NFL 2013 Season Thread

[#1-norm-fan]

" the first of many 2 pt. Conversions to come". Does Aikman know something we don't??

I think he's confused. When it was 29-0 he said they needed 4 TDs and 3 2 point conversions.

[Krimzon7]

HE HAS BEEN TO 3 SUPER BOWLS AND WON A CHAMPIONSHIP! You are cherry picking the qualifications for greatness. When you look at all the aspects of his career, he is one of the greatest of all time. THE GREATEST, no, but he is one of the best.

Going isn't good enough to be considered the greatest James. Especially when you can look to the left and see Ben Roethlisberger who has a slew of passing yards, and has been to 3 superbowls too. Big Ben has managed to win two. Or how about Joe Montanna who went to four and won all of them. Of course, I'm going to mention Brady, who's been to FIVE SUPERBOWLS and won 3 titles. When you talk about the greatest and you compare records, and wins and losses and championships, how in the fuck do you put Peyton ahead of any of these guys?

[James Steele]

Manning has had roughly 80 missed tackles though. He shouldn't even be considered an All-Pro.

[ron the dial]

Manning has only had 8 incompletions.
to go with his 8 points

[James Steele]

Going isn't good enough to be considered the greatest James. Especially when you can look to the left and see Ben Roethlisberger who has a slew of passing yards, and has been to 3 superbowls too. Big Ben has managed to win two. Or how about Joe Montanna who went to four and won all of them. Of course, I'm going to mention Brady, who's been to FIVE SUPERBOWLS and won 3 titles. When you talk about the greatest and you compare records, and wins and losses and championships, how in the fuck do you put Peyton ahead of any of these guys?

Football is a team sport. Look at the defenses they had compared to Mannings.

[Droford]

Manning has only had 8 incompletions.
Wrong again

[Krimzon7]

... Every great QB doesn't play on a great team in order to elevate them to champions. Some play on shit teams and elevate them to great. Like Peyton Manning did for most of his career in Indy.

Get off of that. Those 'shit' teams were 12-4 and 13-3 on a regular basis.

[James Steele]

Get off of that. Those 'shit' teams were 12-4 and 13-3 on a regular basis.

Because of Payton Manning. He gets hurt and they go from 13-3 to 3-13.

[James Steele]

Wrong again

2 of those 10 were picks, Statboy. Ergo, only 8 incompletions.

[Krimzon7]

Football is a team sport. Look at the defenses they had compared to Mannings.

So why are we talking about the best quarterbacks ever? Let's talk about the best teams of all time...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

An interception is an incompletion.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

So why are we talking about the best quarterbacks ever? Let's talk about the best teams of all time...

because YOU said he was the best QB ever. When its clearly Joe Montana.

[Droford]

Seattle could put 50 up..

I seriously doubt anyone saw that coming

[James Steele]

An interception is an incompletion.

No it isn't. He just completed it to the wrong team.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Not stat offiically wise I don't think.

[Droford]

I just want the Gatorade to be green so I can win $150 on that

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's 30/40.

[James Steele]

Krimzon, you are the one who thinks world titles in a team sport are the only measurable stat when determining the greatness of a position player in said sport. That is a laughable stance for anyone with any semblance of intelligence and able to have complex thoughts.

[Krimzon7]

Because of Payton Manning. He gets hurt and they go from 13-3 to 3-13.

That is true. What happened when Peyton was healthy and Edgarrin James was a monster and Dwight Freeny was going to the pro bowl and marvin harrison and dallas clark and reggie wayne and all of those other shit players got to the playoffs? they'd lose 21-3 because the weakest link on the team, peyton manning, would find ways to put the football in somebody else hands.

[James Steele]

He's 30/40.

30 of 40 with 2 picks. Hence 8 true incompletions a few of which were drops, but it is him choking and him alone whose entire legacy is determined by this game and the other one he lost since the other title game he won doesn't count because it doesn't fit our argument.

[Crimson]

Highlights of the Montana/Elway Wrestlemania match.

[James Steele]

I can't wait to see Krimzon say that batted pass is further proof of Manning's inability to throw a pass.

[Crimson]

Sherman keeps faking injuries to get tv time

[Krimzon7]

because YOU said he was the best QB ever. When its clearly Joe Montana.

I would never say he was the best. I actually do think that Joe is one of, if not THE best ever. And I hate to admit that because he won two at the expense of my Bengals.

Krimzon, you are the one who thinks world titles in a team sport are the only measurable stat when determining the greatness of a position player in said sport. That is a laughable stance for anyone with any semblance of intelligence and able to have complex thoughts.

If all of these quarterbacks are the best of their times, what would be the one acheivement that is common among them all?

[Droford]

Sherman won't be giving an on field post game rant

[James Steele]

Championships and statistics relevant to their position. Payton has both.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[ron the dial]

Sherman won't be giving an on field post game rant

too bad. would have been more entertaining than most of this game.

[James Steele]

Sherman can go fuck off and die too. Just because you have a degree from Stanford doesn't mean you can act like a wild jackass and not get called on it. Al Capone was a thug and a smart businessmen.

[#1-norm-fan]

Get off of that. Those 'shit' teams were 12-4 and 13-3 on a regular basis.

Oh, so suddenly it's the team and not Manning.

You were just fucking talking about QBs MAKING great teams champions. I mention how Manning MADE bad teams great and suddenly it was the teams.

lol

[James Steele]

DAMN IT PAYTON, WHY DID YOU DROP THAT PASS?! HOW DID YOU EVEN GET IN THIS LEAGUE!?!?!?

[Droford]

Seattle scoring 50 on Denver would almost be as embarrassing as them only scoring 8 points

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Robin Hood Disney song!

[James Steele]

Fuck, Payton, throw a better ball with three 300+ pound men in your face.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

JACK AND CHLOE!!!!!

[Droford]

Damnit Chloe!

[Droford]

Has Peyton said Omaha one time tonight?

[Krimzon7]

Championships and statistics relevant to their position. Payton has both. and Tom Brady, Joe Montanna, Terry Bradshaw, to name a few, have MORE.

Oh, so suddenly it's the team and not Manning.

You were just fucking talking about QBs MAKING great teams champions. I mention how Manning MADE bad teams great and suddenly it was the teams.

lol If Manning was so great, why didn't those teams get to, or win, more superbowls? Because a better quarterback making his team better while making fewer mistakes beat him. I'm talking about Tom Brady


DAMN IT PAYTON, WHY DID YOU DROP THAT PASS?! HOW DID YOU EVEN GET IN THIS LEAGUE!?!?!?

It's baffling.

[James Steele]

Tom Brady had better overall teams.

[James Steele]

Do you consider Dan Marino a piece of shit?

[Krimzon7]

Dammit Peyton, why can't you make the decision to use your legs like Russel?

[Krimzon7]

Tom Brady had better overall teams.

name his top receiver when he won a superbowl. Name a tight end.

[James Steele]

Tom Brady injured for year - team still went 11-5.
Payton Manning injured for year - team went 2-14.

[James Steele]

name his top receiver when he won a superbowl. Name a tight end.

"Defense wins championships."

[owenbrown]

...and Denver just quit this game :nono:

[James Steele]

I'm not disagreeing that Tom Brady isn't one of the greatest of all time, but to dismiss Payton Manning's career as anything but great is fucking ridiculous and not plausible unless you are a dumbass.

[James Steele]

...and Denver just quit this game :nono:

Probably trying to keep them from scoring 50.

[Krimzon7]

Here I'll help

Deon Branch, Troy Brown. are they better than Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?

No tight end on the pats roster was better than Dallas Clark.

Who was better than Edgarin James? Who was better than Jeff Saturday?

Richard Seymour was good, so was Dwight Freeney. Ty Law, and Teddy Bruschi? how about Robert Mathis and Bob Sanders? There were just as many 'names' and all pros on Peyton's team...yet New England went to more Superbowls. The Colt's had a squad, and for Marvin, and Dwight, and Reggie and (most importantly) Edge...I wish they'd won more. But there was one thing holding them back, and that one thing wore #18.

[James Steele]

Troy Aikman says he is still a Top 5 all-time QB and Troy fucking Aikman won 3 Super Bowls. You can't question a man with 3 rings because rings determine everything.

[Droford]

Lol Peyton once again

[James Steele]

YOU CAN'T QUESTION TROY AIKMAN.

[James Steele]

3 RINGS. END OF DISCUSSION.

[Droford]

Tavaris Jackson playing in the Super Bowl

[CSL]

lol Tavaris Jackson is about to win a Super Bowl

[Droford]

Lol Sherman has a Super Bowl champ hat on

[#1-norm-fan]

If Manning was so great, why didn't those teams get to, or win, more superbowls? Because a better quarterback making his team better while making fewer mistakes beat him. I'm talking about Tom Brady

Goddamn. I'm gonna try to recap this all in one post because you seem to have ADD or something.

You said "The one thing that separates the greats from the GREATEST is going to be the ones who have elevated their teams from Great teams to Champions."

To which I replied that you're assuming all great QBs have equal opportunity to lead a GREAT team to a championship team when that is not the case. Manning didn't play with great teams most of his career.

Now you're asking why he didn't get those teams to a championship...

Now read this post as many times as is necessary until you understand.

[Droford]

Will (in Paul Heyman voice)Brock...Osweiler get to play?

[Krimzon7]

Troy Aikman says he is still a Top 5 all-time QB and Troy fucking Aikman won 3 Super Bowls. You can't question a man with 3 rings because rings determine everything.

He's just being nice to a losing quarterback. Nothing more than meaningless platitudes to console a nation of butthurt Peyton Manning Nut Huggers.

[Droford]

Damnit..orange

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Oh shit ORANGE

[Krimzon7]

I'm not disagreeing that Tom Brady isn't one of the greatest of all time, but to dismiss Payton Manning's career as anything but great is fucking ridiculous and not plausible unless you are a dumbass.

In the following post I made a couple of pages back, I acknowledge that peyton is a great quarterback.

Most QB's would. Let's talk about Peyton right now...He'd Kill to be his 'lesser' brother Eli right now, with his two championships and everything.

And I'm not saying Peyton isn't good. Hell, I'll even call him great. But the greatest? He's not the greatest of our generation. He's definitely not the greatest of all time.

Can you tell me how yards Johnny Unitas threw for? How about Bart Star? What about Joe Montanna? How many yards did Fat Ben Roethlisberger throw for? How many yards or touch downs or first downs has Tom Brady Thrown for? Otto Graham? Let's get a little more local. How many records do Troy Aikman or Roger Staubach have right now?

You people want to quantify greatness in bullshit records that are broken every year as seasons are lengthened, and rules are geared towards passing.
The one thing that will make a quarterback immortal is Championship titles. Wake up, stop being mindless drones swallowing the goup that people tell you make somebody great.

[#1-norm-fan]

Here I'll help

Deon Branch, Troy Brown. are they better than Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?

No tight end on the pats roster was better than Dallas Clark.

Who was better than Edgarin James? Who was better than Jeff Saturday?

Richard Seymour was good, so was Dwight Freeney. Ty Law, and Teddy Bruschi? how about Robert Mathis and Bob Sanders? There were just as many 'names' and all pros on Peyton's team...yet New England went to more Superbowls. The Colt's had a squad, and for Marvin, and Dwight, and Reggie and (most importantly) Edge...I wish they'd won more. But there was one thing holding them back, and that one thing wore #18.

Remember when Peyton Manning was out for the season and the Colts went from a perrenial 11+ win team to 2-14?

Remember when Tom Brady was out for the season and the Patriots went from a perrenial 11+ win team to... 11-5?

Exactly. Shut up.

[James Steele]

He's just being nice to a losing quarterback. Nothing more than meaningless platitudes to console a nation of butthurt Peyton Manning Nut Huggers.

Says the nut hugging bandwagon cocksucker.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

and Lime Green wtf?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Seahawks dominate and humiliate and are world champs. Congrats.

[RoXer]

Congrats.

Thank you.

[James Steele]

:lol: @ Chevy commercial.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Did Peyton say Ohama on the TD?

[Nark Order]

Malcolm Smith or Russel Wilson will probably get MVP. Maybe Harvin for te return. Man. Seahawks are good. Competition.

[Krimzon7]

Goddamn. I'm gonna try to recap this all in one post because you seem to have ADD or something.

You said "The one thing that separates the greats from the GREATEST is going to be the ones who have elevated their teams from Great teams to Champions."

To which I replied that you're assuming all great QBs have equal opportunity to lead a GREAT team to a championship team when that is not the case. Manning didn't play with great teams most of his career.

Now you're asking why he didn't get those teams to a championship...

Now read this post as many times as is necessary until you understand.

The Colts were built in Peyton's image, and they routinely went 10-0. 11-0 and 12-0 every year before losing. They were a 'great team'. They'd steamroll the season and end up losing their first playoff game more often than not. Those Colts had everything that they needed to be considered a Dynasty...except multiple championships. Peyton had his chance. The fact that you're attempting to render his roster inferior now is revisionist history at it's finest.

This season is the perfect microcosm for Manning s Career. Great numbers, but fell short when it mattered most. Good, but not Good enough.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

If he won you'd be sucking on his dick right now up in here.

[#1-norm-fan]

The Colts were built in Peyton's image, and they routinely went 10-0. 11-0 and 12-0 every year before losing. They were a 'great team'.

Holy fuck you're hopeless...

[Droford]

I didn't get paid on the Gatorade prop bet, but I'm going to fight for it though its a losing battle probably.

[Krimzon7]

If he won you'd be sucking on his dick right now up in here.

Sorry, I wouldn't be.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yeah you would you claimed he would make the biggest comeback ever in the 2nd half.

[Krimzon7]

Holy fuck you're hopeless...

Yeah, I'm hopless...I won't submit to your assinine method of thinking and accept a life long runner up as the best of this or any generation.

[Krimzon7]

Yeah you would you claimed he would make the biggest comeback ever in the 2nd half.

wrong guy.

[#1-norm-fan]

If he won you'd be sucking on his dick right now up in here.

No, he would just raise the standards to "Yeah, but he's only got 2 after all that!?!?"

Just like Manning was supposed to "choke" last week and the week before so it had to be stretched to "Yeah, but he'll lose in the Super Bowl".

[DaveBrawl]

If Manning was so great, why didn't those teams get to, or win, more superbowls? Because a better quarterback making his team better while making fewer mistakes beat him. I'm talking about Tom Brady
Manning's camera crew wasn't as good?

[James Steele]

How much do the Seattle Seahawks pay Texas A&M to use the phrase "12th Man"? If it isn't some crazy long-term contract, I hope A&M makes them pay out of the ass for it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, I'm hopless...I won't submit to your assinine method of thinking and accept a life long runner up as the best of this or any generation.


Remember when Peyton Manning was out for the season and the Colts went from a perrenial 11+ win team to 2-14?

Remember when Tom Brady was out for the season and the Patriots went from a perrenial 11+ win team to... 11-5?

Exactly. Shut up.

[Krimzon7]

Remember when Peyton Manning was out for the season and the Colts went from a perrenial 11+ win team to 2-14?

Remember when Tom Brady was out for the season and the Patriots went from a perrenial 11+ win team to... 11-5?

Exactly. Shut up.

Do you remember Peyton Manning winning his second Superbowl? Right. FUCK YOU.

[Krimzon7]

Manning's camera crew wasn't as good?

:lol:

Genuinely a good one. If you're not cheating, you're not trying!

[Nark Order]

NFC West is going to be bringing heat for quite awhile. Rams have an incredibe draft ahead of them, the Niners will be contenders for quite some time, the Cardinals are only going to get better and they are already good, and the Seahawks are currently the best team in the NFL. Man.

[James Steele]

Amazing turn around in that division in a few short years.

[Krimzon7]

So what's gonna be the excuse? is it going to be injuries? or was it the Offensive Lines fault? Maybe the long halftime show...Come on Peyton Manning apologists what will your excuses be?

[DaveBrawl]

The Colts were built in Peyton's image, and they routinely went 10-0. 11-0 and 12-0 every year before losing. They were a 'great team'. They'd steamroll the season and end up losing their first playoff game more often than not. Those Colts had everything that they needed to be considered a Dynasty...except multiple championships. Peyton had his chance. The fact that you're attempting to render his roster inferior now is revisionist history at it's finest.

This season is the perfect microcosm for Manning s Career. Great numbers, but fell short when it mattered most. Good, but not Good enough.
They'd get such gaudy numbers and a great record by playing the Titans, Jaguars and Texans twice a year.

[#1-norm-fan]

You're basically making the argument that QBs take great teams and make them championship teams and trying to claim that Peyton had great teams so that it fits your argument.

And your way of showing that he had great teams was their record.

Well I can just say "New England already had a championship team so Brady didn't make them a championship team."

But I won't do that. Because I'm not trying to form an illogical argument around the decision I've already come to like you are, moron.

[James Steele]

Yes, Payton Manning not being the only reason his team lost in their team sport's championship game is being an apologist. :roll:

[Krimzon7]

NFC West is going to be bringing heat for quite awhile. Rams have an incredibe draft ahead of them, the Niners will be contenders for quite some time, the Cardinals are only going to get better and they are already good, and the Seahawks are currently the best team in the NFL. Man.

I would love to see the last place team in that division be a nine or ten win team. I like the audacity of the Seahawks, but I'm not beholden to any team. Will definitely look forward to all NFC West divisional matcups next year. Should be a lot of fun and a LOT of bad blood.

[OssMan]

worst thread

[James Steele]

Of course you aren't beholden to any team, you just hop on bandwagon after bandwagon so you can swing around on the current champ's ballsack.

[Evil Vito]

NFC West is going to be bringing heat for quite awhile. Rams have an incredibe draft ahead of them, the Niners will be contenders for quite some time, the Cardinals are only going to get better and they are already good, and the Seahawks are currently the best team in the NFL. Man.

<font color=goldenrod>Yep. Incredible division. Super Bowl 49 is a year away but I'm already pretty certain a rep from that division will be playing in it.</font>

[DaveBrawl]

So what's gonna be the excuse? is it going to be injuries? or was it the Offensive Lines fault? Maybe the long halftime show...Come on Peyton Manning apologists what will your excuses be?
What excuses? A great defense and a solid running game always wins championships. The 18-1 Pats saw that, the greatest show on turf saw that, the 98 Vikings didn't even make it that far, the Saints barely pulled it off because they had the best scoring defense that season and they played another team that was based off the pass. Flash and airing it out constantly don't equal championships. It's why I had no faith in the Denver vs. San Fran predictions from early this year and why I was surprised Denver made it this far. I'd like John Elway to notice that and make corrections, but he'll just add another receiver.

[Corndad]

Wow. What exactly did I just watch? That was awful.

[Krimzon7]

You're basically making the argument that QBs take great teams and make them championship teams and trying to claim that Peyton had great teams so that it fits your argument.

And your way of showing that he had great teams was their record.

Well I can just say "New England already had a championship team so Brady didn't make them a championship team."

But I won't do that. Because I'm not trying to form an illogical argument around the decision I've already come to like you are, moron.

Well, I'm the moron because I don't agree with your point of view. I'm the moron because my argument consists of wins, losses, and Championships being used to separate great quarterbacks from the greatest quarterbacks.

I will not back off my stance. Your name calling and insults mean very little to me. The fact remains, that as his career is winding down, more and more people are starting to see in Peyton Manning what I've said all along.

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[Krimzon7]

What excuses? A great defense and a solid running game always wins championships. The 18-1 Pats saw that, the greatest show on turf saw that, the 98 Vikings didn't even make it that far, the Saints barely pulled it off because they had the best scoring defense that season and they played another team that was based off the pass. Flash and airing it out constantly don't equal championships. It's why I had no faith in the Denver vs. San Fran predictions from early this year and why I was surprised Denver made it this far. I'd like John Elway to notice that and make corrections, but he'll just add another receiver.

You know, when spewing vitriol...I sometimes get lost in the fact that there are people who genuinely care about teams, as I do for my bengals. Dave, and all Denver Bronco fans, I empathize with with your experience tonight. I hope that you can enjoy what was a successful season and that you have had plenty moments of elation and joy this year. I can't wish you the best of luck next year, because I'm rooting for the Bengals! Here's hoping that you get healthy, and better in this off season.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, I'm the moron because I don't agree with your point of view.

No. You're a moron because you can't understand logic and half the time you flat out lie and then deflect when you get called out on it.

And you deflect poorly at that. Kinda like you're trying to deflect from this lame argument you made every time I've called you on it.

You claim Peyton had a great team because they were 12-4 but couldn't win championships because Peyton didn't elevate them to it.

Fine. I'll claim that the Patriots were already a championship team during that 4 year period and Brady didn't elevate them.

I've got perennial 11 win seasons with a 2-14 season for Indy without Peyton and perennial 11 win seasons with another 11 win season without Brady for New England to show that Peyton VASTLY improved his team and Brady didn't.

You have "Super bowl rings" because that's the simplest thing you can wrap your head around when it comes to judging a single player in a team sport.

[Droford]

I wonder if Denver gets back to the SB if they'll wear the orange jerseys again. 4 games, 3 blowouts outscored 167-38

[Krimzon7]

Blue for the Broncos or nothing at all.

[Evil Vito]

nothing at all.

:naughty:

[DaveBrawl]

You know, when spewing vitriol...I sometimes get lost in the fact that there are people who genuinely care about teams, as I do for my bengals. Dave, and all Denver Bronco fans, I empathize with with your experience tonight. I hope that you can enjoy what was a successful season and that you have had plenty moments of elation and joy this year. I can't wish you the best of luck next year, because I'm rooting for the Bengals! Here's hoping that you get healthy, and better in this off season.
No I don't blame you I certainly can see your whole argument here. I think it's sort of similar to the way I feel when I hear people say the same things about Tom Brady being the greatest ever, so I don't hold that against you a bit.

Honestly tonight didn't bother me as much as I thought it would, perhaps because I have been expecting that game to happen for the last two rounds and it finally did, but I really have no joy or elation about this season. It didn't end with a championship so it'll rank right there with the Griese, Tebow, Orton, Plummer and Cutler seasons. I'd like to think Elway learned what a championship team looked like tonight but I fear they'll just add more passing offense and hope to try to score even more.

I hope the same for your Bengals my friend.

[Droford]

Peyton - We just weren't sharp.

Understatement..

[DaveBrawl]

I wonder if Denver gets back to the SB if they'll wear the orange jerseys again. 4 games, 3 blowouts outscored 167-38

Blue for the Broncos or nothing at all.

Hey they beat Atl in white. Was kind of hoping Sherman or one of the Legion of Boom would pull a Eugene Robinson this time.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>So uhhhhh...the Broncos are set to play at Seattle next season. Does the NFL dare put that as the NFL Kickoff game after this mess? If not I'd say they'll put Green Bay in there, if only because I think they'll save Niners/Seahawks for Sundays.</font>

[Droford]

It almost has to be the 49ers

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>For some reason I can see NBC requesting to save the primetime San Fran/Seattle game they will certainly get for later in the season. Then the other one would be a "FOX Game of the Week" at some point.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

It'll probably be Dallas. The NFL seems to love putting them in primetime games in week one. Usually in shitty situations like the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in New York and opening night against the Super Bowl champs.

[Krimzon7]

No. You're a moron because you can't understand logic and half the time you flat out lie and then deflect when you get called out on it.

And you deflect poorly at that. Kinda like you're trying to deflect from this lame argument you made every time I've called you on it.

You claim Peyton had a great team because they were 12-4 but couldn't win championships because Peyton didn't elevate them to it.

Fine. I'll claim that the Patriots were already a championship team during that 4 year period and Brady didn't elevate them.

I've got perennial 11 win seasons with a 2-14 season for Indy without Peyton and perennial 11 win seasons with another 11 win season without Brady for New England to show that Peyton VASTLY improved his team and Brady didn't.

You have "Super bowl rings" because that's the simplest thing you can wrap your head around when it comes to judging a single player in a team sport.

So let's just end this once and for all. Superbowl Titles means more to me. Stats means more to you. When I am talking about the best, fuck records, fuck statsistics. I only give a fuck about championships, because that is what will stand the test of time. Every record can and will be broken. make any argument about teams, and wins and losses that you want.

Call me when Peyton wins another title.

[#1-norm-fan]

So there you go.


You have "Super bowl rings" because that's the simplest thing you can wrap your head around when it comes to judging a single player in a team sport.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[Krimzon7]

Of course you aren't beholden to any team, you just hop on bandwagon after bandwagon so you can swing around on the current champ's ballsack.

James Steele, shut the fuck up. I've tolerated your goddam stupidity for long enough. Who have I rooted for? The Cincinnati Bengals. That is it and that is all. I enjoy the brilliance that is Tom Brady and I respect what the patriots have done.

I watch NFL as a Bengals fan and a fan of the game. The shit you're bringing this way is best directed at someone else.

[Krimzon7]

So there you go.



Thanks for the confirmation.

You twat, I said it earlier. Just because you don't comprehend how that is such a defining statistic is more a damming observation of your lack of understanding of the game than anything else.

[Droford]

I like how NFL network has a video package already done about Manning's legacy with only 1 super bowl. I guess we'll never see the one they did about Manning finally winning another one.

[owenbrown]

:wtf:

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[Krimzon7]

No I don't blame you I certainly can see your whole argument here. I think it's sort of similar to the way I feel when I hear people say the same things about Tom Brady being the greatest ever, so I don't hold that against you a bit.

Honestly tonight didn't bother me as much as I thought it would, perhaps because I have been expecting that game to happen for the last two rounds and it finally did, but I really have no joy or elation about this season. It didn't end with a championship so it'll rank right there with the Griese, Tebow, Orton, Plummer and Cutler seasons. I'd like to think Elway learned what a championship team looked like tonight but I fear they'll just add more passing offense and hope to try to score even more.

I hope the same for your Bengals my friend.

How does Bronco Nation really feel about Elway? He seems to have an ego about him, a 'I wanna do this MY way' type of thing about him.

I like the defense, the Line backers are friggin sick. What do you think is the most glaring need? I'm thinking that Cornerback is a must have right now. Depth at pass rusher seems like a priority. Of course the elephant in the room is the health of QB18. If/when he can't do it anymore, what is the contingency? Should Denver gamble and get a qb to groom? Is Brock the QBOTF? there are some questions that Elway has to answer, and in short order.

[Droford]

Also, I'm going to assume they will come back to NY for another Super Bowl. Aside from the actual game itself being crap, everything for the last two weeks seemed to go off without a hitch.

[Krimzon7]

I like how NFL network has a video package already done about Manning's legacy with only 1 super bowl. I guess we'll never see the one they did about Manning finally winning another one.


Probably shot this one first, watched it, and realized that there was no need to do another.

[#1-norm-fan]

You twat, I said it earlier. Just because you don't comprehend how that is such a defining statistic is more a damming observation of your lack of understanding of the game than anything else.

Yes. I'm able to grasp more than the concept of team championships when it comes to individual skill. As anyone with half a brain should be able to do.

[Krimzon7]

Also, I'm going to assume they will come back to NY for another Super Bowl. Aside from the actual game itself being crap, everything for the last two weeks seemed to go off without a hitch.

After a debilitating two inches of snow, I'm positive that Atlanta won't host one anytime soon.

[screech]

After a debilitating two inches of snow, I'm positive that Atlanta won't host one anytime soon.

They'll be super prepared next time, though!

[screech]

If someone brought this up already I apologize, but this #boycottcoke thing on Facebook and twitter over the commercial is hilarious to me.

People in America think America the Beautiful is our National Anthem. I'm amused and saddened at the same time.

[Krimzon7]

They'll be super prepared next time, though!

haha, highly doubtful my friend.

[#1-norm-fan]

:wtf:

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I bet that guy is glad he went through to trouble of getting his voice heard by so many people so he could express that completely groundbreaking theory that's gonna make the entire world stop and question everything.

[James Steele]

I think John Elway will fix the issues. The main issues is they need a speed/burner WR, and work on the DE and CBs. Von Miller hopefully will recover and be able to play at the same level. I'd draft a QB too.

[Krimzon7]

Happy to see Ray Guy going into the HoF. Also happy to see Walter Jones go in. Love it when Offensive Linemen get rewarded.

[Droford]

What..Brock..Osweiler isn't the future if the Denver Broncos ?

[James Steele]

If the Broncos are smart, they'll draft Blake Bortles. He is going to make a franchise very happy.

[Krimzon7]

I think John Elway will fix the issues. The main issues is they need a speed/burner WR, and work on the DE and CBs. Von Miller hopefully will recover and be able to play at the same level. I'd draft a QB too.

For the offense that Denver runs, their receivers are pitch perfect. all of the combination Routes, not to mention the crossing/pick routes, don't necessarily garner a need for straight line speed. WR is perhaps the last position that they need to address. If they find a burner in the later rounds, so be it. I really think that Champ may hang it up. He was injured more than active this year and I think he realized that he's hung around too long(hate to see him go, he's a class act). CB, DT, seem to be of paramount importance. a backup QBOTF is of Tantamount importance, and speed is tertiary. But what the fuck do I know?

[Evil Vito]

If the Broncos are smart, they'll draft Blake Bortles. He is going to make a franchise very happy.

<font color=goldenrod>I certainly would be happy to see gratuitous shots of his gf every game.</font>

[Krimzon7]

If the Broncos are smart, they'll draft Blake Bortles. He is going to make a franchise very happy.

They're projecting Brotles to Minnesota, if i'm not mistaken. He's working himself into a top pick.

[James Steele]

Because BLAKE FUCKING BORTLES is the FUCKING MAN.

[James Steele]

Denver needs a WR who can get off of man coverage.

[Droford]

I was able to get out via train at Wrestlemania without waiting 90 minutes..probably 20 at the most

I guess Chris Christie is to blame

[Kris P Lettus]

I love most of you broncos fans here (SHOUTOUT DAVEBRAWL) but LOL Jesus Christ what a colossal failure that whole games was.

I hope Peyton comes back.

[Droford]

It'd be funny if he comes back for one more year only to lose in the Super Bowl again and pull a reverse Elway..

[Kris P Lettus]

you should book the nfl droford

and you should tell roxer who the most handsome man in the mlb is

[Droford]

Seahawks Def Coordinator Dan Quinn said he would have taken the Browns coaching job if they had waited til after the Super Bowl to ask/hire

I feel bad for him, but I bet Cleveland feels even worse..

[Fignuts]

Well, shit.

It's because I moved to Colorado. I brought the horrible, depressing frustration of being a Bills fan, and like some sort of curse, it's infected the Denver Broncos.

[Droford]

Well, shit.

It's because I moved to Colorado. I brought the horrible, depressing frustration of being a Bills fan, and like some sort of curse, it's infected the Denver Broncos.

To be fair, Denver knows more about losing (5) Super Bowls than Buffalo (4) being outscored 206-58 in those 5 losses. Buffalo actually scored more in their 4 losses, being outscored 139-73.

[Fignuts]

Losing 5 separate times certainly is frustrating.

But I don't think it's quite as infuriating as losing 4 straight. And at least Denver won a couple.

[Droford]

Denver lost 4 in 13 years..close enough

Minnesota gets the cake for me though, 4 losses in 8 years and they never led at any point in any of the 4 games.

[screech]

Lol 4 in 13 years is not "close enough" to 4 in a row.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

:wtf:

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Concussion study.

[Bad News Gertner]

To all the people who said Manning is better than Brady

KILLLLLL YOURSELVES! Enjoy that one Super Bowl ring that you beat Rex Grossman for lol

[Bad News Gertner]

No. You're a moron because you can't understand logic and half the time you flat out lie and then deflect when you get called out on it.

And you deflect poorly at that. Kinda like you're trying to deflect from this lame argument you made every time I've called you on it.

You claim Peyton had a great team because they were 12-4 but couldn't win championships because Peyton didn't elevate them to it.

Fine. I'll claim that the Patriots were already a championship team during that 4 year period and Brady didn't elevate them.

I've got perennial 11 win seasons with a 2-14 season for Indy without Peyton and perennial 11 win seasons with another 11 win season without Brady for New England to show that Peyton VASTLY improved his team and Brady didn't.

You have "Super bowl rings" because that's the simplest thing you can wrap your head around when it comes to judging a single player in a team sport.

The Pats wouldn't have three Super Bowl rings with Drew Bledsoe. The Colts also went 2-14 with Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky. Matt Cassel isn't the greatest, but he's 10x better than those two. The Colts also had half their team on the IR before the bye week. Peyton wouldn't have taken that team to the playoffs if he played. Nobody could have.

[#1-norm-fan]

I was actually just proving a point that his judging QBs by how much they improve their team and then claiming "but Peyton's team was already good" by telling me their record WITH PEYTON at the helm was bias because I knew he wouldn't agree when I applied it to Brady.

I do think Peyton would have lead them to the playoffs that year though. He's done it with practically no defense or running game time and time again. He's proven he doesn't really need either to at least get to the playoffs.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dude, they were an awful team. Soooo many injuries on both sides of the ball, plus a lame duck coach. The Colts would have struggled to get to 6 wins with Peyton.

[Krimzon7]

Edgarin James was a lock for 1,000 yard every year. Dwight Freeney could be counted on to be a top sack artist during the Colts run. Robert Mathis i think, was the other d end that was a pro bowler year in and yesr out. Mannings defense was not top 5, but they werent ranked in the bottom half. The fact that you moan and groan that 'peyton never had a running game/defense' speaks to your general ignorance of the game.

[Krimzon7]

If you put peyton in New England, they would not have 3 super bowl titles. If you put brady in indy, they would.

[Bad News Gertner]

Brady won 2 Super Bowls with Antowain Smith as their starting Running Back, and one year I'm pretty sure he didn't break 700 yards lol.

[DaveBrawl]

How does Bronco Nation really feel about Elway? He seems to have an ego about him, a 'I wanna do this MY way' type of thing about him.

I like the defense, the Line backers are friggin sick. What do you think is the most glaring need? I'm thinking that Cornerback is a must have right now. Depth at pass rusher seems like a priority. Of course the elephant in the room is the health of QB18. If/when he can't do it anymore, what is the contingency? Should Denver gamble and get a qb to groom? Is Brock the QBOTF? there are some questions that Elway has to answer, and in short order.

Pretty sure John Elway will always get a free pass for anything or at least unless they go through a few more games like that. He does come across as arrogant, but what he did as a player, signing Peyton Manning and putting together a roster that got to the Super Bowl gained him so much rope he's really going to have to do a lot to hang himself.

I agree with you though the LB's are pretty good, but the secondary has been garbage for years save like the last 3 or 4 games before last night. It's like Chris Harris and then some bodies back there. The pass rush needs to be addressed, they managed to do ok this season but it is far from a championship caliber defense. Plus it would be nice if they ever covered the middle of the field. Check the Dallas and first NE games. The TE is practically wide open every time. Romo and Whitten looked like Aikman and Novacek in that game and that comes down to coaching, which lets just say I've never been a big John Fox fan.

The biggest need on that team on offense is a running game. I grew up watching the Joe Gibbs Redskins with the Hogs so to me that's what a football team should look like and that's what Seattle did last night and what the Giants did to beat the pass happy Patriots. Denver seems to run the same draw play every time they attempt to run the ball and they don't have anyone capable of doing anything more than 2 or 3 yards a gain when they play a solid defense. And that starts at the line too. They are great at pass blocking, but they are not that good as run blockers. They are so one dimensional as an offense it's sad. No team has a chance to win when they put that much pressure on one player to win no matter how good he is. Think about the Pats when did they won, when they had guys to help Brady. He didn't have to do it all. They might not have been stars, but they were solid contributors. The year the Colts won, they ran the ball 40 times and passed 38. Last night 14 carries to 49 passes. Seattle 29 carries to 26 passes.

Like someone said they need someone that can get separation from the DB's. Welker and Decker and great slot receivers, but Wes is starting to get up there in age and D Thomas, aside from trying to turn a simple needed 7 yards into 40 and getting only 4 because of that, could be that guy but he will need some help because he's the only one able to do that.

[DaveBrawl]

If you put peyton in New England, they would not have 3 super bowl titles. If you put brady in indy, they would.

I disagree there. I don't think anyone was winning with those Indy teams. Their "names" might have been better, but they guys no one knows really weren't.

Plus Peyton Manning with Bill Belichick as his coach would be amazing to watch.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Peyton was overpaid in Indy making it impossible to make moves to have a great team around him.

[DaveBrawl]

Brady won 2 Super Bowls with Antowain Smith as their starting Running Back, and one year I'm pretty sure he didn't break 700 yards lol.

He averaged a little over 5 yards a carry in the Rams game though. He outperformed Marshall Faulk.

3 Pats wins:
XXXVI - 27 passes - 18 runs Rams - 44 passes - 17 runs
XXXVIII - 48 passes - 32 runs Panthers - 33 passes - 16 runs
XXXIX - 33 passes - 26 runs Eagles - 51 passes - 15 runs

2 Pats losses:
XLII - 48 passes - 15 runs Giants - 34 passes - 23 runs
XLVI - 41 passes - 10 runs Giants - 40 passes - 26 runs

I know panicing in the end and trying to play catchup skews these stats some, but still some of these numbers are outrageous. I love Donovan, but a 51/15 ratio is ridiculous.

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Heisenberg]

I'm still stunned after watching that clinic last night, damn

[Krimzon7]

Outside of me kicking Peyton while he's down, I found that game quite enjoyable. I love to see good, physical defense. No frills, press coverage, and aggressive pass rushing/run stopping. The Tackle that #41 made on Decker( i think) where he split a double team and just drove that dude into the dirt...Fucking put me over the top. Wish Browner wasn't suspended, he would have decapitated somebody.

[DaveBrawl]

I love that too, shame it's so hard to find anymore. Even bigger shame my team was on the other side of it. :'(

Last night to me was a perfect example of what style the NFL wants to win versus the style that always has won. The style that made football so great until they regulate it away.

[DaveBrawl]

I also miss the fullback position which is another position Denver refuses to utilize. My high school didn't have a football team until long after I had graduated, but that and linebacker were always the positions I wanted to play.

[Krimzon7]

I love that too, shame it's so hard to find anymore. Even bigger shame my team was on the other side of it. :'(

Last night to me was a perfect example of what style the NFL wants to win versus the style that always has won. The style that made football so great until they regulate it away.

Well put. In an era of Fantasy Football, Television Contracts, and the growing global appeal of the NFL, it seems that Dumbass Goddell and company want to make football exciting(which means he is catering to the sycophants such as WWE Fan). He wants more passing, and is devaluing defense and special teams, blaming it on growing 'concern for player safety' and wanting to increase the pace and excitability of the game. He can fuck right off with that, and The Seahawks, 49er's, Bengals(you know I had to throw the Orange and Black Sack Attack in here) Defenses won't go quietly into the night.

[Krimzon7]

Getting dangerously close to giving you all the rep I can today Mr. Brawl.

[#1-norm-fan]

Edgarin James was a lock for 1,000 yard every year. Dwight Freeney could be counted on to be a top sack artist during the Colts run. Robert Mathis i think, was the other d end that was a pro bowler year in and yesr out. Mannings defense was not top 5, but they werent ranked in the bottom half. The fact that you moan and groan that 'peyton never had a running game/defense' speaks to your general ignorance of the game.

lol. You still think 1,000 yards is the measure of great year for a running back. And even if it is, that LOCK for 1,000 yards every year... didn't get 1,000 yard every year. Some lock. lol Also, the defense WAS ranked in the bottom half most of his seasons.

You really should stop trying. You have a penchant for either flat out lying or not doing your research and then backtracking so I'll expect more of the same here. It's "The Bengals have the 2nd seed if they win this game!" and "Andy Dalton has as many playoff wins as Tony Romo" all over again. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Seriously, I can deal with differing opinions. Flat out lying to try to make a point and then backtracking or just stating demonstrably wrong shit as fact is where you go from ridiculous to fucking retarded. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

In an era of Fantasy Football, Television Contracts, and the growing global appeal of the NFL, it seems that Dumbass Goddell and company want to make football exciting(which means he is catering to the sycophants such as WWE Fan).

LOLwhat?

[#1-norm-fan]

Dude, they were an awful team. Soooo many injuries on both sides of the ball, plus a lame duck coach. The Colts would have struggled to get to 6 wins with Peyton.

They weren't that much worse the year before when Donald Brown led the team with less than 500 yards rushing and the defense ranked just 5 spots higher (which is actually a small drop off considering how much they had to be on the field with the Curtis Painter run offense going 3 and out constantly). And Peyton still lead them to a playoff berth.

[Nark Order]

Guys. The San Francisco 49ers are winning the Superbowl next year. Sigh. I have dreams.

[Nark Order]

I like Peyton Manning a whole lot. But he is a choke artist.

[Innovator]

I think Eli was having PTSD episodes of his 5 INT game against Seattle.

[Innovator]

New York Football Giants are 40-1 for the Superbowl. I LIKE THOSE ODDS.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gLxwz50uvXQ/Uu7Xtu5VrcI/AAAAAAAAB0A/Suw5psRhfwA/s1600/4.gif

it was over before it began

[ClockShot]

*sigh* The Morning After..........BY MAUREEN MCGOVERN. TAKE IT AWAY!

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I'm at a loss for words. I spared myself the agony and turned it off at halftime. Which apparently was a smart move on my part. The first snap pretty much set the tone for the entire game. We couldn't recover from that. Hell, I don't think I heard Peyton call out "Omaha" during the entire game. Which makes me wonder if they threw out the entire playbook just for this game. Or if it was so loud, Seattle's 12th Man couldn't let us hear it on our TV sets. Betcha if Denver played the game like it was a regular season game, the outcome could have been better. Hats off to Seattle, far and away the better team. Just wish Champ Bailey could have gotten his deserved Super Bowl ring.


As far as the offseason goes, keep all the offensive players around. But the defense needs a complete overhaul. Probably start with letting Jack Del Rio go. Our secondary sucks, and once the offense gets a sizeable lead, the defense gets sloppy and gives back all the points. (See Patriots game). I don't know who's out there for free agents, but we need a pretty good draft to get all the way back to the Super Bowl. I think Peyton & Co. pull it off again.

[Emperor Smeat]

Blowout or not, really enjoyed last night's game. Seattle's defense was amazing and vicious while Denver's at least kept the game close for half of it.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZJlPE7kLJD4/Uu75H643IsI/AAAAAAAAFjY/wn_kAW0o0yQ/s400/kers.gif



NFC West is going to be bringing heat for quite awhile. Rams have an incredibe draft ahead of them, the Niners will be contenders for quite some time, the Cardinals are only going to get better and they are already good, and the Seahawks are currently the best team in the NFL. Man.

Yeup.

[SammyG]

Well, fuck the NFL

[Droford]

Manning 'sQB rating was the lowest in a Super Bowl since Rex Grossman, which is probably why he at least has 1 Super Bowl ring.

[Nark Order]

Right there with you, Sammy. But the Seahawks are fucking good and it's going to be hard to deny from this point forward. But I hate them. So so very much.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't think Arizona is really anything to worry about though. They've got some good players but Carson Palmer is the type of QB who is gonna do well enough to keep his starting job but not really make them a legit threat.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Can't believe everyone is just glossing over the most important thing:

Tarvaris Jackson. Super Bowl winning quarterback.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Mother of God.

[#1-norm-fan]

Charlie Batch is a TWO TIME Super Bowl winning quarterback.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Jared Lorenzen has as many Super Bowl rings as Peyton Manning</font>

[CSL]

indoor football league star and all around pie king

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[RoXer]

Speaking of which, as I'm sure you've heard and is probably why you bring his name up...


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[RoXer]

oh damn, nice

[CSL]

lol look at his tubby little feet when he scrambles

[Droford]

Kornheiser says DC gets a Super Bowl..I can't see Fed Ex Field hosting a Super Bowl.

[RoXer]

Speaking of corn, Droford, which current MLB player's butt would most like to cornhole?

[#1-norm-fan]

<font color=goldenrod>Jared Lorenzen has as many Super Bowl rings as Peyton Manning</font>

And Rohan Davey has as many Super Bowl rings as Eli.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I forgot Rohan Davey existed.</font>

[Innovator]

HEFTY LEFTY!

[Triple A]

http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/03/here-are-over-1000-text-messages-that-richie-incognito-and-jonathan-martin-allegedly-exchanged/#sthash.0DX3EvWu.uxfs

"Here are Over 1,000 Text Messages That Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin Allegedly Exchanged"

http://i.imgur.com/ZLtrjFR.png

damn wtf

http://i.imgur.com/JyeFFVs.png

http://i.imgur.com/Gp8NFTS.png

[#1-norm-fan]

Fucking bizarre situation.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol @ "U have any pics of hot chicks" though.

[Krimzon7]

I feel bad for the level of trust that has been betrayed in this entire matter. Every locker room that I've been in, there was a level of trust and security in it. If you were low on the totem pole, you were subject to pranks and taking the piss until you stood up and put a stop to it. The second you did, people respected you for it, and the attention moved to the next person who needed a spine.

I hate it when people try to apply real world sensetivites to a place where barbarians go to 'let their hair down'. You would call somebody a pussy, twat, AIDS patient, et all in the office (or maybe you would)...but you don't go out and shove 300 pound men to the ground 100 time a day for 'practice' either.

I think that there is a bigger issue here and nobody is daring mention it, actually out of RESPECT for Martin.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bitches do NOT love aids

This Incognito character is pretty on point

[Krimzon7]

I'm gonna give McDonald bath salts & lock him in your house with a tranquilizer gun & a box of sand paper condoms....

how can any of these texts be taken as malicious??? Martin needs to own his shit.

[Krimzon7]

LOTS OF RANDOS LOTS OF HOOKS.

I love these messages.

[DaveBrawl]

I'm sure the practice squad tackle enjoys being drug into that mess.

[Krimzon7]

Mike Pouncey is the drug kingpin...Tootsies has a prostitute ring being ran out of it...and Incognito is a fucking maniac.

[Krimzon7]

Bitches do NOT love aids

This Incognito character is pretty on point

For whatever reason, this makes me thing of the Hangover.

Tigers do love pepper! They hate cinnamon.

[DaveBrawl]

Tootsies has a prostitute ring being ran out of it

Thought you meant the bar in Nashville at first. My mind was blown until I googled it.:lol:

[Krimzon7]

Thought you meant the bar in Nashville at first. My mind was blown until I googled it.:lol:

haha! Now I have to gGoogle the Bar in nashville

[Droford]

I had to laugh rewatching the 49ers/Ravens Super Bowl when with the game on the line, 2 minutes and change left, Crabtree came up empty not once, not twice... but three times on passes with goal to go.

[James Steele]

I had to laugh when the Ravens didn't even make the playoffs this year.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>2 years in a row now the defending SB champs didn't make it into the playoffs the following year. Almost impossible to imagine Seattle continuing that trend. It's a hard as shit division but Seattle is retaining the majority of its defense, so I'd be shocked if they don't at least get a Wild Card.</font>

[screech]

I had to laugh when the Ravens didn't even make the playoffs this year.

Almost as funny as the Cowboys not making the playoffs the last four years.

[James Steele]

I'm glad you find irrelevant teams (no matter how much I love them) hilarious. I am guessing you like making Cleveland Browns jokes too.

[Nark Order]

Everyone leave the Cleveland Browns out of this.

[screech]

I mostly ignore the Browns, actually.

I expected better from you.

[Nark Order]

Was not directed at you, Screech. You are lovely.

[screech]

I was responding to Steele, my good man.

[James Steele]

Fuck you all. Jerry Jones will die and I will laugh my way to multiple Super Bowl Champion Collector's Edition copies of Sports Illustrated along with a screenprinted football for only $19.99 plus shipping and handling.

[owenbrown]

hey dickheads, there is an offseason thread now you can post in.

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=125904

can we close this thread now? geez, the mods are really slipping lately.

[Droford]

I had to laugh when the Ravens didn't even make the playoffs this year.

The Ravens had a bad year and still Finished 8-8. New offensive coordinator, a good draft and they'll be back in the playoffs.

As for the seahawks, the NFC west is the strongest division in the league and a case could be made for each team to make the playoffs as even the Rams aren't that far off given their draft positioning through trades. The seahawks good news is they aren't going to get slammed to hard by free agency and retirements like the Ravens did.

[#1-norm-fan]

Ray Lewis needs to come back and retire again to give the Ravens a shot at another Super Bowl.

[screech]

The tearful speech makes any team a lock to win.

[Krimzon7]

hey dickheads, there is an offseason thread now you can post in.

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=125904

can we close this thread now? geez, the mods are really slipping lately.

YOU TELL THEM, Jackass Owenbrown! LOL, still laughing at that one.

[Kris P Lettus]

lol

lets boycott that thread and just continue to post in here

[Droford]

Seattle 17
Denver 3

You really think Denver will only score 3?

I know they've never won a Super Bowl wearing their orange jersey which they will be sporting as the "home team" Ironically enough, the 3 times they wore orange as the "home team" they only scored 10 points (27-10 to Dallas in Super Bowl XII, 42-10 to Washington in Super Bowl XXII and 55-10 to San Francisco in Super Bowl XXIV) so you'd think I'd go with that, but I'm sticking with the fact I like Seattle's defense and their chances of shutting down the Broncos offense. If the seahawks can pull of controlling time of possession on offense and their defense gets opportunistic turnovers, why not 3 points?

Pretty sure i was the only one that came close to predicting that butt whooping last year.

Trying to come up with something for this year lol