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Old 11-18-2015, 08:27 PM   #1
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Look what it did for Batista though, a sub-par talent was put over cleanly at 3 consecutive PPVs by Raws top dog and he was set for the rest of his career.
Because Batista was really talented, so HHH identified that and put him over multiple times. I suppose he did something wrong there though too.

Booker T and RVD were not on Batista's level.
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Old 11-18-2015, 08:30 PM   #2
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Booker T and RVD were not on Batista's level.
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Old 11-18-2015, 08:34 PM   #3
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Oh wow.
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Old 11-18-2015, 08:57 PM   #4
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Not so much with RVD with Booker YES and its not like he could not have been built up to that level he was talented and over the Triple-H stuff cut the legs out from under him (in a pretty despicable way even if it is just wrestling)

Batista is only "Above Booker's level because the company got behind him and pushed as a huge deal. Booker had it all over Batista he could talk as a heel or face (Batista only hit his stride as a heel) he was Athletic and had a nice look to him. Theres a Wrestle crap entry that talks about the HHH Booker thing way better than I can that said Booker definitely should have beaten HHH even James Steele will fully admit this.

Saying Batista has it over Booker to me is like saying Nikki Bella has it over Sasha Banks.

When the company gets behind you and wants you to be the guy you really can't lose barring a colossal fuck-up. Look at Roman he's gonna be the man whether you like it or not. Is he better than Ambrose fuck no, but he's the guy the company wants.
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:33 PM   #5
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Not so much with RVD with Booker YES and its not like he could not have been built up to that level he was talented and over the Triple-H stuff cut the legs out from under him (in a pretty despicable way even if it is just wrestling)

Batista is only "Above Booker's level because the company got behind him and pushed as a huge deal. Booker had it all over Batista he could talk as a heel or face (Batista only hit his stride as a heel) he was Athletic and had a nice look to him. Theres a Wrestle crap entry that talks about the HHH Booker thing way better than I can that said Booker definitely should have beaten HHH even James Steele will fully admit this.

Saying Batista has it over Booker to me is like saying Nikki Bella has it over Sasha Banks.

When the company gets behind you and wants you to be the guy you really can't lose barring a colossal fuck-up. Look at Roman he's gonna be the man whether you like it or not. Is he better than Ambrose fuck no, but he's the guy the company wants.
Nah. Lots of guys were pushed to the moon, but just failed. Lex Luger comes to mind.

I like Booker T, probably sounds like I dont. I just think he's a solid hand, but doesnt have the "it" factor to be the guy. He could have been world champion, and I dont think he would have killed business or anything, but I dont think he would have helped.

Batista has a presence about him, that you just cant teach. Its probably why he's blowing up in Hollywood. The WWE may have made him a big star, but they are not making him a star in Hollywood, he's doing that because he understands how to present himself as a star, and understand how to dominate the screen. He doesnt say very much in the Bond movie, but he's presence is amazing.
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:50 PM   #6
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Nah. Lots of guys were pushed to the moon, but just failed. Lex Luger comes to mind.

I like Booker T, probably sounds like I dont. I just think he's a solid hand, but doesnt have the "it" factor to be the guy. He could have been world champion, and I dont think he would have killed business or anything, but I dont think he would have helped.

Batista has a presence about him, that you just cant teach. Its probably why he's blowing up in Hollywood. The WWE may have made him a big star, but they are not making him a star in Hollywood, he's doing that because he understands how to present himself as a star, and understand how to dominate the screen. He doesnt say very much in the Bond movie, but he's presence is amazing.
HHH doesn't have the it factor to be "the guy".
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:55 PM   #7
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Nah. Lots of guys were pushed to the moon, but just failed. Lex Luger comes to mind.

I like Booker T, probably sounds like I dont. I just think he's a solid hand, but doesnt have the "it" factor to be the guy. He could have been world champion, and I dont think he would have killed business or anything, but I dont think he would have helped.

Batista has a presence about him, that you just cant teach. Its probably why he's blowing up in Hollywood. The WWE may have made him a big star, but they are not making him a star in Hollywood, he's doing that because he understands how to present himself as a star, and understand how to dominate the screen. He doesnt say very much in the Bond movie, but he's presence is amazing.
I wonder is it the same intangible "it factor" that I've argued Daniel Bryan has and other people seemed to think Bret Hart had.

About booker T tho, if you never give the guy the ball how do you know he can't run with it? DB,Seth(in Seths case it was more the fans) and recently especially The New Day could have all easily been afterthoughts lost in the shuffle but They turned out to be phenomenal when they were given the chance to shine. (Bryans bad luck notwithstanding)
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:52 AM   #8
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I wonder is it the same intangible "it factor" that I've argued Daniel Bryan has and other people seemed to think Bret Hart had.

About booker T tho, if you never give the guy the ball how do you know he can't run with it? DB,Seth(in Seths case it was more the fans) and recently especially The New Day could have all easily been afterthoughts lost in the shuffle but They turned out to be phenomenal when they were given the chance to shine. (Bryans bad luck notwithstanding)
My thing was I feel like Hunter as a viscous heel and could only put over so many guys clean before he loses his credibility. Booker T to me just simply wasn't the right guy, neither was RVD, neither was Kane. Goldberg made sense, Benoit was out of left field but kudos to H for doing it, and Batista was clearly the right guy.

It just comes down to how highly do you rate Booker T in this example. I just don't think he was worthy of the spot and having him beat HHH was a bad call long term.
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Old 11-18-2015, 08:39 PM   #10
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Booker T and RVD were not on Batista's level.
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Because Batista was really talented, so HHH identified that and put him over multiple times. I suppose he did something wrong there though too.
HHH didn't do anything wrong but at the time Batista's mic skills were pretty awful.
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