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Old 04-06-2015, 08:29 PM   #41
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Also I don't like how Raw doesn't have a proper theme/opening anymore.
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Old 04-06-2015, 08:30 PM   #42
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It has had just so for two or three months now.
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Old 04-06-2015, 08:34 PM   #43
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And how the commentators aren't definitively face/heel anymore. I LOVE JBL on commentary but he needs to be more definitively heelish and less complimentary of the babyfaces. When he does go full heel he goes to far and grinds Cole into the dirt. It leaves me with a "daddy just hit mommy" feeling and I don't think that's what they want.

Kind of on the same lines, beatdowns that go on forever and leave you feeling uncomfortable. Especially when the current authority figure is a babyface or neutral one. Chuck Palumbo beating the holy shit out of Jamie Noble comes to mind. It went on forever, was far too brutal, and to top it off I'm pretty sure it happened on Teddy Long's watch.
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Old 04-06-2015, 08:34 PM   #44
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It has had just so for two or three months now.
I know I've been watching infrequently lately so maybe I've just been missing it. Glad they fixed that then.
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Old 04-06-2015, 08:58 PM   #45
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NXT crowd never did "We are awesome"
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:13 PM   #46
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when the champ loses a non title match. That's just dumb.
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:13 PM   #47
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The lack of meaningful promos. Most promos are the same handful of people saying the same bullshit. I know my hero, Triple H, is one of the worst offenders. Then they don't know why other guys don't develop mic skills when they never promo or if they do its cardboard scripted bullshit or paint by numbers promo from a can horse shit.
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:39 PM   #48
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For sure the 20 minute opening promos. Most sitcoms are shorter than RAW openings, and they progress stories and characters in the same time HHH, Steph, and Rollins finish monologueing.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:20 PM   #49
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Oh. Non-wrestling fans insisting on smugly telling you wrestling is fake.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:21 PM   #50
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The hyperbole for grinding into us that a finisher is supposed to be the most lethal thing known to man, when thousands of wrestlers have been using said move as a transition in matches for 50+ years.

ie - anyone else on earth does a Camel Clutch, and the announcers react with all the urgency of reading a soggy phonebook. fucking Rusev does so much as look at the back of somebody's neck, and it's all about shrieking "ACCOLADE! ACCOOOOLAAAAADE! NO MAN CAN ESCAPE! HE'S GOING TO BE IN THE HOSPITAL FOR 2 YEARS AND CRIPPLED FOR LIFE AFTER THAT!!! ACCOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAADE!!!! ASDFGIFLHIBBLE" for 10 goddamn minutes straight.

"Oh my god, Seth Rollins just ran to the ropes - CUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRB SSSSSSSSTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOMMMMMMMMPPPPPP!!! *sound of Michael Cole jizzing himself*"
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:44 PM   #51
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Fans who try and get themselves over with retarded chants (NXT crowds).
This 100p. Distracts from the show when the crowd is chanting who the hell knows what through entire matches.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:49 PM   #52
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The hyperbole for grinding into us that a finisher is supposed to be the most lethal thing known to man, when thousands of wrestlers have been using said move as a transition in matches for 50+ years.
Anytime a move gets a name, it becomes devastating (Sweet Chin Music, Accolade, etc).
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Old 04-07-2015, 06:44 AM   #53
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• Theme Music : Why can't someone come out with their theme music playing ?

• Never crossing paths :The bad guy and the good guy who hate each other just came out of the same entrance and made their way to the ring instead of beating the shit out of each other in the back

• Ladder matches : these fuckers run around at lightning speed but climb a ladder at a snails pace.

• Lets catch him :The very obvious positioning of the guys on the outside when guy is about to dive from the turnbuckle

• 619 setup : how people always seem to get set up hanging on the second top for 619

• HHH : HHH beating every legend and superstar to stroke his ego

• not grape-vining the leg except on the finish
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Old 04-07-2015, 06:57 AM   #54
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Sounds like you would better enjoy MMA - where things are less of a work, but still a work.
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Old 04-07-2015, 07:51 AM   #55
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Cesaro, Neville and going way back Snitsky; why don't they have first names in the WWE? Imagine instead of Stone Cold Steve Austin, he was just Cold Austin. That sounds like a weather report from last nights Raw location. Or instead of Mankind, he was simply Kind. Big difference.

Why don't they have name for teams they just throw together? Cesaro and Tyson Kidd...yawn. They should be known as The Swing Kidds.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:07 AM   #56
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:33 AM   #57
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Man I hate that. Why did Seth hitting Roman and Dean with a chair zap him of all his courage? Same with Punk, a clothesline to the Rock completely altered his character.
Or like sheamus last night.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:42 AM   #58
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Finishers that dont look painful at all. AA, Angle Slam, sister Abigaile, any punch ect
The rule that says every match must be won by that wrestlers finishing move. How about winning without the trade mark finish.
This goes along with the finishers, why use a submission like a Boston crab or abdominal stretch when there is no way that will end the match....or even get sold.
Overall lack of selling-see Cena
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I bet Rusev could make you tap if he applied the boston crab.
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:42 AM   #60
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Old 04-08-2015, 12:20 PM   #61
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Retcons. You can't promote Edge & Christian as brothers for the best part of a decade, then change it to "best friends" whenever you feel like it.

Distraction Finishes. Guy in control of match, his long term opponent's music hits, guy gets distracted, rolled up for the pin.

Cage Matches. Specifically those that can be won by exiting the cage. You put two guys into a cage for them to fight it out and the winner is the guy who runs away!?
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Forgot one;

They have 3 hours of Raw every week and we still only get the same handful of guys featured. The fact that Ryback, Reigns, and Orton each wrestled twice on Monday is ridiculous. Wouldn't that time have been better served highlighting some other guys?
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This podcast is going to be a blast, btw. Really looking forward to hearing the panel's take on these things.
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Old 04-09-2015, 03:43 PM   #64
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Another pet peeve is when a pet pees. See the hell in a kennel match.
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Old 04-09-2015, 03:54 PM   #65
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-"This is awesome" chants. A false finish doesn't make a match "awesome".
It does when your expectations on matches you're seeing have been lowered to the point that it does.

Semi-related: The Young Bucks. I'm not one who outright bashes talent often (personal dislike of talent like boring-ass Rusev or Chris Masters isn't exactly the same as shitting on them wholesale), but these spot monkey knockoff Hardy Boyz epitomize the dim view that critics of indy wrestling speak of. Yeah, people are popping for 800 flips per match, but that doesn't make Jim Cornette "wrong". Throwing a bunch of highspots with no match flow, no storytelling reason, and half the spots could be finishes that are just thrown away ultimately benefits nobody in the long run. Short term pops, long view of injury risk for everyone involved. Every match I have ever seen of them, even on regular TNA tv, were trainwrecks.

The difference between them and people like, say, Daniel Bryan is such: DB is good at what he does, and people go "it's not his fault he didn't grow a foot taller! He's good at what he does, and it would be nice if he got recognition for his talent", The YB's, on the other hand, are just popular. POPULAR DOESN'T ALWAYS EQUATE TO GOOD! They're not necessarily good at what they do. They have fresh faces all the girls want to sit on, do shit in matches to get all the attention on mostly them, and have teamed up with the Neo nWo for a proxy rub. These guys in action are why smarks cringe at the thought of Devitt or KENTA in a WWE ring when it was first announced. Its why Kalisto and Kofi won't be much outside of a high octane tag partner. As good as his call up has been so far, it is why I don't expect much from Neville's main roster run... the negative stigma of the "high flyer" is too great. And those two dickheads either are blind to the fact they aren't helping, or just too arrogant to give a shit.
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they're actually very self aware of the shit people say about them and almost relish in it. Their finisher is called the Meltzer Driver ffs and they have a bunch t-shirts ribbing on the amount of superkicks they use. I'm not a fan of them but I love the fact they're basically like "lol yeah, fuck you".
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they're actually very self aware of the shit people say about them and almost relish in it. Their finisher is called the Meltzer Driver ffs and they have a bunch t-shirts ribbing on the amount of superkicks they use. I'm not a fan of them but I love the fact they're basically like "lol yeah, fuck you".
This actually makes it worse. While admirable they're taking the piss, it still doesn't help other high flyers. At all. They might as well just trio tag with Teddy Hart and become 100% toxic in every way.
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50p maybe. As I said, I'm not a fan but they've improved, almost look like wrestlers nowadays, their matches are a hell of a lot more bearable than they were 5 years ago, nowhere near half the spots could be finishes, not sure what the DB and girl parts/most of the second paragraph are. I would guess he/Tom probably hasn't seen much of The Young Bucks outside of their TNA run god knows how long ago and some clips online.
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they're actually pretty good heels but I still can't decide if they're just really naturally unlikeable/punchable or if they're just good at drawing that reaction. Either way it works.
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they're actually pretty good heels but I still can't decide if they're just really naturally unlikeable/punchable or if they're just good at drawing that reaction. Either way it works.
Being good at being heels and their matches being "clusterfucky" have nothing to do with one another. Hell, people always crap on Vince Russo's booking, but he was a marvelous, natural onscreen heel. See how that didn't change the perception of his booking?

They may have "toned it down", but their matches are still a wasteful shitshow of "let me get my shit in", even with them just doing some spots "for the lulz".
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It has had just so for two or three months now.
Seems to depend on where you are.

If i am in front of a tv, and flip to USA, more often than not, I see a cold open with the crowd and pyro. If I hit up a stream (that isn't of the USA network feed) the theme is always intact.
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I forgot one/another one;

Gimmick PPVs.

Hate that gimmick matches like Hell In A Cell have been run into the ground. Matches that should be pulled out of the bag to settle serious feuds now happen because it's October and we have to shoe-horn matches into the gimmick. It's backwards, and it's annoying.

TLC is the worst. A Ladder match, Tables match, and a TLC match on one card is redundant. Let's not even touch on Chairs matches, and worse still, Stairs matches.
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Being good at being heels and their matches being "clusterfucky" have nothing to do with one another. Hell, people always crap on Vince Russo's booking, but he was a marvelous, natural onscreen heel. See how that didn't change the perception of his booking?

They may have "toned it down", but their matches are still a wasteful shitshow of "let me get my shit in", even with them just doing some spots "for the lulz".
my mentioning of them being good heels had nothing to do with you or your comments smart guy, it was an observation quite obviously linked to my previous comment. How did you even come to that conclusion?
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The lack of back stories behind most of the stars especially the tag teams and divas

The lack of storylines for the mid and lower card stars.

The shoddy transition from NXT To WWE.

The stars they just let slip through to other federations
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When an evil bastard of a heel turns face and completely changes his personality.

Sheamus is the offender that sticks out in my mind, but it happens all the time. He went from this badass, celtic warrior, to Al Roker, with no explanation whatsoever. Like, did he find Jesus or something?

Most face turns occur when a heel starts to get over, and then he challenges another heel. So just because he's got beef with another dude, he has to act like a baby kissing goof? No, that doesn't make sense.

Heels should do a better job of transitioning their character into a face. And vice versa. I equally hate when you have a badass face who doesn't take shit from anyone, and takes beatdowns in stride, then he turns heel and all of a sudden he's a giant coward.
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