NFL 2012 Off-Season Thread

[Skippord]

is it possible the Bills kidnapped Mario Williams fiancee and they're forcing him to sign?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Apparently the Titans offered Peyton a lifetime contract. He'd be under contract for as long as he wanted to continue playing, and it would extend into a front office role when he hangs 'em up if he wanted.</font>

[OssMan]

fuck adam schefter

[Droford]

Ravens are losing players left and right

Jarrett Johnson, Ben Grubbs, Corey Redding, Chris Carr, Lee Evans, .a few others Im forgetting.

They are looking to Ted Ginn Jr and Eddie Royal as possible additions, more or less for kick returns. Ginn is a better returner, Royal is a better receiver, so I dont know.

The are also looking at Evan Mathis to replace Ben Grubbs, he played for the Eagles last year and was one of the highest ranked guards, not allowing a sack and was a factor in their success running the football.

[Nark Order]

Good luck using Ginn Jr as a WR.

[RP]

is it possible the Bills kidnapped Mario Williams fiancee and they're forcing him to sign?

I don't know why they wouldn't.

[Hanso Amore]

is it possible the Bills kidnapped Mario Williams fiancee and they're forcing him to sign?

I imagine the Bills negotiations have broken down to this...

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[Hanso Amore]

YES! FUCK YES!

1:30 Press conference to announce the signing of Mario Williams.

FUCKING RIGHT!

[MVP]

Free Agwency opened with Wanny and Buddy meeting Mario at his door. He came in for dinner and a meet and greet with players. Then he spent the night. Spent all da in buffalo and flew in his MRS. Then Spent all night here. Spending the night again and will go back to the stadium in the am.

I was hoping it'd be a one night stand with Mario sneaking away after Buffalo fell asleep, and never calling again.

[Kris P Lettus]

YES! FUCK YES!

1:30 Press conference to announce the signing of Mario Williams.

FUCKING RIGHT!

Not gonna look it up but I bet you acted the same way when signing Merriman..

[Hanso Amore]

Not at all. They didnt sign Merriman, they claimed him while injured off waivers. ANd I never liked it. Still dont.

But i have seen you act the same way with the Saints signing various 4th string runningbacks.

[Hanso Amore]

6 years, 96 million for Williams.

[Ermaximus]

Yeah but Williams is way better than Merriman so I can understand if he did.

[Hanso Amore]

I guess I am to understand that I shouldnt be excited about the top free agent landing on my team.

[FearedSanctity]

I wish I knew what it felt like for my team to sign ANYBODY

[Nark Order]

Hanso, I give you permission to flip your shit this entire day. I would be acting in a similar fashion. Celebrate on, mein freund.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>RIP Mario Williams' career</font> :shifty:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I wish I knew what it felt like for my team to sign ANYBODY

Don't worry, there is absolutely NO WAY the Broncos don't get Peyton Manning. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE that Broncos do not get Peyton Manning. No possible way it doesn't happen. It is INCONCEIVABLE.

[Nark Order]

The biggest signing we've made thus far is resigning Carlos Rogers, which is delightful.

[Nark Order]

Don't worry, there is absolutely NO WAY the Broncos don't get Peyton Manning. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE that Broncos do not get Peyton Manning. No possible way it doesn't happen. It is INCONCEIVABLE.

I mean, they have a billboard for Christ sake! How can he not sign when he's ON A BILLBOARD?!

[Skippord]

Randy Moss is offended and will not be playing hard now

way to go Narc

[Ermaximus]

Hanso, I give you permission to flip your shit this entire day. I would be acting in a similar fashion. Celebrate on, mein freund.

[Nark Order]

Randy Moss will soil himself this coming year during a reception. Mark my words.

[Next Big Thing]

There's still Kendall Langford :nono:

[Kris P Lettus]

I guess I am to understand that I shouldnt be excited about the top free agent landing on my team.

I was saying this:

<font color=goldenrod>RIP Mario Williams' career</font> :shifty:

Not that you shouldn't be pumped..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants sign former Redskins safety Chris Horton. No idea who that is. They also have former Cowboys WR Kevin Ogletree in for a visit. Obviously they seem some potential in the division rivals' rejects.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Titans sign Steve Hutchinson. Could help tempt Peyton.</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Raven's LB Jameel McClain visiting Denver tomorrow.

Dro, as best you can gimme an unbiased report, if you could

[FearedSanctity]

Elway and Bowlen's plane leave for Manning in Raleigh in an hour and a half. Mort reports Peyton will work out for the team

[Skippord]

but that doesn't make them the favorite apparently

[Next Big Thing]

Do the Titans give Manning a better chance of winning a Super Bowl than the Broncos?

I didn't think the Titans would even be in the running, but on paper the teams are almost even. He'd probably have an easier time winning the division in the AFC West, but outside of Houston, he wouldn't have much to worry about in the AFC South either.

[Kris P Lettus]

He has a better chance of winning an Super Bowl in Denver..

[Nark Order]

Alright, officially bored of the Manning stuff. Especially if after all of this drama he goes to a team that has already been talked to death about for the last year. Was hoping he'd make Miami or Tennessee relevant again.

[Kris P Lettus]

The entire NFL is on hold until he makes a decision.. What will the Cards do with Kolb?? Where Flynn will go?? Even down to WR's and RB's..

Crazy..

(Flynn to the Dolphins but you know what I'm saying)

[Ermaximus]

I see Miami having a QB problem on day 1. If they keep dragging their feet, Flynn is going to go elsewhere and Miami will be seriously SOL. Then again, I could see them taking Tanehill in the draft.

[Kris P Lettus]

Nah, they're gonna get Flynn with their new HC being the former Pack OC..

[Innovator]

Steve Weatherford ‏ @Weatherford5 Close
I'm looking forward to representing the NEW YORK GIANTS for the next 5 years. @giants thank you to our fans for making it an easy decision!

[Kris P Lettus]

Since the start of free agency, we’ve seen the New Orleans Saints tied to linebackers Curtis Lofton, David Hawthorne, Joe Mays and Chris Chamberlain.

That has led to rampant speculation that the team will release veteran middle linebacker Jonathan Vilma.

But, citing league sources, Mike Triplett reports that the team has no plans to release Vilma. But it’s obvious the Saints are planning to do something to shake up their linebacker corps. They’re letting top reserve Jo-Lonn Dunbar test free agency. They still have veteran outside linebacker Scott Shanle, and have high hopes for second-year pro Martez Wilson. And they put a restricted tender on Jonathan Casillas.

The report the Saints don’t plan to release Vilma brings up several other scenarios. They could be expecting him to serve a suspension, because his name has surfaced with allegations that he was deeply involved in the team’s bounty program.

Even if Vilma isn’t suspended, the team might be looking to simply get deeper at linebacker. Vilma is about to turn 30, and he missed five games with a knee injury last season. The Saints could ask Vilma to take a backup role in the middle, or switch to the outside.

But, if Vilma is indeed staying, don’t be surprised if the Saints try to restructure his contract. At the moment, his cap figure is $7.6 million. The Saints have some cap issues, and they could free up $3.68 million by releasing Vilma. If they’re keeping him and bringing in other linebackers, they’ll need to clear at least some of Vilma’s cap space.

They need to keep Dunbar..

[Skippord]

I am watching a van full of Broncos personal driving to Duke to watch Peyton Manning work out

my life has taken a dark dark turn

[CSL]

49ers are the third team in contention for Peyton

[Skippord]

and I'm off to buy a Brandon Weeden jersey and kill myself

[ClockShot]

Alex Smith had himself a hell of a season. Dunno why the Niners all of a sudden got an interest in Peyton Manning.

I'm worried. Hoping Elway and Bowlen throw a better offer at the guy and bring him in. The stress is killing me.

[Kris P Lettus]

As far as him getting another ring, SF is def his best bet..

[FearedSanctity]

I'm sorry Narc but if you steal Peyton from me we can't be TPWW friends anymore

[Kris P Lettus]

Alex Smith had himself a hell of a season. Dunno why the Niners all of a sudden got an interest in Peyton Manning.


If you eat 6 turds and one of them happens to taste like steak, would you continue to eat turds??

If the 9ers got Manning they'd be the def favorite to win the SB this year even with the harder schedule..

[Skippord]

how the fuck did the 49ers get to North Carolina and watch a workout without anyone knowing until today?

[Kris P Lettus]

The KY makes them slippery..

[Nark Order]

HOLY I JUST WHAT IS.

[Evil Vito]

Steve Weatherford ‏ @Weatherford5 Close
I'm looking forward to representing the NEW YORK GIANTS for the next 5 years. @giants thank you to our fans for making it an easy decision!

YES! :love: Fucking love that guy.

[Kris P Lettus]

No idea why the Saints released him..

[Skippord]

Chronicle Sports ‏ <s>@</s>chroniclesports (https://twitter.com/#%21/chroniclesports) Elway, Fox, Manning and Co are leaving now. Manning did not throw a pass today. Odd development


:wtf:

[Innovator]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Close
Jets announced they have agreed to principle on a contract with WR Chaz Schilens.

I read that and thought it was Chaz Bono.

[Skippord]

John Elway ‏ <s>@</s>johnelway (https://twitter.com/#%21/johnelway) We enjoyed visiting with Peyton today in N.C. He threw the ball great and looked very comfortable out there.


I retract my WTF smiley face

[Gonzo]

YES! :love: Fucking love that guy.

Yeah he is the man.

[Nark Order]

Former 49ers quarterback Steve Young emphatically backed the 49ers’ pursuit of Peyton Manning, and vice versa. Young, now an ESPN analyst, had this to say on “SportsCenter” today:
“Really smart. Trent Baalke did the research and Jim Harbaugh threw with Peyton Manning. They didn’t get on the front pages.
“They know that they’re the best answer for Peyton Manning. They know they have the best defense in the league to offer. They know they have the offensive weapons. They know they have a plan. They know they have Jim Harbaugh. They know all the things are in place for a guy like Peyton Manning.
“It is the best opportunity for Peyton Manning. They knew it and they waited until all the wannabes kind of exhausted themselves, then they came in right at the end, and that’s probably why they will land him at this point. Unless somebody does something unusual. Or maybe Peyton is looking for something different than I think.
“But I know Peyton Manning is looking for a team to join now, and win a division now, and go to a Super Bowl now. And that’s the San Francisco 49ers.”

[Boomer]

I have no idea what the Falcons are doing. Just re-signing everyone except our top tackler, and picking up a bunch of value propositions that might fail entirely.

[Nark Order]

I've decided that if Peyton Manning doesn't sign with the San Francisco 49ers, he's a huge fucking asshole.

[Skippord]

why would you play in the dank sewer that is San Francisco when you can live in beautiful Nashville, Tennesee?

[Nark Order]

Because I don't want that and I feel like Peyton Manning owes me something.

[Nark Order]

Also, have you ever been to San Francisco? One of the most beautiful cities in North America. Just every once in awhile you have to tolerate a homeless black man defecating in the street.

[Skippord]

the Titans GM tweeted almost the exact same statement on seeing Peyton Manning as John Elway did

I think he may be forcing them to join a cult

[Supreme Olajuwon]

or give him oral sex

[Kris P Lettus]

I hope Mike Tolbert goes to the Steelers..

[Requiem]

Pretty stupid how any time there is a new statement from any of the teams interested in Manning, they're suddenly at the top of the list. NFL.com has that stupid stockwatch image with various team images on it, and every single time a new statement is made.. even if it's just saying that they watched him throw, or that there was a meeting, suddenly that team is highest on the stockwatch. :roll:

That said, hope he goes to the 49ers.

[James Steele]

While I understand why Peyton Manning would go to San Francisco, he would go on my temporary shitlist until his retirement.

[Nark Order]

Oh. You wacky Cowboys fans and your hatred of the red and gold. Let's call a collective truce at least until BOTH teams are relevant again. :(

[Skippord]

Kevin Lynch ‏ <s>@</s>klynch4 (https://twitter.com/#%21/klynch49)9 (https://twitter.com/#)
The 49ers offered Smith a three-year $24 million deal according to a source.


hope this is true/Alex Smith is not a retard and signs it

[James Steele]

Oh. You wacky Cowboys fans and your hatred of the red and gold. Let's call a collective truce at least until BOTH teams are relevant again. :(

Y'all fucked up and were relevant last year. I will be a miserable and bitter piece of shit until either Jerry Jones pulls his head out of his ass or dies. I think I know which one will happen first. At least we can all agree that the Steelers are pieces of shit, right?

[Crimson]

I miss hating the Niners. I remember being worried everytime Cowboys would play em

[Hanso Amore]

Kevin Lynch ‏ <s>@</s>klynch4 (https://twitter.com/#%21/klynch49)9 (https://twitter.com/#)
The 49ers offered Smith a three-year $24 million deal according to a source.


hope this is true/Alex Smith is not a retard and signs it

I guess the market is down, but 8 million a year for him seems a bit low. I mean Fitzpatrick and Kolb get 10...

[FearedSanctity]

But that's mostly because the Bills and Cardinals are retarded

[Droford]

the Titans GM tweeted almost the exact same statement on seeing Peyton Manning as John Elway did

I think he may be forcing them to join a cult

The Meat Cutters?

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/cedarpoint13/cutthatmeatrk4.gif

[Emperor Smeat]

Bills were stupid for doing it mid-season since Fitz lost all real interest to play.

At least for the Cards, the bigger problem was Kolb's guaranteed bonus more than his yearly salary. They were willing to toss Kolb had Manning made his decision earlier but the due date for the bonus got too close for them to risk out loosing both Manning and Kolb.

The longer Manning stalls, the more it hurts Flynn who was supposed to be the #1 free agent QB until the Colts dropped Manning.

[Droford]

I hate to think how much Flacco will get if Alex Smith can get $8 million.

[CSL]

lol uh huh because Joe Flacco is so much better than Alex Smith

[Skippord]

hey Joe Flacco is worth at least 40 dollars

[Skippord]

then again I would put odds on the Broncos drafting Brandon Weeden in the first round this year

[CSL]

Brady Quinn signs with the Chiefs

[CSL]

Pats sign Brandon Lloyd

[Droford]

lol uh huh because Joe Flacco is so much better than Alex Smith
He's way better than Alex Smith.

[CSL]

clearly

[Droford]

I dont see the Ravens trying to replace Flacco with a 36 year old one hit away from being retired QB with a sub .500 playoff record.

[Skippord]

Joe Flacco is better than Peyton Manning!!!!

[Skippord]

also I think that's just a sign that the 49ers are smarter than the Ravens

[Emperor Smeat]

Pats sign Brandon Lloyd

Pats slowly beefing up their WR core especially adding him along with Anthony Golzalez from the Colts. Probably means Dieon Branch is gone and maybe Ocho.

Still need to address the defense more than the offense and the issue of Welker still not signed yet.

[Nark Order]

Or you know... A four time MVP.

But I suppose nobody really takes Droford seriously as a human being anyway. Every day he doesn't say something stupid, I kill a kitten. So far the collective pussy of the area has been relatively safe.

[Skippord]

the collective pussy of Droford's area is also safe

[Nark Order]

HEYO

[CSL]

I dont see the Ravens trying to replace Flacco with a 36 year old one hit away from being retired QB with a sub .500 playoff record.

yup, they couldn't at all have been one of the 12-16 teams that inquired about him as soon as he became available

[Droford]

Or you know... A four time MVP.

But I suppose nobody really takes Droford seriously as a human being anyway. Every day he doesn't say something stupid, I kill a kitten. So far the collective pussy of the area has been relatively safe.

Theres no way in hell that the Peyton Manning that signs with some team soon is of any close resemblence to the 4 time MVP Peyton Manning.

[Nark Order]

That's actually very possible, in hell or otherwise.

[Next Big Thing]

Pretty stupid how any time there is a new statement from any of the teams interested in Manning, they're suddenly at the top of the list. NFL.com has that stupid stockwatch image with various team images on it, and every single time a new statement is made.. even if it's just saying that they watched him throw, or that there was a meeting, suddenly that team is highest on the stockwatch. :roll:

That said, hope he goes to the 49ers.

I agree. Watching Mortensen and Schefter blow smoke up people's asses and basically take information that is basic, make common sense assumptions and then try to spin it as if it's some inside scoop is hilarious.

[Droford]

yup, they couldn't at all have been one of the 12-16 teams that inquired about him as soon as he became available


Despite missing all of last season following a series of neck procedures, Manning is expected to draw significant interest from several teams (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/54691/where-will-peyton-manning-land-2)across the league.
Just don’t expect the Ravens to be one of them.
The thought that the Ravens would go after 35-year-old Manning while they have Joe Flacco on the roster is laughable to General Manager Ozzie Newsome.
Literally.
Newsome was asked at the Combine whether the Ravens would have interest in Manning, and he couldn’t keep a straight face.
“Joe’s under contract for a year and we’ve already gone on record to say Joe Flacco will be our quarterback. If he does get hurt then we like Tyrod Taylor,” Newsome said.
The reporter then followed up with, “So no Manning?”
Newsome just laughed, and moved on to the next question.
Flacco has started every game for the Ravens since coming into the league in 2008, and won more games during his first four years than any other quarterback in NFL history. The Ravens are committed to Flacco and currently trying to work out a long-term deal with him (http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/03/07/late-for-work-37-flacco-birk-talks-about-to-enter-next-phase/)before the start of next season.


I doubt that Ozzie Newsome ever bothered calling his agent or anyone..

[James Steele]

Or you know... A four time MVP.

But I suppose nobody really takes Droford seriously as a human being anyway. Every day he doesn't say something stupid, I kill a kitten. So far the collective pussy of the area has been relatively safe.

the collective pussy of Droford's area is also safe

HEYO

http://fringebowlteamblog.com/images/the_rock_clap_clap_gif.gif

[Nark Order]

Ben Roethlisberger breaks his entire skeleton like twice a week and he's still better than Joe Flacco.

[James Steele]

Droford, I do think Flacco is a talented individual but don't you think the Ravens' success has a lot more to do with the defense and running game than the vaunted QB and the lethal laseresque passing attack?

[Next Big Thing]

Looks like the Dirty Birds won't be making any headlines this year. Oh well. Glad Abraham is coming back at least.

[Next Big Thing]

Droford, I do think Flacco is a talented individual but don't you think the Ravens' success has a lot more to do with the defense and running game than the vaunted QB and the lethal laseresque passing attack?

People always talk up the Ravens D and running game over the last 12 years just so they can avoid giving Trent Dilfer the respect he deserves as a Super Bowl winning quarterback and icon of the game.

[Nark Order]

'Icon' might be a bit strongly worded.

[Next Big Thing]

I almost used 'God,' but thought that might be better reserved for the likes of Doug Flutie.

[CSL]

I doubt that Ozzie Newsome ever bothered calling his agent or anyone..

uh huh, him laughing off the question without answering is definitely proof positive

[screech]

I'd love to have Manning.

[Next Big Thing]

Patriots adding Brandon Lloyd and Anthony Gonzalez is big.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yup, they couldn't at all have been one of the 12-16 teams that inquired about him as soon as he became available

Hmm. Let's speculate. Keep in mind that I haven't been following this much at all so if something was reported, correct me and I will call you a name while fixing my error.

Teams that definitely didn't inquire about Manning:


Patriots
Chargers
Steelers
Giants
Lions
Packers
Saints
Panthers
Colts


Teams that probably didn't inquire about Manning:

Falcons
Cowboys
Bengals
Bears
Eagles



So that's 14 teams out of 32 that I would confidently cross off the list. That leaves 18 mystery teams remaining for 12-16 spots. Were the Ravens one of those teams that didn't call? I dunno, Droford. You're a gambling man/addict. Would you take those odds?

[Nark Order]

Mario Manningham to the 9ers. Sweet mother of god.

[James Steele]

Jesus...Big Dick Harbaugh will not be denied.

[FearedSanctity]

Alex Smith visiting Miami. Harbaugh setting himself up for a potentially huge disaster if he loses both Manning and Smith

[Next Big Thing]

Alex Smith visiting Miami. Harbaugh setting himself up for a potentially huge disaster if he loses both Manning and Smith

My sources tell me that Alex Smith is exploring his options in case San Francisco signs Peyton Manning.

[FearedSanctity]

Well duh. It'd just be hilarious if they offered him a ridiculous contract and he signed anyway, and then Manning signs with Den/Tenn. Just going from YEEEEEAH SUPER BOWL to FUCK WE NEED A QB in a few days would be amazing

[Next Big Thing]

I got what you were saying. I was making fun of the "insiders" who try to turn every piece of news into some kind of scoop.

[FearedSanctity]

Damn, my bad then.

Shit is pretty ridiculous though. My new favorite part is how when everyone found out Manning was going to Tennessee yesterday to throw yesterday they all assumed OMG TITANS ARE THE FAVORITE BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO THEM!!! when in reality he just did it because he was in the area for his anniversary, which he was spending in the Smoky Mountains

[Droford]

Hmm. Let's speculate. Keep in mind that I haven't been following this much at all so if something was reported, correct me and I will call you a name while fixing my error.

Teams that definitely didn't inquire about Manning:


Patriots
Chargers
Steelers
Giants
Lions
Packers
Saints
Panthers
Colts


Teams that probably didn't inquire about Manning:

Falcons
Cowboys
Bengals
Bears
Eagles



So that's 14 teams out of 32 that I would confidently cross off the list. That leaves 18 mystery teams remaining for 12-16 spots. Were the Ravens one of those teams that didn't call? I dunno, Droford. You're a gambling man/addict. Would you take those odds?

Another reason I know why they didnt bother calling is because they're only about $8 million under the cap and they still have all the draft picks to sign and a couple FA's. No way they could afford him.

[Nark Order]

So, they didn't call Manning to replace Flacco because they couldn't afford him. You could've just said that, Droford.

Jesus fucking... Ugh. You are seriously hopeless.

[CSL]

Alex Smith to visit Seattle tomorrow. hmmm.

[Nark Order]

God damnit, Peyton needs to make his decision like today. HE'S TEARING US ALL APART!

[Next Big Thing]

I thought it was strange that Smith wasn't re-signed or testing the market like other big names. I know he has the same agent as Peyton and maybe he should consider new representation due to the conflict of interest there.

If teams are interested in backups like Flynn this year and Kolb last year based on just a few games (literally 2 in Flynn's case), you'd think Smith would be able to drive a pretty good bargain of his own based on what he did as an actual starter last year. Plus when you compare his last three seasons to those of guys who got extensions like Sanchez and Fitzpatrick, he's just as good if not better.

That being said, now that the Niners have been revealed as the "super secret third team," Smith will probably be the biggest winner in free agency. If the Niners miss out on Manning, they'll definitely be willing to overpay to bring Smith back and if Peyton goes to San Francisco, I think whoever between Miami and Seattle doesn't get the next big bust that will be Matt Flynn will be dejected and desperate enough to pay Smith big money to come there.

[Emperor Smeat]

Miami is currently interested in Flynn and Smith right now after loosing out on the Manning Sweepstakes. David Gerrard right now is plan D for Miami in case they lose out on Flynn, Smith, and Manning.

Smith will be dropping his agent because the same agent also handles Peyton and either he felt the agent wouldn't get him the best deal or would be too busy with Manning to even try.

Doesn't look like Flynn wants Miami so probably Seattle is his best option right now. Miami wanted to sign him once Manning rejected them but he held out either to see what Manning gets for a deal or didn't like the overall quality Miami currently has.

[Skippord]

since the Broncos do not want Tim Tebow apparently I would be totally fine with Alex Smith if Peyton doesn't come here

would prefer Tebow though

[Skippord]

think he'll end up signing with Seattle or back with San Fran though

[Next Big Thing]

John Clayton said yesterday there was a rumor going around that if the Broncos got Manning, the Patriots would try to trade for Tebow since Josh McDaniels was the one that drafted him and Belichick is intrigued by the idea of grooming Tebow into Brady's successor while using him in some kind of hybrid H-back role in the mean time. Kind of makes sense and could be a good fit.

Probably nothing to it, but interesting to think about.

[Nark Order]

By the way, Peyton Manning is a huge fucking asshole for leaving 3 teams hanging like this for so long. Everyone is missing out on free agents left and right because of this shithead.

[Emperor Smeat]

John Clayton said yesterday there was a rumor going around that if the Broncos got Manning, the Patriots would try to trade for Tebow since Josh McDaniels was the one that drafted him and Belichick is intrigued by the idea of grooming Tebow into Brady's successor while using him in some kind of hybrid H-back role in the mean time. Kind of makes sense and could be a good fit.

Probably nothing to it, but interesting to think about.

Rather would have Mallett as the future after Brady but Tebow could work out really well as a bridge between the succession and giving Mallett more time to develop.

This all assumes Tebow doesn't become a pure passer and Mallett's potential stays on track to be a potential Brady-like QB.

[Droford]

God damnit, Peyton needs to make his decision like today. HE'S TEARING US ALL APART!

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3278/kggdd.gif

[Skippord]

Matt Flynn is a Seahawk for 10 million guaranteed dollars

have yet to run across the full contract

[Skippord]

Adam Schefter ‏ <s>@</s>AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/#%21/AdamSchefter)

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Filed to ESPN: Matt Flynn has agreed to terms witj Seattle on a 3-yr contract worth up to $26M w/$10M guaranteed.


here it is

[Crimson]

Poor Dolphins, they're gonna suck

[Kris P Lettus]

I just really hope Manning stays in the AFC..

[OssMan]

Proofread your fucking tweets Adam Schefter.

[OssMan]

Who is matt flynn

[Triple Naitch]

Would rather see the Dolphins hold out for Matt Barkley next year than sign Matt Flynn.

[Next Big Thing]

Is the Dolphins owner off-putting or something? That team has gotten shafted by every coach and free agent they speak to.

[Crimson]

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3278/kggdd.gif

Lebron was a babyface before the decision. Peyton doing the same thing would be awesome

[FearedSanctity]

Warning: The following is a tweet from Incarcerated Bob. I know those that know about IB have varying opinions on him, so put as much stock in it as you wish. Though to be fair, the last time he reported a deal between Manning and Denver he was right, as Lombardi and Klis later confirmed. A deal was reached, and then Bud Adams forced the Titans into things....


Incarcerated Bob ‏ @incarceratedbob
**BREAKING NFL NEWS**Source: Broncos have WON the Peyton Manning sweepstakes!!! (His decision has been finalized announcement within 48Hrs)

[Splaya]

Lebron was a babyface before the decision. Peyton doing the same thing would be awesome

What if he took his talents to south beach :shifty:

[FearedSanctity]

If the Manning report is true, combined with the news that the Fins are offering Smith $8mil per year, it may be time for the Kaepernick Era in SF!

[Skippord]

I hope Kaepernick does get to start there even if Peyton doesn't come here

seems like a good dude

[Nark Order]

Kaepernick is my homie.

[Nark Order]

Matt Flynn to the Seahawks.

Niners are sooo fucked if they don't get Peyton or Smith. Ugh.

[James Steele]

:rofl:

#DontCountYourEggsBeforeTheyHatchYouWestCoastBayAreaBitches

[RP]

Colts will make the playoffs next year and Andrew Luck will be the 2nd coming of God.

[Ermaximus]

Narc, you can always sign David Garrard?

[Next Big Thing]

If that is true about Peyton to Denver, I can't wait to see what happens with Tebow. Still feel Smith will end up going back to San Francisco for more money than he would have got if they weren't outted for creeping with Peyton.

Manning is a home wrecking slut.

[FearedSanctity]

Per Schefter and Mortensen, Manning is a Bronco!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yep, it's the Broncos. Manning just told his agent to open negotiations with them.</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Time for an avatar switch I suppose

[Ermaximus]

So begins the Tebow watch. Where does he go now? Shad Khan must be jizzing his pants right now.

[Skippord]

PEYTON FUCKING MANNING

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

gotta find a new avatar

[Requiem]

Wouldn't doubt if half of this was a ploy from Elway to get people to forget about Tebow so he could get rid of him once and for all.

[Skippord]

I feel kind of weird celebrating the fact that Tim will be gone

but still Peyton Manning!!!!

[Skippord]

he chose Denver solely because of Eric Decker's unbelievable handsomeness

[FearedSanctity]

Demaryius probably threatened to stiff arm him if he didn't sign

[FearedSanctity]

Tebow should get traded to New England. He's exactly what Belichick looks for in players. White

[Skippord]

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[FearedSanctity]

Now trending worldwide on Twitter:

#TradeTebow
Poor Tebow
Broncos de Denver
#milehighmanning
Eric Decker
Demaryius Thomas
#RioQ
Vince Young
AFC West

[Skippord]

lol Vince Young?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

because now that Flynn and Manning are gone, the next best QBs available are Alex Smith and Vince Young

ewwww

[FearedSanctity]

Garrard is still out there too. Not much better though

[Ermaximus]

because now that Flynn and Manning are gone, the next best QBs available are Alex Smith and Vince Young

ewwww

And David Garrard....:shifty:

[FearedSanctity]

lol Titans original plan was to go hard after Mario Williams, then Bud Adams demanded they go all in on Peyton. Fucked his team over pretty hard

[Ermaximus]

I'd say so. The AFC South will be Houston's division to lose for several years now.

[FearedSanctity]

A Manning led no huddle offense in Denver would be amazing

[Nark Order]

What a fucking asshole.

[RoXer]

Why would they get rid of Tebow? They're going to be up shit creek without a QB in about 4 years if they do.

[FearedSanctity]

Save this post: Julius Thomas is about to go the fuck off on the NFL

[FearedSanctity]

Why would they get rid of Tebow? They're going to be up shit creek without a QB in about 4 years if they do.

They won't keep Tim because for whatever reason they don't realize that calls to START TEBOW stop when there's actually a good QB in front of him. Orton and Quinn aren't that far either way from Tebow's level so OF COURSE people we're calling for him. No one will be saying a damn thing when Manning is consistently tossing TDs, throwing for 300+ yards and NOT bouncing passes into receivers ankles like Orton did

Manning can quiet TEBOWMANIA in Denver, it doesn't have to kill it entirely. But they want it to

[Triple Naitch]

Damn, gonna miss Tebow. :'( But fucking Peyton!

[Nark Order]

This was a mistake if you ask me, but I'm clearly biased here. Seems like Peyton just didn't want to have to face his brother in the playoffs. 9ers would've given him a better chance at a ring.

But now the 9ers might be fucked cause Peyton took so long to make a decision. Alex Smith may be signing with Miami any moment.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nah I bet he signed with them because the coaches were like "Hey look how we changed our offense for this other bum. You can basically write your own playbook."

[FearedSanctity]

Probably more a clash of personalities and styles more than anything, Narc. Peyton's gonna want to do things HIS way with HIS guys. Harbaugh doesn't seem like the kinda guy to just give control up. Not to mention the 9ers barely have the cash to sign Peyton, let alone any of his friends

[Nark Order]

Yeah, I didn't really think about that, to be honest. He might be running the show.

[Crimson]

Alex Smith sucks anyway,Niners should hope he does sign with Miami

[FearedSanctity]

When you're begging for Alex Smith to be your QB, your offseason has not gone well

[FearedSanctity]

http://i.imgur.com/hty84.gif

I wish I could avatar this

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I dunno, I think San Fran could do pretty much the same thing they did with Smith last year with a guy like Brandon Weeden or Kirk Cousins this year.

[Nark Order]

This Alex Smith debacle is all Alex's fault anyhow. He had a deal on the table that he didn't sign and now he might be fucked. I'm good with having Alex and I'm good with trying a different option, but let's figure it out today.

[Shaggy]

Wow so ive loved the Denver Broncos most of my life...but hated Manning for most of it aswell...

This is one of those situations that would blow up a robots brain...

What the hell an I suppose to do now?

[Nark Order]

I'm almost fine with just using Kaepernick and using that QB money on something else.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Oh right they drafted a QB last year. Forgot about that.

[Nark Order]

We might be able to sign Smith for relatively cheap and go after Mike Wallace. That would be wonderful.

[Hanso Amore]

Something is wrong with the NFL. Guys signing big money deals in Buffalo, Manning not on the colts, and apparently the Dolphins cant get anyone to take their money and come live in Miami....

What the shit?

[Hanso Amore]

We might be able to sign Smith for relatively cheap and go after Mike Wallace. That would be wonderful.

I dont think he works with SF. Smith doesnt have the arm to make it worth what it will costs to bring him in. He is an amazing deepo threat. But Alex Smith's arm strength is similar to Ryan Fitzpatrick...

[Ermaximus]

Something is wrong with the NFL. Guys signing big money deals in Buffalo, Manning not on the colts, and apparently the Dolphins cant get anyone to take their money and come live in Miami....

What the shit?

Yeah, you know something is wrong when people would rather play football in Jacksonville than Miami.

[Kris P Lettus]

So glad he is staying in the AFC..

[Emperor Smeat]

Miami probably will lose out on him as well but I could see Tebow potentially going to the Dolphins if Denver gets rid of him.

They already have a Wildcat-like offense in place which would help him for the short term although the biggest drawback is everyone else in the division already broke Miami's Wildcat so it won't have a huge impact like it did last year for Denver.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Broncos have a road game @ New England this season. Wondiferous!

[FearedSanctity]

http://i.imgur.com/WBD4j.jpg

[Hanso Amore]

Miami probably will lose out on him as well but I could see Tebow potentially going to the Dolphins if Denver gets rid of him.

They already have a Wildcat-like offense in place which would help him for the short term although the biggest drawback is everyone else in the division already broke Miami's Wildcat so it won't have a huge impact like it did last year for Denver.

Not really. Williams and brown, their Wildcat backs left before last year, and they didnt really run any Wildcat plays with Bush and Thomas.

Add in the fact they just added a whole new coaching staff and system, and Im not sure your assessment holds any water.

[CSL]

Stallworth back to Patriots, Robert Gallery to the Patriots, LaRon Landry and his Brock Lesnar physique to the Jets

[CSL]

Denver Mannings starting to take shape, Brandon Stokely "expected to sign", Jeff Saturday scheduled for a visit

[DaveBrawl]

Really hope they don't dump Tebow. So excited to have Manning though.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tebow HAS to go now.

[ClockShot]

A hell of a few days for me. First Pettitte returns to the Yankees, and now the Broncos get Peyton Manning. Could it get any better?

Oh, and Mr. Tebow...........



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[Droford]

The Broncos have a road game @ New England this season. Wondiferous!

They also play the ravens in Baltimore.

[DaveBrawl]

Tebow HAS to go now.

Not really, Manning isn't officially signed yet so this whole thing could very well fall apart. Plus he has no really better options unless NE does want him, so he may not make a fuss over it.

[McLegend]

I still think The Broncos are the wrong team.

Cardinals and 49ers in that order were the best teams to go to.

[Droford]

Arizona Cardinals: We can only get to the Super Bowl with washed up QBs like Kurt Warner.

[Next Big Thing]

Garrard signed with the Dolphins.

[Krimzon7]

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Peyton Manning.

[Krimzon7]

I hope that, years from now, we are able to look back at the woeful Broncos, and call this move as the worst in their history. And I want to call this the Teebow effect/curse/wrath upon Denver

[RP]

Whatev

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I hope that, years from now, we are able to look back at the woeful Broncos, and call this move as the worst in their history. And I want to call this the Teebow effect/curse/wrath upon Denver

Getting rid of an overrated, self-righteous, attention whore QB for one of the greatest regular season QB's of all time? Yeah I don't see how that could blow up in their face.

[Krimzon7]

Getting rid of an overrated, self-righteous, attention whore QB for one of the greatest regular season QB's of all time? Yeah I don't see how that could blow up in their face.

this is the guy you're bringing in to win a championship? :nono:

[DrA]

He can win championships. Maybe not now.

[DrA]

Free agency is stupid for the most part. Every once in a while you get a Drew Brees to New Orleans deal, or a situation like Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Steve Hutchinson to Philadelphia/New England/Seattle where a team had everything thing else together, along perhaps with a few other subtle things, but what you usually end up with are the same over-hyped rosters. Peyton Manning to Denver could be a game changer (ie Denver losing in the AFC Championship game), but I doubt Buffalo, for example, is really that much better off with Mario Williams. More often than not it's downhill once a player goes to a new team, especially if they're veterans that have been in the league a few years. It mostly affects the teams that lose players, or makes a mediocre team slightly above average because they signed Matt Schaub.

Kicker/punter/special teams tends to be the exception I guess, although even that is hit or miss.

[DrA]

It's fun to talk about though so whatever.

[Ermaximus]

Vito or Inno, fill me in about Aaron Ross because he's a Jaguar now.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>He's okay, but nothing special. He had a very solid rookie year but his production tailed after that - in fact he downright sucked for a few years. He was forced into a starting role last year because of Terrell Thomas' injury and he got exposed at times. He even got benched during one game because the Rams of all people were lighting him up.</font>

[Ermaximus]

Lovely. I'm guessing they're going to have him try to play opposite of Mathias. I don't like this idea.

[Innovator]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Close
Filed to ESPN: Denver and Petyon Manning reached agreement on a five-year, $96 million contract. Manning introduced as QB at 3 pm ET.

[Innovator]

He can be ok at times, but he takes bad routes to receivers. He had to play safety for a while in 2010 and was atrocious. He's a good nickel corner, but shouldn't really play above that.

[Corndad]

Sounds like Hines Ward to Retire Today

[OssMan]

another adam schefter twitter spelling error

[OssMan]

lol though. Find it hilarious how much John Elway hates Tim Tebow

[Droford]

The broncos won't win more than 9 games with their schedule the way it is..pats/ravens/falcons on road and saints/steelers/Texans at home..they will lose at least 4 of those 6.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If those are their tough games and they're going to lose 4 of them, then it sounds like they're going to go 12-4.

Not sure how your math gets you to 9.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Probably the same math that gets Joe Flacco to the Super Bowl.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

AKA it doesn't

[FearedSanctity]

lol, assuming 2012 teams will be exactly the same as 2011 teams and counting Ws 6 months before the season starts

[Kris P Lettus]

Vegas odds makers went from 50:1 to 10:1 for the Broncos to make the SuperBowl..

[Droford]

If those are their tough games and they're going to lose 4 of them, then it sounds like they're going to go 12-4.

Not sure how your math gets you to 9.

<table class="broncos"><tbody><tr><th>Home Games</th> <th>Away Games</th> </tr> <tr> <td>http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/kan.gif Kansas City Chiefs (7-9)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/oak.gif Oakland Raiders (8-8)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/sd.gif San Diego Chargers (8-8)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/cle.gif Cleveland Browns (4-12)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/pit.gif Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/hou.gif Houston Texans (10-6)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/no.gif New Orleans Saints (13-3)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/tam.gif Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)</td> <td>http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/kan.gif Kansas City Chiefs (7-9)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/oak.gif Oakland Raiders (8-8)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/sd.gif San Diego Chargers (8-8)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/bal.gif Baltimore Ravens (12-4)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/cin.gif Cincinnati Bengals (9-7)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/ne.gif New England Patriots (13-3)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/atl.gif Atlanta Falcons (10-6)
http://broncotalk.net/images/team_logos/car.gif Carolina Panthers (6-10)</td></tr></tbody></table>They only play 4 teams with sub .500 records last year. The Bucs are improving, and Id assume the chiefs healthy will be at least .500. Facing 7 of the 12 playoff teams from the previous year can't be easy.

[FearedSanctity]

http://c0014234.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b940a8a

[CSL]

presser live on NFL Network atm

[CSL]

Peyton has the shiniest forehead on Earth

[CSL]

it's a big bastard as well, looking like Ken Griffey Jr. in The Simpsons rn

[CSL]

http://www.walkoffwalk.com/griffey.simpsons.jpg

[Krimzon7]

A lot of good will come from this. You'll never see me cheer for a Bronco again. You'll never see me hate another team harder then I will hate the Broncos.

God Bless

[Emperor Smeat]

Vegas odds makers went from 50:1 to 10:1 for the Broncos to make the SuperBowl..

Wanted to check out the list of teams and surprisingly Denver is ranked #2 in the AFC in terms of odds.

Seems a bit too high especially when there is going to be concerns about the first hit Peyton takes.

They should be the favorites to win their division but can't see them as the #2 team in the AFC right now (Pats are #1 based on odds). Maybe 4th or potentially 5th depending on how the Texans play without Williams.

[Reavant]

A lot of good will come from this. You'll never see me cheer for a Bronco again. You'll never see me hate another team harder then I will hate the Broncos.

God Bless

calm down Skip Bayless

[Krimzon7]

calm down Skip Bayless

:lol: that's a good one.

Seriously, I hate to hear Elway sit up there and fellate Tebow like he's hurting to dump the kid. I would rather him be the cold businessman and just say we didnt want to win his way, we'd rather win MY way.

[Nark Order]

I'm almost over Peyton snubbing us, but damn. Sure seems like a dumb decision on his part, no matter how much I think about it. I know control was part of it, but jesus. He was almost guaranteed a playoff run every year.

[Gonzo]

Yeah...until you had to go to New York or New York had to come see you. :cool:

[Tom Guycott]

I think he wants the best chance for a ring before being forced to retire from one good defensive headhunt.

Also, not really sure if I would have been as excited as I should have been if Manning settled on San Fran. Defense needs a little more tweaking for someone with a suspect injury.

I say good for him going to Denver, but I stand by my words from before: as long as Tebow doesn't end up in a '9ers or a Browns uniform I'll be happy with this.

[Nark Order]

Hate these stories about Alex Smith's pride being hurt because SF went after Peyton. The only reason we went after Peyton is because Smith wouldn't sign the deal that was offered him like a week and a half beforehand. This is Alex's fault.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

this is the guy you're bringing in to win a championship? :nono:

Like Tebow was going to do that anyways? Fuck your daft. Tebow IS a shit NFL Quarterback. Nobody will want him unless it's as a back up/trick QB in the Wildcat/Runningback.

Broncos made it to the playoffs because of the Defense and Willis McGahee haven't a career revitalizing year. Tebow just sucked bad enough to make it a close call to make the playoffs.

Tebow Sucks. He shouldn't have even been a first round Draft pick either.

If you're mad cause you're a Colts fan. Get over it. The Colts cut him. Be mad at the Colts not Peyton or the Broncos.

[Droford]

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I'll always have a small spot in my heart for tebow just for that, even if it was more Thomas' effort on the play for the TD...

[Krimzon7]

Like Tebow was going to do that anyways? Fuck your daft. Tebow IS a shit NFL Quarterback. Nobody will want him unless it's as a back up/trick QB in the Wildcat/Runningback.

Broncos made it to the playoffs because of the Defense and Willis McGahee haven't a career revitalizing year. Tebow just sucked bad enough to make it a close call to make the playoffs.

Tebow Sucks. He shouldn't have even been a first round Draft pick either.

If you're mad cause you're a Colts fan. Get over it. The Colts cut him. Be mad at the Colts not Peyton or the Broncos.

For starters, I cannot mention enough that I am a Bengals fan, always have been. You cant help who you love. However ironic this fact may now seem, I'd Place a premium on quarterbacks who win fucking playoff games. This down syndrome having faggot cant do that. Losing record in the playoffs, extremely high turnover ratio in championship games. No matter how much you wanna dress up Peyton manning, the fact remains that he is NOT clutch in the playoffs.

And Tebow has a higher playoff winning percentage than peyton manning, he has as many game winning drives in the playoffs as Peyton, but the kid is shit(didn't he beat the number one defense that game?):roll:

Enjoy having Peyton manning, his 5,000 yards, his 13-3 record, his 30 TD's all season. But beware, when December comes he'll disappear, they will lose in the divisional round and who will you blame then?

[Krimzon7]

ALEX SMITH IS A 9er AGAIN

[Gonzo]

http://www.liquideggproduct.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/eli-manning-unstoppable.jpg

[Next Big Thing]

If you're the Jags or the Dolphins why not take Tebow? Especially if he's going for as cheap as a day 2 draft pick? They're bottom dwellers anyway and it's not like the quarterbacks they have under contract are going to be franchise cornerstones. They're playing for Matt Barkley anyways.

Tebow's got three years left on his deal. Worst case scenario, they sign him, make some money from ticket/jersey sales, he bombs those first two years, people jump off the bandwagon and said team ends up with high draft picks OR he does somehow turn the team around, and if he does that, maybe they should consider sticking with Tebow and the Spread offense.

[Emperor Smeat]

Peyton pushed for a special "neck injury" clause in his contract which helped pushed the amount to $96 million since each season he has to do a neck exam with $20 million per year guaranteed if he passes each year except the last 2 years. He can fail a regular physical for the first 3 years but the money will still be guaranteed until the final 2 years.

Denver also considering keeping Tebow but now you can include the Jets, Packers, Jags, and Dolphins to the list of teams who have shown some interest in a trade.

[Droford]

Tebow with the Jets ?

lol

they can't handle mark sanchez as their QB, theres no way ever they could handle Tebow.

[Hanso Amore]

Tebow would be eaten alive in NY.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Tebow in New York would probably be the greatest thing ever, win or lose.

[weather vane]

I want him in Miami. Gives me something to fucking root for.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

For starters, I cannot mention enough that I am a Bengals fan, always have been. You cant help who you love. However ironic this fact may now seem, I'd Place a premium on quarterbacks who win fucking playoff games. This down syndrome having faggot cant do that. Losing record in the playoffs, extremely high turnover ratio in championship games. No matter how much you wanna dress up Peyton manning, the fact remains that he is NOT clutch in the playoffs.

And Tebow has a higher playoff winning percentage than peyton manning, he has as many game winning drives in the playoffs as Peyton, but the kid is shit(didn't he beat the number one defense that game?):roll:

Enjoy having Peyton manning, his 5,000 yards, his 13-3 record, his 30 TD's all season. But beware, when December comes he'll disappear, they will lose in the divisional round and who will you blame then?

I'm a Patriot fan. So, I hope they do lose in the divisional round. I really don't care either way unless Tebow signs with us to carry Brady's towel.

I wish nothing but bad will on all teams not the Patriots, but Peyton Manning has the chance to make the Broncos a better team.

You refer to game winning drives, but what you meant was game ending winning drives. A winning drive is simply the drive where you score the points that win you the game. Also a Good QB doesn't get into that many game-ending drive opportunities cause he wins outright before the 3rd quarter is over. Of course i know I'm spoiled from having such an amazing QB, but whatever.

[Next Big Thing]

You refer to game winning drives, but what you meant was game ending winning drives. A winning drive is simply the drive where you score the points that win you the game. Also a Good QB doesn't get into that many game-ending drive opportunities cause he wins outright before the 3rd quarter is over. Of course i know I'm spoiled from having such an amazing QB, but whatever.

It's funny reading that because damn near half of John Elway's wins were game-ending drives.

[Skippord]

and a fair amount of Eli Manning's wins

[Next Big Thing]

May as well add Peyton too. He is 2nd all time in regular season comebacks and game ending drives. Dan Marino has the most. Bret Favre, Joe Montana and Tom Brady are also in the top 10 for game ending drives.

So much for that theory.

[Next Big Thing]

The great Trent Dilfer is 81st in game ending drives in case anyone is curious, but that's because he ended the game before it even began just by showing up and putting on his jockstrap.

[Krimzon7]

I'm a Patriot fan. So, I hope they do lose in the divisional round. I really don't care either way unless Tebow signs with us to carry Brady's towel.

I wish nothing but bad will on all teams not the Patriots, but Peyton Manning has the chance to make the Broncos a better team.

You refer to game winning drives, but what you meant was game ending winning drives. A winning drive is simply the drive where you score the points that win you the game. Also a Good QB doesn't get into that many game-ending drive opportunities cause he wins outright before the 3rd quarter is over. Of course i know I'm spoiled from having such an amazing QB, but whatever.

You are fortunate to have a great QB in Tom Brady. You and I are getting tangled in a matter of semantics. The sentiment is the same: manning doesn't get the job done in the playoffs(when it counts)