Chris Benoit found dead (From WWE.com)

[The Mackem]

When I read the headline I felt like someone had punched me in the stomach, it took the wind right out of me.



Just how I felt. I don't want to get into the ins and outs and whys and what nots, for now I'm having trouble grasping that Benoit and his wife and seven year old son are dead.

Sad day.

[KingofOldSchool]

Triple A,

where are you getting this Meltzer information? I'd really like to get any source of information right now...not really out of interest, but concern and a need for answers. I normally hate media coverage, but right now I wish they'd give me some answers. They don't seem to care much.

It's on the front page of the Wrestling Observer website.

[Triple A]

Triple A,

where are you getting this Meltzer information? I'd really like to get any source of information right now...not really out of interest, but concern and a need for answers. I normally hate media coverage, but right now I wish they'd give me some answers. They don't seem to care much.
wrestlingobserver.com

[Londoner]

^(the mackem) im pretty much over the deaths thereselves, just the fact that it happened freaks me out.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Does anyone know if TNA tape TNA Today days in advance or not?

Just wondering, because while Rhino is being interviewed he doesn't look right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-SjW1t4Bk

[Theo Dious]

I'm not being crass here, I'm serious... how can you tell if Rhino looks right or not, he always looks fucked up.

[James Steele]

Here is an article on ABC.com that had more information. I am really dreading the worst here:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3316319

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Wrestler Benoit Found Dead With Family

Authorities Await Autopsies in Deaths of Wrestler Chris Benoit, Wife, 7-Year-Old Son

By DEBBIE NEWBY

The Associated Press

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga.

Pro wrestler Chris Benoit canceled a pay-per-view appearance at the "Vengeance" event in Houston because of "personal reasons" a day before he, his wife and their 7-year-old son were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide.
Details of the deaths "are going to prove a little bizarre" when released to the public, Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Autopsies were scheduled Tuesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in DeKalb County.
Authorities were investigating the deaths at a secluded Fayette County home as a murder-suicide and were not seeking any suspects.
Investigators believe Benoit, (pronounced ben-WAH) killed his wife and son over the weekend and then himself sometime Monday. The bodies were found Monday afternoon in three different rooms of the house on Green Meadow Lane, in a subdivision off a gravel road about two miles from the Whitewater Country Club.
Ballard told The Associated Press a gun was not used in any of the deaths. But he declined to say how the three died.
"We're pretty sure we know, but we want to confirm it with the crime lab," Ballard said early Tuesday.
Fayette County Coroner C.J. Mowell did not return phone calls. The answering service for his funeral home said he was out of town.
World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."
Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope told WSB-TV that the three were found about 2:30 p.m., but he wouldn't release other details.
Stamford, Conn.-based WWE also said on its Web site it had been asked by authorities not to release further information on the deaths of Benoit, 40; his wife, Nancy, 43; and son, Daniel.
Benoit was born in Montreal. He was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles over his career. He was known by several names including "The Canadian Crippler."
<!-- page --> "WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the company said in a statement on its Web site.
Benoit had maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling.
The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast.
Benoit's wife managed several wrestlers and went by the stage name, "Woman," The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.
They met when her then-husband drew up a script that had them involved in a relationship as part of an ongoing story line on World Championship Wrestling, the newspaper said.
Benoit has two other children from a prior relationship.


Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures

[Chico]

Holy crap. Never expected anything like this to happen.

Chris Benoit was without a doubt one of the greatest wrestlers ever, capable of having a good match with anyone. He was never the best at interviews, but definitely made up for this with his in-ring ability.

I will always have respect for Chris Benoit the wrestler, but with all signs pointing to Benoit murdering his wife and son, it's become very difficult to have the same respect for Chris Benoit the man right now. It's quite unbelievable that so soon after Mr McMahon's "death" and investigation, there's a real-life "whodunnit" going on involving a member of the WWE community.

Love him or hate him, there's no doubt that Chris, Nancy and Daniel Benoit all left this world far too soon. My prayers go out to their family and friends.

[Jeritron]

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???

what in the blue hell could this be?
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[James Steele]

I hope that the result of the initial investigations are wrong (which is quite possible), but if this indeed true then I'll probably have a new range of thoughts on the situation. This has WWE behind the 8-ball because they tape ECW and SmackDown! tonight and if Chris Benoit did indeed kill his family then WWE has to choose between honoring a lost brother or celebrating a killer. Also, imagine how his friends and family feel. They lost a friend, a family, and now they have to accept the possibility that their friend or family member is a fucking murderer. I hope this is just a freak accident, but the fact is that Chris Benoit quite possibly had a demon that finally took control. That is not an excuse, but something causes a man to kill his family.

I don't know if we'll ever figure that out or not, but my sympathy are with the 2 children left without their father and step-mom and half-brother. A family left without 3 people they loved. A long list of people who are left without a friend. All those people have to deal with a tragedy that could forever change how they felt about someone they loved. That is more than salt on a wound...that is pouring acid on it. This directly affects so many people on a personal level that I feel selfish for even thinking about how it affects wrestling and its fans. I can only hope that Nancy and Daniel didn't suffer in their death. Rest in peace Nancy, Daniel, and hopefully I can say the same for Chris. I hope my memories and respect for Chris Benoit are not destoryed within the upcoming weeks. I hope we are all wrong. Like Chris Benoit's catchphrase said, "Prove me wrong."

[James Steele]

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what in the blue hell could this be?
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That is what I am afraid of. I really don't want to remember Benoit as a murderer, but it is looking like I will and that really is hard for guy who has been a Benoit mark since he was in 2nd grade.

[Theo Dious]

"going to prove a little bizzarre"

Who the fuck wrote this, Don West?

what in the blue hell could this be?


I have a horrible, horrible feeling about that, and I'm not even going to mention it unless I hear it from somewhere else first. Suffice it to say it has to do with

a gun was not used in any of the deaths. But he declined to say how the three died.

[Jeritron]

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[Theo Dious]

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I'm really afraid it's going to shift onto something that makes it hard for me to watch wrestling.

[Jeritron]

Human nature, I can't help but wonder and speculate as to what he did that is "bizarre". We know its not guns or knives, and I highly doubt any kind of blunt force or poisoning would be seen as 'bizarre' and be evident, yet pend a lab result....

This could get stranger, if at all possible.

[Theo Dious]

It's all speculation at this point.

[Jeritron]

I'm really afraid it's going to shift onto something that makes it hard for me to watch wrestling.

I know exactly what you mean....I'm already having a hard time with this as it is.

This is hardly a major concern, but I mentioned to a friend..What do you do when a former champion, royal rumble winner and wrestlemania main eventer goes Charles Manson? It's going to be very strange....I don't know if I'll ever be able to return to enjoying things as I once did, and thats a shame.
This isn't your average accident, suicide, drug overdose or old age/disease death tragedy.
This is quickly getting to the point where it's entering Stephen King territory. The Shining to be exact... only with one of the top stars and favorites ever, and in real life.

[Theo Dious]

Incidentally, doesn't Benoit have like 2 other kids? Where were/are they?

[James Steele]

I just hope Nancy and Daniel didn't die a painful death.

[Jeritron]

I was wondering the same thing. I just found out they were children from a previous relationship and not Nancy. They must live with their mother.

[James Steele]

Incidentally, doesn't Benoit have like 2 other kids? Where were/are they?
He had 2 other kids by his ex-wife and they were in Canada. I want to know how old they are, and I can only begin to try and assume what they are feeling.

[Theo Dious]

I hope neither of them knew what was happening.

[Jeritron]

He's 40 and he's been with Nancy for like over 10 years. So they must be at least teenagers, and could probably be up to and including 20 years old.

[Theo Dious]

I was wondering the same thing. I just found out they were children from a previous relationship and not Nancy. They must live with their mother.

I know very little about his personal life; I wasn't sure if he had been married previously, and before last night I'm not sure I knew that he was married to Woman (who I only vaguely remember from WCW anyways.) God, I feel so sorry for those 2 kids right now. :(

[James Steele]

I pray that somehow Chris didn't do this. This will drag not just his name, but this will be haunting his entire family for a long time. People will always ask and annoy his 2 other children and ex-wife. I can only imagine what his parents are feeling. I lost my sister in January of 2006, and that was something I am not "over" and probably never will be. Losing a brother,father,and possible a step-mother they might have been close to is unfathomable to me.

[Theo Dious]

I pray that somehow Chris didn't do this.

Me too, but Occam's Razor is pissing in my face on this one.

[James Steele]

I keep on asking myself what the hell can drive a man to do this, and then it hits me that I might not want to know. I have a good understanding of mental illnesses due to personal experiences, and I have a feeling something was wrong with Benoit mentally if he did this. There is no other explanation that would make any sense to me, but there is no sense in killing your wife and 7-year old child.

[Jeritron]

Any word on what time the autopsy results are coming in?

[James Steele]

Not any updates that I can find.

[James Steele]

I'd imagine in by this evening.

[Theo Dious]

I keep on asking myself what the hell can drive a man to do this, and then it hits me that I might not want to know. I have a good understanding of mental illnesses due to personal experiences, and I have a feeling something was wrong with Benoit mentally if he did this. There is no other explanation that would make any sense to me, but there is no sense in killing your wife and 7-year old child.

At first glance, you might say that it doesn't matter why he did it, that they're all dead, so what's the difference.

The difference is that while all three of them are dead, anyone who ever had any respect for him as a man, a wrestler, a father, anything, we don't want that respect to have to die too.

[Theo Dious]

I'd imagine in by this evening.

Possibly around noon, too, when the news cycles kind of spike.

I think the authorities have all the "whats," they just need the "whys."

[James Steele]

and "hows"

[Jeritron]

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the cause of death was caused by "instruments found at the scene"

which are, "very bizarre" and are "going to bring the whole wrestling world under scrutiny"

I can't really think of any possilibites that come to mind, that also would pend an autopsy....
I have suspicions, but I don't really want to venture guesses

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[Theo Dious]

and "hows"

Actually I would bet they have those too.

[Joe Kerr]

are we 100% sure he did this....I dont want to beleive that. Benoit was deffinatly in my top 5

[James Steele]

Actually I would bet they have those too.

but not 100% certainty.

[YOUR Hero]

These scenarios aren't new. Marital stress can turn to dispute, divorce. Sometimes in the highly emotional moments a person does things they'd never image they could do. Then they are left feeling they have to kill themselves for atonement. Clearly if all the reports are right, Benoit wasn't in his right mind. I doubt very much he expected to kill them.

[Londoner]

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the cause of death was caused by "instruments found at the scene"

which are, "very bizarre" and are "going to bring the whole wrestling world under scrutiny"

I can't really think of any possilibites that come to mind, that also would pend an autopsy....
I have suspicions, but I don't really want to venture guesses

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That worries me.

[Theo Dious]

100%? No, all we have are selective, less-than-half-full reports.

[CSL]

TMZ.com:

My second cousin is an officer with GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigations) and what he's heard in his circle is that Chirs Benoit's wife killed their son Daniel, called Chris and told him to rush home because of an emergency which is why he missed last Sunday's Vengeance PPV. Upon arriving home Benoit killed his wife in a rage for the death of his son and then killed himself Monday morning. His wife's body was found in the master bedroom, strangled with the cord from an alarm clock. The son's body was found in his room appearantly suffocated with a garbage bag. Chris then wrote a suicide note explaining what had happened, apologized to his family, his other children (from a seperate relationship), and his fans. He then fasioned a slip-knot noose from from rope taken from the garage and hung himself from the ballaster in the foyer of his suburban Atlanta home.

<font color=white>Now in this it says Benoit was in the foyer but we've since found out he was in the weight room.</font>

[James Steele]

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the cause of death was caused by "instruments found at the scene"

which are, "very bizarre" and are "going to bring the whole wrestling world under scrutiny"

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Did he kill them with a replica belt or something?

[Theo Dious]

Sometimes in the highly emotional moments a person does things they'd never image they could do. Then they are left feeling they have to kill themselves for atonement. Clearly if all the reports are right, Benoit wasn't in his right mind. I doubt very much he expected to kill them.

This is unusual though in that situations like this don't usually span an entire weekend. I don't want to speculate though.

[Xero]

TMZ.com:

My second cousin is an officer with GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigations) and what he's heard in his circle is that Chirs Benoit's wife killed their son Daniel, called Chris and told him to rush home because of an emergency which is why he missed last Sunday's Vengeance PPV. Upon arriving home Benoit killed his wife in a rage for the death of his son and then killed himself Monday morning. His wife's body was found in the master bedroom, strangled with the cord from an alarm clock. The son's body was found in his room appearantly suffocated with a garbage bag. Chris then wrote a suicide note explaining what had happened, apologized to his family, his other children (from a seperate relationship), and his fans. He then fasioned a slip-knot noose from from rope taken from the garage and hung himself from the ballaster in the foyer of his suburban Atlanta home.

<font color=white>Now in this it says Benoit was in the foyer but we've since found out he was in the weight room.</font>
God damn...

[TerranRich]

This entire situation has creeped me the fuck out. I'm not going to speculate, or pretend that I knew Benoit, but this was unexpected, to say the least.

[James Steele]

TMZ.com is a bullshit celeb site.

[Theo Dious]

<font color=white>Now in this it says Benoit was in the foyer but we've since found out he was in the weight room.</font>

Didn't they also say that his wife died first, on Saturday?

[Londoner]

CSL: Is that true?? Fucking hell.

[Theo Dious]

TMZ.com is a bullshit site.

Seriously, this whole "friend of a friend" thing is the classic urban legend template.

[TerranRich]

TMZ.com:

My second cousin is an officer with GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigations) and what he's heard in his circle is that Chirs Benoit's wife killed their son Daniel, called Chris and told him to rush home because of an emergency which is why he missed last Sunday's Vengeance PPV. Upon arriving home Benoit killed his wife in a rage for the death of his son and then killed himself Monday morning. His wife's body was found in the master bedroom, strangled with the cord from an alarm clock. The son's body was found in his room appearantly suffocated with a garbage bag. Chris then wrote a suicide note explaining what had happened, apologized to his family, his other children (from a seperate relationship), and his fans. He then fasioned a slip-knot noose from from rope taken from the garage and hung himself from the ballaster in the foyer of his suburban Atlanta home.

<font color=white>Now in this it says Benoit was in the foyer but we've since found out he was in the weight room.</font>

Real or not, this story makes the most sense out of them all. I could definitely see Benoit doing that out of rage. If this is true, it will be a huge relief. At least there would be a reason behind it, and it would mean he didn't kill his own son.

But until it's confirmed, it's still just another rumor.

[James Steele]

Didn't they also say that his wife died first, on Saturday?

I'd imagine they wouldn't know until the autopsies give them a more precise scientific time of death.

[311]

'If' that's true, my God.

Sounds like it might be one of those 'I heard from my friend's second cousin' stories.

[The Mackem]

Yeah could be wishful thinking from a wrestling fan.

[Theo Dious]

Real or not, this story makes the most sense out of them all. I could definitely see Benoit doing that out of rage. If this is true, it will be a huge relief. At least there would be a reason behind it, and it would mean he didn't kill his own son.

It would be a more comforting thought to his fans, but it's still speculation.

[Londoner]

God i hope that story is the truth, its the most positive thing ive heard today.

[CSL]

Yeah could be wishful thinking from a wrestling fan.

:y:

[Loose Cannon]

so fucked up

[Theo Dious]

God i hope that story is the truth, its the most positive thing ive heard today.

Man do you realize how sad that is?

[KingofOldSchool]

God, this feels like one big clusterfuck creepy ass game of Clue.

[Londoner]

Yes, i do.

[KingofOldSchool]

the cause of death was caused by "instruments found at the scene"

which are, "very bizarre" and are "going to bring the whole wrestling world under scrutiny"


Whenever I read that, I can't help but see a mental image of Benoit bashing Nancy over the head with one of his title belts.

Death by belt shot would be a bizarre twist to all of this. :-\

[Jeritron]

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[CSL]

From UKFF:

Keller's Audio Update

-He said it is being reported he suffocated his wife and son, perhaps a day apart. And then hung himself. Late Sunday night, he sent a strange text message to a person within the WWE. The police broke into the house at 2:30 pm today and found them in separate rooms.

-Vince called all the wrestlers backstage this afternoon for an emergency meeting. Wrestler were already bawling and crying. A longtime WWE wrestler said it was the most emotional state he's ever seen the wrestlers.

-There was a really uneasy feeling Sunday. Everybody felt something was wrong.

-One wrestler said "It was bound to happen". There was a strong suspicion backstage that Benoit did this right away. There was also a suspicion that Nancy had done it. They had a volatile relationship and everyone knew it.

-Hardly anybody backstage really knew Benoit. He had a very small inner circle that one time included Eddy Guerrero and recently included Chavo Guerrero. But even they had a certain psychological distance from Benoit. Everyone could tell that something wasn't right lately with Benoit.

-He said that he was a very nice and pleasant person to be around, but a person close to Benoit said that Chris had "snap potential".

-A lot of steroids were found in the Benoit household, and Benoit has had bouts with "roid rages". WWE may suffer publicly because of their unenforced "Wellness Policy".

<font color=white>Now I gotta admit, first thing I thought when I heard Benoit might have killed them was 'Can constant steroid abuse drive you this far?'

If so, and it turns out steroids could be related, my guess is pro wrestling could be in for a giant shitstorm.</font>

[James Steele]

God have mercy on Chris Benoit's soul.

[Theo Dious]

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

[St. Jimmy]

I... your son? How could anyone do that...

[CSL]

<font color=white>Toxicology reports will be at 1pm EST apparently.</font>

[Jeritron]

I just want to know who killed who and how it all went down...

[KingofOldSchool]

:nono:

[James Steele]

I don't know if I'd believe that report by UKFF. It is just some british wrestling forum.

[lort]

"going to bring the whole wrestling world under scrutiny"

I can't really think of any possilibites that come to mind, that also would pend an autopsy....
I have suspicions, but I don't really want to venture guesses


Makes me think of Roid Rage personally.

[311]

I hate to say this at this point, in this thread, but anyone who took one look at Chris Benoit could tell he was on the juice.

[James Steele]

WWE goes to Congress!

[KingofOldSchool]

<font color=white>Toxicology reports will be at 1pm EST apparently.</font>

:wtf:

Toxicology usually takes a couple of weeks to be conducted.

I'm sure you've got it confused with the autopsy.

[Jeritron]

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There's only two things that are for sure at this point...

..this whole thing is a tragedy
and the real victim is an innocent 7yr old boy, regardless of how it happened and who killed who and what went down.
There's no good answer to all of this...
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[Xero]

<font color=white>Now I gotta admit, first thing I thought when I heard Benoit might have killed them was 'Can constant steroid abuse drive you this far?'

If so, and it turns out steroids could be related, my guess is pro wrestling could be in for a giant shitstorm.</font>
Roid Rage was my first "Benoit Did It" thought...

[Theo Dious]

I hate to say this at this point, in this thread, but anyone who took one look at Chris Benoit could tell he was on the juice.

Last night I thought to myself "I don't know how much of a juicer he was."

Then I looked at the cover of his DVD and thought, "Fuck." :(

[Xero]

Really, really terrible. :nono:

[CSL]

:wtf:

Toxicology usually takes a couple of weeks to be conducted.

I'm sure you've got it confused with the autopsy.

<font color=white>Yeah, I was thinking that. Wrong wording me thinks.</font>

[KingofOldSchool]

I hate to say this at this point, in this thread, but anyone who took one look at Chris Benoit could tell he was on the juice.

I don't think anyone has really denied that he was on the juice.

But hell roid rage caused him to murder his family? :-\

If anything I would've taken Scott Steiner to do some shit like that before anyone else.

[FourFifty]

I'm not sure if I just woke up or if I just went to sleep. I've cried until my eyes burned, then felt nothing at all. I had dreams that seemed like reality, and this reality seems like a bad dream.

[311]

I don't think anyone has really denied that he was on the juice.

But hell roid rage caused him to murder his family? :-\

If anything I would've taken Scott Steiner to do some shit like that before anyone else.

I agree with you. If this is true, however, it again shows how much we don't know, in a place where we all think we know everything.

[CSL]

I don't know if I'd believe that report by UKFF. It is just some british wrestling forum.

<font color=white>Whoever posted it lifted it from somewhere else, just doesn't mention where so I put UKFF.</font>

[Theo Dious]

I'm not sure if I just woke up or if I just went to sleep. I've cried until my eyes burned, then felt nothing at all. I had dreams that seemed like reality, and this reality seems like a bad dream.

I drank most of a bottle of whiskey last night, and cried so hard at times that I couldn't breathe. I have the hangover of my life right now.

[KingofOldSchool]

I agree with you. If this is true, however, it again shows how much we don't know, in a place where we all think we know everything.

Just when we think we have all the answers, life changes the question.

[FourFifty]

I drank most of a bottle of whiskey last night, and cried so hard at times that I couldn't breathe. I have the hangover of my life right now.


.....Are you sure we're not the same person?

[Jeritron]

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It's strange to think that I was attending a TNA house show, joking about how much of a loose cannon Kurt Angle was and all that jazz, in a small room full of fans and well known wrestlers who knew Benoit and the family. And we were all sitting there enjoying wrestling, including my friend and I wondering who won the Punk/Benoit match.
And at the very time Benoit was in his house contemplating suicide with his dead family, unbenownst to all of us.

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[KingofOldSchool]

Life changes at a blink of an eye.

[Theo Dious]

.....Are you sure we're not the same person?

I'm really not sure of anything right now.

[Londoner]

Its weird i havent shown much emotion for this..i understand in my head how sad it is but i guess im used to it after Eddies death now, though i am dissapointed, ive learnt how you get over this i think, or maybe it just hasn't sunk in for me yet. I dunno, just in a detached from emotions state atm.

[Jeritron]

true that DT.

At this point I just want to know what happened. I'll go from there. I haven't known what to think. When I saw the graphic and saw that Benoit had died, and saw Vince out of kayfabe in tears, I became momentarily grief stricken. I began to well up, but when I found out it was foul play of some kind I couldn't help but put aside the grief and be overcome with confusion and the demand for answers...
Either way it'll take a while to come to terms with this as a fan

[KingofOldSchool]

true that DT.

At this point I just want to know what happened. I'll go from there. I haven't known what to think. When I saw the graphic and saw that Benoit had died, and saw Vince out of kayfabe in tears, I became momentarily grief stricken. I began to well up, but when I found out it was foul play of some kind I couldn't help but put aside the grief and be overcome with confusion and the demand for answers...
Either way it'll take a while to come to terms with this as a fan

I was in a state of disbelief and confusion the second I saw "Chris Benoit and his family found dead."

I teared up for a second last night during Punk's speech, but that was it.

[Jeritron]

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[Londoner]

Same here, i found out the minute i woke up, literally.

[Theo Dious]

I feel so sorry for Punk, as much as I don't care about him otherwise... he was probably backstage Sunday bitching about not getting to wrestle him and having to wrestle Nitro instead. Can we assume that Benoit was going to be given the ECW title Sunday?

[James Steele]

JBL and Tazz got me sniffling.

[Jeritron]

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[CSL]

Meltzer:

Dave@wrestlingobserver.com

The lack of an understandable explanation to the circumstances of the death of Chris, Nancy and Daniel Benoit has left virtually the entire wrestling community reeling.

Within WWE, the obvious questions and lack of answers are no different from fans and most of his long-time friends.

Vince McMahon was the inspiring general both to the wrestlers as well as the office staff all day yesterday. He held it together and was a rock of strength for much of the talent, which because of their admiration and in many cases love for Benoit, were saddened, perplexed and having an incredibly difficult time dealing with it.

Vince made the decision to run Smackdown and ECW tapings tonight without any angles or backstage storylines. The show will consist of straight wrestling matches and like last night, the original shows were scrapped. The attempt to put together a show was difficult because the crew and creative staff were said to be both emotionally and physically wrecked after yesterday.

The belief is they will brief viewers on what happened early in the show, and then product two low key shows of nothing but matches.

<font color=white>Makes sense.

Also, with all the bad things of the last 24 hours, we might at least see some stellar wrestling out of it :-\ </font>

[Jeritron]

I loved Joey Styles and Tazz's story about the car ride after the draft. They were talking about how they were marking out about getting to see Benoit compete on their show and getting to call it, and as a former wrestler and a longtime announcer they are both known to have a deep love for the business. It was just a true moment, especially when they said they had the talk during a car ride, which lovers of the business know of.

[KingofOldSchool]

I feel so sorry for Punk, as much as I don't care about him otherwise... he was probably backstage Sunday bitching about not getting to wrestle him and having to wrestle Nitro instead. Can we assume that Benoit was going to be given the ECW title Sunday?

I highly doubt he was bitching, in fact he was probably more worried about Benoit and his family than some wrestling match.

Punk has too much respect and admiration for Benoit not to.

[KingofOldSchool]

I really wouldn't mind seeing Chavo vs. MVP at the Smackdown tapings.

And then maybe Punk vs. Tommy Dreamer on ECW tonight.

[Londoner]

I feel sorry for ECW, cause i dunno what they're gonna do now.

[Jeritron]

I'm gonna be completely honest, I'm definitely going to watch tonight but as a fan and a human being I know I'm gonna have a hard time enjoying wrestling or thinking about anything else pertaining to it while watching it for a long time, if not always... it's truly a much different situation than Eddie or Owen...

[Dorkchop]

Vince made the decision to run Smackdown and ECW tapings tonight without any angles or backstage storylines. The show will consist of straight wrestling matches and like last night, the original shows were scrapped. The attempt to put together a show was difficult because the crew and creative staff were said to be both emotionally and physically wrecked after yesterday.

That's a really great idea. It'll be a nice little change for once.... to see just matches.

[James Steele]

Dean Malenko had me speechless. I don't know how he stayed to strong through his part.

[Theo Dious]

JBL and Tazz got me sniffling.

I noticed also when Eddie died, that JBL more than anyone else looks like a child when he's upset. Some guys look confused or scared, and some look like they're trying to keep from falling apart; JBL looks like a scared little boy who wants a hug from his mommy to make it better (and that is not meant as a shot at him either.)

[Innovator]

Yeah I was surprised Dean held together

[CSL]

<font color=white>All Benoit merchandise has been removed from WWE.com. As his name in the WMXX match listing. Considering WWE 'has more information' but was asked not to release it by the police, seems to confirm Benoit is guilty.</font>

<font color=white>Add to that Summerslam 2004. Also everything apart from the main story has now gone from the WWE homepage too.</font>

[KingofOldSchool]

I feel sorry for ECW, cause i dunno what they're gonna do now.

Try to continue on just like the Smackdown and Raw rosters?

[Jordan]

Wrestlers are fucked up, it hard life style, and I guess it doesn't attract savory characters like we want it too.

[Londoner]

Kings speech last night had me going come tot hink of it, talking about appreciating life more/taking nothing for granted and sending love to his family.

[KingofOldSchool]

Someone on another site had a real classy picture of the old "Victim of the Crossface" shirt with an image of Nacy on the front.

[Londoner]

Try to continue on just like the Smackdown and Raw rosters?


Yeah but there feels like there's a huge blackhole that's been opened in ECW even tho Benoit was there for one show, he was going to be a huge part of it.

[Mercury Bullet]

I'm glad they're giving the crew a break from reworking the storylines. I don't know what the hell to think about this whole situation still. It looks more and more like he did it, I'll wait on final judgement until they release everything from their investigation. I hope, if he did it, it was a mental health issue and was not himself. I DON'T however, consider drug abuse (i.e. roids) to be a mental health issue that can redeem him. Drug abuse is SELF INFLICTED. It would have to be something he had no control over to substantiate anything.

[Mercury Bullet]

But it sounds like he just snapped in the heat of the moment...

[Jeritron]

some people are unreal. I'm happy to have the TPWW community for all of this. Most people dont understand or care on the level we do. Again, I stress that we didn't know the people involved or directly effected, but it hits closer to us than most.
Everyone here seems to be on the same page as me, and very respectful. You guys are legit great.

[KingofOldSchool]

Yeah but there feels like there's a huge blackhole that's been opened in ECW even tho Benoit was there for one show, he was going to be a huge part of it.

But regardless Benoit had an impact on ALL of the wrestlers.

[BigDaddyCool]

During the interviews with Chavo and Dean last night, did any one get the feeling they knew more than they were letting on?

[Mercury Bullet]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but if steroids are involved, aside from the obvious destruction of his family, he has also dealt a swift blow to professional wrestling in general. In the US right now steroid investigations are running rampant through sports, and nobody has killed anybody because of it. NOW, you've got this kind of rogue-sport entertainment company that has no respect from the mass media anyway with a worker who snapped and killed his family under the influence of steriods. This could potentially destroy the WWE and professional wrestling altogether. At the very least it is going to have it severely punished and diminished, and set back a number of years.

[Jeritron]

CNN report was fucked up. The story seems to be picking up steam in terms of media attention...

[RP]

I love Benoit, but i have no respect for him if he killed his wife and kid. But if he did it with the Crippler Crossface...i dunno. I'd have to think about it.

[Mercury Bullet]

During the interviews with Chavo and Dean last night, did any one get the feeling they knew more than they were letting on?

Regal got me more than anybody. I dont remember his quote exactly but he was saying something like "I'm supposed to come out here and tell you what a wonderful guy Chris was. But, I can't really do that right now. All I can see is he was a hard worker, the hardest worker in this business. I can't say anything else". Malenko seemed to focus on his in-ring life rather than his personal life too.

[Mercury Bullet]

Chavo too, Chavo seemed that he knew what had happened, but was hoping beyond hope it wasn't true with how much he emphasized family, etc.

[Jeritron]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but if steroids are involved, aside from the obvious destruction of his family, he has also dealt a swift blow to professional wrestling in general. In the US right now steroid investigations are running rampant through sports, and nobody has killed anybody because of it. NOW, you've got this kind of rogue-sport entertainment company that has no respect from the mass media anyway with a worker who snapped and killed his family under the influence of steriods. This could potentially destroy the WWE and professional wrestling altogether. At the very least it is going to have it severely punished and diminished, and set back a number of years.

On a related, and unimportant note, this will probably effect the creative direction. I wouldn't be suprised to see larger "roided out" wrestlers de-emphasized or depushed in favor of a more natural look. Similar to what they went to with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels after the steroid scandal of the early 90s, before which names like Hogan, Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior were the image the product pushed.

[Theo Dious]

During the interviews with Chavo and Dean last night, did any one get the feeling they knew more than they were letting on?

Yeah, it goes with the whole "WWE.com has more information but can't release it now" deal. I think they knew then what we are being told now, in tiny pieces, and that it was hard for them to seperate what they should and shouldn't say. Austin, Stephanie, and Edge didn't have that same quality, and HHH only sort of did.

[Londoner]

Just saw an extended ssnews report,apparently he was popular around ssnews to, atleast they appreciate who he was.

[Jeritron]

Regal got me more than anybody. I dont remember his quote exactly but he was saying something like "I'm supposed to come out here and tell you what a wonderful guy Chris was. But, I can't really do that right now. All I can see is he was a hard worker, the hardest worker in this business. I can't say anything else". Malenko seemed to focus on his in-ring life rather than his personal life too.

Jesus. I missed that...That's heavy as hell, but I can't say he's wrong. To be honest, thats one of the many things I have been thinking. He's right...

[Lara Emily]

Chavo too, Chavo seemed that he knew what had happened, but was hoping beyond hope it wasn't true with how much he emphasized family, etc.

Definitely got that feeling with Chavo, I think he evem said Chris whatever happened or something like that

[BigDaddyCool]

Regal got me more than anybody. I dont remember his quote exactly but he was saying something like "I'm supposed to come out here and tell you what a wonderful guy Chris was. But, I can't really do that right now. All I can see is he was a hard worker, the hardest worker in this business. I can't say anything else".

Yeah, I was thinking that too.

That and people weren't crying the way they did with Eddie and Owen. There everyone was openly weeping and couldn't keep things together. Here, they were visably shaken, and sadden...but it wasn't the same.

[Mercury Bullet]

On a related, and unimportant note, this will probably effect the creative direction. I wouldn't be suprised to see larger "roided out" wrestlers de-emphasized or depushed in favor of a more natural look. Similar to what they went to with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels after the steroid scandal of the early 90s, before which names like Hogan, Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior were the image the product pushed.

Well, if the effect is limited to that then maybe Chris did us a favor. But I am really scared for professional wrestling right now with the state of steroids in sports in America.

[TerranRich]

Jeritron, you may be right about that. It might be good in a way to de-emphasize the roided workers.

Apparently Cena doesn't do steroids, so unfortunately he'd still be in the ME scene.

Sorry, had to make a joke to lighten the mood a little. :) No disrespect intended.

[CSL]

Regal got me more than anybody. I dont remember his quote exactly but he was saying something like "I'm supposed to come out here and tell you what a wonderful guy Chris was. But, I can't really do that right now. All I can see is he was a hard worker, the hardest worker in this business. I can't say anything else". Malenko seemed to focus on his in-ring life rather than his personal life too.

<font color=white>I missed Regal's speech. That's pretty bad.

I noticed how much Malenko mentioned his in ring stuff. Didn't really think much into it :-\

Chavo was a full on about how great he was though, in ring and out so fuck knows.</font>

[KingofOldSchool]

John Cena better get off the juice and QUICK.

[Dave Youell]

I haven’t seen the show yet, but I’m a bit confused about why they had CM Punk talk about him, but didn’t try to get some words from someone like Rey

No disrespect to Punk or anything, but they had only been on the same show for 2 weeks, Rey had known him for 15 years

[Impeccable]

Regal got me more than anybody. I dont remember his quote exactly but he was saying something like "I'm supposed to come out here and tell you what a wonderful guy Chris was. But, I can't really do that right now. All I can see is he was a hard worker, the hardest worker in this business. I can't say anything else". Malenko seemed to focus on his in-ring life rather than his personal life too.

That's the one that made me think "There's something not quite right here.".

[Jeritron]

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any links to the interviews, or just some run downs of the Chavo, Malenko, Edge and HHH interviews...I'd appreciate it.
I saw the rest.
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[KingofOldSchool]

Apparently Cena doesn't do steroids

Are you SURE about that?

[Mercury Bullet]

I totally didn't think about the possibility of murder-suicide until I heard Regal's speech. And I thought, "Jesus, I hope he didn't kill his family. He (regal) wouldn't even talk about his character."

[RP]

This is bizzare that all of a sudden the guy i've rooted for, for years is not such a great guy after all. There has to be more to this story. There has to be something that the wrestlers were aware of that built to this moment. This didnt just happen. I truely doubt this was roid rage. Judging by some of the comments last night like Regals. It seems to me that maybe Benoit wasnt a good guy and everyone around him knew it but we didnt. Who knows. This is nuts. I've actually gotten over the initial shock of my favorite wrestler being dead and now i'm really curious what the fuck happend and what led to this.

[Theo Dious]

I haven’t seen the show yet, but I’m a bit confused about why they had CM Punk talk about him, but didn’t try to get some words from someone like Rey

Rey might not have wanted to. Punk might have requested it, since like he said, he felt bad about what happened Sunday.

God, I feel sorry for Nitro right now. He just became a World Champion on the back of this horrifying turn of events. How shitty must that feel.

[Impeccable]

I haven’t seen the show yet, but I’m a bit confused about why they had CM Punk talk about him, but didn’t try to get some words from someone like Rey

I thought about this too. The only logical conclusion I came to was that everyone was already there for the three hour raw except inactive wrestlers, etc. If, and that's a big if, we have another benoit tribute, I would think the other guys would record something then.

[KingofOldSchool]

I haven’t seen the show yet, but I’m a bit confused about why they had CM Punk talk about him, but didn’t try to get some words from someone like Rey

No disrespect to Punk or anything, but they had only been on the same show for 2 weeks, Rey had known him for 15 years

Well I doubt Rey was at the event and they couldn't get a camera crew to Rey in that short of a time.

Plus Punk was probably the guy who looked up to Benoit the most out of all of the young guys in ECW and they needed someone from the current ECW to talk.

[Theo Dious]

Can someone let me know what HHH said?

He said Benoit was a great worker who valued respect above anything else, that he once hazed the hell out of a guy for disrespecting HBK, and that the WMXX match was one of his favorite moments of his (HHHs) career.

[Mercury Bullet]

Yeh, I'm past my initial disbelief and shock. I want to know what happened. Because, at this point, it really seems that he did it. And he probably did. But why. Murder-suicides are not random acts of violence. I hope they wrap up the investigation ASAP and get the information out.

[Jeritron]

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[Mercury Bullet]

God, I feel sorry for Nitro right now. He just became a World Champion on the back of this horrifying turn of events. How shitty must that feel.

Yeh jesus.

*20 years from now*

"So, how did you win your first world title again?"

"Um, well, it was kind of an interesting story. I was a replacement for a guy who no-showed."

"Really? Why would he miss that?"

"Um...well, he killed himself and his family."

[CSL]

I haven’t seen the show yet, but I’m a bit confused about why they had CM Punk talk about him, but didn’t try to get some words from someone like Rey

No disrespect to Punk or anything, but they had only been on the same show for 2 weeks, Rey had known him for 15 years

<font color=white>They only had an hour or 2 to sort stuff by the sounds of it.</font>

[RP]

Yeh jesus.

*20 years from now*

"So, how did you win your first world title again?"

"Um, well, it was kind of an interesting story. I was a replacement for a guy who no-showed."

"Really? Why would he miss that?"

"Um...well, he killed himself and his family."


Pretty unique story if you ask me.

[Mercury Bullet]

Yeh, they found the bodies about 2:30 and had to go on air at 5:00 (in my time zone, pacific)

[Theo Dious]

When did this story hit the 'net anyways? I was on TPWW at 4 before I left work, and I don't have access at home atm.

[Jeritron]

Just because he was only on the same show for 2 weeks, didn't mean he didn't know him longer. He's been in the same business for years, and in the same promotion for 2 years.
CM Punk was a friend of Eddie Guerrero, so I don't see why he couldn't be a friend of Benoit.
There's more to the wrestling business than just what show you're on, guys know eachother who aren't even in the same promotion.

[CSL]

<font color=white>All Benoit merchandise has been removed from WWE.com. As his name in the WMXX match listing. Considering WWE 'has more information' but was asked not to release it by the police, seems to confirm Benoit is guilty.</font>

<font color=white>Summerslam 2004 doesn't even mention the World title match now. Everything apart from the main story has now gone from the WWE homepage too.</font>

[Mercury Bullet]

I don't know when this went online. This is how I found out...

Okay, I missed the very begining of Raw because me and my fiance we're watching True Lies. At 5:00 I told her to switch over to Raw (she actually watches too) and she said "We're not missing anything, you know they're just showing the limo explosion again". So we sat there for about 10 minutes and watched more of the movie. Then we flipped to Raw and caught a flash of the screen showing his picture and 1967-2007 on the screen as it went to comercial. My first thought was, "WTF? They just gonna start killing off the whole roster now? This is so stupid. I don't even want to watch this shit."

We have DVR with Dish Network, and out of curiosity I went and restarted the show and then said "Holy shit..."

[Theo Dious]

Yeah, all the retrospective, remembrance, and tribute oriented stuff. All gone.

I'm starting to really feel sick.

[Mercury Bullet]

The actions being taken by the WWE really make it seem like he just flipped out and killed everybody without a lot of reason. :(

[Theo Dious]

So, what now, are they going to delete him from history? That's pretty stupid. Hopefully they just want to rewrite everything involving him so that it doesn't seem like they're giving him too much praise.

[Londoner]

I'm starting to really feel sick.

Me to.

[James Steele]

Yeah, all the retrospective, remembrance, and tribute oriented stuff. All gone.

I'm starting to really feel sick.

Same here.

[BigDaddyCool]

I honestly feel numb right now.

[kaneundertaker]

this whole "bizarre" thing gets me.....wat if...and i know we shouldnt speculate too much, but what if he was playing with his boy (you know like wrestling moves and stuff) and there was a terrible accident. and he just lost it with Nancy after

just another thought.......

[Mercury Bullet]

I don't think they should edit him out of everything. Take down his merchandise though (T shirts and crap, maybe even dvd's exclusive to him) and I wouldn't hold any tribute shows after this. No "Benoit" armbands for everybody.

[BigDaddyCool]

To quote Don West, this is really bizarre.

[ChiefStubbs]

EDIT: Ok, seems I showed off what a clueless bastard I was.

[James Steele]

I wonder how WWE will handle this on TV. Will they not even mention him, will they bash him, or will they just say "tragedy".

[Theo Dious]

Wow, all the sudden WWE shows off what heartless bastards they are.

I don't think so, I just think they're covering their asses.

[Mercury Bullet]

Yeh, what are they doing that is so heartless?

[BigDaddyCool]

Wow, all the sudden WWE shows off what heartless bastards they are.

What, because they don't want to pay tribute to a murder? I know we don't have all the facts, but Benoit is now a murder. And I'm not sure what to think about WWE right now, but I don't think it is wrong what they have done.

[James Steele]

Wow, all the sudden WWE shows off what heartless bastards they are.

Benoit killed his wife and son. Who is a heartless bastard?

[Jeritron]

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[ChiefStubbs]

I don't think so, I just think they're covering their asses.
Then I guess my Benoit shirt is gonna become a collector's item.

[BigDaddyCool]

BTW, after Eddie died, they said WWE was on a death watch, and everyone assumed it was for Angle. Do you think it was actaully Benoit now?

[Theo Dious]

Really, I think that at the worst, Benoit's participation in old matches mentioned on WWE.com will be scaled down to simply "Oh yeah he won," rather than the "At WMXX Chris Benoit became a hero to millions by realizing his lifelong dream of becoming a World Champion in WWE, golly gee whiz what a guy, don't you just want to kiss him" kind of stuff that has been there.

[Mercury Bullet]

I think it would be more heartless to profit off of merchandise promoting a man who murdered his wife and small child.

[James Steele]

They changed the ECW.com page. It is all about Nitro.

[Theo Dious]

BTW, after Eddie died, they said WWE was on a death watch, and everyone assumed it was for Angle. Do you think it was actaully Benoit now?

I've since become convinced that they were talking about several guys at that time (Angle, Benoit, and Big Show being among them.)

[TheProfessional]

I don't know why everybody is saying that he is being edited out of WWE history. I'm looking at Wrestlemania XX results and his victory is still in. I'm looking at Summerslam 2004 and he is still there. His profile is still up on the ECW page as we speak. 75% of you just want to take any opportunity you can to shit on the WWE. If you owned a basketball team and one of your star players kills his family and then himself, you're not gonna plaster your team store with memorbillia. You recognize him for what he was and move on.

[Innovator]

They don't want to have it seem like they are trying to make a profit off of a suspected murderer. WWE is playing this the right way

[Jeritron]

WWE is not wrong in this. Only in the world of wrestling and it's dellusioned fans can a wrestler go into OJ land, and kill his family and STILL some will try to make Vince the bad guy in all of this....

pathetic really. I think they didn't want to believe it. As the shit began to hit the fan, things are beginning to change in terms of how they feel about him and how they handle his "legacy" and actions. Rightfully so.

I just now noticed, Vince was very careful in what he said to open the show. He paused when he said "one of the greatest....................WWE superstars of all time"
He didn't say greatest men, or greatest employees or anything he normally would have said about the man who people thought was Chris Benoit. Once again, rightfully so.

[James Steele]

Highspots.com is going to make big bucks off Benoit merch.

[Mercury Bullet]

Really, I think that at the worst, Benoit's participation in old matches mentioned on WWE.com will be scaled down to simply "Oh yeah he won," rather than the "At WMXX Chris Benoit became a hero to millions by realizing his lifelong dream of becoming a World Champion in WWE, golly gee whiz what a guy, don't you just want to kiss him" kind of stuff that has been there.

Yeh, they aren't going to whipe him from the record books. But anything he did is going to be greatly diminished. Like you said, WMXX is now just a title win and nothing more.

[BigDaddyCool]

I've since become convinced that they were talking about several guys at that time (Angle, Benoit, and Big Show being among them.)

Really, Bigshow? Why him, beside a possible wieght problem?

[Theo Dious]

I think it would be more heartless to profit off of merchandise promoting a man who murdered his wife and small child.

Also, can you imagine the nightmare if people would flock to WWE.com to snap up Benoit merchandise in his memory, and then the backlash that would ensue given that they've already admitted that they know things that the public doesn't, but have been asked to keep quiet about?

[Jeritron]

I have a couple of his action figures and an autographed photo in my house somewhere. I think they'll be moving to the county dump within the next 24 hours. Pains me to say, but no matter what he did in the ring or how well he once entertained me, no child murderer is or ever will be a legend or admirable talent or human being...

[Mercury Bullet]

I don't know why everybody is saying that he is being edited out of WWE history. I'm looking at Wrestlemania XX results and his victory is still in. I'm looking at Summerslam 2004 and he is still there. His profile is still up on the ECW page as we speak. 75% of you just want to take any opportunity you can to shit on the WWE. If you owned a basketball team and one of your star players kills his family and then himself, you're not gonna plaster your team store with memorbillia. You recognize him for what he was and move on.


Actually nobody is saying he is being edited out of history. In fact, I for one, said explicitly that he ISN'T going to be edited out of history. His major accomplishments are going to be diminished, and they should be. Nobody is shitting on the WWE. Again, I for one, applaud the action they are taking thus far and they are handling it the best that they can.

Did you even fucking read what has been posted?

[Theo Dious]

Really, Bigshow? Why him, beside a possible wieght problem?

Well if you remember when he left WWE, it was due to nagging injuries, plus the weight problem is always there for him. I know he wasn't a mainstream choice for a death watch candidate, but I always saw him that way. Big oversized guys, overwieght (for their size) or not, have a tendency to have heart attacks and stuff if they're active.

[Londoner]

^ (jeritron)We dunno that he murdered his son, the theory is his wife did and he murdered himself/his wife.

[RP]

So, what now, are they going to delete him from history? That's pretty stupid. Hopefully they just want to rewrite everything involving him so that it doesn't seem like they're giving him too much praise.


Unless they're trying to cover themselves legally somehow. Who knows.

[Jeritron]

I am pretty sure that theres no real coincidence in them using this picture on the WWE.com homepage above the headline. It's not the happy, flattering picture you would expect.



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[BigDaddyCool]

^ (jeritron)We dunno that he murdered his son, the theory is his wife did and he murdered himself/his wife.

Where is this coming from?

[Impeccable]

^ (jeritron)We dunno that he murdered his son, the theory is his wife did and he murdered himself/his wife.

Maybe this should read "there is a theory that his wife murdered his son".

I think WWE have handled this absolutely superbly.

[TheProfessional]

Actually nobody is saying he is being edited out of history. In fact, I for one, said explicitly that he ISN'T going to be edited out of history. His major accomplishments are going to be diminished, and they should be. Nobody is shitting on the WWE. Again, I for one, applaud the action they are taking thus far and they are handling it the best that they can.

Did you even fucking read what has been posted?

Hey Bro-Champ, are you even bothering reading what other people posted. The person I responded to said "OMG LIKE WEW TOOK CHRIS BENIOT OUT OF SUMMERSLAMZ 2K4." And secondly, I'm fucking agreeing with you. They are going to recognize him for what he was. I guess having 1100 posts on an internet wrestling board makes you ballsy, though. Congrats on that.

[Impeccable]

Better than they have handled other situations, at least.

[BigDaddyCool]

I am pretty sure that theres no real coincidence in them using this picture on the WWE.com homepage above the headline. It's not the happy, flattering picture you would expect.



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Yeah, I notice they changed it from the picture of him smiling last night, to that one this morning.

[Londoner]

Where is this coming from?

A couple of articles that have been posted in this thread.

[lort]

Raw website is back to "In Memory of Vince McMahon".

ECW is going to be so weird.

[RP]

This is a huge heel turn for Benoit. I hope he dont drop the ball.

[Londoner]

Raw website is back to "In Memory of Vince McMahon".

That's fucking retarded.

[BigDaddyCool]

Hey Bro-Champ, are you even bothering reading what other people posted. The person I responded to said "OMG LIKE WEW TOOK CHRIS BENIOT OUT OF SUMMERSLAMZ 2K4." And secondly, I'm fucking agreeing with you. They are going to recognize him for what he was. I guess having 1100 posts on an internet wrestling board makes you ballsy, though. Congrats on that.

Wow, settle down, there is no need for cussing.

[Theo Dious]

Raw website is back to "In Memory of Vince McMahon".

Acutally now it has Cena and Vengeance stuff.

[Mercury Bullet]

Hey Bro-Champ, are you even bothering reading what other people posted. The person I responded to said "OMG LIKE WEW TOOK CHRIS BENIOT OUT OF SUMMERSLAMZ 2K4." And secondly, I'm fucking agreeing with you. They are going to recognize him for what he was. I guess having 1100 posts on an internet wrestling board makes you ballsy, though. Congrats on that.


1) I think that person said they took him off the listings.
2) You said, that other people said, they we're going to edit him out of history. Nobody, NOBODY said that.
3) Yeh, I am ballsy enough to call someone out who is full of it.
4) 1100 posts has nothing to do with it. And if you haven't noticed, which I'm sure you haven't because you don't fucking read, 1100 posts is NOT that many vs. a lot of people around here. So don't try and play some angle that you're just a poor noob getting picked on by a spiteful vet.
5) Congrats on shutting the fuck up now.

[RP]

Benoit is totally coming out on ECW tonight and we'll be like wtf.

[Exyle]

On the topic of WWE merchandise, just an example for those who haven't searched through WWEShop.com. Judge for yourself. This is from the Wrestlemania XX DVD.

Madison Square Garden, New York City. WrestleMania returns to where it all began 20 years ago. The entire event is here. Seven championships are on the line, featuring Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle for the WWE Championship & Triple H defends his World Heavyweight Championship against Shawn Michaels. Plus, the reunited Rock 'n' Sock Connection...

[Jeritron]

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[BigDaddyCool]

1) I think that person said they took him off the listings.
2) You said, that other people said, they we're going to edit him out of history. Nobody, NOBODY said that.
3) Yeh, I am ballsy enough to call someone out who is full of it.
4) 1100 posts has nothing to do with it. And if you haven't noticed, which I'm sure you haven't because you don't fucking read, 1100 posts is NOT that many vs. a lot of people around here. So don't try and play some angle that you're just a poor noob getting picked on by a spiteful vet.
5) Congrats on shutting the fuck up now.


I'm a spiteful vet, I'll pick on the poor noob.

[Mercury Bullet]

I don't think they should edit him out of everything. Take down his merchandise though (T shirts and crap, maybe even dvd's exclusive to him) and I wouldn't hold any tribute shows after this. No "Benoit" armbands for everybody.

Summerslam 2004 doesn't even mention the World title match now. Everything apart from the main story has now gone from the WWE homepage too.

[Theo Dious]

Ahh, so he's being removed from the DVD sections. I though people were saying he was being taken out of results pages.

Yeah, that makes sense. Get his name off of anything you sell. I agree with that.

[KingofOldSchool]

Speaking of being low-lifes and trying to make a profit off of a tragedy.

Two wonderful morons from the world of eBay are auctioning off multiple Chris Benoit figures (ones that were just recently released) for a Buy It Now of only $49.99!

:roll:

[Jordan]

That picture of Benoit was used on Raw and WWE.com last night as well, he was never smiling.

Also I can't have ANY respect for Benoit now, he totally took his amazing legacy and threw it away, he deserves no memorial no tribute and no acknowledgment of his achievements.

[311]

I know I said this already, but Edge's one comment makes me feel really dismal at this point in time.

"I just don't understand things like this...and I don't think I ever will."

Or something along those lines.

[Theo Dious]

I'm a spiteful vet, I'll pick on the poor noob.

Tragic circumstances or no, he needs to learn sooner than later not to fuck with Kliq.

[Theo Dious]

That picture of Benoit was used on Raw and WWE.com last night as well, he was never smiling.

Also I can't have ANY respect for Benoit now, he totally took his amazing legacy and threw it away, he deserves no memorial no tribute and no acknowledgment of his achievements.

Can we PLEASE wait until we have official source confirmation before we send the guy to burn in hell?!

[Gray]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8bbTFGZ9UE&NR=1

There is several other ones which are up as well, from last nights Raw

[Mercury Bullet]

Don't mess with a foul-mooded MB

[Jordan]

Can we PLEASE wait until we have official source confirmation before we send the guy to burn in hell?!

No it is confirmed, im not a bitch, I won't waste my time.

[Cactus Sid]

Ahh, so he's being removed from the DVD sections. I though people were saying he was being taken out of results pages.

He has been taken off the results pages in the shop, if you search for Chris Benoit it comes up with "Search Results for discontinued"

[Theo Dious]

No it is confirmed, im not a bitch, I won't waste my time.

Remind me to have my lawyer object to you if you're even on my jury selection panel.

[BigDaddyCool]

Remind me to have my lawyer object to you if you're even on my jury selection panel.

Wait, aren't you black? I mean no offence, but unless you got OJ's deffence team, you are guilty.

[AJHayes]

Tragic circumstances or no, he needs to learn sooner than later not to fuck with Kliq.

Fuck The Kliq.

[Mercury Bullet]

not smart

[Theo Dious]

Wait, aren't you black? I mean no offence, but unless you got OJ's deffence team, you are guilty.

I AM OJ, BITCH!

Ok, I'm actually JO, but that's besides the point.

[311]

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[311]

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I hadn't watched Cena's because of my super smarkishness, but the first minute and a half are pretty telling.

[Blitz]

A couple of articles that have been posted in this thread.
By a couple of articles, you mean one posting from a celebrity gossip site that sounds like an urban legend, right?

Face facts. It really, really looks like he did it. I know no one wants to think of Benoit of a murderer, but that looks like that's what happened.

I gotta believe it was some sort of psychotic break. The stress of a marriage, combined with the stress of a very tough business, combined with probable steroid use. That would do it.

I don't know what to think. We still aren't completely sure what happened. But if it does turn out that he killed them, I want to know what happened before I totally condemn him.

[Sadistic]

Just saw on Fox News that they think Benoit murdered his wife and son then hanged himself.
This is fucked up.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Mental, Honestly gobsmacked. Benoit must have had some real problems

[Kalyx triaD]

He's a murderer, a child killer and apparently a coward. You can't snap over the weekend, he made conscience decisions especially in his child's regard.

Fucked up way to leave your legacy.

I'm done with the subject.

[BigDaddyCool]

Wow...

[311]

http://www.cnn.com/

With headlines that again, conflict with that. Then again, it IS Fox news. However, more sensationalist bullshit from CNN.

That being said, they're saying that triple homicide has 'not' been ruled out.

[Shaggy]

yea i just read that they believe that he strangled his wife....then suffacated his son in his own bed....then hung himself in his weight room....

Also its been noted now on several websites that WWE has pulled all Benoit merchandise from the shop zone....Now if you look it up it says that the search results were for "discontinued"....and he has been pulled from the Wrestlemania DVD info....Now it says that Triple H defends his title against Shawn Michaels....

Wow....WWE is changing alot of stuff around.

[Theo Dious]

He's a murderer, a child killer and apparently a coward. You can't snap over the weekend, he made conscience decisions especially in his child's regard.


Mmhmm, and you're a psychiatry professional, are you?

[James Steele]

All I really want is to know what happened before I make my final opinion of Chris Benoit.

[KingofOldSchool]

As of right now anyone can come up with any possible scenarios that involve Benoit being the last one to die.

It still doesn't change the fact that Benoit DID kill one if not BOTH of them.

It's just a matter of when, how, and why.

[Theo Dious]

they're saying that triple homicide has 'not' been ruled out.

And they'll keep saying it until there is an official statement made. It's a symptom of 24/7 news, they have to get you to keep watching/listening/reading.

[James Steele]

The autopsy report should be released tommorrow.

[lort]

Smart move by WWE by taking his name off merchandise, last thing they want is to be accused of making money out of this.

[Arnold HamNegger]

Holy mother of sick fucks! Supposedly he strangled his wife on Saturday, watched the Vengeance PPV WITH HIS SON on Sunday...THEN later suffocated his son in his bed that night! WHAT THE HELL!?!?!

I'm just numb by all of this and want to vomit. I can't believe this happened. I don't even know the words to say. His poor poor family and my God, that little boy. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[TGR]

Still in a state of shock and awe over this...DaveWadding actually told me the news over MSN.

this is heinous...and as much as I dont want to believe it, I cant help that feeling in my gut that this was Benoit's doing.

F*ck.

[Mercury Bullet]

I could see his wife killing their son, then herself. He comes home to them dead, kills himself.

Or, the wife killed him and his son.

But I think that is really stretching it. And if he was hung, suffocated, anything that required physical force, are you telling me she overpowered him and smothered him? Or beat him and then hung him?

[Theo Dious]

Holy mother of sick fucks! Supposedly he strangled his wife on Saturday, watched the Vengeance PPV WITH HIS SON on Sunday...THEN later suffocated his son in his bed that night! WHAT THE HELL!?!?!

If that turns out to be the case, it'll confirm in my mind that he couldn't have been in his right mind.

[Mercury Bullet]

Supposedly he strangled his wife on Saturday, watched the Vengeance PPV WITH HIS SON on Sunday...THEN later suffocated his son in his bed that night! WHAT THE HELL!?!?!


Dear god, yeh that is freakin' disturbing.

[KingofOldSchool]

Holy mother of sick fucks! Supposedly he strangled his wife on Saturday, watched the Vengeance PPV WITH HIS SON on Sunday...THEN later suffocated his son in his bed that night! WHAT THE HELL!?!?!


Where the fuck did you get that from?

[James Steele]

Holy mother of sick fucks! Supposedly he strangled his wife on Saturday, watched the Vengeance PPV WITH HIS SON on Sunday...THEN later suffocated his son in his bed that night! WHAT THE HELL!?!?!

I'm just numb by all of this and want to vomit. I can't believe this happened. I don't even know the words to say. His poor poor family and my God, that little boy. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Where you read that shit?

[Mercury Bullet]

MAYBE, him and his wife had been having a troubled relationship (to put it mildly) and he decided to kill her. So he kills her and hides her upstairs and plans on disposing of the body and trying to get away with it. So he stays home with his son like nothing is wrong. Then, the more and more he thinks about it, he realized he can't get away with it, kills his son and then himself.

But still, I gotta say, If I was in that situation. Something like I had become totally enraged with my wife and was homicidal and then I killed her. Thought it over, and then panic set in and wanted to kill myself. Even in that state of mind I don't know how somebody could kill their 7 year old son. I think I would send him to a friends house or something and kill myself while he was gone.

I don't know. Just sickening any way you look at it.

[RP]

I think the son did it all.

[James Steele]

I think the son did it all.

Classy as usual, RP. :y:

[Arnold HamNegger]

If that turns out to be the case, it'll confirm in my mind that he couldn't have been in his right mind.

Yeah, this sounds like a SEVERE psychotic break. Just mindblowing given the type of person that Benoit was credited as being up until this weekend. My God. I wonder if he left any letters or diary of some sort that can possibly give a glimpse into his state of mind.

What a horrible tragedy. Just disgusting. I can't possibly imagine what was going through his mind during all this. This obviously is not a sane man's actions. :nono:

[Mercury Bullet]

After watching Cena's again it sounds like he knew something too

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqkjzoLhtio

I don't know how to put them in a post

[Theo Dious]

I'm waiting for the conspiracy theories to crop up. The "Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain" flavored stuff.

[BigDaddyCool]

Truth be told, usually when a guy kills his family, it is with a weapon. When a woman kills her family it is posion or suffication. I'm not saying that it can't go either way. But it seems odd that Benoit would have do it that way when it is usually the other way around.