NFL 2013 Off-Season Thread

[road doggy dogg]

Jim Irsay's twitter account has secretly been one of the 5 best things about the internet over the past three years.

[Emperor Smeat]

Denver Broncos Pro Bowl linebacker Von Miller is facing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy, according to multiple sources.

[DaveBrawl]

Well that's not cool.

[DaveBrawl]

Which one is the substance abuse policy? Weed or PEDs? I get them mixed up.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Weed.</font>

[DaveBrawl]

Sadly that makes me feel better for some reason.

[FearedSanctity]

I hate my life

[Skippord]

you won't be saying that once Quanterus Smith starts wrecking fools next year

[road doggy dogg]

<font color=goldenrod>Ron Jaworski's annual QB rankings are terrible. No surprise there.</font>

Actually just read this. Flacco over Brees and Ryan is ROFL bad.

[Ermaximus]

Von Miller and Justin Blackmon must be really good friends.

[McLegend]

I don't know guys. Flacco over Brees and Ryan doesn't seem that ridiclious.

[James Steele]

Yes, it does. If you take Brees or Ryan off their teams - they go to shit. You could plug any average QB into the Ravens last year and they probably still win the Super Bowl. Just because you win a Super Bowl doesn't make you a QB God.

[McLegend]

How good were The Saints with Drew Brees this year?

[James Steele]

The offense wasn't the problem. That is like using Dan Marino's lack of championships to say he sucks. It is a very complex team sport, so you can't just use the teams holistic success to accurately measure an individual's ability or talent level.

[McLegend]

The Ravens defense this year was good, but it wasn't great.

[road doggy dogg]

Uhhh if you think the 2012 New Orleans Saints' problem was Drew Brees then I don't know what to tell ya bud.

[James Steele]

They got good when it mattered in the playoffs, and kept the offense in the games by causing turnovers. The Ravens were +8 in turnovers.

[James Steele]

The Broncos game and the 2nd half of the Super Bowl were exceptions, but they bowed their necks when it mattered in OT and the final minutes.

[James Steele]

I'm not saying Flacco sucks, but FFS he isn't a Top 5 QB or a Hall of Fame QB. He is a solid starting QB who was surrounded by a legitimate experienced defense and a legit force of a running game. Let's not forget about Boldin and Torrey Smith at WR. Pitta and Rice got a lot of catches too. This year will be the test for Joe Flacco because he lost his #1 WR and the defense is being rebuilt. They won't get extra possessions and he will have to complete more passes. Great QBs don't complete less than 60% of their throws.

Drew Brees IS the New Orleans Saints. Joe Flacco wasn't the identity of the Ravens. He might be now, and that is where the test will be.

[road doggy dogg]

Flacco is just a slightly less ugly (or uglier, I can't decide) Eli Manning. Compare Eli's 2011 playoff run with Flacco's 2012. Eli's was arguably better, and I don't see anybody sucking him off this year. Oh what, he had a bad 2012? So what happens when Flacco inevitably falls flat on his face this season? Will he still be a better QB than Brees? Get real

[McLegend]

If you give me the choice for my starting QB for 2013 and I have to chose between Ryan, Brees, and Flaaco. I'm going Matt Ryan, but I'm thinking hard about him over Flacco.

Drew Brees is on the downward end of his career, and he likes throwing to the other team.

[road doggy dogg]

In no order, QBs I'd take in 2013 over Flacco: Brees, Rodgers, Brady, P. Manning, Stafford, Wilson, Luck, RGIII, Newton, Romo, Roethlisberger, and Ryan. I could be talked into Cutler or Eli, probably Kaepernick too if I could punch that stupid smug look off his face as part of the deal. I'd say Flacco is pretty squarely average.

[James Steele]

:lol:

Really, McLegend? Really?


Joe Flacco: 317/531 (59.7% Completion), 3817yds (7.19 avg), 22 TD/10 INT, Longest Pass: 61yds

Drew Brees: 422/670 (63% Completion), 5177yds (7.73avg), 43 TD/19 INT, Longest Pass: 80yds

Matt Ryan: 422/655 (68.6% Completion), 4719yds (7.67avg), 32TD/14INT, Longest Pass: 80yds

You will throw more interceptions when you throw the ball more, have the shittiest defense in the NFL, and have the shitbird circus they had going on.

[McLegend]

I would strongly disagree with Stafford. He's not that good.

Also Cutler hasn't done anything in his career. He just has a good arm. That's the only thing he has.

I don't know what I'm getting with Romo. He's to up and down. Cam Newton's horrible 2nd season scares me.

I'm actually not going to disagree with the rookies. All promising futures.

I would take Rothlisbeger and Eli over Flacco to.

[James Steele]

A great QB does not complete less than 60% of his passes. FFS, 60% is considered the standard for high school QBs.

[McLegend]

:lol:

Really, McLegend? Really?


Joe Flacco: 317/531 (59.7% Completion), 3817yds (7.19 avg), 22 TD/10 INT, Longest Pass: 61yds

Drew Brees: 422/670 (63% Completion), 5177yds (7.73avg), 43 TD/19 INT, Longest Pass: 80yds

Matt Ryan: 422/655 (68.6% Completion), 4719yds (7.67avg), 32TD/14INT, Longest Pass: 80yds

You will throw more interceptions when you throw the ball more, have the shittiest defense in the NFL, and have the shitbird circus they had going on.
Yeah but what I'm saying if Flacco played in that system he would put up good numbers to.

[Emperor Smeat]

Flacco is good but no way he's Top 5 good yet like Jaws has for his list.

Flacco is getting the same QB hype Eli got after his 1st win being proclaimed as a great QB when it took Eli a few more years to really show it off.

[McLegend]

A great QB does not complete less than 60% of his passes. FFS, 60% is considered the standard for high school QBs.

I don't think Drew Brees is great anymore. We've seen the best of him.

[James Steele]

I would strongly disagree with Stafford. He's not that good.

Also Cutler hasn't done anything in his career. He just has a good arm. That's the only thing he has.

I don't know what I'm getting with Romo. He's to up and down. Cam Newton's horrible 2nd season scares me.

I'm actually not going to disagree with the rookies. All promising futures.

I would take Rothlisbeger and Eli over Flacco to.

Stafford and Cutler were on shit teams running for their lives. They both would excel with the tools Flacco has.

Romo is shit. Cam Newton will be just like Vince Young, only he'll have to give back his Heisman and National Championship ring eventually.

Big Ben and Eli are great QBs, but Ben should be in jail and Eli isn't better than Peyton.

[McLegend]

I always thought Eli Manning was good. Even prior to his Super Bowls.

He always scared the hell out of me.

[James Steele]

I don't think Drew Brees is great anymore. We've seen the best of him.

Drew Brees: 422/670 (63% Completion), 5177yds (7.73avg), 43 TD/19 INT, Longest Pass: 80yds

If that is downhill and not great, then Flacco is a never was.

[James Steele]

Yeah but what I'm saying if Flacco played in that system he would put up good numbers to.

No he wouldn't. He can't even complete 60% of his passes.

[Emperor Smeat]

In no order, QBs I'd take in 2013 over Flacco: Brees, Rodgers, Brady, P. Manning, Stafford, Wilson, Luck, RGIII, Newton, Romo, Roethlisberger, and Ryan. I could be talked into Cutler or Eli, probably Kaepernick too if I could punch that stupid smug look off his face as part of the deal. I'd say Flacco is pretty squarely average.

I'd put Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Peyton Manning, Ryan, Eli, and Roethlisberger ahead of Flacco right now.

The others are either debatable (Romo, Cutler), wait another season (Luck, Kap, Wilson, RG III) or behind him (Newton, Stafford).

[McLegend]

No he wouldn't. He can't even complete 60% of his passes.

If he played in that system with those receivers he would complete at least 60% of his passes.

[road doggy dogg]

I would strongly disagree with Stafford. He's not that good.

Also Cutler hasn't done anything in his career. He just has a good arm. That's the only thing he has.

I don't know what I'm getting with Romo. He's to up and down. Cam Newton's horrible 2nd season scares me.

I'm actually not going to disagree with the rookies. All promising futures.

I would take Rothlisbeger and Eli over Flacco to.


I'm still on the fence with Stafford. His upside interests me much more than Flacco's. Granted, he does own the most hollow 5,000 yard season in NFL history, but he's still only 25 and he has the best WR in the game to work with. Big things ahead.

Cutler is pretty meh. You basically know what you're getting with him. Unfortunately, since coming to Chicago he's had maybe 2 good offensive linemen his entire tenure. Honestly I think Cutler's much better when staying in the pocket, and with no protection he can't really do that at all. If Chicago had what could even be considered a below-average O-line Cutler would look a lot better than he has. I still think I'd take Flacco over him though.

Romo gets shit on way more than he should. For all the retards claiming he isn't clutch and a choker, they conveniently brush aside the fact that he lead the NFL in fourth-quarter comebacks last season (5).

Cam Newton plays on a shit team. He was the Panthers' leading rusher last year. Not bad for a "horrible" year eh? Quick, name me a WR on the Panthers not named 33 year old Steve Smith. Oh. Yeah. Cam still put up decent stats with a god-awful poorly-run team (their GM is one of the worst since Millen. Fun read: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8406098/the-roster-moves-made-panthers-gm-incompetent-best). Cam is one of those QBs that I don't know what I feel about. Part of being a great QB is having the physical tools, as well as the mental tools. Cam is physically beastlike but mentally I don't know if he has what it takes to be great. I could be talked into Flacco over him, but Cam's upside is pretty tempting.

The rookies all looked amazing last year. In Flacco's defense, he's been above-average/good for 4 seasons now, so he's got a better track record. Again, a case of incredible upside trumps consistency here for me.

[road doggy dogg]

No he wouldn't. He can't even complete 60% of his passes.

I'm as anti-Flacco as anybody, but you put him in Sean Payton's offense and he easily completes 60% of his passes. C'mon. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

[McLegend]

Drew Brees: 422/670 (63% Completion), 5177yds (7.73avg), 43 TD/19 INT, Longest Pass: 80yds

If that is downhill and not great, then Flacco is a never was.

That's not that impressive. I mean by the numbers it is impressive. Everyone puts up insane numbers now though. Then of course he had a horrible defense so he has to chuck it up all the time, and so he is going to have big numbers.

I think he is a fantasy QB who will put up good numbers even though I don't think he's not that good anymore.

He's just a stats guy.

[McLegend]

I'm still on the fence with Stafford. His upside interests me much more than Flacco's. Granted, he does own the most hollow 5,000 yard season in NFL history, but he's still only 25 and he has the best WR in the game to work with. Big things ahead.

Cutler is pretty meh. You basically know what you're getting with him. Unfortunately, since coming to Chicago he's had maybe 2 good offensive linemen his entire tenure. Honestly I think Cutler's much better when staying in the pocket, and with no protection he can't really do that at all. If Chicago had what could even be considered a below-average O-line Cutler would look a lot better than he has. I still think I'd take Flacco over him though.

Romo gets shit on way more than he should. For all the retards claiming he isn't clutch and a choker, they conveniently brush aside the fact that he lead the NFL in fourth-quarter comebacks last season (5).

Cam Newton plays on a shit team. He was the Panthers' leading rusher last year. Not bad for a "horrible" year eh? Quick, name me a WR on the Panthers not named 33 year old Steve Smith. Oh. Yeah. Cam still put up decent stats with a god-awful poorly-run team (their GM is one of the worst since Millen. Fun read: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8406098/the-roster-moves-made-panthers-gm-incompetent-best). Cam is one of those QBs that I don't know what I feel about. Part of being a great QB is having the physical tools, as well as the mental tools. Cam is physically beastlike but mentally I don't know if he has what it takes to be great. I could be talked into Flacco over him, but Cam's upside is pretty tempting.

The rookies all looked amazing last year. In Flacco's defense, he's been above-average/good for 4 seasons now, so he's got a better track record. Again, a case of incredible upside trumps consistency here for me.
Cutler's online have been horrible, and he has been in a bad offensive system to. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I feel like a good enough QB, (and maybe they have to be great so it might be unfair to Cutler this next statement) can make a bad offensive line good.

Manning and Brady never have bad lines, but I feel like if you put Cutler on their teams Cutler still gets sacked more than they do.

I hope Cutler does well, because I like his dickhead attitude, but I feel like at some point you are what you are. I know that's kind of ESPN statement, but I feel like there is some truth to it.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Would much rather have Eli than Flacco. Eli obviously has some games where he just looks flat out terrible, but when he's on he's capable of having a monster game. I'll never forget Week 3 against Carolina last year. Yeah the Panthers are bad, but Nicks didn't play and Cruz got double teamed all game. Eli just shrugged it off and made Ramses Barden of all people look like a million bucks. Felt like the game was over one drive in when it was just clear the good Eli had arrived.

And there are only a few guys I'd rather have than Eli in a close game. If the Giants are down by a score or two late I can never totally feel like it's over.</font>

[James Steele]

If he played in that system with those receivers he would complete at least 60% of his passes.

Don't act like the Ravens had a bad WR corp last year. I don't think Flacco would magically complete more balls just because Sean Payton was his coach. He had Payton Manning's OC and didn't put up those kind of numbers did he? If Brees and Flacco swapped places, Brees would be far more successful at his job.

[OssMan]

Is Flacco elite?

[road doggy dogg]

<font color=goldenrod>Would much rather have Eli than Flacco. Eli obviously has some games where he just looks flat out terrible, but when he's on he's capable of having a monster game. I'll never forget Week 3 against Carolina last year. Yeah the Panthers are bad, but Nicks didn't play and Cruz got double teamed all game. Eli just shrugged it off and made Ramses Barden of all people look like a million bucks. Felt like the game was over one drive in when it was just clear the good Eli had arrived.

And there are only a few guys I'd rather have than Eli in a close game. If the Giants are down by a score or two late I can never totally feel like it's over.</font>

That's what's so frustrating about watching Eli play sometimes. He shows flashes of brilliance where he makes throws that no other QB can make, but then he also has games where he'll go like 10-25 for <200 yards and look generally miserable. He's definitely gotten way better in recent years but one of my first impressions of him his first few seasons was how erratic and inconsistent he was.

I do think Eli has one of the highest upsides for brief moments, but I don't think he's consistently AT that level for me to really consider it his norm. If that makes sense? Whereas (in my eyes), someone like Rodgers has a very high upside, but he'll approach it say 75% of the time compared to maybe 40% for Eli (arbitrary numbers). I don't know.

[McLegend]

He wasn't calling plays for Payton Manning. Jim Caldwell did a good job for the Ravens though.

Jim Caldwell replaced Cam Cameron during the season, and might it have been it past the midpoint of the season. I don't know though. So there had to be some issues with the system.


Yes Flacco receivers were good this year. Now Anquin Bolden is a great Receiver, but he's never opened. Flacco constantly has to fit the ball into tight places just to get him. Then of course Boldin catches it because he is really good.

Also no ones throws a better deep ball then Flacco. I love it when he throws a bomb.

[McLegend]

Is Flacco elite?

Fantastic question...

Lets establish who is elite

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers

Would we add anyone to that list?

[road doggy dogg]

Don't act like the Ravens had a bad WR corp last year. I don't think Flacco would magically complete more balls just because Sean Payton was his coach. He had Payton Manning's OC and didn't put up those kind of numbers did he? If Brees and Flacco swapped places, Brees would be far more successful at his job.

To be fair, Flacco's play improved dramatically when Caldwell was brought in. I think he's shown irrefutable proof that his coach/OC/system can really affect his performance. Payton is, for my money, the best offensive mind in the league right now. You don't think he would have a positive impact on his quarterback? I don't buy it.


That being said, if we're taking all QBs at face value right now, part of the reason I rate Brees so highly is because of his situation he is in. Yeah, he's in his mid-30s and we've most likely seen the best season he'll put up (which, btw, is probably the best of all time), but 80% of Brees the past 7 years is still better than probably 28 QBs in the league. His skill-set is a lot like (Peyton) Manning's, where even with diminished arm strength he's still got an incredible ability to find holes in the defense and beat you on short/intermediate passes.

[James Steele]

Sean Payton didn't call plays for Drew Brees in 2012 and he still threw a shit-ton of TD passes.

He has shown for an extended period of time that he can be the heartbeat and catalyst for the Saints and lead them to lots of wins. Just because he is 34 doesn't mean you take him out behind the barn the first chance you get. 34 isn't as old as it used to be in the NFL.

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL @ legend

Think I heard that matt ryan signed a $100 mill 5 year extention with the dirty birds, is this true??

[Next Big Thing]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>We have nearly 200 Colts Cheerleader ALUMNI coming back for the Aug. 24 game halftime!!!!</p>&mdash; Jim Irsay (@JimIrsay) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimIrsay/statuses/360796851781378052">July 26, 2013</a></blockquote>
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For some reason I'm imagining bowls of cocaine and viagra in Irsay's suite following that halftime display.

[Next Big Thing]

LOL @ legend

Think I heard that matt ryan signed a $100 mill 5 year extention with the dirty birds, is this true??

Mort reported that they're finalizing it. I've been looking for some kind of image or banner to send you, but I haven't found the right one yet, so I'm just going to say "Suck it Kris P" and leave it at that for now.

[Nark Order]

I've done pretty well for myself writing off the Falcons every single year. They've never proven me wrong. I think I'll do the same this year.

[Next Big Thing]

Thanks Narc. Love you. I'm going to take the high road and say the 49ers will be damn good this year.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's still 6 weeks out but this is the time of the year when I really start getting amped up for football.

Biggest objective for the Giants in pre-season (besides getting out of there healthy, of course) is going to be figuring out who starts at linebacker. The unit as a whole looks pretty underwhelming, could be make it or break it for a guy like Herzlich.

I don't really see there being any competitions on the offensive side of the ball. Reporters are saying Justin Pugh will be given a chance to win the starting right tackle job, but Coughlin's been notorious for not throwing rookies right into the fire, and I think it will be a cold day in hell before he benches Diehl.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Meanwhile in Eagles camp, Jeremy Maclin tore his ACL.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

Maclin done for the season. Crushing for the Eagles.

Dennis Pitta dislocated his hip too. Saying he'll miss at least the season opener.

[McLegend]

He is glass.

[Kris P Lettus]

https://sphotos-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/374454_671887052824996_1376668909_n.jpg

[Nark Order]

Its also only business when Justin Smith eats Drew Brees whole and digests him over 1000 years like the Pit of Sarlak ;)

[Kris P Lettus]

Mort reported that they're finalizing it. I've been looking for some kind of image or banner to send you, but I haven't found the right one yet, so I'm just going to say "Suck it Kris P" and leave it at that for now.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s403x403/944278_670733856273649_1402708013_n.jpg

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Schefter now saying Pitta might be out for the entire season.</font>

[screech]

:(

[OssMan]

fuck adam schefter

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Ravens sign Visanthe Shiancoe to try and cover for the loss of Pitta, though I'd imagine Ed Dickson now moves up to starting TE.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Broncos C Dan Koppen tears his ACL. Done for the year.

Peyton Manning will be calling Jeff Saturday any minute now.</font>

[screech]

Pitta out, Visanthe Shiancoe in

[screech]

Vito got me good

[ClockShot]

Great, nothing like the ACL bug going around the camps this season.

[Evil Vito]

Eagles retire Donovan McNabb's number 5.

Feels weird for some reason since Philly fans seem to hate him, even though it shouldn't because he took them to the NFC Title game 5 times.

[ClockShot]

Cops got a better chance looking for the Hernandez murder weapon at Lake Compounce than at Pine Lake.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the VP of the refs, their might be a small unofficial crackdown on teams constantly using a high-tempo style offense for this year.

"We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do," NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino told The Wall Street Journal. "We're going through our normal ball mechanics, we aren't going to rush [unless] it's in the two minute drill."

The statement was made in regards to questions involving Chip Kelly trying to mold an "Oregon Ducks" style offense with the Eagles this year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9521983/refs-force-chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagles-slow-down

[road doggy dogg]

Stupid rule for stupid people.

[Next Big Thing]

Is McNabb a hall of famer? I go back and forth on it.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Percy Harvin to have hip surgery. Out 3-4 months.</font>

[McLegend]

Is McNabb a hall of famer? I go back and forth on it.

Nope, but he was really good though.

[CSL]

changed the pro bowl, no longer NFC-AFC but a more NHL-like draft gimmick, apparently Deion Sanders and Jerry Rice will be "captains" (GM's?)

[Next Big Thing]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>NFL eliminated traditional AFC-NFC Pro Bowl matchup; will be replaced with Pro-Bowl fantasy-like draft, per ESPN sources.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/362624988597059585">July 31, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Next Big Thing]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>No more kickoffs in Pro Bowl. Rosters will consist of 43 players per squad. Game will be played Jan 26 in Honolulu.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/362625919522848770">July 31, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Next Big Thing]

Damn it CSL.

[screech]

That could be sweet.

[Next Big Thing]

I feel like no kickoffs in the Pro Bowl is a test for eventually doing away with them in the regular season.

[DrA]

That's the last time I'll ever watch the Pro Bowl.

[road doggy dogg]

*obligatory "People still care about the Pro Bowl?" post*

[Nark Order]

Man. All of the jive talk from Seahawks fans when Crabtree went down and now Harvin is out for 3-4 months. This feels like justice.

[Kris P Lettus]

When Mike Vick broke his ankle in the playoffs that year I felt like I did it with my mind..

[DaveBrawl]

DRC carted off the field with a leg injury. Not cool.

[DaveBrawl]

High ankle sprain, not as bad as I originally was panicking over.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>So Eagles WR Riley Cooper is a racist.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i.imgur.com/AEgtz0j.jpg

[screech]

<font color=goldenrod>So Eagles WR Riley Cooper is a racist.</font>

Say what now?

[Kris P Lettus]

He said he would fight every nigger at a concert and was filmed saying it

Racist and smart

[Kris P Lettus]

http://deadspin.com/eagles-wr-riley-cooper-at-concert-i-will-fight-every-979470075

[road doggy dogg]

Is Riley Cooper the one with the really hot girlfriend, or was that some other totally nondescript Eagles WR from a couple years ago? I get them all mixed up.

[McLegend]

That was Hank Baskett.

[road doggy dogg]

I was gonna guess Clay Harbor. So close!

[RoXer]

Did he use hard E-R or soft A-H? Can't watch the video atm

[McLegend]

It was definitely a hard E-R.

[RoXer]

Uh oh

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Eagles have fined him an undisclosed amount and it's expected that Goodell will hand out a suspension.

Marcus Vick went on Twitter and issued a $1,000 bounty to the first person to lay him out.</font>

[Triple Naitch]

There are no black people at a Kenny Chesney concert anyway, so his statement was irrelevant.

[Next Big Thing]

My first thought was that he used it in the general way people do to refer to everyone (still stupid, but that's the country we live in). He was apparently referencing the black security guards, though.

[Next Big Thing]

I'm sure his teammates will take the high road and say all is well, but that shit still has to be awkward.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://prod.images.saints.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/SAINTS/assets/images/imported/NO/photos/clubimages/2013/07-July/tempmatt_practice_7311324--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG

[Innovator]

There are no black people at a Kenny Chesney concert anyway, so his statement was irrelevant.
Was Darius Rucker visiting Kenny?

[Nark Order]

We need to stop witch hunting with the racism stuff. Its really fucking ridiculous at this pointm

[road doggy dogg]

Witch hunting? Really?

[Kris P Lettus]

Maybe the better option would be for celebs to stopmopenly being racist

[road doggy dogg]

People in general, really. Somehow I'm always surprised how fucking idiotic people still are in the year 2013.

[RoXer]

Riley Cooper is flying around on a broomstick but Narc insists we shouldn't go witch hunting

[road doggy dogg]

Remember when Violent Femmes were on Sabrina the Teenage Witch?

[RoXer]

Although I am curious, and I guess we'll find out as this situation plays out, what is someone's defense for using hard E-R? How do you bounce back from that?

Soft A-H you can easily bounce back from. Hard E-R though...

[Kris P Lettus]

Roxah

[Nark Order]

We are very caught up with words. Do any of us believe that Riley Cooper wants to kill black people? He said something stupid but I don't think we need to send somebody to the gallows every time somebody gets drunk and says dumb shit. Its a really silly thing. Everybody is just looking for small stories to latch on to and blow out of proportion. Like. What are we doing?

[RoXer]

No, I don't think he wants to kill black people.

Yes, I do think people who use the hard E-R think less of black people and are racist.

[Kris P Lettus]

Considering who his coworkers are, those words can easily cause distraction, specially this early in camp with a new coach, system, etc..

Brush it off if you want but its def a bonehead move and when everyone is able to shoot a video and post it online with cell phones, people in the public eye need to watch their shit..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also its not the intent thats in question bc people will react to it, weather he meant it as racist or not..

[Nark Order]

That's silly. That word gets thrown around everywhere. Its on televison, its constantly in music, and its in regular use (especially by the black community). Its an easy word to summon if you're trying to piss somebody off. He got into a fight with a black security guard while he was drunk and wanted to piss the guy off so he said something he knew would sting. Not really a smart move but I don't think it implies he doesn't like black people. He trains with like 40 black people every day.

It was a dumb move but I don't think it says anything other than he turns into an asshole when he drinks

[Nark Order]

Also its not the intent thats in question bc people will react to it, weather he meant it as racist or not..

Well, right. I understand that's what happens. Its just stupid.

[RoXer]

And I think we're about to find out how well liked Riley Cooper is among the locker room depending on how quickly his teammates stick up for him, if they stick up for him at all.

If there are interviews of everyone laughing this off, then it's clear he has a good comradery and no one has considered him a racist.

If they stay silent on the issue or change topics or try not to answer questions during interviews, it means it's not a guy worth standing up for.

[RoXer]

That's silly. That word gets thrown around everywhere.

We're talking about two different words here.

A-H is different from E-R

[Nark Order]

And don't get me wrong. I'm big on people taking responsibility for their actions. I just think the punishment should fit the crime. The media loves ruining peoples' entire lives for moments of weakness or drunken boozebabble.

[road doggy dogg]

Ruining his life? Really, and we're the ones over-exaggerating here?

[Next Big Thing]

That's silly. That word gets thrown around everywhere. Its on televison, its constantly in music, and its in regular use (especially by the black community).

None of this is relevant when you consider the intent and context in which Cooper used it.

I've been reading so many people using this argument and it's a false equivalency. I do believe that it's stupid for the word to be used at all by any race, though.

Should he be suspended or cut? Absolutely not.

[Nark Order]

Like, what do you want from the guy? He got drunk and said something dumb. What fo you want to come from this?

[road doggy dogg]

Like, what do you want from the guy? He got drunk and said something dumb. What fo you want to come from this?

I don't understand what your issue with this is.

Nobody's saying he should be suspended, or cut from the team, or have to give up his first-born.

You're playing this off like he's being victimized. What is your deal?

[Next Big Thing]

I also don't see anyone calling for his job or trying to "ruin" his life. He shouldn't be suspended or cut and I don't hear anyone calling for that. If your go to move in a confrontation is to throw out a racial slur instead of the typical "asshole" or "motherfucker" or "Kris P lover", people will question you, though.

[Next Big Thing]

Like, what do you want from the guy? He got drunk and said something dumb. What fo you want to come from this?

Nothing. This won't even be a story by Monday, just like it was merely a blip for Kerry Collins in his career. He's addressed it and people will move on, eventually.

[Nark Order]

The fact that this is a high profile news story is pretty disgusting to me. Dunno.

[road doggy dogg]

First of all: It's July/August. NFL offseason is notorious for being completely utterly DEVOID OF ANYTHING INTERESTING. You think this is high-profile? You mean, compared to Aaron Hernandez?

Also, I think it speaks volumes about you as a person if the publicity of this story disgusts you more than the actual racial slur.

[Emperor Smeat]

NFL states they won't punish Riley Cooper mainly because the punishment by the Eagles is good enough and current CBA rules forbade dual punishments if its for the same incident.

[Nark Order]

This is what I'm talking about. Now I'm racist. You used to have to earn the title of racist. Now its just thrown around everywhere. It's so odd to me. You don't have to actually be racist or do truly racist things to be a racist. Its just another term. It distracts from truly racist people.

[road doggy dogg]

You speak of "true" racists with such reverence.

[Nark Order]

No, I don't. You just don't like me very much. The feeling is mutual, by the way.

[road doggy dogg]

I understand your viewpoint that by hollowly labeling everyone a racist, it diminishes the meaning of the word. That being said, have you considered that the term "racist" isn't too generalized/vague, and that there are just a lot of really damn racist people in the world? Just because we're more desensitized to bigotry doesn't mean it's acceptable.

[road doggy dogg]

Anyway, slow-work-week-trolling aside, anyone here a Bills fan? Being that I unfortunately live closer to Buffalo than Detroit now, I've been toying with the idea of attending a few Bills games this season. Maybe the ones in TO, or actually going to Buffalo itself. How's the stadium there? Anybody go to a game? We could meet up and get wastey and make fun of Ryan Fitzpatrick or w/e the fuck is throwing interceptions for the Bills these days

[Next Big Thing]

I heard EJ Manuel looks pretty good in training camp. Might pick him up as my #2 QB this year.

[Nark Order]

If you took one of my drunkest moments and only looked at that as material in which to judge me by, you probably wouldnt think I was a great person. I suspect that's probably true with most people.

[road doggy dogg]

Well when you're in the public eye that's something you need to consider. There's a reason most successful companies have PR departments.

[Next Big Thing]

True, but to a certain extent "in vino veritas." I'm sure there are plenty of people who get drunk and don't suddenly feel emboldened enough to start throwing out racial slurs. The whole "I was drunk" argument can be just as weak and overused as people claiming racism in situations where it doesn't exist.

I don't think Riley Cooper is a card carrying KKK member, but I don't blame people for raising their eyebrows at this or keeping him at arms length.

[road doggy dogg]

I heard EJ Manuel looks pretty good in training camp. Might pick him up as my #2 QB this year.

I have the unfortunate honour of having Stevie Johnson as one of my keepers in my dynasty league (we get 2 per year, can't be anyone drafted in rds 1 or 2), and I have absolutely no faith that I'm better off with him than I am with, say, Lance Moore. How's the Bills' offense supposed to look this year? I'm assuming Manuel will have to keep things reeled in pretty close and it's gonna be the Spiller show for the first half of the season or so.

[Next Big Thing]

Aren't they going up tempo no huddle? I like EJ because I think he can potentially have a poor man's Cam Newton type of season.

[RoXer]

I suspect that's probably true with most people.

No, it isn't.

What were some of things you said?

[road doggy dogg]

Aren't they going up tempo no huddle? I like EJ because I think he can potentially have a poor man's Cam Newton type of season.

I honestly have no idea. I still have it in my head that Chan Gailey and/or Dick Jauron is still the head coach and that the words "up" and "tempo" don't exist in either of their vernacular.


I really really have never paid much attention to the Bills ever.

[Kris P Lettus]

This is what I'm talking about. Now I'm racist. You used to have to earn the title of racist. Now its just thrown around everywhere. It's so odd to me. You don't have to actually be racist or do truly racist things to be a racist. Its just another term. It distracts from truly racist people.

You are excussing racist behavior

Saying punching women in the face is ok may not make you a women beater, but it sure makes you an asshole

[Nark Order]

I'm not excusing anybody. I'd just, you know, like some evidence that Riley Cooper is a racist person considering he's being labeled as one on every channel. Is this a perpetual ptoblem with him or did he just say something dumb when he was drunk? I think there's a difference.

[Kris P Lettus]

He is being labeled as one bc he said something racist

With everything being video'd and going viral, it only takes one example to make something stick

[McLegend]

Riley Cooper should cut his hair.

[Crimson]

He should be Adam Copelands' stunt double in movies

[Nark Order]

Can they afford stunt doubles for Sci-Fi Original movies?

[DaveBrawl]

We're all over looking the most amusing part of the story...

Where is Marcus Vick getting $1000 to offer up a bounty on Cooper? Does Mike know little brother is dipping into his bank account?

[DaveBrawl]

anyone here a Bills fan?
Hanso definitely is, Fignuts and Wehttam might be too.

Oh and beside EJ, Kevin Kolb is the other option for them.

[Next Big Thing]

Uncle Hanso is a Bills fan? It all makes sense now.

[Hanso Amore]

Reavant is a bills fan as well.

[Kris P Lettus]

Going to the Black and Gold scrimmage this morning

Will post some pictures this afternoon

[Next Big Thing]

I don't care too much about scrimmages in general, but the Jets Green & White scrimmage has me intrigued w/ the whole Sanchez/Smith QB battle going on.

[OssMan]

Going to the Black and Gold scrimmage this morning

Will post some pictures this afternoon
Looking forward to the pics this afternoon.

[road doggy dogg]

I don't care too much about scrimmages in general, but the Jets Green & White scrimmage has me intrigued w/ the whole Sanchez/Smith QB battle going on.

Not to sound like a giant asshole, but.... why? No matter who wins, it's going to be a terrible situation for the Jets and football fans in general.

[Next Big Thing]

I actually think the Jets can be better than people think if they straighten up the QB situation. Not AFC championship good, but competitive and entertaining.

[Kris P Lettus]

Preseason starts tonight

[James Steele]

Astute observation, Mr. Lettus.

[Kris P Lettus]

Tbf it is the cowboys vs the dolphins so not that many people care

[Innovator]

I don't care who is playing, FOOTBALL!

[Innovator]

That's probably an acl on bass

[McLegend]

I hate Warren Sapp

[screech]

Why?

[McLegend]

He's thinks he's funny, and he's really not.

[screech]

Solid reason.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah Warren Sapp is a giant tool.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Strahan > Sapp</font>

[road doggy dogg]

I'm tired of Strahan being on my television, but I generally do agree with that statement.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm partly biased and everything but as I look at the numbers I still don't see how Sapp got in ahead of Strahan. Both are clear HOFers but I figured Strahan was a slam dunk first ballot guy. Kinda think some writers still hold it against Strahan that he touts his single season sack record when Favre basically gave it to him.

Ah well. He'll likely go in next year and will get to appear with the rest of the 2014 class before the SB in the Giants' home stadium. Would be a cool moment.</font>

[Krimzon7]

The Bengals are on Hard Knocks. I should love this, but I hate it. I hate the way the Browns run the team, and their classlessness shined through last time the Bengals were on the show. I hope Mike Brown is smart enough to have people around him to tell him to work on his shit image.

But I know he doesn't.

[Krimzon7]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlogYGqm-qb394xU9LVjSe9y6ChVLML4mEOQ1PXnIU1d4yFIil

So a preacher, a murderer and a racist walk into a bar...

[Krimzon7]

I'm almost ashamed of my last post, but I hate the Gators. GO DAWGS!!!

[screech]

You aren't the first one to make the joke, so don't feel too bad

[Kris P Lettus]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/001/000/141/SelvieBullrushThomasHoF_original.gif?1375669586

[ClockShot]

ACL bug claims another victim.

Packers LT Bryan Bulaga out for the season.

[Nark Order]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/001/000/141/SelvieBullrushThomasHoF_original.gif?1375669586

Jesus Christ, Dallas Thomas. That is your job. You do that for a living. Man.

[Next Big Thing]

The Bengals are on Hard Knocks. I should love this, but I hate it. I hate the way the Browns run the team, and their classlessness shined through last time the Bengals were on the show. I hope Mike Brown is smart enough to have people around him to tell him to work on his shit image.

But I know he doesn't.

Your Bungles are practicing with the Falcons for two days. Hopefully, absolutely nothing they do rubs off on the Birds.

[RoXer]

Jesus Christ, Dallas Thomas. That is your job. You do that for a living. Man.

There were plays last year where Batiste or Massie wouldn't even physically TOUCH the guy in front of them. Literally ran right post them.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's funny to read the overreactions that Giants fans have to practice reports. Last week the defense was getting interceptions left and right "uh oh, Giants offense can't hang onto the ball". Yesterday they do a 2 minute drill to end practice and Eli immediately hits Brandon Myers for like an 86 yard TD "this defense sucks".

As if scrimmage results mean dick all. The 3rd pre-season game is about the only one I'd give any sort of shit about from a results standpoint since the starters usually play into the 3rd quarter...but even that isn't really important. Just stay healthy. </font>

[screech]

Yes stay healthy. Except you, James Harrison. You can go fuck yourself.

[Krimzon7]

Your Bungles are practicing with the Falcons for two days. Hopefully, absolutely nothing they do rubs off on the Birds.


You wish we rubbed off on your shit little pigeons. For the next 48 hours...I HATE YOU.


Just playing, I love you man! Wanna go to the game bro?

[Krimzon7]

Yes stay healthy. Except you, James Harrison. You can go fuck yourself.

Still not happy with him being on my team. Unless he can guarantee two victories against Shittsburg and a Rapelesberger injury

[Krimzon7]

You aren't the first one to make the joke, so don't feel too bad

The operative word in my post was almost. No shame over here sir.

[Innovator]

CB Terrell Thomas is activated off of the PUP list. Enjoy it while it lasts guys.

[Evil Vito]

I know it's not a realistic expectation, but holy fuck Terrell Thomas going back to 2010 form or close to it would be a huge boost for this football team.

[screech]

Still not happy with him being on my team. Unless he can guarantee two victories against Shittsburg and a Rapelesberger injury

Glad he didn't sign with Baltimore like some rumors said. Never wanted a player to retire so badly.

[Next Big Thing]

You wish we rubbed off on your shit little pigeons. For the next 48 hours...I HATE YOU.


Just playing, I love you man! Wanna go to the game bro?

I hate watching preseason games to be honest. We definitely need to hit up a regular season game or two though.

[Evil Vito]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/jn5zytfm9No" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[road doggy dogg]

Every fibre of my being wants to hate that, but I fucking love it.

[Triple Naitch]

Eli raps just like John C. Reilly.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Obviously love Eli and I also love Peyton, Feel like all Giants, Colts, and Broncos fans share that feeling of "Manning brethren" or something.

But even if I wasn't a Giants fan I think I'd still love them. They're ice cold on the field but they never take themselves seriously off of it.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

I love Peyton. Have since college. Liked Eli at Ole Miss because he was a Manning but then stopped liking him after that whole draft debacle. If I wasn't a Cowboys fan or a fan of any other team in the NFC East, I'd probably still think of him as a childish bitch from that moment.

[Next Big Thing]

I think the Manning brothers are the only athletes left in professional sports who I could say I'd be legitimately shocked by if they were involved in some kind of scandal like PEDs or cheating on their wives.

[Emperor Smeat]

Maybe not cheating on wives but Peyton did have a small sexual harassment scandal occur while he was at college. Didn't become public until years later and well before he ever started dating his current wife.


Archive Manning being as active as he has been with both sons careers has been one of the biggest benefits for them.

[road doggy dogg]

I can't help but love Eli just because I'm still convinced he has a slight mental retardation. And I mean that in the most endearing way possible.

[road doggy dogg]

Like his actual name is Elisha, COME FRIGGIN' ON.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Good Eli and Bad Eli are basically two entirely different players. Some of the throws he made last year were just insane. Threading the needle into triple coverage, all of the perfect deep throws down field, etc.

For quite some time, a guy like Brady, Brees, etc. could make a throw like that and everybody is all "see? those are amazing QBs" but when Eli does it it was all "what luck!" I think he's closer to silencing the doubters though. He has some horrible games still but I think people are realizing he's actually really good, not just a product of a good offensive scheme.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

WR joe morgan tore his acl

DE keyan coleman tore his pec

Both are out for the season

:(

[Kris P Lettus]

For NBT

The pride of Atlanta, Killer Mike, signed my Saints hat

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/853/ldzh.jpg

[Next Big Thing]

Love that. Mike Johnson broke his leg and dislocated his ankle... out for the season. Don't love that.

[Nark Order]

Eli Manning is definitely at least a little mentally handicapped.

[Nark Order]

I want Delaney Walker back. :(

[Innovator]

Eli Manning is definitely at least a little mentally handicapped.
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/elipuppy-450x600.jpg

[ClockShot]

Ugh. Just did a mock draft for fantasy. Thought it would be over quick.

WRONG!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, I'm in a league on another forum but it's an offline draft over the boards, so we've already started and it drags at times. Anything before the third week of the preseason feels too early just because of the injury potential, but I guess we're all taking that risk.

QBs get a ridiculous amount of points in this league. So much so that 7 QBs got taken in the 1st round of a 12 team league. I had the 6th pick and went with Brady as Rodgers, Brees, and Peyton were already gone. I know the Pats lost a bunch of weapons but I'll trust Brady and Belichick to figure something out.

5th round is still wrapping up. But so far I've gotten Brady, Richardson, Cruz, Witten, and Steve Smith. 4th is normally earlier than I'd like to take a TE (except for Jimmy Graham and Vernon Davis) but it's also a PPR league so Witten's value is huge there. Richardson also catches a lot of passes for a RB.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

Be careful guys, roxer doesnt like fantasy talk in here

[road doggy dogg]

All the more reason to talk fantasy. #HEEL

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, I'm in a league on another forum but it's an offline draft over the boards, so we've already started and it drags at times. Anything before the third week of the preseason feels too early just because of the injury potential, but I guess we're all taking that risk.

QBs get a ridiculous amount of points in this league. So much so that 7 QBs got taken in the 1st round of a 12 team league. I had the 6th pick and went with Brady as Rodgers, Brees, and Peyton were already gone. I know the Pats lost a bunch of weapons but I'll trust Brady and Belichick to figure something out.

5th round is still wrapping up. But so far I've gotten Brady, Richardson, Cruz, Witten, and Steve Smith. 4th is normally earlier than I'd like to take a TE (except for Jimmy Graham and Vernon Davis) but it's also a PPR league so Witten's value is huge there. Richardson also catches a lot of passes for a RB.</font>

How big are the team rosters since if he's still available, I'd suggest getting Shane Vereen as a possible backup for your Richardson.

CBS has him projected as a possible top target candidate for Brady along with a lot of rushes he'd get per game.

[RoXer]

god fucking damnit

[owenbrown]

you should say that in an audioboo, RoXer

[road doggy dogg]

As a generality though, I really like fantasy talk as long as it actually kinda ties in with real football. NOBODY wants to hear "oh man my team I picked up x player in my league with these rules" and blah blah blah. I can see where the annoyance there comes from.

But talking purely stats as a fantasy tie-in doesn't seem any more harmful than talking about whatever boring off-field stuff is going on. /shrug

[Kris P Lettus]

Its football talk no matter how you look at it, whoch is what this, or the season thread, is for

[Kris P Lettus]

TONIGHT

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[road doggy dogg]

Preseason finally starting. woohoo. Lions play tomorrow I think

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah I thought saints-cheifs was tonight but its falcons bengals

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Always get kinda geeked up for the first preseason game despite it not really meaning anything.

The Giants do have a wide open competition at linebacker, though. All 3 starting spots up for grabs with 9 LBs competing for the 3 starting spots and probably 6 or 7 roster spots.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Giants seem to wind up having an undrafted rookie make the team every year. I've heard some good things about Etienne Sabino. Fantastic name.</font>

[owenbrown]

another (pre)season of Titans' mediocrity begins tonight WOOOOO!!!!

[Kris P Lettus]

Who Dey

(Bengals fan for the night)

[Next Big Thing]

I feel sorry for you Kris P. You always seem to be on the wrong side of what's right.

[Kris P Lettus]

10-3

[Next Big Thing]

Beating the Falcons in preseason would be a highlight of the Bungles season.

[Evil Vito]

Plax tears his rotator cuff, likely out for the season. Possibly the end of his career.

[road doggy dogg]

somethingsomething he shot himself somethingsometing lol etc etc good riddance

[Evil Vito]

I still wonder what could have been in 2008 had he not shot himself. Felt like the Giants could have gone for the SB repeat. Giants vs Steelers is a SB I'd love to see one of these years, though 2008 might have been the time for it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Beating the Falcons in preseason would be a highlight of the Bungles season.

LOL U MAD BRO?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

u mad, bro.

[Evil Vito]

:lol: <font color=goldenrod>Sanchez throws a pick 6 in his first drive</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL @ surpreme & sanchez

[Kris P Lettus]

10 minutes

So ready

Who Dat

[Kris P Lettus]

FOOTBALL

[Emperor Smeat]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/3034187/saveusgeno_medium.gif

SB Nation had a crazy stat days ago involving Sanchez somehow managed to be ranked dead last for QBs in NFL history in regards to being a starter for 4 years. Basically is the "Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell" for QBs who've managed to last more than 2-3 years as a starter.

[Kris P Lettus]

Sanchize

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints looking horrible

Time to go kill myself

Bbn

Be back never

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tebow plays like shit. Brady doesn't. Pats win.

[Kris P Lettus]

So my assesment was premature

After the initial drive where they gave up 80 yards and a td, it took the cheifs offense 3 quarters to gain another 80 yards

Defense had 12 hurry ups and 4 sacks

Young wr Parker had a monster game with the backups amd McCown proved he belongs

RB Khiry Robinson is someone to watch for, he prolly wont make the active squad so I seemhim getting signed off our practice team

Also wr andy tanner

Both of these guys will get lost in the depth at both rb and wr and will get signed to other teams

[Kris P Lettus]

Is the Giants/Steelers game live tonight on NLF Network??

It says live in the info but Cox Cable is retarded sometimes

[road doggy dogg]

SEE MY RANT on cable companies ni the 100k thread. Hate every single one of them.

Legit considering getting NFL Game Pass this year. $135 for every reg season game and Redzone? That sounds fantastic.
crossrine

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>GIANTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna do my way too early roster prediction. Did this last year and wound up way off. Of course this also assumes they don't get any injuries in preseason which is unrealistic, but whatever:

QB (3): Eli Manning, David Carr, Ryan Nassib
RB (4): David Wilson, Andre Brown, Ryan Torain, Michael Cox
FB (1): Henry Hynoski
WR (5): Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Rueben Randle, Louis Murphy, Jerrel Jenigan
TE (3): Brandon Myers, Adrien Robinson, Bear Pascoe
OL (9): Will Beatty, Kevin Boothe, David Baas, Chris Snee, David Diehl, Justin Pugh, Jim Cordle, James Brewer, Brandon Mosley
DE (5): Jason Pierre-Paul, Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Damontre Moore, Adrian Tracy
DT (5): Linval Joseph, Cullen Jenkins, Johnathan Hankins, Mike Patterson, Marvin Austin
LB (6): Keith Rivers, Dan Connor, Jacquain Williams, Spencer Paysinger, Mark Herzlich, Aaron Curry
CB (5): Prince Amukamara, Corey Webster, Jayron Hosley, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas
S (4): Antrel Rolle, Stevie Brown, Ryan Mundy, Cooper Taylor
K (1): Josh Brown
P (1): Steve Weatherford
LS (1): Zak DeOssie

Feels weird only keeping 5 wideouts but I had to make a sacrifice somewhere since the Giants will most likely be carrying a 3rd QB for the first time in several years. They're not cutting Nassib after they traded to early in the 1st round to get him, but I have a hard time seeing them getting rid of Carr and putting the entire season on Nassib's shoulders if Eli gets hurt.

I wanted to find room for an extra LB (Etienne Sabino) and an extra CB (Junior Mertile) but I ran out of space since the Giants have a shitload of depth at the D-line and I think they'd like to keep as many as they possibly can. Marvin Austin's inclusion is probably the biggest head scratcher but I can't remember Jerry Reese ever cutting somebody he drafted in the first three rounds without giving him at least three years to prove himself. Hopefully Sabino and Mertile make it to the practice squad.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

Is the Giants/Steelers game live tonight on NLF Network??

It says live in the info but Cox Cable is retarded sometimes

[Kris P Lettus]

Thhanks for nothing, big vito

[Evil Vito]

Dunno if it's on NFLN. They're showing something else here but that's because I've got it on NBC.

[Kris P Lettus]

Steeler coverage is on nfl network

I just didnt know if it was a live game or a rerun until the broadcast started

[Evil Vito]

Loved seeing Damontre Moore block that punt. Potential 3rd round steal. Was projected as a top 10 pick as recently as January.

[Evil Vito]

Cameraman keeps failing to follow the ball when the QB throws it. Must be an intern.

[Innovator]

Eli to Cruz #1

[Evil Vito]

*marks out for the first Cruz salsa of the year*

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Always a good feeling to win, preseason or not. Nice to see the Manning to Cruz connection has gone nowhere.

Only real negative I saw was the run defense still looking spotty. But it's game 1 of the preseason. Not really worth critiquing anything too much until after game 3.</font>

[Innovator]

Yeah both lines looked suspect at times, but thats nothing new.