NFL 2013 Off-Season Thread

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Ravens&amp;src=hash">#Ravens</a> have signed WR Brandon Stokley to a 1-year deal. He'll be at practice today.</p>&mdash; Baltimore Ravens (@Ravens) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ravens/statuses/366593222690078720">August 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Retirement as a Raven?

[screech]

Yes! Love Brandon Stokley

[Skippord]

Good for him, love me some Stoke.

[Krimzon7]

Beating the Falcons in preseason would be a highlight of the Bungles season.

HAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! you are so fucking funny. Why would beating a third placed NFC South team be the highlight of our season?

[Nark Order]

Falcons won't be third place. They'll probably win 14 games and be irrelevant in the playoffs like they are every year.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't know whether I love or hate that post

[road doggy dogg]

Let's all find a mutual agreement in that the Bucs will again be terrible this year.
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[Kris P Lettus]

All depends on freeman

[road doggy dogg]

I may be alone in this but I'm out on Freeman. Bill Simmons mancrush aside, I just don't think he's got it.
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[Kris P Lettus]

He's good just lacks consistency

[road doggy dogg]

I don't think he's bad or anything. I just think his ceiling is like... top-12? There's just so many great QBs this season that I can't see him really elevating himself above the pack.
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm not sold on Freeman either, and the Panthers have a new GM and are still in the midst of a rebuild. I won't put either team as low as a team like the Raiders or Browns, but I'm not really confident either team will make the playoffs.

I do think the Falcons and Saints will both make it, though. Saints have defensive issues but seem to be flying under the radar. Payton being back will make a big difference.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

I think the Falcons are legit but in all honesty this should be the Saints' division to lose. Payton/Brees are IMO the best coach/QB combo going right now in the league.

(Rodgers is better QB but Payton is waayyyyyyyy above McCarthy's level)
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Falcons seem to have a scary amount of depth. I know it's fun to joke about their playoff blunders, but the Ryan/Smith era got off the schnide with a playoff win last year and still came really close to making it to the Super Bowl.

Early prediction (and really, in the NFL any prediction this far out is a total crapshoot) is the Broncos over the Falcons in the SB. Falcons and Niners hook up in the NFC Title game again, this time in SF, and the Falcons return the favor from a year ago. Peyton wins his 2nd ring which finally silences his critics who have ripped him for his numerous one and dones over the year.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Still would love to see a Manning Super Bowl. :o I know the media attention would nauseate everybody outside of NY and Denver, but dammit I'd love it. 2nd battle of the brothers year in a row, just in a different way.

Optimism aside, the NFC East is way too close of a race for me to comfortably pick a division winner, nevermind actually making it to the SB.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

I think the Falcons are legit but in all honesty this should be the Saints' division to lose. Payton/Brees are IMO the best coach/QB combo going right now in the league.

(Rodgers is better QB but Payton is waayyyyyyyy above McCarthy's level)
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Think the opposite of it being the Falcons' to lose this year. Saints D won't be as historically horrendous as last year but still has some serious concerns and issues.

[Nark Order]

I want Barkevious Mingo to dominate the NFL just so I can hear Terry Bradshaw say his name continuously.

[road doggy dogg]

I wouldn't be surprised to see either Falcons or Saints run away with it. Gambling-wise, I'm not touching it though. Gotta lay some money on things I'm more confident in :rant:


Wanna see Honey Badger and Patrick Peterson do ridiculous things for the Cards this year too
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[DrA]

I wish someone in this thread would make a prediction with balls for once. The Buffalo Bills make the playoffs, the Eagles go to the NFC championship game, something like that. Just say something different. I didn't win TPWW Pro Football Pick Em', TPWW Pro Football Survival, and TPWW Fox Sports Pro Football Fantasy Football all in 2006 by making a bunch of wimpy predictions all year.

[Nark Order]

I love hating on the Falcons. The best thing about writing the Falcons off every year is that I'm always right.

[road doggy dogg]

I wish someone in this thread would make a prediction with balls for once. The Buffalo Bills make the playoffs, the Eagles go to the NFC championship game, something like that. Just say something different. I didn't win TPWW Pro Football Pick Em', TPWW Pro Football Survival, and TPWW Fox Sports Pro Football Fantasy Football all in 2006 by making a bunch of wimpy predictions all year.

I think the Redskins are going to finish last in the NFC East this year.
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[Evil Vito]

I wish someone in this thread would make a prediction with balls for once. The Buffalo Bills make the playoffs, the Eagles go to the NFC championship game, something like that. Just say something different. I didn't win TPWW Pro Football Pick Em', TPWW Pro Football Survival, and TPWW Fox Sports Pro Football Fantasy Football all in 2006 by making a bunch of wimpy predictions all year.

<font color=goldenrod>Brandon Weeden sets the NFL record with 51 passing touchdowns in a season, same number as his age.</font>

[Nark Order]

I'll make a bold prediction. I think that the Cleveland Browns will be an 8 win team. COME AT ME.

[road doggy dogg]

<font color=goldenrod>Brandon Weeden sets the NFL record with 51 passing touchdowns in a season, same number as his age.</font>


Mine was actually serious :rant:
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Seriously though, about the boldest I'd go is the Bengals in the AFC Title Game. I know they've made the playoffs the last two years and everything but still most people don't view them at that level.

Would the Chiefs making the playoffs be bold? I dunno about that. They were the worst team in football last year but still had a shitload of good players on defense.</font>

[Nark Order]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the 9ers/Seahwaks rivalry isn't going to be much of a rivalry.

[road doggy dogg]

Chiefs have legit talent on their team. For all Andy Reid's faults and follies, he is a significant upgrade at coach for them. That division (sans Broncos) is wide open. If they can split with the horsies and take care of business they can feasibly be 5-1 in the division, setting them up for at least discussion in the wildcard spot. I could see the Chiefs making noise this year.
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[Nark Order]

As a 9ers fan, I really hope Alex does well on the Chiefs. We put him in so many shitty situations over the years, including last year. He's a much better QB than he was ever able to show on the 9ers, IMO. Last year he was showing how brilliant he could be and then Kaepernick happened.

[road doggy dogg]

Alex Smith got the Jason Campbell treatment, and I don't know if he'll really be able to elevate himself to anything other than above-average with a "QB guru" like Harbaugh around him. And, all the praise I just gave to the Chiefs, going from an organization like the 49ers to the Chiefs, not exactly an upgrade.
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[Emperor Smeat]

Balls Prediction: Jags, Cards, and Browns all finish with a record better than the Jets who stick with Sanchez for the whole year.

Semi-Balls Prediction: Adrian Peterson carries the Vikings to another playoff birth and breaks the rushing record.

[Hanso Amore]

Kiko Alonso will win rookie of the year

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That would be awesome. He's a local guy. Don't really want the Bills to do well though, but hope he has a great year.

Don't know about offensive rookie of the year yet. Kenbrell Thompkins impressed me with his play in preseason game one. Pats don't exactly have the targets they used to. Hope he can have a great season.

[Skippord]

Josh Freeman is an awesome team away from being Joe Flacco

[road doggy dogg]

Joe Flacco is a bad team away from being out of a job
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[Kris P Lettus]

Matt Ryan is talent and a ring away from being Drew Brees

[Next Big Thing]

I love hating on the Falcons. The best thing about writing the Falcons off every year is that I'm always right.

What's the over/under on you using that corny joke at least three more times this season?

All bullshit aside, I think the NFC West is probably the best division in football followed by the NFC South and they'll beat the hell out of each other in the regular season. The Super Bowl rep for the NFC will come out of one of those two divisions.

It will be either the Falcons or Seahawks taking on the Broncos in New York.

[road doggy dogg]

Makes me so angry to say NFC West is so good, since for most of the 00's they were so fucking atrociously embarrassing to the sport of football
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[Kris P Lettus]

Ravens signed Dallas Clark

[road doggy dogg]

Every time I see Dallas Clark's name all I think about is that stupid commercial with Peyton Manning "doing his reads" and then there's some kid in a hallway that whispers "Clark" and he throws it to him for a TD or something. IDK WTF that commercial was even for but fucking hated it.
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[screech]

Ravens signed Dallas Clark

I can dig it.

[Krimzon7]

Let's all find a mutual agreement in that the Bucs will again be terrible this year.
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let's all stop pretending that the Panthers will suck this year.

[Krimzon7]

What's the over/under on you using that corny joke at least three more times this season?

All bullshit aside, I think the NFC West is probably the best division in football followed by the NFC South and they'll beat the hell out of each other in the regular season. The Super Bowl rep for the NFC will come out of one of those two divisions.

It will be either the Falcons or Seahawks taking on the Broncos in New York.

Pure hometeam pride in this post. The AFC North is not fucking around this year. The Bengals making the SB isn't so much a joke any more...it's more like a motherfucking threat (I love dan lebatard).

[road doggy dogg]

I'd like to keep pretending, if that's okay.
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[Innovator]

I think Dan Connor will probably end up beating out Herzlich for starting middle linebacker.

[Nark Order]

Hugh Douglas apparently got drunk and called Michael Smith an "Uncle Tom" and a "house nigger." Was some legit altercation. Everyone lately is apparently a nigger. This story will get no exposure because its something that ESPN doesn't really want "out there" after all of the Riley Cooper business. Good thing they control most of the news feed.

[Evil Vito]

I think Dan Connor will probably end up beating out Herzlich for starting middle linebacker.

Me too. I'd also be shocked if Rivers isn't starting.

[Innovator]

I also don't think Marvin Austin will make it. 33 snaps on Saturday and didn't make a stat.

[Next Big Thing]

Hugh Douglas apparently got drunk and called Michael Smith an "Uncle Tom" and a "house nigger." Was some legit altercation. Everyone lately is apparently a nigger. This story will get no exposure because its something that ESPN doesn't really want "out there" after all of the Riley Cooper business. Good thing they control most of the news feed.

I read about that a week ago. It probably won't get as much exposure b/c Hugh Douglas is washed up and no one watches Numbers Never Lie. The only reason the Riley Cooper story got so big because 1: Slow news week aside from A-Rod and 2: dude is an active player in a league that's 70% black threatening to fight "niggers".

That being said, I'm personally very interested in seeing how ESPN responds to this. They have a precedent for not taking this stuff to lightly considering the way they've handled Rob Parker and Rush Limbaugh. To be fair to ESPN, they didn't really make a big deal out of those firings either. In general they handle internal matters, well... internally.

[Skippord]

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watch this, and try not to kill yourself

[owenbrown]

I read about that a week ago. It probably won't get as much exposure b/c Hugh Douglas is washed up and no one watches Numbers Never Lie. The only reason the Riley Cooper story got so big because 1: Slow news week aside from A-Rod and 2: dude is an active player in a league that's 70% black threatening to fight "niggers".

That being said, I'm personally very interested in seeing how ESPN responds to this. They have a precedent for not taking this stuff to lightly considering the way they've handled Rob Parker and Rush Limbaugh. To be fair to ESPN, they didn't really make a big deal out of those firings either. In general they handle internal matters, well... internally.

Deadspin article on the fight:
http://deadspin.com/espn-fight-hugh-douglas-called-colleague-michael-smith-1042188473


Douglas fired by ESPN
http://deadspin.com/hugh-douglas-fired-by-espn-1123480681


Deadspin "tribute" to Douglas


http://deadspin.com/living-the-hartfordlife-a-tribute-to-fired-espner-hug-1124973086

[Skippord]

Tom Brady apparently hurt his knee in the Patriots/Bucs mixed practice thing.

[Kris P Lettus]

My buddy texted me "mallet was hurt last week, brady carted off feild today, and its tebows bday.. jesus works in strange ways"

[Emperor Smeat]

For those who've used NFL Sunday Ticket on the PS3, its been reported the service won't be offered this year on that platform nor in the future because of Microsoft's recent deal with the NFL.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/nfl-sunday-ticket-wont-be-available-on-ps3-this-year/



Tom Brady apparently hurt his knee in the Patriots/Bucs mixed practice thing.

Later reports stated it wasn't a serious injury and he was able to jog around after a while.

[Kris P Lettus]

Tonight Rivers vs Cutler

War of the mouth breathers

[Kris P Lettus]

Vilma had knee surgery today, will miss the remainer of the preseason

[McLegend]

LeSean McCoy looks great. They should sit him now.

[Kris P Lettus]

In the Bears Bolts game, I am pullling for the defense

[Kris P Lettus]

With 3 turnover in the 1st quarter, I was cheering correctly

[The Condor]

It's Charlie Whitehurst. Cool.

[Nervous Ferret]

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh preseason football!!! 3==================D -- ----- ---- ()()

[Skippord]

http://deadspin.com/legit-streaker-dodges-tackler-in-cleveland-gets-pummel-1152603588

the security guy tackles this dude right in the balls

[#1-norm-fan]

Holy shit, it's insane that Tim Tebow has a job playing quarterback in the NFL.

[road doggy dogg]

Damn, that's an interesting take on the past 2 years of NFL action that nobody has taken a stance on.
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[#1-norm-fan]

As long as someone's still putting him on a football field to go 1/7 for -1 yard and a pick, the message needs to be stressed more.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah but every single person knows that there is no way he starts as anything more than 3rd string QB. So sick of hearing about NCAA-quality players constantly
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The only question is whether or not he makes the roster at all. I don't think he will. At this point you don't see a whole lot of teams with established QBs carrying 3 QBs unless they drafted a rookie they're trying to develop into a backup (like the Giants are doing with Ryan Nassib).</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Also if I hear one more person say that Alabama would crush the Jags, Browns, or any other NFL team - I'm going to fucking scream. Any NFL team could beat any college team by 30 points. Guys on NFL practice squads were the stars of their respective college teams.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

minor league football
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[Kris P Lettus]

Saints have 11 sacks in the 1st two preseason games

i think im gonna like having rob ryan around

[Nark Order]

Go Niners. Go Browns.

[Kris P Lettus]

You know Mingo got a bruised lung in the last game??

[ClockShot]

Wisconsin reunion tonight. Montee Ball and the Broncos visit Seattle and Russell Wilson's Seahawks.

[Ermaximus]

Jags/Jets tonight. Not expecting a very high scoring game at all.

[KyleEmmott]

GO TEXANS!

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>The only question is whether or not he makes the roster at all. I don't think he will. At this point you don't see a whole lot of teams with established QBs carrying 3 QBs unless they drafted a rookie they're trying to develop into a backup (like the Giants are doing with Ryan Nassib).</font>

Belichick has kept a 3rd QB several times during the Brady era although usually end up getting traded or dropped mid-way in the season.

Think in Tebow's case, he has a strong chance of lasting for most if not all of this year. Belichick won't just dump him for nothing and it gives some insurance for Mallet who isn't quite ready to be a true backup (or starter).

If Belichick fails in improving Tebow, probably safe to say that Tebow's NFL career is done unless the Jags suddenly were interested in him again.

[road doggy dogg]

Preseason is so awful. Can't they just have like intersquad scimmages against other teams that aren't televised? Don't teams already do that? Preseason sux so much.
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[Hanso Amore]

EJ Manuel

[Nark Order]

You know Mingo got a bruised lung in the last game??

Yeah. Should be out 2-3 weeks. Kind of shitty he's missing out on the preseason games. For a rookie, they are pretty vital.

[Nervous Ferret]

DUUUECEDEDSDSS PREASEASON FOOTBALL

Catch it, baby!

[road doggy dogg]

Only have a couple weeks to figure out what kind of FINANCIAL WAGERS I would like to make on this NFL season.

Thinking of making a few futures bets (season o/u wins) as well as division/SB bets depending on what I see. Right now San Fran (+487), Denver (+554), and Seattle (+684) have the best odds to win the SB (according to the lines anyway). New England is next at +818 which I'm kind of surprised at. Probably because they've basically already clinched a division title/playoff spot. Jacksonville (lol) is +40416, meaning a $20 bet on them to win the SB pays out a decent $8083.20. Will probably do a medium pick like Green Bay (+1401) or something or just stay away altogether.

Haven't looked at the futures lines yet.
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[road doggy dogg]

Arbitrarily was throwing $20 bet there 'cause that's what I was placing for some reason. Idk, whatever.

In the interest of making this relevant and to have anybody care, what are your predictions for division winners?
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[RoXer]

I already miss Adrian Wilson :(

[RoXer]

But I have always enjoyed Antoine Cason :)

[RoXer]

And I suppose this Tyrann Mathieu fella ain't bad neither

[RoXer]

Sports!

[Hanso Amore]

Ej Manuel Looks good and now is out for the rest of the preseason and maybe longer needing a minor knee surgery.

I hate everything

[Skippord]

not good, Broncos

[Kris P Lettus]

not good, Broncos

sup with that d lineman who got carried off on a stretcher??



heard he had feeling and movement in his limbs, but you never want to see that

[Kris P Lettus]

Ej Manuel Looks good and now is out for the rest of the preseason and maybe longer needing a minor knee surgery.

I hate everything

buy a kolb jersey

[Innovator]

Victor Cruz with a bruised heel.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'd be fine with Cruz not suiting up again until Dallas. The first preseason game was all I needed to see from him.</font>

[Skippord]

sup with that d lineman who got carried off on a stretcher??



heard he had feeling and movement in his limbs, but you never want to see that
my understanding is that he is fine, flew back with the team

then again I read this last night and slept all day, so he may be dead now

[SammyG]

Just got 2 tickets to STL. Rams-Hawks MNF baybayyyy

[Kris P Lettus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Ravens announce the release of veteran CB Chris Johnson</p>&mdash; NFL: AroundTheLeague (@NFL_ATL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_ATL/statuses/369508776937676800">August 19, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

Von Miller is facing a six-game suspension for violation of the league's substance policy, according to league sources, but the sides still are negotiating as representatives of the Denver Broncos linebacker are trying to get the ban reduced to four games.

The announcement is expected this week, and could come as early as Monday.

In the test that triggered the suspension, multiple sources say Miller was flagged for a "diluted sample." It happened after Miller was asked to provide a test before an offseason workout/practice and the sample was spilled, by Miller, before it was given to the collector. Miller was then asked at that time to provide another sample and he could not.

He then participated in the workout, drinking fluids throughout the activity. Miller then provided a sample that was used in the test following the workout.

[Kris P Lettus]

It appears as though Luke McCown has won the backup quarterback job for the New Orleans Saints.

The team released veteran Seneca Wallace on Monday, according to Adam Schefter.

The two were brought in to compete for the backup job behind Drew Brees after Chase Daniel left as a free agent. But the competition never really materialized.

Wallace missed a chunk of training camp with a groin injury and sat out the preseason opener. McCown shined well getting extended play in the first preseason game.

Wallace made his debut last week against Oakland things didn’t go well. The Saints turned the ball over on all three of the possessions he was on the field for.

[Kris P Lettus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>What I'm hearing on Von Miller: Highly, highly unlikely there is a resolution today. He believes in his innocence. And no appeal set yet.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/369536782473244672">August 19, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Triple Naitch]

Von Miller spilling his urine sample is straight out of a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode.

[Kris P Lettus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Saints cut Patrick Crayton and Steve Breaston. That didn't take long.</p>&mdash; NFL: AroundTheLeague (@NFL_ATL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_ATL/statuses/369567557658759168">August 19, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Kris P Lettus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>BREAKING: Chip Kelly names Michael Vick as Eagles' starting QB.</p>&mdash; SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/statuses/369841840234569728">August 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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BREAKING NEWS


water is wet

[Kris P Lettus]

Von Miller is having a really bad week

Denver Broncos linebacker Von Miller could be called as a witness in the death penalty murder case against Dexter Lewis, accused of stabbing five people to death in a Denver bar in October.

Miller's name is among more than 100 potential witnesses in the case. He is listed as a possible acquaintance of Lewis, but there is no indication Miller had ever met or knew anyone in the case.

Prosecutors last week filed a list of potential witnesses who may be called during the sentencing phase of the trial.

"We've been aware that Von's name appears on a potential witness list, but he has zero direct involvement in this case," said Patrick Smyth, Broncos executive director of media relations.

During the investigation, Miller's name was brought up and investigators followed through with an interview, said Lynn Kimbrough, spokeswoman for the Denver district attorney's office.

"All of the work that is done during an investigation is documented, and that includes any interviews that are done regardless of any real impact on an investigation," Kimbrough said. "In a criminal case, there may be any number of people on a witness list that may never be called, but their names were included as documentation as part of the investigation."

Lewis faces 16 counts in the attack at Fero's Bar and Grill. The charges include multiple counts of first-degree murder, felony murder, robbery and arson. Prosecutors announced that they are seeking the death penalty against Lewis.

Jordan Steffen: 303-954-1794, jsteffen@denverpost.com or twitter.com/jsteffendp

Denver Post staff writer Mike Klis contributed to this report.

[Kris P Lettus]

Lardarius Webb's Spider Man gloves

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/assets/images/imported/BAL/news-articles/2013/08-August/04/19_Caw_WebbGloves_news.jpg


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[Kris P Lettus]

Jets name Geno Smith the starter against the G-Men

[Nark Order]

I think this AJ Jenkins/Jon Baldwin trade could be pretty solid for both parties involved. 9ers are getting really unlucky this season at WR and need a guy that can come in and make a difference quick and the Chiefs need a young hungry WR that they can cultivate into a star their way.

[McLegend]

Vick named starter.

[Crimson]

They really just scrape up anything to talk about on the NFL in these tv shows. "Let's talk about Vick being a starter in our next segment!"

Wasn't he a starter last year? And the year before that. What is there to talk about? Who else would start besides him, Matt Barkley??

[Kris P Lettus]

Nick Foles

[Crimson]

Yea right..in that offense.

[Kris P Lettus]

That's why I posted this

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BREAKING NEWS


water is wet

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[road doggy dogg]

PRESEASON

[screech]

FOOTBALL

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Preseason is too fucking long.</font>

[Crimson]

That's why I posted this



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Missed the water is wet part:D:y:

[Skippord]

Von :'(

My boy Quanterus Smith better pull his shit together and wreck some fools. And also hopefully his knee won't blow up.

[FearedSanctity]

I hate my life

[Skippord]

next week look out for Peyton Manning to be arrested for stabbing a homeless guy, American Psycho style

[Supreme Olajuwon]

John Fox, you're my coach so I think you should know... I've killed a lot of people.

[Skippord]

if someone could Photoshop Peyton Manning's head onto Christian Bale flexing in the mirror that would be great.

[DaveBrawl]

Apparently the Denver Broncos biggest opponent this year will be the law.

I guess it worked out for Ray Lewis last season so everyone in Denver is getting in on it this season to up the odds.

[road doggy dogg]

I'm just glad all the negative off-field karma seems to have moved away from the Lions this year.

[Nark Order]

Well good. Aldon Smith is officially better than Von Miller. Glad that got settled.

:(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>David Diehl gets thumb surgery, out 6 weeks.

Hope Justin Pugh is ready to line up against DeMarcus Ware week 1. Good luck, rook.</font>

[RP]

Pretty confident the Colts can take the AFC this year. They might have 3 pro bowlers on there secondary alone. Toler is a fucking playmaker and all indications are that hes having the best camp of any Colt.

[Kris P Lettus]

bob sanders

[RP]

Someone was selling a Bob Sanders auto football at work. I almost pulled the trigger but I didnt. I lost my Bobby Sanders smile.

[Nark Order]

9ers gon' getcha, bytches.

[Kris P Lettus]

SUNDAY NOVEMBER 17, 2013

[Nark Order]

I'm actually fairly nervous about this season. We aren't under the radar anymore (we weren't last year really but there was always a chance that the season before was a fluke) and every team wants to be the team to beat the 9ers. We have a bunch of early injuries and our schedule is probably a bit harder than last year. Not to mention the Seahawks are being assholes.

Crossing my fingers.

[Kris P Lettus]

You guys have also felt the wrath of being a good team and loosing players in FA

I'm pretty nervous too, but I like that NO ONE is talking about the Saints. Not as a contender or even as a sleeper. If Ryan can improve the defense and get them up in the mid teens for overall D, Saints will def be in the playoffs. Defense has looked good through camp and even has 11 sacks and numerous more hurries of the QB in the first 2 preseason games. The NFC is stacked now a days and now I know how fans of AFC teams felt in the 2000's.


Schedule is pretty rough this year though.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, we lost a couple of players but we also gained a couple of players. Dashon Goldson was a huge loss. People sometimes forget that we recently picked up Nnamdi though. Not to mention that Parys Haralspn didnt even play last year. And Crabtree being out hurts a whole lot but Anquan Bolden is there to pick up that slack, we just traded for Jon Baldwin, and Vernon Davis can handle much more of a pass load than he got last year. We are still in fairly good shape, despite all of the hardships we've suffered in offseason/preseason.

[Nark Order]

I'm going to really miss Isaac though. :(

[Ermaximus]

Henne starting game 3 vs Philly at home. Just go ahead and count that as a win for the Eagles now.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://saintstailgate.com/saintsnews/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Drew-word-pic.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

Bucs having problems with staph infections

9ers sign Seneca Wallace to a 1 year deal

[Nark Order]

Seneca Wallace went to Sac City college and Cordova High School. Local boy.

[Kris P Lettus]

I figured when the Saints signed him it was just for practice for the pistol, but I had no idea McCown would beat him out so quickly for the number 2 spot

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Luke Kuechly is wrecking Baltimore's shit on national tv tonight

also he went to my hike school

[Hanso Amore]

Hilarious unintentional pun

[Kris P Lettus]

Billy Madison, bro

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Sorry Hanso I was doing a thing

[Skippord]

I am not nervous about this season because the Broncos best player has already been suspended for 6 games and I am one hundred percent sure they will not win the super bowl anyway

[Hanso Amore]

Billy Madison, bro

Damn it - I giggled out loud when I thought it was a typo.

Gets some new material supreme. It's 2013....

[Nark Order]

Sick of hearing about Von Miller anyhow. #TEAMALDON

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i.minus.com/iboHWHde0ZfxbK.gif

[DaveBrawl]

I am not nervous about this season because the Broncos best player has already been suspended for 6 games and I am one hundred percent sure they will not win the super bowl anyway
Very true. Every time I hear 49ers Broncos predictions it makes me sad, because I don't think either will be there.

[Evil Vito]

Broncos fans being the only people who think the Broncos will suck is hilarious.

[Kris P Lettus]

I also find it funny that two years ago, with Tebow, they all predicted a SB, but now they are turning their backs on them bc of Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville

[Kris P Lettus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Source says Eagles have traded RB Felix Jones to the Steelers. Eagles get back LB Adrian Robinson.</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/370908530443694080">August 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[DaveBrawl]

Broncos fans being the only people who think the Broncos will suck is hilarious.I don't think they will suck, but I can see them getting the first round bye and then bounced in the next round or even the AFC championship game.


I also find it funny that two years ago, with Tebow, they all predicted a SB, but now they are turning their backs on them bc of Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville
Who predicted a Super Bowl with Tebow? I'm pretty sure we all knew what was coming when they played the Pats considering the same thing had just happened like 6 weeks earlier when people weren't 100% sure what was coming.

Miller and Dumerville don't really worry me though. Miller will be back after 6 games (Ravens, Giants, Raiders, Eagles, Cowboys, Jaguars aren't exactly murderers row) and Elvis can be replaced. What bothers me is that the Broncos have never really done well as the center of attention aside from Elway's final season. It seems like anytime they get a lot of publicity and are the favorites they choke it away somehow. Maybe this season will be different, but I have always hated seeing people talk highly of the Broncos as they seem to underachieve.

[DaveBrawl]

Maybe I'm just bitter and jaded though.

[road doggy dogg]

“I love Ray, and I love how he always spoke from the heart, but if you listened to those speeches, a lot of them didn’t even make sense. He meant everything he was saying, but I didn’t know what he was talking about 90 percent of the time.”

[Nark Order]

Very true. Every time I hear 49ers Broncos predictions it makes me sad, because I don't think either will be there.

Hey. Fuck you, man.

[DaveBrawl]

I hope it does happen Narc just so we can all witness Von Miller beat Kaepernick senseless with Michael Crabtree's gimp leg, but I just don't hold out a lot of faith. :'(

Actually 2 of my best friends are Niner's fans so I don't know if I can stand to listen to them if the Niners win, so I'm not so sure I want that to happen. I'd hate to have to drive all the way to the middle of nowhere Pa. just to commit a felony. It's just so inconvenient.

[Nervous Ferret]

Hey it's August let's just agree niners beat the broncos in the Super Bowl by a fg

#dream team

[road doggy dogg]

It's gonna end up being some shitty wilcard or like 10-6 team that gets hot near the end of the year and goes on a run with a young QB who emerges as a legit contender and makes a lot of people like RDD lose a lot of money.

So it'll probably be like Atlanta vs Cincinnati
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[RP]

Let's agree nerf is a homo. Owwwww

[Evil Vito]

Flip Wilson!

[Nark Order]

I want Atlanta to win like 14 games every single year and lose in the first round of the playoffs. I love to discount them so much. It's like my favorite pass time now.

[Evil Vito]

Fuckkkkkk Stevie Brown writhing in pain.

[Evil Vito]

Nice to see the Giants' red zone offense is in midseason form.

[road doggy dogg]

Love fantasy football draft weekend. It's like goddamn Christmas.
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[Evil Vito]

I shudder to imagine how much AP is going to go for. I imagine at least one team will be willing to spend a quarter of their budget on him.

[Evil Vito]

Woooooooo overtime preseason football!

[Evil Vito]

ROFL Nick Folk misses the potential game winner. The game goes on.

[RoXer]

This is quite possibly the worst preseason game I've ever seen.

I know, it's only stupid preseason but jesus christ. I normally only watch the starters and will maybe watch for a drive or two of the backups. The starters hardly had the ball the first quarter, looked absolute crap in the 2nd, so they're back out there for the 3rd.

Oh yeah, and Jonathan Cooper, the first round OL pick this year, just had what looked like a very serious leg injury.

Go Cardinals.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

TPWW Draft at 2:30 pm today! Not working any day of any draft I'm in right now. Let's do this!

[RP]

Luck is tearing it up

[RP]

300 yrds 4 tds 70% completion

[RP]

I don't need to see Luck play at all next week.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Coughlin said none of his starters are likely to suit up next week. I dunno...the first team offense looked shit aside from David Wilson. Eli has been horrific this preseason. I know preseason means nothing, etc. but if the O-line and passing game looks that bad in the regular season, it'll be a long year.</font>

[Innovator]

For all fantasy players, draft Josh Brown,

[road doggy dogg]

You're kidding, right? Legatron is only kicker worth drafting.
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Just got Legatron as my Mr. Irrelevant pick. It was a conventional draft (which I now HATE, although at least it's fast). I had the #2 pick so I was sweating Martin vs. Spiller. My friend drafted right behind me so I figured the pick would define both of our seasons. Went Martin, but then he took Charles instead.

But before his second pick, my friend got logged out and it took James Laurinaitis. He got back on in time to take AJ Green and Frank Gore. Then it logged him out again and it took like 4 defensive players in a row. Never seen Yahoo fuck somebody over like that in a conventional draft. He had no pre-draft rankings. It was supposed to just take the highest player available to fill out open spots on his roster and instead it filled out all of his IDP spots, including a few bench spots.</font> :o

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Just tried an mock auction draft. Started off alright until everybody started just autopicking.

Just randomly put an ubsurd amount for a player and bounced.

[screech]

You guys draft defensive players rather than whole defenses?

Don't think I could handle all that.

[screech]

Also I'm in a league with 4 teams. Crazy depth lol

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

This week's is DEF and next week's is IDP. IDP sucks.

[screech]

Defense/Special Teams is where it's at, yo

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>IDP only sucks if you don't pay attention to the scoring system or are too lazy to keep track of another side of the ball.</font>

[weather vane]

Lol The Jets

[Nark Order]

I've wanted to play IDP forever but none of my leagues ever want to do it. Man.

[Nark Order]

And fuck Legatron. Phil Dawson is my boyfriend.

[road doggy dogg]

Autodrafts kinda suck. Obvs for something like a TPWW one it's necessary but if you're in a draft 'vec broskies doing an online draft is incredibly boring/terrible.

Going to my 2nd big money draft later this afternoon and feeling like I am going to destroy everyone.

Legatron is the best. Gonna hit multiple 60 yarders this season.
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[owenbrown]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Ben Affleck vs Tim Tebow <a href="http://t.co/3D0XBG8DE3">pic.twitter.com/3D0XBG8DE3</a></p>&mdash; NFL Memes (@NFL_Memes) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/statuses/371035555515367424">August 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>And it's confirmed. Stevie Brown torn ACL. His season is over.

Fuck. Any non-contact knee injury almost always winds up being an ACL tear.</font> :(

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Farmer's Almanac Predicts Snow Stormy weather on Super Bowl Sunday!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23318993/farmers-almanac-predicts-super-bowl-xlviii-to-be-storm-bowl

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Damn Kevin Kolb's career may be over.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23319856/report-bills-concernred-kolbs-concussion-may-be-career-ending

[Kris P Lettus]

Hanso is gonna kill himself

[screech]

I learned that Matt Leinart is on the Bills. Hate that he hasn't been good in the NFL.

[Emperor Smeat]

He might have a good chance of staying or become their starter considering both E.J. Manuel (knee) and Kevin Kolb (concussion) are currently hurt.

Bills want Manuel as the season starter but need him to start practicing before Week 1 while the Bills are worried Kolb's recent concussion has the strong chance of being a career ender.

[Hanso Amore]

Could care less about kolb would rather have Leinart than him and that's saying something.

Manuel is still on for week one. Kolbs career is over and Manuel wins the job by default, even though he would have anyways. He has looked good.

They only signed Leinart because they need bodies for the last preseason game, and their only healthy qb for that game and practice is Jeff Tuel.

They also added Thaddeus Lewis for another arm at practice.

[Hanso Amore]

The plan with Manuel from the start is for him to be back. That's why they put him into surgery on a Sunday right away. Word is he will be back on the practice field this week without pads but won't be ready for the preseason finale but will be full go a week from today to prep for week 1

[Kris P Lettus]

I like the mat finish on the vikes helmets

[Next Big Thing]

I really like EJ Manuel as a sleeper for fantasy this year. Madden comes out this week too. Swear to God, football season is my favorite time of year. The summer heat turns to the crisp, cool air and every Sunday, the week starts off with NFL games all day.

Plus Kris P will be silenced on Week 1 and I won't have to hear any bullshit from him until the delusions of grandeur return November 21st.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah I don't see Bills weren't going to start Manuel regardless. Feel bad for Kolb, never want to see that kind of thing happen to anyone, but there was like a 10% chance he was going to start any games for the Bills barring a Manuel injury
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[road doggy dogg]

And dammit Madden, don't put Barry on the cover. I don't want to shell out another $60 for your shitty annual game but you keep reeling me back in.
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[Hanso Amore]

I took two years off from madden, they got me back.

I'm thinkin got staying up till midnight for the game tonight.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Some people already have Madden. So far I've heard that the losing team gets the huge celebration after the Super Bowl, changing your defensive schemes doesn't actually work (if you change from a base 3-4 to 4-3 and change player positions accordingly, the player ratings will still reflect 3-4 making the feature useless), and even if you relocate your team, you'll still see the old city name all over the place.

Passing on this one unless there's a big patch. I'm still happy with Madden 12. I've played it long enough where Eli has now retired and I have a rookie QB.</font>

[DaveBrawl]

There will be a patch, they probably just haven't released it yet since you aren't supposed to have it before tomorrow. I haven't played more than a couple games in any Madden since like 07 or 08 on PS2 I always end up bored of it after a couple games, but my brother gets it most years and last year I remember him complaining about not being able to change player positions and some other features that you had been able to do for years and they eventually patched it up (not day 1 though). So they always make mistakes like this, but at least they are pretty good about fixing them.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Last year was ridiculous. They took away editing positions, numbers, info, etc. even though those were features that had always been in Madden. It wasn't a glitch. They did it because they felt that being able to edit your players would ruin the point of the new Connected Careers mode. They only added it back in after everybody was upset about it.

In the past few years there appear to have been a LOT of glitches in these Madden games. I don't think they even do any quality tests before releasing it. Why bother when you can have people pay $60 to test the game for you? If they had 2 years to make a game they'd have time to iron everything out, but at this point they're expected to churn out a new game each year.

Exclusivity licenses need to end. I want my EA MVP Baseball and NFL 2k series back.</font> :(

[DaveBrawl]

Is that why they did it? I figured they had a reason, but I don't think I even played last years version at all so I didn't know what it was.

I still have 2k5 laying around, been thinking about loading it back up when the roster update site I've seen gets around to updating week 1 rosters. It's been so long since I've played it, I wonder how it's aged.

Used to love making Koy Detmer league MVP. The AI had so much trouble picking him off. His arm strength rating was so low they would mistime their int attempt and jump before the ball even got close to them and leave my receiver wide open for an easy first down so often.

[road doggy dogg]

<font color=goldenrod>Last year was ridiculous. They took away editing positions, numbers, info, etc. even though those were features that had always been in Madden. It wasn't a glitch. They did it because they felt that being able to edit your players would ruin the point of the new Connected Careers mode. They only added it back in after everybody was upset about it.

In the past few years there appear to have been a LOT of glitches in these Madden games. I don't think they even do any quality tests before releasing it. Why bother when you can have people pay $60 to test the game for you? If they had 2 years to make a game they'd have time to iron everything out, but at this point they're expected to churn out a new game each year.

Exclusivity licenses need to end. I want my EA MVP Baseball and NFL 2k series back.</font> :(

Have you never played any game ever before, patches happen all the time. 90% of minor problems will be fixed within a month of game being released (which, for the record, isn't actually until tomorrow anyway)
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[road doggy dogg]

Used to love making Koy Detmer league MVP. The AI had so much trouble picking him off. His arm strength rating was so low they would mistime their int attempt and jump before the ball even got close to them and leave my receiver wide open for an easy first down so often.

Funniest actual thing ever lol

Worst is people who cheesed the game by putting Randy Moss on punt returns (99 or 100 SPD stat, I forget which) because you basically could just run sideline-to-sideline to get the AI way out of position then get a return essentially 100% of the time if they kicked to you at all.
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Pretty sure it took them until early 2013 to patch last year's game. Anyway my issue isn't that there are glitches so much as it is the nature of the glitches. I mean, how do you release a game in which the team that loses the Super Bowl celebrates? They've gotten the Super Bowl celebration right for like 20 years.

"YES! We don't have to pick last in the draft! Take that, league 'champions'"!</font> :shifty:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Anyway, in some actual football news, JPP is off the PUP list</font> :love:

[road doggy dogg]

That sounds more egregious than it really is, in my opinion. More of a thing that you'd have a laugh about with your friends when it happens. But I guess there are people out there in their dynasty modes or w/e who would get pissed off about that. But it seems like a simple coding fix anyway that will probably be released in the first patch I'd imagine.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending EA or anything because I hate them and wish their games all would fail, but most common glitches are generally fixed. Or lazily coded around. Remember the "fatigue" issue in like '03? Their solution: fatigue was turned off for online play, instead of fixing the exploit that was causing it. IN THEIR DEFENSE, that was probably a time/money constrain issue and they created a quick simple fix. In subsequent Madden releases they simply have no fatigue for online play. Minor gripe, but for players who want to play a physical run game they are at a disadvantage. etc etc

forget where I was going with this post, brb eating yogurt
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[road doggy dogg]

Anyway since I've been gaylording this thread up with Madden/fantasy talk, I guess I will add some "real football" talk to the mix.

Anyone else think the Chiefs are going to fall flat this year? They seem to be the big "hyped" team right now. Shitty record last year, new coach, lots of talent on the roster, new QB, shitty division. Every "pundit" is basically predicting them to go 11-5 and gain a wildcard spot. Think we should pump the brakes on them a bit. Would be hilar to see them go 6-10 after Charles inevitably gets banged up after becoming a 300-carry back, Alex Smith continues to be Alex Smith, and Reid costs the Chiefs 3 games with horrible clock management and challenge flag usage.

(little DEVIL'S ADVOCATE for you to chew on)
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[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>Pretty sure it took them until early 2013 to patch last year's game. Anyway my issue isn't that there are glitches so much as it is the nature of the glitches. I mean, how do you release a game in which the team that loses the Super Bowl celebrates? They've gotten the Super Bowl celebration right for like 20 years.

"YES! We don't have to pick last in the draft! Take that, league 'champions'"!</font> :shifty:

It was like late September. Drama Queen.

If the Gameplay is better, which it has been every year running, its going to be fine. I could care less if a relocated team name is glitched. If that is what causes you NOT to buy a FOOTBALL game, I dunno, you probably shouldnt play anything.

[Hanso Amore]

Stephon Gilmore out 8 weeks.

Now I want to kill myself.

See you all next fall.

[road doggy dogg]

Isn't it a wrist or hand thing? Couldn't he do the ol' "wrap it up and play with a club" routine?
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[Hanso Amore]

Fractured Hand.

Feel like he could come back sooner with the cast. I imagine hand work with a still healing hand in a cast would be a nightmare but could be back much sooner.

Who knows.

[Skippord]

Jeff Tuel starting week 1 is pretty exciting, right?

[road doggy dogg]

CJ Spiller show
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[road doggy dogg]

Was gonan make a thread in the VIDEO GAMES forum but figured I'd gauge some interest here first.

Who all is getting Madden 25? Anyone interested in doing a Connected Franchise mode together? We each control a team and basically run it, play the games etc. Would be kinda hot. I've done it a bunch in the NHL games, I imagine it's mad fun in football as well.
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[Hanso Amore]

Jeff Tuel starting week 1 is pretty exciting, right?

Manuel will start.

Though Tuel showing up and somehow dominating the Pats and becoming a future Hall of Fame QB out of nowhere like Warner or Brady is totally going to happen

[Skippord]

I hope Jeff Tuel does become the next Tom Brady

so many Tuel Time jokes to follow

[screech]

On the chefs: I feel like they won't be contenders, but I want Dwayne Bowe to have a good year.

Love Dwayne Bowe.

[Emperor Smeat]

Anyone else think the Chiefs are going to fall flat this year? They seem to be the big "hyped" team right now. Shitty record last year, new coach, lots of talent on the roster, new QB, shitty division. Every "pundit" is basically predicting them to go 11-5 and gain a wildcard spot. Think we should pump the brakes on them a bit. Would be hilar to see them go 6-10 after Charles inevitably gets banged up after becoming a 300-carry back, Alex Smith continues to be Alex Smith, and Reid costs the Chiefs 3 games with horrible clock management and challenge flag usage.
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11 or 10 wins seems a bit high but them contending for a Wild Card spot sounds about right.

Outside of the first month, their schedule is pretty soft but could see them fall flat if either the Chargers end end up being better than in recent years or they get too caught up in the hype if they start out strong.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/26/49ers-trade-parys-haralson-to-saints/

Saints trade with niners and pick up parys haralson

He will prolly start due to will smith being out for the year

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Vikings FB Jerome Felton suspended by NFL for 3 games. Adrian Peterson with Felton on field: 6.9 yds/carry in 2013 Without Felton: 4.6 yds</p>&mdash; ESPN Stats &amp; Info (@ESPNStatsInfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/statuses/372452876062187520">August 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Kris P Lettus]

My brothers ginna be possed cause he has AD in two leagues

[Kris P Lettus]

Jeff Saturday is tiny now

O_o

[road doggy dogg]

Get home from work with Madden in hand and it's already patched to 1.01. See Vito, they'll fix ish.
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[Hanso Amore]

I dunno I'm having a problem whenever I create a career all the players ratings change

[Hanso Amore]

Never mind i had to adjust the positions in scheme

[road doggy dogg]

You on PS3?
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[Hanso Amore]

Xbox

[road doggy dogg]

dang
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Ah crap forgot I don't have Xbox gold right now. Sort of assumed Madden would come with a trial code.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Giants had released Aaron Curry in the first round of cuts on Sunday. Now he's announced his retirement. Can't say I blame him after failing to make it past one round of cuts with a paper thin LB core.

Probably one of the bigger draft busts of the past 10 years.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

I'm sure he cries himself to sleep on his $34 million pile of money about it
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[Evil Vito]

Andre Brown broken leg. Fuck.

[road doggy dogg]

That's a tough one to swallow. Fucking hate preseason. So many huge injuries in useless games.
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[Innovator]

FUCK YOU GOODELL

[FearedSanctity]

Brockweiler :heart:

[road doggy dogg]

On the plus side, at least the NFL settled their lawsuit with the former players on the concussion thing. $768M it's going to cost them. Somehow that doesn't feel like enough.
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[Evil Vito]

That's a tough one to swallow. Fucking hate preseason. So many huge injuries in useless games.
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<font color=goldenrod>Same leg he broke last year, too. Happened near the end of the first half when he was likely going to be pulled.

Only possible silver lining is that he walked the injury off. Maybe it's not a severe break. Possible candidate for the temporary IR spot.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

$765M, same diff
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[road doggy dogg]

<font color=goldenrod>Same leg he broke last year, too. Happened near the end of the first half when he was likely going to be pulled.

Only possible silver lining is that he walked the injury off. Maybe it's not a severe break. Possible candidate for the temporary IR spot.</font>

That's what I've been reading, too.


Another teensy silver lining in the grand scheme of it all is that they'll get a good long hard look at Wilson to see if he can be "the guy". It'll pretty much be the first time the G-Men have had a 3-down back since, shit, Tiki?
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, there has been a lot of shuffling guys in and out of the lineup. Great opportunity for Wilson although I could see the Giants signing a veteran back if one happens to get cut this weekend. The most experienced back on the Giants roster is Ryan Torain.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 22m

Some other FA RBs still on the market: Michael Turner, Ryan Grant, Cedric Benson, Willis McGahee ... @gatorboyrb (Brandon Jacobs)

Does Brandon Jacobs have a time machine allowing him to be the 2009 Brandon Jacobs? If so sign him up.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

Sadly, Jacobs may have the most left out of that lot...
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[Innovator]

Jaxobs or Turner. At least Turner would fall forward when he hit the line, not try to dance like Jacobs would.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tebow must have saved his job tonight with those two touchdowns. Maybe not because of the sacks and the int.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna do my way too early roster prediction. Did this last year and wound up way off. Of course this also assumes they don't get any injuries in preseason which is unrealistic, but whatever:

QB (3): Eli Manning, David Carr, Ryan Nassib
RB (4): David Wilson, Andre Brown, Ryan Torain, Michael Cox
FB (1): Henry Hynoski
WR (5): Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Rueben Randle, Louis Murphy, Jerrel Jenigan
TE (3): Brandon Myers, Adrien Robinson, Bear Pascoe
OL (9): Will Beatty, Kevin Boothe, David Baas, Chris Snee, David Diehl, Justin Pugh, Jim Cordle, James Brewer, Brandon Mosley
DE (5): Jason Pierre-Paul, Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Damontre Moore, Adrian Tracy
DT (5): Linval Joseph, Cullen Jenkins, Johnathan Hankins, Mike Patterson, Marvin Austin
LB (6): Keith Rivers, Dan Connor, Jacquain Williams, Spencer Paysinger, Mark Herzlich, Aaron Curry
CB (5): Prince Amukamara, Corey Webster, Jayron Hosley, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas
S (4): Antrel Rolle, Stevie Brown, Ryan Mundy, Cooper Taylor
K (1): Josh Brown
P (1): Steve Weatherford
LS (1): Zak DeOssie

Feels weird only keeping 5 wideouts but I had to make a sacrifice somewhere since the Giants will most likely be carrying a 3rd QB for the first time in several years. They're not cutting Nassib after they traded to early in the 1st round to get him, but I have a hard time seeing them getting rid of Carr and putting the entire season on Nassib's shoulders if Eli gets hurt.

I wanted to find room for an extra LB (Etienne Sabino) and an extra CB (Junior Mertile) but I ran out of space since the Giants have a shitload of depth at the D-line and I think they'd like to keep as many as they possibly can. Marvin Austin's inclusion is probably the biggest head scratcher but I can't remember Jerry Reese ever cutting somebody he drafted in the first three rounds without giving him at least three years to prove himself. Hopefully Sabino and Mertile make it to the practice squad.</font>

<font color=goldenrod>Well official cuts aren't due in until tomorrow but it looks like my final prediction isn't going to be totally off.

I'm thinking the Giants might keep 5 RBs now that Andre Brown is supposedly only going to miss a month. Brown is important enough where I think they'll try to avoid using the temporary IR spot and losing him for longer than they have to. Da'Rel Scott makes the team. To make up his spot, Adrien Robinson goes on the temporary IR and the Giants go with only 2 TEs.

Adrian Tracy misses out because there's just no way I can't put Shaun Rogers on the team, the big guy was great all preseason. 6 DTs seems like a bit much but Cullen Jenkins can shift to DE if need be.

Obv missed with the Aaron Curry pick. Kyle Bosworth gets his spot.

And with Stevie Brown's unfortunate injury, Tyler Sash seals up a spot. Could maybe see Cooper Taylor getting bumped but I dunno if David Caldwell has done enough to earn a spot.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Tim Tebow released. And so may finally end his NFL career.</font>

[Innovator]

Now whenever a starting QB goes down, ESPN will run with SHOULD THEY SIGN TEBOW

[McLegend]

Or Vince Young

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Tim Tebow released. And so may finally end his NFL career.</font>

Probably the biggest sign that he was getting cut was when Belichick refused to put him in during the Lions game which they lost 40-9.

Also the Pats keeping Gronk on the active roster and not the PUP/IR roster meant 1 less roster spot possible for Tebow.