' snake eyes and then gives him his powerslam finisher. Animal wins after 1:57.

[Disturbed316]

Ok, IGN's Taboo Tuesday has finally downloaded, so expect the notes on it later on. I wanna watch it straight through first, without always having to pause it to write notes.

[Disturbed316]

Just realised I'm busy later, so here are the notes from Taboo Tuesday:

The video opens up with the Official trailer from the game. Once that is over the Summerslam set appears so the first match looks to be the Elmination Chamber match. Doing the commentry is Jeremy Dunham and Ivan Sulic. John Robertson is away on business, so thats why Ivan is filling in for him.

So first match up the Elimination Chamber:

- Christian comes out first. He makes his way down to the ring. They explain how the Elimination Chamber match came about, saying it was 6 from the other 7 guys who didn't win the other polls. The guy who got left out is A-Train. Matt Hardy is second out. According to Matt facts, Matt like thin crust pizza and has four different phone numbers. Rhyno is the third guy to make an enterance. Tajiri is next out, they talk about how come the former ECW guys wear the singlets. Plaumbo is out next and they joke about how long six enterances can go on for. Garrison Cade is the last guy out. They joke about how uninteresting he is.

- The match starts out with Palumbo going against Tajiri. The guys explain the rules of the Elimination Chamber. Tajiri is getting the upper hand over Palumbo, landing with kicks and punches. They talk about the improvements of the chamber compared to HCTP. Garrison Cade is released from his chamber and is taken the piss out of again. Palumbo is dominating Cade, and hits a cool looking samone drop. They say that the Elimination Chamber matches have happen twice, both at SummerSlam, which is completly wrong, as the first was at Survivor Series. Rhyno is the next guy out of his chamber.

- Palumbo whips Tajiri into the chamber and the glass breaks. Christian is next out. They talk about how the AI is still abit dodgy, saying why are they just fighting on the steel floor and not in the ring. Matt Hardy is the last guy out of his chamber. They talk about Rumble Roses, and how it uses last years Smackdown engine. Meanwhile, Cade pins Palumbo on the outside and is eliminated. I had hoped they would fix that, but I guess not. All five wrestlers are in the ring now. Tajiri hits Cade with the Buzzsaw kick and pins him for the three.

- They talk about how wrestling has evolved from straight out wrestling to the more hardcore wrestling. Tajiri gets thrown into another chamber and the glass breaks again. Rhyno then pins Tajiri. They talk about the Diva's and how not many people care about them in the game. Hardy hits the Twist of Fate on Rhyno, but Christian goes and attempts to pin Hardy. Christian whips Rhyno into a chamber. Christian then hits a hurricanrana on Hardy and pins him.

- Christian goes for a Gore on Rhyno, but misses. They talk about the lawsuit between THQ and the WWE. Christian locks in a submission on Rhyno, but he escapes. Christian then hits a lowblow on Rhyno and gets the 3 count for the win.

Next match is the Tag Team TLC match.

[Disturbed316]

Tag Team TLC match: Kane & Batista vs Edge & Chris Benoit

- They say how this match came about, it was the runners up from the world title match and the intercontinental match. Batista is the first guy out, they think he will go a long way in the business. Kane is out next. They say why did Kane take his mask off and talk how Kane is a big Rainbow Six fan. Benoit is next out, along with Edge. Edge slides in the ring and Benoit climbs in normally.

- Batista and Edge start out wrestling whilst Benoit gets a sledgehammer. So far Batista and Kane are killing Benoit and Edge, but the tide turns when Edge and Benoit grab weapons. They say how they would like to see this match in real life. Aparantly Kane is only 29. They talk about the Snitsky/Kane storyline. Kane and Batista are beating the crap out of Edge with chairs. They then talk about the Bossman/Big Show fued, in which Bossman taunted Show about his dead dad.

- Benoit whips Kane onto the announcers table but Kane gets up and powerslams Benoit through the table. Whilst that is going on, in the ring Batista has just given Edge his Sitdown Powerbomb, but Edge reverses it. Kane kills Edge with a nasty chair shot, which shows a new animation. They talk about the dirty meter, and what it can do. Kane activates his dirty meter and uses it to chokes out Edge. Kane then hits his Powerbomb pin move on Benoit before Edge breaks it up.

- They talk about the clean meter. Kane whacks Benoit with the chair and then puts him in the Crossface. Batista hits Edge with the steps and busts him open and then does it to Benoit. Batista activates his dirty meter but doesn't do it. Edge DDT's Kane onto the chair and gets a 2 count. Benoit locks Batista in the Sharpshooter, but escapes. Edge hits the Edgeucation on Batista and gets the 3 count.

Next match is Shelton Benjamin vs Chris Jericho.

[Disturbed316]

Shelton Benjamin vs Chris Jericho

- Shelton Benjamin comes out first, then Jericho comes out. They talk about how Jeremy beat Benjamin at HCTP. The match starts out with a test of strength battle which Benjamin wins. They talk about the other battles. They say that everytime you wrestle that a battle will happen if you have them on, unlike the previous builds when they were slightly more random.

- Jericho gets a 2 count after a northern lights suplex. Jericho is pretty much dominating the match. They talk about how Benjamin taught Brock Lesnar how to wrestle and how they trainned together. Jericho hits the running Enziguri on Benjamin but gets a 2 count. Jericho has Benjamin in a headlock, but Benjamin gets to the rope but holds on to the hold till the count of 4. They talk at how the crowd looks this year.

- Benjamin hits a t-bone suplex on Jericho and then drops him with a reverse DDT. Jericho gets whipped into the corner and Benjamin hits a stinger splash. Jericho fights back but Benjamin regains control. They talk some more about the AI using submission moves. Benjamin hits Jericho with a powerslam and pins him for the 3 count.

Next match is Orton vs Flair.

[Tornado]

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, me and HardKore UKwere hoping you all would've bought it much longer.

Damn you Dark-Slicer!</font> :(


You had me worried for about 5 minutes.

[Disturbed316]

Ironman Match: Randy Orton vs Ric Flair

As this match goes on for 15 minutes, I will only note the main parts and pinfalls/submissions.

- Ric Flair comes out first, and they say how he looks like Skeletor. Orton is out next. Orton now has his proper music. The enterance is exactly the same, but with new music. Jeremy bangs his elbow on the table and they joke about it for abit, pretty "LOL" commentry there.

- Orton gets the first fall after an RKO. They talk about the production quality of games around today. Orton hits another RKO, but doesn't go for a pin. They say that the WWE didn't want the Diva's to bleed.

- Orton gets a second pinfall by a powerslam right on 0:00. Orton wins the match 2-0.

Next up is HBK vs Triple H

[Disturbed316]

Shawn Michaels vs Triple H

- HBK comes out first. They explain how this match come about. Triple H comes out next. They say how older wrestlers should walk away with dignity instead of going past their prime and ruining their legecy. They say that Triple H has the best intro.

- Match opens with a staredown. HBK takes the early advantage. They talk about how on earth people got to know how Triple H and Stephanie McMahon got married. They say how Ric Flair would let other guys win the title cleanly, where as Hulk Hogan wouldn't.

- HBK is in control of the match and they talk about how Triple H is always champion. They say how this match is quite life like to the real HBK/Triple H matches. Triple H is fighting back kicking HBK about. HBK goes for a Sweet Chin Music, but gets reversed and Triple H hits the Pedigree. A nice sequence of moves. They say how it is likely to have one more Smackdown game on the PS2, because they wouldn't skip a year to wait for the PS3.

- Triple H nails HBK with another Pedigree and pins him for the 3 count.

Next up is Bret Hart vs Andre the Giant :love:

[Pennywise The Clown]

other than using better grammar than you, not much

It's called a typo, get over it.

Now go slice wrists because a video game might not come out.

[Disturbed316]

Bret Hart vs Andre the Giant

- Andre comes out first, to no music. He comes out on stage and raises his arm, and continues to the ring. Andre looks fucking amazing. Andre steps over the top rope and taunts the crowd.

- OH MY FUCKING GOD! BRET HART HAS HIS MUSIC! :love: :love: :love: :love: Wow, I dont think I'd ever mark out for a video game before, but I now have :D None of the legends have Titan Trons, but who cares really. Bret comes out and walks down to the ring. He looks soooooo good. Bret gets in the ring and taunts the crowd. HOLY CRAP BRET GOES OUT OF THE RING AND GIVES HIS GLASSES AWAY :love: Wow, I need to calm down abit.

- The match starts off with a staredown. Bret gets the first blow in. They say Andre is the only Superheavyweight wrestler in the game, and ONLY the Big Show can pick Andre up, and possibly Kane.

- Bret is working over the arms and legs of Andre, but Andre gets up and clobbers Hart. Andre gets whipped into the corner and Bret starts a chop battle. They talk about different Andre stories. They talk about one time Andre was out drinking, and some guys started heckling him about his size, and he chased them out into their volkswager, which he then turned over.

- Hart gives Andre a tornado type DDT from Andre's shoulders, and then hits a normal DDT. Andre then gives Bret a Bubba Bomb, which turns Bret's body yellow. He then walks over the hitmans stomach.

- Andre hits his finisher, a big splash, on Bret but only for a 2 count. Hart comes back with a moonsault off the top rope. They talk about how improved the weight detection system is. Bret hits another moonsault but Andre kicks out after 1. Hart then continues to work the knee of Andre before Andre throws him out the ring.

- Bret goes for a DDT but Andre reverses it with a leg trip. Bret whips Andre into the steps. Jeremy says how he sat next to one of Stephanies friends and was behind The Rocks family at Wrestlemania 19. Bret does some cruiserweight moves on Andre before locking him in the Sharpshooter, but Andre holds on and doesn't tap. Hart is in control of the match at this time, but then Andre backbody drops him and drops a huge elbow (his second finisher), but Bret is too close to the ropes.

- Bret goes for a gutwrench, but because of the weight detection, he cant. Bret whips Andre into the corner and starts another Chop Battle. Hart gets a good first chop, a bad second one, and then Andre kills Hart with a chop when its his turn. He then busts open Hart with a boot to the face. Andre then gives Bret a huge knee to the face and pins him for the 3.

The video ends with highlights of how the winners won their matches, and thank us for viewing. The say that next friday they will have the first online review of the game.

[Disturbed316]

Well that was along time of watching a video game. Some great stuff there, the Bret Hart vs Andre the Giant match has to be seen to be believed, it seems odd that they are in the game, but great that they are.

Didn't really see that many new things in this video, apart from the legend's enterances. I am now even more pumped up for this game then I was before.

[The Answer]

Well Bret has his music that's good .The sun glasses thing is a good add in

[PorkSoda]

ok, I've been skimming the last two pages and I seen the game is cancelled, now I see its not or something. I'm confused.

Answer this question as either Yes or No.

Is Smackdown vs Raw coming out November 2nd 2004?

[Jonster]

I'd say yes.

[Disturbed316]

No, its coming out on the 19th.

In the UK

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>For anyone wanting to get some early planning in on their CAW stats, here is what I figure the OVR rating system in SVR to be:

1. Add all 6 stats

2. Divide by 6

3. Move one decimal place to the right if need be and round

4. Add 6

That should give you your OVR</font>

[Disturbed316]

<font color=goldenrod>For anyone wanting to get some early planning in on their CAW stats, here is what I figure the OVR rating system in SVR to be:

1. Add all 6 stats

2. Divide by 6

3. Move one decimal place to the right if need be and round

4. Add 6

That should give you your OVR</font>

How did you come up with that?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

:wtf: @ Bret doing moonsaults. I see I'm gonna have to tweak his move set already.

[Evil Vito]

How did you come up with that?

<font color=goldenrod>I dunno, figured it'd be logical, and I tested it on, like, 10 guys and they've all worked.</font>

[V]

It's called a typo, get over it.

Now go slice wrists because a video game might not come out.

Nah, I'll change my ways and be cool like you, I'm gonna go start spending all my time ridiculing people for their interests.


And pork soda, yeah it's coming out on the second, can't wait :cool:

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legend of the Day #5

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Height: 6'3"
Hometown: Miami, FL
Weight: 245lbs

Ed Leslie's wrestling career, once looking to always be going up, turned downward rapidly after one fateful day. Although some reports have Leslie beginning his wrestling career in 1984, there was a "Dizzy Ed Hogan" in the NWA in 1983 who twice won the NWA Southeastern Tag-Team Titles with Ken Lucas. In 1984, Leslie was wrestling as Brutus Beefcake in the WWF. In August 1985, he teamed with Greg "The Hammer" Valentine to win the WWF Tag Team Titles from Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo. The Dream Team held the belts for a little more than 7 months before being beaten by the British Bulldogs. This was the last title reign of Leslie's career, as the Dream Team soon went their separate ways.

Soon after, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake became a fan favorite for his hair-shaving of his opponents after they were knocked out from his sleeper. He became a great friend of Hulk Hogan, and the two helped build the reputation of the WWF up to new heights. Then, in August 1990, tragedy struck. Leslie was in a freak parasailing accident, in which a parasailer accidentally ran into him while in mid-flight, kneeing Leslie in the face. The injury was very severe, as it basically caved his face in. Over 100 steel plates were put into Leslie's head, to help restore his facial structure. The major consensus was that Leslie would never wrestle again.

In late 1993, Brutus Beefcake reappeared on the scene of the WWF, wrestling with a special "mask" to secure his face. He even teamed with a formerly retired Hogan to wrestle against Ted DiBiase and I.R.S. (Michael Rotunda) at Wrestlemania IX. But Beefcake's wrestling career was slowly sinking away. He began a talk show through WWF called "The Barber Shop", which was somewhat popular. But when, in 1993, Hogan went to WCW, Leslie followed, after a brief tour in New Japan Professional Wrestling.

Leslie attempted many gimmicks through WCW, but very few were successful. He turned on Hogan and became "The Butcher" for a while, joining the Three Faces Of Fear. The gimmick did not appear to work well, however, and soon Leslie became The Zodiac, a member of the Dungeon of Doom. After a few less-than-inspiring matches, Leslie left WCW for a brief hiatus, before returning in 1996 as The Booty Man, a poorly conceived character who did not last long. After attempting to join the nWo with his old friend Hollywood Hogan (and being severely beaten for his efforts) the Booty Man disappeared from the scene.

In February 1998, the Disciple appeared by the side of Hollywood Hogan. He had a brief feud with Diamond Dallas Page, but was mainly the follower of Hogan, rescuing him time and again with his Apocalypse (a version of the Chartbuster). In September '98, however, the Disciple was "abducted" by the Warrior, appearing occasionally facedown in the ring, then disappearing before Hogan could reach him. During a Monday Nitro, the Disciple appeared next to the Warrior, wearing an OWN jacket. He then became the second member of the One Warrior Nation. When Hogan "retired" in December '98, Ed Leslie disappeared from wrestling, and has not reappeared since.

(credit: Accelerator's Wrestling Rollercoaster)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Eye Rake 02, Suplex 06, Back Chop 09, Russian Legsweep 01
Sleeper Hold 04 (Finisher) Super Atomic Drop (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558495/smackraw_beefcake_102004_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvi d_969840.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
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[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legend of the Day #6

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Height: 6'2"
Hometown: Parts Unknown
Weight: 287lbs

As a teenager in suburban East Setauket, New York, Mick Foley hitchhiked to New York City's Madison Square Garden to experience the WWE in person. Years later, WWE archivists would discover video of a young Foley cheering at ringside while his hero, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, leaped off a steel cage onto "Magnificent" Don Muraco. With his buddies on Long Island, the self-effacing Foley dubbed himself Dude Love, a jive-talking flower child with a knack for pleasing the ladies, and starred in several homemade wrestling movies. In one, he dives off a friend's house onto a bed of mattresses. Eventually, a local wrestling promoter saw a copy and allowed Foley to gain a foothold in the business.

While attending the State University of New York-Cortland, Foley would drive 400 miles each weekend to be trained by Dominic DeNucci, a former WWE Tag Team Champion, at his school outside Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Foley would sleep in his car and survive on peanut butter sandwiches. DeNucci admired the youngster's determination and ability to withstand pain, but the Italian legend had one requirement for his student: he could only train if he completed his education.

Occasionally, Foley would show up at WWE television tapings and lose to whichever Superstar the organization was promoting at the moment. As Cactus Jack—an unruly character said to be from Truth or Consequences, New Mexico—he began making a name for himself at small shows in high school gymnasiums, as well as at arenas as far away as Japan and Africa. It was in the Land of the Rising Sun that Foley became a cult figure by battling in a ring surrounded by flames and suffering second-degree burns on his shoulder in a 1995 King of the Death Match. By then, word had spread throughout the wrestling community that Foley was relatively indifferent to pain. Over the years, he received more than 300 stitches, six concussions and one broken jaw. In 1994, part of his ear was ripped off when he got his head caught between the top and middle ropes in a match in Germany.

In 1996, he entered WWE as Mankind, a tortured figure in a leather mask who rocked back and forth in the sewer and was said to have smashed his piano-playing fingers with a hammer to thwart his mother's attempts to turn him into a perfect gentleman. Mankind's finisher was the Mandible Claw—a maneuver that required him to jam his mangled fingers down an opponent's throat until he submitted. His emergence coincided with WWE's new, edgier "Attitude." Given a wide creative berth, Foley was eventually portrayed as a man with three distinct personalities: Mankind, Cactus Jack and Dude Love.

His most notable clash occurred at the 1998 King of the Ring, where he met the Undertaker in a Hell in a Cell Match—with the ring surrounded on all sides by a steel cage. In the course of the action, Mankind was thrown through a table from the top of the enclosure, then climbed back up and slammed through the roof of the cage. Before the brawl ended, Foley had dislocated his jaw (a trainer snapped it into place), broken several ribs and blacked out twice.

A few months later, WWE head Vince McMahon created the organization's Hardcore Title specifically for Foley to defend. "Mr. Socko," a dirty sweat sock, also made its debut at the time, and Foley's character morphed into a goofy fan favorite, and one of the most popular superstars in WWE. In fact, a segment on a September 1999 RAW IS WAR featuring Mick and another ultra-popular superstar, The Rock, generated the highest rating in the history of sports entertainment. Unfortunately, all the torture he weathered in the ring eventually caught up with him, and Foley retired in 2000, becoming WWE Commissioner not long afterwards. Mr. McMahon would "fire" him as commissioner that December so that, in real life, Foley could spend more time with his wife, who was about to give birth to their third child.

(credit: Mick Foley.com)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Sidewalk Slam 01, DDT 10, Headlock & Punch, Suplex 06
DDT 30 (Finisher) Mandible Claw (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558496/smackraw_mankind_102004_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid _969853.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
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Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558496/smackraw_mankind_102004_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid _969860.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
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[Drakul]

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558496/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041020045002655.jpg
Mick :love:
I hope its his actual music..or at least a good rip off.

Oh,it is his real music but theres a 4 second close up of the WWE logo where his video should be.maybe you unlock the legends videos.:-\
I think thats beefcakes actual theme.

[Disturbed316]

Mick :love:
I hope its his actual music..or at least a good rip off.

Oh,it is his real music but theres a 4 second close up of the WWE logo where his video should be.maybe you unlock the legends videos.:-\
I think thats beefcakes actual theme.

No legend has their titan trons, and you cant unlock them either.

[Drakul]

Then thats kinda dumb.A close up of the WWE logo for a few seconds.Why didnt they just pan the crowd instead?

[Disturbed316]

Dunno, cant see why they couldn't get Mankind's tron, seeing as he's one of the more recent Legends.

[Drakul]

Legend of the Day #5

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Height: 6'3"
Hometown: Miami, FL
Weight: 245lbs
Why does Lillian announce him from San Fransisco if hes from Miami? :?:

[Drakul]

Dunno, cant see why they couldn't get Mankind's tron, seeing as he's one of the more recent Legends.
..and still on the RAW roster,last time I checked WWE.com

[Disturbed316]

Notes on Mankind:

- Mankind's real music hits and we see a lovely WWE logo for a couple of seconds before it switches back and we see Mankind walking out on stage. He raises his arm, and continues to walk down to the ring. Foley rolls into the ring and taunts some more before climbing the ropes to taunt from up there.

- Match starts out against The Undertaker in a Hell in a Cell match. Foley gets the first blow in with a kick and follows up with a gutbuster. Must say, the cell is abit anoying, as you have to look through it to see the wrestlers and its abit obstructive. Foley headbuts Taker and gives him a pulling piledriver. He then gives Taker a series of headbuts before doing the Cactus Jack "BANG BANG" taunt.

- Foley drops an elbow on Taker, and for some reason I notice Mankind's tie. It has a nice animation to it and swings about when he moves, like it would in real life. Foley gives Taker a DDT, which busts him open. He then gives him a series of punches to his head and when Taker gets up, Mankind gives him a suplex and a sidewalk slam.

- Video opens with Taker taunting on the floor and Mankind on top of the cell. Taker climbs up and reverses a dropkick from Foley. Out of nowhere, Mankind gives Taker the Mandible claw. Taker no sells it and sits straight back up when Mankind lets go of the hold. Mankind then gives Taker a backbody drop, which dents on of the cells panels. He then gives him the Double Arm DDT and goes through the cell. Foley then pins Taker after 4:00.

Some nice stuff here. I noticed that the cell matches take place with the new side camera angle, where as in earlier builds of the game it was the same as in HCTP.

[Disturbed316]

Notes on Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake:

- Comes out to some funky music, I never really saw Beefcake wrestle as a singles competitor, so I dont know whether its his real music or not. He comes out on stage with his Barber Sheers and does a chopping action with them all the way down to the ring. He then gets into the ring via the steps and climbs up the top rope to taunt everyone. His music would be good for an Owen Hart CAW by the way.

- Match starts out with a shove battle betwen Beefcake and Dupree. Beefcake's first shove needs "more power" according to the meter. Dupree then gives a "terrible" shove and the match properly begins. Dupree runs at Beefcake and gets him in a backslide pin, but is to close to the ropes. Beefcake nails Dupree with a dropkick and follows up with a Kitchen Sink knee. Beefcake lifts up Dupree and gives him a Tilt-a-wirl slam, a atomic drop and a backbreaker. Beefcake then does some strange pointing dance taunt.

- Dupree drops Beefcake with a close line and Beefcake comes back with a suplex. Beefcake gives Dupree some chops and a russian leg sweep. Beefcake rakes the eyes of Dupree and then locks in his sleeperhold. Dupree manages to get the yellow ball in the reverse section and reverses the move and locks Beefcake in the sleeper. Beefcake manages to get the yellow ball in the escape section to get out of the hold.

- Dupree gives Beefcake a DDT and then gets clotheslined out of his boots with a massive clothesline. Beefcake gives Dupree a swinging neckbreaker and does his pointing dance taunt. Dupree interupts this taunt and gets some dirty meter for doing it. Dupree then does the French Tickler :love: Beefcake goes out side and slingshots Dupree then gets back in the ring and gives him the Super Atomic Drop. Beefcake goes for the cover and pins Dupree after 5:00.

A nice match there and was really impressed by the sleeperhold reversal, looked very fluid and very cool.

[Savio]

GOD DAMN VINCE MCMAHONN CAN GO TO QUEER HELL AND HAVE SEX WITH GUYS. HE SUCKS ASS RIGHT NOW. I REALLY HATE HIM RIGHT NOW. I WILL KILL MY DOG IF THIS GAME DOES'NT COME OUT. I WILL BE A BOUNTY HUNTER.........again...
BAH GAWD STUNNER!

[The Answer]

Does lilian actually say mankind cause I keep hearing Mickkind for some reason.Is it just me or is anyone else gettin this as well

[Hired Hitman]

Well It always sounds like she is saying EGG when she introduces Edge :|

[Drakul]

Does lilian actually say mankind cause I keep hearing Mickkind for some reason.Is it just me or is anyone else gettin this as well
yeah,I hear. "making his way to the ring..Mankine"

[SuperSlim]

I thought she was tryin to say Mick Foley, or was she really sayin mankind?

[Drakul]

I think she starts to say Mick Foley but then changes it to Mankind O_o

[Disturbed316]

Roddy Piper comes from GlassCow, aparantly :-\

[t-man]

So Brett has his music.. I just hope Legend Kane does...(sorry for all the kane stuff but hes cool)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Disturbed316]

All I now want is Rock to have his "Do YOU smell what The Rock is cooking?" music, then I will be super happy.

[t-man]

I want that too. Then I will pass out for about 2 minutes.lol.I'm going to get this game first.Going to EB Games to reserve a copy?First thing I'll do on SDVSraw is try to get my online straight.

[Disturbed316]

Legend Kane and Undertaker are up on IGN.

[Disturbed316]

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558756/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041021001851521.jpg

lol oh my god, they actually have Masked Kane as his name :nono:

[t-man]

'OMFG~!!!! :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :wtf: mASKED KANE IS HIS NAME? :rofl:

[Disturbed316]

Jesus, the server is taking ages to update :mad:

[t-man]

My server does the same thing. Dont worry your not the only one lol.

[Savio]

GFC! Masked Kane!?

[V]

lol... "I am masked kane.. fear me!" ok that was stuipd, anyway, do the road warriors have their real music?

[loopydate]

Look out! It's Bald Kurt Angle! And Barefoot Jimmy Snuka!

[Disturbed316]

lol... "I am masked kane.. fear me!" ok that was stuipd, anyway, do the road warriors have their real music?

Its a cheap rip off, but it does have Hawk say UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH WHAT A RUSH! at the beginning.

[t-man]

It does? Is that his real music?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legends of the Day #'s 7 and 8

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Height: 7'
Hometown: Parts Unknown
Weight: 326lbs

There's nothing small about Kane. At seven feet tall, and over 300 pounds, the Big Red Monster has been terrorizing opponents, and making waves since his debut seven years ago. And even that was huge.

Following months of speculation, Kane made his first appearance on October 5, 1997, at Badd Blood, when he ripped the cage door off during a match between Shawn Michaels and Undertaker—the first-ever Hell in the Cell. Kane and 'Taker then stood toe to toe during a chilling stare down, until Kane kicked the Phenom in the stomach, and Tombstoned him in the center of the ring, allowing a bloodied and battered Michaels to pin Undertaker for the victory.

Despite the unwarranted attack, Undertaker vowed he would not wage war against his own flesh and blood in front of a national audience, but as Kane's assaults continued, the Deadman was left with no choice. At WrestleMania XIV, the half-brothers met for the first time in singles competition, and after three Tombstones, 'Taker was victorious.

After his brutal WrestleMania match, Kane continued to climb the ranks, and at King of the Ring '98, Stone Cold Steve Austin and Kane clashed in a First Blood Match—the first competitor to make his opponent bleed would win the match. As an added stipulation, Kane promised that if he lost he'd set himself on fire. This match gave Kane a distinct advantage over Austin; since he wore a mask and most of his body was covered by his red ring attire, it was nearly impossible to confirm if he was bleeding. During the match, the referee was knocked out, and Undertaker ran to the ring to interfere. He missed a chair shot on Kane and nailed Austin in the head, busting him wide open. Even bloodied, Austin continued his assault on Kane, but when the referee regained consciousness, he awarded the match to Kane. 'Taker later revealed that he intended to bust open Stone Cold so that Kane wouldn't set himself on fire.

The next night on RAW, Mr. McMahon decorated the ring with a red canvas, and only eight months after his debut, Kane was crowned the new WWE Champion. However, his reign was one of the shortest ever, as Kane lost the title back to Austin later that night.

Since his loss to Stone Cold, Kane has has enjoyed several reigns as the Intercontinental, Hardcore, and World Tag Team Champion - that he held with RVD. And it was during his pairing with RVD that Kane experienced one of the most emotional nights of his career.

After being egged on for weeks about becoming "soft," Kane agreed to a match, where if he was didn't win, he would remove his trademark mask. Despite a valiant effort, Kane was unsuccessful, and as RAW came to a close, the seven-footer untied, and removed his veil, revealing his hideous mug to the world.

(credit: WWE.com)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Sidewalk Slam 03, Scoop Slam 05, Throat Thrust 05, Suplex 06
Chokeslam 05 (Finisher) Powerbomb 10 (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558756/maskedkane_102104_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_97079 0.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 1 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558756/maskedkane_102104_02_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_97079 8.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558756/maskedkane_102104_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_97079 4.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 3 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558756/maskedkane_102104_04_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_97078 8.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

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Height: 6'10"
Hometown: Death Valley, CA
Weight: 328lbs

If any one Superstar symbolizes WWE, it's the Undertaker.
For more than a dozen years, the Undertaker has been a WWE mainstay. He's battled all the greats -- from Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior to Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock -- and lived to tell about it. No other Superstar has ever had the run of success enjoyed by the Deadman -- no one.

A multiple-time WWE Champion, Taker has had the privilege of performing in main events all over the U.S., North America and the world. In fact, Taker's WrestleMania record is second to none -- he is an amazing 12-0 at WrestleMania.

The Undertaker has also been at the forefront of some of the most original matches and concepts in WWE history. He is the innovator of Inferno Matches, Casket Matches, and, of course, the famed Hell in the Cell. He is also constantly in the hunt for the WWE Championship.

(credit: WWE.com)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Sidewalk Slam 03, Choke Toss, Respect Me?, Suplex 06
Tombstone Pin (Finisher) Chokeslam 01 (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558757/deadman_102104_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_970760.h tml%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 1 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558757/deadman_102104_02_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_970768.h tml%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558757/deadman_102104_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_970764.h tml%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 3 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558757/deadman_102104_04_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_970758.h tml%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

sry for the delay, I was very busy

[t-man]

hurry with the videos!!!!!!!!!! My life life depends on this damnit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Drakul]

hurry with the videos!!!!!!!!!! My life life depends on this damnit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Someone needs sedated :P

[t-man]

This is what I've been waiting for. If they dont got the music. VINCE WILL die,...................................

[Drakul]

I bet Taker has that crap origonal 10 thing from HCTP and kane will have his new one. :y:

[Disturbed316]

WTF, Masked Kane's enterance is the same as normal Kane's, music and all :mad:

[Drakul]

Yeah im watching on IGN
(both Kane and Takers are exactly like the modern ones.)
Why didn't they just make these "Costume B" for Kane and Taker?

[t-man]

Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rob]

For the record, that is Beefcake's legit music.

[Disturbed316]

Yeah im watching on IGN
(both Kane and Takers are exactly like the modern ones.)
Why didn't they just make these "Costume B" for Kane and Taker?

Exactly what I thought.

[Drakul]

Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There there *pats your back*

For the record, that is Beefcake's legit music.
Yeah I mentioned it might be.

[Drakul]

Theres a few legends they should have put in, instead of Kane and Undertaker (seen as how there exactly like there modern selves.)

Owen Hart (Just to team him with Bret)
Big John Studd
Ricky Steamboat
Terry Funk
Earthquake
Honky Tonk Man :shifty:
Any of the Von Erich family
Doink the Clown :shifty:

Yeah my list isn't great but there all I could think of right now.
Who would you guys rather have?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

they're up now, I was busy as hell earlier, sry for them being up late though

[Disturbed316]

Notes on "Masked" Kane:

- The enterance is the same as normal Kane's, they didn't even bother to put his old music in. Although he does look good.

- Match starts out against normal Kane, 7 seconds in. MK gives Kane a choke toss and a backbreaker. Alot of moves get reversed before MK lays out Kane with a big boot.

- MK gives Kane a clothesline and a full nelson slam. MK picks up Kane and give him another choketoss and follows up with a shoulder breaker. MK picks up Kane once again and gives him a powerslam.

- MK gives Kane a suplex and taunts. MK then gives Kane the powerbomb pin move, but is broken up by a rope break. MK then gives Kane the chokeslam and pins him for the 3 after 2:16.

Looks like both Masked Kane and Legend Undertaker are going to have EXACTLY the same move set as the origninals :mad:

[Disturbed316]

Who would you guys rather have?

LA FUCKING RESISTANCE :rant:

[Drakul]

Yeah. :y:
I meant Legends wise though.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

very good new for ppl in the UK, WWE Smackdown vs Raw is coming out on November 9th, 2004 where as the US date remains on November 2nd 2004.

and heres proof http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/index.php?id=headlines/100397973]

[Disturbed316]

I heard about this, but I'm not too convinced. The 9th November is a Tuesday, and games never come out on Tuesdays over here.

[Disturbed316]

Notes on "Legend" Undertaker:

- It's the same as the modern day Undertaker. When you see a close up of Takers face, it looks so amazingly life like and looks really freaky when he rolls his eyes.

- Match starts out against modern day Undertaker. LU's hair looks like a wig has been whacked on his head. LU gets the first blow in with a clothesline and gives him a choketoss. He gives him a spinebuster and then gives him a full nelson slam. After a shoulder breaker, LU does some taunts.

- Taker gets taken out by a big boot from LU, who then grabs him by the neck and throws him across the ring. LU gives Taker another shoulder breaker and a sidewalk slam before taunting some more.

- Taker is down, but sits back up. LU whips him into the corner and does the Old School armlock punch thing. LU picks him up and gives him a tombstone piledriver, but is broken up by the ropes. He picks him up again and then gives him his chokeslam finisher and pins him after 3:57.

Must say I am a little disappointed about these last two legends, nothing is different apart from their attire and Legend Undertaker has a chokeslam as a finisher.

[Tazz Dan]

Hey Guys, I work at Harvey Norman here in Australia, and we got a confirmation e-mail through today saying that we'll get the game on 27th October.
I really don't think it's it's right, but our manager called the supplier and they're saying it is.

[DaveWadding]

Theres a few legends they should have put in, instead of Kane and Undertaker (seen as how there exactly like there modern selves.)

Owen Hart (Just to team him with Bret)
Big John Studd
Ricky Steamboat
Terry Funk
Earthquake
Honky Tonk Man :shifty:
Any of the Von Erich family
Doink the Clown :shifty:

Yeah my list isn't great but there all I could think of right now.
Who would you guys rather have?DiBiase, Savage, Hogan, Steamboat, Honky Tonk, Jake Roberts, Rude, Owen, Bulldog, Demolition, Strike Force, Brain Busters etc.

[SuperSlim]

just wonderin if anybody else got some weird 30 second clip before they could view any of the vids.

BUt anyway I'm guess this is their way of short changin us for makin such an awesome game. Takin some shortcuts with Legend Undertaker- which they say weighs 305 lbs. when he clearly weighed 328 lbs. at the time. Sorry a lil nit picky there. Then the entrance... good grief. But Kane they really took short cuts on. It was a lil sad... but ah well. They really didn't need to screw up the name like that either.

[Disturbed316]

Wow, Gamespot have finally updated something. They have afew new screen shots up, but some of them have been seen before. Here are afew new screens they have up:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041018_screen001.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041018_screen002.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041018_screen003.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041018_screen005.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041018_screen008.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041018_screen009.jpg

[Disturbed316]

They also have a Designer's Diary, which can be found here (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/wwesmackdownvsraw/preview_6110790.html) . It's a really interesting read and talks about how they went about getting the voice overs for the game.

[Team Sheep]

It still says the 19th on game.net

[t-man]

So JBL and Eddie have a storyline. Wow. :eek:

[Jonster]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR...

They're having a match.

[t-man]

You cant get thrown out of a limo like that in a match.

[Sephiroth]

You cant get thrown out of a limo like that in a match.Really??? Have you played the Parking Lot Brawl ?

[t-man]

Oh. Right. But it really looks like a storyline.

[Disturbed316]

T-Man is right, you cant get thrown out the limo like that, well, not out the front seat anyway.

The animations (from what I've seen) for the limo at the front door is you get your head put through the window, and at the back seat is where you get chucked in, ruffled up and then thrown back out again.

Judging from that shot, it looks like it somekind of cut-scene in season mode.

[Disturbed316]

FUCK! This was posted on IGN's boards from Jeremy:

A lot of people have been asking me about this, and so I figured I'd confirm that it's true. You can't use legends in Season Mode. As some of you may remember, THQ informed us a few months ago that they would be playable; and was part of the plan -- but apparently, it wasn't included in the final build. I haven't been given an official reason why it was removed yet, but then again, I haven't really asked either.

Hope that answers some questions.

Bugger, I wanted to use this years legends in the season mode :rant:

[Sephiroth]

Indeed, he is right after takin a good look at the pic, it looks like a cut-scene from season mode. :y:

[t-man]

Legends cant be used in season mode. That really sucks. I just hope you can get longer storylines. And have a big rivalry with somebody.

[Jonster]

Doesn't mean there's JBL/Eddie storyline though, I'd imagine the wrestlers would be interchangable in the cut scenes :-\

[t-man]

Yes. I doubt they have singl storylines. I correct what i said.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legend of the Day #9

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558956/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041022021734532.jpg

Height: 6'5"
Hometown: Miami, FL
Weight: 255lbs

He is the most electrifying man in sports and entertainment. He is quickly becoming one of the most recognized faces on the planet and one of the hottest celebrities in all walks of life.

Call him whatever you want, but to the millions—and millions—of fans around the world, there is no substitute for The Rock.

A third generation WWE Superstar, The Rock at first did not plan to follow in the family tradition of sports entertainment stardom, but instead used his athletics heredity on the gridiron where he starred for the University of Miami. After a very brief professional football career, The Rock decided to give WWE a shot—a choice that would prove to begin a new era in the entertainment world. In only a few years, The Rock was a multi-time WWE Champion and one of the most celebrated superstars to ever set foot in the ring.

But it was more than his ability to layeth the smacketh down in the ring that made The Rock a Superstar. His quick wit, charisma, and ability to talk smack earned such raves that "The People's Champion" was asked to speak to the people over and over again. Among his many famous public appearances were a stint hosting "Saturday Night Live" in 2000 and a speech at the 2002 Republican National Convention.

By 2001, The Rock became a multi-media superstar, having starred in the feature film, "The Mummy Returns," and its highly successful prequel, "The Scorpion King." His autobiography, "The Rock Says…" was a New York Times No. 1 bestseller.

Recently, The Rock may have earned his biggest box office break to date with a starring role in "Walking Tall," an action drama based on a true story that is expected to be even more successful than his previous hit, "The Rundown." While many consider The Rock to be Hollywood's next great superstar, he still believes that World Wrestling Entertainment is his home and is ready to return to the ring when duty calls. When Mick Foley suffered injury and humiliation at the hands of Evolution, Rocky returned to RAW to reform the Rock 'n' Sock Connection and the two competed as a team at WrestleMania XX. While Evolution walked out as the winner, The Rock proved that he has not lost his touch in the ring and at the microphone and is as beloved as a WWE Superstar now more than ever!

(credit: WWE.com)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Dragon Screw 01, Suplex 01, The Rock Angry, Scoop Slam 02
The People's Elbow (Finisher) The Rock Bottom (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558956/smackraw_therock_102204_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid _972271.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 1 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558956/smackraw_therock_102204_02_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid _972279.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558956/smackraw_therock_102204_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid _972275.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
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sry, I was playing Deep Sea Shark(Epic Pinball)

[t-man]

If he does'nt have the music someone wil die. IF YA SMELLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Disturbed316]

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558956/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041022020649510.jpg

ROCK BOTTOM!!!!!

:love:

[Disturbed316]

"IF YOU SMELL...WHAT THE ROCK...IS COOKING!"

:'(

[SuperSlim]

he better have some good music... most likely the If ya smelllllllll... althought he Do ya smell what The Rock is Cookin... theme would be pretty awesome for him to have. I still miss the Hollywood theme though :'(

[Drakul]

The entrance is up on IGN.:D
"IF YA SMEEEEEEEELLL...what the rock...is cooking" is in :y:

[Disturbed316]

GOD DAMN IT, it should be "Do YOU Smell" not "If ya smell" :mad: :'(

[t-man]

ok. Do you smell what the rock is cooking?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legend of the Day #10

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558957/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041022023715318.jpg

Height: 7'5"
Hometown: Grenoble, FR
Weight: 525LBS

At 7'5" and more than 500 pounds, Andre the Giant could have been famous for his size alone. His drive, talent and ambition, however, proved to be as big as Andre himself, and the wrestler became legendary for his achievements in and out of the ring. Andre was born Andre Rene Roussimoff in Grenoble, France on May 19, 1946. His parents, Boris and Marian Roussimoff, and four siblings were of average size. Andre, however, suffered from acromegaly, a disease that results in an over abundance of growth hormones. Also known as Giantism, this disease caused Andre's body to continue growing his whole life, and by the time he was 17 he stood 6'7".

Due to his immense stature it seemed inevitable that Andre would excel in the wrestling world. He had just started to make a name for himself in the ring as "Monster Eiffel Tower" or "Monster Roussimoff" when French-Canadian wrestler Edouard Carpentier first laid eyes on him. Carpentier was impressed with Andre's raw talent and decided to bring him to North America. Andre began wrestling under the name Jean Ferre in Canada for Grand Prix Promotions. In a short time Andre went from the undercard to being a headlining name. Inspired by the movie King Kong he acquired the nickname, "The 8th Wonder of the World," which stayed with him for the rest of his career.

By the time Andre had performed in front of 20,000 wrestling fans in Montreal, his legend had reached Vince McMahon, Sr. at the World Wide Wrestling Federation's (WWWF) headquarters. McMahon would forever alter Andre's life. In 1972, McMahon signed Andre to wrestle for the WWWF and changed his name to capitalize on his enormity. "Andre the Giant" became one of the most recognizable names in wrestling. Andre performed under his new name at Madison Square Garden, where he easily defeated his opponent Buddy Wolfe without breaking a sweat. Before long, Andre's venues were sold out and wrestlers lined up to perform in his shadow. As Andre's fame grew to stardom, he was featured in Sports Illustrated in the largest feature they had ever published.

In 1987 Andre drew the biggest crowd in WWF (formerly WWWF) history thus far. A record 90,000 fans packed the Pontiac Silver Dome in Detroit, Michigan to watch Andre wrestle fellow legend Hulk Hogan in the main event of WrestleMania III. In all, Andre participated at six WrestleManias and faced some of the toughest opponents in the business, including Big John Studd and Jake "The Snake" Roberts. For many years he was known as the "Uncrowned Champion," until he found his place in infamy and held the WWF title for the shortest reign in history. This wasn't the only championship Andre captured - he also won titles in the (NWA), (IWA) and the WWF Tag Team Championship.

Andre's fame also opened the door to Hollywood. He made his acting debut in 1975 as "Big Foot" in The Six Million Dollar Man. Andre enjoyed the experience and went on to appear in television shows including B.J. and the Bear, The Fall Guy and The Greatest American Hero, and movies such as Conan the Destroyer, Micki and Maude, and Trading Mom. His favorite role, and the one for which he is best remembered, was the lovable giant "Fezzik" in Rob Reiner's classic The Princess Bride.

Andre's last television appearance was on a celebration of 20 years of NWA/WCW wrestling on TBS. Sadly, over the years the effects of acromegaly had continued to wear down his body. Eventually his immense size was just too much for his heart, and Andre the Giant died in Paris, France in his hotel room on January 27, 1993. His ashes were later taken home and spread over his North Carolina ranch. Though professionally Andre will always be remembered as The 8th Wonder of the World, he is known and loved by fans across the globe as The Gentle Giant.

(credit: Andre the Giant.com)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Sidewalk Slam 01, Big Knee Smash, Big Punch 03, Scoop Slam 04
Elbow Drop 12 (Finisher) Big Splash Pin (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558957/smackraw_andre_102204_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_9 72223.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 1 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558957/smackraw_andre_102204_02_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_9 72226.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558957/smackraw_andre_102204_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_9 72228.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 3 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558957/smackraw_andre_102204_04_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvid_9 72227.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

and Bret "The Hitman" Hart will be up soon

[The Answer]

Legend of the Day #10

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558957/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041022023715318.jpg

Height: 7'5"
Hometown: Grenoble, FR
Weight: 525LBS

At 7'5" and more than 500 pounds, Andre the Giant could have been famous for his size alone. His drive, talent and ambition, however, proved to be as big as Andre himself, and the wrestler became legendary for his achievements in and out of the ring. Andre was born Andre Rene Roussimoff in Grenoble, France on May 19, 1946. His parents, Boris and Marian Roussimoff, and four siblings were of average size. Andre, however, suffered from acromegaly, a disease that results in an over abundance of growth hormones. Also known as Giantism, this disease caused Andre's body to continue growing his whole life, and by the time he was 17 he stood 6'7".

Due to his immense stature it seemed inevitable that Andre would excel in the wrestling world. He had just started to make a name for himself in the ring as "Monster Eiffel Tower" or "Monster Roussimoff" when French-Canadian wrestler Edouard Carpentier first laid eyes on him. Carpentier was impressed with Andre's raw talent and decided to bring him to North America. Andre began wrestling under the name Jean Ferre in Canada for Grand Prix Promotions. In a short time Andre went from the undercard to being a headlining name. Inspired by the movie King Kong he acquired the nickname, "The 8th Wonder of the World," which stayed with him for the rest of his career.

By the time Andre had performed in front of 20,000 wrestling fans in Montreal, his legend had reached Vince McMahon, Sr. at the World Wide Wrestling Federation's (WWWF) headquarters. McMahon would forever alter Andre's life. In 1972, McMahon signed Andre to wrestle for the WWWF and changed his name to capitalize on his enormity. "Andre the Giant" became one of the most recognizable names in wrestling. Andre performed under his new name at Madison Square Garden, where he easily defeated his opponent Buddy Wolfe without breaking a sweat. Before long, Andre's venues were sold out and wrestlers lined up to perform in his shadow. As Andre's fame grew to stardom, he was featured in Sports Illustrated in the largest feature they had ever published.

In 1987 Andre drew the biggest crowd in WWF (formerly WWWF) history thus far. A record 90,000 fans packed the Pontiac Silver Dome in Detroit, Michigan to watch Andre wrestle fellow legend Hulk Hogan in the main event of WrestleMania III. In all, Andre participated at six WrestleManias and faced some of the toughest opponents in the business, including Big John Studd and Jake "The Snake" Roberts. For many years he was known as the "Uncrowned Champion," until he found his place in infamy and held the WWF title for the shortest reign in history. This wasn't the only championship Andre captured - he also won titles in the (NWA), (IWA) and the WWF Tag Team Championship.

Andre's fame also opened the door to Hollywood. He made his acting debut in 1975 as "Big Foot" in The Six Million Dollar Man. Andre enjoyed the experience and went on to appear in television shows including B.J. and the Bear, The Fall Guy and The Greatest American Hero, and movies such as Conan the Destroyer, Micki and Maude, and Trading Mom. His favorite role, and the one for which he is best remembered, was the lovable giant "Fezzik" in Rob Reiner's classic The Princess Bride.

Andre's last television appearance was on a celebration of 20 years of NWA/WCW wrestling on TBS. Sadly, over the years the effects of acromegaly had continued to wear down his body. Eventually his immense size was just too much for his heart, and Andre the Giant died in Paris, France in his hotel room on January 27, 1993. His ashes were later taken home and spread over his North Carolina ranch. Though professionally Andre will always be remembered as The 8th Wonder of the World, he is known and loved by fans across the globe as The Gentle Giant.

(credit: Andre the Giant.com)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Sidewalk Slam 01, Big Knee Smash, Big Punch 03, Scoop Slam 04
Elbow Drop 12 (Finisher) Big Splash Pin (Finisher)

vids will be up when the server loads them

This theme should be interesting I wonder what them he will have

[The Answer]

"IF YOU SMELL...WHAT THE ROCK...IS COOKING!"

:'(

Rock looks Awesome maybe one of the better designed wrestlers.That's interesting his bar says clean yet he still does that clothsline and starts touching his head causing a heel reaction

[Drakul]

This theme should be interesting I wonder what them he will have
I think he has no music

[Loose Cannon]

GOD DAMN IT, it should be "Do YOU Smell" not "If ya smell" :mad: :'(

oh fuck. I wanted that one too. I never liked the other one.

[The Answer]

I think he has no music

Correct just saw it, just the fans cheering

[Disturbed316]

Notes on The Rock:

- "IF YOU SMELL...WHAT THE ROCK...IS COOKING" Large WWE logo shows where Titan Tron would be. It cuts back to see The Rock walk out on stage. He stops halfway down, looks at the crowd, takes a couple of steps back, looks the other side of the crowd and then continues walking to the ring. He walks up the steps and along the apron to the turnbuckle where he climbs up and taunts. The Rock looks fantastic, one of the best models in the game IMO. He gets in the ring and climbs the turnbuckle and taunts again.

- Match starts out against Triple H with a shoving battle. Rock has a terrible first shove so match begins properly. Rock takes down Triple H with a running elbow. Rock then ducks a clothesline from Triple H and hits one of his own. Rock DDT's Triple H and nips up after. He picks up Triple H and then gives him a Samone Drop. Rock then gives Triple H another DDT.

- Rock gives Triple H a suplex and then claps to himself. He then does his "Rock Angry" move. He picks up Triple H and scoopslams him then gives him a dragon screw.

- Video opens with Rock taunting Triple H. He then picks him up and gives him a Rock Bottom. He picks him up and gives him a clothesline. Rock goes over to Triple H's head and does a People's Elbow. The Rock pins Triple H after 5:20

Well it seems that it's HCTP Hollywood Rock in a different attire and new enterance :-\ All his "Hollywood manerisims" are still in :-\

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Legend of the Day #11(FINAL)

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/558/558958/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-20041022025817825.jpg

Height: 6'
Hometown: Calgary, Canada
Weight: 235lbs

Bret Hart, son of wrestler and trainer Stu Hart, grew up with many brothers, which made him determined to be a great wrestler like his father. Wrestling with the likes of the British Bulldog and Chris Benoit in his father's Dungeon, Bret soon learned his craft well. He became one of the main attractions as "The Hitman" in the Stampede Federation, as well as a few other organizations. He earned part of his mystique due to his shyness. In interview segments, since he didn't want the audience to see his eyes, he started wearing wraparound shades. With the Calgary Stampede, Bret had two reigns as the British Commonwealth Mid-Heavyweight Champion; was a 5-time International Tag-Team Champion; and won the North American Heavyweight Belt 6 times.

In 1985, he joined the WWF, wrestling in a low-card status for a time. Then he was recruited by Jimmy "Mouth of the South" Hart and was teamed up with Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart, his future brother-in-law, forming the rulebreakers known as the Hart Foundation. After a year together, the team finally made it to the top, defeating the British Bulldogs for the Tag-Team Titles in January '87, partially thanks to the help of Danny Davis, the referee they had paid off. They engaged in feuds with the Bulldogs for the next few months, which included making Davis wrestle with the Hart Foundation. The team went on to other feuds with various tag-teams in the WWF, holding the belts until the end of October, when they were finally defeated by Strike Force (Tito Santana & Rick Martel).

It didn't take long for Hart to shake up the WWF as a singles competitor. During the King of the Ring competition in '91 (which was televised), Hart defeated Pete Dougherty, Skinner, and Irwin R. Schyster to take the tournament. Because of this win, Hart was given the Intercontinental Title shot against Mr. Perfect (Curt Hennig) at Summerslam. Hart came through, defeating Perfect with his new finisher, the Sharpshooter, to become the champ. Hart held the title until the beginning of '92, when he lost the belt to the Mountie. An illness kept him from getting the rematch for the title, so he gave his shot over to "Rowdy" Roddy Piper. Piper then defeated the Mountie at the Royal Rumble '92. Hart then met Piper for the belt at Wrestlemania VIII. The two fought hard, but kept things clean, as Piper decided not to use a foreign object to win the match. Hart won out in the end, winning the Intercontinental Title for the second time. Hart and Piper then parted as friends.

In October '92, he completed his climb, defeating Ric Flair to become the WWF World Champion. Hart stayed the champion for almost six months, having some great matches with wrestlers like Papa Shango, Shawn Michaels, and Razor Ramon (Scott Hall). The Hitman usually employed the Sharpshooter to come out the victor, and remain the World Champ.

Hart next went back against Shawn Michaels, and the two were set up in a 60-minute Iron Man Match at Wrestlemania XII. It has been argued as being one of the greatest matches in WWF history, as both men went to their limits and beyond. At the end of the time limit, the Hitman had the Heart Break Kid in the Sharpshooter. Unfortunately, the time expired, leaving the decision undecided. This led to the powers that be announcing that the match would continue in Sudden Death. Michaels, able to recover during the short break, managed to get the pin on Bret, taking away the World Title. Hart then left the wrestling business for the next few months, taking some time off to rest and recuperate.

In the later months of '96, "Stone Cold" Steve Austin began sending out challenges to Hart in his interviews. After many insults from Austin, Bret finally reappeared, to the crowd's delight. Hart faced off against Austin in a great technical match at the Survivor Series. The two fought for nearly 30 minutes, with Hart getting the pinfall victory in the end to show that he was still a major player in the WWF. Hart then went back to the top brackets, going after then-World Champion Sycho Sid. Unfortunately, interference from Hart's old nemesis Michaels cost Hart the win.

After facing the Undertaker one more time at One Night Only, where he won via DQ, Hart went through a brief feud against the Patriot and Vader, with the British Bulldog again helping him out. The Canadians won out over the American team. Hart then went back to feuding with Michaels, who had allies of his own in Hunter Hearst Helmsley and Rick Rude (the start of Degeneration-X). The two faced off at Survivor Series '97 in a highly-anticipated match. It soon, however, became one of the most infamous moments in wrestling history. Earlier in the month, Hart had given his notice to Vince McMahon, saying that he was leaving the WWF. This was to be his final match. At one point during the fight, Michaels got Hart in a version of the Sharpshooter. Before Hart could fight his way out, McMahon came out and ended the match, making Michaels the World Champion. The screwjob completely shocked the Hitman, as it wasn't part of the expected storyline. Hart spit in McMahon's face and walked out. It was later claimed that the two fought in the backstage area, with Hart breaking McMahon's jaw. Either way, Hart was finished with the WWF.

In December '97, Bret showed up in WCW; but after years of being under-used and underappreciated, Bret Hart announced his retirement in late 2000 following a serious injury.

(credit: Accelerator's Wrestling Rollercoaster)

SIGNATURE MOVES

Gutwrench Suplex 01, Neckbreaker 12, DA Suplex 02, Suplex 10
Sharpshooter 01 (Finisher) Piledriver 03 (Finisher)

Entrance (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558958/smackraw_brethart_102204_01_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvi d_972246.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 1 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558958/smackraw_brethart_102204_02_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvi d_972254.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 2 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558958/smackraw_brethart_102204_03_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvi d_972250.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)
Part 3 (http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/558/558958/smackraw_brethart_102204_04_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.ign.com%2Fmedia%2F670%2F670847%2Fvi d_972244.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E)

and with that, we are done, next week will be another artical which I'll post next week so look for that

[Disturbed316]

lol Bret Hart gets a 9.5 for submission.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

should be 10, I know

[DaveWadding]

how could Bret be 91 and H be 96? I don't want to even try to understand that.

[Disturbed316]

how could Bret be 91 and H be 96? I don't want to even try to understand that.

Triple H is 94 :o

But how he is higher than Bret, I dont know :nono:

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

thats just worng, Bret Hart is a better superstar than Triple H

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Bret Harts vids are UP

[Disturbed316]

I am going to fucking murder the server :mad:

Keeps resetting when I'm downloading the videos :mad:

[The Answer]

Bret looks good and the theme is authentic

[Disturbed316]

Notes on Andre the Giant:

- Andre comes out first, to no music. He comes out on stage and raises his arm, and continues to the ring. Andre looks fucking amazing. Andre steps over the top rope and taunts the crowd.

- Test of Strength starts the match off between Andre and Big Show. Would be interesting to see who would win this in real life. Andre wins it and gets the first blow in. Andre sticks Show's head inbetween his knee's and jumps up and down. Andre then headbutts Show and gives him a side suplex and another headbutt.

- Andre chops down Show and gives him a headbutt to the back of Show's head. Andre slams Show's head into his knee which knocks him out. Andre picks him up and smacks Show in his lower back. Holy Crap! Andre just scoopslammed Big Show. Andre gives Show a sidewalk slam and then taunts.

- Andre knocks down Show with a shoulder tackle and then whips him into the corner where he pounds Show's head on the turnbuckle 10 times. Andre then gives Show his Big Splash, but it's broken up by a ropebreak. Andre drags Show into the middle of the ring and gives him another Big Splash for the 3 after 2:07.

Andre looks amazing. They were fighting in the Wrestlemania 20 arena, which look amazing too.

[Disturbed316]

Notes on Bret Hart:

- Music starts and Bret comes out and walks down to the ring. He looks soooooo good. Bret gets in the ring and taunts the crowd. Bret climbs out of the ring and gives his glasses away to a fan. Bret gets back in the ring and walks around abit.

- Match starts out straight away against Chris Benoit. Hart goes to level Benoit with a clothesline but misses. He gives Benoit a nasty chop which knocks Benoit down. Bret picks him up and gives him a shinebreaker, a gutbuster and a DDT.

- Bret gives Benoit a neckbreaker and a butterfly suplex. Hart picks up Benoit and gives him a snap suplex, and follows it up with a gutwrench suplex.

- Bret whips Benoit into the corner and gives him a suplex off the top. Bret kicks Benoit in the gut and gives him his Piledriver finisher. Bret drags him to the center of the ring and locks in the Sharpshooter. Benoit manages to escape after battling hard and the video ends without showing a winner.

Bret looks absolutley stunning. I can not wait for this game to come out now, despite some of the recent disappointments. Bret is going to be the first legend I unlock. Cant wait :love:

[V]

BRET HART :love::love::love::love::love::love::love:

HIS MUSIC :love::love::love::love::love::love:

[Sephiroth]

Meh, really sucks that Brets his stats aren't higher:(


Oh well, he looks great though :y: can't wait to play with Bret! :love:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Here's the order I'm likely going to unlock the legends in:

1. Mankind
2. The Rock
3. Bret Hart
4. Andre The Giant
5. Roddy Piper
6. Hawk
7. Animal
8. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
9. Jimmy Snuka
10. Masked Kane :n:
11. Legend Undertaker</font> :n:

[Head]

I can't wait to create the winged eagle WWF title, and give it to Bret.

[Sephiroth]

I can't wait to create the winged eagle WWF title, and give it to Bret.
:love: That's what i was thinkin :y:

[SuperSlim]

I'ma be creatin titles... specially the classics.

But hearin that theme for Bret was awesome. Can't wait to buy that game Tuesday mornin when it comes out Nov. 2nd.

[jasonvoorhees]

I will create that smokin skull belt austin had.

[V]

Meh, really sucks that Brets his stats aren't higher:(

you can always take him to season and raise his "season" stats

[El Santo]

Maybe... but then again, a few posts back, I think it mentioned that you can't play the Legends in Season.

[Imagi-Nation]

I can't wait to create the winged eagle WWF title, and give it to Bret.

I can't wait to kick Brets ass as HBK :yes: :lol:

[V]

Maybe... but then again, a few posts back, I think it mentioned that you can't play the Legends in Season.

oh SHIT forgot about that

damnit!

[Disturbed316]

When I first start playing the game, I'm only going to create myself and a Undisputed Title. Might make it look like the WWF title, if I can afford it.

As for legends, I'm probably going to unlock them in this order:

1 - Bret Hart
2 - The Rock
3 - Andre the Giant
4 - Mankind
5 - Roddy Piper
6 - Jimmy Snuka
7 - Animal
8 - Hawk
9 - Brutus Beefcake
10 - Masked Kane
11 - Legend Undertaker

[Disturbed316]

Gamespot have updated again, and have screens shots and a hands on preview. The article can be found here (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/wwesmackdownvsraw/preview_6111249.html) .

[Disturbed316]

There are lots of screen shots up now, so I will be posting the most interesting ones.

*SPOILER WARNING! SOME SCREENS CONTAIN STUFF FROM SEASON MODE. DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DONT WANT SOME OF SEASON MODE SPOILED*

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen001.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen003.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen005.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen006.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen008.jpg

[Disturbed316]

Afew more screens:

*SPOILER WARNING! SOME SCREENS CONTAIN STUFF FROM SEASON MODE. DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DONT WANT SOME OF SEASON MODE SPOILED*


http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen035.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen040.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen041.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen042.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen043.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920640_20041022_screen046.jpg

[Disturbed316]

Wow, I'm loving the look of this game. The article is rather interesting, but doesn't really tell us stuff that we dont already know about. It mentions one of the storylines in season and I also noticed that they have some new videos up too.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>*Uses will power to avoid season mode stuff*

9 days</font> :mad:

[Disturbed316]

<font color=goldenrod>*Uses will power to avoid season mode stuff*

9 days</font> :mad:

26 days :'(

[V]

i'm going insane waiting for this game :(

the week-end is the worst cuz there's usually no new info to keep me sane

[Kenny]

http://www.gamingring.com

This site is the mother of all wrestling game news sites. I don't know how this guy gets the games so early, but he posted a ton of movies and screens for Showdown: Legends of Wrestling and now he's done the same for Smackdown vs Raw. Probably a ton of spoilers. The site does require you to join but it's free.

[Disturbed316]

lol I downloaded the video preview (its basically just the same preview, but done in a video) and you hear Torrie's voice :D

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, Tajiri's looking straight at her breasts

[V]

http://www.gamingring.com

This site is the mother of all wrestling game news sites. I don't know how this guy gets the games so early, but he posted a ton of movies and screens for Showdown: Legends of Wrestling and now he's done the same for Smackdown vs Raw. Probably a ton of spoilers. The site does require you to join but it's free.

he took down all his vids cuz people are leeching off him and he's too stupid to know how to use scripts to block people from doing that :rofl:

plus he spoils way too much of the game.. he posted the entire DOR story mode before the game came out for gamecube.. i feel sorry for anyone who watched it all because there is no variation in the story mode on that game

he doesn't understand that people don't need to know every last detail of the game before they decide that they are going to buy it, i like the amount of info IGN and Gamespot give.

[Disturbed316]

LOL, Tajiri's looking straight at her breasts

Last year Earl was being the dirty git, this year its Tajiri :nono:

[t-man]

That created guy looks like he is really extremely gay.

[SuperSlim]

even though the created guy looked gay... it still looks like a hot game

[Funky Fly]

I hate you playstation bastards. DoR is a steaming pile of shit in comparison.

You guys get more story, more legends, more moves, more EVERYTHING. :'(

[MVP]

Gonna be beefing up Bret Hart's stats as soon as I get him.

[Disturbed316]

And how exactly are you going to do that? Cant do it in season mode.

[t-man]

Maybe in challenge mode. Who knows. Maybe you can beef up the stats in Challenge mode. And I'm guessing that computer is for your profile or something?

[SuperSlim]

good thing I got both a GC and a PS2. get to try out DOR and Smackdown vs. Raw. :D

[Tornado]

It's been brought foward a week in the UK. We now get in on the 12th... :D

[XL]

That is the best news ever!!
Well maybe not, the best news ever would be that they brought it forward and released it this week!
Oh well!

[BungeeWithNoCord]

7 more days :D

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

I heard THQ confirmed it was now November 9th for UK

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/index.php?id=headlines/100397973

[Tornado]

I heard THQ confirmed it was now November 9th for UK

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/index.php?id=headlines/100397973


I checked the release schedules at work, we're getting it for release on the 9th.... :D

[The Mackem]

Better buy a PS2 at the start of next month then.

[Disturbed316]

Whoo :D

[jasonvoorhees]

Now who was wrong and who was right?, ME or you.

[Danny Electric]

That is the best news ever!!
Well maybe not, the best news ever would be that they brought it forward and released it this week!
Oh well!

Dude, come to Oxford and we can play it together. :)

[Disturbed316]

Surprised no-one has posted this yet, but yesterday, there was a Play of the Day at IGN. It's of the Royal Rumble, so all those who missed out on the Insider Rumble, can see this one.

The match is split up into 5 video's which are below. Be warned, they are huge files, part 3 is over 65mb:

Part 1 (35mb) (http://media.sports.ign.com/articles/559/559986/vid_974015.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2F559%2F559986%2Fpotdrumb le_001_wmvlow.wmv)

Part 2 (36.9mb) (http://media.sports.ign.com/articles/559/559986/vid_974013.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2F559%2F559986%2Fpotdrumb le_002_wmvlow.wmv)

Part 3 (65.4mb) (http://media.sports.ign.com/articles/559/559986/vid_974011.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2F559%2F559986%2Fpotdrumb le_003_wmvlow.wmv)

Part 4 (57.3mb) (http://media.sports.ign.com/articles/559/559986/vid_974009.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2F559%2F559986%2Fpotdrumb le_004_wmvlow.wmv)

The Finish (50.4mb) (http://media.sports.ign.com/articles/559/559986/vid_974171.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2F559%2F559986%2Fpotdrumb le2_001_wmvlow.wmv)

[MVP]

And how exactly are you going to do that? Cant do it in season mode.
Damn, didn't know that. :'(

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

thanks for the rumble Disturbed

[Azriel]

the Rumble format looks awesome. At least now you have to put some effort into eliminating someone.

[John la Rock]

What the fuck!!!

no Austin? no Hogan?

[Sephiroth]

Rumble is lookin good, can't wait to play this game!

[SuperSlim]

the rumble looks good. I really like that is slightly more difficult to eliminate people. And also I miss havin 6 people in the ring at the same time. And it is pretty cool that they have DOR music durin the matches.

[Disturbed316]

Oh man, how quick did Piper's meter go down at the beginning when he got double teamed. Glad you can get the meter back up though, otherwise you would be fucked.

[Disturbed316]

Just noticed they have changed the elimination animation to. In the earlier builds, they just feel to their feet on the floor, now they land on their back aswell.

[Loose Cannon]

Much better Rumble. Wish it was online though :(

[Sephiroth]

Yeah, online Rumble would have been really cool...meh, all we can do is hope it will be in next year.

[t-man]

I am going to reserve this game. It looks too awsome.

[t-man]

Yeah, online Rumble would have been really cool...meh, all we can do is hope it will be in next year.


I don't think the next one will be coming out anytime soon. The time they go to court is December 2009. So we might not get one for a while. :nono:

[V]

isn't it the opposite, that means if they go to court 2009.. they still hold the license to make the games till then?

i mean, if they had to stop before the court day, SvR wouldnt' be coming out in 5 days + 0.5 hours

[PorkSoda]

Rumble looks awesome. I watched the third part of it last night, the one that was about 9 minutes, and like...the whole match is probably like a real long time, unless the people who were testing were making it go slow....

A rumble in HCTP would have been over in 9 minutes.

[Sephiroth]

I don't think the next one will be coming out anytime soon. The time they go to court is December 2009. So we might not get one for a while. :nono:
Neah, Gohan3k is right...but then again if they would go to court, there are enough other developers on the market that are willing to make a game for the WWE (PS2,XBOX, CUBE), i think EA could make a great WWE game imo.

[SuperSlim]

I don't know... I mean what other developers out there has wrestling game experience besides Acclaim? and we see how they do with LOW... :mad:

Maybe EA, maybe Midway... who does the DOA games on XBox anyway? maybe they could? I dunno. :(

[Sephiroth]

EA did great with Def Jam imo, so i think they are able to make a good wrestling game 2.

[Kalyx triaD]

Team Ninja of Tecmo does the DOA series. I don't if that's a good choice, granted it'll be a great looking game. WWE/THQ possibly breaking up spells a sad note for gamers. Like when Nintendo and Rare split, and look at Rare, it's a laughing stock now. And Nintendo really needed their magic with the 'Cube struggling in the console wars. Then again, THQ would probably hook up with TNA/NWA, I mean it isn't the first time they jumped licenses (1998's switch from WCW to WWF/E). Long story short, we'll still have quality wrestling games, just not of the WWE variety. Which is sad because THQ with AKI and Yukes as done more justice than WWE's telecast production in the last 3 years.

[Disturbed316]

Although EA done a great job with Def Jam, do you not remember how shit their WCW games were?

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Although EA done a great job with Def Jam, do you not remember how shit their WCW games were?
I quite liked Mayhem, but Backstage Assault was a bad concept from the start.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Also that was before they started working with AKI.

[Champion of Europa]

The lawsuit will not effect WWE games that are going into development in the future.

its on www.411wrestling.com

[Kalyx triaD]

Good, now I can wait for the new Jap-developed WWE game for XBox.

[VJW]

The graphics have improved a lot which is really cool. I can't wait to go through the season mode and I'm also looking forward to Bret Hart.

[SuperSlim]

I hated Def Jam.

I mean don't get me wrong the graphics were good and such but there is a certain feel when it comes to wrestling that the Def Jam series did not produce... and EA really does not look like a good wrestling developer. I would say they would be at least average.

When the jump was made from Acclaim to THQ things at the beginning looked bleak but still hopeful cause THQ did do wrestling games before. Now when you look at WWE games youthink THQ. Yeah I really wasn't thinkin Tecmo could do a great job I was just thinkin nice graphics. But anyway only time will tell in this situation. But if WWE loses THQ in this whole fiasco then you TNA is gonna pick them up and if TNA does then WWE will be missing quite a bit in the gaming world.

[Disturbed316]

IGN's Sport section has put up some "Classic" matches. It's Bret Hart vs HBK in an Ironman match, Undertaker vs Mankind in a Hell in a Cell match and The Rock vs Triple H in a Ladder match.

All three can be found here (http://sports.ign.com/articles/561/561404p1.html)

[BlackDawn2024]

I hated Def Jam.

I mean don't get me wrong the graphics were good and such but there is a certain feel when it comes to wrestling that the Def Jam series did not produce... and EA really does not look like a good wrestling developer. I would say they would be at least average.

:yes: :y:

Thank you. I hate that pathetic excuse for a "wrestling" game. Boy, would I have loved to have been a fly on the wall when that concept was pitched.

"It's a wrestling game, but...you play as rappers who all seem to think it's cool to rap about the same damn stuff, and all their god damn videos are the same. Doesn't that sound great?"

:roll:

[Azriel]

god, I'm playing Bret first chance I get.

[V]

ign's full review will be up from 8 - 8:30 pacific time, which i THINK is about 1.5 - 2 hours from now

[V]

damn, it only got an 8.4 on IGN!!

the reasons they stated were

-Online mode didn't have enough features
-Only 1 Backstage area
-Easy A.I.
-Season is more linear than last year
-No alternate attires
-No stat tracking in season
-Less wrestlers than in hctp

that's all i can remember.. it's a 5 page review

this game is still gonna kick ass, they were just really dissapointed with the online mode, if online mode wasn't there at all i'm pretty sure the game would have gotten at least 9

[Batsu]

-No alternate attires


This explains the reason why Kane/Masked Kane and Taker/Legend Undertaker are seperate characters. WACK!!!

I dunno. I'm not expecting more than a 8.9 out of this game, really...
and online really isn't all that important...but gameplay is.

The improved Royal Rumble looks promising.

[Batsu]

:yes: :y:

Thank you. I hate that pathetic excuse for a "wrestling" game. Boy, would I have loved to have been a fly on the wall when that concept was pitched.

"It's a wrestling game, but...you play as rappers who all seem to think it's cool to rap about the same damn stuff, and all their god damn videos are the same. Doesn't that sound great?"

:roll:

No more Zesta for you!

[V]

okay, i've made a more detailed list of all the negatives they said in the review, this is for people who dont' want to read an entire 5 page review to see why it did so bad

-online limitations (no official rankings, permanent online names, online titles, downloadable content)
-pre match challenges too frequent (when turned on)
-faulty weight detection (turnbuckle moves and specials that start on the ground, eg victoria's black widow)
-Easy A.I.
-Lacking Roster (compared to HCTP)
-Only 1 backstage area
-No Cruiserweight, Women's or Tag Team championships
-No stat tracking in season
-Season seems to be more linear, can't travel between matches
-No alternate attires (except for John Cena and 'one legend')
-Can't customize which guys are on each show in season
-Shorter Winning animations
-Bad Commentary and Voice overs
-No progressive scan and widescreen

[PorkSoda]

okay, i've made a more detailed list of all the negatives they said in the review, this is for people who dont' want to read an entire 5 page review to see why it did so bad

-online limitations (no official rankings, permanent online names, online titles, downloadable content)
-pre match challenges too frequent (when turned on)
-faulty weight detection (turnbuckle moves and specials that start on the ground, eg victoria's black widow)
-Easy A.I.
-Lacking Roster (compared to HCTP)
-Only 1 backstage area
-No Cruiserweight, Women's or Tag Team championships
-No stat tracking in season
-Season seems to be more linear, can't travel between matches
-No alternate attires (except for John Cena and 'one legend')
-Can't customize which guys are on each show in season
-Shorter Winning animations
-Bad Commentary and Voice overs
-No progressive scan and widescreen

The stat tracking and customizing which guys are on each show in HCTP was awesome, and why arnt they doing it here?

[PorkSoda]

I kind of see why with those reasons above. The stat tracking and customizing which wrestlers on each show in season was awesome. I dont see why they didnt add that

[Sephiroth]

Yeah, i'll still buy the game, but it's kinda fucked up if you compare it with HCTP.

Really hope they will do better next year...an online roster would have been cool...btw :-\

[SuperSlim]

I loved lookin at the stats. And the roster changin stuff. That was what amde that game complete for me. Created 20 wrestlers and one female star so that they can have their entire own show and then have 20 top stars reign on the other show. I loved it. BUt I liked the stats even more. Tryin to keep my people undefeated and stuff. Hope they have a history like you know results of past matches and stuff even though they took away stats.

Either way Tuesday mornin I'm walkin with that game.

[Disturbed316]

-Can't customize which guys are on each show in season


WHAT!? :rant: :mad: :rant:

That was the one thing that kept me playing through season mode the many times I did :mad:

[Disturbed316]

BTW Gamingring has a video up of the first 4 weeks of season mode. I'm tempted to watch it, but then I really dont want season mode spoiled.

[loopydate]

Normally, this is the time of year I hate being broke. But this year, I can definitely wait until Christmas for SvR.

[V]

BTW Gamingring has a video up of the first 4 weeks of season mode. I'm tempted to watch it, but then I really dont want season mode spoiled.

that's what i hate about gamingring, they spoil way too much, the guy's an idiot

[Loose Cannon]

Normally, this is the time of year I hate being broke. But this year, I can definitely wait until Christmas for SvR.

yea, I'm doing that too. I'm going to get all the WWE DVD's that are coming out/ came out first

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm seriously considering going to FuncoLand and cancelling my pre-order to hold out until Christmas as well so I can go buy GTA: SA instead.</font> :-\

[V]

is this all cuz of ign's review?

you have to keep in mind that that guys an online gaming mark, which is why the score is so low, wait for gamespot's review, if thats' low too then something's wrong