NHL 2010-2011 Season Thread

[Gertner]

What exactly have the Canucks ever won? Just curious.

[KleptoKlown]

Head to head battle...Mario>Wayne

[Gertner]

Yeah, thanks for dodging the question. And who the hell plays one on one hockey. That's just stupid. Gretzky has more goal, assists, points, awards and cups.

[KleptoKlown]

What exactly have the Canucks ever won? Just curious.

I love when fans use that tired old excuse.

The Leafs last won a cup before man even went to the moon. There were 6 teams in the NHL then. Its like the CFL now...pretty much everyone takes turns. It means nothing.

For the last 20 years its been a lot more enjoyable to be a Canucks fan then Leafs fan.

[KleptoKlown]

Yeah, thanks for dodging the question. And who the hell plays one on one hockey. That's just stupid. Gretzky has more goal, assists, points, awards and cups.

Im not saying 1-1 im saying you put those 2 head to head, say even the exact same all time teams, the only difference is at center...one is mario, one is wayne.

Mario's team wins.

[Gertner]

Exactly. The Canucks have won nothing. Talk shit when they actually accomplish something other than choking against the Hawks like they do every year.

[Lara Emily]

What exactly have the Canucks ever won? Just curious.

The Clarence S. Campbell Bowl twice (Means they've been to the finals twice), both post 67, so what have the Leafs won since 67, oh yeah fuck nothing.

[Lara Emily]

Yeah, thanks for dodging the question. And who the hell plays one on one hockey. That's just stupid. Gretzky has more goal, assists, points, awards and cups.

Hence why I conceded greater career but stats aren't the be all end all to the discussion.

Greater career does not mean greater skill

[Gertner]

Im not saying 1-1 im saying you put those 2 head to head, say even the exact same all time teams, the only difference is at center...one is mario, one is wayne.

Mario's team wins.

Absolutely not.

[KleptoKlown]

The Habs are the only team to win anything since neon clothing and men with perms or mullets were in style.

Even then, thats 16-17 years ago.

Canucks are the best chance, and will be for the next few years.

[KleptoKlown]

Exactly. The Canucks have won nothing. Talk shit when they actually accomplish something other than choking against the Hawks like they do every year.

A winning team before you were born doesn't entitle you to talk any shit either.

How am I talking shit anyway? Your team has been one of the worst teams over the last decade.

That's stating a fact, not shit talking.

[Lara Emily]

The Habs are the only team to win anything since neon clothing and men with perms or mullets were in style.

Even then, thats 16-17 years ago.

Canucks are the best chance, and will be for the next few years.

Once my Pens are out (IE without Crosby out in the first in 5) Canucks have my total support. Got to root for my new practically home town team (gonna be living in Surrey in a week)

Total random note fuck am I lucky I've seen my team win the cup 3 times in my life.

[El Fangel]

I love Gertner talking shit, I really do AND as a fan of a team who has not made the playoffs in 4, soon to be 5, years. Of all teams he IS talking shit about its the team who is in 1st, with a guarenteed playoff birth, last years Hart and Ross trophy winners and likely this years as well. A 2nd (YEAH 2ND) line center whose only reason he doesnt have a Selke trophy is because of a guy named Datsyuk and was in Hart trophy discussions HIMSELF.

But yeah, talk shit about another team when yours features a waiverwire pickup, a Montreal Canadiens castoff (actually two if you didnt trade him to Anaheim) a "C" on a player to make him happy and who the entire Toronto fanbase assumed would be the equivilant of Bobby Orr.

You have a teams backup goalie making 6 million a year, a Free agent goalie signing whose heart is giving him trouble and a rookie goalie who is playing good left over from the Ferguson years.

If Toronto would have been the least bit competent, then perhaps they wouldnt have had to sign Gustavsson or Giguere and could have had Reimer play instead.

Their scouting staff has been utter shit, since well forever. This is the team that let, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky and Martin Brodeur slip through their fingertips.

Take into account the Canucks have been in the league since 1970 and you are saying what have they done? Well, it would be nice if Toronto had done something either.

And lastly, LASTLY and Im sure you will love this.

Sundin left to go to a cup contender, where did he leave and where did he go?

[KleptoKlown]

Once my Pens are out (IE without Crosby out in the first in 5) Canucks have my total support. Got to root for my new practically home town team (gonna be living in Surrey in a week)

Total random note fuck am I lucky I've seen my team win the cup 3 times in my life.

Considering other fans have lived and died without seeing there team win yeah...lucky as fuck for sure.

Careful in Surrey, especially around Surrey Central skytrain station...police usually have a car just sitting there watching, but once you get out of that general hub/community center towards king george/...its sketchy.

[KleptoKlown]

And lastly, LASTLY and Im sure you will love this.

Sundin left to go to a cup contender, where did he leave and where did he go?

I actually consider the Sundin signing to be a failure. Not Messier bad, but bad enough that 10 mill would have been better spent on 1 good player and some depth players.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, I remember the 93 playoffs but only just barely. I was 7 years old.

After Habs are put out, I normally will root for any Canadian team that is left sans Leafs.

[KleptoKlown]

The only team I would cheer for the Leafs over is the Rangers.

Pretty sad as I consider myself a proud Canadian. It's not the team that I want to lose...it's seeing the cocky fans suffer.

[El Fangel]

I actually consider the Sundin signing to be a failure. Not Messier bad, but bad enough that 10 mill would have been better spent on 1 good player and some depth players.

Oh. No doubt it was a failure but the fact the best player on the Leafs, the captain and the heart and soul...left to go to Vancouver.

The only team I would cheer for the Leafs over is the Rangers.

Pretty sad as I consider myself a proud Canadian. It's not the team that I want to lose...it's seeing the cocky fans suffer.

What are Rangers fans cocky about? Gaborik?

[Gertner]

I love Gertner talking shit, I really do AND as a fan of a team who has not made the playoffs in 4, soon to be 5, years. Of all teams he IS talking shit about its the team who is in 1st, with a guarenteed playoff birth, last years Hart and Ross trophy winners and likely this years as well. A 2nd (YEAH 2ND) line center whose only reason he doesnt have a Selke trophy is because of a guy named Datsyuk and was in Hart trophy discussions HIMSELF.

But yeah, talk shit about another team when yours features a waiverwire pickup, a Montreal Canadiens castoff (actually two if you didnt trade him to Anaheim) a "C" on a player to make him happy and who the entire Toronto fanbase assumed would be the equivilant of Bobby Orr.

You have a teams backup goalie making 6 million a year, a Free agent goalie signing whose heart is giving him trouble and a rookie goalie who is playing good left over from the Ferguson years.

If Toronto would have been the least bit competent, then perhaps they wouldnt have had to sign Gustavsson or Giguere and could have had Reimer play instead.

Their scouting staff has been utter shit, since well forever. This is the team that let, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky and Martin Brodeur slip through their fingertips.

Take into account the Canucks have been in the league since 1970 and you are saying what have they done? Well, it would be nice if Toronto had done something either.

And lastly, LASTLY and Im sure you will love this.

Sundin left to go to a cup contender, where did he leave and where did he go?

The Leas traded away Jason Blake whose contract was a MAJOR headache for Giguere. Giguere replaced Toskala. Giggy's contract is up this year. I don't consider that a bad move at all.

NOBODY anticipated the rise of Reimer, considering he was in the ECHL not that long ago.

Phaneuf has been tremendous since the trade of Kaberle and being finally paired with a stay at home defenceman in Keith Aulie.

The Leafs sent a 2nd round pick for a player who has more goals than any player on the Habs.

Who is this "waiver wire pick up" you speak of? MacArthur was a free agent signing.

Honestly, unless your team wins the CUP, making the finals means nothing to me. I won't be satisfied until the Leafs win the cup. Finishing 2nd is worthless.

And Sundin left as a free agent. Players leave all the time. Too bad that shithead and the rest of the Muskoka 5 wouldn't waive their damn no trade clauses.

The Leafs are going to have I believe 26 million to spend this off -season. Reimer will probably get 1.4-1.8 million, three years. MacArthur and Schenn are both free agents and I hope Clarke comes back. The Leafs have 5 of their 6 defencemen set for next year and really just need a puck moving d man (Aulie, Gunnerson, Schenn, Phaneuf and ugh Komisarek). Hopefully they get a top 6 center so Bozak isn't playing out of position anymore. A third line of Armstrong-Bozak-either Crabb or free agent isn't bad.
Brown-Brent who has been a nice surprise and Orr is a good forechecking 4th line. They really just need a center. Kadri is not the answer and should never take another faceoff again. They are in a FAR better position than 2 years ago.

[KleptoKlown]

Oh. No doubt it was a failure but the fact the best player on the Leafs, the captain and the heart and soul...left to go to Vancouver.



What are Rangers fans cocky about? Gaborik?

I'm still pissed about 94

The best part about Sundin is his refusal to waive his no trade clause....Leafs got bupkiss for him. I was hoping Kaberle did the same...oh well.

[Gertner]

Oh. No doubt it was a failure but the fact the best player on the Leafs, the captain and the heart and soul...left to go to Vancouver.



What are Rangers fans cocky about? Gaborik?

I consider Flyers fans worse than Rangers fans.

[Gertner]

I'm still pissed about 94

The best part about Sundin is his refusal to waive his no trade clause....Leafs got bupkiss for him. I was hoping Kaberle did the same...oh well.

Thank God Burke was patient. He got a pretty good return. Hopefully Boston re-signs him or makes the finals as it kicks in the conditional 2nd rounder.

[Gertner]

I don't even hate the Canucks. I picked them at the start of the year to meet the Bruins in the finals.

[KleptoKlown]

The Leas traded away Jason Blake whose contract was a MAJOR headache for Giguere. Giguere replaced Toskala. Giggy's contract is up this year. I don't consider that a bad move at all.

NOBODY anticipated the rise of Reimer, considering he was in the ECHL not that long ago.

Phaneuf has been tremendous since the trade of Kaberle and being finally paired with a stay at home defenceman in Keith Aulie.

The Leafs sent a 2nd round pick for a player who has more goals than any player on the Habs.

Who is this "waiver wire pick up" you speak of? MacArthur was a free agent signing.

Honestly, unless your team wins the CUP, making the finals means nothing to me. I won't be satisfied until the Leafs win the cup. Finishing 2nd is worthless.

And Sundin left as a free agent. Players leave all the time. Too bad that shithead and the rest of the Muskoka 5 wouldn't waive their damn no trade clauses.

The Leafs are going to have I believe 26 million to spend this off -season. Reimer will probably get 1.4-1.8 million, three years. MacArthur and Schenn are both free agents and I hope Clarke comes back. The Leafs have 5 of their 6 defencemen set for next year and really just need a puck moving d man (Aulie, Gunnerson, Schenn, Phaneuf and ugh Komisarek). Hopefully they get a top 6 center so Bozak isn't playing out of position anymore. A third line of Armstrong-Bozak-either Crabb or free agent isn't bad.
Brown-Brent who has been a nice surprise and Orr is a good forechecking 4th line. They really just need a center. Kadri is not the answer and should never take another faceoff again. They are in a FAR better position than 2 years ago.

Brad Richards and Phil Kessel could be scary.

Reimer will get extended 1 or 2 years at less than 2 mill to see if he's the real deal or a 1 hit wonder. If he turns out to be what he's showing, he signs the big money contract 2 years from now. You're right about no one predicting the rise of Reimer...including other teams. This off season, teams will pay more attention to him, watch tapes, learn his move better. There will be a more complete book on him. How he responds is unknown, but that will be the difference between at least competing for a playoff spot...or a lottery pick.

MaCarthur is a RFA isnt he? Burke won't let him walk unless he gets a Dustin Penner type offer...which he wont.

I'm not going to say Kadri is a bust...but he's not the future.

Maybe a playoff team next year(NJ for sure will also step it up) but still a long way to go before the Leafs can be considered a contender.

[KleptoKlown]

Thank God Burke was patient. He got a pretty good return. Hopefully Boston re-signs him or makes the finals as it kicks in the conditional 2nd rounder.

I don't know how Burke does it...Maybe Chiarelli felt sorry for him, because he didn't need to give up what he did.

[Gertner]

MacArthur I believe is an RFA, but then again MacArthur was last year and he ended up here.

I truly believe the Leafs would be better off dealing Kadri for an established player. I don't see how Kadri fits here

Let's say for arguement sake the Lefs bring back MacArthur. They'd be foolish to spilt his line up

So you have Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur

Then you have Lupul-Whoever the Leafs get-Kessel

Kadri is not suitable in a third line role. He's not strong enough in his own end, and I think Bozak would excel there. He's played very well on a pk unit with Armstrong

So the Leafs third line would be Armstrong-Bozak- with an open spot, unless they plan on putting Joey Crabb there who has played ok, but I could see that spot being taken by a bottom 6 winger with size.

The 4th line is pretty much set with Brown-Brent and Orr

I don't see a spot for Kadri on this team.

[Sean]

Even though a lot of my all time favorite players were Bruins. I'd cheer for the Habs in that series. Been a long time since Canada has won a cup...bet some posters on here were not even born yet...Canucks are the best chance in a long time I think, but still, it looks like Montreal is going to be the only other Canadian team.What? Is 17 years really that long? I guess it has been a 'long' time by the standards they had set prior but when US teams outnumber Canadian ones like 4 to 1 they're bound to win more. And you have to take into account how great the Red Wings have been over the past 20 years so that basically negates the ability for the western Canadian teams' ability to win.

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This whole Gretzky/Lemieux discussion is absurd. 99 is retired league wide for a reason; the Hockey Hall of Fame stopped waiving the waiting period (outside of humanitarian reasons) after Gretzky's retirement. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest hockey player ever. The only other player who's even in the discussion is Bobby Orr and even then it's generally B's fans who throw his name out there.

[KleptoKlown]

Burke does have his magical moments...

Getting the draft pick that turned into H Sedin for Brian McCabe :lol:

Getting Pronger for Lupul and picks(not sure who those picks turned into though

Phanuef and Aulie for spare change and an over achieving White.

[Gertner]

There's people who argue that Orr isn't even the best defenceman of all time. Those people are generally Wings fans who think Lidstrom is better. Lidstrom is in the discussion. Top 3 in my book behind Orr and Doug Harvey and slightly ahead of Dennis Potvin.

[KleptoKlown]

What? Is 17 years really that long? I guess it has been a 'long' time by the standards they had set prior but when US teams outnumber Canadian ones like 4 to 1 they're bound to win more. And you have to take into account how great the Red Wings have been over the past 20 years so that basically negates the ability for the western Canadian teams' ability to win.

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This whole Gretzky/Lemieux discussion is absurd. 99 is retired league wide for a reason; the Hockey Hall of Fame stopped waiving the waiting period (outside of humanitarian reasons) after Gretzky's retirement. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest hockey player ever. The only other player who's even in the discussion is Bobby Orr and even then it's generally B's fans who throw his name out there.

17 years is a long time for Canada, not just the Habs.

[Sean]

I do think Lindstrom is in the discussion for best defencemen ever, if only for how long he's played at such a high level. Then obviously you have all his success on both the team & individual level.

Orr's gotta be #1 though. Changed the way defencemen played and was the linchpin for one of the greatest teams hockey's ever seen. Not to mention he's scored the most famous goal in the history of the league.

[El Fangel]

There's people who argue that Orr isn't even the best defenceman of all time. Those people are generally Wings fans who think Lidstrom is better. Lidstrom is in the discussion. Top 3 in my book behind Orr and Doug Harvey and slightly ahead of Dennis Potvin.

Bourque?

[Gertner]

I believe Edmonton traded one of those picks and selected Smid with the other.

[Gertner]

I have Bourque behind Dennis Potvin.

[Gertner]

Potvin could score and is one of the best open ice hitters in history.

[Sean]

17 years is a long time for Canada, not just the Habs.The established standard of winning was rooted in the exclusivity right to players that existed before the draft and the carryover even after. With more teams in the USA the success was bound to diminish.

[Gertner]

Watching Caps vs Sens tonight.

Looks like King and Hendricks are in for the Caps and Neil and Lessard are in for the Sens so his should be good for a couple scraps.

[Gertner]

Gretzky did an interview today on TSN. One thing that he said that surprised me was stating that the instigator rule should be eliminated.

I 1000000000% agree with this. I know people would thing this would lead to more fights, but Matthew Barnaby stated that he was a little less brave when he ad to answer to Doug Brown and Bob Probert. Lol if a former shithead like Barnaby states this than it has some validity.

Anybody catch the Komisarek hit on Mark Olver? I feared that it would lead to a suspension and I was ready to just give on on this league. Glad he didn't.

[KleptoKlown]

Yeah I saw that interview. He is right. Try it for a year, then re-evaluate.

[Gertner]

It'd eliminate fake tough guys like Cooke and company running around without a care in the world. I'm sure if Cooke had to answer to Boogs he wouldn't be running around. I'd re-instate the third man in rule as well to keep from it become a line brawl so it wouldn't get out of control. Plus, maybe my boy Belak would come out of retirement lol.

[Gertner]

Gretzky NEVER got run and there was a reason: Semenko would kick their asses.

[LoDownM]

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This whole Gretzky/Lemieux discussion is absurd. 99 is retired league wide for a reason; the Hockey Hall of Fame stopped waiving the waiting period (outside of humanitarian reasons) after Gretzky's retirement. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest hockey player ever. The only other player who's even in the discussion is Bobby Orr and even then it's generally B's fans who throw his name out there.


Going to be a waste to argue a "what if" and I'll probably be called a "Pens Fanboy" but, Gretzky also played 570ish more games then Lemieux did. Not trying to say Gretzky's records are just because he played more games or anything like that, but had Lemieux played 570 more games and kept playing at the level he had been in the 90s, 66 might be retired league wide too.



Off topic but talking about the hall of fame reminds me that I hate myself for not going to the Hall of Fame when I was in Toronto 5 years ago.

[El Fangel]

Ill agree with LDM.

I am not saying either one was better, however I will say that Lemeiux was the only one who could potentially have been AS good if not BETTER then Gretzky.

[Emperor Smeat]

Gretzky was pretty crazy when it came to assists since his career assists alone were more than Lemeiux career goals and assists combined for the regular season.

Lemeiux does have one record Gretzky can't get anytime soon and that is Stanely Cup winner as both a player and in management (coach/GM/owner).

[El Fangel]

Lemeiux also was the first and only to score every type of goal in one game

Even, Short, PP, Penalty Shot and Empty Net.

[Lara Emily]

James Neal with a great Shootout goal, just absolutely outwaited Brodeur, Pens win! Within 2 of the Flyers and I believe clinched a playoff birth

[El Fangel]

That was a fucking great game.

[El Fangel]

Bobby Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!

[KleptoKlown]

Wow, Canucks beat a 10 man Thrashers team tonight.

6 wearing Thrashers jerseys, 4 wearing black and white stripes.

I don't usually bitch about the ref, because things tend to even out throughout the game...bad call going both ways. Tonight was just horrible.

[KleptoKlown]

Habs need to get there shit together...pronto.

[Gertner]

Ugh, that Leafs vs Wings game was just a mess. Not a very good game for both sides.

[KleptoKlown]

Good God I hate Scott Oak.

Asks stupid questions, indirectly insults the Flames as he's interviewing Iginla, brings up personal stats during a 60 second interview, but doesnt ask a question about it...fucking moron is only out done by the other fucking morons who continue to sign his pay cheque.

In fact, the whole CBC announcer squad other than Jim Hughson. Mark Lee and Kevin Weekes are horrible for the late show.

Intermission squad are great with Mclean, Milbury, Hrudey..and im even starting to like PJ Stock even though he stated out slow.

[Gertner]

I HATE Mark Lee. He's gotten better, but he's still bad.

[KleptoKlown]

Ugh, that Leafs vs Wings game was just a mess. Not a very good game for both sides.

That was a nothing game for the Wings though....no idea why MacDonald didnt start that game in the first place.

Leafs fans do have some positives this year though...Riemer gives hope...and atleast you didnt give up 2 lottery picks for Kessel.

[KleptoKlown]

4-1 Oilers a few minutes after the 3rd starts...Even in 10th place this Flames team is over achieving.

[Gertner]

Toronto's power play is a mess. They really need a puck moving d man in the off season.

[KleptoKlown]

Trust in Burke (and Nonis.)

Sure he's made some bad moves(Byrgzolov or whatever the spelling)...said some stupid things...

But he gets results.

If not for Burke and Nonis...this Canucks team would not exist. I'd hate to think were they would be if Keenan was still running the show. Burke did inherit an already great Ducks team from Brian Murray...but Burke added the final pieces to win the cup.

Can't say the Leafs should be taken seriously anytime soon...but they're a hell of a lot better from the JFJ days.

[Gertner]

Kevin Weekes I have no use for. You'd really think a huge company like CBC could hire better broadcasters for the late games.

[Gertner]

Trust in Burke (and Nonis.)

Sure he's made some bad moves(Byrgzolov or whatever the spelling)...said some stupid things...

But he gets results.

If not for Burke and Nonis...this Canucks team would not exist. I'd hate to think were they would be if Keenan was still running the show. Burke did inherit an already great Ducks team from Brian Murray...but Burke added the final pieces to win the cup.

Can't say the Leafs should be taken seriously anytime soon...but they're a hell of a lot better from the JFJ days.

The Ducks also had Hiller and Giguere, the latter at the time was an excellent goaltender and Hiller isn't too shabby. Hiller is a top 5 goaltender in my opinion.

[KleptoKlown]

The Ducks also had Hiller and Giguere, the latter at the time was an excellent goaltender and Hiller isn't too shabby. Hiller is a top 5 goaltender in my opinion.

Up until this years all star game, Hiller is absolutely a top 5 goalie. Vertigo...wtf?

I know Byrgzalov was traded because Burke promised to let him try to become a number 1 elsewhere...but waivers? Atleast get a a late round pick...

Burke is loyal to his players...to a fault.

He stood behind Bertuzzi over that Steve Moore incident...even though Bertuzzi probably should have been thrown to the wolves.

In the long term, giving away Byrgzalov hurt the Ducks.
In the long term, giving up 2 1st rounders will hurt the Leafs.

So he will make regrettable moves...but at the end of day, he's going to do more good than bad for the Leafs.

[KleptoKlown]

Flames going to OT what a friggen comeback...

They might be over achiving, but still, give credit...they dont quit.

[KleptoKlown]

Kevin Weekes I have no use for. You'd really think a huge company like CBC could hire better broadcasters for the late games.

Sad thing is...Weekes' predecessor, Marc Crawford was even worse...Not so much in what he said...just his voice.

[Gertner]

Up until this years all star game, Hiller is absolutely a top 5 goalie. Vertigo...wtf?

I know Byrgzalov was traded because Burke promised to let him try to become a number 1 elsewhere...but waivers? Atleast get a a late round pick...

Burke is loyal to his players...to a fault.

He stood behind Bertuzzi over that Steve Moore incident...even though Bertuzzi probably should have been thrown to the wolves.

In the long term, giving away Byrgzalov hurt the Ducks.
In the long term, giving up 2 1st rounders will hurt the Leafs.

So he will make regrettable moves...but at the end of day, he's going to do more good than bad for the Leafs.

Hiller has always been pretty good. His defence has been atrocious this year and the Ducks have generally been a 1 line team. The Coyotes play a better system than the Ducks too and are way more disciplined. Also, when you're paying a goaltender 6 million like Giguere, you tend to start him more than you should. This year has really been Hiller first full year to start without having to look over his shoulder.

But yeah, giving away Bryzgalov was silly.

[KleptoKlown]

wooow

great comeback by the Flames tonight. I still think they're fubar, but they're not going down without a fight.

The last game of year is vs the Canucks....imagine the Flames needing to win vs the Nucks just to make the playoffs, in order to face the Nucks in the first round. Could get nasty.

[Gertner]

lol poor Oilers.

[KleptoKlown]

Hiller has always been pretty good. His defence has been atrocious this year and the Ducks have generally been a 1 line team. The Coyotes play a better system than the Ducks too and are way more disciplined. Also, when you're paying a goaltender 6 million like Giguere, you tend to start him more than you should. This year has really been Hiller first full year to start without having to look over his shoulder.

But yeah, giving away Bryzgalov was silly.

Visnovsky has been great on the Ducks D this year, but he can't replace Nieds or Pronger.
Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, Selannne(even at 100 years old) are phenomenal up front.
Other than the Canucks, the Ducks have to be considered a scary team in the west.

As a Canucks fan...I'd rather face the Hawks in the playoffs than the Ducks.

Coaches don't pay attention to contracts. Giggy making 6 mill doesnt matter if he's being out played. Just look at the Leafs right now. Giggy is making more money than me, you...and the rest of tpww combined just sitting on his ass.

I dont have any stats to back this up...but I tend to think goalies play better when they have to look over their shoulders. This season is probably Luongo's best as a Canuck. Why? Because Schneider has played great. Makes Luongo feel as if he needs to earn every start. People in general tend to do better when they face competition.

[KleptoKlown]

lol poor Oilers.

Oilers will never win another cup.

No one wants to play in Edmonton. All these young future stars the Oilers have will book out as soon as fuck'n possible.

Who wants to live in a city where you get -20(or more) degree weather 8 months of the year.

[KleptoKlown]

Poor Habs fans...

"Scott Gomez, the club's highest-paid player who has seven goals and is a team-worst minus-16 this season..."

35 points, for a 6 million+ (not sure the exact number) cap hit

Glen Sather raped you and laugh while spitting in your face.

[Gertner]

Depending on the team and owner, coaches do get pressured to play players with bigger contracts. Plus, Giggy did win a cup and that carries some weight.

[El Fangel]

I just want to state that I absolutely despise Gomez. He is paid about 4 million more then he should and Ive never defended the move and still have no clue why it was made.

They said we couldn't afford Price and Halak because of salary cap constraints...well no fucking wonder.

Anyways, on to more relevant stuff. Toronto may just have had a nail put in their coffin, it would take an incredible run and a complete walling by Reimer to make it at this point. Its possible, but given that its the leafs and consistency is not their forte, I say they miss it from anywheres between 1-3 points. A heartbreaker for sure but look at the good side of things.

This all from MY point of view by the way.

Kessel - You overpaid for him, argue, bitch, whine, pull up numbers, regardless you overpaid. Is he a good player? Yes. Can he consistently score? Yes. Does he? Well...No. He is a 30+ goal guy, but what good is a 30 goal guy who scores 2-3 times (possibly including an empty netter) in a total blowout? If Toronto is up 4-1 (HAHA, I know) and Kessel makes it 5-1. Its an almost worthless goal. What would make Kessel seem worth the two picks is IF its 1-1 late in the third and Kessel scores a goal. Thats the type of goal scoring needed. Its almost like Lucic in Boston, excellent player and fun to watch, but nearing 30 goals I dont remember him scoring one that actually mattered all that much (keep in mind I rarely see Boston games)

Moving on.

MacArthur - Excellent move getting this guy, With Grabovski and Kulemin, they have made a formidable line.

What they need is for Bozak or Kadri to step up and take spots on the top line (Kadri can play all forward positions) So if they worked out, a potential line of Kadri - Bozak - Kessel would be beneficial to their team.

What they need (and what they traded :roll:) Is a puck moving defenseman and PP quarterback. I honestly think Phaneuf is overrated. I like the guy, but he is given far more credit then he deserves.

Reimer needs to get signed and for a good amount of time. This is the first goalie in recent memory that Toronto has drafted, developed and won with. They need to lock this kid up now and not let him get away.

Giguere needs to go, he has served well for the time he was here, but his salary is not something that Toronto needs at the moment. Sign a low-priced backup (like a Clemmensen or Boucher)

All in all, they need

A #1 Center
A power forward LW
A puck moving D
A good backup for Reimer (able to start 20-25 games)

Thats my thoughts.

With Giguere leaving, they should be able to make an impact on the FA market this year and hopefully be able to steal someone in the draft who can make the opening night roster.

[El Fangel]

Also, sidenote. Who else thinks it would be cool for Price to wear a Megatron mask in Mon/Tor season opener?

[CSL]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6765&d=1301213637

Who is this hockey player? May not have been relevant in about 5-6 years/however long it's been since I really followed hockey. Might not actually be a hockey player at all. But definitely an athlete, pretty sure hockey.

[CSL]

Nevermind, crisis averted.

[Emperor Smeat]

Looks like Savard might be closer to retiring than coming back to the ice any time soon. His memory loss and symptoms of the concussion are worse than when Bergeron had them a few years ago.

[Londoner]

ESPN so fucking stupid. World rally championship highlight programmes over runs live hockey for 6mins. WHo the fuck cares about rally championships anyway? :mad::n:Luckily they arrived just in time for the Vancouver goal, but c'mon thats just ridiculous.

[El Fangel]

Reminds me when they would run baseball into WWE Smackdown. No one wants to see that shit.

[OssMan]

Yeah why show a live event with an unknown outcome over a taped one with outcomes predetermined

[El Fangel]

No one gives a crap about baseball.

[Skippord]

willing to bet there are at least 40 million more people who care about baseball than WWE Smackdown

[Londoner]

What about World Rally Championships? lol

[Gertner]

Bozak is not a number 2 center. He's the problem with the Kessel line. He can't do this little thing that centers need to do called "pass". He's better suited for the third line.

[MVP]

willing to bet there are at least 40 million more people who care about baseball than WWE Smackdown

:wave:

[RP]

Detroit v Chicago...what

[RP]

Bertuzzi is a dumb shit, if you're gonna take someone out, why Ryan Johnson
Lol

[RP]

if your e gonna get tossed from the game, wouldn't you go after Toews or Hossa or Kane?

[RP]

Toews mvp

[Londoner]

Chicago V Detroit is amazing as hell. End to end fast paced action!

[El Fangel]

MacDonald played good for a start against a tough team.

[Gertner]

Chicago seems to be owning the Wings this year.

[El Fangel]

Holy fucking Selanne

3G 2A so far tonight

[Gertner]

OPTIMUS RRRRRRRRREIM!!!!!!

Of course right after I shit talk Kadri he has the game of his career.

[El Fangel]

Excellent win to keep those hopes alive.

[Hanso Amore]

Love how miller stabbed that shot by Phaneuf on a breakaway from the blue line.


OH WAIT.

There are soft goals (which all goalies give up from time to time) and then there is that goal.

[Hanso Amore]

That is what frustrates me with Miller. He plays out of his mind most of the time, making amazing clutch saves - and love him as a Goalie - but the goals he give up are often shit like that, like momentary lapses that just kill me.

[Gertner]

The Leafs actually won the season series with Buffalo. Can't believe I'm saying this.

[El Fangel]

You could have stopped after four words.

[LoDownM]

Wow St. Louis.

[El Fangel]

To be fair, it was against a journeyman and a rookie in his first NHL action but still...wow...

[Gertner]

Thanks Montreal for sucking at the end of the regular season like you do every year. They couldn't have done us a favor and beat Carolina.

This is ridiculous. The Leafs keep winning and the two hottest teams in the NHL are the two teams they are trying to catch.

[Hanso Amore]

The Leafs actually won the season series with Buffalo. Can't believe I'm saying this.

Buffalo has been weird like that.

Losing constantly to Florida, Atlanta, Toronto and Ottawa, but constantly beating Boston, Philly and Montreal.

[Hanso Amore]

My name is Jhonas

And so it begins, hot young rookie coming in, and people are calling for the Sabres to Trade miller and start him.

Somewhere Martin Biron is laughing.

[El Fangel]

Probably at home, as he is injured.

[Gertner]

ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT"S REIM TIME TONIGHT!!!!!!

[LoDownM]

Can't believe Vancouver has clinched the West before any other team has even cliched a playoff berth. If I was a Vancouver fan, I'd be hoping they don't win the President's Trophy tho, thing is cursed.

[Emperor Smeat]

Toronto 3-3 Bruins (1-0 SO)

Can't be completely upset since the Bruins are usually horrible if a game goes into the shootout but the 1 point earned does make it much closer for the Bruins taking the division with just 1 more point needed or 1-2 Montreal losses.

[Blitz]

Bruins are so mint

[OssMan]

optimus reim isn't that good of a nickname

give it a rest

[Corndad]

Mario Backing up what he has been saying...

From the Pittsburgh Herald:

When asked about NHL's suspension to Matt Cooke, Lemieux simply replied that Cooke's days with the Penguins are over. "Even after the first round of playoffs, he will not be back with the team". Lemieux added that in life, you have to walk the talk.

[OssMan]

I hope the Penguins make the second round of the playoffs and Cooke pulls a heel turn in the deciding game and rips off his Penguins jersey revealing the jersey of the opposite team and proceeds to strike Marc-Andre Fleury in the head with his stick, knocking him out and allowing the other team to score a goal

[El Fangel]

Reiminister

[Stickman]

Can't believe Vancouver has clinched the West before any other team has even cliched a playoff berth. If I was a Vancouver fan, I'd be hoping they don't win the President's Trophy tho, thing is cursed.

They are gunna win it today. I've never been so jacked for the Canucks as I am this year. However I think the Malhotra injury will hurt them come round 3-4 and I don't think they will win the Cup.

[Gertner]

OPTIMUS RRRRRRREIM!

See Montreal, that's how you beat the Bruins in Boston. Maybe if they ever grow some balls, they could do it to.




OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPTTTTTTIIIIIMMMMMUUUUUUUUSSSS RRRRRRRRRRRRRREIM!

[Gertner]

Oh, and Jack Edwards has got to be the worst play by play man in hockey. Fuck is he ever painful to listen to.

[Stickman]

They are gunna win it today. I've never been so jacked for the Canucks as I am this year. However I think the Malhotra injury will hurt them come round 3-4 and I don't think they will win the Cup.

And they just won their first President's Trophy in franchise history.

[Arashi Kage]

Veteran NHL referee Bill McCreary will officiate his final NHL regular season on Saturday.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=557936


Regarded as one of the best ever to officiate the game, McCreary holds the League records for most playoff games (297) and most Stanley Cup Final games (44) refereed. He will finish his career second on the NHL's all-time games-refereed list. The native of Guelph, Ontario, is one of only four referees to reach the 1,500 games mark -- a feat McCreary accomplished on Feb. 16, 2008.


I remember that he brought the Stanley Cup to my school when I was in Grade 8 after the Nordiques won the cup. During the lockout, he did work in home renovations here around town.

Another in the long line of top NHL officials to come out of Guelph. On that note, Andy VanHellamond was elected to city council during the latest municipal election back in the fall. :y:

[El Fangel]

:y:

[Stickman]

Veteran NHL referee Bill McCreary will officiate his final NHL regular season on Saturday.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=557936



Nordiques won the cup.



I must have missed that one.

[Gertner]

Leafs vs Sens tonight. Another must win. Kinda worried because Craig Anderson has been tough.

Looking forward to another fight between Jay Rosehill and Francis Lessard. Their last tilt was a fight of the year candidate.

[Emperor Smeat]

:D
Thrashers 2-3 Bruins, Bruins win the division.

[El Fangel]

PRICE!

[El Fangel]

Toronto up by 2 with a min left. They are looking good lately.

[Lara Emily]

Veteran NHL referee Bill McCreary will officiate his final NHL regular season on Saturday.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=557936



I remember that he brought the Stanley Cup to my school when I was in Grade 8 after the Nordiques won the cup. During the lockout, he did work in home renovations here around town.

Another in the long line of top NHL officials to come out of Guelph. On that note, Andy VanHellamond was elected to city council during the latest municipal election back in the fall. :y:

The Nordiques? The Nords didn't win until they became the Avalanche.

[Lara Emily]

Tyyyyyyyyyyyyler Kennedy!





Kennedy!




20!

[El Fangel]

Staal finally did something.

[Gertner]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPTIMUS!!!!!!! RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KleptoKlown]

Been gone for a week...need to catch up on this topic, gonna bring some old shit up.

[KleptoKlown]

speaking of old shit...man did the nucks ever look like pensioners vs the oil tonight.

oh well...exactly what they needed. look for the nucks to spank the oil come Tuesday. I'd rather them put up a stinker vs the worst team than the hawk or whoever else they will see in the playoffs

and what about Dallas? Wow talk about the worst time to be slumping. I blame Crawford. He somehow manages to bring out the worst of a team when the best is needed the most. Except for the last 60 seconds, the Stars showed no motivation at all. Talk about missing Modano. Vigneault > Crawford...despite Crawford's cup.

[KleptoKlown]

you guys know about myp2p.eu ?

not always the best quality, but lots of live games

[KleptoKlown]

Looks like Savard might be closer to retiring than coming back to the ice any time soon. His memory loss and symptoms of the concussion are worse than when Bergeron had them a few years ago.

Savard should retire. He is a smaller version of Lindros. There are more important things than hockey.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Hamhius retire in the next year or two either. Such a shame...he's still a kid. Hope the nucks land Weber in the offseason, otherwise, we have to trade Schinder or Hodgson for more D depth.

[KleptoKlown]

Bozak is not a number 2 center. He's the problem with the Kessel line. He can't do this little thing that centers need to do called "pass". He's better suited for the third line.


For once the Toronto media may be onto something. Brad Richards is a free agent in the offseason...and Burke is going to push hard.

He would be a perfect fit...but I am not convinced Richards wants to be a Leaf. TB and Dallas are hardly hockey markets. Richards has made millions while keeping relatively private. He can kiss his private life goodbye if he signs with the Leafs. Richards has always struck me as a private guy, and he already has a cup. He's going to make millions no matter where he goes. Up to him if he wants the added pressures of playing in the Leafs market.

[KleptoKlown]

Buffalo has been weird like that.

Losing constantly to Florida, Atlanta, Toronto and Ottawa, but constantly beating Boston, Philly and Montreal.

Thats what makes the Sabres so dangerous in the playoffs. Either Buff/Boston or Philly/Pits in the East finals will be insanely exciting.

[KleptoKlown]

Mario Backing up what he has been saying...

From the Pittsburgh Herald:

When asked about NHL's suspension to Matt Cooke, Lemieux simply replied that Cooke's days with the Penguins are over. "Even after the first round of playoffs, he will not be back with the team". Lemieux added that in life, you have to walk the talk.

You got a link to that??

[KleptoKlown]

Reiminister


Sounds better than Harper...and I hate the Leafs.

[KleptoKlown]

They are gunna win it today. I've never been so jacked for the Canucks as I am this year. However I think the Malhotra injury will hurt them come round 3-4 and I don't think they will win the Cup.

Sadly, it's players like Malholtra that are the difference that win the cup...or lose it.

Raymond is being moved to 3rd line centre...Raymond, Hanson(one of thee most underrated guys in the NHL...) and Torres. That sounds more like a scoring line than a shut down line.

[Gertner]

For once the Toronto media may be onto something. Brad Richards is a free agent in the offseason...and Burke is going to push hard.

He would be a perfect fit...but I am not convinced Richards wants to be a Leaf. TB and Dallas are hardly hockey markets. Richards has made millions while keeping relatively private. He can kiss his private life goodbye if he signs with the Leafs. Richards has always struck me as a private guy, and he already has a cup. He's going to make millions no matter where he goes. Up to him if he wants the added pressures of playing in the Leafs market.

He grew up in P.E.I so you may be on to something, but Richards was drafted by Tampa and dealt to Dallas so he's kind of a wild card. It depends. If he were to sign with Toronto and help turn Toronto into a playoff team Richards would own that city.

[Gertner]

speaking of old shit...man did the nucks ever look like pensioners vs the oil tonight.

oh well...exactly what they needed. look for the nucks to spank the oil come Tuesday. I'd rather them put up a stinker vs the worst team than the hawk or whoever else they will see in the playoffs

and what about Dallas? Wow talk about the worst time to be slumping. I blame Crawford. He somehow manages to bring out the worst of a team when the best is needed the most. Except for the last 60 seconds, the Stars showed no motivation at all. Talk about missing Modano. Vigneault > Crawford...despite Crawford's cup.

I've always thought that Dallas was playing over their head. Two stats about Dallas that have concerned me over the year. They are below average on face offs and penalty killing. The combination of the two is a recipe for disaster.

[El Fangel]

He grew up in P.E.I so you may be on to something, but Richards was drafted by Tampa and dealt to Dallas so he's kind of a wild card. It depends. If he were to sign with Toronto and help turn Toronto into a playoff team Richards would own that city.

Richards has stated, in a Hockey News interview I believe, that he wished to stay in Dallas with Neal and Eriksson (obviously things were working) but with the Neal trade. I wouldnt be so sure anymore. Maybe if Benn takes Neals place but I could see him traded and no other team is in need of a top center as bad as Toronto then perhaps maybe Calgary and Columbus.

I've always thought that Dallas was playing over their head. Two stats about Dallas that have concerned me over the year. They are below average on face offs and penalty killing. The combination of the two is a recipe for disaster.

[Hanso Amore]

Old School Save with no Mask

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MY NAME IS JHONAS

[Hanso Amore]

Bonus points for McCormick clearing the front of the net and killing two canes.

[Gertner]

lol Rick's call on that save is awesome. I wish Buffalo still had a heavy like Rob Ray, because I LOVE when Rick flips out during fights.

[Corndad]

You got a link to that??

http://www.pittsburghherald.info/s_727555.html

[Hanso Amore]

lol Rick's call on that save is awesome. I wish Buffalo still had a heavy like Rob Ray, because I LOVE when Rick flips out during fights.

YEah. We had shit Andrew Peters and no McCormick who really isnt a great fighter. But he answers the bell when he needs to so I really like him. He is all Hustle.

[Blitz]

Well, Bruins end the Leafs' season by losing. W2G Boston.

[Lara Emily]

The Leafs magic number for missing the playoffs is 1, 1 point lost or 1 point gained by Buffalo

[El Fangel]

Yeah, they dont have a shot in hell anymore but that is the closest they have come in recent years.

[Gertner]

YEah. We had shit Andrew Peters and no McCormick who really isnt a great fighter. But he answers the bell when he needs to so I really like him. He is all Hustle.

McCormick at least fights quite a bit, and yeah, Peters was pretty bad.

[El Fangel]

Here is a question, who are the best two fighters in the NHL right now. I dont mean wins or total fights I mean best to watch.

Orr, Carcillo, Downie, Bissonette come to mind for me.

[Hanso Amore]

I dunno - I dont see many people handling Lucic, though he isnt your typical goon.

[El Fangel]

And, Go Go Gertner rant.

[Lara Emily]

Yeah, they dont have a shot in hell anymore but that is the closest they have come in recent years.

They were one New York Islander loss away from making the playoffs in 06-07
That game was hilarious, the Devils played their back up (which pissed off Leaf Fans) then with the Isles up by 1 John Madden scored at 20:00 of the third period, it was literally like a tenth of a second left, giving the Leafs fans renewed hope and then the Isles went and won it in a shootout and eliminated the Leafs. Great stuff

[Gertner]

I dunno - I dont see many people handling Lucic, though he isnt your typical goon.

lol FA was right. Lucic fights guys 20 pounds lighter or non fighters. Every time he's stepped up and fought an actual fighter he's lost. Spilchuk will claim otherwise, but check his fight card on dropyourgloves.com or hockeyfights.com. Lucic is a notorious spot picker ala Chris Neil.

[Gertner]

Here is a question, who are the best two fighters in the NHL right now. I dont mean wins or total fights I mean best to watch.

Orr, Carcillo, Downie, Bissonette come to mind for me.

Orr is fun to watch because you know there's a chance either him or his opponent is getting knocked out.

Carcillo has been a bitch this year. His fights haven't been nearly as exciting.

Downie is meh, same as Biz Nasty

The two most exciting fighters in my opinion are Zenon Konopka who has had some amazing fights and probably Rick Rypien are far as non heavyweights go. Derek Dorsett is up there too.

Two most exciting heavyweights are Colton Orr for reason I explained and Steve Macintyre for the same reason as Orr.

The most boring fighter who fights alot is Can Janssen who has made a career of doing nothing for a minute until his opponent punches himself out.

It's a shame Riley Cote retired because he was ALOT of fun to watch. Jay Rosehill also has some exciting fights. His fights with Lessard and Lucic were great.

[Lara Emily]

lol FA was right. Lucic fights guys 20 pounds lighter or non fighters. Every time he's stepped up and fought an actual fighter he's lost. Spilchuk will claim otherwise, but check his fight card on dropyourgloves.com or hockeyfights.com. Lucic is a notorious spot picker ala Chris Neil.

Yup Lucic is a total coward

Deryk Engelland also deserves recognition as a great fighter

In terms of lightweights Tyler Kennedy has awesome fights

[Gertner]

Engelland has really come on this year.

[Hanso Amore]

Just checked Gerts PBP thread again and it made me really miss those mid and late 90s sabres teams.

[Gertner]

lol Reimer has been outstanding tonight. The saves he's made have been incredible.

[Gertner]

Just checked Gerts PBP thread again and it made me really miss those mid and late 90s sabres teams.

I miss Rick's calls on Rob Ray, Barnaby and May's fights.

[Lara Emily]

Leafs out

Habs officially in

All in one night

[parkmania]

http://www.pittsburghherald.info/s_727555.html

Dunno about this article. I haven't heard this one. Admittedly I was fairly out of touch over the weekend but I'm 100% certain that Mark Madden would have this all over his radio show if it were true.

The talk of a "new original 6" makes me think it's a April Fools joke.

[El Fangel]

Reason #1 Why Not To Block A Chara Shot.

NEW YORK (AP)—Rangers’ second-leading scorer Ryan Callahan (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3886/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3886/news) is out indefinitely because of a broken right leg, just as New York is making a final push for an Eastern Conference playoff spot.

The injury occurred when the fearless forward blocked a shot by 6-foot-9 defenseman Zdeno Chara (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1700/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1700/news), who broke the league record for the hardest drive with a 105.9 mph blast at this year’s All-Star skills competition.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AgczYgdXXT2_1f_U44dtCf97vLYF?slug=ap-rangers-callahanout

[Hanso Amore]

A Carolina loss at any point in their last games locks them out. They need to win out, and have the Sabres lose out.

[CSL]

ah ha

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Marty-Turco-bets-fan-during-Blackhawks-Habs-game?urn=nhl-wp1867

[JimmyMess]

Thats amazing.

And yes the NHL will most likely have a shitstorm over it.

[El Fangel]

Turco plays for the Hawks?

[Gertner]

Habs fans probably called the cops on Turco.

[Arashi Kage]

Turco is the man!

Great of him to enjoy the game as "one of the guys". I'm sure it was a great experience for the fan.

[KleptoKlown]

Here is a question, who are the best two fighters in the NHL right now. I dont mean wins or total fights I mean best to watch.

Orr, Carcillo, Downie, Bissonette come to mind for me.

Rick Rypien...even though he is not technically in the NHL right now.

Pound for pound, on Carcillo gives him a run for his money.

[KleptoKlown]

I've always thought that Dallas was playing over their head. Two stats about Dallas that have concerned me over the year. They are below average on face offs and penalty killing. The combination of the two is a recipe for disaster.

Dallas is in no way shape or form a playoff team. Although considering they could sneak in over the Hawks...

I'm torn.

In one hand, facing the Stars should be a pretty straight forward round 1 win

On the other hand, facing, and beating the Hawks will give that Nucks teams a huge morale boost. Such a boost that barring anymore injuries, will make the Nucks the hardest team to play against.

[El Fangel]

I love how my dream final is possible. Vancouver vs Montreal.

[KleptoKlown]

Richards has stated, in a Hockey News interview I believe, that he wished to stay in Dallas with Neal and Eriksson (obviously things were working) but with the Neal trade. I wouldnt be so sure anymore. Maybe if Benn takes Neals place but I could see him traded and no other team is in need of a top center as bad as Toronto then perhaps maybe Calgary and Columbus.

Almost every time, in any sport...

A potential free agent will tell the media he wants to stay with his current team. I am not saying Richards doesn't want to stay with the Stars, but he will never admit while his contract is still valid that he plans on skipping town at seasons end. Doesn't mean he wants to be a Leaf either. As a Canadian (PEI or otherwise) I am sure he has pride in his profession. He probably wants more than to just blend in. Maybe I am wrong...maybe he is content making his millions with minimal media pressure. Maybe he wants to carry a team on his back...

Anyway you slice it, Richards as a free agent is something I am really looking forward to this offseason.

I will literally shit a brick if he signs with the Rangers.

[Gertner]

I love how my dream final is possible. Vancouver vs Montreal.

lol no it isn't

[El Fangel]

I'm sorry, can someone tell me what Gertner said. hard to hear someone talking from outside the bubble.

[Gertner]

The Habs will be joining us real soon.

[JimmyMess]

George Parros is awesome.

[Gertner]

Rick Rypien...even though he is not technically in the NHL right now.

Pound for pound, on Carcillo gives him a run for his money.

Depends on what Carcillo fights. He's been awfully hit or miss this year. I'd definitely put Konopka ahead of him

[El Fangel]

The Habs will be joining us real soon.

Aww, someone's bitter.

[KleptoKlown]

lol FA was right. Lucic fights guys 20 pounds lighter or non fighters. Every time he's stepped up and fought an actual fighter he's lost. Spilchuk will claim otherwise, but check his fight card on dropyourgloves.com or hockeyfights.com. Lucic is a notorious spot picker ala Chris Neil.

Lucic is a lot more than just a fighter though.

He's not going to go toe to toe with a player like Booreguard (whatever the spelling)

He's capable of 30+ goals 80+ points...and he can handle himself in a fight.

That's the X factor.

[KleptoKlown]

Dunno about this article. I haven't heard this one. Admittedly I was fairly out of touch over the weekend but I'm 100% certain that Mark Madden would have this all over his radio show if it were true.

The talk of a "new original 6" makes me think it's a April Fools joke.

All in all, it doesn't matter what Lemuiex says right now...it matters what he does.

If Cooke plays another game in a Pens jersey, even I can't defend that.
Lemuiex has been trying to make a clean game since...forever.

If he backs Cooke, and lets him play again, "two face" is the best PG-13 word I can think of.

On the other hand, if Cooke is released/bought out...atleast Lemuiex's money is where his mouth is. Doesn't matter if you agree with what he's trying to do...or hate him because of it. As long as he's consistent,
no one can bitch.

[KleptoKlown]

Reason #1 Why Not To Block A Chara Shot.

NEW YORK (AP)—Rangers’ second-leading scorer Ryan Callahan (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3886/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3886/news) is out indefinitely because of a broken right leg, just as New York is making a final push for an Eastern Conference playoff spot.

The injury occurred when the fearless forward blocked a shot by 6-foot-9 defenseman Zdeno Chara (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1700/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1700/news), who broke the league record for the hardest drive with a 105.9 mph blast at this year’s All-Star skills competition.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AgczYgdXXT2_1f_U44dtCf97vLYF?slug=ap-rangers-callahanout

Not like the Rangers really had a chance anyway....but I would have creamed myself to see a Nucks/Rangers final.

[El Fangel]

Yeah a guy who can score AND fight are premium players.

See: Getzlaf, Iggy, Downie.

[KleptoKlown]

Yeah a guy who can score AND fight are premium players.

See: Getzlaf, Iggy, Downie.

When did Iggy get downs syndrome?

[El Fangel]

Not like the Rangers really had a chance anyway....but I would have creamed myself to see a Nucks/Rangers final.

Probably screams flame me, but the Rangers are a rata bunch at best.

[KleptoKlown]

Thats amazing.

And yes the NHL will most likely have a shitstorm over it.

Naaah, nothing more than a finger shaking just to save face.

Guarantee you the NHL higher ups love this kinda thing...brings the fans closer to the players.

[KleptoKlown]

When did Iggy get downs syndrome?

oooh Downie...now the whole retarded concept seems clear.

[KleptoKlown]

I love how my dream final is possible. Vancouver vs Montreal.

Doesn't matter if you finish 1st or 16th. Playoffs is a whole new beast. No one will argue with that.

Could be Nucks vs Philly

Could technically be the Flames vs the Canes

Nucks and Habs would be amazing...and I wouldnt be disappointed at any outcome so long as it was a good fair series.

Unfortunately I truly believe that Bettman would get involved...would do everything he could not to let that happen.

6 Canadian teams keep the NHL stable....we need a Canadian Commish.

[KleptoKlown]

Depends on what Carcillo fights. He's been awfully hit or miss this year. I'd definitely put Konopka ahead of him

Carcillo has a face that everyone likes to see get pounded. As entertaining as he is...I love it more when he's face down.

[El Fangel]

I was going to say, if you insulted Ryan fucking Getzlaf, we were going to have to have words.

[KleptoKlown]

Getzlaf is amazing...he just plays for the wrong team

[El Fangel]

What could Bettman do to stop an all Canadian final that wouldn't piss of its largest fanbase.

[KleptoKlown]

Everything possible...

[Emperor Smeat]

He wouldn't have to do much since the current division setup always finds a way to reduce the number of Canadian teams by at least 1-4 teams per season since they are all bunched up in 2 divisions.

He's already prevented any expansion teams being Canadian if they take away from US teams (ex. Phoenix, Nashville) although a big rumor involves Atlanta loosing its team within the next 1-2 years.

[KleptoKlown]

Largest fan base or not...us Canadians are going to buy tickets next year, we're going to watch TV, we're going to buy jerseys...hell, if Kraft Dinner started making over sized hockey cards on the back of there boxes, I'd do it.

From a business stand point, there is no need to sell the game here. Every time us Canadian's buy a ticket...we're playing into Bettman's plans.

[KleptoKlown]

Honestly...we're all douche bags for supporting the NHL the way it is.

[KleptoKlown]

Getzlaf is amazing...he just plays for the wrong team

Just to add to that...

Doesn't matter if it's "my" team or "your" team.

Who cheers for the fucking Ducks?

Emiloooooooooooo

Goldberg>Hiller

[KleptoKlown]

He wouldn't have to do much since the current division setup always finds a way to reduce the number of Canadian teams by at least 1-4 teams per season since they are all bunched up in 2 divisions.

He's already prevented any expansion teams being Canadian if they take away from US teams (ex. Phoenix, Nashville) although a big rumor involves Atlanta loosing its team within the next 1-2 years.

As much as I love the Moose being the Nucks farm team, the MTS center holds 16,000+ fans. Not to mentions tickets will sell for more than 20 bucks like in the desert...

[LoDownM]

Isn't going to be a all Canadian team final. Not trying to put the Canucks down because they are a good team, but the President's Trophy usually equals choking early or losing in the Conference Championship.

[El Fangel]

I just want your guys opinion, would you yay or nay, continuous sudden death 4-on-4 overtime in place of a shootout?

[Gertner]

It'll never happen. NBC would FREAK if a game went too long and screwed up the rest of their programming.

Also, I've put my helmet on before I'm making this statement..........I like the shootout. (Ducks for cover)

[Gertner]

Adam Foote set to retire. Wow am I ever getting old lol

[Hanso Amore]

More like is he ever getting old.

Man, those amazing late 90s-early 2000s Avalanche teams are pretty much retired. Guys like Drury and Hejduk are really all I can think of still playing.

[Gertner]

Milan Hejduk
Alex Tanguay
Chris Drury
Steven Reinprecht

last 4 remaining from the 2000-2001 champion Avalanche after Foote retires, and it looks like Reinprecht will be following Foote.

[KleptoKlown]

I don't get why people call the Presidents trophy a curse. There are 15 other teams that are playing just as hard.

When the playoffs start every team has a chance. Upsets happen in every sport every year. Home fans are an X factor. Not to mention the coach being able to match lines.

Would you really have your team finish 2nd or lower because of some "curse?"

[Gertner]

You know what's a curse. Not making the playoffs for 7 straight years. My mom and I were talking. My dad was still alive the last time the Leafs made the playoffs. Hmmmm. My dad died and the Leafs haven't made the playoffs since. THE CURSE OF RICK DUFOUR!!!!!!

[KleptoKlown]

I just want your guys opinion, would you yay or nay, continuous sudden death 4-on-4 overtime in place of a shootout?

I like the shootout...but I don't like 3 point games. If the game is tied late in the 3rd, teams tend to play it safe, guarantee that 1 point. Take away the loser point and you will see teams weaker on shootouts play harder in those last minutes in regulation and during the overtime.
If you bring back ties were teams get 1 point each, the shootout becomes redundant, unless it's used to determine overall standings in case of a tie in points. It would be stupid to use the shootout for that considering there are no shootouts in the playoffs.

I really don't know how to eliminate 3 points games while keeping the shootout relevant.

-edit-

as far as the regular season goes, you can't have those marathon games. All teams at one point or another play back to back games. Imagine playing 2 full OT periods, getting on a plane, flying 2000km then playing again the next day...

how about 3-3 hockey? If 4-4 solves nothing, 5 more minutes of 3-3. Could be exciting.

[Gertner]

I 100% agree. The 3 point games makes it next to impossible to catch anybody. It friggen killed my Leafs chances.

[KleptoKlown]

Adam Foote set to retire. Wow am I ever getting old lol

I still remember Selanne's rookie year where he torn the league up like it was yesterday. Blink twice, and these guys are old farts.

[KleptoKlown]

You know what's a curse. Not making the playoffs for 7 straight years. My mom and I were talking. My dad was still alive the last time the Leafs made the playoffs. Hmmmm. My dad died and the Leafs haven't made the playoffs since. THE CURSE OF RICK DUFOUR!!!!!!

More to do with piss poor management than anything else.

[Hanso Amore]

I dont have a problem with shootouts, I dont want to see triple OT in the regular season. I would like to see it be a 10 minute 4 on 4 then the shootout.

And I agree, I hate the 3 point game. My solution? Either drop the point for losing in OT, or make wins count for 3 points.

And OT loss is not half as good as a win. It is much worse.

Also make the Tiebreaker Regulation wins, not total wins.

Increase the incentive to win in Regulation, and make wins count for more, and you remove the "Just get a point mentality".

[Hanso Amore]

There is no reason a team that is 0-0-82 should have as many points as a team that is 41-41-0

[El Fangel]

12-0-70 and that's a clinched playoff spot.


Hockey has turned from win in 60 mins to don't be losing in 60.

[parkmania]

I like the shootout...but I don't like 3 point games. If the game is tied late in the 3rd, teams tend to play it safe, guarantee that 1 point. Take away the loser point and you will see teams weaker on shootouts play harder in those last minutes in regulation and during the overtime.
If you bring back ties were teams get 1 point each, the shootout becomes redundant, unless it's used to determine overall standings in case of a tie in points. It would be stupid to use the shootout for that considering there are no shootouts in the playoffs.

I really don't know how to eliminate 3 points games while keeping the shootout relevant.

-edit-

as far as the regular season goes, you can't have those marathon games. All teams at one point or another play back to back games. Imagine playing 2 full OT periods, getting on a plane, flying 2000km then playing again the next day...

how about 3-3 hockey? If 4-4 solves nothing, 5 more minutes of 3-3. Could be exciting.

How about this one: win in regulation = 3 points, win in OT/shootout = 2 points, loss in OT/shootout = 1 point, loss in regulation = 0 points. That way EVERY game is worth 3 points, so no advantage for teams that go to OT lots.

[El Fangel]

Simply put, every game should be worth the same amount of points.

[El Fangel]

And honestly, whoever thought that a 3pt game is better then a point a piece tie is an idiot.

[Skippord]

Adam Foote set to retire. Wow am I ever getting old lol
:'(

love him, but he's been hurt like all year.

[Lara Emily]

I dont have a problem with shootouts, I dont want to see triple OT in the regular season. I would like to see it be a 10 minute 4 on 4 then the shootout.

And I agree, I hate the 3 point game. My solution? Either drop the point for losing in OT, or make wins count for 3 points.

And OT loss is not half as good as a win. It is much worse.

Also make the Tiebreaker Regulation wins, not total wins.

Increase the incentive to win in Regulation, and make wins count for more, and you remove the "Just get a point mentality".

The tie breaker is wins in regulation an OT, SO wins are not counted. Whic reates a fucked up system where a team can win the tie breaker despite having lost more games then the other team, the current sytem basically gives more value in a tie breaker system to shootout/OT losses then shootout wins.

[Lara Emily]

Proof in my point:

Flyers lost in OT, so Pens and Flyers are tied.


Now normally it would come down to wins which would put the Pens up in 2nd in the East (they have 2 more wins then the Flyers) but with the new stupid tie breaker status the Flyers get to stay in first despite having actually lost more games then the Pens because SO wins don't count.

Fucking stupid, it should be # of wins, then if tied # of SO wins, right now if I get this right a shootout/OT loss is worth more than a shootout win in a tie breaker situation and that's idiotic

If you took away OT/SO loss points the Penguins would have clinched the division today

Rangers are in the same boat against Carolina but worse Rangers have 3 more wins then the Hurricanes but 4 more SO wins then the Canes so the Canes are in 8th now. Stupid stupid stupid

So now if the Rangers and Hurricanes both win their next game in regulation or OT, Canes make the playoffs, Rangers are out despite the Rangers having won more games. Essentially the Canes get in for having lost more games in shootouts/OT then the Rangers


BTW y'all should have seen the end of regulation of the Sabres/Flyers game, the Sabres just sat in their own zone and didn't even try to move the puck up ice because they knew win or lose the OT point would clinch a playoff spot and the Flyers hung back and let them because they knew as long as they got to OT win or lose they'd stay tops in their division. It was hilariously awful

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah, I wasnt thrilled with the way that one ended. Like its one thing to kill the clock and play for the point, but Philly didnt even forecheck and both just coasted the last minute.

Happy with the results, upset with the way it happened.

Then like right into the overtime period Thomas Vanek sealed the fucker closed. Vanek needs to so shit like that more. 3rd time he has won a game in OT this year with pretty much the same move....Charge the fucking net and blow by everyone.

[Hanso Amore]

Also - once the playoffs start I suggest you catch some Sabres game. Try watching NAthan Gerbe play and not like the guy.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tim Thomas broke Hasek's old single-season saves percentage record after the 3-1 win against the Senators. Since he didn't allow another goal and Rask plays the season finale vs NJ, the record belongs to Thomas (57 games played).

[Emperor Smeat]

Rangers locked up the 8th seed due to Hurricanes loosing 6-2 and Rangers winning 5-2.

Flyers won which means Bruins (#3) can't get #2 seed and Penguins becomes #4 in the East.

East Round 1:
Washington vs New York
Philadelphia vs Buffalo
Boston vs Montreal
Pittsburgh vs Tampa Bay

West still has some seeds on the line for the last game with only Vancouver as #1 seed locked.

[El Fangel]

AOh my, All excited about the 1st round.

Wash in 4
Philly in 5
Montreal in 7
Tampa in 6

[Gertner]

hahaha Teemu Selanne got into a fight! Did pretty well. lol Fangel, the Habs are going to get crushed. That's a horrible match up for the Habs.

[El Fangel]

We will see.

If any team is getting crushed both figuratively and literally its Buffalo.

[mhirn3]

Nice goal by Detroit. Just smacking down the defending champs.

[RoXer]

How often does it happen that the entire division makes the playoffs?

[Emperor Smeat]

Blackhawks lost to Red Wings 3-4 and now have to wait to see if Dallas wins or looses for their playoff future.

Blackhawks have a 2 point lead but if Dallas wins in regulation or in OT, Dallas gets #8 seed in West. A Dallas loss (regulation, OT, or SO) or a shootout win and Chicago gets the #8 seed.

[mhirn3]

Wow that has to suck to have your season be dependent on what someone else does

[Hanso Amore]

Sabre are the best team in the east since December. 64 points. Chilly drew the long straw. Sabre are a beast of a 7 seed. Fuck philly...they are done.sabre have owned them this year

[JimmyMess]

Wow that has to suck to have your season be dependent on what someone else does

Don't play like shit or lose big games and you won't have to.

[XCaliber]

To the Minnesota Wild and Chicago Blackhawks: FORGET YOU!

[Stickman]

Going to game one of Canucks and Hawks, fucking JACKED!

[KleptoKlown]

This might be a case of "Be careful of what you wish for..." but I am excited for the Hawks in round 1. Dallas would have been 4-5 games, leaving the Nucks unprepared for round 2. If the Nucks win, they get a monkey off there back, a huge confidence boost, and will carry that through the playoffs no matter who they face. However if the Hawks win, Vigneult is gone and some major changes will need to take place. Doesn't matter how good your regular season was if you can't get out of the 1st round or beat a certain team.

[KleptoKlown]

Predictions time folks!

East:

Caps vs Rangers: <b>Caps in 5</b>

Flyers vs Sabres: <b>Sabres in 7</b> - Upset of Rd1, its Miller time.

Bruins vs Habs:<b> Bruins in 6</b> - Hope Im wrong in this prediction, either way it's going to be a great series. Montreal will riot if the Habs lose this on home ice.

Bolts vs Pens: <b>Bolts in 6</b>

West

Nucks vs Hawks: <b>Nucks in 4</b> - Fuck you Hawks. I know this probably wont be a sweep...but one can dream no?

Sharks vs Kings: <b>Sharks in 7</b> - LA is hurt, but Mitchell Doughty Handzus should be able to shut down Thorton and co.

Wings vs Coyotes: <b>Wings in 6</b>

Ducks vs Preds: <b>Ducks in 7</b> - Ducks have the best line in the NHL right now. Speed Size Skill. Weber has his work cut out for him.

[El Fangel]

Predictions time folks!

East:

Caps vs Rangers: <b>Rangers in 7</b>

Predicting an upset.

Flyers vs Sabres: <b>Flyers in 4</b> - I don't like a big nasty team vs a small team, see a sweep.

Bruins vs Habs:<b> Montreal in 7</b> - I'm pumped for this, Montreal is going to stage a game 7 comeback.

Bolts vs Pens: <b>Bolts in 5</b>

Pitts might get a game.

West

Nucks vs Hawks: <b>Nucks in 4</b> - Fuck the Hawks.

Sharks vs Kings: <b>LA in 6</b> - LA is hurt, but Mitchell Doughty Handzus should be able to shut down Thorton and co.

Wings vs Coyotes: <b>Phoenix in 6</b>

Upset.

Ducks vs Preds: <b>Ducks in 6</b> - Ducks have the best line in the NHL right now. Speed Size Skill. Weber has his work cut out for him.

[Gertner]

I will make my avatar the Habs logo if they beat the Bruins.

[JimmyMess]

Draft Lottery -

1. Edmonton Oilers
2. Colorado Avalanche
3. Florida Panthers
4. New Jersey Devils (Won Draft Lottery)
5. New York Islanders

[Droford]

I was telling people at work who are Caps fans (all 2 of them) that they will Choke again this year in the first round and neither believed me. They're 3-10 in the first round since 1992.

[OssMan]

Stats like that are so fucking retarded. A more reasonable stat which is still meaningless is that the Caps are 1-2 in the first round in their last three seasons. At least the teams from the past 3 years have a lot of the same guys on them. Nobody who was on the Capitals in 1992 has anything to do with them now.

[parkmania]

Predictions time folks!

East:

Caps vs Rangers: <b>Caps in 5</b>
Flyers vs Sabres: <b>Sabres in 7</b> - Upset of Rd1, its Miller time.
Bruins vs Habs:<b>Bruins in 6</b>
Bolts vs Pens: <b>Pens in 6</b> - If it goes the distance, PIT has a HORRIBLE record in home game 7s.

West

Nucks vs Hawks: <b>Nucks in 4</b>
Sharks vs Kings: <b>Sharks in 7</b>
Wings vs Coyotes: <b>Yotes in 7</b>
Ducks vs Preds: <b>Ducks in 5</b> - Ducks have the best line in the NHL right now. Speed Size Skill. Weber has his work cut out for him.

[El Fangel]

Edmonton with 1st overall again, willing to bet they take Hopkins.

[Gertner]

They should take Larsson since their defence is shit, but RNH is a Western Canada boy, so they'll take him

[El Fangel]

Petry got that call up in the early season and has been great for them, so they might now have to take him.

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle

:drool:

[SaskatchewanChamp]

East

Caps vs Rangers: Caps in 6
Flyers vs Sabres: Flyers in 7
Bruins vs Habs: Bruins in 5
Bolts vs Pens: Bolts in 7

West

Nucks vs Hawks: Canucks in 7
Sharks vs Kings: Kings in 6
Wings vs Coyotes: Coyotes in 6
Ducks vs Preds: Ducks in 5

[SaskatchewanChamp]

They should take Larsson

[Corndad]

No matter what teams we all root for, we all can agree on one thing. There is nothing like Playoff Hockey. Let the greatest playoffs in Sports begin.

[KleptoKlown]

Lou RAPED Campbell with only a few minutes left in the first. 2-0 Nucks after 20. F'n amazing game so far. Nucks are pumped...all 4 lines. Lapiere looking like he did for the Habs last year, Hansen makes Hossa look like a snail in a foot race.

[SaskatchewanChamp]

Lou RAPED Campbell with only a few minutes left in the first. 2-0 Nucks after 20. F'n amazing game so far. Nucks are pumped...all 4 lines. Lapiere looking like he did for the Habs last year, Hansen makes Hossa look like a snail in a foot race.

Agreed.

I think this series will only last 5 games, but those are going to be some tough games. I look for one of the 'tards to run Luongo over in Game 3 or 4.

[Arashi Kage]

Hansen's goal was a beauty!!!! I just about jumped outta my chair, lol.

GO CANUCKS!!!!!!

Pens win 3-0. I feel bad that I loaded up on Tampa players in my work's playoff pool even though the Pens have always been my favorite team for 21 years. Guess this is what I get for doubting the Pens. :nono:

[El Fangel]

Love it!

[El Fangel]

Kesler is a fridge.